ITS HAPPENING https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ en/news/2

>>54978386
>every rebel army has Luke Marysuewalker
>every empire army had Darth Vapertrope
no

>>54978386
Its like 35mm scale.
i dont need bigger stormies in the SAME FUCKING POSE.
i already got 9 of those.

FLGS owner was talking about this the other day.

Hoping it gives GW even more of a competitive push. It would be nice for them to have some actual pressure to think about.

>>54978426
I think it's a little weird to have the hero characters. It reminds me of how I enjoy that new Battlefront game and then get to see a shitty cutscene of han solo to interrupt the action.

>>54978386
What scale are those things, 32mm? it will be a skirmish game? I don't know why but this remind me alot of Dust with the difference it will survive by its IP alone.

Lets see how good it will be, i don't think boardgames+1 are something good for the hobby but at least they try to sell it as a "modeler" game.

>>54978386

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWOVfY-rxU

first for playing Empire

the 501st will wear white again

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>>54978681
you got a point there

what i like:
>Unpainted
check
>33 mini's,
check
>armies will be expanded and customized
check
>segmented movement tool
ch...
aww,
fuck you too, FFG!

do not be surprised if you see me running these mini's as Primaris Marines....i'd rather have a good star wars game, but man, fuck the custom-bullshit armada-esque quasi-ruler

i had to pay my friends for the one i broke
then, they got all work out, like those plastic carnival link snakes.

no, nope...

will buy, but i will fucker with the movement or resort to shelf decor

It's Star Wars, why are the minis unpainted?

>>54979617
so, you can paint them yourself?
also, that makes them 2/3rds cheaper
discover the joys of colored primer and ink, lad.

>>54979617
Expanded universe opportunities. "Your Dudes" but Star Wars!

>>54979617
Unlike spaceships, miniatures of people can't be factory painted to a semi-decent standard without driving up the cost.

All the noobs and powergamers play empire so they only need two paints

>>54979866

10/10

Best post on /tg/

>>54979866
>not wanting to rewrite the story so the goodguys win

REBEL SCUM

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>>54980215
My fellow dark skinned loyalist

>>54979866
I'm doing imperial shadow troopers, that way I just have to slap a black primer on and I'm done.

>>54978386
I'm waiting on the cost. I was onboard with GoT minis game until I found out it was more expensive than GW for monopose models.

>>54980476
90 USD for the starter box according to their store.

>>54980483
I meant expnsions, CMON's game looked fine at $100 for the core box, but then individual units were priced at $35 for a tray of 12 when 12 gaunts are $30.

>>54980552
I'm also hoping they're way cheaper. I kinda get why this is 90 with all the vehicles and other gubbins, but I'd prefer the normal troop boxes to be much cheaper per model.

>>54978546
>Hoping it gives GW even more of a competitive push
GW will proceed to give zero fucks and proceed as normal

>>54979800
But Star Wars is terrible for "your dudes. It's worse than 40k in general.

>>54978386
Those Stormtroopers are looking a little stiff for my tastes, but that's not gonna stop me from having a go at stomping some rebels.

>>54978386
Predicting this will die for the same reason Inquisitor did; doesn't matter how good the rules are, no one wants to make oversize terrain for one specific game.

>>54978386
Nah thanks, Star Wars is for cringey nerds.

Looks like GW is DEAD

>>54985104
Wut? They're not 54mm scale, right?

>>54978426
Pretty much my first thought, too.

I loved X-Wing and Tie-Fighter
I loved Dark Forces for MS-Dos.
It was when every Star Wars game became about being a Jedi that I started losing interest.

>>54985114
So he says, posting on a board made by and for cringey nerds.

>>54985195
I'm only here for 40k, Age of Sigmar and Kingdom Death my friend, nothing cringy about those mature games for serious adults like me.

Oh boy, props for my Edge of the Empire game

>>54985208
Even ironically very cringy post

>>54985236
Says while goes back to his Rules Lawyers and WAACfags: The skirmish game thread.

>>54985208
That post alone turned your cringey nerd clubcard platinum.

>>54985277
Not my fault My Game™ has tightly written rules and more relaxed playerbase.

>>54985117
Just like how X-Wing killed GW right?

>>54985315
I tried to get into Your Game back in April so I bought Red Veil.

To this day I'm still reading the rules.

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>>54985117
>implying this game wont become Storm troopers vs Strom troopers everything fucking time
GW has never looked better fagget

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>paint and assemble your doods

I am now going to hype myself up about getting exactly the your dudes Star Wars game I was wishing for and live in the hope that it won't just be a bunch of similar looking monopose stormtroopers made of wonky soft plastic with deformed blasters to go with Vader's deformed lightsaber.

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>>54985405
I actually want to play rebels. Especially if I can "my dudes". Hope for more aliens though.
But I guess it would be fitting to have an omnipresent empire.

>people still actually care and and are ACTUALLY hyped for star wars-related anything

How do you people function and are not ashamed of yourself?

>>54985686
>he asked on /tg/

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>>54985617
I really wanna play Imps, especially if I kitbashing becomes and option, model them after the dudes with the orange dots in their clusterfuck or stormie and scout trooper armour.

They'll be perfect for Imperial infighting too.

>>54978386
I can smell the bad plastic through that picture already....

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>>54981241
Why should GW even care.
Fantasy Flight will never understand that you need good miniatures and aesthetics to get the hobbyists. The games are just a small acpect of wargaming.

Just look at this guy. The sculpt of the Primaris Pimp Chaplain alone was enough to convince me to buy a whole Primaris Army. On the other Hand, FFG is still shitting out the same lame Stormtroopers.

why are the bases stupidly tall?

>>54986072
Overwatch has a character just for you then. He's piss easy to play and beginner friendly too.

>>54981241
>>54985117
>>54985405
>>54986072

In many ways GW took some cues from FFG to make their game systems to be more streamlined and user friendly. Them losing business to X-Wing likely prompted some of those changes. Star Wars and FFG are very popular it is very likely GW will lose some customers to this game.

Overall though it will actually be very beneficial to GW. For years GW was the only game in town for miniature wargaming so they had to carry the lions share of the selling the hobby burden. Mini wargaming is still a power nerd hobby. X-Wing helped open the door to the masses for this kind of thing. Now FFG has X-Wing and Imperial assault to grab light gamers, armada for mid tier, and Legion for full miniature war gaming crowd. So at the end of the day, GW will have more overall customers to offset any loses they have from competition.

