Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1693:Summon Pants With the Gacha Edition

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>>55015227
Local Daughteru's Need Pants Badly

>>55015147
Man, that's even worse. Not being able to warp them was bad enough, but even portals won't work? That goes beyond "reasonable narrative limitations" and into absurdity. It's pretty much the equivalent of the airlock the hero throws the villain out of literally growing an arm and catching them. Not due to any ability or skill of the villain, but Deus ex Machina. If anything it's an anti-narrative clause.

>>55015227
>Discord
https://discordapp.com/invite/454MMUS

>>55015262
Please go away Echo.

Boogie Manimal
How strong is a week worth of charging Vs A Day Worth of shadow?

Fucking weebs.

>>55015239
She needs hugs more.

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>>55015239
I genuinely feel like they designed a normal outfit for her and then stole her pants later. Its ridiculous.

Can I see some Trigun builds?

An option to pay to choose for your first cheat in Generic Isekai? Very important for companions.

>>55015319
If by ridiculous, you mean fantastic, then yes.

Japan has taught us that the one thing you don't do is let little girls do is wear pants.

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So question time, I guess. Grand Order is coming along nciely (Got 4 perklines fluffed this morning, on track for finish a few days before end of the month) but I'm taking a break to work on something else so I don't get burnt out. Kakegurui is a reasonably short one but does bring up a question I'm curious about.

For a jump where there's only one origin (Student in the case of kakegurui), how do you feel about some tiers of perks (100s, 200s, 400s, etc you know what tiers are) having more options than others, given everyone can pick from the same pool? Do you like more choice being there? Prefer it to be condensed down to look neater? Wish hot dogs would only come with tomato sauce and not onion as well because of the mouth feel reduction?

Give us your thoughts.

>>55015300
muh master race

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>>55015300

>>55015331
Trigun
Location: Inepril
Age 27

Background: Lawman (Free)

Perks:
Shoot to maim (Free)
Angel on your shoulder (200)
Blank Ticket (300)
Ultimate Splendor (600)
Under the sky So Blue (400)
Never Ending Song (Free)
Basic Firearms Training (Free)

Items:
Bullets (Free)
Badge (Free)
Jumper's Saloon (300)

Drawbacks:
Killing spiders to save butterflies (+400)
Gung-Ho-Guns (+300)
Skirt chaser (+100)

Basic build. Nice Saloon.

>>55015244
They key phrase is "stronger than you", presumably in relation to that sort of thing. So opening a portal under a mile-high giant to dump them into outer space wouldn't be a problem, but trying the same with a mile-high Galactus isn't likely to work.

>>55015375
If there's a different amount of perks in every tier, shouldn't we get more or less choices for discount on those tiers to reflect it?

>>55015375
If it's like Bloodborne with the whole one origin and one discount per tier' thing them as long as each tier is balanced, and you don't have one tier with only one or two options it should be fine even if the tiers have different numbers of perks.

What's this setting about, anyway?

>>55015375
Honestly prefer hotdogs with cheese and spicy bbq sauce, maybe with some fries on top if I'm having them with it.

>>55015375
More isn't less, it's more.

Also hot dogs should have both.

>>55015410
It should work, it just won't matter because Galactus doesn't care about being in space.

>>55015421
Crazy students gambling.

>>55015417
Nah. Having more choices doesn't mean you get to pick more of those choices, just means you get more things to choose from. Like how having more than one perk tree doesn't automatically mean you get discounts on all the perk trees.

>>55015421
Oh yeah, all the tiers at least have 5 options, it's just that some go to 8 or 9 perks.

Gambling school. Prestigious academy where pretty much everything is decided by gambling. It's lots of fun. Great art, fun gambling events and funny characters.

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>>55014567
>You can still easily get multiple cheats, and you get four free companions with cheats of their own.
Ok, if cheats are 400 CP now, I'd remove the one cheat limit from companions.

I'd also make Races or Backgrounds relevant Cheats Discounted for them. (So they are the old 200 CP price) Everyone still get a free roll or choice of discounted cheat like before. This also helps cheats match your origins better.

>Protagonist's Luck
>Noble
I'd have Luck be the one that lets you pick the random cheat roll (since it is the one that actually makes you lucky), and Noble just give a discount on any cheat of choice (to represent the privileges of the privileged).

>Bag of Coins
a enough for a couple months food and lodging in a cheap Inn is not really a lot of money. I'd have it be replenish monthly instead of yearly. It's basically economy Room and Board.

Since you _are_ messing up builds, a bit higher drawback limit and a couple more drawback options would help smooth them out.

>>55015029
>The idea that you think your personal decision to post builds in thread matters to literally anyone is fucking hilarious.
Anon, talk about the Isekai Jump in the thread was basically nonexistent for the 5 days before I posted a review and then a jump build. And no one had a hard on for taking a NerfBat to the Cheat prices before then. Then I posted the Cheaty McCheaterson, Cheating Bastard Who Cheats (A LOT) build and suddenly people started having a problem with the price.

If my personal decision to post a build didn't matter, then the price would have been addressed a week ago on the 15 when v1.1 was first posted, on not at all. But is not what happened.

And the price change may even be justified. That doesn't change the fact that my posting a build was apparently what made people aware of that fact.

>>55015319
Nice image

>>55015428
I meant "work" in the sense of succeed. But replace "open under" with "open inside" if you want to cover "work" in the sense of "something happens at all".

>>55015448
Well if you don't give more choices, then it's just going to feel lopsided. It doesn't end the world, but the design won't be as neat.

>>55015331
>Jump 21 - TRIGUN
Age: 215-years-old
Location: Tonim
Origin: Independent Plant

Perks:
-Never-Ending Song (Free)
-Love & Peace! (Free)
-Angel Arm (Free)
-Hard Puncher (Free)
-Technical Pacifism
-The Lowdown

Items:
-Donuts (Free)
-.45 Long Colt (Free)
-Insurance

Drawbacks:
-Killing Spiders to Save Butterflies [Mandatory]
-Gung-Ho-Guns Part 2 (+300)

Lucina:
-Origin: Lawwoman
-Never-Ending Song (Free); Shoot to Maim (Free); Blank Ticket
-Bullets (Free); Badge (Free); Constance Rifle

Eshe:
-Origin: Insurance Agent
-Never-Ending Song (Free); Work Hard Play Hard (Free); Second Job; Inconspicuous Carry; Shoot to Maim
-$$100,000 (Free)

This involved the permanent death of two of my Rogue's Gallery (The Steel Duke and Picasso) as of them joining Legato Bluesummers to strike directly at me. Katyusha Oktyabrskaya was a member of them, but then decided after the fifth mass slaughter that the money wasn't worth it and escaped on the Ratbatspider she'd tamed from Lost Valley of the Dinosaurs.

Sticky Fingers lost his stomach for the business and tried to warn me that they were abducting Lucina to use as bait for a trap, and helped me finish off Picasso and his beastmen slaves. It was then a final fight between me and The Steel Duke.

Culminating in me and Vash in an Angel Arm firefight against Knives.

>>55015443
This sounds like a job for all of JC's luck perks!

Generic Isekai has one, but where else are they hiding?

>>55015449
>If my personal decision to post a build didn't matter, then the price would have been addressed a week ago on the 15 when v1.1 was first posted, on not at all.

>assuming i am the center of the universe

Seriously?

>>55015449
Yeah, it was common knowledge in early threads to NEVER post your build in the thread if you didn't want the jump nerfed, because that was almost always the result. It's why nowadays build posting isn't that common for most.

>>55015449

Dude it's done get over it.

>>55015449
Or could it be that the constant upgrades/removal of limits to the cheats motivated people to talk about how the prices needed to be increased?

Like how most of the people mentioned that in their arguments? You're way too arrogant.

>>55015443
... I guess I should avoid this world. Imagine Breaker would be... Bad.

>>55015474
Franken fran has a top tier one. guy is a peak human and he comes back to life from being executed like three times out of shear luck.

>>55015491
Nah, it's common stupidity. Stop assuming you're that important.

>>55015500
NO BUT I'M THE ONLY REASON IT WAS CHANGED

NOBODY ELSE'S BUILDS. JUST MINE.

>>55015268
That wasn't me. I'm too busy concentrating on three different things to notice whether the OP has the link to the Discord.

>>55015509
Anon, you're in /jc/.

These people don't matter anywhere else. The idea that their build was specifically targeted for nerfing is something of an ego boost - probably the only one they've had in years.

>>55015502
How many people actually grabbed imagine breaker? What perks apart from toggle could help you to turn off its effects?

>>55015493
It's not over till the jumpmaker decides it is.

>>55015518
Are you fucking done painting everybody with the same fucking brush?

