Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>54968748
Homebrew, considering Paizo managed to fuck up Starfinder even when they have a blank slate to start with and didn't even write a setting this time.
>GAP LOL

As a wizard, can i sign all cards in a deck with exploding runes and use them like gambit from x-man?
Not me necessarily but i want to give my rogue a literal trump card

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What do yo use to paint your armor?

>>54968983
Yes.

>>54969033
Awesome

>>54969028
Proper paint. The blood of my enemies always gets washed off.

>>54968748
>rules improvement
yeah like the caravan rules...

>>54968748
By stealing the only decent shit from Starfinder and continuing to be a shambling mass of houserules and patchwork fixes.

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How do you make a mercenary company? What steps do you need?

>>54969322
Personnel, Resources, and most importantly, customers.

>>54969322
Power and conflict.
As long as you prove you go where the money is and don't break contracts and people need a supplement to their army, you have a job.

Why some GMs don't get that whatever you do you can't be good at everything and that even in a 4 man party some skills can't be covered? and why when we find ways of bypassing that he gets all angry and mad and forbids them?

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>>54969528
>tfw opposite problem
>players throw their hands up because "not good at" = "impossible"

Hey fuckcocks, did paizo ever stop making this shit game uselessly overcomplicated? Finally dropped this piece of shit for 5e. I miss the feats but honestly most of them were trap options, as were most martials. Game was so full of autism and my players were constantly making whacky ass characters with shit from 9 differemt books. Finally they are playing normal shit again and learning to actually role play in a system that is actually balanced. 5e has a lot of class2like the autistic bonuses accuracy but it's still better than Pathfinder. Glad I decided to switch. Have fun with your dumbass system that even PFS admits is broken. Bye faggots.

>>54969667
Y-you too.

>>54969631
I have 7 skill ranks per level (2+5 magus) and I have a certain amount of class skills, well, survival isn't among them and I didn't spend ranks on it, I though bought a map, a compass and have a ioun stone that gives me +2 to a skill once a day for 24 hours. Well, that makes my Surival now +7, I take 10 and I think I can manage myself outdoors at least to reach known places.

Well, so my faggy GM throws a fit because he can't make me lose myself in a forest and die of starvation, that I'm "immortal" or some shit, and now maps, compasses are forbiden, so is take 10 till he says it isn't.

>>54969667
Sasuga, fagatron.

>>54969631

I don't think you'll ever break that stigma here. People are convinced you need huge stats and third party bullshit to be marginally competent.

Recommend me 6 languages for Jade Regent AP

>>54969780
Giant, gobbo, tengu, tian, commom, the language of love

I'm going to be making a Divine Heretic Warpriest using the Destruction Sphere mainly. Would it be wise to drop a feat on Weapon Finesse and Deadly Agility so I can be competent in melee as well? Not looking to go full switch hitter, but will it fuck up my build?

>>54969780
Goblin, Skald, Tian, Infernal, Common, Sylvan.

>>54969667
Okay.

So is there some kind of gimick I am missing with the spring blade? Or is it just over priced trash like it looks?

>>54969877
Is a hidden blade, nothing more, nothing else. Probably not worth it in most games.

How would you handle this situation
1 PC and a intelligent weapon
Weapon can understand giant
PC can't
Weapon and PC can speak between themselves, but weapon can't speak to other people
They encounter a giant

Would you allow the sword to tell the PC what to say phonetically?

>>54969322
Is land snake a fun PrC?

>>54964191
RotJR pls go

>Captcha: Harness Phosphates

>>54970057
>nice try, but you're way off

>>54970076
I'll harness your goddamn Phosphates if you don't tell me, dork

>>54969768

Failing shit even 5% of the time isn't marginally competent in any industry. Would you fly with a pilot who succeeded at 95% of his landings?

>>54969631
I sometimes would like to at least be passably competent but not amazing at things without being punished for it, asshole. Fuck off.

>>54970122
In any industry huh?
You need to get out more if you honestly believe that.

>>54970057
Sounds like an unrequited love~!

>>54970122
Forgot to add: That's why every backwater village blacksmith in Forgotten Realms is inexplicably 7th level. Because that's the only way he can have enough ranks in Craft (Blacksmithing) to be considered competent at his job, and not a hilarious fuckup whose shop is a comedy of errors

>>54970122

It completely depends on what you're doing. Go find me a baseball player with a .950 batting average. Adventurers are always doing chancy stuff like stabbing at things that don't want to be stabbed, or jumping wide chasms, or pushing some uncomfortable diplomatic angle. You don't even need to roll for the routine, no-pressure stuff anyway.

>>54970302
>Be 1st level rogue
>Have 12 on Wis and 16 on Dex
>Have +2 to Spot and Disable device from feats
>Total bonus is +7 to Spot and +9 to Disable device
>Not even with a 11 I spot or disable shit
More than 50% of the time I don't see shit
50% of the time I don't disable shit
Which means 75% of the time we get into a trap

So much for someone specialized on traps

I don't do Pathfinder as a rule of thumb, but I've been hanging around this thread for a long time because it provides a perfect mix of content and entertainment.
By "entertainment", I mean "drama and lewdgames", and I've wanted to take one for a spin for a long time.
Then, the first lewdgame after I stop being busy is a bamboozle, and for fuck's sakes it's at the level where I'll do it if that's what it takes.

If someone who has a lot of GMing experience but has played Pathfinder literally once was to plan out a /pfg/ lewdgame, what would be your advice to not be drowned in rules, 3pp and 2hu? Reading is not an obstacle.

For the potential players:
What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?
What level do you want to start at?
What 3pp do you absolutely want in?
What houserules would you want in?
And, of course, the most diffuse question - what would you want out of a lewdgame that isn't a bamboozle? Characters, genres, settings, gimmicks, whatever - your ideas are perhaps more valid than mine.

I do want to do it, but because of real life, I need to make sure I have the time and the surplus. If a Roll20 link comes up, I promise it won't be a boozle, but until then I can't make any promises.

>>54970404
An important question to always ask is what would interest you the most, as a happy DM is a motivated DM, and a motivated DM is what makes a good game into a great game. Personally, I would suggest you look into the Land of the Linnorm Kings for a potential campaign setting, it's a heavily detailed region with a comparatively sparse amount of presence in the APs. Everyone is going to suggest level 3, but I'd actually recommend something higher; level 5 perhaps, or level 7; the Linnorm Kingdoms is not a place for the weak.

As for lewdgame genres and character types? I want something "larger than life." It doesn't have to be the Linnorm Kingdoms, but regardless of location I'm very much a fan of people that wouldn't be out of place in an old epic. Less Game of Thrones, more Arthurian. In that regard, I would also suggest Galt as a nation to check out for location.

>>54970404
>What level do you want to start at?
Anything but level 1
>What 3pp do you absolutely want in?
Legendary Vigilantes at bare minimum, Legendary Rogue is a bonus, Avowed interesting but not wholly necessary. There's a lot of cool things from DSP and other publishers but it's not worth it if the GM himself isn't sold on it, but case-by-case would be a good idea.
>What houserules would you want in?
Feat tax rules mandatory, background skills nice to have, fighter getting free stamina is A+, gestalt with a party of 2-3 PCs is nice, any more than that and don't touch it

>>54970404
>What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?
Land of the Linnorm Kings, Tian Xia, Actual Brevoy (i.e. not Kingmaker's "just south of Brevoy", Galt, Taldor, Molthune.

>What level do you want to start at?
Minimum of three, but I'd really prefer a level 5 start.

>What 3pp do you absolutely want in?
Path of War, Spheres of Power, Forrest Fire Studios, and content by Ehn. Jolly (Mostly his work with Legendary Games) are all really nice to have.