>>54986072
Indeed. It's bad when the old Hasbro sculpts look better then the ones they have on display (which have the same proportion issues as the IA minis)

>>54978386
>Galactic Civil War again

I know Lucasfilm/Disney's current policy is "fuck the Prequels," but come on, the Clone Wars would work far, far better for a miniature game.

>>54986969
>I know Lucasfilm/Disney's current policy is "fuck the Prequels,"

It really isn't. They don't have that sort of policy in place at all. NuCanon material features tons of prequel content, hell Rogue One had the clone tanks in it as well as Jimmy Smits reprising his role as Bail from the prequels. And I think it's next month they're launching a Mace Windu comic.

They've moved the focus of the material more towards the OT, but they're hardly ignoring or refusing to work with the PT.

If anything, it's Hasbro and FFG doing that.

Sounds like fun. If the rules are as good as X-Wing's then I am down. I have been looking for a game at that engagement scale for a while.

>>54985754
Warlords era minis when

>paint and assemble
The whole reason I liked X-Wing was because there's no extra work involved. You just buy the models and play. Why are they doing this now?

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>>54987319
Trying to ease a new generation into the hobby aspect.

>>54987262
This is the part I miss in nucanon.

>>54987319
To keep normies away from my nerd games.

>>54986072
>Fantasy Flight will never understand that you need good miniatures and aesthetics to get the hobbyists. The games are just a small acpect of wargaming.
They are small aspect of GW brain-dead audience
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017
Gee I wonder where is the AoS brilliant miniatures, looks like even TWW popularity isn't enough

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>>54978386
>33ishmm scale
>proprietary dice
>movement templates that will probably be shitty and clunky to use
>fucking upgrade cards and you never get enough of the card you need in the box knowing FFG

GOD

FUCKING

DAMMIT

YOU HAD ONE JOB FFG! AND YOU FUCKED IT UP. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS MAKE A NORMAL ASS GAME AND YOU JUST HAD TO MAKE IT SPECIAL.

This thing will be dead in a couple of years. It'll start out pretty decently balanced and fun, and in two years all we'll see are absolute abomination lists that have none of the stape units that people cared about. Then you'll have to buy something like the fucking tatooine jazz band just to upgrade your rebel commandos because the upgrades they got in the core set just don't cut it anymore.

I'll buy a set to paint but that'll be about it. I'm just pissed they insist on doing all the dumb shit that I hated about X-Wing all over again. Also, it looks like it's just a bit bigger than 28mm, which fucks all those people who own a ton of those old star wars model from that collectible game, like my army of stormtroopers.

>>54980215
>>not wanting to rewrite the story so the goodguys win
GoT wargame when?

>>54985208
t. Cringey nerd

>>54985686
>How do you people function and are not ashamed of yourself?
>he says it on /tg/ where everyone loves 40k

>>54987985
I get you missed the KS right?

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>>54980215
>not wanting to rewrite the story so the goodguys win
>REBEL SCUM


>Implying Imperials aren't the good guys

>>54988003
>KS
Who?

I don't see this being very succesful. Two factions? With a Disney IP? Unless they allow a miraculous expansion of the lore through this game, it's gonna be pretty fucking boring.

>>54988026
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tabletop-miniatures-game

>>54987915
~33mm scale? Oh, that sucks. Pass.... When I get miniatures I want them to be compatible to other miniatures I own, in case I ever want to use them in a tabletop rpg of some kind

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>>54988054
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tabletop-miniatures-game
HOILY FUCK!

>>54988054
>>54988054
>Mormont
Soon
The good thing they've based design on arts, not on show

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>>54988251
Shit forgot the picture

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>>54988045
Scum faction has been a thing since forever with Fantasy Flight SW games.
X Wing has it, Armada has it, Imperial Assault has it, I guarantee you they'll release a "Hutt palace" expansion with bounty hunters and mercenaries.

Pic related.

>>54987319
Because some of us happen to prefer the hobby side

wake me up when they have AT-AT/AT-STs or a droid army so I can fuck around with droidekas

>>54988023
I'll take "What is reading comprehension?" for 20

>>54985117
>implying that this will at all draw away from GW's consumer base
Kek, you're a retard.

>>54988645
>Star Wars
>not attracting kids

>>54986838
>Star Wars and FFG are very popular it is very likely GW will lose some customers to this game.
Not really. Much like X-wing, the main draw of rhe game will be the fact that it's star wars. Because 8th is rather balanced and fun very few people will be dropping their collections for this game, and thise that would have most likely already left for other games anyways, or aren't really customers of GW anymore.
Then there's the fact that it's a skirmish game, which 40k isn't, and if someone wants a skirmish game there are better options than this.
It'll be a lot like the LotR wargame, popular for a while as movies come out, then people get bored with them and move onto something else. I'd be shocked if this has any noticable effect on GW or 40k. It'll have some, but anything substantial? I doubt it

>>54988690
Thats a good thing, less dumbass children buying space marines.

>>54988690
>skirmish game who's main selling point is be set in that famous IP that is popular right now
>threatening 40k
Remember when LotR fantasy battles almost killed 40k?

>>54987915
Given that X-wing got crazy popular and didn't die in a couple of years despite all the dumb shit, I think that's less a sign of failure and more you just not liking it.

>>54988743
>Implying 40k is a longer lasting IP than Star Wars.

>>54988780
>implying LotR isn't longer lasting than both of them
Either disney churns out star shit movies each year and people get bored of them, or they make some, then stop and people move onto the next thing. Either way, it'll be just like LotR strategy game.

>>54988780
That's not what he means, he's talking about how a popular IP isn't automatically a threat to 40K on its home turf.

LotR got crazy popular during its hype period, then the movies were over and all interest died. The Hobbit tried reviving it, but only succeeded in giving it a small jolt before it faded away again.

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>>54985208
Uhhh...

>>54987915
>which fucks all those people who own a ton of those old star wars model from that collectible game, like my army of stormtroopers.
They want you to buy new minis, not use your old ones. Using old minis means they make less money. Same for the special move stick and dice.

>>54988743
>Remember when LotR fantasy battles almost killed 40k?
First few years LoTR was most popular GW modelline.
And comparing to Star Wars 40k is a dwarf as franchise. That's one of the reason why X-wing started kicking shit out of 40k in US

>>54988815
>LotR got crazy popular during its hype period, then the movies were over and all interest died.
Interest died when GW killed the game with War of the Ring. And the Hobbit was just a bad game with overpriced models.
But unlike LoTR it doesn't look like Disney is stopping at making new movies.

