/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

Yet another lovely day to be a Mage, lads.

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tfw too intelligent to play non-Mages

You can't affect subatomic particles until rank 5

First for Burka supremacy.

So if you could create an 11th sphere of magic, what would it be?

If you were going to cut a sphere, which one?

So obviously if I use supernatural power to alter someone's mind and get them to fuck me, that's rape.

But if I use my powers to just make myself more charismatic or beautiful, and convince a person to fuck me using my newly improved abilities, that's not rape right?

>>55017577
Subatomic particles are matter, same as stone

Your powers are determined by rank, but the arcana don't differentiate between different types of the thing you're affecting

>>55017586
No. As long as they're making the choice, that's fine. They probably won't want to know you after the powers expire though.

>>55017586
It's all rape. Doesn't matter what you do.

>>55017586
It's even worse. That is catfishing

>>55017582
Sphere? We use arcana in these threads homeslice

>>55017577
Says who?
They're just another part of the universe.

Next thing you'll be saying you can't multiply the cosmological speed at which we are travelling through the universe (2,100,000 km/hr) with Forces 3, instantly atomising them with but one Potency in excess of Withstand.

>>55017586
I remember that argument.

>>55017626
Fortunately the Exarchs prevent such foolishness

All hail the Exarchs, the benevolent martyrs who gave their mortal lives to save use from silly buggers like you

>>55017586
No that's you making yourself more privileged and that's worse

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>>55017663

>>55017663
The Prophet a pure girl, every other Exarch a shit. Gatefags need not apply, it's just an abyssal intruder you morons.

>>55017709
Even the other Exarchs say she's one of them. The prettiest one.

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>>55017696
Mages might be the most powerful

But they do look a bit silly

>>55017586
Not rape, but still pretty sleazy. I mean, come on guy. Sleepers are innocent little dopes. Are you really going to use your phenomenal cosmic power to flirt them right into your bed?

I hate to bring kids into a sex metaphor, but it's like an adult manipulating a young child.

>>55017736
UNICYCLE.
TRUMPETS.

>>55017741
I wasn't specifically talking about Mages.

And since you mention kids:
>Mother May I
>It is a sickening thing, the succubus, a demon driven by Lust, yes, but often for a very damning purpose: to have a child. By stealing the semen of sleeping men, the succubus could impregnate herself with a child born of true sin. Here, the Possessed with this Vestment gains +3 Social rolls when dealing with children. They find the character very…parental. A dark irony, indeed.

>>55017741
>it's like an adult manipulating a young child who murders magic with its ignorant gaze
I don't see the problem

>>55017736
I hate practically every piece of Mage art I've ever seen, with only the mildly inoffensive ones and the rare good ones as exceptions.

A book for a game about "Modern Sorcery" shouldn't have a Jafar looking motherfucker sending somebody to the Phantom Zone with poorly done Nimbus details.

>>55017758
Sorry, I was put in the mind of a Mage argument about this very subject that happened almost a year ago.

>>55017785
>A book for a game about "Modern Sorcery" shouldn't have a Jafar looking motherfucker sending somebody to the Phantom Zone with poorly done Nimbus details.
Why do you hate fun anon?

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>>55017527
If mage is so good, why does it have shit art?

>>55017758
Possessed were nasty. A pride/wrath one could absolutely piss willpower while treating his attack rolls as rote actions. Hilarious. And I'm pretty sure the attack rolls were for agg-damage.

That book was really great, though. A nice take on the whole demon thing. Don't get me wrong, I like Demon: The Fallen, but Inferno really stepped up to the plate for CofD.

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>>55017785
You can eliminate Downs syndrome from Iceland but not from Mage the Awakening

>>55017785
>A book for a game about "Modern Sorcery" shouldn't have a Jafar looking motherfucker sending somebody to the Phantom Zone with poorly done Nimbus details.

It's like you don't even want yantra bonuses

>>55017758
So were they intending for that to come across as the luring kids into your van power or were they just being stupid

>>55017785
Agreed. His time would be better spent trying to kill the batman.

>>55017801
I meant to say "on the cover".

Don't know why I left that out.

>>55017818
Well, it's from Inferno, so not deliberately. It's just a bonus. This is the same book that let you shoot ketamene from your cock.

>>55017818
It's a Lust power, so I assume so

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>>55017838
>Cruel Ambrosia:
The character exudes a sweet,
fragrant milk from one of her orifces: usually the
mouth, though other more… unusual exits are possible. This milk is a drug that, when consumed, simulates the effects of a potent hallucinogen. In addition,
it’s addictive (see the Addiction Flaw, p. 218, World
of Darkness Rulebook).

>>55017758
What are Possessed?

>>55017785
It's a game about wizards, anon. Modern or not, wizardly attire is going to be a given.

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>>55017850
>lactation
>potentially even from breasts

>>55017852
Minor template. Possessed by a demon. Could gain 'investments' depending on their 'vices', which ran up to 3 dots. Some were pretty nasty. Like, a pride demon could give you 1/2 points of willpower every time you succeeded on a roll in your 'dominant sphere' - physical, mental or social skills. You'd lose it if you fucked the roll, sure, but another power let you turn that roll into a rote action for a specific skill. Or you could be invulnerable to harm as long as you were touched by the blood of an enemy from a Wrath demon. That sort of thing.

>>55017852
Characters who are possessed by a Demon, either by being taken over or from striking a pact with it for power.

They're in Inferno, an nWoD splat. These Demons are essentially spirits representing one of the 7 deadly sins, and Possessed get powers based on a 1-3 dot rating in each of those sins

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Best cover art for Awakening coming through.

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>>55017888
Same thing, but I prefer this one

>>55017852
They're like Sin-eaters but with demons instead of ghosts. Much like Sin-eaters they're absurdly broken if you build them right.

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>>55017870
>not making people drink your addictive demonic ass milk

>>55017893
Art style on that one reminds me of werewolf.

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Seers of the Throne has a very appropriate cover. Fucking creepy.

>>55017911
I think it's the same artist who did all those great Lodge illustrations.

>>55017931
>the exarchs are so bored they are pupeetering seers to pupeeter tiny people

>>55017931
No one is having fun in this pic and it's hilarious

>>55017943
"I'm watching my Sim watch TV"

>>55017943
I think only the Space Exarch does that.