>What houserules would you want in?
http://michaeliantorno.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/


>And, of course, the most diffuse question - what would you want out of a lewdgame that isn't a bamboozle? Characters, genres, settings, gimmicks, whatever - your ideas are perhaps more valid than mine.
A detective/noir story, or any campaign set within a single city would be a nice change of pace; we don't usually get those kinds of urban campaigns. A "road trip with bros" would be cool too, though Jade Regent kinda does that already. Maybe go somewhere else in Golarion. Also, don't make it a lewdgame, just make it a game.

Kamen Rider game in Minkai when?

>>54970404
>What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?
Wherever, really.
>What level do you want to start at?

Minimum 2.

>What 3pp do you ABSOLUTELY want in?
Spheres of Power, some Slowcogs stuff i.e Unchained Gunslinger/Cavalier/Fighter.

>What houserules would you want in?
Feat taxes, definitely. Background skills are always nice, too. 25 PB or even 30, i don't judge would be A-OK.

>>54970404
>region of Golarion
Doesn't particularly matter.

>level
Anywhere from 2 to 5.

>3pp
SoP, FFS, Jollycontent. PoW stays out unless you make them actually sane and not disruptive enough to obselete martials who aren't PoW classes.

>houserules
Feat Taxes, Background Skills, possible Gestalt or free VMC.

>lewdgame
Doesn't really matter.

>>54969269
Haven't been around much. What is the decent shit about Starfinder?
What should we be looking at to adapt back into PF?

>>54970404
>What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?

>Location
Scrap Golarion. Run a casual custom setting so people can't autism on you for getting Golarion lore wrong.

>Level
Depends heavily on how often you expect to level and what tone and powerlevel you want the game to have. Level 5+ starts are rare and people will probably take them, but recognize that level 8 and beyond gets into fairly high fantasy tier already. Maybe even level 5 and beyond depending on 3pp.

>3pp and houserules
Feat taxes, most DSP (Initiating warps the powerlevel of the game but it's the only way many will be convinced to be martial), most DDS (Spheres of Power has inconsistent standards and rules loopholes but it's the only way many will be convinced to be a caster), N Jolly (Vigilantes+Kineticists+Gunslingers), FFS (Avowed+Spellburst Savant)

>What we want
Play to your own lewd interests foremost. The passion has to be there.
Make it very clear what level of lewd you plan to run at once you decide, because people go in expecting a wide range of different things.


If you're a new GM to PF the best tip I can give you is to make sure you have supportive players who won't exploit the system.

>>54970583
>>54970404
Sorry, forgot to add- what I would want is to have fun, but I want the GM and my other players to have fun too. I'm honestly fine with whatever- if I didn't like the setting I wouldn't have applied.

>>54970404
>What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?
Personally, I feel like it's a shame to keep a campaign locked in one place. Something involving a lot of travel, like a quest that has us hunting artifacts across the world or traveling to the lords of several nations would be cool, as would some kind of plane-hopping adventure. Most individual nations are fine for self-contained adventures though, it really more has to do with the tone and set-pieces you want. In other words, I think it's better to start by picking what kind of enemy you want and then finding a place that works.

That said, if you twist my arm, I would say Hermea.

>What level do you want to start at?
I'm not picky, but anywhere from 3-7 would be ideal.

>What 3pp do you absolutely want in?
No preference.

>What houserules would you want in?
Just basic stuff, Elephant taxes, ignoring shitty nerfs like the Jingasa, etc. Too many complicated houserules can weigh a game down.

>And, of course, the most diffuse question - what would you want out of a lewdgame that isn't a bamboozle?
The exact same stuff I'd want out of a nonlewd game, except also with some hot dickings served up on the side (and preferably done between sessions instead of during). No "defeat means rape", no wild orgies out on the street, just perhaps a setting where sex is treated a little more casual than it is in real life.
Personally, I'm in the mood for being the big damn heroes, saving the world from a big threat like Aboleths, evil outsiders, or the schemes of a potent wizard.

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>>54970637
>>54970608
>>54970637
>Initiating warps the powerlevel of the game but it's the only way many will be convinced to be martial
>PoW stays out unless you make them actually sane and not disruptive enough to obselete martials who aren't PoW classes.

PoW Errata when?

>>54970637
>Make it very clear what level of lewd you plan to run at once you decide, because people go in expecting a wide range of different things.

Good lord, this. Imagine making a Western campaign only to get nothing but anime girls and porn furry applications. We need to know what you're into, not just to get a feel for the campaign but to get a feel for what we should apply with - of course I don't mean we should pander to you, but if you're into certain things that paints a certain picture of what would fit best in the campaign.

>>54970684
>Big damn heroes

Sounds like an opportunity for that Heroes of Golarion, Avengers-type campaign anon was tweaking out about some months ago.

>>54970608
>PoW stays out unless you make them actually sane and not disruptive enough to obselete martials who aren't PoW classes.

Non-PoW martials are garbage and should be obsolete

Hey guys I need some help finding an item that I swear I read about somewhere, not sure if it's pathfinder or starfinder. All I remember is that they're a feet slot item and they let you shift your relative gravity. So if you had a foot on a wall when you activated them you could then walk on the wall and be treated as if the wall was "down". But if you got tripped you would fall down as in normal gravity. Anyone know what I'm talking about or am I losing my mind?

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>>54970684
>ignoring shitty nerfs like the Jingasa, etc.

Why isn't there a document with the unfucked versions of all the stuff that got shitty errata? Someone said we should make one but nothing ever got posted.

>>54970791
Because you didn't make one. And everyone was counting on you, too.

Here is what I have:

1) Picking up a weapon on a weapon cord is a swift action
2) Sleeves of Many Garments actually transform your clothes and not just their appearance
3) Quick Runner's Shirt doesn't end your turn when used
4) Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier grants +1 luck bonus to AC and 1/day negate crit instead of "once ever"
5) Bracers of Falcon’s Aim work continuously instead of 1/day with a command.

>>54970404
To be honest, I hate lewd games. But on the 3pp, I feel like Psionics(It's weird how this general has just gone silent about it, since we used to be crazy about it, I guess because it's so not controversial?) and N.Jolly stuff are the only things I can recommend with almost no caveats.

I'd recommend SoP and PoW, but the sudden change of PC capabilities/progression can be jarring as a first time GM.

>>54970726
I don't remember hearing anything about that, but it doesn't even need to necessarily go that far. Things can start small and ramp up big.

If it were a game in Hermea, for example, I'd say it could be something like starting out on the island the PCs are investigating something suspicious under the orders of Mengkare, ultimately solve the problem but realize there's similar trouble out beyond Hermea too and end up getting Mengkare's blessing to leave the island and stop whatever threat is developing abroad.

Personal problem/stakes > Local problem/stakes > Global problem/stakes

Currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason (ends next week) - reworked Hell's Rebels AP until plot makes sense
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (ends september 30th) - kill gods, be mythic

How does it feel for Swords&Bedshackles to be a boozle, anon? Does it make you want to app to other games?

>>54970870
Psionics has three handicaps:
>Uncontroversial, doesn't get publicity
>Flavor is weirder and even though the moment I say this people will jump in saying how it's been a part of d&d lore longer than other staples, it's not what many people want out of their fantasy settings. Mass reflavoring is also a pain and it's not something you can do with most pfg open application processes.
>The base psionic classes are generally uninteresting and don't have much of an identity

>>54970918
Oh, is it confirmed bamboozle?

Is the Beast Rider good?

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>>54970791
>>54970847
I knew I forgot something important when making this, but forgot what. Apparently that thing was "making it publicly available" and not just "looking for more stuff".