>>55015449
Also can you stop re-posting whatever jump you're talking about. It's unnecessary.

>>55015545
I mean its pretty easy

>>55015509
When jumps are nerfed in direct response to someone's build looking 'overpowered' or having too much to the author, then their build was the cause of the nerf, numbnuts. Stop assuming that jumpmaking decisions are made out of thin air.

If anything this repeated insistence that someone else doesn't matter kinda stinks of someone with self-esteem issues projecting them on other people and situations.

>>55015519
I only took it because that's what my roll ended up on. Post-jump it doesn't outright cancel all good luck perks, though they're barely effective outside combat.

Given that I rely more on my Xanatos Gambits than chance, it doesn't have any major effects on me beyond comedic value.

>>55015588
Stop assuming it was all because of you instead of the people actually arguing about the absurdity that was the Jump's prices after opening it up and seeing. Did you not think the updates and people constantly talking about the cheats wouldn't draw any curiosity on what the fuck was going on? Not everything is about you, jack ass.

>>55015602
Or an unhealthy amount of cynicism.

God knows you people give me plenty of reason to feel cynical.

>>55015530
He did.

>>55014734
> Although I really don't expect any more changes after this. The jump is in a good place now, finally.

>>55015608
>You
I wasn't the one to post a build, numbnuts. I was comparing anon's situation to the situation in the early thread and why build posting mostly died.

>>55015625
>Grandfather Clause

NOT VALID REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

ouch, okay hold on, think I just cracked the voicebox.

>>55015650
*Gives bandage*

>>55015449
My objection is just that someone raises a complaint, and 25 minutes later SoftAnon goes through with it.
If it’s what he really wants, I can work with it, but it seems odd that after listening to opinions from everyone so much, they would do this without at least asking for a general show of opinion.

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>>55015563
What's that anon?
I didn't see you there.
IT'S HARD TO NOTICE YOUR POST WITH NO IMAGE.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE UPLOADED AN IMAGE.
POSTS WITH IMAGED GET MORE ATTENTION DON'T YOU KNOW.

>>55015650
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Invalid REE. It's not done until we say it's done.

>>55015670
>someone raises a complaint, and 25 minutes later SoftAnon goes through with it
You haven't been paying attention to the discussion that's been going on every iteration of it, otherwise you'd know that the cost has been brought up several times.

>>55015670
What good does a general show of opinion do when almost everyone is anonymous anyway? It's better to to by the strength of argument and given you're complaining he didn't go by anonymous popular vote, it's a bit clear on who you think had the better argument.

Your comment about being fine with it if it's what he wants rings hollow too, given you're ignoring his statement that he agreed with the idea that things were too cheap.

Who was working on Eternal Darkness? I was pretty sure we had someone that was handling that.

How would imagine breaker work against unlimited blade works? Would the blades disappear or am I fucked?

>>55015734
Arguably, it would dissolve the entire Reality Marble.

>>55015734
Yeah, the blades would probably disappear. The problem is UBW can launch blades from anywhere within its world and you only have the one hand.

>>55015747
Nah, it's a continuously projected effect like Ignotius or whatever. It'd just dispel the area around it, not the entire thing.

>>55015697
Admittedly, this is true.
>>55015705
>you're ignoring his statement that he agreed with the idea that things were too cheap.
Actually it was in direct reference to it.

>>55015747
I don't think anyone would want that considering everything on Earth in Fate is basically a giant reality marble.

>>55015670
Because he agreed with it? It IS pretty bizarre given that those posters didn't bother to respond to him or his jump. Though I feel like the cheats should probably be buffed a bit more.

>>55015781
Well, no, people did respond to say they were happy it changed.

>>55015375
How can one gambling addicted psychopath be so best?

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>>55015812
It's that Bami bloodline. The Prez is just as good.

Seriously, the bit in the tower where you just have the two girls getting on like best friends as they gamble for their lives is so great

>>55015375
>Wish hot dogs would only come with tomato sauce and not onion as well because of the mouth feel reduction?
Beef hot dog on a toasted bun with mustard and grilled onions. A best.

>>55015826
Gamble for their lives? What the hell?

Hot dogs go best with spicy chili and cheese. All other condiments go die.

>>55015885
Sonic get out, nobody invited you.

You see this is why potato would never work, jumpers might start interstellar wars with each other over what the best things to put on hot dogs are.

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>>55015375
Another bloodborne style perkline? Interesting. Though a bit unfortunate for me personally, I have no business pretending to be a highschooler of any kind in any universe.
As for my thoughts, variety is always better but I prefer it to be spread evenly across the tiers.

>>55015881
There really are some nutbags for gambling. At several points, the series has characters get into life or death gambles. Sometimes these are fake outs, sometimes it's entirely for real. They're all really fun to watch, especially when a normal person gets stuck in with one of the crazies.

One of the best gambles was when Jyabami and Midori, two of the gambling crazies, get in a finger slicing gamble (Machine with holes you put your fingers in, guillotine connected to a strings and you need to cut one string each turn and hope yours doesn't drop the blade, if you pull your finger out of the holes, you lose) with a normal girl who is trying to psyche them out. The normal girl gets tricked into thinking the finger slicing game really will result in chopped off fingers, instead of just making people get scared it will, and is losing her shit while the crazy girls are lapping it up and getting red faced and panting over the thrill.

>>55015908
>Sonic telling something to die
It can only be Shadow.

>>55015375
>Kakegurui

>Settings about gambling,

>A Jumper with good luck perks and some way to ward of cheating would definitely be the gambling king.

>Jumper then trolls everyone by being a graceful winner and a nice guy. everyone has no idea how the hell he always wins and are put off by him being so nice.

>>55015791
I meant before it was changed, like what the person I responded to was talking about. You retarded retard.

>>55015917
>Bloodborne style
Only do it when the series doesn't have clearly defined stuff for different origins. Technically this one probably could have something...but we can get a lot more content this way. And more content is always more fun. Well, if it's good content.

>>55015930
So it's about a literal gambling fetish.

>>55015947
Wow, rude.

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>>55015697
>You haven't been paying attention to the discussion that's been going on every iteration of it, otherwise you'd know that the cost has been brought up several times.
So, interesting fact. 4chan posts are actually archived.

And you can do stuff like searched all posts that mention the word 'cheat' in the /tg/ board. And going back to before the time v1.1, v1.0, and v0.3 was posted is only 8 pages.

And NONE of them seem to be a about a problem with the cheat prices price before today.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU ARE A DUMBASS SHITPOSTER WHO IS LYING OUT HIS ASS!

>>55015734
>>55015747
>>55015756
>>55015774
Imagine breaker is powerful, but not so powerful that it can't be overcome or resisted. Servants, Reality Marbles and Noble Phantasms are serious business - I rather doubt that Imagine Breaker would override any of them outright.

>>55015375
>tomato sauce
If only it was actual tomato sauce and not nasty sugary ketchup.

>>55015953
Sooooort of? The main character is definitely that way but plenty of other characters are in it for money, influence or just lacking choice. A lot of people remark on how genuinely creepy and insane Jyubami's actions are, so it's hardly treated as normal.

>>55015967
You don't want to get past imagine breaker anon, if you do a massive multi headed dragon of fuck you comes out to eat you. Apparently it is even more bullshit than Crowley.

>>55015989
It's more bullshit than Fiamma, I don't think we know what it is in relation to the big C.

>>55015989
Only an idiot or an Alchemist are stupid enough to think that cutting it off is a good idea. Or a Magic God who can say "meh, whatever" to the Invisible Thing.

I mean "get past it" by using magic that is too powerful to outright cancel.

>>55015756
Can't you just punch the ground and UBW disappears?

>>55015967
I thought it was absolute supernatural negation. Which is why it was such a big deal

>>55015424
Barbeque sauce doesn't mix too well with cheese, it forms these weird layers separated by oil.

>>55015930
That's messed up.

Note to self, bring a sanity aura to this jump.

Unrelated question, anybody know of a perk that lets you radiate sanity like an aura?

>>55015967
Servants are pretty solidly street level except for their Noble Phantasms (and the powerlevels of those varies) and Imagine Breaker scared the piss out of a planetbusting angel and deflected a giant planetbusting crossbow thing.

>>55016013
It has some limits and things that it doesn't work too well against.

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>>55016021
Servant's are more anime bullshit then street level. Supersonic fighting and making craters with their attacks and stuff.

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>>55015949
>Only do it when the series doesn't have clearly defined stuff for different origins
I agree with the decision completely. Its just that I will have to jump through several additional in universe hoops to become a teacher instead of a student. Actually that raises a question.... Are there even teachers at this hell for gamblers? I can't remember any.

