Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Who the fuck is that?

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>>54962591
First for Perty is unappreciated.

Most books are bad.

>>54962602
Our Spiritual Liege.

>>54962607
So if there's only one unaligned daemon prince then who uplifted pert?

>>54962607
As he should be.

He has no achievements, not success. Nothing.

>>54962602
AryanDuncan.

>>54962513
Ok then, more Rustie faces it is. I can easily manage four more of those, and I'll order in some more claws while I'm at it.

>>54962549

Yeah, let's hope the codex is written by someone who gives a damn, because if I was GW right now I would release a tune-up FAQ for the armies like us and Tau to fix things up. Wouldn't take long, and they could always make a print-out PDF that fit onto the points and/or wargear page to correct everything without obscuring other stuff. Just cut out the blanks and blutack it on. Seriously, it would be like an hours work ans would actually provide a reason for the retarded locations of point values in the new rules.

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WARNING: CONTENT MIGHT BE HAZARDOUS FOR YOUR HEALTH

>>54962629
He could just be a super corrupted primarch

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Daily reminder that the 'Iron Cage' thing that Ironlets like to prattle on about has been retconned as a win for the Imperial Fists.

>Iron Warriors spring trap
>End up with a stalemate

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>>54962654
Wrong

Requesting the PDF of Shroud of Darkness please and thank you.

>>54962690
That's old lore.

Like squats and zoats, its gone baby.

>>54962702
Not really, as it comes from the same index as the IF telling. Each has their own telling of the story but one doesn't retcon the other.

>>54962645
You know you've made a good OC when someone reposts it within an hour.
I didn't even think people would think it was funny considering I barely put effort into it

>>54962690
Imperial Fists just get fucked by everything.

Either Iron Warriors beat their Primarch, or the Orks kill them to a man.

>>54962726
Thats what makes it funny, its natural.

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[childish shooty noises]

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So non-trueborn Dark Eldar are grown in test tubes so their mothers aren't made vulnerable by pregnancy, but are they grown in the tubes to full adulthood or are there creches and schools in Commorragh? Seems like protecting a kid would just as bad for your life expectancy as being pregnant.

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I love my black templars but hate painting white please help

>>54962765
Are you layer up to it properly? Have you tried doing a cream color with Rakarth Flesh, Pallid Wych Flesh, and Agrax Earthshade instead?

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>>54962765
Fellow Templars player here, I know that feel.

>>54962752
Everyone likes to play with their dudes like toys

>>54962765
do the shoulders seperate then glue them on

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My friend did this cause they couldn't assemble it. Fuckign why

>>54962844
>couldn't assemble it
Is following directions seriously this hard for people?

>>54962752
I wish I was rich and wasteful enough to afford FW russes

>>54962844
So he threw it on the ground?

Why are Black Templar players so insufferable? They're those neckbeards who go WWAAAGGGHH in the store, but instead it's HERESY memes.

>every new marine dex release they cry about not having their own book again
>LARP on every fucking thread
>make shitty Imperial Fist """legion""" lists painted in BT colours because of one unit
>already crying BL hates them due to Sigmund not killing Abbadon in a book set in the past

>>54962631
He also thought that enacting a ritual decimation of frikkin' Space Marines, and has the most Loyalist characters out of any Traitor Legion.

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>>54962844
But... how?

>>54962871
I haven't seen a single BT player RPing on this board

>>54962909
Most "Why are ____ so insufferable?" posts are just random bullshit some anon thought up. It's shitposting, normally just flinging stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

>>54962786
Store is getting some wych flesh in, have been trying to layer with the others to no avail. Tried priming a couple mini's white and going from there but thats it's own kind of misery.

I feel like my other problem is a combination of stroking to close together and making my paints TOO thin.

>>54962844
What is "it"?

>>54962975
Celestra grey > ulthan grey > nuln oil in recesses > white scar to highlight as needed

Tada, white.

>>54962629
technically Lorgar is undivided as well

don't try to explain it although between the two Lorgar is the one that deserves it the most and actually works as an unaligned one

>>54963014
Completely wrecked beyond salvaging.

also a deff dread by the looks of it

>>54962844
Is your friend like 10?

