Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

>>55010488
Why are their helmets so high.

1st for queek (maiden)headtaker.

>>55010537
It makes them stand out. Otherwise they'd probably look pretty close to humans.

/TG/ is a Skaven Clan, pass it on.

>>55010537
Because GW used to make miniatures for Michael Moorcock's IP which had the iconic pointy helmets for his not-Elves characters. GW then lifted the designs straight to their own Elves miniatures because they didn't feel like paying license fees anymore.

>>55010488
Is 9th dead or no?

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>>55010537

Idunno.

>>55010843
Was it ever alive?

>>55010885
I make the questions here.

>>55010892
Do you really?

>>55010929
Aren't you the funny guy.

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>>55002770
It's not really about a particular action but rather about the emotions surrounding it.

The pride you feel when making a neat kill feeds Slaanesh while the gnawing fear that you might not be able to provide for your family this day that you feel before you go off to hunt gives nourishment to Nurgle.
When talking about Khorne I would say that nothing about the ordinary hunt would bring power to him. Khorne is about rage and hatred. Khorne is the hate you feel for your enemy when you learn about their latest atrocities comitted against your people and family. Khorne is the anger you feel against the wolf that keeps eating your flock.

Also, while I'm on the subject of the The Four's various dominions do anyone feel like warfare, while on the micro-scale belonging to Khorne, is on the macro mostly the dominion of Nurgle? Strategy is ofc, dualy part of both Slaanesh's and Tzeentch's realm of sustenance while geopolitical changes are clealry Tzeentchian but all the other parts seems like they would quite comfortable fit inside Nurgle's sphere of influence, especially if we take into consideration what emotions they result in.
Despair and devastation seems to too key for warfare to not primarily favour Nurgle. The diseases and famines that warfare brings are two very underplayed forces in deciding warfare, especially in a premodern society and the lands becomes full of despair as people flee their homes in search for safety while dreading every moment.The ones who don't flee get to see their homes destroyed. Even something as atrocious as weaponised rape can be viewed from a distinct nurgle agenda as it have the multipled results of instilling fear and a sense of impotence in the populace which inevitable leads to despair at the whole situation while also leading to increased fertility and the spreading of diseases. In fact, as disgusting as it is to think about it rape as a weapon seems like one of the most powerful tools Nurgle can use to gain power.

>>55010976

Meant to quote >>55002814

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do sorceresses serve Khaine or Slaanesh?

>>55010976
No offense, but I feel like a lot of your examples in the first paragraph could easily be focused onto non-Great Four deities.

The pride of a neat kill could be focused in Myrmidia, and to assuage that fear you'd probably pray to Taal before hunting. The hatred you feel for your enemies could be thought of as the righteous hatred of Ulric, and you'd attempt to keep the wolves that attack your flock away by appealing to him and following the proper rituals.

So I guess you could argue more legitimate worship takes power away from the Four - both by having the worship, focus and prayer focused in a different direction, and by allowing the masses to work through their problems with religious ritual, superstition, and general belief in divine intervention. So it's only when you lose faith in those gods, or your rituals get perverted by Chaos worshipers, that Chaos really starts winning.

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First for Lahmian vampire noblewomen.

>>55011047
Neither technically, though those under Morathi tend to serve Slaanesh because she's dirty like that. They have another elf deity that they focus their worship on that I can't remember.

>>55010976
In 40k Nurgle's power grows after periods of great conflict. During war people are filled with anger or focusing on planning the perfect counter attack or whatever.

>>55011047
They wouldnt serve Slaanesh, they would most likely worship the various elven gods in the underworld part of the pantheon called the Cytharai.

>>55010948
am i?

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Scenario from last thread, thoughts?

>>55011047
Slaanesh

>>55011190
The dwarf involvment is stupid.
Stirland is a major trading partner of Zuhfbar. If they attacked Karak Kadrin merchants, the entire province would either starve because the dwarves would withdraw all thair investments, or spur a civil war between Kadrin and Zuhfbar
Also, why would Estalia suport either faction? Bretonnia is a much closer potential ally, and it would nonetheless support the northern factions in the hope to size the southern provinces of the Empire for itself.
Marienburg is also another big potential ally, since it's literally on the line of fire, but apparently everyone forgot about it
Why would the college of magic suffer such a schism? if this was the case, the entire Amber Order would be branded of heresy and annihilated
and these are just the most obvious problems
also
>rat mistress
wat?

>>55011047
Slaanesh. Kahine despises magic.
Dark elves are chaos elves, the whole "evil elven gods" is just lazy writing bullshit that came up in later editions
Up to 6th ed. Malekith had literally thousands of people sacrified to slaanesh. he summoned fucking N'kari

>>55011340
>The dwarf involvment is stupid.
Stirland is a major trading partner of Zuhfbar. If they attacked Karak Kadrin merchants, the entire province would either starve because the dwarves would withdraw all thair investments, or spur a civil war between Kadrin and Zuhfbar

This is something to consider, but there is indeed mass starvation in this war. Notice the millions of civilian dead.

>Also, why would Estalia suport either faction? Bretonnia is a much closer potential ally, and it would nonetheless support the northern factions in the hope to size the southern provinces of the Empire for itself.

The concept is Estalia is already in a war with Bretonnia over territory and Bretonnia is also seeking some of the southern Empire for its own. I remember in the older lore, Bretonnia used to be itching to take southern Imperial territory

>Marienburg is also another big potential ally, since it's literally on the line of fire, but apparently everyone forgot about it

The last reikland emperor, wilhelm III, tried to forcibly take over Marienburg. Marienburg is still pissed about that and hopes that if the north wins the Middenheim emperor's will be more willing to concede

>Why would the college of magic suffer such a schism? if this was the case, the entire Amber Order would be branded of heresy and annihilated

I'm still working on that but mostly I wanted some wizard vs. wizard chaos. atm the basic setup is the Amber Order (which is close to Taal, a Northern God) supports the Ar-Ulric but gets expelled from the Order as a result and sides with some other northern-born wizards from various other orders

>rat mistress
A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

>>55011190
>>55011340
Also all Karak Kadrin's kings are named Ungrim since before the Empire was a thing

>>55011407
>Slaanesh. Kahine despises magic.

Where the hell did you get this idea? The Cult of Khaine uses a ton of magic.

>>55011579
I didn't know this, thanks.

>>55011599
It's literally spelled out in dark elves 6th edition books. Sorceresses cannot be of the cult of khaine because khaine hates magic, so they can't take special equipment restricted to the followers of khaine

>>55011622
And yet Khaine cultists like his assassins use spells, and some cult miracles involve things like binding fucking buttmad spirits to locations or spontaneously resurrecting the dead to torture for information/force to fight.

>>55011558
>atm the basic setup is the Amber Order (which is close to Taal, a Northern God) supports the Ar-Ulric but gets expelled from the Order as a result and sides with some other northern-born wizards from various other orders

Major issue. The main reason the college of magic exist is to protect wizards from witch hunters of the cult of Sigmar. The second the conflict is over the whole amber order would be put at the stake. If you want wizard on wizard action remember that Hergig and Middenheim have their own colleges of magic, albeit smaller than the one in Altdorf

>>55011652
But you see that ain't magic it's "religious devotion"
Khaine is basically a watered down Khorne

>>55011699
Except Khorne doesn't do that shit and chimps out if anyone even HAS a Magic rating in the RPG.