>>55016021
So basically Ea is the only NP that might be enough?

>>55016051
I honestly don't think we've seen a teacher in the series. Pretty sure they're there, given it is also a school. Just not important to the setting/story at all.

>>55016055
Nah a few would still absolutely screw it. Gae Bolg for example would beat it by just avoiding it entirely and already be inside your heart. Some of them don't really travel through a medium that can be touched and stuff just happens like Medusa's eye.

What's a good early jump for stuff like memory and sanity perks? Stuff to make you less likely to fuck up later on.

I feel like both sides are underestimating the other.

Servants could very easily destroy mountains (Like Hercules). Likewise Imagine Breaker can basically negate most things including illusionary worlds and servants (since most servants are just familiars made by forming prana around a frame)

>>55016084
Yeah Gae Bolg should get past Imagine Breaker since it would never hit Imagine Breaker.

>>55016046
Technically that's still street level. Most people seem to fold building level and basically anything that isn't outright city destroying under that.

>>55016055
Both series generally place a lot more weight on conceptual bullshit, which abounds in both too. While you have to get pretty extreme to outpower IB with raw power, it's possible to use specific forms of power application (Loads of fast, small attacks can overwhelm it since they're attacking faster than it can cancel) or conceptual bullshit (Somehow working via not being registered as an attack or some crazy shit)

>>55016101
>Heracles busting mountains
Hey VS battles, that's still not true. A single line of narration in a visual novel doesn't supercede every single other thing he does that clashes with that idea.

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>>55015826
I don't know about that. Prez doesn't manage that bizarre but perfect mix of cute and batshit that Yumeko does.

>>55016088
try sherlock/great detective?

>>55016112
Yeah the only place stuff like that belongs is when Apocrypha gets drunk.

>>55016088
I think Generic Universal Monsters has a good memory perk for new chains.

>>55016112
I actually didn't pull that from vsbattle. That is the Nasuverse wiki 50x strength from A rank strength and doing calculations by hand (I get bored)

>>55016101
Yeaaaah, Herc can't bust mountains. Not in base SN anyway.

>>55016123
True...but I feel that lately, since we've gotten more focus on her as a character instead of a shadowy villain, we've seen much more of her cute side. She's definitely siding more towards the sexy/scary scale than cute/nutty though.

>>55016129
...you think 50 times peak human strength is mountain busting?

>>55016021
>scared the piss out of a planetbusting angel
Eh. It scares Kazakiri, but Fuse Kazakiri is wary at best. Given that she's the "angel" with the most contact with that "Ordinary High School Boy..."

Servants are above street level, though how far varies from Servant to Servant.

>>55016046
>more anime bullshit then street level
Dark Matter. Railgun. Accelerator. Acqua of the Back. Fiamma of the Right...

Touma deals with opponents on anime bullshit levels a lot. But it doesn't mean that Imagine Breaker is an outright "I win" button.
Most of those fights end up with him in almost-dead states.

Of course, just the misfortune he's surrounded with is on a deadly level. (No, really, look into some of the things he had to deal with before he went to Academy City - And he's been there on his own since ~6 years old.)

>>55016014
It can work well together actually, but you have to apply it just right. The way I normally do it is sauce the bun, lay the piping hot hotdog, sprinkle cheese on top. Sidenote, even if I sometimes cook the hotdogs in the sauce in some way, I pretty much never melt the cheese. The cold cheese is a nice contrast to the hotdog no matter what.

>>55016144
There is this thing called pressure. He could cut through stone like butter. It's more appropriate to say he has the strength to cut down a mountain not that he could do it in one go.

>>55016144
Servants being peak human times 50 is a fucking joke anyway. Like they aren't busting up mountains but they're way stronger then "just" 50 times human.

>>55016144
To be fair, that's human Nasuverse strength. Even modern day humans can hit conceptual werewolf ghost things with enough force to instantly kill them, even though that's supposed to be impossible.

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Blizzard's recent penchant for puzzles and Mysteries leaves my gold drained and my brain tired.

Tell me jumpers, when has shit been way too complicated and/or puzzling for even you?

>>55016156
It's quite different from very easily destroying a mountain then, isn't it?

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>Val mentions Kakegurui
>Suddenly there's a video in my recommended videos about how Kakegurui sucks.

Do we have any good corruption resistance perks?

>>55016185
>recommended videos have this shit taste
What have you been watching anon?

>>55016187
What form of corruption are you looking to defend against?

I suggest Re-Birth from Cardfight! Vanguard, anyhow.

>>55016183
It is easily destroying a mountain effort wise just a bit tedious. Just like how you could easily rip the pages of a textbook a group of pages at a time

>>55016101
>very easily
What you meant to say is "at the absolute greatest wank of his prime abilities with heavy strain".

>>55016150
While as usual, I protest your choice of foods, I definitely agree on cold cheese being best. It's much better when you can feel them as opposed to some melted covering of everything.

>>55016168
>Puzzles

Wait when the fuck was that a thing? Are they ripping from Guild Wars now?

>>55016139
So since Tubal Cain in DI is mentioned several times in succession to be able to cut down mountains does that mean he can bust mountains? The way Mr. narrator was talking about it seemed more matter of fact than Ren's initial chuunispeak. Granted, powerlevels in that vn are somewhat inconsistent.

>>55016055
Not him but it's very difficult to say. Things like Magic Gods, archangels and the better wizards in Index can warp probability or unleash enough power to blow up the planet, which puts them far ahead of Fate in biggatons.

But Fate NPs have a lot of clauses and conceptual loopholes they work through which means that in the person-sised, fist-shaped area of effect IB affects things in they can conditionally be more powerful than just spamming energy all over the place. More importantly, you can still get hurt from the attack splashing onto you if you're trying to block it with IB. So trying to block Ea with it would be a terrible idea because at the end of the day apart from any Truth of the World nonsense, it's a massive spatial warp dropped on your face.

Other things to worry about would be Avalon, Karna's Kavacha armor, Akhilleus Kosmos and Lac Pucelle-anything that straight neutralises attack values or interposes a world between the target and an attack, because against something with a very skewed definition of baseline reality causes unpredictable things to happen with IB. When Touma punched an archangel, the archangel just got sent home instead of fizzling.

I think it'd definitely annihilate a non-Noble Phantasm reality marble, though. IB has succesfully reset what was basically a universe-scale use of Marble Phantasm by hitting the girl using it really hard.

>>55016194
Will there be a perk in Fate GO for being able to summon servants based on your current world? Such as summoning a Servant based on Revan in Star Wars OT?

>>55016210
DUDE YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW

DONT AWAKEN THE TEXT WALL

SAVE YOURSELF

>>55016209
Indeed, cold cheese takes the title. You're still a gigantic cutie even if I hate your food too.

>>55016195
Say, the one ring from lotr, and/or demonic possession. Would it work on that sort of thing?

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>>55015375
I'm a simple moth, I keep the relish and the chopped RAW onions FAR AWAY from anything my food touches AS IT SHOULD BE FOR ALL FOODS, and I put mustard and ketchup on my hot dog.

Sometimes I, in a fit of foolish hubris, think I can eat chili cheese dogs without it turning into a fucking mess.

>>55016168
The entirety of my stay in Jorge Joestar.

Just.

I jumped head on into the japanese zombie apocalypse as soon as I could instead of dealing with DIO's shit. Fuck your timey wimey bullshit.

>>55016235
Anti-life immunity from Superman tas is what I'd recommend for avoiding subversion of your freewill from those sources.

>>55016211
No, I'd believe that.

See, I don't believe the one off line about Herc because there's a lot of reason not to. Heracles is a berserker, one told by his Master to let loose and go all out on many occasions. Occasions that do not result in the city they're in being obliterated, as it should be if every one of his attacks can destroy mountains and he has no reason to hold back. Even if he was holding back for Ilya's sake, which makes little sense since he could easily bring the fight away from her with his raw power and speed, he should be far, far stronger than actually shown in his fights if he could destroy mountains.

The characters in DI on the other hand, often do have reason to not just blow up the whole city. They need to kill people in a set order/time/process, without doing too many at once, or their plan fails. And they need to do this in specific places too. They can't just run off to another place because they need to kill within pretty small areas for their plan to work, often within a single building. And the heroes just don't want to kill everyone at once either. So the characters can believably be described as having a lot of power (And there's also a fair few instances of them showing a lot more power than usual too) without always needing to destroy a city or mountain every time they swing their sword.

That said, the VN power levels are fairly inconsistent, which only gets worse when you take into account the influence the other VNs in the series have on power levels.

>>55016245
Did you head off to Africa(iirc?) for the other few thousand skin vampires?