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The only other cover art that really caught my eye. Also quite appropriate.

>>55017785
In general I agree with you, but it is the Silver Ladder book, they're the most orthodox of the lot. If anyone's going to be Jafar, it's a ladder.

Over the top goofy outfits still bother me less than everyone dressed like a punk or goth or what have you. What's wrong with a nice suit and tie?

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cute

>>55017858
It was my understanding such silly get-ups were only for Convocations and the like, and maybe if you have a particularly flamboyant Persona Yantra.

But come on, in my art I want to see Seers as beautiful high society people, wearing suits and dresses, some insanely beautiful because Life and no shame. Politicians who are infiltrating Fallen power structures with crazy rigged campaigns, etc. Not a bunch of creeps at a masquerade. Silver Ladder Mages should be likewise shown in positions of authority. They wrote the Lex Magica. Awakened law. One in a imposing (not ridiculous) wizardly get-up presiding over an official gathering or a trial would be great.

Barring the one from the Free Council book (not the one from the 2e core), I don't think a single piece of Mage art has come close to actually capturing what's outlined in the text.

>>55017966
Wasn't that the book that gave you the chance to swap your eyes for salt and become like a 4th degree master?

>>55017962
>What's wrong with a nice suit and tie?
Nothing

But the Supernal being all about symbolism, sorcerous clothing is mandatory at times.

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>>55017962
Exactly what is goofy about this refined gentleman?

>>55017979
Pure Sovereigns artwork is great for a 'casual' Silver Ladder person.

>>55017992
Is that one of those ipod knockoffs in his pocket? The one that had a clip-in HDD?

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I'm trying to learn how to dm vtm, any advice? first time playing wod, using the pdf now, just bought the 20th anniversary for $100 on drivethru rpg, did i dun goofed? I have so many questions about this game its all so confusing

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>>55017966
Sinister-chan is a classy lady.

>>55018011
>vtm
>20th anniversary for $100 on drivethru rpg

I have some bad news anon

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Best art.

>>55018011
First you'll need blood. Stab your players for blood. They will understand the need for atmosphere and props

>>55018009
God help us all, they re-used that picture in Left-Hand Path too.

>>55018011
Like what, question wise?
It's not CofD. Play feeding scenes, sure, but let the players feel like the big tough men they'll no doubt be playing. They shouldn't deal with 'just' a neighbourhood gang problem, they're dealing with a gang problem all over the city, because the apparatus which secretly controls them all is all over the city. And is probably another vampire.

>>55018016
>left-hand path
>right hand is glowing

>>55018045
That's her left hand anon

Do not question the exarchs

>>55018032
>colored hair skank
Don't talk to me or my wife's son's waifu ever again

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Mage is a sophisticated game for sophisticated minds

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>>55018056

>>55018045
So she must be distracting you from the evil talismans in her left hand dummy. You're never going to make it in this man's pylon at this rate!

>>55018065
She switched her left and right hands, it's an Abyssal Investment.

Do Sin eaters just naturally gravitate to each other or something?

>>55018053
All hair is colored.

I am running a forsaken game but my player complain that target number 8 is to high. They barely ever do damage in combat even agaisnt humans, except the rahu. Should i drop it to tn 7?

>>55017992
No socks, obviously.

>>55018071
They have ghost internet.

>>55018083
You aren't supposed to wear socks with flip-flops, it would be a faux pas.

>>55018071
They throw a lot of parties, so the community forms around them

>>55018079
No, just re-read the rules, and tell them to get gud.

>>55018095
>this kills the German

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>>55018027
I like hard covers ok? (I dun goofed upon further inspection)

>>55017980
Yeah, you get taken over by a dethroned Exarch or something.

DaveB's Broken Diamond actual play was a campaign run with that book. Cool stuff, worth a read.

>>55018114
Yeah, but if you stopped halfway through you kept the shiny arcana and were basically a vampire mage, just replace "Beast" with "Angry partial exarch".

>>55018131
Don't you also become incredibly obsessed with finishing the transformation though? Like you get a Destiny, and you feel like it's your destiny to become the host of the angry Exarch.

>>55018150
I think so, it's been a while. I guess if you finish the campaign but keep the bits.

>>55018056
Where the fuck is this from? Is all of 1ed just shitty archie comics?

>>55018199
Hahaha, it's from one of the Legacy books.
On the Thredonists, if I remember correctly.

Crazy Mages who think demons cause string theory.

>>55018199
>Is all of 1ed just shitty archie comics?
Basically, yes.

>>55018199
There's one fucking artist who's especially bad. Some of the art is okay but even the average is low.

>>55018242
I'm guessing he got so much mage work because, hey, the line developer had a sack of money he spent on drugs and this guy would work for a bottle of coke and tendies. Vampires and Werewolf got the good art. Bloodlines: The Hidden (And some of the later 1e books) were amazing.

>>55018099

What the rules gonna do? Everyone but the rahu are massively unlucky. After a string of constant failures 14 sesions in the elodoth charged in gauru against a group of ghouls with down and dirty combat (12 dice vs 5 from the ghouls) and he got no success vs 1 from the ghouls and now he is dead

>>55018276
If they're just that unlucky then start fudging for your players.

>>55018266
I think the workflow on these books means once they get their commissioned art delivered, it's too late to reject or substitute it. I still can't explain reusing Mr. ipod though.

>>55018276
They can't help luck. You can, however, fudge in their favor.
Or get them to burn their dice and get new ones.
Hope their bad luck goes with the old bunch.

Luck is a key aspect of the game, get used to it.

Can I use Life to turn my cat into a little dragon?

Do Beasts choose their horror or does it choose them?

>>55018418
Yes, but it'll still behave like a Cat, and it likely won't be able to fly unless you've designed it properly.

>>55018434
So my cat dragon won't be able to breathe fire?

>>55018418
1. Yes. Life 3.

2. It's who they were all along without knowing it.

>>55018418
My answer is befuddled by the clouds of time and Beast's contradictory fluff, but I believe that your soul projects deep into the Primordial Dream and then it gets snatched up and eaten by a Horror. So you don't choose.

But there's also probably a thing say you do choose.