And he certainly doesn't condone things like temples, highly ritualistic and ceremonial torture-murder, and stealth.

>>55011652
The miracles wytch elves pull out are basically combat trance and acrobatics for the most part. Just like WE wardancers

>>55011751
Hence the watered down.

Khore doesn't give a shit about stealth or rituals and neither does khaine. He will not stop them from doing it, he just doesn't care.
Elves are intrinsically magical, they needed some sort of compromise

>>55011675
I'll probably change it to the Middenheim college. This is why I posted it.

>>55012034
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Wizards_and_Alchemists_Guild

>>55011047
Hekarti, Atharti, Drakira. Slaanesh is meme.

I feel like a thirty years war scenerio for the Empire would never happen, as if something as bad as the war did happen it would result in the empire being so weakened it could not effecticly deal with threats from outside the empire.

>>55011407
Personally I kind of like the idea of the elves having a stupidly complex pantheon, with plenty of good and plenty of bad. And it also makes Khaine more interesting to not simply be Khorne by another name, especially if you actually create some distinction between the two.

>>55011753
Assassins do shit like fucking teleport.

>>55011793
>Khore doesn't give a shit about stealth or rituals and neither does khaine

Khorne despises subterfuge.

>>55011190
>Holswig-Schliestein

>>55012755
House Franz from TWW is better name than WFRP nonsense.

>>55010488
I'm suddenly wondering how many HElf & DElf organizations won't be units but instead be Regiments of Reknown.

>>55011558
>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

What the fuck

>>55013006
Wrong.

>>55011558
>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous
How would Skaven know if a child would be hot? Plus, pretty sure Skaven do not understand human behavior enough to teach someone how to seduce, given the lack of seduction in their own species.

>>55013320
This. Going by Skavenslayer, the Skaven have a very poor grasp of human gender politics and certainly no comprehension of what an attractive human constitutes. Also, if the Skaven kidnapped her as a child, how would they even know she'd be beautiful? And how the hell did they train her in human mannerisms like not sleeping in piles of shit, not eating people alive, and bathing?

>>55013320
I've addressed this. Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

The council of 13 is rather suspicious that this plan will go anywhere, but it requires minimal expenditure and risk so they figure why not let this particular Grey Seer do his thing.

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>>55013365
Would they think a really fat chick is hot?

>>55013376
>Plot inconveniences are excused by magic

you actually understand the WHFB setting really well.

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>>55013376
This is some of the most fan fic tier shit I have ever read, but I am almost okay with it.

>>55013376
>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

Yeah, no. That would at best result in some thirteen headed mutant monstrousity.

>>55013320
I wouldn't be surprised if the Skaven stole a really hot prostitute/courtesan, since they recognized that for whatever reason she was a popular breeder, and then used warpstone and magic and science to brainwash her to seduce the Ar-Ulric.

>>55013523
See, that sounds realistic, especially if Clan Eshin is involved.

>>55013491
>Well the books don't have anything saying that this ISN'T attractive to them

>>55013006
Just thought that it was funny that they literally just switched around the parts of real world names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein

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>>55013376

>>55013543
It also kind of makes sense from a Skaven standpoint - why wait years for a kid to grow into the role, instead of quickly making use of what's already there? Maybe the woman already even had liasons with the Ar-Ulric, and it only took a little tweaking to make her into a good enough agent for their will.

And with that a little more tied up, we can address the next part of the problem - how does the Rat Mistress act as the agent of the Skaven in starting this schism? Does she just goad the Ar-Ulric on? Does she use magic to twist his mind, or maybe a specially crafted warpstone device she gives as a gift?

>>55011558
>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

I love the mental image of a grey seer critiquing a human woman and complaining about shit like:
>Two breasts? How the fuck do you feed a litter with those?
>How can your body possible bear your young?
>They only have HOW many kids?!
>IT TAKES NINE MONTHS?!
>HOW HAVE WE NOT TAKEN OVER ALREADY?!

>>55013621
She gets close to him and urges him to act, he initially refuses her but she begins to predict violence against the cult of ulric (that the skaven are actually behind, she's in communication with them). He believes she's his prophet and starts to really listen

>>55013699
Well, I have absolutely no problems with that part, that seems pretty sensible. Though I wouldn't mind a little warpstone in there somehow.

>>55012314
What about the Age of 3 Emperors? Which was a significant portion of their history, mind you.

>>55013365
Certainly there would be human-experts among Skavenkind, given their history of infiltrating human settlements and passing as off as beggars.

>>55013523
>>55013543

Makes more sense that they'd take a kid AND a courtesan, and force her to raise the kid while the rats make sure she's loyal.

>>55013621
Straight influence and feeding skaven information that they can utilise to engineer scenarios that help push the war along.

fyi, Skaven actually do have a pretty good grasp of human culture. They have spies everywhere and need to interact with humans for all these plots to work out. Skaven bribed a human with beautiful women in one of the Gotrek and Felix books IIRC, though they were lying of course.

>>55013126
>not lewd lewd the woman thing

>>55013736
But again, I raise the question - why bother raising the kid? I get that a lot of Skaven plans are surprisingly long term, but kids take a long time to raise into adults, and the cultural differences would be too hard to overcome. Sure, Skaven can speak Riekspiel, but the Ar-Ulric is going to know something's up when she goes 'Faster-faster manthing!' in bed.

I think it makes a lot more sense to just have the courtesan. She knows how to work with Imperial society, she's already attractive and experienced, and it will only take a few weeks, months, at most a year or two of mental conditioning, magic, and warpstone-laced brainwashing.

>>55013841
Have her be a cultist of the Yellow Fang. The Skaven are still behind it, but actual humans have raised her.

>>55013841
Hmm..fair point, but raises the issue of someone from Imperial society going missing for years and the popping back up in Imperial society. And that form of brainwashing is high-cost as opposed to just raising a kid.

Of course, it would make more sense if the skaven were raising a whole batch of humans this way for a variety of purposes.

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>>55013376
>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them,

This sounded weirdly familiar for a second

>>55013376
>Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

The idea of a woman raised on porn and etiquette manuals is hilarious.

Jesus, they made her practice on captured human slaves, didn't they?

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted or to laugh.

>>55013962
That does make more sense, but I still think it'd probably be easier to make use of a courtesan - or if you have a whole cult of humans at hand, make use of the prettiest one who's already an adult. You don't even need to indoctrinate or brainwash her, just maybe use a little magic to make her more pretty or something.

>>55013964
It's a high cost for a short amount of time, vs. a long amount of time with low cost. And then you have to factor in how likely it is to work - even if it's cheaper to raise a kid, if she's just less likely to perform properly due to culture shock or something, it's easier to mindfuck a courtesan even if it's more expensive. Goodness knows Thanquol got away with a lot of stupider, more expensive plots.

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Have humans native to Naggaroth or Lustria ever been mentioned in the fluff? I know theres the Amazons, but iirc they were originally Norscans.