>>54988971
>First few years LoTR was most popular GW modelline.
And how's that working out for them now?
>And comparing to Star Wars 40k is a dwarf as franchise. That's one of the reason why X-wing started kicking shit out of 40k in US
And LotR doesn't dwarf 40k? Top kek.
>but muh year old study that compares the majority of X-wing sales to a third of 40k ones
Yeah, it's not like GW hasn't recently undergone a huge boom and released an edition that has been met with lots of praise and brought in a good amount of new blood and caused old players to return.
But yeah, keep quoting that one survey that only gives us a fraction of the real picture.

>>54988988
>But unlike LoTR it doesn't look like Disney is stopping at making new movies
What they're doing isn't much better though. Releasing movies every year (of, let's face it, rather mediocre quality) kills hype just as bad as not making movies

>>54989092
>And how's that working out for them now?
Well untill the War of the Rings.
>And LotR doesn't dwarf 40k?
Any game will die without support
>lots of praise and brought in a good amount of new blood and caused old players to return.
[citation needed]
Also, still not enough to compete with X-wing outside GW safe-space.
>But yeah, keep quoting that one survey that only gives us a fraction of the real picture.
Fraction > nothing
>>54989110
>What they're doing isn't much better though.
Nope, they are keeping hype among their main audience (kids and teens).

>>54985405

ARE NIGE!!!

>>54986072
>Just look at this guy. The sculpt of the Primaris Pimp Chaplain alone was enough to convince me to buy a whole Primaris Army.
>t.blizzdrone

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>tfw you havent been able to convince a single person to buy into an FFG title in years
>tfw you can't get a match with anyone who knows what they're doing
>tfw it's only 40k and MTG fanboys


Give me one good reason why people won't be fags about this one too. Please.

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>>54989216
>Fraction > nothing
Top kek, no it isn't. If that fraction provides information in such a way that it skews how one sees the whole picture then it is in fact worse than nothing. Cherry picking isn't better than nothingm and that's essentially what that study is: it compares a good portion of X-wing sales to a third of 40k's and then acts like it's a big deal that a popular wargame beats a fraction of the sales of another. Without the full picture (that is to say, how X-wing sales are divided between webstore and 3rd party, what the margin between X-wing and 40k sales in that survey was, actual up to date info, etc.) then it's practically worthless.
Is the difference between them one sale? Does 3rd party sellers make up 99% of X-wing sales or less than 50%? We don't inow these things, so we can't make proper conclusions based upon that info. All we can say is: an unknown portion of X-wing sales beat a third of 40k sales by an unknown margin a year ago on one continent.
That tells us very little about what the actual breakdown of the popularity of the games are, but that doesn't matter to you because after all, you're not here to actually discuss that, you just want to throw it up whenever someone compares the two games to try and convince people 40k is dying and they should go play your game.

>>54978564
same, i mean, Vader is hilariously too strong, shouldn't one side get him and a few sacrificial stormtroopers and the other side get a regular army?

>>54978681

Also sick of all this 32mm scale creep bullshit.

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>>54989399
When you say Xwing, do you mean Star Wars Armada... or...?

>see Legions email
>decide that if it can have AT-ATs I will buy into it
>game officially announced
>lol 34mm
Very sloppy math indicates an AT-AT in this game would be roughly the size of a Warlord titan, which is 22 inches tall and costs over a thousand dollars. Even accounting for FW price lunacy it's hard to see such a model costing under $400.

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>>54989582
was waiting for an estimate and wew lad

>>54978564
>be me
>playing original Battlefront 1 or 2 on PS2 or PSP
>be generic nameless assault rifle clone trooper
>mowing down droids left and right, like 20:1 KDR
>then some faggot with a light saber appears out of nowhere to one shot you
>custom matches with friends just devolves into everyone running around with the dual lightsabet Twilek chick or Han Solo or Vader or Fett

>>54989449
Actual X-wing. Armada isn't in top 5, which is, in order:
X-wing
40k
Warmachine
AoS
Hordes

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>>54978564
Just take them out and sub in a Star Wars miniature until they release more heroes. FFG games are pretty much kitchen table only so you can do what everyou need to anon.

>>54989679
Disgusting

>>54989679
Why is Infinity not in there? Is it because people only need like 10 models to play and the cost is vastly inferior?

>>54989679
Xwing is more played than Beardwars? Surprising.

>>54978546
legion is going to crush 40k once it gets going with some more unit variety

>>54989941
this, if they release a droid faction I am so in

>>54989941
If you believe this then you're a retard.

>>54989399
>That tells us very little about what the actual breakdown of the popularity of the games are
Nope, it tells us how 40k compete outside GW-stores.

>>54989679
>Actual X-wing. Armada isn't in top 5, which is, in order:
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017

>>54989978
Not really. It tells us how 40k ranks in 3rd party stores compared to other wargames. It doesn't tell us what the actual margin between sales is, and as such provides no real useful info. If it gave some actual numbers, then that'd be something to talk about. As is, there's no way to tell that info, so it could be as small as a one sale difference or as large as a million sales.

>>54989941
>trust me guys, this wargame will be the one to topple 40k
Top kek, just like warmahordes, right?

>>54990043
>no real useful info.
> the top clearly shows that 40k cannot coompete with SW IP and FFG game-design when the store isn't GW-store
>not real useful info

>>54990078
>Top kek, just like warmahordes, right?
Nope, Warmchines always was counter-40k and never aimed to the same audience

>>54989787
It's because people don't actually play Infinity.

>>54989787
Infinity requires assloads of terrain to be playable, which makes it more of a chore to play than the others on that list.

Its rulebook is also something that put even 8th edition Fantasy and 7th edition 40K to shame.

>>54989941
...Who?

>>54990081
>1/3 of 40k sales loses to a sizable if not the vast majority of X-wing sales
>40k CAN'T COMPETE YOU GUYZ!!!!1!
Once again, we have no info on the actual numbers. If the difference was only a couple hundred sales, that's far from not competing. But we don't know that info, so we have absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
And considering that that's a minority of 40k sales, it'd be more shocking to see a major game like X-wing not out sell it seeing as X-wing's sales only come from their webstore or 3rd party sales.