>>55018444
Firebreathing might be difficult. Ingame, you should find a cryptid that breathes fire and research the phenomenon. Scales and wings would be easy since real animals have those.

>>55018469
Could I use Forces to give it fire breathing?

>>55018469
Or if you likey dragons so much, consider having a spirit familiar via merits.

>>55017618
I wasn't aware pedantry was a sphere one could master. I stand corrected.

>>55018476
Using Forces for that would be a tremendous pain in the ass. Matter would be easier, since you could give the animal a hypergolic combination of reactants that mix in its exhalations when it uses its breath attack.

Obviously this would be fucking dangerous for your cat.

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>>55017736
>Mages might be the most powerful
>But they do look a bit silly

That motherfucker from Silver Ladder looks like he has Prime 5 and/or Forces 5.

He can wear whatever he damn well wants, and no one can do anything about it. If he wants to impersonate an extra from Aladdin, who's going to stop him.

However, it's obvious that upon Awakening, all mages gain a terrible fashion sense. It's the terrible price of gaining cosmic power. It really should be reflected on the character sheet along with that free dot of Occult and High Speech.

Mages may be able to curbstomp every other splat, but vampires, changelings and even woofs (probably sans the Predator Kings) will die with so much more style and panache than the mage could ever hope to achieve.

>And, pants serive the Lie.

>>55018540
I'm still trying to think of a cabal name for those four. Gay egyptian warlock. Muscle jawa. Elderly cosplayer. Grorious nipponese businessman.

>>55018540
You're talking about Jafar. Jafar's not an extra. Jafar's a major character.

>>55018559
The Rejected Ascension Art Gang

>>55018559

You forgot the fifth member of the cabal in the foreground. He owns the sword, but is currently invisible. As he shares Swole Jawa's distaste for pants, if he wasn't invisible, the art wouldn't have been family friendly.

>>55018615
I just assumed the sword was Doctor Swordopolis, myself, and part of the cabal. Or some sort of extra-dimensional entity advisor.

>>55018540
>>55018615
Swole Jawa is actually wearing a thong.

You just can't see it.

>>55018630
Why would you wear an invisible thong?

>>55018623
No, the sword belongs to Safari Santa, depicted on the right.

>>55018559
>>55018601

A Cabal Theme of a superhero's rogues gallery is a perfectly appropriate use of the Merit.

I have no doubt that one day the cabal will succeed in killing the bat spirit that plagues them.

>>55018632
Support for your massive penis and balls.

>>55018632
It's not invisible. That old man cosplayer is blocking it with his arm.

>>55018648
Anon, please.

Soulcalibur is a member of the cabal in its own right.

>>55018653
Nobody swole ever had massive balls

>>55018630
>Why would you wear an invisible thong?

Because you can.

You're a goddamn Mage, who's going to stop you.

>The magical steroids really fucked with Swole Jawa's brain. It's best not to irritate him,

>>55018650
>superhero's rogues gallery is a perfectly appropriate use of the Merit.
Would the Rogues from the Flash comics be a an example of a Cabal where everyone had some connection to the arcana of Forces?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogues_(comics)

>>55018682
Life, bb.

>>55018686
>ould the Rogues from the Flash comics be a an example of a Cabal where everyone had some connection to the arcana of Forces?

They look more like Abyssal Gulmoth that manifested when a Forces Master unWisely choose not to contain a Paradox.

>>55017527
So I'm starting a (trigger warning) crossover game with (another trigger warning) mage and vampire. The thing is players dusted off their old characters and whole campaign is going to revolve around them travelling cross-states in search for a novice mage possessed by an powerful artifact.

I have it planned as mix of Simple Story+Twin Peaks+Carnivale+Fargo.

Can anyone toss some interesting NPCs, minor plot threads my way that would fit given setting. I'm not planning a lot of combat but I'm not adverse to it

>>55018706
I mean, you could probably spin some of the members as Mages...but I get the feeling Hyperintelligent gorillas and people from the 64th century would be kind of a poor fit.

>>55018740

Is the mage prepared to sit on his ass during daylight hours for the entire chronicle?

Any crossover with vampire just doesn't work,

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>>55018740
Have the Unholy start shadowing them. No reason, no malice. She's just curious.

In one town, toss in a minor bloodbather. But a really polite one. "It's almost that time, look, I've got a sack of money. Want to help out?"

Have pic attached sort of racing ahead of them and selling monorails, give them the opportunity to try and track him down.

>>55018767
We talked this over and a)both palyers won't always be available at the same time so we can do a split between day and night time b)I will probably ease out some of the rules regarding sunlight and daytime activity when I need to 3)Most of the activity during the game would take place at night anyway

>>55018770
Yeah this I like. I kinda need gallery of weird npcs and events they can follow and side track

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGscG86SZa0
Clearly this stuff is some sort of Idigam.

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>>55018813
That movie is fucking weird.

That said, I think The Thing could be used as an Idigam as well. Or an Abyssal monstrosity. Or a Life Mage gone wrong.

>>55018828
A Werewolf Chronicle inspired by The Thing would be kind of cool.

>>55018847
Seem's like the Thing could be a creation of Gifmalu Igizalag.

Not the Idigam itself, just one of it's random mashings of Flesh and Spirit.

>>55018114
>>55018150
That's what you get for fucking with an Exarch-like being (although if I remember correctly, it's not exactly an Exarch and only a specific person can do the ritual).

>tfw you could instead choose the other Exarch and fuck her instead
>the Dethroned Queen's avatar is a curvaceous nude woman who was a lover of one of the Cabal's mages in a past life.
She is a prime (Prime) waifu material.

So which Hunter conspiracies are infiltrated by the Monsters? Task Force Valkyrie is run by Vampires, and the Lucifuge are literally the sons of Satan. Cheiron group are super duper aliens. Who else?

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>>55019155
all of them

>>55019155
Valkyrie rackets old vampires to get more funds. Cheiron's are simply occult pharmacologists and corporate schmucks.

>>55017586
If you're rolling dice to resolve a social situation, it's rape.

What are ways that you, as a Mage, could hold another Mage captive? How does the Consilium hold prisoners?

>>55019246
I assume, maintained unconsciousness spells, inside spatially locked rooms, in secret locations, with powerful Wards and Sigils spells active.