>>55014567
Feeling like doing a roll chain
Reborn (free)
Sentient Item (free)
Dungeon Heart (900)
Accustomed (free)
Regretful (700)
Perceptive (400)
Skill Sharing (free)
Upgrade (0)
Adventurer's Remains (free)
Companions x2
A strange existence, Castellum is a soul snared by a magical experiment in creating self enhancing fortifications that succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. While fairly small to start, its ability to make use of environmental mana allowed it to rapidly expand to a decent size. It maintains a steady flow of adventurers by lending out its own abilities to any who manage to defeat it. Each clear is only good for one day, but one day of self improvement and skill acquisition is a great reward to acquire. Of course those who fail find their own best tricks added to the mix of hazards, but that's secondary compared to the benefits of success. For now Castellum searches for skills to gain a human form, large portions of its mana go towards improving its own nature as a dungeon heart, making the dungeon grow mobile, able to rearrange itself, and slightly bigger on the inside. Its hope is eventually to become a person sized and shaped dungeon.

Companion One, the Dragon
Summoned (free)
Monster (free)
Mystic Beast (500) Metal
Mystic Eyes of Permanence (rolled)
A Hero's Title (free)
Robe of Disguise (free)
Vassal Tribe (400)
A Hero's Light (100)
A Hero's Vigor (0)
Responsible for serving as the boss of the dungeon and maintainer of traps, most days Sol is the recipient of Castellum's skills. Between Sol's ability to create unending constructs of light and Castellum's constant accumulation of new abilities they make a formidable duo. Sol doesn't really have much to do, having been summoned by the same group of mages responsible for engineering Castellum's creation. Indeed Sol's eyes were even used for some of the enchantment work on the heart. It was never intended to become aware though, and Sol is conflicted on whether it doing so was a good thing.

>>55016202
Hardly, Hercules isn't the greatest thing ever unless he was a true servant.

My point being is he could crumble a mountain in a day and he wouldn't feel tired after doing it. What I mean by easy is effort wise. Easy does not mean effortlessly, You could easily answer 10000 basic addition problems it's just tedious.

Hercules could basically be his own one man strip miner and he wouldn't need heavy equipment to do it

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>>55016168
What is alchemy

What is life

>>55015449
Cheats are 400cp now? Dammit. If they were 300 I could still afford Regretful and get my build through. Oh well.

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>>55016294
And I forgot my image

Companion Two, the Collector
Summoned (free)
Human (free)
A Hero's Title (free)
A Hero's Quest (500)
Thorough Research (100)
Protagonist's Luck (0)
Skill Books (free)
A Bag of Coin (free)
The final member of our little group, Auctor's job is to help them gain more skills from adventurers. Summoned a bit after Castellum achieved external interaction, Auctor is more interested in exploring the world, only meeting up with the other two every month or so to collect blood samples and exchange useful skills. Auctor is one of the major reasons why the local kingdoms are willing to allow Castellum to gather power, Castellum and Sol don't interfere much with the outside world, but Auctor is always happy to lend a hand against any big threats on the horizon. She's also always happy to give temporary allies a few books to make them more useful. There are many heroes and other beings of great power in this world, but Auctor is one of the ones to give power most freely to others.

Anyway, load me up. Eight jumps, one per post.

>>55016228
Hum. Possibly. I was originally just going to nix the gacha based perk but it might have some use in other places.

We'll see what I can work out. If I can't find something balanced for the price, I'll probably just give it a miss.

>>55016232
The one point of disagreement. You're a sweetie too~

>>55016293
...

If there were skin vampires outside of Japan and Great Britain then I might have done an oopsie.

Oh well, I'm sure the Joestars can handle it.

>>55016289
Much appreciated.

>>55016245
DIO WAS JESUS AND MAYBE GOD ALL ALONG EXCEPT ACTUALLY IT WAS JOJO!
All according to the plan of the first Joseph Joestar who sent Kars into space probably.

>>55016328
Ripple Warriors gotcha covered senpai.

>>55016296
Still doesn't make him able to crush mountains. Chipping away at one isn't the same thing at all, and completely irrelevant to boot.

>>55016228
>Revan
NP: Malachor V - Anti-Army
Hmm...

>>55016194
Vinesauce, so nothing really related. About the only anime videos I even checked recently were the leaks about Goku's new form.

>>55016290
Haha yup. The visual fanbook is even worse, since while it breaks down powerlevels into actual stats like Fate, it blatantly contradicts itself, the game, and sometimes the basic logic behind how Ewigkeit functions.

>>55016311
Suppose it helps visuals if I do the full list even if it's empty. Been ages since I did one of these.
>Jump List
>1.
>2.
>3.
>4.
>5.
>6.
>7.
>8.

>>55016242
Chili cheese dogs are an absolute mess, but that's what makes them good.

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>>55016228
>>55016313
>Go to Naruto
>tfw you summon Minato as a Servant
>tfw you realise you'll have to explain to Naruto why/how you summoned his hero/dad and to Kakashi why/how you summoned his teacher
>tfw you accidentally attract the attention of all the major players at the start of the series

>>55016328
Yeah, you're probably fine. I just figured you would have enjoyed a longer hunt to take your mind off of your mind being full of fuck.

>>55016360
Stranger Things
Jorge Joestar
Witchblade

>>55016360
Touhou Project.

>>55016347
It's not irrelevant. You would not want to be one the receiving end on a giant drill in the shape of a man.

I also never said he could crush mountains, I said destroy mountains.

>>55016367
>You summon Madara as a Servant
>...

>>55016360
Overlord (anime)
Prototype (game)

>>55016360
The Elder Scrolls.

>>55016360
Tomb Kings.

>>55016384
You're an idiot, but okay.

>>55016360
Fight Streeter

>>55016360
Orks and Goblins

>>55016384
You said very easily. You said something you knew would be very easily comprehended in a different way than you intended because in almost every case someone is described the way you described Heracles, they're talking about the one attack to destroy sort of thing.

>>55016360
Sonichu.

>>55016235
Demonic Possession it'd work, for the One Ring I would go for >>55016289

>>55016210
Okay SO.
TIME FOR SOME MYST SHIT, SON.

There's a cave in Winterspring, said to hold the last egg of this rare faerie dragon species. The cave is shrouded in a Consuming Silence with in-game silences all class abilities and Toy usage to avoid cheese.

Before going to the Cave, YOU NEED:
A Major Protection Potion of every magical element.
Noggenfogger Elixirs out the asshole.
Scotty's Lucky Coin, which drops form Scotty the wood sprite, who has some fucked up spawn requirements.
A Mug of Dire Brew, which requires coercing a Dark Iron Brewer to keep making it more and more potent until one swig causes him to pass out.
A Vial of Ethereal Oil.
A Gordok Ogre Suit, made by Knot Thimblejack in the Ogre Quarter of Dire Maul. Used to bypass all ogre bosses until you have a chance to kill King Gordok.
A Vial of Winterfall Firewater.
Pygmy Oils out the asshole.
A Perky Pug.
A "Little Princess" costume for said Perky Pug.
and a Scroll of Intellect.

Puzzle continued in next post.

>>55016360
Hellsing

>>55016384
>hurr gaiz ur underesutamating Servants fighatn capabilities becuz they could sestroy moutains if you stud still for a day and let them solowly chip away at it
>relevant
K. And I suppose you'd peg your local carpenter as "small-building level" because he could "very easily destroy" a small building in a day.

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>>55016297
Remember proper dick placement is critical for singing, but even if you use the souls of the dead you still have to worry.

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>>55016366
I want to like messy foods but it gets all over me and I have to wipe it away else the sensation on my face bugs the hell out of me and I want to get it away immediately.

I have sensory issues relating to that, a shame since I love BBQ food

>>55016464
>small-building level
No, no. You're underestimating his scale. He could very easily destroy a small town. Maybe even a medium sized town.
Including all of the farmhouses and other structures in the surrounding rural area.

>>55016409
I mean it was just a thought exercise for fun. If you want to call me an idiot for actually doing the math correctly go ahead.

>>55016425
My bad, but just because it is more complex than one attack doesn't mean he couldn't do it at all. Saying only in one attack strikes me as a lazy way of thinking about it

This is a man who figured out how to cause his sword to exist in 8 other places while he makes one attack, all of which could cut a truck in two cutting a mountain down would only require time.

>>55016360
Double Cross.

Rolled 2 (1d8)

>>55016375
>>55016382
>>55016389
>>55016398
>>55016401
>>55016411
>>55016412
>>55016440
>Jump List
>1. Stranger Things
>2. Tohou
>3. Overlord (Anime)
>4. Elder Scrolls
>5. Tomb Kings
>6. Street Fighter
>7. WHF Orks and Goblins
>8. Sonichu
Will build come morning.