>>54990161
>>1/3
Which sells in neutral stores, where they've forced to compete with other wargames, unlike rest of 2/3.
>>40k CAN'T COMPETE YOU GUYZ!!!!1!
>implying it's the same what I've said,

>>54990207
>Which sells in neutral stores, where they've forced to compete with other wargames, unlike rest of 2/3.
So? Once again, without nukbers we have no idea how competitive it is. Can you tell me the margin of difference between X-wing sales and 40k sales?
Or are you so retarded that you think that doesn't matter, and that as lonf as it's not on top then it's somehow not competive with other games?
>>implying it's the same what I've said,
You litterally did
>>54990081
>> the top clearly shows that 40k cannot coompete

>>54990243
>So?
>>> the top clearly shows that 40k cannot coompete
>> the top clearly shows that 40k cannot coompete with SW IP and FFG game-design when the store isn't GW-store

>>54990280
But once again, we have no idea if that's true or not without the actual numbers. Just because it isn't outselling it doesn't mean that it's not competive.

>>54988581
There are Imperial Assault AT-ST miniatures, and they said that the vehicle expansions would be impressive, so I can see it happening.

>>54989971
>star wars vs some shit from England no one knows about
yeah I'm sure the biggest IP on the planet is going to loose

>>54990299
>if that's true
The retailers says that they've sold more X-wing then 40k.

>>54990299
That's true. While X-Wing outsells 40K by volume, 40K and X-Wing/Armada have different audiences and focuses. I hope that a real Legion scene forms like it has for X-Wing at least, as having a good sized wargame with vehicles and ~28mm minis that isn't 40K would be rad.

>>54990357
>being so retarded ypu think I was asking if X-wing outselling 40k is true
I'm talking about how well 40k competes against it. Something we can't know without the raw data.

>>54990381
Yeah, I'll be interested to see how it grows. It's not a skirmish game, right? It'd be pretty neat if we get a lot of bigger stuff, nobody but GW really makes stuff on the scale of knights or titans. Though given FFG price per model compared to GW, I'm not sure I want to see how expensive the real big stuff will get.
It'll also be interesting to see what the sprues are like. If they don't come with loads of options or are something akin to snap-fit, the hobby side will be dead.

>>54990353
>being this delusional
Many have tried to unseat 40k, none have. Even X-wing only beats a third of 40k's sales. But stay delusional star shitter, just ask warmahorde players how trying to beat 40k went for them

>>54990713
>it won't outsell muh marines!
>I know despite having no industry knowledge or data!
>but if I assert hard enough it'll be true!

yeah just keep mooing the same thing over and over retard-anon, we'll be having a real conversation.

>>54988736
But that's the most lucrative target demographic GW has.

>>54990591
>It's not a skirmish game, right?
Yep. I am glad to hear it as well, as we have enough games that only have 12 man "armies". I imagine that assembly will be very simple however, as in the end they are pandering to the crowd for their existing miniatures games (Read, X-Wing), so I imagine that the hobby aspect just won't be as big. It is very likely that they will be adding in some big vehicles though. I am personally hoping to see a lot of the cooler ones from the prequels made available anyways.

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>>54990758
>>I know despite having no industry knowledge or data!
>>but if I assert hard enough it'll be true!
>he doesn't read GW's investor reports
3rd party sales make up a third of over all sales, that's just a fact. X-wing out sells a minority of 40k's sales by an unknown margin.
But please, if you have some hitherto unknown data that shows the exact break down of total 40k sales and total X-wing sales, please post it.

>>54990838
>the investor reports of one company tells me how well other companies sell
>muh assertions is true!

Try being a fake intellectual over on /x/ next time It'll probably be much easier for a mongloid like you to fool people who are already retarded.

>>54990819
>I imagine that assembly will be very simple however, as in the end they are pandering to the crowd for their existing miniatures games (Read, X-Wing), so I imagine that the hobby aspect just won't be as big.
That sucks
>It is very likely that they will be adding in some big vehicles though. I am personally hoping to see a lot of the cooler ones from the prequels made available anyways.
I hope so too, but I'm not sure they'll do much with the prequels, I'd imagine the mouse will make them focus on what they show in their movies.
Not that it will matter, because like I said, given X-wing's price per model, I'd imagine the real big stuff will make the warlord titan's price tag look reasonable.
I hope we get prequel stuff though, clones vs. droids is far more interesting than anything else. I want to make my opponent watch those wrist rockets.

Also, not a huge fan of what they're doing with movement.

>>54978386
Curious question, guys: Will any of you actually play rebels? I mean, I getit in X-Wing, they get a lot of cool ships. Armada was already stretching it. But rebel ground forces seem boring as sin compared to the alternative.

>>54990910
X-Wing stuff is prepainted and made with a different material, so I wouldn't really compare them. They do have some things from the prequels with their other games, but your are right in that most of the models will probably be from the newer Disney movies and the original trilogy.

I think that movement is OK as it has worked very well with X-Wing, and as you don't need to move a single model in a squad with the tools. I can understand that getting all of the tools for an army can be annoying though, whereas a tape measurer is something that everyone already has.

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>>54990873
>I have no info on what X-wing's sales are, and will provide no proof to support my claim
>but I'll continue to shit post as if I do because the nothing can be allowed to outsell my star shit
>mfw

>>54990912
I honestly think that the walker that they have shown off for the rebels is the coolest mini they have revealed for the game so far. If they add some good aliens (Pretty much just Wookies for me), I will be more than happy with the rebels.

>>54990960
>X-Wing stuff is prepainted and made with a different material, so I wouldn't really compare them. They do have some things from the prequels with their other games, but your are right in that most of the models will probably be from the newer Disney movies and the original trilogy.
I suppose, but I'd imagine it won't be that much less PPM for this. Despite memes anout GW pricing, they are able to get a real low PPM on massed produced stuff.
And even then, I'm not sure that we'll see really massive stuff. GW can only do that because of how huge they are, how much they've invested into their manufacturing and even then the biggest plastic model they make is magnus. If FFG can make a good quality, reasonably priced model of something like an AT-AT, I'll be pleasantly suprised.
>I think that movement is OK as it has worked very well with X-Wing, and as you don't need to move a single model in a squad with the tools. I can understand that getting all of the tools for an army can be annoying though, whereas a tape measurer is something that everyone already has.
Yeah, but that system at least makes sense given how space battles in SW work. I'll have to wait and see how they implement it all, if they only have set movement patterns like X-wing it wong be worth it.