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DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA

>>54962870
I'M AN ADUUUULT

>>54963225
Not enuf dakka

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>>54963225
DAKKA DAKKA
DAKKA

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>>54963225

FIRST RANK FIRE! SECOND RANK FIRE!

So y'all know a Stormraven is a weird future helicopter, not a plane, right?

I've never played against anyone other than my brother, no tournaments or painting contests or anything, but I had a question;

Regarding the necron overlords/catacomb CB, I have never seen one of those fuckers NOT holding a rez orb. Yet to take it is optional. What is the solution to this if you are playing WYSIWYG? Are you supposed to clip off the orb and glue some other hand in place? Honestly I find the rez orb slightly lacking and would prefer to not take it. But if we could keep the focus on my question and not what a terrible opinion that is, I would appreciate it greatly.

>>54963298
I thought it was a gun ship, or a flying tank.

>>54962752
Are those 100 Steel legionaries?

I like Chimeras.

>>54963253
>phoneposted thumbnail

>>54963298
The STC for a helicopter was lost, only Orks still have the technology

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>>54963354

yes

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>>54963225

>>54962697
Anyone?

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>>54963298
no no

it is my wife

>>54962868
stay bitter brother

>>54963360
and you cannot lie ?

>>54963331

Yeah, but the basic premise is that of an attack helicopter, disgorging 12 troopers, air-lifting a dread and supplying heavy fire support.

The actual model has a very helicopter like frame is you ignore the stubby wings, and more importantly has 8 turbines used to provide lift.

Guardfags pls go. You do nothing but harm

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>>54963402
Anon please, use the censored version, this is a blue board.

Does the store birthday captain come with rules, or is he equipped with an illegal equipment set?

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>>54963376
>all that shit
>especially the marauder
Well, I don't need to fap anymore tonight

>>54963430

>painted armies
>playing games
>discussing the hobby
>writing and posting battle reports

yeah, they certainly do harm, don't they?

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>>54963430
yes to you

>>54963430
According to a poll a few months ago guard is the most popularly played army on this board, we truely are a hoard army, outnumbering everyone on and off the table top

>>54963463
Where are the other armies at? No one posts much of their army besides some random painted miniatures. Surely Guard players can't be the only people with completed armies. Surely they can't be the only ones playing.

Other armies get your shit together and start posting your games and armies.

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>>54963430
>>54963463
Reminder that:

Once upon a time there was a very friendly Guardanon with a fully painted force who liked to post batreps and WIP and generally be a cool guy. His Guardsmen weren't golden demon, not even high end, but they were painted perfectly fine for how many he had. Every single time he would post though, there would be one or two autistic fucknuts who would make all sorts of noise about their color and quality. Now he knew they were not great, just like you he painted them simple and clean in batches to stay sane and look good altogether on the table. The shit slinging would not stop though no matter how much of a positive force he was in this thread, like most guardanons are. Eventually it became so bad that to spare the rest of us from constant derailments and shitposting wherever he went....he exiled himself. He set out in a quest to update EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE of his Guardsmen so as to quash his detractors, never again to post a batrep till he was done. He does it for us!
Some say, on certain nights, you can still catch him posting.....always an unfinished pile of Guardsmen in his pics, forever painting.

We call him Red Guard Guy

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>>54963487
>Hoard

You better be meme-ing ...

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>>54963508
M-may the Emperor watch over him, wherever he is...

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>>54963430

>>54963508
It cracks me up when people get super toxic about the hobby. Not everybody is a great painter but I'd be willing to bet half the people lurking this board and probably a quarter of those posting it either don't play or use gray models.

>>54963376
I don't know what to do, a had a Krieg army back in 5th but i sold it just before 6th.

Now that i want to play again can't afford it because shitty import politics, i can get 100 Steel Legion guards for something like 150 bucks though, but i want to belive those plastic rumors are true.

I need more Nobz - should I just buy the Grukk Boss Mob box? What do you reckon, lads?