The thing about collateral is that, to blow up something big in one hit, you either have to be using some blasting energy, or be moving very fast. If you're extremely strong and hit something, the damage is going to be fairly concentrated otherwise, to a certain point of strength far beyond what you'd expect.

>>55016493
Wasn't that just a really fast combo of slices? You're also really underestimating the amount of time it'd take to actually cut up and separate a mountain. Even with Herc, that's weeks or months of work.

>>55016442
>>55016210
>>55016230

So you get to the cave, get flooded by the Consuming Silence.

You use the Fire Protection Potion to get past the wall of fire.

Then there's a Wall of Fel / Chaos. You need to consume all of the other potions to get past this one.

Then, there is a Gargoyle called the Diligent Watcher, who teleports all fleshy beings out of the cave. You need to chug enough Noggenfogger Elixirs to get the Skeleton transformation - which is 1 out of 3 results.

Then you come upon a blue barrier, and a wall of vines. You need to use Scotty's Lucky Coin to transform into Scotty, traverse the vines until you find a small pool, pick up a Water Stone from that pool, and boom, you can traverse the blue barrier.

To get past the Stone Watcher you need to drink the Dire Brew, which will transform you into a Dark Iron dwarf.

Then you have a branching three paths which must be done in this specific order:
1. Go up the ramp to the purple barrier, use the Ethereal Oil to phase through it. There's a Strange Stone with a hole you put your arm in. You need to use the Gordok Ogre Suit and Winterfall Firewater to make yourself big enough for your arm to fit perfectly inside. Doing so marks you with the Sign of the Second.

2. Left-most gate is locked. You need to be teeny-tiny small enough to squeeze under it. Start chugging the Pygmy Oils. Past the gate is the WISDOM CUBE. Converse with the Wisdom Cube, it tells you “My creators seek a most amusing heir." Bring out the Perky Pug, dress it up as a Little Princess. Place your arm under the cube, get the Sign of the First.

3. Center tunnel is unlocked now. Find the Tarnished Plaque, which reads “The greatest of achievements begins with the smallest leap of the mind.”

De-activate your Winterfall Firewater, use the Scroll of Intellect, and walk - don't dive, walk - into the pool of water.

At the bottom is the Sun Darter Faerie Dragon egg.

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Well It's about time to get suggestions for my rollchain. I am looking for about 7. Here is a list of jumps I have already taken https://pastebin.com/u26SLK0X thank you in advance.

>>55016442
>>55016543
Literally, why?

>>55016567
SCP Foundation
Generic Isekai
Goat Simulator
NieR Gestalt

How long do you usually spend on a single jump? What's your process?

>>55016605
If it's a setting that's interesting or that I actually care about, I usually take a fair bit of time thinking about what I'm actually doing. If it's a setting I just don't care about, I barely manage to write a few sentences.

If it's a setting I actually hate then rocks fall, everyone dies, and I leave.

>>55016605
Making or jumping?

>>55016569
Turns out it's all for a little combat pet which looks pretty cool and has a lot of lore tied to it.

Scenario's gonna be a bit better, given the amount of WORK I HAD TO PUT INTO FIGURING THAT SHIT OUT.

>>55016622
Jumping

>>55016569
For eggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ybs2aLKgY

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And now presenting-Jumps I know next to nothing about.

[Hollow Knight]

Drop-In

Soul (Free)
Worship the Fluff (Free)
Weapon Projection (900)
Radiant (600)
Hollow Reprisal (0)

Isn't the void gunk some kind of bioweapon used against the Radiant? If I have both the Radiant's power and some sort of affinity for the void gunk, can I use it to make hollow knight-moths? Because sounds totally rad. This plagued land sucks, after I cure it I'm gonna create a kingdom of hollow knight-moths and get this void party started.

[Ronin Warriors]

Drawbacks: A Wise Man With Little To Say, A Clan Sublimated, A Complete Monster (1600)

Orphan of the Ancient Clan, age 24

Ageless Body (Free)
Foundation (1500)
Broken Into Nine (1300)
Spirit, Sutra and Scriptures (1000)
Classical Attire (Free)
Jewel of Life (600)
Part of a Greater Whole (0)

>"Okay so, the way I see it: Your options are actually pretty simple. Crystal, or armor. Well, what it's gonna be: Crystal or armor?"
>"I'm taking this thing to the crystal farms, and bringing a mould"
>"Why?"
>"Because crystal armor is the best third option"

[Tetsuwan Birdy Decode]

Drawback: Old School Dub (1100)

Sky Hole

Student, human

University Education (Free)
What Do You Mean I Shouldn't Be Here? (900)
That's Convenient (750)
Plot Armor (450)
Hoverboard (400)
Fridge Full Of Food (Free)
Existence Fluctuation Gun (100)
Onsen (0)

I don't even know how I got here. I just fell asleep on the bus, and woke up next to all this stuff.

On my way home I saw a space cop inside of a little boy, so after some awkward misunderstandings I just broke out the medi-gun to un-fuse and fully heal him. I couldn't help but feel I either started or stoppped something very important from happening, but I just came back to store my stuff before leaving this crummy little backwater for space adventures.

>>55016478
>"Fool, I'm no ordinary carpenter! Behold my Anti-Furniture Retailer Noble Phantasm: Unlimited IKEA Works!"

>>55016516
Ehh, the jury is still out on that one. Specifically because of the fact it is described in a way similar to what Sasaki Kojirou did in the sense it is multiple cuts in one breath, so swift that they overlap in time.

It also has the special property of conceptually killing as many times as something resurrects which means it could theoretically match and negate an infinite number of resurrections. But the technique finishes after nine strikes. Essentially condensing a theoretically infinite number of strikes into just nine.

Lastly on the note of the mountain, you are correct the entire calculation is assuming he is causing it collapse just by digging through the base and letting it fall, and that it doesn't cave in at any point.

>>55016631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su8nHs4Tjbo

>>55016635
>property of conceptually killing as many times as something resurrects
Well that's just dumb.

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there a spectacular spider-man jump?
I can't seem to find it on the drive

>>55016646
No, though there is an Ultimate Spiderman jump. And a Raimi Trilogy jump.

>>55016635
The thing is that they made a big deal of how Sasaki's worked but not the same about Heracle's attack.

That sounds like bullshit and I'd definitely want a quote on that.

Even then, that seems immensely unlikely. Even if a tunnel that small could do it, the stone he destroys doesn't disappear. At some point he'd have to start carrying stone back out of the tunnel and put it outside, or he'd just be filling up what he's digging out.

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>>55016651
I was thinking of Ultimate
Thanks for that

>>55016652
What if he hits the stone hard enough that the matter annihilates and converts to energy?

>>55016658
>Spider Cap

FUND IT

TELL ME THIS IS ACTUALLY A THING

>>55016642
But it's true, a hydra will endlessly regenerate heads until they are all destroyed so thus he did so. Since a normal man could only cut off one head at a time he use this technique to kill all of them

>>55016652
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Nine_Lives
Control-f
>Heracles' monstrous opponent
for the conceptual bit

or

>Breath
for the Sasaki allusion

>>55016661
He doesn't

>>55016652
Clearly he hits it hard enough to vaporize the stone on a conceptual level (or maybe just a normal level if you're limitwanking).

>>55016652
It is bullshit. It comes from a single line that's extremely vague and not referred to again in any other material besides one page in a Grand Order material.

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>>55016669
Nope
As far as I know it is just a cool concept for a what-if?

>>55016589
Sorry already did SCP but the rest are added.
1. Generic Isekai
2. Goat Simulator
3. Neir Gestalt
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. Free Choice

>>55016675
Yeah, that's...hard to believe. Especially since the hydra was killed with fire. That's the same as in every legend.

>>55016688
Ronin Warriors
Sonichu
Libromancer
MLG (Joke Jump is joke)
Kim Possible

>>55016688
Witchblade.

>>55016675
Okay anon. Hitting a hundred times in one breath isn't hitting in an instant. A breath takes place over time. And it's described as a series or combo of strikes several times in that page.

Second, the conceptual thing is a biiiig stretch given the detail there. It even says in that one line that it's only an implication.

>>55016693
Shrug maybe it's different in Fate wouldn't be the first time a historical or mythological detail was changed or mistaken in regard to what actually happened.

>>55016712
The one hundred times in one breath is what Sasaki was described as doing except it was three strikes in a single breath.

Hence why I said the jury is out on that one. It's implied but not confirmed that it does the second magic.

>>55016729
Except Sasaki's thing is described with a lot more detail than just that. They're not both one lines about strikes within a single breath and his technique was a big deal.

There's a very weak implication, that's all, and no real evidence.