>>55013841
>but the Ar-Ulric is going to know something's up when she goes 'Faster-faster manthing!' in bed.
kek

>>55014156
Passing mentions that the Druchii enslaved a bunch of natives. The Hung also regularly range to Naggaroth, following the seasons.

>>55014156
Pygmies, they are sorta feral halflings rather than racist stereotype negroes.

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>>55014156
Whatever the heck Wiaimen are.

What would a good guard monster for a cult's hidden lair be? One that they could dominate with (non-chaos) woo-woo magic, but which whose presence wouldn't automatically signal to anyone sane that there was something sinister afoot besides an aggressive monster?

>>55014249
Dog.

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All right, /wfg/, I have a question. A super important question of import. It's about the table top.

In 8th ed: Can a unit with the Skirmishers special rule flee from a charge on the enemy turn, and then rally and shoot again on their own turn? My friend feels that this is not the case, but I cannot find any clarification about this.

If not, can they in 9th age? I actually might just straight up jump editions if Skirmishers can't Skirmish.

>>55014249
Depends on the lair, then just pick an animal from the local area that might be living in there. If its a cave then a bear, sewers a giant spider, etc

Okay guys, I have two questions:

One, does Malekith actually fuck his mom at any point, or is it only implied mother-fucking

Two, why does everyone in the warhammer world hate elves? Like, are there actual reasons besides "fuck the pointy eared bastards?"

Is it just bad I spent about $1k making a 3rd/4th edition Skaven army?

>>55015573
>One, does Malekith actually fuck his mom at any point, or is it only implied mother-fucking
She once asked him to "lay in bed" with her, so pretty strongly implied.

>Two, why does everyone in the warhammer world hate elves? Like, are there actual reasons besides "fuck the pointy eared bastards?"
Dwarves=Giant war
Humans=Stuck up bastards, Dark Elf raiders
Lizardmen=colonizing Lustria/Amerigo
Chaos/Greenskins/Undead=pretty obvious

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>>55014249
Giant Spider, Artois Boar, Giant Wolf, Troll, War Lion, Sabertusk, Great Eagle, a Griffon or Hippogryph...

>>55015603
If you're pulling 6 figures then why the fuck not? If you've got no savings, your pension fund is empty, and you have the job security that most people do these days, then maybe you should think on the future some.

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>>55015603
It's not bad if you had one grand's worth of fun painting it!

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>>55010488
>tfw no large racked lothern gf

>>55016304
>elf with big tits
No. Might as well want a loli dwarf.

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>>55016399
>having dwarves in your setting for any other reason than to have sweaty scottish lolis

>>55016119
More like I pull in five figues but I have very little expenses.

>>55016479
>Scottish

Get thee back to warcraft, pleb!

>>55009213
Oh no, not another disgustboner...

>>55016742
you need help.

>>55017609
Probably. The idea of a brainwashed femme fatale raised from birth by mutant ratmen is hardly the worst thing I've got a boner to, though.

>>55014001
>>55013599
>>55013486
>>55013376
>Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

I want some dirty fanfic about this.

>>55016719
If your finances can support a 1,000 dollar loss then you're free to spend it as you wish.

I'd recommend you consider investing in something that pays a dividend though. Making your money work for you is a hell of a thing, especially when you're young and your gains have time to compound over time. If you're on top of your finances and know how much money you could make off opting for a low risk investment, then spending significant amounts of money on overpriced models instead, tends to move you from 'Is this OK? Should I feel bad about this?' to 'X dollars is how much I can spend and feel comfortable.'

It seems counter-intuitive but being confident with personal finance really makes a difference, especially on luxury items - things that make you feel good, but offer no long term return on investment. Knowing how how much you can spend and doing so deliberately gets rid of any guilty feelings you might have about the expenditure.

tl;dr
Buying things you like is nice. Buying them without any uncertainty and doubts gnawing at you is better.

>>55013819
Important skaven like grey seers spend a significant amount of time studying other races in order to interact with them. I wonder how much of it is genuine understanding of other races' behavior and culture and how much of it is rote learning. As in, they know how humans or dwarfs or whatever are likely to act in this or that circumstance and can adapt their own plans accordingly but they just know it from experience and don't quite grasp the psychological mechanisms behind the behavior.

I kind of like the idea that many of them never get it and just chalk it up to "other races are stupid" and therefore they constantly make mistakes in novel situations because they will revert to projecting their own behavior onto other races.

Any good fanfics?

>>55011048
I wholheartedly agree with your comment.
>you could argue more legitimate worship takes power away from the Four - both by having the worship, focus and prayer focused in a different direction, and by allowing the masses to work through their problems with religious ritual, superstition, and general belief in divine intervention.
Sums up to me the perfect rationality for the non-chaos aligned peoples need to create and maintain different gods than the Chaos ones. By focusing your primal emotions, which without guidance or direction feeds the Chaos Pantheon, you basically limit the power you give to the dark gods while simultaneously creating and maintaining gods that can stand in opposition to them.
Your comment is basically the best argument I've ever heard for organised religion.

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>>55018492
Not that I've found so far, although I think there might be something of a presence on ff.net.

The main problem, as I see it, is that WF had its heyday a long time before a lot of the internet stuff that was responsible for fanfic really coming into its own, so it didn't get much don't to it compared to 40k.

I had hoped that Total Warhammer might rectify that to some extent, but so far I've not seen anything to suggest that. Pic unrelated.

>>55018610
True understanders are discussing charlememes

What If/Head Canon questions

Wherein we ask what other anons thoughts are about lore and what-if scenarios, while assuming End of Days never happened since pretty much everyone hates it.

Both of mine pertain to the elves

1. It's noted that Alarielle is largely the one to lead the Helf's forces alongside her consort Tyrion and his brother Teclis, whilst Finubar - his wanderings from earlier in his reign largely ceased - remains ensconsed with his closest advisors working on something.

In End Times lore we are told Finubar was researching and discovering that the Phoenix Kings did not in fact, have Asuryans approval and had cheated the flames and Malekith. This has been regarded as a bad decision and panned by pretty much everyone except Delf fans.

So, WHAT was Finubar ACTUALLY up to? What was his secret project?

2. Elven history pivots on the failure of the princes to elect Malekith as the new Pheonix King despite him being eminently capable. What would have happened if they had? Would Morathi and evil have corrupted him regardless? What shape would Elven civilization have taken?

>>55016304
[Faint Undyne theme]

>>55018709
He would have presided over an evil empire that runs on pillaging and enslaving lesser races, but he wouldn't have felt the need to put spikes on everything and encourage everyone to let the cult of bondage witches steal their babies.

It would be the pest possible result for the gamers, since instead of very similar looking elf armies that dress in black or white you could one faction of evil-but-cultured melnibonéan knockoffs and retain all the cool units from dark elves without their tryhard aesthetic.

>>55018492
Since Age of Sigmar the whole setting is a fanfic :^)

I actually considered doing some writing in the setting but I have some mixed feelings about it.
Writing in general is hard work. It's satisfying when it goes right, and there's a real sense of achievement in crafting a story from start to finish. To writing in an established setting works best when you immerse the reader into that setting and put them right down at eye level in that world. You can also riff off the established lore to build characters by contrasting them with the norm or by playing to stereotypes. This means that you need to do your homework on the places, people, customs, and so on; then apply that to the story. Once you've built the characters and the narrative into the setting they tend not to stand so well on their own, but they serve to really draw the reader into the universe they inhabit.