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3zo86tuKJcdWIEV6MQAonq9U1Bio0FsMy1o8P0-nJU/edit?usp=sharing
Have a thing, losers. Yes I know it's not very big and is missing lots of probably obvious shit, but that's because I've been busy and haven't got around to downloading all the 1st printings and going through errata documents. Also still haven't figured out if it's worth bothering to reprint whole text or just the part(s) that specifically got errata'd.

>>54970930
Regarding the flavor of Psionics, you know what I honestly think the deal is? In a fantasy setting (especially a high fantasy one) like Golarion, magic is basically the world's equivalent of science. The setting has its own physics about how magic works, woven into reality, and even someone like a sorcerer still needs to understand the basics to be able to use it (components, learning spells).

People like science in the real world, so they like the fantasy version of science. But people don't believe magic is real, and the fantasy version of magic isn't magic- it's psionics. Psionics don't have rules, it's about thinking hard enough that the universe is forced to conform.

So, what class is better to play someone like Littlefinger?

>>54971101
Killing Yourself 101

>>54971101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHsSAz6nRrk

>>54971067
> Psionics don't have rules, it's about thinking hard enough that the universe is forced to conform.
That's not what Psionics is any more than magic is just people wiggling their fingers and farting to make the universe conform. If anything Psionic's is more clinical and "scientific" than traditional fantasy magic since it's a lot more consistent and limited in scope, at least in 3.PF.

Another issue, is Psionics is often added as an after thought in most settings.

>>54970930
>>The base psionic classes are generally uninteresting and don't have much of an identity
I feel like the mechanics make up for this, since the classes are a lot more "You can do X, Y, Z" as opposed to "You are X, Y, Z" compared to most PF classes. I honestly kinda prefer that method of making classes, but different strokes.

>>54971101
Negotiator or demagogue bard sans spell casting.

>>54970980
You're okay anon

>>54971101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os9pfFHpNCQ

So what the fuck happened to Ensoulment greentexts?

>>54971687
Vocal minorities convinced people who play in actual games that talking about them isn't welcome here.

>>54971739
Wasn't WS supposed to be drawing them or something?

>>54970122
>>54970232
>>54969768
>>54969631
Reminder that skills aren't to be rolled unless they actually have a risk attached to them, and for most careers in-game Taking 10 or even Taking 20 is more than enough to get what needs to be done.

>>54971746
Some people were adamant this was also a bad thing.

>>54969028
Lipstick

How tall would be a NotRussian Female Slayer?

>>54971687
No session last week, Protag had something come up IRL. The party made it back to Lote at the end of Disk's last greentexts (which were posted almost two weeks ago now because of the skipped session) so there is some light IC discord going on and Protag is PMing all the players with one on one interviews with the Princess and the famous author responsible for writing the shit down and turning it into a legend or whatever.

Interview with the Princess has certainly been the most "philosophy debate club" part of the adventure so far, assuming its the same for others as me, she is basically comparing the heroes goals setting out to their actions throughout the quest, as well as examining some of the implications of the quest ethically speaking that previously hadn't come up.

>>54971924
Yeah Surge got a bit self-conscious about it after the first time she posted pictures and got called an attention whore. She still makes one for most of the greentexts though, as long as there was a scene worth detailing, and has given the discord custom emotes themed after the characters and some NPCs, and other random stuff based on inside jokes that would need a lot of context outside.

>>54972011
Iobarian, or Irrisen?

>>54972034
I see. I wish there were a way to somehow make Protag's game work with more people, it sounds amazing.

>>54968748
Anyone have a list of recruiting gaems?

>>54972011
Fairly short, Iobarians suffer from severe malnutrition.

>>54972110
It's all bamboozles from here on out, anon. The golden age of games was killed by a handful off childish assholes who were bitter that people were daring to have fun.

>>54972132
That's not true! That's impossible!

>>54972110
There's only two. One of them closes in a month and a half and might be some sort of joke, the other is a rationalist take on Hell's Rebels iirc.

>>54970608
>wah wah martials in pathfinder suck fucking 3.pf
>oh hey, here are some martials that don't suck
>wah wah they invalidated the old shitty martials

I love hearing these complaints because there's such an easy fix, too. Use the initiating archetypes for the old martials and give them full initiating based on whatever PoW class you think is closest thematically.

>>54972148
You underestimate our power!

>>54972043
>>54972114

What if is it a homegrown setting? Particularly I'm thinking of someone with a semi-nomadic from the Steppe background similar to a Cossack.

>>54972149
Got links?

>>54972163
Initiating isn't an 'easy' fix because not everyone wants initiating, yet unlike most other subsystems, if the party includes an initiator you'll be hopelessly overshadowed. If the GM includes PoW, he either specifies "everyone must be building PoW-based martials if they're playing a martial class" or nerfs it / buffs normals until they're roughly equal.

>>54970930
>The base psionic classes are generally uninteresting and don't have much of an identity

Aegis has an identity, that being a healthier synthesist and a martial with a swiss-army knife super suit.

>>54972202
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (ends september 30th)

>>54972245
It kinda sucks that mint rebels is getting mostly shit apps so far, I'm fairly certain it isn't a boozle.

>>54972231
Fuck off, if the game and the GMs here assume the party has casting all the time, then initiating is only the next logical step. It makes more sense than giving everyone wizard-casting.

>>54972187
Adorably smol, then. Nomads are never particularly tall, I'd wager she's barely over 5'4.

>>54972282
It's not a boozle, just a shit game.

>>54972282
Voice Only and the time.

>>54972285
>the GMs here assume the party has casting all the time
Because Pathfinder assumes it to be true. It doesn't assume that everyone is a fullcaster, it assumes that there is at least one fullcaster. It's either a PoW-exclusive game for martials or a PoW-null game for martials, anything else just doesn't fucking work. Why the fuck are you so opposed to that?

>>54972231
It IS an easy fix in bringing the older martials up to the level of PoW, and it's the only real way to do so besides other crazy things like giving base martials mythic or gestalt while keeping PoW classes singular.

If someone doesn't like initiating, I don't really know what to suggest. You're right; Besides maybe Avowed, no other system stands up to the combat potential of PoW. That being said, it's so hard to go back to playing vanilla martials after a few games of PoW. Not impossible, I was having fun with a non-initiating jump-vital strike build a while ago, but combat doesn't feel nearly as interactive without it.

About to start Murder's Mark with a party of:
Witch (Patron of conspiracies)
Blight Druid
Detective Bard
Oracle of Bones

Any last-minute advice on GMing the module? Most of what I see on Google is PFS advice, but I'm not opposed to modifying anything weird or hacky (for example, the Sphinx is definitely not a minor illusion).

>>54972282
I'm of the opinion that the meme potential of any /pgg/ game is always going to be strongly tied to timeslots. Just look at JttW as a prime example, because its timeslot was fixed not even the presence of some hardcore selfshill memesters could get anybody to care about the game. At the very same time Ensoulment took off with those exact players leading the pack in "popular vote" because people weren't self-selecting themselves out of caring about the game because of its schedule. Anything that cuts out player base before an app is even submitted (such as mint rebels's terrible timezone) is going to significantly hamper the circus that builds up and refines these characters to the meme status we've seen in games prior.

>>54972406
It also unbalances the game in general, because it makes PoW martials godly in combat and...still makes them useless outside of it? It segregates the game into "let the Warder and Harbringer kill everything" and "let the Wizard and Cleric solve the other problems". I wouldn't even object if they made them good (not as good as right now) in combat and good out of combat, but PoW actually makes the problems of vanilla martials standout even more - they're combat machines.
Either way if a DM runs a game with PoW I expect to see a note saying, "you must build PoW, or else you can build a normal martial but get Warder initiating progression" or something to that effect. At least this way you only have a double segregation of caster (out of combat) - martial (in combat), not a triple of caster (out of combat) - initiator (in combat) - martial (worthless rubbish and the Wizard's boytoy)

>>54972474
>caster (out of combat) - martial (in combat),
False equivalence.
It's caster (out of combat and in combat) - martial (worthless rubbish and the Wizard's boytoy)

Also you guys are overreacting, a well made barbarian, a paladin in the right campaign are still as damaging and encounter deleting as any PoW class.