>>55016675
I'd buy it. Heracles survived Shirou using it on him, but anything Shirou traces is lowered in rank. Also this is this the same Heracles who literally told reality fuck off so that Illya wouldn't die alone.

>>55016569
Also, you thought that shit was bad?

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Riddle_of_the_Mind-Seekers

A series of riddles, wherein the clues to solve said riddles are found in a fucking BOOK

THAT YOU BUY

IN REAL LIFE.

>>55016704
Sorry I already did Sonichu, thankfully for my jumpers sanity I can't do that one twice. The rest however are added
>>55016705
added to the reserve list

Sasaki's attack is notable because he's not a magus, and through pure skill managed to refract the strike through multiple dimensions.

Herc's is conceptual (kills the unkillable), and only strikes nine times.

>>55016779
>Conceptual
Not really proven in any way and would have been a pretty big deal in Grand Order if it did actually do that.

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>>55016605
It really, really varies.

Like right now I'm sleepy, I know nothing about the settings I just built for, I've got some other stuff to be busy with, it's raining-and I just want to either resume catching up on God of Highschool, start my Apocrypha marathon or crawl back into bed.

This is one of the worst possible mood for making builds for me, so I just dump the first few lines to come to mind. Case in point-

[Generic Creepypasta redux, #715]

Drawbacks: Always Watches, No Eyes, Weirdness Magnet, End of the World, Monster, Original recipe (1600)

Outisde Jordan Dooling's house

Cryptid, age 26

Creature of Habit (Free)
Those Faithful Few (1400)
Monstrous Body (Free)
Hyper-Realistic (Free)
Image Distortion (Free)
Perception Distortion (Free)
Biome (1200)
Eternal (1000)
Pocket Realm (800)
Malediction (400)
Traveller (300)
I Know (200)
Creepypastas (Free)
Eldritch Suit (150)
Dark God (100)
Proxy: Rauri McGanna
-Unstarveable (500)
-Parasite (400)
-Biome (200)
-Eternal (0)

Since I'm reasonably sure I'm the only person here to have read The Rapture Logs, to make a long story very short: In the creepypasta continuity I'm stuck in, a big monster called Rapture even the other Fears are scared of is coming to eat the universe.

It can only do this by tricking people (and Fears) into playing Guitar Hero against each other, and then it still has to win at a bunch of dungeon crawl bossfights in order to succesfully engulf our reality. It usually looks like Cockroach Jesus.

So I'm getting the plucky kids that can make a difference out of Cockroach Jesus' grasp, empowering the one with the biggest grudge against Fears and convincing the Slender Man to chill the hell out.

If we mess up Rapture's beacons, it basically gets cosmic lactic acid overload so even one very buff Fear can beat it into a coma. It won't die from that, though. And I don't want it to.

Because one version of Nyarlathotep exists in this reality.

And Rapture can eat it.

>>55016779
Also, Sasaki was shitty imaginary dirt farmer. That makes the technique way more impressive than from the most famous demigod ever whose most famous deeds involve killing really really hard to kill bullshit.

>>55016675
That;s...real dumb, yeah. It's definitely the less good side of the Nasu retcons, since it seems to be coming from a Grand Order Material book, and I'll admit it really doesn't make sense either. Either for the rank it's at, the way it should have been used if it worked that way or the way it's not described like that at all in any thing before the GO Material book.

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>>55016769

Look, Dragons are just larger swallows, that's all we need to understand about a legend like Kojirou

And sometimes samurai rewrite Roman history but that's another issue entirely

>>55016810
Hey, being an imaginary throw-away character just to prove how awesome Musashi is isn't an excuse for not being awesome in your own right.

Could Skill Books from Generic Isekai be used for proper power sharing? Sacrificial Bestowment is good but the whole eye thing is weird.

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>>55016769
>that you buy in real life

What was the POINT of that? That quest clearly has a wiki entry, nobody's going to by the damn book when the clues are RIGHT THERE on the wiki.

It's almost as baffling as the Loremasters being, as far as I could tell, a society of panda nerds. And then BAM, it turns out they somehow invented a book that can make thoughts real, which if Garrosh got hold of it could be used to make the Horde invincible until the Burning Legion can gatecrash and kill everyone. And then the panda lady using it just wishes all of that away, somehow.

>>55016789
It wouldn't. The big deal about Beasts and shit is that they lack a concept of death, not that they resurrect. And what more proof do you need than the author's direct word? Unless it's blatantly contradicted in some unexplainable way, it holds up.

>>55016755
To be fair we never see nine lives in use except in F/GO and that is turn based where everything is neat, we also don't get a slowdown of each individual strike. We also see Sasaki make each swing individually but he only makes one swing in reality.

So basically until we get Heavens Feel from UFOTable it would be hard to make a verdict since that way we can actually see it in action via Shirou with Nine Lives Unlimited Bladeworks and even then that's just a replica of the original.

>>55016817
Shrug don't shoot the messenger I'm just pulling information from wherever I can. Blame Nasu or translators for not enough info and vague descriptions of their universe.

>>55016839
To be fair it would be hard to beat Ms. Path to Cut.

>>55016842
Isn't it just for skills like sword fighting and singing which I think it has as examples, or does it treat abilities like skills?

>>55016839
My point was that if some shit dude could the simultaneous strike thing, why couldn't the coolest dude ever?

>>55016843
It wasn't so much necessary as the book itself held clues (which need a mind so fucky as to make the kind of connections necessary).

And... The less said about some of the short stories, the better. At least the Gob Squad are somewhat decent.

>>55016860
He's really not the coolest dude ever. He is just the Superman of Greek Myth

>>55016851
(Same Poster)

>>55016851
>via Shirou
Eh. His should be called "Eight Lives" since he only had eight strikes in his version.

>>55016843
Oh and the Riddler's Mind-Worm's description bemuses me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4SL4V_As8
"It feeds on your thoughts, even the ones you are thinking as you read this."

>>55016860
>the coolest dude ever
Wait, when did Tesla ever do a strike like that?

>>55016839
The current Musashi we also have is a faker tho

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>>55016900
I dunno dude, probably in the same VN they gave him a giant robot or something

>>55016906
Servants are reflections from the Throne of Heroes. The only non-faker Servants would be Counter Guardians... And EMIYA is a faker anyway.

>>55016842
In Isekai's Skills are also stuff like Status Effect resistance/immunity, Elemental resistance/immunity/absorption, Regeneration, Flash-Stepping, Flight/Air Walking/Jumping off of nothing, etc. Most of you powers would be counted as skills, especially if you had The System as well.

>>55016856
It might, the thing is in Isekai skills often means powers. I don't think we ever got a answer on that, which is odd since neither I nor any of the other people who talked about it before thought to ask Soft while he was here.

Some of the cheats, such as Skill Sharing, Skill Books, or Absorptive Stomach sort of need skills to follow the Isekai capital S Skill definition for them to compete with the other cheats like Upgrade and Gacha.

Upgrade is extremely versatile and Gacha can drop waifus, the others need to amazing to compete with that.

>>55016923
No I mean like

FAKER FAKER FAKER, not even a photocopy fake

>>55016906
>>55016935

No, she isn't a faker. She is actually Musashi just not the one from the protags universe and one who took a different path and didn't obtain fame.

That is like saying male Merlin and female Merlin that the female isn't Merlin. She is.

Also can we talk about how Bullshit Heavenly Eye is from a power standpoint. It's like freaking Contessa with Swords but with time and space warping properties.

Just woke up and Caught up with the thread

SoftAnon can go suck a dick

>>55016956
mah nigga, be you salty about not getting as much powah?

>>55016956
Whatever you say, little baby man.

>>55016625
So what's the scenario reward going to be, and how much more freaking convoluted is it going to be versus what you just posted?

>>55016956
Cry some more.

I need a perk to keep my skills and body sharp. Can't let those years of partying fuck me over.

>>55016842
Honestly the Sacrificial Bestowment strategy of using it to give itself would probably work for it and there is at least some evidence in the jump to say that skill = powers here. It could probably do the same things as sacrificial Bestowment only you may also want Upgrade as there is no guarantee the power you get/give with it will be as strong as the original. You could end up with a base/weakened version of it and need to buff it up to full power.

Though there are easy ways to overcome the disadvantages of Sacrificial Bestowment, such as force the worm into their eye and toss them in a time chamber for companions or boredom immunity and time chamber for jumpers.

>>55017010
That would be from Infinite Stratos. Brunhilde

>>55016932
Personally think we should just get discounts on Cheats we count for, so Mystic Beast Gamers would have access to System, Absorptive Stomach, and Upgrade for their first freebie and then pay 200 for the other two choices, 400 for any other choice. This would balance MOST of the choices except the Noble origin which gets the superior Cheat of being able to chose Cheats. Just a suggestion for Softanon.