They can't escape if they can't cast.
And people can't get them out if they can't breach the Wards.

Of course this won't hold against Exceptional Successes, but really that's the point of Mage.
Proactivity is more potent than reactivity.

>>55019278
>Of course this won't hold against Exceptional Successes

So you can't hold Masters then?

>>55019292
You can hold Masters, it's just harder.
You've got to give them no opportunity to cast.
Such as by keeping them unconscious 24/7, unable to form the structured thoughts needed to form an Imago.

But holding people against a dedicated Master of Space?
Pretty fucking hard, hombre.
You've got to essentially kill every sympathetic connection that they have, so that there's nothing the Master can use to target with.

>>55019292
Depends on what kind of Master, vs what kind of imprisonment you've got going on. But slip up and your ass is grass.

>>55019321
>You've got to essentially kill every sympathetic connection that they have, so that there's nothing the Master can use to target with.

Impossible. Space 5 flat out makes sympathy.
Unconsciousness is the way to go.

>>55019333
You've got to be able to target the subject that you want to create Sympathy to. You can't just sitting in a library somewhere read a passage talking about an ancient, ungodly powerful Artifact. Decide you want it. Create sympathy to it, then cast a sympathetic teleportation spell to bring it to you.

I mean, if the book has sympathy to the Artifacy, then there you go, you can borrow its sympathy and grab it. But that isn't that likely.

>>55019333
>Space 5 flat out makes sympathy.
But how could he get sympathy to a place outside the room if he can't cast a sympathetic spell to get that sympathy?

Checkmate, atheists.

>>55019333
But could a Mage proficient in Mind break out of unconsciousness?

>>55019321
>You've got to essentially kill every sympathetic connection that they have, so that there's nothing the Master can use to target with.
Behold the Crown of Vision o unworthy ones! Behold it and weep!

>>55019358
Not unless they'd prepared a countermeasure before.

>>55019352
Nah, I was more thinking create sympathy to teleport out of that ward. Then proceed to kill the bastards that tried to tether you down.

>>55019369
Well I'll be damned.
You don't fuck with the Panopticon, son.

>>55019383
Possible.
I mean, they could use Cut Threads continuously while in a Mastigos Demesne to sever each and every single sympathetic connection you have ever formed.
Leaving you with nothing to target your create sympathy spell on.

God, what an awful thing that would be to wake up to.
Master of Space, and yet you find yourself devoid of every single sympathetic link you have EVER formed.

>>55019403
Wouldn't that be a tedious endeavor? To constantly sever Sympathy just so the Master can't create new ones?

But I guess one can never be too careful, especially as a Mage. Make sure he doesn't get even a minute to himself, or he's gone.

>>55019433
I mean, you can't recreate sympathy unless you actually interact with something.

So if you sever every connection, then leave them in a solid steel container, trapped a few kilometers underground, with an unaging effect in place...

Then bar some very generous Break Boundary interpretations, or some other type of 'phasing' spell there's no way for them to escape with Space alone.

>>55019246
Temporal stutter then into the future, duration as long as needed.

Teleport them into a pocket realm that has no time.

>>55019445
That makes sense.

How long would it take the average dedicated Mage to reach Mastery in a single Arcanum?

>>55019246
Indefinite blasphemy spell to take care of any oddness in the region, lock them in a room with a pile of conditional fate spells based around dispellation. Supernal Dispellation on the room itself, indefinite.

Or just ask someone to drop a dynamics prime spell inside, if you can find an AM.

>>55019538
Anywhere from a year or two, to decades.
There's no way to ball-park it, given the lack of many canon characters and details about their advancement.

However remember that you've got to advance your Gnosis AND Arcana to 5, and in doing so are focusing on one Arcanum over every other advancement.
No rotes, no praxes, no legacy attainments.

Many Mages never reach Mastery.
Many don't need to.
The 4 dot practices are pretty incredible all on their own.

>>55019385
They should have reversed the order of the Prelacies in print, just for that look of horror it can give you. "Wow, crown of obligation. That's pretty cool. Seers have the best to-oh, wow. Nobody fucks with the Praetorians. That's amazing. But - jesus christ, the amount of mana you could hold! And spend! God is dead, and he is - what. Fuck the rest. All hail the Panopticon.

>>55019538
Depends on what you're doing. Say you're John Doe, Nameless Mage who awakened in the middle of fuck you, no mages hereville, USA. You wake up with.. 3 dots of spirit. Shit, pretend you're an Obrimos who has 1 in life, prime and forces, 3 dots of spirit. Local werewolves adopt you, and you spend your time indulging in murder and murder related activities. You'll probably be a master inside of 2-3 years, for Spirit, and possibly a 3rd degree adept just because of the necessities of the bullshit you've had to deal with in spending literally 3 years fighting for his life against extradimensional horrors. If John Doe awakened in an Order area, the ability to get on with his life would retard his development immensely.

>>55019538
Real time or time spent in quickened Astral Realms while the body lies in suspended animation during even such a relatively short voyage?
>looks again
Oh, an average Mage? Maybe five years or so if that's the only Arcanum they study, ten if they learn other Arcana to a lower degree of proficiency as Mages usually do (I have a bit of a problem interpreting the "average dedicated" part, though).

What are all of the Virtues and Vices?

Is Lust a meme Vice? Do most people take it because "My character's flaw is that they like to fuck a lot"?

>>55019548
If the guy giving up 5 exps per session is anything to go by, not very long.

>>55019589
The 1e ones are the 7 deadly sins and the 7 virtues. 2e it can be pretty much anything.

>>55019548
>>55019575
>>55019584
So one must cripple themselves and focus on one Arcanum.

Doesn't sound worth it.

>>55019589
In 2e they can be anything that's a better nature, and worse nature.

To actually get a benefit from them, you have to ultimately act in a way that is detrimental to yourself, in pursuit of that ideasl.

So getting high when you're supposed to be keeping watch? Triggers an 'Addictive' Vice.
But standing up to someone who tries to strong-arm you? Triggers your 'Indomitable' Virtue.

>>55019590
5 experiences per session is 25 beats, that's a LOT.