>>54972582
>False equivalence.
The martial in the first line is a PoW-based martial.

>well-made
>in the right campaign
Key words, yeah?

>>54972474
Maybe I'm crazy here, but I'm totally okay with party members dominating a section of an encounter so long as everyone has something they can do. Kinda like how Shadowrun teams are built. Everyone has a role for the job they're trying to get done.

>>54972474
>Useless outside of combat
>Builds naturally favor having high skill checks (While other classes can do the same, none favor raising them that hard other than PoW)
>Judge Stalker, Mystic crafting (and Glyphs after 13), Warlord giving endurance to immediately stabilize or Bushi shenanigans, Harbinger Magic Aura, Zealot Collective and Psicrystal shenanigans

>>54972609
>Maybe I'm crazy here, but I'm totally okay with party members dominating a section of an encounter so long as everyone has something they can do
It's not dominating a section of an encounter, it's dominating certain types of encounters. I don't mind it too much, but I would rather that martials aren't essentially just reliable hired muscle or alternatively that the casters aren't simply utility machines. Either way, [PoW-exclusive OR caster] is far preferable to simply being [PoW OR 1pp martial OR caster].

>>54972639
>high skill checks
Yeah I'm sure that Acrobatics check will come in useful sometime soon.

>immediately stabilize
Sure will come in useful out of combat.

>>54972325
Says "voice (to speed up combat) and text" right there, ffs.

>>54972467
That was expected desu. Most of /pfg/ is from US, I am from europe and don't want to start sessions at 2 AM for me just to get more apps. Still, game is open for those who want in.

>>54972670
I kind of think that pathfinder puts way too much effort and focus on combat. Lessen that, and PoW seems a lot less overbearing.

>>54972723
>Lessen that, and PoW seems a lot less overbearing.
Sure, and everyone who isn't a caster seems kind of useless.

>>54972723
It also becomes less relevant in general, which is my problem with PoW. Martials were ALREADY good at dealing damage, they needed help out of it, which PoW doesn't particularly help with. I mean yes, they get a little bit here or there, but mainly as an extension or creative application of their fightan magic, not because that was the focus. They lost sight of what they were trying to accomplish.

>>54972670
>Diplomacy, Sense Motive, Intimidate, Sleight of Hand, Stealth
>Perform (Dance) on anything with Versatile Performance
>Not useful

What would be the price of a custom-made saddle for a wolf-rider halfling?

>>54972754
>diplomacy / intimidate
Student of Philosophy or Orator on the caster.

>stealth
Until you pump it to absurd levels, Invisibility and Silence is superior. Alternatively, something like Arcane Eye or Chain of Eyes can scout things out pretty damn well if that's all you need stealth for.

>>54972779
Exotic saddle price.

desu I'm sick of PoW because classes still feel restricted as shit and content takes for fucking ever to get anything new. Any utility they do have results in people REEEEE-ing (ignoring hardness to get past obstacles, any movement shenanigans, walking through walls)

>>54972789
>Student of Philosophy or Orator on the caster.
No every Caster is Int Based. Also, Initiators can benefit from Student of Philosophy just as much as a Caster can. Debatable more because of skill check maneuvers/save
>>54972804
>desu I'm sick of PoW because classes still feel restricted as shit and content takes for fucking ever to get anything new.
Explain, because Path of War is pretty fucking versatile in what you can make. I mean you have.
>for fucking ever
I mean where else is there to even go with Path of War now? You have tons of stuff as is, and Rajah is on the way.

>>54970980
Nice. Adding it to houserules, I suppose.

>>54972886
>I mean where else is there to even go with Path of War now?
Manuever errata and give them shit to do out of combat.

>>54970404
>what would you want out of a lewdgame that isn't a bamboozle? Characters, genres, settings, gimmicks, whatever - your ideas are perhaps more valid than mine.
I want a pure love that leads to marriage

>>54972886
Errata we were told about years ago has gone completely silent. Classes haven't had archetypes in ages. The people who wanted "A charisma X" were given a PrC in an April Fool's book and told to fuck off. They make more disciplines instead of expanding on old ones so each one has more choices in stances or even remotely viable maneuvers.

It's stale, and I'm sick of hearing about how amazing it supposedly is and how anyone who doesn't use it is cancer.

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>>54971067
I believe it. Psionics are just sort of perverse.

>>54972034
People are fucking repulsive. wild surge is a treasure.

>>54972967
We got the Errata, part 1, a few months ago. Progress is slow, but is being made.

>>54973024
As someone who hates most celebshit, especially the likes of iKiD and Succula, I agree that people like Wild Surge need to be treasured.

Anyone who makes stuff, homebrewers, artfags, and DMs should get some respect, otherwise we run out the constructive community and leave nothing but people who make their name carousing. Even Vult at least tries to contribute, so while I think he should fuck off with blatant attention seeking, we should at least respect his homebrews.

Compromises must be made with celeb culture, just fighting it will turn away all personalities that're smart enough to have some awareness, leaving just the ones bad enough not to care.

>>54973024
DESU anybody who draws art for their campaign is a treasure. I would love it if one of my players were an artist. I've been thinking that I might commission a picture when we finish this next book of our campaign, but realistically the price tag would just be out of my budget if it were going to include the whole party.

>>54973110
>Secretly draw at about the same level as WS but hide it from my group so no one makes requests

>>54973144
Prove it! Draw a shovel!

>>54972967
>es. The people who wanted "A charisma X" were given a PrC in an April Fool's book and told t
/pfg/ would make a charisma fucking everything if they had a chance because they're perverts.

If you're concept really needs for you to switch a stat around, I'm sure any DM you've built some reasonable rapport with can make a compromise and any GM who would allow Path of War the table is probably at least a little bit open to stuff like.

>>54973170
>/pfg/ would make a charisma fucking everything if they had a chance because they're perverts.
Charisma is also force of will, and sometimes I want to make someone whose shit works because he motherfucking says it works and it's that simple.

>>54973091
>iKiD and Succula
I blame these two for the "PM THEM" cancer. Shit's not endearing, funny, or cute. It's just annoying.

>>54973187
This.
More than that, it's cruel.

>>54973025
How's that new Deadly Agility working out for you, senpai

>>54973091
Nice try, Vult

>>54973223
It's emotional bullying

>>54973239
Dunno, I Strfag most of the time

>>54973266
Ah, so you play Warder and Brutal Slayer exclusively I see

>>54973262
Yes, actual bullying. Designed to cripple someone emotionally, if not physically, and intimidate them.

I hate how /pfg/ has devalued the term bully. It's so overused that when someone actually starts bullying others, it gets treated as a joke.

>>54973290
Don't make me punish your puss puss with my bully pole, anon. I'll bully your holes until you're a mess!

>>54973290
That's not pfg's doing. It comes from schools nowadays, where even a slight insult is bullying.

Kids are all but being told day in day out that words will kill them. So the slightest hint of something making one feel bad like going "that doesn't sound real" when told that somehow someone is 'demigirl-agender today but not yesterday' sends everyone on fucking defcon1 and gets treated as if they were being held down by three guys and kicked in the head for ten minutes until they wake up in the hospital a day later and get told to suck it up because they're on the team and you're a benchwarmer.

>>54973091
Why hate on Succ? He's just a guy, like a basic community member. The Mario of people on Discord.

>>54973290
People are bullying me right now.
You know what I do about it? Mope and focus on chores at home.
Turn bullying productive. Clean something.