>>55016956
Anon, if you promise to stop bitching I'll tell you how to get all 9 cheats for 100 CP. It is really easy.

>>55017010
>>55017027
I am an idiot don't pay attention to the above. I meant Merry Christmas Cake

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>>55016829
But, are they African or European swallows?

>>55016860
>>55016948
I'm pretty sure Kojiro was the AoG version of Shirou.

A dude who thought so hard about swords it became his superpower.

The coolest dude ever couldn't earn this ability, because Kojiro focused on swords to a degree that was objectively uncool when there's so many other weapons out there.

>>55017010
Earnest Little Puppy from Majikoi is great for that, since you (re)learn faster the less you know about stuff

>>55016888
>fuck, don't think about the mind-worm! It gains power from thinking about it, so definitely focus on not thinking about the thing that-
>-shit

At least it gets fed really easily.

Actually speaking of mounts, you know what's always puzzled me? The dragons are supposed to have really important duties to manage the world.

Yet any schmuck can just slap a saddle on a young one and use it as their personal taxi.

>>55017035
>Balance
Disagree there, it just brings back the problem of making them too cheap and available.

>>55016990

Female sun darter fey dragon with a clutch of eggs. And eh. Consumable-wise it's sodding irritating as it is, so at most there'll be some platforming required..

>>55017037
>Benefactors hate him! Find out how this Jumper maximised his mileage out of 100 CP using this weird trick!

>>55017046
I'm going with the excuse of "they're the retarded animals of the dragonflight."

Though the higher-tier mountain option which includes drakes will state you can choose whether they're sapient or not.

>>55017027
>That would be from Infinite Stratos. Brunhilde
Already plan on spending my CP on other stuff

>>55016658
>>55016683
Does he have the Super Soldier formula as well? Because if so, Captain Spider (Spider America?) would be pretty fucking terrifying, especially combined with Cap's shield.

>>55017067
Hmm, in theory having Gamer's Body could do it. Han Jee Han doesn't change shape at all and his skills only advance and never deplete. Though that could arguably be because he never stops grinding. Jury is out on that one

>>55017062
>mountain option

Hands.

I meant "mount option."

>>55017062
I'm trying to imagine a world where humans decided to deal with the mentally handicapped by classifying them as cavalry

Man, dragons are kinda messed up

>>55017010
There's a perk in Sword Art Online, Like Riding a Bicycle.
Double Cross has one of the Neumann abilities, Perfect Performance, that seems to do basically the same thing plus a few extras.

So I'm thinking about restarting my chain and try and only take jumps whose settings I really want to jump. I'm going to try and limit my self to at most 6 jumps who I take solely for the perks and the rest will be stuff I want to jump.

>>55017099
I mean it's either give them as prestigious rewards to your preferred Heroes or Dragonsworn (god that'd feel like such a backhanded compliment) or just... let them take up rookery space?

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>>55017037
How? .... Gacha.... Dungeon Heart shenanigans... companion shenanigans?

>>55017048
I agree to disagree with you, anon.

At max that means that a person can get 1600 (Free-200-200-400-400-400) six Cheats if you taken nothing but cheats. As of right now you can get 1600 (Free-400-400-400-400) five with the same amount of drawbacks and work. It's not actually that much more.

Most builds before Softanon's update seem to get two to three Cheats so I'm not seeing this tactic being used and abused like the above method could be used.

Also have a neat pic for your time. I know that this is kind of a stretched out debate.

>>55017060
That meme was gloriously quoted. Well done Sir/Madam

>>55016876
Dude fuck off. Not everyone who disagrees with your stupid ass is the same person you shitposting fuckpuppet.

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>>55017143
That's extra cheats for cheaper. It means that you can get the cheats you want and have more to spend on other things. It might have a small effect if you only go for cheats, though just one cheat is a pretty big thing, but you're still saving 400CP if all you want is two extra cheats.

>>55017123
I've been doing that with my most recent chain. While I haven't done anything with it for a bit for reasons I've brought up before, it's definitely the most fun chain I've ever done. Good luck anon.

>>55017143
It is the standard "giv all muh worm powers" combo. Only use the Skill Book cheat instead of Sacrificial Bestowment.

Get 8 companions and have them take noble so that they can all choose different cheats. Have the one with Skill Book make a 8 Skill Book skill books. Distribute to everyone else who in turn makes a skill book for their cheats and gives them to you. Done. You now have all 9 cheats.

This may require The Gamer to ensure that everything counts as a skill, alternatively just go back to Sacrificial Bestowment.

You could also theoretically get all the cheats from the Gacha, this probobly won't happen but if you have enough luck perks. . . you would probably get different cheats but that is nice too!

>>55017143
Yes, you are dragging this on even further so you can get more cheats for cheaper. That's all you want. More stuff when you can already get lots of stuff easy.

>>55017183
Ok. Talk to you later when I have something useful to contribute

>>55017140
I can sorta appreciate the cold logic in a way? It's just a lot...colder, than I expected from a series where the force of good is a tangible energy field.

"Oh sure, we can waste resources and effort on making sure Cousin Billy doesn't shit the bed and set the village on fire by locking him away in a sanitorium he'll probably hate...OR, we can make a few bucks by selling him to the puny tiny people! I'm sure he'll LOVE eating out of a trough and sleeping in a barn anyway!"

>>55017191
assuming I need to clean it till it's like new? bout 300 hundred years of work.

>>55017140
>god that'd feel like such a backhanded compliment

...to the Dragonsworn, or the retard dragons so dumb their relatives decided to disown them so hard they are now beasts of burden?

>>55017191
Do you mean all the gore and bits or just like trash and stuff. The second is very, the first is not that much, since I didn't leave anything behind

>>55017266
... Initially I was thinking to the Dragonsworn, but now that you mention it, those drakes still conscious enough would probably develop one hell of a complex after realizing that shit.

Although in the Nether Drakes' case, they do so willingly after the PC works to save the Netherwing from Illidan's Dragonmaw Orcs. So it could also be the case here.

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>>55016651
Man I'm glad you reminded me of the Raimi Jump, I'm gonna go full on Superior on Tobey Maguire

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>>55017143
Math was off by a bit there actually. Forgot to note the 100 CP cost of the origins able to get three cheat choices. So it'd be 1600 (Free-{100}-200-400-400-400) four Cheats if you taken nothing but cheats.1600 (Free-{100}-400-400-400) four with the same amount of drawbacks and work. So its actually the exact same oddly enough. Just with 100 or 300 hanging around afterward.

>>55017199
Actually after taking races into account it's not really more Cheats, as seen above. It is easier access to the Cheats that makes sense for the origin-race to take though, which lies well in the point that some anon, might have been Softanon but I don't wanna misquote, gave that most Isekei stories have more than one Cheat.

>>55017211
Ah I see.

>>55017215
I personally am going to go out on a limb here and state that yeah that is exactly what I want. HOWEVER, I only want it when your Origin-Race would make sense for it, like with Perks and Items.

>>55016088
SCP, take the +0 "not in the Foundation drawback, go FBI UIU, be a cop in Three Portlands, have a generally chill time.

>>55017211
Couldn't you also take Skill Sharing and beat up your 8 companions? It seems faster.

>>55017346
I hope you went goa'uld for Stargate.

>>55017399
Heck 'defeat' them at chess or some shit.

>>55017265
>>55017287
Viscera Cleanup Detail is mostly about the gore, but other incidental messes and trash are also present. "Until it's new" would be "Employee of the Month"-level performance. Admirable, but not actually called for.

We're talking about "Multiversal Sanitation Detail", which specifies "all the fights you got in, or even those that just kinda happened around you" and "you're here for either ten years, or whenever you finish up cleaning up every single mess you made".

Fighting in a way that doesn't leave any gore (kind of impressive, actually) reduces the difficulty of the task, but still leaves the necessity of handling other fight-related messes.

>>55017373
So...you want more cheats cheaper, when the entire point of last threads' discussion was that the cheats were too cheap for the power that they had been upgraded to give.

All you're doing is trying to backdoor in a way around that price increase and it's frankly quite a dirty, sneaky thing.

>>55017432
Welcome to /jc/. Anything for that added teaspoon of benefits.

>>55017404
Yes but then you lose the excuse to beat up whichever companions are constantly getting you into the most trouble.
>This has nothing to do with you blowing up the hotel.
>Are you sure, it sort of feels like it does.
>Nope, doing this entirely for practical purposes.
>Then why do you look so happy about it?
>Because I have been stressed out lately
>. . . Because of the hotel?
>. . . Maybe. . .