>>54990591
>Something we can't know without the raw data.
We already knew that in US, outside GW-stores X-wing more popular then 40k
>>54990713
>Many have tried to unseat 40k,
Literally who? name other game who aimed for kids and new-comers in hobby.

>>54991101
>We already knew that in US, outside GW-stores X-wing more popular then 40k
By what margin? One sale, ten sales, a hundred sales, a million? All we know is that X-wing outsells a minority of 40k sales. The actual numerical difference between the two is the only way to know how close the competition is.

>>54988709
>Thinking 8th fucking balanced at all
Seriously? There are lots of improvements to the core game, but 40k is still a huge fucking mess when it comes to balance.

>It'll be a lot like the LotR wargame, popular for a while as movies come out, then people get bored with them and move onto something else.

Have you not heard of X-Wing? I don't even play it, but its in every store.

>I'd be shocked if this has any noticable effect on GW or 40k. It'll have some, but anything substantial? I doubt it

I said it would take some customers. I didn't say it would dethrone 40k. A long time ago, you could go into any gaming store and somewhere inside there would be some guys playing 40k. This and the good lore sold the game for years. Everyone's intro into tabletop wargaming was 40k. That stopped being the case ages ago because of GWs constant blunders. It let tons of good companies pop up. Nothing toppled 40k, but GW lost lots of players to better designed systems.

Since its release X-wing has pretty much filled the gap GW left open. The target audience isn't completely the same, but it is become the gateway point for tons of players. It is wildly popular on vets too even if only as a side game. As stated above, since its release it has become the game that every store play. SW:L is a full TTWG so it is bound to lure away more GW players because of Star War and then because of FFG and X--Wings historic success even if it never shines on the top charts.

>>54990912
I'll play Rebs if they get cool aliens.

>>54991141
>Seriously? There are lots of improvements to the core game, but 40k is still a huge fucking mess when it comes to balance.
Top kek, you're a retard. It improved balance massively. Go look at the diversity in the top placers in GTs. Or the fact that we no longer have massively OP shit like eldar or unplayable armies like orks.
If anything 8th improved the balance more than it did the core rules.

>>54991071
The movement templates are more there for the speeders than anything, so that they can actually crash into trees as in Return of the Jedi. For actual infantry I am not sure what they are doing.

As far as pricing goes, you have a good point that some of the figures can be expensive. However to make comparisons, a GW Sentinel costs $30 whereas a FFG Imperial Assault AT-ST like the General Weiss kit would set you back at $20. More recent GW kits like the Dragoons ($50) are even more expensive, and if the FFG equivalent only goes up in price moderately then the kits will hardly be more expensive than their GW equivalents. It helps that Legion won't require as many minis as 40K either.

>>54991184
As a Heretics & Renegades player I can say that this is patently untrue. It is better than 8th I would say, but it has a long way to go before becoming among the most balanced in the market. GW could do with some more playtesting.

>>54991139
>All we know is that X-wing outsells a minority of 40k sales.
Not just some minority, but very important, because unlike the other in retail 40k meeting with other games
And btw, 41% doesn't look like inferior minority

>>54991218
>R&H
That's not GW, that's FW. While I'm jot a fan of the whole "FW isn't GW" meme, in this case the distinction is very important. GW did a lot of playtesting with their armies, and as such they're rather balanced, esspecialy compared to previous editions. FW on the other hand wrote their indexes not long before the release, and it shows with all the balance issues and the fuck ton of mistakes.
You're right that R&H is in a very bad place, but that's the exception, not the rule

>>54978564
more like han HOMO XD ebin

>>54991253
Fair enough, then the company as a whole should do more work if they want the game game to be less of a mess.

>>54988023
back to school nigger

>>54988251
They probably just didn't wanna pay the extra to use the actors' likenesses. Still though, the game looks interesting.

>>54991227
>And btw, 41% doesn't look like inferior minority
You mean 38%. Trade is GW selling to other buisnesses, retail is selling to the customer directly.

>>54991307
I think it's mostly an issue with FW. They had the same problem with inferno, despite taking a long as fuck time to write it.

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>>54991328
And it's cool.
>Stark's sworn swords looks like Creighton

>>54991345
>You mean 38%.
Retail says 41%>>54990838
>retail is selling to the customer directly.
[citation needed]

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>>54991422
>doesn't know basic shit like the difference between retail and trade
>has provided absolutely no numbers on x-wing's sales
>still acts like he knows shit

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>>54988054
>Successfully raised $1,690,466 with 9,040 backers
>the average backer paid roughly $187 each
Jesus fuck.

No Stannis, no buy

>>54991591
Did pretty shit considering previous CMON kickstarters, especially with such a hot IP as GoT

>>54991608
While that is true, the exclamation seems to mainly come from how much individual backers paid. It isn't quite as crazy as Kingdom Death was I suppose.

>>54991608
I don't typically follow kickstarter shit so I wouldn't know. Looking over their products now - they have some cool shit here. Are their projects funded entirely by kickstarter?

>>54991637
yeah, even though they rake in the cash and shouldnt need KS anymore, they release everything on KS letting the consumers take on all the risk

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>>54991591
>stannis
>not wanting /ourguy/ first

>>54991661
Smart move, all things considered. Scummy, but smart.

>>54991591
Normies think paying $200 for a "good" boardgame is reasonable, but balk at GW prices despite the fact that you can get most GW board games or a small army for $200 or less easy.

>>54991707
Boardgames is """"nerd"""" culture, miniatures are for """"losers"""" and """children""". So it's ok if an adult wastes a small fortune in shitty cardboard and tokens that will use once and then store in the closet with the rest of their omg I'm such a nerd collection.

>>54991707
Most boardgames aren't that much though. Even expensive ones like Gloomhaven are half that.

>>54991707
Hell, you can buy a basic troops box for almost any army in 40k and be set for Shadow War. $40 for the core SW:A rulebook, $35-40 for a troops box, rules for each army are free on the website. Not the best deal out there but if you just wanna play some games in the setting then it's good. You spend about the same amount on any variation of Risk.

If you wanna talk fucking expensive games though, keeping up competitively with most card games is ball busting.

>>54991307
FW pushed out the IA books as fast as possible for 8th. Reading them I got the feeling that they heard about 8th around the same time we did.

>>54991705

The game isnt $200 its $150. Its not really that much considering the amount of models you get. Also, cheaper than it will be retail + kickstarter only models.
>Not buying this to resell to actual normies in a years time when the final season hits peak hype levels in fans.