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>>54973386
>words not killing
Harkonens need to leave.

>>54973144
Draw your favorite meme character doing something unexpected.

>>54973442
Sonic weapons running off powerword-kill force powers are far from being just words.

>>54973400
If he were just a guy it'd be fine, but he's publicly self-shilled, a lot, and he's brought up as a celeb when he makes no contributions of any sort to the thread. At least iKiD has a meme character and writes well, Succula is only a meme because of Discord circlejerking.

He's only obnoxious on his own but I think he's the forerunner for meme players and paved the way for all the other shits openly participating in app pageantry.

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>>54973290
>Designed to cripple someone emotionally, if not physically, and intimidate them.

But it's on the poster. It's part of this place until there's an updated poster.

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How old is your character? How old does he/she look like?

>>54973495
>but I think he's the forerunner for meme players and paved the way for all the other shits openly participating in app pageantry.

It's an interesting thought. He's very judicious about applying fast and often

>>54973524
First one: Looks way older than he is (Is adult, looks venerable)

Second: Looks her age (Early 20's)

Third: Looks her age (Early 40's)

Fourth: Looks his age (early 30's)

Fifth: Looks his age ( early 30's)

>>54973524
My character looks in his 30s, but is in fact even older!

>>54973524
>Looks 14 but is __3

>>54973524
Character A: Early 20s, looks it.
Character B: Late 20s, looks it, maybe a little older with all his scars.
Character C: Mid-late 20s, looks a little younger, planetouched traits seem to have aged him slower.

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So building an assassin (not the class) what I have to work with is paizo only, so mixing it with wizard, but I am having trouble settling on a weapon. My current dilemma is between estoc (if I want to burn a feat for ewp), kukri, dagger, or spring blade. Any suggestions? Or anything else I should look at?
The estoc feels the best mechanicaly to me.
Also any build thoughts would be welcomed.

>>54973682
For got to add in it is a gestalt game where one half must be unchained rogue.

When are we getting intrigue game greentext?

>>54973682
Kukri

>>54973883
When you PM THEM you bullybait cutiepie!

>>54973682
Estoc a Bestoc for URogue, given how you get the benefit of a 1-hander for that tasty 1.5x Dex. Being a Half-Elf for the proficiency isn't that bad a plan.

Ok, is there a way to gain claw attacks that isn't wild shape or a spell? I'm a tiefling with maw trait

>>54973982
No if you wanted to natural attack stack you should have been a skinwalker

>>54973982

Feral Mutagen?

>>54973982
Plenty. Several rage powers and bloodlines, dragon disciple, I believe mutagen warrior archetype can get some claw attacks...

>>54974076
Ah, no, I'm a bladebound magus and I'm doing just fine as I'm now, I was thinking if I could get claws in my normal state

If firearms costed a bit more than heavy crossbow, would they break the game?

>>54974116
For what?

>>54973682
>>54973782
I would have went Vigilante/Alchemist if I were you

>>54974139
It would be extremely painful

>>54974139
Depends, do they still explode and break on bad rolls?
Do they still reload slower than cross bows?
If so, no.

>>54973682
>Not Rogue/Vivisectionist
Great mistake

>>54974156
A mix of Justin Case and 4funsies

I'm also kinda regreeting some choices too, we started at 1st level and the game was 20 point buy so I went Dex, but now that I'm at 5th level i realize I could have went Str

>>54974184
Why go for a vivisectionist?
The primary reason for wizard was teleportation school.

>>54974184
>stacking Rogue and Vivesectionist

that seems redundant, desu

>>54974139
>tfw GM introduced firearms
>tfw they were all rifles
>tfw no alchemical cardtriges or gunslinger or archetypes to make rifles viable
>tfw rifles are now just 1st turn mass shooting for enemies only
Fucker did it on purpose

>>54974218
>>54974229
>Why having 20d6 sneak attack?
Dunno, for killing and stuff

>>54974211
Really Dex is better in the long run, you will face more touch attacks then you will flat footed attacks, also extra initiative so you can get that one hit kill off easier.
The damage boost from str is really minor especially for magus since they can not two hand.

>>54974258
It doesn't stack numbnuts

>>54974259
Not him but Str Magus can turn into monsters and get the best out of it, Dex Magus can't (well, it can but is shooting at his own foot)

>>54974258
>gestalt is stacking!!!!
Damn, I should go Cleric || Arcanist to be Rainbow Servant Wizard on steroids

>>54974258
Why does 20d6 sneak attack even matter?
Make the enemy helpless then wait a turn and coup de grace them

>>54974274
Cleric || Wizard IS a legit thing though, even if it's pretty hard since they have different casting stats. Dunno if there's a way to make an Int Cleric or Wis Wizard.

>>54974300
Isn't Cleric || Wizard just "Mystic Theurge but not shit"?
Why hasn't Paizo put out a Mystic Theurge hybrid ffs

>>54974300
Oracle /sorc is generally the way you sad gestalt super caster.

>>54974312
>spoiler
Look at what happened last time they hybrided two full casters.

>>54974334
Yeah, but they be spont casters and spont caster is gross.
Wonder if Spellsage || Sage Sorcerer is a thing, it's SAD superarcane with the ability to just yoink any spell at all.

>>54974351
They made a cool class, what's the problem?

>>54974416
I'm a caster supremacist and I think it's overpowered.

>>54974456
>this class is OP
Then play it, I dunno why you whinny fags complain so much, if you think is strong and unfair, fucking play it, what's stopping you?

>>54974509
>if you think it ruins games then you should go ahead and ruin games with it
Is this the power of being a munchkin? Do you take Sacred Geometry too? I know it's overpowered garbage because I fucking played it, I'm a caster supremacist do you really think I didn't play "Wizard: now pseudospontaneous and with higher DC" the class?

>>54974577
Or you could just be a wizard, play safe until 5th level, then craft yourself a million Pearls of Power while laughing at how you can leave half your slots empty and prep whatever the fuck you need with just a minute of prep.

>>54974669
Or I could not be an asshole, since that invites the GM to say "a new technology that allows everyone to cheaply and safely put up an Antimagic Field has been discovered!"

>>54973682

Stygian slayer with a headsman's blade?

>>54974354
>Yeah, but they be spont casters and spont caster is gross.
It matters less when you have twice the amount of spells known.

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Setting has a bard academy and a wizard city. Magical items are in abundance, and every gang has at least one person with enough charisma to bluff the spots off a leopard, the city guard can't keep up. Vigilantes have taken up the slack, though the criminals are adaptable, and the first of the arch villains have started to appear.

Tell me your ideas for superheroes. Names, themes, skills, archetypes, or their nemises.

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>>54974878
Name: Ars Magna
Theme: FGO's King Solomon, but with tits
Skills: Mythic Wizard 10 / Rainbow Servant 10 / Incantatrix 10.
Nemises: None lol

>>54974878
I'm more interested in the arch villains. The Joker >>>>> Batman.

Do you still need to roll concentration if you're casting a verbal only spell while tied but not gagged?

>>54975083
Concentration is just to get the spell off, it has nothing to do with the components. A Silenced Power Word Stun still requires a concentration check if a huge black dude is pinning you.

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>>54975019
I agree, im tempted to just throw some captain hammer quality heroes so tjat the villains can really shine.

Any cool villian concepts to share?

>>54975238
I dunno honestly. CCC, Rodrick, and a hypothetical Communism Princess from Ensoulment would make an amazing trio, it's Autocratic Totalism, Anarcho-Capitalism, and Communism. A triple threat to freedumbs.

>>54975272
>are you a bad enough man to fight for neoliberal interests, the Pentagon, big banking, and Isreal, against the henious threats of the Other?