>>55019608
You don't really need to 'cripple' yourself.
It's just really pretty intensive.
Gnosis 3 is a must, and after that Adepthood, useful Merits and perhaps a popular Rote skill at 4-5 are all good goals to shoot for

>>55019608
Sure, if you're desperate to advance that fast. Your skills and stats would stay the same, but gnosis and arcana rating would increase.

Flip through Mage: ascension, Masters of the Art. It goes on and on about how archmasters are a pack of retards who'll never ascend, being stuck in a myopic trap. That's not quite so horrible in Awakening, but it's the same thing.

>>55019611
Right, right. So would Indulgence be a valid Vice? Like being able to resist everything but temptation.

>>55019637
Probably a bit too broad, and it might cripple you in game from having to spend willpower to avoid doing it.

>>55019627
Yes, well, magic in Ascension is far more grueling than Awakening. It takes centuries to reach Archmage status. They got lost in their pursuit of power to care about real deal Ascension, probably choosing to become Exemplars instead.

Anyone can Awaken in nuMage. The short amount of time it takes to become sufficiently powerful in Awakening makes up for the apparent age gaps in the Wise population.

>>55019646
Archmasters almost never ascend, actually. It goes on and on about how it's a big fat beartrap.

Huh. Just realised that Inoue from Dark Eras is the same one running roughshod over the local supernaturals in modern era Tokyo. Nice.

>>55019652
I already acknowledged such.

>>55019652
Thank God they ditched that part.
Ascension seems like a game that's both deeply dependant upon, and somewhat ashamed of the ludicrous power level of it's original proposition.

Revised disliked that so much they threw up a big wall of plot to justify not having to think about that stuff any more.

>>55019644
Then I suppose Gluttony would be better then? Overindulgence as opposed to just Indulgence.

>>55019671
Eh. Not so much, I think. THe power is deeply limited anywhere that it 'matters', and anywhere you don't need to worry about Paradox you're busy playing dickslap with minor divinities anyway. I like the way they did it - it doesn't seem like an asspull, and it fits with the setting's view on magic.
>>55019673
Sure. Try and tie it to something like that. Indulgence just seems a bit broad, with too many opportunities for it.

>>55019538
I think a better question would be how long would it take for an accomplished Master to discover the Threshold and become an Archmaster.

>>55019699
Varies. Most masters are happy to sit at the top of the foodchain for their entire lives. A dedicated one could do it in a few years at most.

>>55019699
Quite a long time, it's basically a second Awakening.
It's been discussed before, and basically the general agreement was that the youngest Archmaster would likely be in mid to late 30's. Given the difficulty first in achieving Mastery, then in growing so sick of Mastery that you seek and manage to achieve Archmastery.

Most would be mid to late 40's to late 60's when they achieve it.
Then after that, age becomes a non-issue, as they only age when in the Phenomenal World.

>>55019723
>Then after that, age becomes a non-issue, as they only age when in the Phenomenal World.

From this, I've always taken that the older an Archmage appears the more powerful they are, generally speaking.

To leave one's Golden Road enough to actually *visibly* age implies that they've seen a lot of shit. Quintessence and all.

>>55019155
Those Hippies from one of the supplements are literally the pawns of The Pure, and The Knights are inadvertently Abyssal worshipers.

I'm sure there are Wizened in Nul Mysterii, Vampires in Ashwood Abbey and a Promethean showing up to The Union meeting every Tuesday.

>>55018459
You mean life 4 right? Unless you get a 100 successes you won't be able to perform all the changes to turn a cat into a dragon

Do three Aegis Kai Doru members make sense for a major city if they work through patsies?

The books are super vague as to what constitutes a conspiracy and what kinda numbers they have, the Lucifuge only has 666 members which seems like it would be less than most compacts.

>>55020345
I think it's Potency, not successes, but that's all the same, so yeah, you need Life 4.

>>55020345
Oh Ascension, with your horrendously arbitrary success requirements.

Please go back to the 90s and stay there.

>>55017807
To keep the balance in the Universe.

>>55018459
Nah, Shapechange is Life 4. Life 3 can change only within boundaries of specie and age.

>>55019538
10 000 hours

>>55020421
If only I could, If only I could

>>55019553
I'm still miffed that we don't have decent potential Prelacies for the other 5+1 Exarchs.

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Why is Mage so amazing?

>>55020544
Oh yeah, I forgot that the Time Sphere shot any attempts to travel backwards in the foot.

>>55020549
Because DaveB designed it for insecure beta autist like yourself

>>55020608
Be nice

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>>55020608

>>55020346
I think it was mentioned somewhere anything 100+ is a Conspiracy, but then that would make groups like The Union strangely under-staffed

>>55020346
666 official members, hunters. A few thousand accountants, heavily armed support staff, engineers and foul tempered drivers, that sort of thing.

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>>55020608
I agree true Chads and Queen Bees play Beast

>>55018289

Cant, one of the players (the lucky rahu) insist on all rolls being visible.

Would it change much that a success is with 7 instead of 8?

>>55020745
What do the Seers think of Beasts?

I feel like the ones working for Raptor would love them to bits.

>>55020767
"Oh look, another piece of comparatively worthless Fallen detritus. Oh well, better either enslave it to do our will, or push it into conflict with our Pentacle enemies"

>>55020766
A bit, yeah.

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>>55020767
All mages love and want to be Beasts

>>55020787
>Oh well, better either enslave it to do our will, or push it into conflict with our Pentacle enemies
"Why can't we do both, it would kill two birds with one stone."

>>55020787
>>55020815
And this was how we got the Ministry of Predation and their assets.

>>55020852
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ministry of Predation, if it were at any point a Greater Ministry, actually HAD some form of monstrous Beast resource, like the Grigori, and Hive-Souls.

>>55020998
>ministry of predation

Fucking what?

>>55021033
The Raptor is the Exarch of Life.
She lies beyond the outskits of civilisation, terrifying sleepers with the thoughts of the nightmarish wilds that exist beyond their campfire.
The threat of nature keeps mankind docile, and subservient in their desire to seek safety in civilisation.
She puts man at odds with the nature he never truly left, convinces him that he is safer off away from it, separate.

>>55021033
Big group of Seers that follows the Raptor, Exarch of Life.

Think of the Ministries as similar to the Pentacle Orders, and things should make more sense.