If they mix the first & second one it'd be great.

The cheat argument is fucking stupid anyway. There are enough iskai protags that have one cheat that acts like three or more in the jump (Skill Sharing + System + Upgrade). But people who apparently don't read isekai anyway got their panties in a twist, and Softanon is a giant faggot.

>>55017432
>So...you want more cheats cheaper, when the entire point of last threads' discussion was that the cheats were too cheap for the power that they had been upgraded to give.
That was obviously one guy samefagging, considering that it never came up in previous discussions before (yes, never. Read the archive, faggot).

>All you're doing is trying to backdoor in a way around that price increase and it's frankly quite a dirty, sneaky thing.
You tried to backdoor your way into changing the jump, and if Softanon actually had a spine it wouldn't have worked.

>>55017425
Wait how does this apply to environments out doors? Do we need to reconstruct the dirt or something.

>>55017454
Of course. just like you're samefagging now to try and change it back. Totally. Works both ways and makes you look like an idiot when you say it. Try and argue without resorting to samefag calling.

>>55017191
Hmm... on the plus side, I go in for "Technical Pacifism", and so go out of my way to avoid leaving bodies (befriending is more efficient).

On the minus side, I've got lots of healing powers, and fight with a lightsaber, and so often find it efficient to cut off the arms of random villains instead of talking them down, and that's totally going to be reflected in assorted bits being scattered about various battlefields. So yeah, I've got messes to deal with.

>>55017404
Uh, no?

>Whenever you kill something, or, if you are merciful, merely beat them within an inch of their life

>>55017399
It only works once per individual, however.

>>55017495
>It only works once per individual, however.
You only need to do it once per individual to get them all.

>>55017478
Sweep the dirt back into place, I guess.

>>55017493
>fight with a lightsaber, and so often find it efficient to cut off the arms of random villains
"What happened to the enemy?"
"I disarmed him."

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>>55017487
I'm not arguing with you, but calling you out on your bullshit.

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>>55017403
I meant something along the lines of showing up as a villain that tries to prove he is a better Spider-man than Spidey is, but your idea works too.

I took the Iron Spider Armor in Ultimate Spider-man and the Web Shooters so my idea was to play the role of the mad scientist who designed his own spider themed gadgets to one up Spider-man

>>55017534
But the dirt I put back in place would cause other things to leave order. That's the consequence of sending the dirt/dust so high in the air it goes across the nation.

Yeah. :( I would be fucked

>>55017550
riiiiight. You're really contributing anon. Definitely going to convince people to change their minds by contributing to the shit storm.

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>>55017478
VCD includes some maps with outdoor sections, such as the House of Horror. The mops provided remove blood from grass just as well as they remove it from anything else.

Speaking personally, I did Minecraft early, so restoring destroyed dirt is pretty trivial. If you haven't been, and would find that really difficult (and have a fighting style that leaves huge craters?), use your own best judgement.

>>55017536
Yes, I've used that pun before. Batman was not amused.

>>55017432
No I've outright stated my personal views on this. Cheats should have discounts that align with their Origin/Race I've not tried to be sneaky about anything.

Personally part of the issue I have with Cheats is that most of them are rough equals with the capstones of each Origin and I would like them to be around the 300 CP one spends for a discounted capstone, but the idea of just having a few discounted to 200 and leaving the 400 seemed like a decent middle ground.

>>55017573
>riiiiight
>passive aggressiveness
>sarcasm
Wanna know how I know that you're cancer? Besides, I know that I'm not gonna change any minds here, because most people seem to have lost them already.

>>55017595
Yeah, you're going to find disagreements there. Most of the cheats are much better then the perks, even the capstones. 200 was what had people complaining that it was too cheap, reducing the price of multiple cheats to 200 is not the fix here. It is you trying to revert the decision that was just made.

>>55017573
I don't disagree with you, but Softanon is gone for the night. And given the nature of this place, the more you complain, the more shitposters will start fisting you.

So I know it was ruled that the Power Mook Maker in Captain N could create Genesis enemies if you took Console War, but will that carry over to the Monster Factory in Captain SNES if you take the continuity drawback so that Genesis is still around? Was that ever brought up?

>>55017595
Just to jump in here wouldn't it be better to buff the cheats and have them stay more expensive? Some of the better cheats deserve the increased price tags so why not buff the weaker ones up to par instead of lowering the price of all of them?

If they were all as good as Upgrade or Gacha would you still be so mad that they cost 400?

>>55017595
>Cheats are equal to capstones
Noooo. Some of the weaker ones could have an argument for that but stuff like Upgrade blows the capstones out of the water very badly.

>>55017633
They already got buffed because of the power they were at now. Buffing further just brings us back to the old problem because now they're all too good for 400.

it can't just keep happening where it keeps being fucking buffed every time someone isn't happy about getting all the cheats or getting them at a strong enough power level.

You can get a bunch of cheats and they're good cheats.

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>>55017592
Ah, Batman. The guy who would never ever use a gun or kill people.
Pic related.

>>55017646
And? You weren't happy and Softanon increased the price to 400 CP. Should he just listen to your whining alone? Stop being such a little bitch, for gods sake.

>>55017670
After he was already increasing the power of every cheat because you complained they weren't good enough. Don't call me a bitch when you were doing exactly the same thing.

>>55017655
Apparently, he made an exception for Nazis.

Christ, if you ever needed proof of how Isekai fans are the worst, here it is. Powerwankers out in force amigos.

>>55017646
They aren't all that powerful though, some are still a lot weaker than the others. Those ones should be buffed so that they are all on par with the really good ones.

As it stands most people will take Upgrade or Gacha, simply because they are the best. That or use jumper bullshit to get all of the cheats they like.

>>55017681
Stop samefagging.

LADIES.

YOU'RE ALL ONLY ATTRACTIVE TO A BLIND, DEAF, AND NOSELESS MAN.

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK TO YOUR SINGLE-PLAYER POWER FANTASY.

>>55017682
If we're being honest mate, most people complaining about it not offering enough are just going to use the companion cheat described earlier to get all of them for free/very low cost.

>>55017624
I do understand that is the way that people see it but I would like to have my opinion heard by Softanon.

>>55017633
I believe all of them are capstone worthy personally.

>>55017634
Upgrade is a growth by mana cast system and Perception is a copy anything that uses an energy pool though sheer observation.

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>>55017678
Yeah. Hell, Superman's racist.

>>55017695
No, you're not being honest, pal. That was literally just one guy saying he was gonna do this. Not everyone is using perksharing, or even has companions.

Does a For Honor jump yet exist? I thought I saw one last time I stopped by but haven't been able to find it since.

>>55017730
We had a guy attempt For Honor. He gave up after the initial round of criticism.

>>55017691
What does Voldemort have to do with anything?

>>55017681
Yeah, I remember when jumpmakers used to be able to put restrictions on anything they wanted and still get it accepted to the drive. Honestly, the steady influx of SBers has brought nothing but problems to this community, and jumpmakers like Val certainly don't help any.

>inb4 someone gets mad at me for not being "PC"

>>55017715
Upgrade is an upgrade almost anything, including recursive upgrades that let you upgrade better or more in the future. Not a single capstone comes close to it in power or breadth of use.

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>>55017752
>Honestly, the steady influx of SBers has brought nothing but problems to this community

Sorry, but I don't want to go back there.

>>55017191
Considering I've genocided whole solar systems I'd say very.

Hell even if you don't include interplanetary warfare the body count I've racked up is considerable, my philosophy in terms of combat tends to be to always go for the kill and when possible overkill unless it suits my plans better to leave the opponent only maimed

The only two exceptions to that are Superhero Jumps where I enjoy playing the role of the classic no kill rule hero and Fighting Games because I feel it goes against the spirit of the genre, of course if Mortal Kombat gets made it will be an exception to the exception

>>55017764
Perceptive is still better imo.

>>55017752
>Back in my day we only had shit to jump and we liked it.
Go put your rose tinted nostalgia goggles away.

>>55017745
Hello NuBee would you like to weigh in on the Generic Isekai controversy?

>>55017764
And anything that is cast from any energy pool can be copied with Perceptive.

>>55017788
You dang kids get off my property!

>>55017779
What's it do?

>>55017789
Man I fucking hate this powergrab bullshit. At least other jumps put a proper price on their great abilities and don't hand it out so cheaply.

Just makes me disgusted when I see the people that complained about something like Ultimate Lifeform, which cost 1600, have no issue at all with Perceptive being offered for free or 400.

All because a few people just wave it away with It's Isekai

>>55017810
Perceptive is a fucking capstone you dickwad. Why do you even participate in this argument when you haven't even read the fucking jump? You are the most pathetic person I've ever seen in this thread.