>>54975272
As Communism Princess Anon, I can safely say that Rodrick and C3 would both be too philosophically antagonistic to form an alliance with

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>>54971329
>>54972897
Glad to be of service, I hope to fill it out with more old errata and that I won't have to keep up with too many new changes. Not really sure to what degree I should keep recording stuff, though, since while some changes are total bullshit (Jingasa and QRS), others are very much justified (Old Divine Protection was some bullshit). Shit like Slashing Grace should probably be my middle-ground, though.

>>54975362
The entire point is that all three of them would probably attempt to kill the other two on sight.
C3 wants to be God, and Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Rodrick is anarchomemism, which is the opposite of what CCC wants AND the opposite of Communism.
The first thing Communists do when coming into power, possibly even before hanging the bourgeoisie is become iconoclasts on crack and kill the gods, while anarchomemism, being capitalism on steroids, is diametrically opposed to communism.
It's be like a four-way brawl.
Cornelia uses Wizard shit, so probably Poppets, Undead, and Golems.
Rodrick uses child soldiers.
Communism Princess uses The Great Patriotic People's Army aka dirt peasants with a spear

>>54975131
Can you pick Skill Focus with concentration?

>>54975469
It's not a skill so no

>>54975469
No pathfinder made it no longer a skill.

>>54975463
>Cornelia raises undead shit that creates more undead shit out of People's Army kills
>Rodrick bribes mechanics into reprogramming her Golems, somehow
>Compie (Communism Princess) speaks to the heart and soul of the child soldiers and they revolt against Rodrick
I like it

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Question

If my Hunter does not follow any god, are his spells still Divine? If yes, then where is the Divinity supplying him this power?

>>54975604
Nature.

>>54975604
The Earth Mother or some shit

>>54975604
Like druids, you channel the natural powers of, well, nature which is in some sense an entity itself, though more abstract in nature (pun not intended) than proper gods.

>>54975604
Gods aren't the only source of divine power

>>54975655
You should be able to cast divine spells after grabbing 10/10 tits or ass, discuss.

>>54975640
>>54975655
What if he's a lazy, greedy fuck who only wants to fish, drink, and find the largest gold nugget in the world? Would he be getting his power from the aquatic aspects of nature, the earth and mineral aspects, or from being euphoric?

>>54975739
He'd be getting it for existing on the planet and being in tune with the world.

>>54975739
In that case the God of Shekels, god of Families Broken By Alcoholism and God of Relentlessly Killing Aquatic Wildlife would all give you divine powers on the sly.

>>54975739
Whatever you decide. Divine magic was never terribly thought out and isn't very consistent.

Alternatively, such a person wouldn't be a Hunter but a Slayer, Barbarian, or that Ranger Variant that doesn't get spells.

What are some fun gestalt combos when starting at level 7?

>>54975833
Wizard/Arcanist

>>54975833
Arcanist || Fighter for dem feats and full BAB.
Arcanist || Paladin for infinisaves works too.

>http://www.pathfindercommunity.net/iconic-characters/seltyiel---iconic-magus/seltyiel-iconic-magus-1
>Weapon warps from scimitar to longsword several times
>+8 perception
>16 Str and 0 BaB yet hit with +5
What am I missing?

>>54975885
The fact that it's no surprise if one of the Iconics are built terribly.

>>54975885
On top of being fucking mary sues, iconics are also cheaters

>>54975885
The part where Iconics are jokes.

>>54975777
Fair enough. I guess I'll make his bond with his animal companion be the source of his divine magic, since his companion if probably the only living thing he genuinely cares for aside himself.
>>54975774
>Families Broken by Alcoholism
Lol, that's actually kind close to his backstory. All he would spend his days doing was fish, drink, and talk about how one day he was going to find the largest gold nugget in the world. So his village ganged up on him and his bear when they were drunkenly fishing, tied him to his boat, and pushed him out to sea

>>54975885
Arcane pool for enhancement bonus and his weapon focus.

>>54975978
>Weapon focus (scimitar)
>Hits with a +4 with longsword before using Arcane pool
How?

>>54976011
+3 STR and arcane pool when using the longsword.

>>54976023
>literally says it hits with +4 with longsword BEFORE using arcane pool
Again, how?

So how about opinions on these campaign traits?

>Merciless (evil alignment only): You receive a +1 trait bonus on Bluff, Sense Motive, and Diplomacy checks. In addition, you receive the Betrayer feat as a bonus feat, even if you do not meet the prerequisites.

>Hired Muscle: Whether this work was distasteful or the pay was too low, you left when you could and endeavored to start your own organization. You receive a +2 trait bonus on all Intimidate checks. In addition, once per day, you can demoralize an opponent as a free action and you receive a +2 trait bonus on attack rolls against any opponent that's demoralized. You also take no penalty for doing attacks non-lethally with a lethal weapon. Finally, you receive a bonus equal to your character level to all strength checks to break open doors, chests, or similar obstacles. At 6th level, you can roll twice when breaking open such an object and take the better result.

>Trickster: You receive a +1 trait bonus bonus on three skills of your choice. In addition, you can attempt to disable any non-magical lock or trap as a standard action that provokes attacks of opportunity. Finally, you receive an additional skill point per level. This stacks with all other bonuses to determine your total skill points per level.

>Wayward Mage (spellcasters class only): You receive a +1 trait bonus on Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (planes), and Knowledge (religion). In addition, when doing research rolls, you can roll twice and take the higher result. Finally, you must select a single spell that you can cast that becomes your favored spell. The DC for this spell, if any, is increased by 2, and your effective caster level counts as 2 higher. At 4th level, you may change the spell this trait applies to. You may change it again at 8th, 12th, 16th, and 20th level.

1/3

>>54975885
You forgot
>Stealth +6
Srly, how does he have Per +8 and Stealth +6?, they aren't class skills for Maguses and as a Half elf he only gets +2 to Perception

>>54975591
I'm seriously regretting not applying with Communism Princess

>>54976040
>Former Pirate: You receive a +1 trait bonus on Acrobatics, Climb, Survival, and Swim checks. In addition, you roll twice for all of these skills and take the better result outside of combat. whenever you are the only one threatening an opponent in melee, you receive a +1 on attack rolls, damage rolls, and armor class.

>Ex-Gendarme: You receive a +2 trait bonus on Knowledge (local) and a +2 trait bonus on Diplomacy with crime bosses, city officials, and town guard. In addition, once per day, you can re-roll a failed Diplomacy or Bluff check and add your character level to the re-roll. Finally, you add a +2 to your Leadership score due to your influence and contacts among various local leaders, should you ever take the Leadership feat.

>Golden Heart (good alignment only): You receive a +2 trait bonus on one of the following skills of your choice: Diplomacy, Acrobatics, Stealth, or Disable Device. In addition, as a standard action, you can automatically stabilize any person you can touch and. You also receive a +1 morale bonus on all saving throws and this stacks with other morale bonuses. This bonus lost is lost if the owner of this trait kills an unarmed, helpless, or surrendering opponent and instead receives a -1 penalty to all saving throws for 1 month or until they atone for their actions. Finally, you can receive a +1 morale bonus to attack rolls and skill checks if you donate 100 GP to a local good organization or leader. This benefit lasts for 1 week. At 6th level, your morale bonuses increase to +2 and the donation requirement increases to 200 GP.

2/3

>>54973495
Succula is THE number 1 shitposter in these threads. You have hang around him for a while to see it, but once you do, you'll realize just how much garbage he dumps in these threads. He is generally nice though.

IKiD is just rude and very caught up in himself. Also shitposts a lot.

>>54976036
Because they fucked up his inventory among his other skills. He doesn't have a longsword in there and his longsword has scimitar stats.