Doing all that is, like I said, work. Pushing through writers block sucks. Cutting well written but fatty passages sucks. Even to write a short novel you're looking at 100+ hours of graft - at least for me. Once I've put that much time and work into a project I usually want to share it. This is where things go wrong. If I just dump it here as a PDF then at least a few people in the thread will read it, plus probably repost and spread it to other places like reddit. If it turns out popular I can hope to see interest for more, possibly including some paypal donations or patreon money. That's cool and all but if I spent the same time and effort to write a story in, say, 40k, then I can expect a lot more people to read it, like it, and throw me some beer money for the pleasure.

>>55019359
Malekith wasn't cruel before he burned and put on iron crown.

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>>55019359
We can keep the naked berserker women though, right?

>>55019376
Cont.

Getting paid to do something is really a gamechanger, since if I can drum up enough cash it'd let me do it full time and still pay my bills. If I'm looking to get to that point then I want to have at least some hope of keeping it going. If GW sees me making money off their IP they're going to Cease and Desist me in a heartbeat. From that point I have 2 options. Tear my story loose from their IP, do a huge re-work and hope to pull the same trick Fifty Shades of Grey did to Twilight; or try to swing whatever clout I've built from my fanbase push GeeDubs to publish through Black Library. I'd much prefer the latter option since it'd make me a 'real' author, saves the wholesale re-write and any possible legal struggles that re-written book might face, and most importantly lets me keep to my initial desire of writing for the WH setting. The End times and GWs push to move to AoS really makes me question the chances of things going down that road though. My odds for getting GW to publish me for a setting they're trying to leave behind are simply much thinner than if I did the same thing for 40k.

It might sound a bit miserly, but like they say "If you're good at something never do it for free." If I write well enough that people want to read what I produce then I want to get paid for it. Making a living doing something you enjoy is pretty much the name of the game in life. Letting the opportunity slip would eat me forever.

>>55019378
>murdering someone isn't cruel

Uh

>>55019400
There is difference between murderer and fantasy Nero-Caligula-Stalin.

>>55019376
>>55019384
I can't argue with your logic, but as a fellow writer (of fanfic and original stuff alike), I have to say that I find your coldhearted pragmatism, well disheartening.

>>55019378
So he would have been the model of a well mannered phoenix king, generous to his subjects and vassals. He'd still definitely be like, hey let's conquer Cathay, I bet they've got some weird drugs, incidentally you guys should step up the dark magic research at the Tower of Hoeth.

>>55018709
If Malekith didn't have his titanic chimpout, he probably never would have betrayed the dwarfs, or done so rather later.

>>55013819
>>55018488
Thanquol is noted as being an expert on humans.

>>55019378
Yes he was, that's why he wasn't considered for the position of Phoenix King.

>>55019431
I'm a small business owner. I meet wonderful people every day. They're polite to me, they smile when I arrive, they offer me a drink while I work. Then I make as much of money from them as I can.

It's hard to talk to people who've never done it about the mindset it breeds into you. Employees don't feel bad about badmouthing their boss, if they negotiate a pay rise they're sticking it to the man, they're the underdog. When you're the boss you are the man. When my employees complain I have to listen to them, separate real grievances from grumpiness at having to work for their pay, take in criticism of the business I've poured heart and soul into without getting upset or defensive. When I can pay myself more it's because I built a leaner, more competitive company, and avoided passing those benefits onto anyone else. When I get up in the morning there's no one making me do anything. I can do whatever I want. All the discipline and toughness required to succeed has to come from me.

When I'm doing work - any work - then I have my business head on. Always.

>>55019854
If that seems calculating and ruthless to you then that's fine. If you're living easy and wish to continue to do so then that's your choice to make. You're unlikely to go far in the world and you almost certainly won't achieve your full potential, but living a comfy life might suit you. Some people like the easy life and some people are very, very hungry. I know which camp I'm in. You don't need to feel badly about it. All that 'Be yourself', 'Special snowflake' stuff Barney went on about has a hefty grain of truth in it. Pursuing happiness means your own idea of what happiness is. Just because my idea of a fulfilling life is different to yours doesn't mean your goals, your vision is wrong in any way. Diversity of ideas and ideals is what makes life interesting. I'm much more disheartened to meet employees who're chafing under someone else's rules and who would be much better off on their own; or people who inherited a company and feel obliged to try and take the helm when it's clear that all they want to do is follow someone else's lead and not have to carry the responsibility.

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>>55019854
>>55019861

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>>55019933
>filename

>>55019949
That's Norsca for you.

>>55019861
(not the anon you were responding to)

Not disagreeing with any of this in a general sense but does this really apply to the type of writing we're discussing here? I know nothing about writing as a business so I am probably talking out of my ass but can you really make it far in the world as a professional fanfic writer or even as a licensed GW author? I imagine it's a pretty niche market.

How are common orcs as a tarpit/speedbump? I need something to tie up enemies while chaos dwarfs advance, and orcs seem like a decent choice with their T4.

>>55020026
>can you really make it far in the world as a professional fanfic writer or even as a licensed GW author?
'Far in the world' doesn't need to mean how big your house is or how much money you make, it can also just mean being as good as you can be in a given field.

If I want to write, be it fanfics or otherwise, I want to do it as well as I can.

To achieve your potential in anything takes practice and practice takes time. To be able to spend time doing something you almost always need to make money doing it - baring being able to spend 15 hours a day getting good at videogames while your parents clothe and feed you. I might win the lottery and be able to spend the rest of my life writing whatever I want with no need to worry about paying my bills but those are long odds at best. If I write as an amateur in my free time I might be able to produce something decent and worth reading, but it's never going to be up to the height of my potential if I'd been writing full time. That irks me.

Like I say: people have different goals. If writing a decent book in your free time makes you happy go for it. Writing something that I could have written better doesn't sit right with me.

>>55020066
They're probably fine, depending on how many points your prepared to invest in them. I'd go with shields on them as well.

>>55020384
Shieds are one reason why I considered them, since goblins with hand weapons (for parries) are too hard to get. Hobgoblins too.

I'm still new to the area and checked out the FLGS this weekend, and saw they still have a Tomb King Horseman box. Get or no get? I may use them for Mordheim stuff.

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In AOS, GW renamed Vampires to Soulblights for more trademarkability. Guess nobody at GW has played pic related. I got deja vu from the name then went "oh wait."

What stupid name will GW come up with next for Vampires now? Bloodguzzlers?

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>>55010488

Is this the appropriate place to post about Warmaster? I've been making paper tokens to play in absence of real miniatures. Pic related is a sample 1,000pt Bretonian army I tossed together.

My eventual plan is to have tokens for all the army lists, but the going is slow. So far I've got armies for Orcs & Goblins, Empire, Bretonia, Dogs of War, High Elves, and Beastmen. Of those, I only have complete tokens for the Empire and (almost) High Elves.

What edition to people here play btw? 6th, 8th, 9th Age or something else?