>>55021109
Well, not a big group.
They ARE a Lesser Ministry.
Probably only a few dozen Seers who belong to the Raptor anywhere in the world at one time.

What is the best way to kill a fresh mummy as a demon? Preferably without going Loud since I haven't got the exploit that lets me summon it yet and don't want to blow my cover yet.

>>55021101
Hmm.

All this talk of other Greater Ministries makes me wonder what Nemesis has on his payroll.

>>55021229
Purified.

Is Welcome to Nightvale any good? My hunter game has been on hiatus for a while and partly it's just that i've not felt motivated in any fashion, and usually cool shit that gets the gears turning in my head helps

>>55021307
It's a little lolrandum, and there's a point where it'll get *really* tumblry, but the early parts? Yeah.

>>55021304
And Psychopomp following Seers would use Abmortals as hitmen, right?

They need to make a future setting where technology and ingenuity has risen up and allowed mankind to crush and subjugate the other supernaturals. With things like UV rounds, Silver nitrate bullets, Paradox grenades etc.

>>55021345
>Paradox Grenades

Good luck, every Acanthus in the world would go back to kill anyone getting close before they were ever born

>>55021312
I think it stays consistently listenable, I'm up to the mid 80s and it's still decent.

>>55021171
Fire. Lots of fire. Make it look like an accident.

>>55017527
Hi guys I am new. I want to create fan Legacy for all Non-Binary mage characters, based on Sleepers magcial practices. Around the globe, native cultures often have non-binary persona as rolę for magical practices or connection with Gods. See this article - http://www.teenvogue.com/story/gende...ound-the-world

Now, we will go into Legacy idea. I only want to mark I'm cis małe bisexual bear, so if I make wrong assumptions, point me where. We have official Dakasha Ldgacy, but they connection with Nazis is probkematic to some traditions.

My idea Legacy is called Two Spirits - name of Legacy is from Native American cultures, but it surely would work around the World. They would be Life/Mind Thyrsus mages, literally becoming other sex person. They would be mostly Nameless, but rise of Free Council and LGBT+ movement remade them in to centralized Libertine Legacy. So what do you think on this?

>>55021421
I think it's a great idea, and the OPP forums might be a little bit of a better idea for this sort of thing. Failing that, you could adapt the Lemurian Mystery Legacy from the Mysterium, who do almost the same thing with different cultural bells and whistles.

>>55021360
You honestly believe that if mankind gets smart enough to invent paradox grenades that they wouldnt have already though of countermeasures against acanthus time shenanigans?

>>55021466
Yes. Especially given that working with paradox is pretty much impossible. You literally forget it exists, after it fucks a new world hole in your brain.

>>55021466
So they'll go back and kill those people too. You can't beat a time traveller.

>>55021421
I think this is a painfully wrongheaded and one-note application of a fiction widget revolving around Awakened development in support of a theory of magic or magical theory, particularly given that having a Shadow Name of a different sex or gender is something that happens often enough without characters building an entire magical praxis around that quality alone.

You have Parent groups, Arcana, and an implicit idea for approximately one Attainment; nothing about this describes a doctrine or symbolset. There's no Legacy here. Get specific. Go more concrete.

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>>55021487
Yeah you can actually since mankind will have time police in the future to protect the temporal realm from irresponsible mages.

>>55021518
I'm really looking forward to the new 'satiation from swallowing: Sucking a dick for vampires" section.

>>55021518
>cucked

I want /pol/ to leave

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>>55021533
Oh, come on. At least *try* beyond 'nuh uh'.

>>55021312
>>55021388
That's what i was hearing, around 50-100 it starts to get more character driven instead of spooky town events related.

>>55021552
The pot calling the kettle black my friend

>Teiresian Metamorphosis:
>A qashmal with this Numen can change the gender of a living being (including a mage, but not a Promethean, vampire or werewolf). .....

>A qashmal can also use this Numen to join two humans together in one hermaphrodite being, a true rebis, wholly male and wholly female. In this case, roll once. Either individual or both get the option of contesting the qashmal’s roll. If either gets more successes than the qashmal, the Numen fails to work. .....

>A rebis is a single being with a single mind, an harmonious synthesis of both bodies and souls. He/she remembers both lives equally, without conflict. Rebises are smarter, better looking and healthier than their component parts.

>The rebis takes both sets of Attributes and Skills, using the higher every time. If one of the components of the rebis is a mage, the rebis still has all his or her Gnosis and Arcana. If both components are mages, the rebis uses the higher of the partners’ Gnosis and Arcana dots. If two mages joined as a rebis are of different Paths, the rebis keeps both Paths (meaning that the mage might now have as many as four Ruling Arcana and no Inferior Arcana).

Presumably this could also be used to convert two rebis into another super-rebis with 4 Paths, and then add in another mage for the final path

What would a Mage with all 10 arcana as ruling be like?

>>55021421
In real life, two-spirit orientation is a distinct identity within its own cultural framework. It's not really just another name for being non-binary, because non-binary identity is based on gender and sexuality models outside of that framework. In Canada, we now customarily include it alongside other identities, such as in the LGBTQ2 term.

So this Legacy is a mistake. It's kind of like creating a Legacy called "Lesbian."

>>55021587
>Presumably this could also be used to convert two rebis into another super-rebis with 4 Paths, and then add in another mage for the final path

Why does this sound like two Quasmal playing Gameline Yu-Gi-Oh?

I mean it's literally Polymerization.

God help us if they get powers based on Synchro and XYZ Summoning.

>>55021677

I mean XYZ summoning is just a sacrifice where the two or more sacrifices have to be the same level to summon something, and then the sacrifices power that thing. That sounds awfully world of darkness right out of the box. Just replace Level with some other similarity, like they have to be the same age or the same bloodline or some such.

Whens scion

>>55021421
>Hi guys I am new. I want to create fan Legacy for all Non-Binary mage characters, based on Sleepers magcial practices.

Wyrdhamster, you are very unlikely to get better responses on /wodg/ than the OPP forums.

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/1109648-2e-two-spirits-non-binary-gender-legacy

>>55017785
>he doesn't want to blitz his chakras

>>55021421
What blog did you copy paste this from? I bet it's not even fresh.

I have been away from VtM for the last 1,5/2 years, what has come out for it recently?