>>54976088
>Underhanded Artisan: You receive a +4 trait bonus on one Craft or Profession skill of your choice. In addition, you make 10% more gold when using this skill to make money (for a total 110% value, before any settlement modifiers). In addition, you can sell any treasure you find at 10% higher value and may attempt a Bluff check to increase this value to 20% opposed by the Merchant's Sense Motive modified by the town's Economy score. Failure by 5 or more at this check negates the bonus of this trait for selling the goods for 1 week.

>Thrill Seeker: You receive a +2 trait bonus on one skill from the following list: Acrobatics, Bluff, or Stealth. In addition, once per day when you use this skill, you can treat your die roll as a natural 20, but you cannot use this if you've already rolled. You also receive a +2 bonus on Perception and Sense Motive checks to avoid being caught flat-footed.

3/3

>>54974878
>>54975272
I'd play this t. bh

>>54976094
They should PM each other, then post logs.

>>54976107
What campaign is this for?!

>>54976145
One that a friend of mine is running, I just thought they were interesting so I figured I would share. I gutted all the flavor texts though because they're long and detailed and would have made that take many more posts.

>>54976099
>Other Gear longsword, dagger, sling with 10 bullets, leather armor...
He actually has a longsword though. But yeah, it has to be that, his scimiar is his longsword. Now the only mistery is how the fuck does he have +8 to perception and +6 to stealth being both non class skills for magi

I might use this kind of stuff next time I play in PFS

>>54976040
>>54976088
>>54976107
These all are way too powerful compared to official traits. Some are just broken

>>54976186
The math doesn't add up in any form. +2 Keen senses, -1 from wis and assuming he put a point in it only brings it up to +2. He need to have it as a class skill and skill focus in it to bring it to +8 at level 1 with the penalty. Maybe they haven't listed a trait that gives perception as a class skill and forgot to add them in since all iconics are done with character creation rules and added some on top of it for no reason other than to be cool? Same with stealth, though that would just need to be a class skill to add up to what it is.

>>54976275
It is paizo they may have forgotten that perception is a Wis skill not an Int skill.

>>54976255
Some of them seem stronger then others, none look hand over fist broken to me.

>>54976040
>>54976088
>>54976107

Lessee from top to bottom

Free feat is pretty strong as a trait, so that's a bit powerful

Bonus equal to character level is way overpowered here for a trait and maybe remove bonus to attack rolls against demoralized enemies.

Remove extra skill point and it's kosher

Drop the DC bonus to just 1 and it's kosher.

Remove either double roll or the melee bonuses and it's kosher.

This is just stupid powerful. Remove the reroll and bonus equal to level and it might be kosher.

Bonus to all out the window, limit stabilize and make the donation part last for less time and it's kosher.

Drop the bonus by one and it's kosher.

It's kosher.

>>54976329
>+1 to all saves, +2 to attack
>Not broken
>+2 to intimidate and +2 to attack demoralized people
I would pick this so hard for literally any martial ever I play because cornugon smash
>Disabling traps in a single standard action
>MOTHERFUCKING +2 TO CL AND DC TO A SPELL OF YOUR CHOICE AND YOU CAN CHANGE IT EVERY 4 LEVELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will pick this over my mother's life

>>54976114
Logs are old hat. The new fad is making fake accounts and starting up bamboozle games to trick all the plebeians before crushing their dreams.

>>54976329
>Some of these traits are even better than some 4 feat chain that everybody picks because they're incredible good
>"I don't see anything wrong with them"
You're blind then

>>54976094
Is there anyone in that discord that isn't cancer?

>>54976474
They're all from /pgg/ so no.

>>54976380
You think we'll see more? 3 in a row and a player boozle is pretty powerful. Won't people get cautious?

>>54976496
At last, I truly see

>>54976474
Which discord?

>>54976511
It's a concerted effort by the Cabal to punish the rest of us for mocking and rejecting them. It only ends when our spirits break.

>>54976547
Nice try, cabalite

>>54976541
Fuck off, Kawase

>>54976593
Accusing me of being Cabal is exactly what cabalite scum would do!

>>54976547
Pretty shitty bait, then. They're only going to break thirsty fucks too desperate for their own good.

>>54976599
???

>>54976599
Kawase died 30 years ago.

>>54976622
Thirst is one of the only pillars left holding this space up, Anon. If thirst dies, the collapse will be irreversible,

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Has anybody here ever played an occultist or any occult class for that matter? How shit is a melee occultist when compared to anything other in the existence of ever?

>>54976709
Then let it fall.

>>54976710
It's easily the best 1pp full BAB class

>>54976750
Occultist is not a full BAB class.

>>54976750
But occultist is 3/4 BAB 6th level caster.

>>54976761
It can be, with Trappings Of The Warrior; it then becomes the only 6th-level caster with full BAB.

>>54976750
I'd say base monk is better, honestly. The Vow of Poverty is ridiculously strong on it. I'm surprised Paizo hasn't nerfed it, but
>Paizo
>doing anything right

>>54976773
But that panoply eats up all of your mental focus if you want to use it and reduces the number of spells you get.

>>54976710
Occultist is better than the Magus in every way that isn't "I hit it with a critical shocking grasp"

>>54976850
I'm pretty sure you get the spells from one of the source implements, and for fuck's sake you get BAB for putting focus points into the implements you were ALREADY PUTTING FOCUS POINTS IN SO YOU COULD BE A MELEE CHARACTER IN THE FIRST PLACE. BOTH OF WHICH ARE THE BEST.

>>54976797
>baiting this hard

>>54976474
Not from among its most active users, no.

>>54976912
I'm just throwing rocks in a lake at this point.

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>>54976797

What are the best Avowed shapes?

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>>54976761
>>54976850
Things you get with Trappings of the Warrior
>another set of spells taken from Abjuration and Transmutation
>for every 4 points of focus in EITHER implements (Weapon for Transmutation, Shield for Abjuration) you get +1 BAB that can cap your BAB=Occultist Level so long as you are have a particular weapon (the one you invested focus in) in your hand.

So at level 20, for the cost of 20 focus split between a weapon and shield, in adittion to BAB=Level you are ALSO GETTING
>+8 Enhancement bonus to one ability score for the cost of 12 focus
>+4 Resistance bonus to all saves for 8 focus

Those are both implements that any melee occultist would be taking anyway, because they're that fucking good. THEN, because you're probably not retarded and have a +6 headband to go with 16-18 base Int and are either an Elf or a Half elf for the +1/2 level to focus FCB, you still have anywhere from 16-17 extra focus, which means
>you pour 4 more points to bump your Resistance bonus saves to +6
>can pour the rest (12-13) into Divination for the "fuck you I have all the senses I will ever need now"

Sure, that scales back since nobody is likely to really hit level 20, but you get the point.

>>54977358
Aether Channel for melee. Aether Retaliation is good for punishing and taking advantage of action economy.

Everything else is pretty much gravy imo, just pick your preferred method of ranged attacking to compliment. I like Aether Circus but it's not that great unless paired with movement disables.

>>54969028
Blood, sweat, and tears. It's pretty gross.

>>54969322
1) Find mercenaries
2) Do paperwork
3) Send mercenaries to do missions and bounties
4) Pay them if successful
5) Take large percentages of loot they collect and turn in bounties for profit

Why would you still be playing Pathfinder?

Starfinder has literally replaced it. It's destroyed all of Pathfinder's shitty rules.

>>54977726
Prestidigitation can get that cleaned up for you in a jiffy!

>>54977817
Starfinder's rules are even shittier though.

>>54977865
LMAO

That's a funny way of saying improved in every way.

>>54977358
>Aether Blade and Aether Barrage are EZMode, decent damage that scales stupid well thanks to being touch attacks
>Aether Channel and Aether Rounds are for if you want to be a generic 3/4th BAB guy with no attack boosts, "BUT MORE DAMAGE"
>Aether Blast is a generic fireball that's just nice to have a single rank of, Retaliation is okay if you just want more to do I guess
>Aether Command is retardedly good if you have melee martials that need to get into position, and you would prefer to spam clauses instead of directly attack
>the rest tend to be super situational to the point I never really cared about them

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>>54977963
And how do you figure that?