>>54988709
>It'll be a lot like the LotR wargame, popular for a while as movies come out
Starwars has way more brand power than LoTR, and Didney will be making SW movies until doomsday.

Also FFG has a much better business model than games workshop from the early 2000's.

>>54991881
>should this unique captain aura be for models or units?
>WHATEVER JUST REMOVE ALL THE ABILITIES AND MAKE HIM A GENERIC CHAPTER MASTER
>won't that chapters players be upset?
>JUST GIVE HIS POWERFIST A UNIQUE NAME NOBODAY PLAYS THOSE FAGGOTS ANYWAY HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE A MODEL
>we still sell the model for Korvydae though how are we going to make a scout assault marine captain?
>JUST FORGET ABOUT HIM AND IF ANYONE ASKS JUST TELL THEM TO USE THE MODEL AS A GENERIC HQ IN AN EMAIL

>same flimsy plastic that IA uses
FUCK OFF

>>54991184
Are you a fucking moron?

Just because it more balanced than before doesn't mean there aren't still a shit ton of power combos, worthless units, and OP shit.

Go back to your general to shill or try another game now and then to see what fucking balanced means.

>>54991707
>but balk at GW prices despite the fact that you can get most GW board games or a small army for $200 or less easy.
>GoT Starter150$
>contains 103 minis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygcff7xaZfk

>>54992197
>claim it didn't improve balance
>get told that it did in these ways
>that doesn't count because I say so
Nobody claimed 8th was some masterful work of game design, of course there are games that are more balanced. But to act like balance didn't improve majorly shows you're a retard.
Also
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill

>>54991461
>>has provided absolutely no numbers on x-wing's sales
>b-b-b-but muh numbers
I've already told you multipile times what makes top relevant and how

>enter thread
>GWIDF on full alert
Fuck off cancer

>>54992306
But you're wrong. The nukbers are what matters, because that shows if 40k is getting BTFO by X-wing or if it,s an extremely close race. That's what shows how competitive it is, not the rankings. Either post numbers or fuck off.

>>54992296
To act like balance still isn't in the toilet shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Acting line the game is fucking perfect that can never have competition makes you a shill.

Is it going to use army men plastic?

>>54992350
>That's what shows how competitive it is, not the rankings.
Rankings based on retailers reports. So whatever numbers were, they were higher than GW, which means 40k is the most popular wargame only in GW stores.

>>54992350
Those numbers don't even count sales by GW.

>>54992350
Compare GW's revenue to FFG's you stupid moron.

Oh look, another DOA Fantasy Flight miniature war game.

>>54992466
>DOA
Like X-wing?

>>54992480
Like Armada, and Runewars.

>>54992386
>To act like balance still isn't in the toilet shows you don't know what you are talking about.
It isn't. Every GW army is viable (FW is a different matter), winning lists in GTs show much more diversity and every army allows for different list types to win.
It's not perfect by far, but it's worlds better than before.
>Acting line the game is fucking perfect that can never have competition makes you a shill.
Except I never claimed either of those things? The game is far from perfect, conscripts spam, Guillman, the lack of flavor to most armies are all issues with the game. And it most definitely has competition, I never once claimed otherwise

>>54992621
>Like Armada
More popular than AoS
>Runewars
IP problem

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>>54992404
>Rankings based on retailers reports. So whatever numbers were, they were higher than GW, which means 40k is the most popular wargame only in GW stores.
Yes, and? It's still the most popular wargame over all, and a third of it's sales are only beaten by the only retail X-wing has.
But let's take this guy's
>>54992431
advice and compare revenue:
Unlike GW FFG doesn't publish their investors report for the public. Pic related is the only estimate I can find that's not expensive as fuck.
GW on the other hand had a revenue of 158,114,000 pounds this past year.

>>54992761
>7%

charge your fucking battery, mate

>>54992761
>Yes, and?
40k cannot survive without GW-stores life-support

>>54992810
>a company who's buisness model has been built around a certain aspect of their company can't survive without said vital aspect
No shit dumbass. GW has structured their buisness around their stores, of course they need them to do well. If they didn't have them that doesn't mean they'd go out of business you retard, it means they'd have to develop a different buisness model.

>>54992810
GW loses money on its stores. The bulk of its sales are online, the stores exist as billboards and places for people to play.

>>54992810
>>54992869
Also, even then, GW's own stores are still not the majority of their sales. It's a healthy minority of 41%, sure, but it's not like without them 40k as a game would die.

Oh look another game very few people will actually play.

>>54992466
This

>>54992971
Just like X-Wing, right?

>>54993321
Where does the game go from here? What star fighters have they not released yet?

>>54989717
Sweet jesus, look at all that monopose

>>54990127
You mean like how the rulebook is free and you don't need to pay out the ass for it?

>>54994136
So is 40k's.

The butt hurt GW shills in this topics are hilarious.

>>54994136
40k's rule book is free as well.

>>54994136
In that it's a bloated mess with a special rule section alone that's 50 pages long.

Infinity may be easy to get into model wise, but between the shitload of terrain needed and the ridiculously bloated ruleset dumped into your lap, it is definitely not easy to get into gameplay wise.

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>all these childish retards screaming over whether FFG is going to kill GW or not
Remember when FFG and GW were partners?
I do.
It was a nice time.

>>54994357
They are all autistic teenagers

Does the new Bullseye Firing Arc save the T-65 X-Wing?

>>54992197
>Go back to your general to shill or try another game now and then to see what fucking balanced means.

There are people who don't like Star Wars (yeah like 3 people in the whole world, and one of them is me) and to them, this is just another game that they have no interest in.

>>54996035

Then go to another general?

>>54996035
I like star wars, but only the movies, I will never get the obsession with playing games or buying merchandise based on a fucking movie or TV show.

>>54996636
Liking a setting is often half the reason people play a game like this.

>>54996636
Buying merch of something you like makes sense. It's the rabid fanboyism I never got - even ITT there's idiots on all sides slinging shit over which form of overpriced plastic army men is better and will kill the other. Just play the fucking game you enjoy, dipshits.

If I ever needed proof that /tg/ is stuffed to the brim with paid GW shills, this thread is it.

You seriously can't even breath a word against GW without these idiots swarming out of the woodwork.

>>54997182
>people have a different opinion that they're willing to defend when challenged and antagonized.
>"THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY ALL SHILLS."