If you play 8th, do you use the Warhammer Armies Projects books? I'm interested in trying out the Dogs of War army, or doing an Araby army.

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>>55020507
Apparently there is also a game on Steam by that name. At least that's what the first google hit is.

Are there any good novels with the Warriors of Chaos as protagonists?

>>55021363
Warhammer: End Times.

>>55010537

Because they're high elves

>>55021267
Oh, looks like said game isn't released yet, so I'm sure the GW legal team is currently drafting a C&D after browsing this thread.

>>55020507
All the terrible unit naming is hands down the worst thing about AoS in my opinion. Even worse than scrapping the actual setting. How ass-ravaged was GW about not being able to copyright the term "Space Marine" that they now feel the need to claim ownership of something as generic as a skeleton with a bow by calling it a "SOULBLIGHT DEATHRATTLER DARKFLIGHT DOOMBOW".

Is your social life as dead as your game? Are you bored out of your mind? Do you, too, want to complain about GW or anything else*? No? Neither do I, so why not join this Discord centered around /tg/. https://discord.gg/GBcypkT

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>>55021689
Discords are the death of generals.

>>55020365
So do you never write anything for fun?

Are there any good Skaven-focused books? I wanna hype myself for TW:WH2

>>55020919

gimme those greenskins, senpai

>>55021577
It's not GW has a history of thoughtful naming conventions. A lot of the Lizardmen special characters are named after puns. A lot of other stuff is just straight up references.

>>55021386
He asked for good stuff.

>>55021946
I know, the whole End Times was absolutely hilarious.

>>55013652
>HOW HAVE WE NOT TAKEN OVER ALREADY
>as he fends off another assassination attempt

>>55021887
The Lizardmen special mounts were also named after Dinobots too. Such as how Kroq-Gar rides on Grymloq.

Is Gelt most powerful human mage?

>>55022338
Technically that would be Nagash.

>>55022363
He isn't human, Malekith is more human than him.

>>55022378
Nagash has transcended mere humanity. He's the greatest wizard that ever lived, which must gall the likes of Tzeentch and the elves.

>>55012509
Personally Teleportation is a gift i could well see khorne bestowe on someone. get faster to the slaughter and shit

>>55022552
Khorne doesn't do magic, period.

>Against Kargharak himself, no strike had yet proved telling. Spears snapped against his impenetrable hide and his axe swept away ranks at a time. The rapid push back threatened to become a rout at any time
>At that moment the Bechafen Halberdiers stepped forwards into legend

>>55022591
Neither does khaine

>>55022591
He did once, in the form of divine magic like the one of warrior priests.

remember the blood stones?

>>55021577
"Honey, I found a prime real estate location in the Realm of Death. We just have to deal with the constant Rain of Corpses, but we get this lovely view of the Burning Blood Bridge. What do you mean, you want a divorce?"

>>55022378
Nagash was born human and he was very powerful even before he became a super lich.

>>55022822
Who was Nagash's mother, I wonder. Is her reanimated skeleton wandering around Nekehara wondering how it all came to this.

>>55022880
No idea, I never bothered reading the Black Library books.

>>55022898
Me neither, I've a feeling they wouldn't have dwelt much on it, though.

>>55022925
Apparently the author never read Arkhan the Black's backstory and just made up his own shit.

>>55022818
The one thing I like about AiDs is that I can run blatant magical realm armies and no one cares because they're too busy fapping in joy or rage about stormcucks.

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>>55022940
I've never understood how any someone could do that for work they're being paid for.

I've done more research than that writing fucking fanfiction for fuck's sake.

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>>55021858

>>55022966
Apparently he didn't know the info existed. Which either tells me that BL didn't make the information available, that he didn't ask for it or that the BL editorial department doesn't care.

>>55022769
Demonstrably wrong.

>>55022785
And at one point in the game the skaven were just beastmen, and at a point before that dwarfs did magic, and even further back Chaos didn't exist.

>>55021850
Skavenslayer is great.

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Do you lot suppose at one point it was implied that Malus Darkblade was going to be the sorcerer to slay Malekith? I mean, Warpsword of Khaine, son of a sorceress, dreams of usurpation...only thing he didn't do was magic, and it's not like there was no time for him to learn.

>>55023143
Probably. He is another Elric clone and Elric does contributing in the destruction of his own kingdom.

>>55022191
>>55021887
Cheeky puns are different than the current trend of smashing together a bunch of "edgy" nouns and verbs and then maybe shifting around a vowel or two.

>>55023143
Is he the firstborn son? He also needs an army of terrible beasts.

>>55023462
Dad jokes are still not a great naming convention.

>>55023480
Firstborn son of his mother.

>>55023512
Tenenhuain GW names are cheeky puns. Then again, they probably think Tik'Tak'To is deep and strategic.

>>55023533
Dad jokes are cheeky puns.

Just got back into this horrible money sink hobby recently.

Does the Games Workshop website ever do online sales?

>>55023579
No, but you can get a discount in stuff like Start Collecting boxes.

>>55023011
>Chaos didn't exist.
and nothing of value was lost

>>55023616
No hope either for the big starter boxes like Dark Linoleum some way down the line?

>>55023143
I thought the prophecy was always misinterpreted and it implied something about chaos and shit
But it always sounded like some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy

>>55022966
GW never gives his author any source or information. They just say "It's like, a necromancer or some shit, m8, just do your thing"

GW is literally the epitome of Britbongs being britbongs

Y'know, I get that Chaos in the narrative sense is frustrating. The "The gods are all powerful lol if you piss them off they can turn you into a chaos spawn wherever and whenever you are they're just using 0.0001% of the power level because they're doing this for fun lol!" shit is annoying.

But I do have to say, I like how they turned the standard idea of the forces of evil upside down. Usually when the dark tide comes knocking, it's a few plucky brave elite against the ravening hordes, weak individually, but an endless tide of doom that threatens to smother the few glimmering lights of goodness in the world.

Chaos, it's different. Chaos warriors, chosen, exalted heroes and all that, are better than you. The forces of good aren't the elite. They're a hastily organized rabble that aren't strong enough to take on a chaos warrior one on one. Good is weaker than evil. So good has to cheat. It has to be clever. It has to be unsporting. Taking down legendary awful beasts with cannon fire and musket volleys. Standing toe to toe with darkness is suicide, but the state troopers do it to buy time for a charge of knights in the back.

That's basically the most unique thing about Chaos in my opinion, when it doesn't go overboard into 'lol everything is just chaos gods playing around all is useless faggos :^)" shit.

>>55023767
I'm not even mad about the other gods being the offspring of chaos. What i hate is despite they pushed the "chaos always wins" shtick, they never actually enforced it beside the "chaos always win" ending shoehorned into everything.

Chaos doesn't sound menacing, he's not a threatening force of evil, Chaos shouldn't even be evil (as chaos is by nature neutral). Chaos is literally the child that throws a hissy fit at the playground and then goes home taking the ball with him. it's not menacing, it's annoying
Shit, if even I, who never wrote anything ever, could do something with more consistency that what GW made. Chaos is going to win in the end, but there's no need to make it so doomsday prophecy-like. Enthropy eventually always wins, and therefore chaos will win, only to start the cycle again because that's what chaos does.