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>>54977963
"Made haste help martials in a way that isn't raw damage" and "improved on some shitty feats" does not equal "improved in every way" paizodrone

>>54977991
What about if you have a bunch of Initiators? Is Aether Command good then?

>>54978079
Surprisingly, probably not. There are some maneuvers that do it better and it doesn't allow them to initiate strikes, just basic attacks.

>>54978039
>Paizodrone
>Arguing against one paizo thing for another

:thinking:

>>54970404
I really hope this comes through, games have been dry here for so long.

>>54978023
Iterative attacks,
Multi-attacks,
All the classes they've introduced,
6th level spellcasting
Soldier is useful and unique, not a Fighter feat machine who does one thing and sucks compared to spellcasters
Technology and magic done very well

Also a slew of other things.
Now fuck off.

>>54973883
Session just finished. So that'll be when I ass myself to writing it up!

But a few highlights...
>THE FIENDS AND INTRIGUES OF HOUSE KARVANE
>Prologue, Session 1, In which...
>Everyone keeps talking about what they're wearing
>The mayor's wig is stolen on purpose
>Rude Elf almost fails to get a room
>Everyone is spying on everyone (and failing spectacularly)
>Everyone wonders where Elvargian is
>Everyone thinks Daddy Knight is Elvargian
>Daddy Knight turns out not to be Elvargian and everyone's mad about it
>Two young men try to play a game of strategy but are rudely interrupted by cute elves
>Meat pies
>Stranger Ranger Danger
>The spook turns out to be a bamboozle after all, but it was foretold so it was K
>The questgiver tries to give our party a mission (or does she?) and nobody believes her
>The party comes with her anyway because they're paranoid about what she might be up to
>Also apparently there are exploding rivers here
>SUDDENLY, MONSTERS?

Will post more intricately later, now I must sleep.

>>54978213
>technology and magic done very well
Fuck, you were doing so good too, b8-kun

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>>54978192
It won't. It's pure, unadulterated bait for thirstlords.

>>54978226
Nobody gives a shit, kys.

>>54978260
Why is everyone so against greentext all of a sudden?

>>54978274
Because we're tired of people using the thread to masturbate to their own self-shilled "celebrity" status. Play your fucking game and have fun, but keep it to yourself. If somebody wants to know how things went they can ask you.

>>54978274
"everyone" isn't, it's just a salty memer who wants the thread to stop actually playing pathfinder.

>>54978079
Not really unfortunately; it grants a free normal attack for an ally, not a free standard action or even attack action, just "melee basic attack". It works well for rogues or DEX-fighters though, since they often use weaker weapons while your Aether Pulse keeps on getting better.

>>54978295
I do, actually. I love hearing the stories of the various /pfg/ games

Talking about pathfinder games in the pathfinder thread is normal, or are you just salting because you didn't get in, anon-kun?

>>54978274
It's not everybody, it's a vocal minority of mongoloids who are still assblasted they weren't picked for any of the good games they applied for. See >>54978295 as a prime example.

>>54978295
>WE
Calm that multiple personality disorder a few degrees, anon. You are not the thread. And you may have noticed the greentext was in reply to someone who, shock and awe, actually ASKED for it.

>>54978295
>we're
Try harder fuckface, not everyone agrees with your shitty opinion

>>54978295
>If somebody wants to know how things went they can ask you.
Oh, wow, that's funny, because it looks like >>54973883 is exactly that! Go fuck yourself, shitposter-kun!

>>54978339
>Anonymously requesting greentexts from the game you're in to pretend people give a shit about you
You're so pathetic it hurts.

What armor would be the equivalent of a brigandine?

>>54978361
>actually wanting to play an intrigue game
You can be interested in how other people fuck up without wanting to be a part of the shitshow itself. Try again dork.

>>54978295
Sad you didn't get in? I got in and I wasn't even in the discord by the time I apped. In fact I avoided /pfg/ like the plague for the most part.

>>54978361
No, anon. You don't get saves to disbelieve against reality.

>>54978373
Depending on how you squint, either the Armored Coat or the Studded Leather.

I'm more partial to the Armored Coat.

>>54978388
Nice try, but I wouldn't have touched that turd with a ten foot pole.

>>54978373
Armored Coat, most likely; easy to put on, a bit finicky, and decently-protective.

>>54978310
I mean, the fourth level version lets me make them move about 15 feet then I can get them to attack something random like the ground if they REALLY need to be moving. Also, I guess I can help them close the gap.

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>>54978213
Y'know, if you had actually bothered to explain why you thought Starfinder was better than or an improvement over Pathfinder, instead of just dropping a list of things you like about it and going on the defensive, I might have been willing to listen.

Instead, see pic related.

>>54978454
Mobility is nice, and is real helpful if the character you're using it on can capitalize on it, but that's something that works for anyone rather than "this is absolutely-fantastic with an initiating ally".

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>>54978480
>explain why it's better
>don't list things you like though

lmao

>>54978226
This was a voiced game right? I'm really curious what DHB sounds like. Someone in the game please respond.

>>54978560
He has a deep and comfy voice.
>captcha: comfort drinks
very comfy

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>>54974878
If anyone is interested, I'm taking the batman parody to the extreme, even though I already have a batman/Alfred parody going.

>after the death of their son, a wealthy family cracks
>dad becomes hammer man, (because bat~club~hammer+captain hammer) less about caped crusading and more about bashing criminal skulls in.
>mom does what she can to bring her son back, ends up zombifying him. She treats the undead like her son and makes playmates for him. Eventually building a circus of the undead.

>>54978582
I thought DHB was a girl.

Can someone explain why all PFG threads started with furry weeaboo art? I've never played PF.

>>54978702
See >>54973511

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>>54978702
Monstergirls aren't furry.

>>54978582
What does everyone else sound like?

How do you give a construct feats? Does it just get them every 1/2 or 1/3 hit die?

>>54978845
Depends on if they are mindless or not.
>Skill points equal to 2 + Int modifier (minimum 1) per Hit Die. However, most constructs are mindless and gain no skill points or feats. Constructs do not have any class skills, regardless of their Intelligence scores.

New thread
>>54978913
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>>54978920
Page fucking 6, /pgg/ shitlord.

>>54978920
You are a fucking faggot, you know that?

>>54978877
Thanks I found what I was looking for
>Agile Poppet (Price +200 gp): The poppet’s joints are carefully articulated to provide it a more flexible range of motion. The poppet gains Acrobatic, Athletic, or Stealthy as a bonus feat. A poppet can gain this augmentation up to three times, providing the poppet with a different feat each time.

Some of the augmentations require feats and I didn't read the first one all the way through.

Let's try a /pfg/ this time.

>>54978973
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>>54970404
>What region of Golarion would you be interested in playing in?
I think it's easier to say what APs I'm interested in: The Mummy's Mask, Reign of WInter, Carrion Crown, and Way of the Wicked(3pp AP)
>What level do you want to start at?
Level 1-3
>What 3pp do you absolutely want in?
Path of War, N.Jolly Material, and maybe Gonzo I & II
>What houeserules would you want in?
Elephant in the Room Feat Tax and Background Skills
>What do you want out of a lewdgame that isn't a bamboozle
A casual, light hearted game where we can giggle about boobs and dicks without some prude getting OFFENDED™.
If I wanted to get high concept, maybe one where the sex has a purpose, such as the games goal is to breed a kingdom/army or that doing LEWD things restores health/stamina/rage/ki/grit/panashe/etc.