>>55021944
Nothing now go back to the 90s thot

I'm a black market merchant in the WoD, with a decent empire under my belt.

What do I traffic in? Got my start in magical artifacts, but Hunters are catching wind so I've downsized; aside from vampire blood and werewolf bones (snort that stuff and it'll make you go practically feral) what else can I offer?

>>55021955
If only! I'd look good in all black and leather.

>>55021971
Mummy relics

>>55021971
Trading in magical goods is a mugs game.

Modern Slavery is where the real money is. Same way those drug dealers switched from importing drugs to importing Lego - same profits with a fraction of the consequences if caught

>>55022006
>Modern Slavery

"Test Subjects"

FIFY

>>55022006
Not if you cut a deal with the Cheiron Group for protection, offering them first dibs.

>>55021886
The anon is Wyrdhamster and this is one of his usual annoying rants from OP forums that he couldn't help but repost here.

>>55022079
Do you think he is sincere about being a cis bisexual bear or is he trying to anger us?

>>55022079
He got told it was a bad idea on the opp forum, what on earth made him think he'd get a better response on 4chan?

So for those that have read the original story that the contagion chronicle idea comes from, what happened in that story? What kind of creatures showed up?

>>55022156
The sweet sweet (you)s, probably.

>>55021861
>>55022079
>>55022156

Have you considered that it is not the poster, but a crossboarder (most of you, aparently) who copied and pasted it specifically for the general's reaction? Cause that seems far more likely.

>>55022150
>>55022156
From what I've seen on the OP forums, he really is completely clueless about pretty much everything and needs constant reaffirmation of his every random idea. And his constant posting of emojis is insufferable.

>>55022259
So he's just like the people running the Gaurou Nation.

Well at least no one has actually died as result of his stupidity.

>>55021813

Not soon enough.

>>55022280

Your asshurt about werewolves is hilarious.

>>55022633
I'm not asshurt, I just find the stupidity of the Owod Woofs rather funny.

Seriously, its like watching a video of extreme idiots.

So I can easily imagine ways for the contagion to mess with the enemies for changelings, werewolves, Promethean.

But what about mages?
Do you think that magic will get corrupted? Strange abyssal entities will become corrupted? Corrupted seers?

>>55022835
case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2Uxb9sW4w

>>55022837
>Corrupted seers?
The Exarchs and Prelates were warped beyond what they normally are, upgrading from being a plague on humanity to becoming a danger to its existence as a species.

Only the pure Gate and her servants stand in their way.

>>55022837

I fully expect the Contagion to be specifically immune or resistant to supernal magic for... reasons

If Contagion is to a be a true crossover chronicle, OPP needs some way to "balance" splats like mages, demons and mummies.

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Post times you had to carry.
>party of DnD scrubs with no imagination
>big bad is a rank 5 tiger spirit
>idiot party members complaining about why their spells don't work
>time to shine
>combine life 4 and spirit 3 to become a badass spirit dragon and singlehandedly kicked the tiger's ass

>>55023208
Immune would be weird. But being spat out by realities infrastructure, and being a corruption of that, could make it resistant. Give it the deadpool mind reading excuse (for those that don't know, deadpool is resistant to mind reading because his brain is constantly dying to cancer and rebuilding itself, making it sort of constantly in flux.)

If something is constantly warping and changing, that could be a way to excuse it being resistant to magic that wants to lock on to what it is, without undermining the magic working if the mage successfully does lock it down.

>>55023375
Or the cause would be an external thing. Sure, it's originally matter, but the Contagion that caused that matter to be spawned takes it a few steps out from 'normal' matter, making it resistant.

>>55023375

My point was more that the Contagion would be uniquely resistant to supernal magic as a means of crossover balance.

If the new setting material reveals that the powers of ALL splats don't work quite right in the face of corrupted reality, that would be consistent and totally understandable. However, singling out mages (or any other individual splat) as little more than a means to nerf them would be disappointing and demonstrate an astounding lack of creativity .

Whatever OPP decides to do with the Contagion, I simply hope it doesn't have implications for the wider setting if groups choose to ultimately ignore or downplay it, and more importantly, it maintains verisimilitude.

>>55023514
Yeah, that could work too. Just making it that purview, but strange enough.

Plus, didn't someone say that the contagion was from another dimension? It could also be resistant because it isn't even connected to this universe.

The Contagion is starting to sound like Abyss 2.0.

>>55023562
I figure anything that made contagion resistant to control and manipulation would probably hurt everyone in some way.

>>55023587
Universe reset imminent. Clear up all dat clutter

Is the Vampire: The Requiem sheet on Roll20 fine for 2nd edition? Or is there any major differences between the 1st and 2nd edition sheets?

>>55023604
>I figure anything that made contagion resistant to control and manipulation would probably hurt everyone in some way.

If crossover is to work where every pc splat can shine, don't count on the Contagion to affect them all equally.

I believe the Contagion will be used not only as a means to force spats to work together, but balance them against one another.

In fact, the Contagion was probably was implemented as an idea after initial development on the original Crossover Chronicle within the current setting proved futile.

>>55023619
>Universe reset imminent. Clear up all dat clutter

CofD 2.0 (or nWOD 3.0)?

>Now with double the SwedeDracula edginess!

>>55023723
I don't understand why people keep talking as if the crossover chronicle was axed.

The contagion chronicle is just the name of the crossover chronicle.

Like how originally the 2e games were being named after their anthologies, but then OP realized calling them 2e was smarter, because no one wants to buy 'the idigam chronicles'.

>>55023587
Eh. I think if you look at the WoD universe it's a ball. Material plane at the centre, abyss wrapping that, supernal above that, then the 'third' realm is the skin of the ball.

The contagion is where someone's stuck a rotting mouse in to the ball.

I don't get Space 2's Ward suggested spell. Does it mean that anything supernatural only triggers the clash of wills, or does it mean that if I ward a window it just won't open unless I try to do it with telekinesis?

>>55022579
I don't know if getting the origins and hero books is going to make the wait for demigod and god better or even more painful

Honestly its the same with with trinity. I want aberrant dammit, I haven't had a good super hero system in fucking ages and mutants doesn't do it for me. Now I gotta wait for continuum and aeon though.

>>55023880
Ward locks space so you cant cast sympathetically at it, it doesnt stop a window from opening.