Games Workshop's chaos is essentially a cool concept done poorly that ended up being annoying rather than actually fascinating

>>55022338
If we consider only living mages and not historical characters, the only ones who rival him are Kemmler, the Fay Enchantress (who might be an elf), and Tzarina Katarin. Thyrus Gormann lost his position to him and Elspeth von Draken is from another timeline. That's all human lvl 4 casters.

>>55018709
>In End Times lore we are told Finubar was researching and discovering that the Phoenix Kings did not in fact, have Asuryans approval and had cheated the flames and Malekith. This has been regarded as a bad decision and panned by pretty much everyone except Delf fans.

It was established long before End Times that Phoenix Kings after Aenarion cheated the flames.
Morathi was suspicious at the priests and mages at Bel Shanaar's ceremony and says to Malekith that his father didn't need such protection to pass through the flames.
Malekith himself notes that the flames had somehow dimmed and lessened after Bel Shanaar's passing, as if they've been tainted by his presence, but he says nothing.
His best chance to become king was actually right then and there: he could've challenged Bel Shanaar to enter the flames without protection and let Asuryan judge him. If Bel Shanaar refused, Malekith could easily claim that he is not worthy to be Phoenix King.

>>55023143
>son of a sorceress

When was the comic written again? Was it before the 6th edition armybook that says that sorceresses aren't allowed to form relationships, or is this just Abnett being Abnett?

>>55023676
I wouldn't get my hopes up.

>>55023767
>"The gods are all powerful lol if you piss them off they can turn you into a chaos spawn wherever and whenever you are they're just using 0.0001% of the power level because they're doing this for fun lol!"

That's not how it works, you turn into a spawn after being rewarded too many times.

>>55024184
He was an illegitimate son.

>>55024229
Of a witch elf, not a sorceress.

>>55024261
And the prophecy refers to a firstborn son of noble blood. Does a witch elf count as nobility? Or a sorceress, for that matter.

>>55024261
She's a sorceress.

>>55024306
Malus IS of noble blood, on dad's side at the very least. Enough that he eventually takes Hag Graef for his own (after the storyline ends).

>>55014388
The 8th edition rulebook states that a rallied unit can't attack in the shooting phase, nothing in the skirmisher rules overrides this. No idea if 9th Age is the same though.

>>55019955
You mean little Araby right?

>>55024847
*Bretonnia

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>We're getting Fimir fanart in 2017
Than you CA!

>>55024121
>neither Malekith nor Bel Shanaar were worthy to become the Phoenix King prior to the End Times

So I guess it would have been the kids of Aenarion's first wife who would have been worthy. Or if not them, then no elves at all.

>>55025526
It was Ghelt all along.

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Listen, pointy eared weirdos walking through bonfires is no basis for a system of government!

>>55025703
Then you can fuck off and live in Naggaroth. I'm sure they'll be happy to have you.

>>55025703
"If I got drunk and stuck my head in a barbecue and called myself emperor, they'd lock me up!"

which of these novels would you guys recommend? I'd like something about vampires.

>>55025932
that one

>>55025932
The one to the left.

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>>55013320
>steal a young girl to become le ultimate seductress
>force-feed her until she's so fat she can barely move
>now she's the most beautiful breeder in the underempire

>>55024104
Wouldn't the named Chaos Sorcerers also count as human?
Vilitch the Curseling and Egrimm van Horstmann seems like they would atleast place.

>>55025337
>the Warpstone version will be forever ignored.

>>55025932
The first couple of Ulrika novels.

>>55026906
I'm not sure Viscount Pygman counts as a human but Egrimm probably does.

>>55015573
>>Malekith saw desire and fear in equal measure in the face of his mother and his love for her stirred him. He laid an arm about her shoulders and pulled her close to him. She quivered, though whether from anxiety or excitement he could not tell.

This is pre burning btw

>>55027365
One of the rulebooks also says, out of narrative, that there are unconfirmed rumors that Malekith has a sexual relationship with his mother.

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I've been tinkering around with a new list, as I've been wanting to try out that seemingly sweet chosen + warshrine combo and came up with this one. What do you guys think?

++ Standard (Warriors of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [1997pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords +

Chaos Sorcerer Lord [365pts]: Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4
. Chaos Mutations & Powers: Scaled Skin
. Magic Items: BRB - Charmed Shield, BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Talisman of Preservation

+ Heroes +

Exalted Hero [203pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Mark of Nurgle, Shield
. Chaos Mutations & Powers: Hideous Visage
. Magic Items: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Ironcurse Icon, BRB - Luckstone, BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes

+ Core +

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chaos Warhounds [45pts]
. 5x Chaos Warhound: 5x Mutant Poisons, 5x Vanguard special rule

Chaos Warhounds [40pts]
. 5x Chaos Warhound: 5x Vanguard special rule

Forsaken [378pts]
. 18x Forsaken: 18x Forsaken of Slaanesh

+ Special +

Chaos Warshrine [135pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chosen [441pts]
. Champion
. 18x Chosen: 18x Mark of Nurgle, 18x Shields
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness

++ Total: [1997pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

My thinking was that I would put the two Chariots on one flank. Next to them I would place the forsaken, who, together with the chariots should ideally be able to make quick work off of the opponents flank while my Chosen, supported by the Warshrine and shielded by the hounds, make their way over the table while the gorebeast chariot guards my other flank.

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>>55027909
I understood that reference.

On a TWW related note, I got a companion-dude that improves the stats of Empire Spearmen and Crossbowmen...with a Bretonnian Lord. And I'm not even using mods.

>>55027958
>A dorf fus-ro-da ed the temple of sigmar
kek.
thoughts on the campaign map guys?

>>55017747
You and me both dude.
Need more Skaven lewds.

>>55028353
stop

>>55028119
What campaign map?

>>55028382
>>55028382
>>55028382
total warhammer 2 campaign map they showed.

>>55028382
Make me, manthing.

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>>55028497

>reading big 8th edition rulebook
>get to Volganof
Why is Mortkin such a drama queen?
Guy takes Khornes cumrag and rapes her until she can't live without his dick, and after killing one guy he just tells the gods to piss off and gets run over and dies?
All because he what, was upset the place where he grew up got razed to the ground? It's Norseca, they do that shit to themselves.

>>55028784
Chaos makes a person a hypocritical asshole.

>>55028784
are you talking about valkia?

>>55029063
Yes, Khorne's consort.

>>55029097
what's this thing about raping?

>>55029500
He fought her to a standstill until she begrudgingly accepted his skill.

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>>55029688
Beating Valkia isn't really an achievement.

Are the Daimoiselles du Grail still canon?

My general rule of thumb is, if it isn't outright contradicted or changed by later lore, older lore is still canon. But does the idea of women voluntarily serving as nuns, when the Lady of the Lake is not supposed to have a priesthood beyond Damsels, contradicting or something that can work?

>>55029833
He did it alone with no magic.
Perhaps more impressively he wrestled a two-headed giant with his bare hands into submission.

>>55030381
Certainly possible in the Knights of the Grail era, where most Grail Chapels are attended, oddly, by very devout peasants (there's far too many chapels across Bretonnia for them all to have a Damsel or Grail Knight).