>>54997218
>I don't like [thing]
>Okay, then piss off back to 40k so those of us who do enjoy it can
>REEEEEEE IT'LL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 40K REEEEEEE

>>54997301
>People in thread start saying that new game will kill GW and actively antagonizing 40k players.
>40k players start schreeching back
>"IT WAS THE 40K PLAYERS, THEY STARTED IT."

>>54992869
>No shit dumbass. GW has structured their buisness around their stores, of course they need them to do well. If they didn't have them that doesn't mean they'd go out of business you retard, it means they'd have to develop a different buisness model.
>g-gg-g-guys GW will be totally ok without retailers

>>54997182
Maybe but most of them appear to be 40k adhd autist kiddies shitposting.
Thats why they continually spill over into other threads and keep making new threads. They are retarded basically. Like TF2 players.

>>54994271
Except you need to buy index and codex if you want to play

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>>54997669
>Except you need to buy index and codex if you want to play
>buy
you guys need to get better at pirating shit

>>54990127
You can just use the boxes that come with the models if that is so much of an issue for you. You are acting as if other games don't require terrain.

>>54997678
>pirating
It's illegal, I knew bongs are very poor after brexit.

>>54985104
Batman is this scale. 28-32mm terrain works fine for 35. You can even find snap fit models of the Jedi Starfighter for sub $10 that fit this scale and die cast cars at Walmart and Walgreenss for this scale.

28mm is really the outlier modeling wise. 1:56 (28mm) stuff is not that common in general modeling. 1:43(35mm) is.

I just looked it up AMT makes an Xwing in this scale. It is also close to O scale.

So not only can you reuse your current terrain, terrain in this scale is easy to find and cheaper than GW.

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>>54997889
>on /tg
>being a prude about internet piracy
And I'm not even a bong m80.

>>54997973
>And I'm not even a bong m80.
Then you should think about your life.

>>54985104
Kingdom Death is 35mm yet it has gotten quite a bit of traction.

>>54997994
Think about my life because I wasn't born in a particular part of the world?

>>54990912
ALL

EWOK

ARMY

>>54998004
kingdom death is a board game, based on a grid and comes with terrain cards for the game

For legion you need to find and buy new 35mm space-fences, space-trees, space-houses, and various space-debris to populate your board with in ADDITION to the minis.

>>54998051
>Think about my life because I wasn't born in a particular part of the world?
Nope, because your life-level dropping to "average bong"-level.

>>54998152
I'm half Irish, half Slav, and I'm on 4chan
I was way below bong level before I even came to this thread buddy.

>>54998200
Okay, so you are just a very stupid poorfag

>>54998200
the stupid part is a bit unnecessary
I do buy all my minis legit though

>>54998348
meant for
>>54998295
maybe I am stupid after all

If I can't play a droid army then what's the fucking point?

Stormtroopers and janitor jumpsuits are fucking boring. You can do this in pretty much every scifi minis game, even 40k with Guardsmen vs Scions.

Prequels and EU content is where all the good infantry-level content was.

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>>54998974
>mfw Stormtroopers are my favorite infantry designs in Star Wars

>>54999053
Giant blobby garlic helmets are shit taste but I guess you're welcome to it.

>>54999082
>Not liking Stormtrooper helmets
From my point of view you are the one with shit taste

>>54979866

So this is rebel autism....

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>extremely defined ridges on the limbs
>MASSIVE PECS
>connected visor
What did they mean by this?

>>54993863
You vastly underestimate the levels of bullshit we can dredge up from the depths of the EU, plus having a new movie every year helps

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>>54998974
Clone Troopers were kino

>>54999479
No idea, but I like it

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>>54997689
Of course other games require terrain. But infinity requires a shitload more, because infinity is from the ground up designed with the idea that a table will have plenty of terrain for cover and line of sight evasion.

That and the ridiculous rulesbloat doesn't make it an easy to pick up game, explaining why there are so few infinity players.

>>54989990
>https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017

People need to stop dropping that as if it is fact, rather than a rough figure. The 'site even says, they collected this data from asking independent FLGS and at gencon-style events. Do you think if they asked at GW stores they might get an even higher number? What about the people that buy stuff but just play it at home/friends/garage gaming rather than a store?

It's a rough estimate, not absolute fact.

>>54998089
Probably like an all-hobbit army in LotR: Looks silly but is a unholy terror on the field.

>>54989964

>Droid Faction

The only good guys in the setting. Plus imagine the look on your opponent's face when you beat him with battle droids.

>>55000947

It's also limited to North America. GW does most of its sales in the UK and Europe, whereas for FFG I imagine it's the other way around. Still, digging into GW's financials, it's interesting to discover that in the USA they make about £17 million from retail, and £27 million from trade, so trade is the bigger slice of the pie. They don't differentiate mail order by country, but once you account for that they you're probably looking at half of income being trade, as compared to more like a third in the UK.

Here's an interesting thing though - GW has changed their terms of sale this year to allow trade customers to do online sales in the US (something which they've allowed in the UK for some time, see Wayland or Darksphere as examples). This might see their sales figures pick up a lot in the next set of these reports and studies, as a lot of Americans are going to start buying from discounted online retailers.

>>54992810
>>54992875

GW makes an average profit of just over £1000 per store, and that's with them discounting 'other costs'. If you factor those in then the company loses something like £17000 per store. That's basically what GW's high prices are funding.

Here's something else though:

>we rewarded all of our staff with a £1,750 discretionary payment in addition to a £250 profit share payment each (total cost £3.4 million). We also honoured our commitment to pay 20% of any sales increase to our retail store managers (total cost £1.8 million) who achieved growth

Pretty decent to hand out £2000+ to all your staff after a good year.

>>55000947
>guys, actually X-wing is totally dead, killed by 40k

>>54997332
They kind of did. Nowhere did OP mention anything about 40K, he was just enthusiastic about getting more Star Wars minis. Of course GW fanboys had to ruin it with their dickwaving.

>>54998121
They already make a ton of O scale terrain for not only traditional modeling, but Star Wars kits as pointed out.

>>55000905
You can just get the really cheap paper terrain CB makes if you need extra. If anything that terrain is a better deal than what is offered for other games.

>Ridiculous rules bloat
Never mind, I took your seriously for a moment.

>>55000947
Where does it say that they don't ask GW stores?