Note it says "magic that uses sympathy or attempts to warp the warded area" gets the clash"

>>55023880
Ward blocks scrying, teleport, any spells cast at the warded thing or anything in the warded area using spaces sympathy attainment.

>>55023984
And also any space spells cast at targets/area, your not using the warp spell on people inside a ward even when in sensory range. (spells that deal with changing sympathy might work as they dont really warp/bend space?)

>>55023828
>The contagion is where someone's stuck a rotting mouse in to the ball.

Sounds Lower Depth-y

>>55024100
Evidently, listening to DaveB on the OP forums, a lower depth lacks something that it uses the material to satisfy.

The contagion sounds, based on the original story that spawned it, like another dimension that is breaking in.

If you ever read marvel cosmic comics, think the Cancerverse.

>>55023932

Both would be a godsend. Especially Trinity.

Have you tried Marvel Heroic Roleplaying? Its Cortex system and pretty good. The only real complaint is that it expects you to play Marvel characters instead of making your own, but its not hard to homebrew them.

>>55023932

I'd rather they take their time and put together a system that at least functions, unlike Scion 1e.

>>55024197
Whats the original story that spawned the Cancer chronicle then?

>>55024339
I don't know. People talk about it being in one of the night horrors books. But I forgot which.

>>55024357
>People talk about it being in one of the night horrors books.

I thought it was from Hunter's Horror Recognition Guide

So nobody fucking knows and are all talking out their collective ass?

>>55024405
If you wants facts, don't ask for speculation on 4chan

>>55024440
The Contagion is a virus that causes everyone to turn into the opposite supernatural creatureto what they already are, as decided by the Storyteller's logic.

Screencap this.

>>55024565

Transcontagion?

>>55024565
What's the opposite of a Vampire?

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What is the best dark era and why is it Three Kingdoms. Romefags need not apply.

>>55024607
Werewolf. Duh. That's why they always fight.

r8 my relic, as wielded by a human big bad.

Tom’s Horn (O)

>Tom Horn, Jr. killed at least 17 people. Then again, Tom Horn, Jr. died in 1903.

A Colt Model 1905 Revolver. It shows no signs of its age but has sixty-eight nicks along the barrel and handle in groups of five. When held, it feels like a well-made toy.

The revolver weighs almost nothing and can be fired indefinitely without the need to load. If one opens the chamber it will contain rounds equaling the number of bullets fired, resetting to empty after the sixth bullet. The bullets fired exist as normal.

Damage: 2 Clip: / Initiative: 0 Strength: 1

>>55024565
I prefer an angle similar to the Anti-Dead of Earth-33

>>55024627
And the opposite of a Blood Bather?

>>55024704
A Changeling with the Wizened Seeming. Don't ask.

>>55024197
Or if you've played the game Secret World, featuring our Lady Kirsten Geary (A missed fucking opportunity for a Conspiracy leader if ever there was one), the Filth.

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>>55024619
The Sixth Age, of course. Fag.

>>55021421
Wow that's pretty culturally appropriating that you've turned part of the feather niggers spiritual experience into a splat to gratify your gender weirdness. We'll make a cartoon frog posting neo-nazi of you yet faggot-kun.

>>55024704
A woman menstruating blood that makes people better when they're splashed with it.

>>55024694
Ok it's relic. It's based on Tom Horn. Shouldn't be at least as old as Tom Horn an not from time only after his death?

>>55025244
The implication is that Tom didn't die in 1903 and killed way more people than the 17.

Thread is dying.

Ask me about my homebrew.

>>55025594
Nah m8, ask me about mine.

>>55024888
Cool the hostility

>>55025244
Aren't relics Mummy things? That seems more like a Geist memento or memorabilia.

>>55025697
What is your homebrew?

>>55025835

Relics are general objects of power that ended up getting centred around Mummy. There was a book on them way before Mummy, with possibly the best cover ever created for a White Wolf book.

>>55025835
IN Hunter 'Relics' is used for any magical artifact. Normally a severed head. C: >>55025923

>>55025594
Ok, what's your homebrew.

Question TG/Forsaken fags.

Whats the point of the Elodoth? I am running a Forsaken game and one of my player made an elodoth and he keeps bitching and Bitching on how they are useless.

And to a degree he is right, most of his gifts and focus seems to be on messing with the prey connections and contacts. Thing is i dont put many humans for them to hunt, its mostly Pure (Predators kings), Host and spirits.

Same with the whole judge aspect, the PC pack stick to their territory and doesnt meddle with other packs unless they come attacking thinking each pack is an island.

Question is, what are some of the best Elodoth in action you have played or seen?

>>55026909

Wait until someone needs to be calmed from a death rage, then your friendly neighborhood Elodoth is everyone's favorite woof.

>>55026909
Pure have connections too. They aren't just snarling beasts at all times. In fact they love to use humans, abuse them even, because they think they are superior. So pure will still have humans and wolf blooded in their packs that they are taking advantage of.

>>55026909

If you're not using human resources to assist in your hunts, you're wasting valuable resources and your Elodoth.

Get more creative.

>>55027252
>If you're not using human resources to assist in your hunts, you're wasting valuable resources and your Elodoth.
>Get more creative.

I was thinking more on the prey side of things. My players dont use their connections (and many have useless ones) so i am trying to figure it out how the elodoth abilities to disrupt connections can be used.

>>55026909
Don't listen to these idiots. Elodoth is useless and it's only purpose is to try and control death rage. Other than that they are useless unless the GM bends over backwards for them.

>>55027367

I am confuse on the oathbinding though, i though that the elodoth could pair up with the Ithaeur to force spirits into promises but all the fiction/setting i could find seems to indicate spirits, once they agree and get "paid", they seem bound to keep the letter of their word.

So oaths seems more like for humans/other urathas.

>>55027512

>>55027367

Not all hunts need be violent affairs. You can hunt for knowledge, secrets, and solutions to all sorts of problems. Elodoth shine in these scenarios.

Anons like you reinforce the notion that woofs' (and their players') response to everything amounts to repeated use of tooth and claw. It's really no wonder you the earlier Mage Kinetic Shield spell discussion was so triggering to so many Forsaken fans. It might have forced you to think outside the bounds of brute force.