>>55029833
>>55030506
This is exactly the sort of shit I'm talking about how the later novels just aren't interesting. We've got an annoying smarm-spitter doing things that aren't just physically impossible by physically unbelievable, DBZ-esque 'heh I punched the battleship in half' spectacle shit.

Even powerful characters like Gotrek, when they did something mighty, got fucked up. And it wasn't a sure thing.

>>55030684
I like how total war keeps the power levels of lords and heroes. They can seriously fuck up an army but counters will kill them with extreme prejudice.

>>55025526
>So I guess it would have been the kids of Aenarion's first wife who would have been worthy. Or if not them, then no elves at all.
Really, it's contradictory as is. Aenarion was Asuryan's chosen, it didn't say a damn thing about any of his children. Or even the concept of a Phoenix King as a whole. That was just cooked up by the elven princes who thought unifying a male ruler with the Everqueens that had previously ruled them was a great idea.

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>>55030724
It depends on the lord, especially the Legendary ones. Grimgor and Leoun are both combat beasts, while comparatively Azhag and Kemmler are not worth the effort even for their out-of-battle bonuses. Most Lords are good against enemy Lords, but duelists are even better while at a lot of risk from regular units.

Though generally, I wonder why bother with caster Lords - Prophetesses, Master Necromancers, that sort of thing. Even with a melee hero, they're dangerously at-risk due to how flimsy and weak they are in combat.

>>55030684
Yeah, BL basically turned into capeshit and this is very much reflected in AoS.

>>55031017
>Grimgor
>goblins

>>55031017
I use a mod that unlocks half their abilities from the start, making them versatile at low levels and allowing them to specialize in army support as well as magic.

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>Bretonnians never do anything fun

>>55031940
Just say the lady sent them, those stupid goys will believe anything that elf says.

>>55031958
bretonnians are the best goys.

>watching the campaign map reveal for total warhammer 2.
>the new world looks so pristine and comfy.

>>55032033
Too bad it's full of dark elves and pepe memes.

>>55032127
well that's what teclis is for.
Also waiting for the day 1 human factions mods.

>>55032127
Just lie real life

>>55027478
Fuck you think you are? This general is for video games and Bretonnian lore only.

>>55032632
Don't give him that bullshit, anon. We've gotta keep the wargame alive.

>>55032894
Game's dead dude, it's been dead for a while now.

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wtf does 1d0 mean here? Did they mean 1d10 and somehow make the same typo twice?

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>>55031017
>only playing the most statistically superior lords

>>55033388
Well, having literally zero knowledge of what what that book is or what system that even comes from, I'd interpret it to mean "0 + Whatever flat modifiers there might be".

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>>55033024
>Don't talk about WFB in the WFB general

>>55033388
Well it's not going to be d100 and the system runs on 10 sided dice, so make a wild guess.

>>55034629
>1d0
>1
>d
>0

>>55028784
Because Mortkin was a Norscan before being a chaos lord, and a true warrior, rather than a chimp in chaos overdose

In short don't you talk bad of my boy Mortkin

>>55028418
Shit.

>>55024207
Both actually.

What is the fictional character from other media and products that can be related to whfb characters the best?
Example: Malekith>Eric cartman

A completely and irredemably evil sociopath who has clear problems of self entitlement and co-dependance from his mother. A guy who unironocally believes that he deserves something the moment he wants it just because he does, and will stop at nothing to have his way. Not to mention the stupidity and sadism, which give him a sort of low cunning and the ability to manipulate, cheat and in general make other suffer for his own advantage.

Not to mention the delusions of grandeur and the idea that he's right and everyone who disagrees with him is a literal jew

>>55034900
The skaven are Starscream. All of them.

>>55034983
Kek

>>55030684
Don't the high tier mages do shit like that though? The Slann could make mountain range to screw with their enemies.

>>55035354
Yes but slann mages are a category on their own, and even then can pull that shit only through collective effort and long rituals. The only one who could do that on his own is Kroak, but he's so stupidly powerful he's basically a demigod

How hard are miniatures on round based to rank up if they're on a tray?

>>55035755
Easier than squares.

Why did the Old ones abandon ship? Were they having a galactic wide disaster and the warhammer world is one of thousands that had polar gate collapses? Were they just jobbing shitters who couldn't be fucked to salvage the situation?

>>55035761
Well that solved the decision quick. Thanks anon!

>>55035767
They were attacked by the Necrons. They could afford wasting resources one a single world when their entire empire is being besieged by the C'tan and Necrons.

>>55034900
>Malekith
>stupid

>>55034983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kEAC7pEPLI

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>>55027478
Give it a go, Anon. Thats the best way to find out if it'll work or not
I was itching to try out a Herohammer Wood Elf list for a while and finally did it last weekend
It was fun but it wasn't all that great, let me tell ya
I did win but mostly because my Wild Riders did an unholy amount of work
Also turns out you can make a decent Glade Lord blender with Ogre Blade and Armour of Destiny
dude killed saurus with every swing, didnt fail a single hit or wound roll

>>55035871
All things considered, Malekith is kind of an idiot

>>55036077
His only mistake is that he doubted himself at the last minute as he was in the flame. If he had stayed in there and endurance that moment,then nothing he did would be seen as wrong. Also his body wouldn't have emerged burned.

>>55036098
Well in the End Times yeah
in the actual big boy lore he really was a cunt

>>55036098
That is shit lore good for AoS
Malekith is and has always been a chaos worshipper with delusions of being too cool for skool

>the S4 bow went to High Elves and not Wood Elves
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
I WANT MY WAYSTALKER TO HAVE ACCESS TO S4 SNIPING REEEEEEEEEEE

>>55036138
As far as i remember WE bows have S4 in short range

But then again i'm talking 6th ed here

>>55036119
>he really was a cunt

Being a cunt has nothing to do with being wrong or right.

>>55036151
I wish we still had that rule
instead it's just S3 across the board with AP
There are the two x-fire arrow types that grant you +1 to wound now but those require you to know what the other guy is bringing since they work on either order or destruction

>>55036155
Malekith was never right. Fucking Tyrion was more right than him

>>55036175
>order
>destruction
Dude are you sure you're in the right thread?

>>55036181
Cuckolding your friend is never right.

>>55036194
Yes? Look in the BRB, the armies are divided into Forces of Order and Forces of Destruction
there's also two neutral armies (Ogres and Tomb Kangz)

>>55036196
True. I too would have liked to see tyrion get his shit kicked in, but malekith is even worse

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>>55036209
>>55036194
Got up and looked it up in my book, page 139 in the 8th ed BRB

>>55036209
Ok then. Yeah it's shit. Play 6th instead, it's better in every way

>>55027909
>>55027958
What's the reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vq6EORl57A

>>55036254
the..
take a second look at the images Anon

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Malekith's greatest problem is that his mother is fucking insane and he can't bring himself to kill her because she's the only person in the whole world he cares about (after Snorri died).
If Morathi wasn't around he'd be a pretty cool guy.

>>55036304
He loved Ariel's sister before Morathi killed her.

>>55036320
That shit was added in 8th edition out of nowhere and served no purpose whatsoever.
It was literally never even mentioned he was married before that.