>>55003628
I'm not talking about the OP
>>54985117

>>54999479
I figure it's like epic 40k army
Small scale means they have empathize the details

>>55003628
>im-fucking-plying
Why don't you go reread the thread? Nobody was talking about 40k or "dickwaving" until this faggot
>>54985117
Came along and deside to shit things up. It was star fags who started shit, the only other mentions of GW up until they started shit was discussion about how GW will respond.

>>54985374
It does

>make a bunch of star wars figures for a small skirmish game
>make the same miniatures but bigger for your mass combat game
How do you fuck that up?

>>55004688
You don't fuck it up. You change the size so everyone has to rebuy.

This is the company that killed A Game of Thrones 1st edition for the sake of 'accessibility'.

Still better than GW.

>>55004688
Are the Star Wars miniatures from WOTC the same size as Legion? How about other old ones like WEG? Is this a brand new never before done miniature size or something?

>>55004195
Why GW-babies need a safe-space in every thread on /tg/?

>>55004965
Not the anon but heres the thing, I would be fine with all this autistic screeching if it were just that because that's fairly easily ignored and it's /tg what do you expect?
But all the autists antagonizing the GW crowd is putting on this smug air of Elitism and saying "look at all these 40k autists screeching, how pathetic, we're SO far above anything like that. Don't they have anything better to do than ruin our fun?" when you cunts are the ones that are actively antagonizing them into screeching at you, AND you've been screeching back just as much. You're all autistic retards here so stop acting like the 40kfags are the only ones.

>>55005089
>But all the autists antagonizing the GW crowd
Blame GW it were they who went into autistic screeching-mode after X-wing.
>how pathetic
It was pathetic since 2012 when they've called X-Wing DOA because "muh Forgeworld, muh aeronautica"

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>>55005176
And here you are completely missing my point again. Why do I even try?

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>>55004965
>someone claims that "GW is kill"
>people respond by saying no and explaining why
>"Fucking GWIDF!!!1! Why do you need a safespace? Why can't I trash things other people enjoy and not have them respond in kind? FUCKING GW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!1!1!1!!1!1!1!1!"

>>55004807
Making everyone rebuy everything is not fucking up? I guess if you're a shareholder in a company it's not, but as a customer I'd say that's a pretty dick move. Even GW made all of fantasy compatible with age of sigmar.

>>55005581
>and explaining why
You mean "screaming in denial"?

>>55004846
No, other companies make minis of the same scale. The scale is really common amongst modelers, including Star Wars model kits in case you want to paint a X-Wing to use as terrain.

>>55005641
>I guess if you're a shareholder in a company it's not, but as a customer I'd say that's a pretty dick move.
Now try to guess who it is that matters. Hint: it ain't you.

>Even GW made all of fantasy compatible with age of sigmar.
To help transition WHFB players into the new system, to make it seem like they already had a lot of stuff for AoS, and to help sell off remaining WHFB inventory.

With Epic the playerbase there is has already gone with 3rd party options, there's no current lineup, and thus no stock of said lineup. And whaddya know, Adeptus Titanicus will be a larger scale, so all the old eBay and third party shit won't fit. Imagine that

>>55006120
1/48?

>>55006402
It's closer to 1:43.5, just like O Scale railroads. If anything the change makes sense, as Imperial Assault didn't need terrain beyond some cardboard, while Legion will need model scenery, preferably Star Wars themed.

>>55006449
Though to be fair, it is listed as 1:48 in the states.

>>55006449
>It's closer to 1:43.5, just like O Scale railroads

Ok, so not a common scale for Star Wars model kits then. It'll be easy to find the terrain for an idyllic town in southern Germany ca 1960 though.

>>55006505
There are plenty of Star Wars set pieces that scale, like the AMT X-Wing and plenty of snap fit models.

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>Like the Empire much more than Rebels
>Painting stormtroopers is a choire
>Can't customize them without looking like some sort of special snowflake sperg

Damn

>>55004132
>Small scale

They are 33mm Anon. They are bigger than Space Marines

>>55006748
As a rebels fag I will be thoroughly pleased if I can field a force of Ewoks and Wookees. While the Stormtroopers do have some weapon options, it would be a little officious to try to model something specific from EU.

>>55006811
I'm not talking about modelling, I'm talking about paint schemes. It's basically all white with a hint of red or yellow as special markings.

>>55006852
I am thinking Shadowtroopers or painting officers metallic as with Phasma, but you are right in that there aren't a lot of canon color schemes to choose from. I like Rebels because they are more eclectic I suppose.

>>54987915

Aren't most "28mm" figures 32mm-ish at the moment? At least they're being honest.

>>54988054

I'm glad the figures aren't based on the show. Always imagined the Westerosi soldiers in chain/plate, tabards, carrying heater shields, etc instead of weird leather bondage gear, fur cloaks that look like they're made of yarn, etc.

>>55006748
You can customize them anon. I plan on doing at the very least, colored pauldrons to differentiate squads and maybe unit icons. If people sperg out about it who cares? You pain them how you want to, they're your minis

>>55007405
This. The important thing is that they are easily identifiable as Stormtroopers, and aren't really going to look out of place. With all of the spaceships that FFG pulls out of their ass for X-Wing, there are certain to be a million crazy stormtrooper models to choose from as well if you want some more customization for your army.

>>55006088
will be hilarious once reality finally hits the GW fanboys

>>54987915
>Then you'll have to buy something like the fucking tatooine jazz band

kek

You forgot the tousend paper tokens you will need to place everywhere on the board.

>>54991780
Your post gave me cancer, but I whole-heartedly agree with your message.

>>54988272
You can tell it's art of ASOIAF because all art of ASOIAF looks this muddy

>>55008083
I'm sorry, sometimes I type like a retard.

>>54989363
From the thumb nail I thought that was netrunner.

Kinda says something if you're so obscure that you make netrunner look mainstream.

>>54992230
>GoT Starter150$
>>contains 103 minis
This is the main reason people shelled out.
They're generic Medieval minis for cheap, even if the boardgame sucks.

As a guard player you're going to struggle to get 103 gw minis for that price.

>>55009571
Minis also look great

>>55009587
Any mini looks great when is painted by some of the top painters in the world.

>>55009742
The pictures of the sculpts seem to indicate that they are pretty good.

>>55009587
We'll see how they come out of production. I've definitely been burnt by bulk minis before.

>>55009816
They showed off physical ones at Gencon as well, and they looked pretty sharp. That Reaper Kickstarter will probably have iffy quality as with all of the other Reaper Bones models, but it looks like ASOIAF is going to come out much better.