>>55036343
It was logical that prince of Elven Empire had wife, not only his mother Queen to have sex with.

>>55036304
>malekith
>caring about snorri
Daily reminder that it his fault entirely if Grombrindal cannot find peace and only the death of all dark elves will ever be able to appease him

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>>55036355
He cared about his only friend before he was burned and went insane.

>>55036368
Malekith never cared for anyone but himself.

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>>55036416
>it's stated that he cares about his father a lot and wants to honor him as best he can
>it's literally stated that he spared his mother because he loved her
>Malekith himself admits that a part of him died along with Snorri and he never again allowed himself to know friendship so he would never feel such loss again
>LOL, Malekith never cared about anyone because I say so

Okay.

>>55036351
Eh, aside from feeling like a hamfisted attempt to finish off the Darth Vader reference, I feel like him having no wife, despite his position, serves as an early hint that there's something not entirely right about this guy.

>>55036452
Malekith isn't Archaon or Nagash, he at least cares about Morathi.

>>55036368
>>55036452
Is this 8th edition? Because it sounds like 8th edition

>>55036293
Is it just that the TW one is referencing the Warhammer one?

>>55036368
I wonder if he ever sits alone on his black iron throne, all those thousands of years later, twisted in mind and body, and thinks on how there's nothing so foul in the world as an oath-breaker.

>>55036474
yes

>>55036470
Sundering series.
That's way before 8th edition.

>>55036488
Is it before 6th ed?
Because otherwise it means nothing and has no importance

>>55036521
>it's not canon if I don't like it

Just stop.

>>55036521

Malekith: A Tale of the Sundering released 2008 right in the middle of 7th edition.

>>55036525

Doesn't everyone basically have their own canon? Especially with all the variable quality in background writing GW has always had.

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>>55032632
Kek
>>55036076
I will definitly give it a go. I was just curious if anyone had experience with a similar set up.

>>55036542
>Doesn't everyone basically have their own canon?

Yeah, that's called fanfiction. Especially when it contradicts canon material.

>>55036478
Okay.

>>55036521
Man-child spotted.

>>55036556
Warhammer has never being about canonicity. If you can't accept that you're an idiot and an autist.

That "canon material" you like so much contradicts itself all the time

>>55036556

Fair point.

Like I feel Ogre Kingdoms don't fit at all and kinda ignore them but I'm not going to freak out if someone else loves them.

It's my canon that dwarves are the best archers in the old world.

>>55036602
Bah, everyone knows that trolls are the best archers in the world.

>>55034983
Not true.

Grey Seers are mostly Cobra Commander.

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>>55036098
>AoS

Carnac, if you think you can switch from sucking off Faglakor to sucking off Malekith and we won't notice, you're wrong. Besides, he has his mommy for that.

>>55036620
What? Trolls are the best bright wizards and cavalry, you imbecile.

>>55036575
>>55036556
>>55036525
We don't do End Times/Age of Sigmar lore here.

>>55036587
Sooner or later you're going to have accept that the world doesn't revolve around you.
No one is saying you can't have your own headcanon, but raging against canon lore because you don't like it is just autistic.
And if the lore contradicts itself, newer lore prevails unless said otherwise by whoever owns the world and it's lore.
So fuck off.

>>55036678
>trolls are the greatest horse archers in the world
>they don't know it because they don't know how to make bows nor there are horses strong enough to carry them
Like pottery

>>55036690
As I said, man-child spotted.

>>55036690
We weren't talking about End Times or AoS, genius.

>>55036716
8th lore is ET lore.

>>55036697
>>55036709
Did GW update their paid shillposting from a nickel to a dime or something, or are you lads just volunteers from your dead general?

No one here cares.

>>55036806
Except we were talking about Sundering series which is 7th edition lore. Then the retard started spouting that everything after 6th edition doesn't count.
Can you even read?
Jesus Christ.

>>55013376
And now i want some lewd lewds of this thing thing.

>>55027478

2 chariot on one flank means that a random cannonball could jeopardise your plan

>>55037028
How many plans are not in jeopardy of having a cannonball fly though them?

>>55037037
Hordes

>>55036175

why use them if you can take POISONED ATTACKS?

like, they're both statistically inferior to poison.

The other good one is the "no penality to shooting" one

>>55037037

the ones in which you balance your forces equally on both flanks

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Could he defeat Malekith?

>>55037050
Hordes with no leaders to unfuck their ld?

>>55037061
There aren't many regular troops who can have poisoned attacks

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>>55015603
>mfw I found a 4k+ point skaven army for $150 because some guy just wanted to get rid of it
He even threw in a box of bits that made another doom wheel and a plague furnace. The only downside were some hilariously bad paint jobs I fixed up.

>>55037131

All WE archers except waywatchers can pick them. Expecially your core troop

>>55021850
Headtaker is the best written skaven book. It shows them in a non-comical light.
Queek is mad and vicious, Sharpwit is ACTUALLY competent and clever, and plot does well. It's in high contraSt to Thanquol books were he is literally a fucking failure even among skaven and constantly acting like a cartoon villain with the equivalent of "I'll get you next time dr.quest!".

Would a skaven doing something selfless (such as picking up the fellblade of their own accord) be a sign of madness for one of their kind?

>>55037322
More like a sign of weakness. Somthing to be taken advantage of. No one would ever believe it was selfless, and most likely start planning for your eventual end goal betrayal by killing you first.

>>55037306
Would you mind providing a quick summary? The online stuff is a bit succinct or confusing.

>>55037285
That sounds stupidly broken and WoW-tier powercreep

>>55037418
Of the book? I mean, I won't spoil the plot, but pretty much karahk Azul is making some pretty nasty axes and the council of 13 wants it sabotaged. Then send queek (the most brutal and skilled warlord skaven has to date, but also quite insane), sharpwit (probably THE authority on dwarven society and wisest council) to keep queek in line, and razzle (a greyseer) who's probably there just so the greyseers feel included.

It 70% skaven focused with a few chapters with dwarves just to show the protag vs. Antag dialogs.it has just enough intrigue to keep you guessing and really seals the deal on how skaven operate.

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WFRP DMs! What sort of penalty do you think fighting on stairs should impose, if any? Let's assume a very wide staircase with shallow, long risers.

>>55037658
A minor bonus to the enemy fighting on the high ground and an equally minor agility penalty to both the more steep the staircase, the higher the penalty

>>55037570

it isn't, and it just makes them finally a decent (middle tier) army.

If you lack basic knowledge of the game why are u here?

>>5503784
For me it is, because i stopped at 6th ed rules because i can't be arsed with anything after that.
Back then poisoned attack could really fuck you over and only elites and monsters could generally have those

If you think 8th edition is the only edition why aren't you in the AoS thread?

>>55037061
howdy
>>55036175
here, looks like some newfriend butted in while I was out
I do indeed put poison arrows on everyone I can, but I wish I could get the S4 ranged attacks onto, for example, my Waystalker and Waywatchers somehow. Then he'd really shine since I mostly play against guys who all have T4 and up.
Alas, not possible. At least I get to ignore armour with them so that's nice.

>>55037886
This >>55037847 is for you, munchkin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7e3jCd62C0&feature=youtu.be