>>54963328

Someone answer me

>>54963581
Every time someone starts shitting on someone else's army just ask them to post theirs, every time they start shitting on someone's conduct or ethics while playing ask them how their last game was, a lot of times they won't tell you, there's a lot of insecurity in this general

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tfw never will have cozy ork home

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6 PE are not a good idea against never ending re spawning Orks.
They die after killing 100 Ork

>>54963584

Unless you think that deal is going to expire, wait for the codex. Guard does need a bit of a nerf right now, so the codex will most certainly change some stuff and that could affect what you spend money on and in what order. The codex will also most likely release with new miniatures, so waiting is the wisest course - you don't want to throw money at models you regret having bought six months from now.

I'm in the same boat waiting to see if new sentinel models are forthcoming or not.

Will be visiting a friend in a month or so who plays Grey Knights. I play Tzeentch Daemons.

Should I try getting a Blue Scribes? Will it help at all? How fucked am I?

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Im an absolute genius and i forgot to put my alpha legion list on my last post here >>54963371, so my list is

Legion
Alpha legion
*HQ
-Chaos Lord
Bolt pistol, viper sword
*Troops
-26x Chaos Cultist w/ autopistol and brutal assault weapon
3 Chaos Cultist w/ special weapon
Flamer
Cultist Champion
*Elites
-Chosen, Champion Bolt pistol, Power axe, 4x Chosen w/ boltgun,4 Chosen w/ weapon option
Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer.
-Chosen
Chosen Champion
Bolt pistol, Power axe
4x Chosen w/ boltgun, 4 Chosen w/ weapon option Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma.
-Helbrute, Reaper autocannon
Helbrute fist(Heavy flamer)
*Fast Attack
-Chaos Bikers
2 x Chaos Biker
Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter
Chaos Biker Champion
Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter

Hope to hear your opinion

>>54963595
If you need a warboss, or just buy verdos, start collecting or even better: ebay.

>>54963632
Doesn't their Smite do up to 6 mortal wounds on Daemons?

>>54963609
1. You're retarded for begging for responses
2. You're retarded for thinking anyone but the most autistic of cunts cares about wysiwyg
3. You're retarded for not noticing Almost every overlord other than the finecast one and the $35 blister pack one come with a non-orb option

>>54963660
No, GK smite only does a flat 3 mortal wounds against Daemons.

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>>54963623
what are you gonna spend all your (you)'s on when you get tired of this shitpost?

>>54963646
Nah, I'm good for a Warboss. It is just the same Nobz as in the Nob box? eBay's the plan at the moment.

>>54963695
Ya I think.

>>54963632

Someone post that picture of a Daemon in a sandbox getting bullied by the GK.

>>54963631
Fair, though i am more interested in the models than the rules, since i like veterans/scion/mechanized forces, and you can never go wrong with at least 100 Guards for all your units.

So well i will start a little Space Marine force with Calth and Dark Imperium.

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>>54962591

It is 2017. For more than a hundred seconds The Human has sat immobile on the Golden Throne taking a dump. He is the master of a trillion cells by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with biochemical power digested from his last meal. He is the Carrion Lord of the Toilet for whom a hundred billion cells are sacrificed every day, so that he may shitpost on Reddit.
Yet even in his deathless state, the Human's Cells continue their eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets navigate the maddening torrent of the Arteries, the only route between distant organs, their way powered by the Heart, the physical manifestation of the Human Lifeforce. Vast armies wage war in his name on uncounted battlefields. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the White Blood Cells, the Macrophages, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Neutrophils and countless Platelet defence forces, the ever vigilant Dendritic Cells and the Lymphocytes of the Adaptive Immune System to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from viruses, bacteria, parasite - and worse.
To be a cell in such times is to be one amongst untold trillions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the promise of individuality and freedom, for in the grim dark present there is only multicellularity and apoptosis. There is no peace amongst the flesh, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of a thirsty God.

>>54963508
Who's this faggot?

>>54963702
Thanks man, I appreciate it.

>>54963540
Why would you encourage Guardfags?

>>54963725

I know exactly what you mean since I am in the same boat, but one of the big headaches with a full steel legion army is how difficult it is to convert them. I own something like 300 guys in trenchcoats, and they come in perhaps 12 poses. There are very few plastic bits in the other IG kits that fir the SL aesthetic, so unless one of those 12 poses is perfect for your conversion good luck.

That being said, you are right that you will pretty much always need about 50 infantry to use for whatever purpose. If it doesn't bother you that they are unconvertable, then go for it. $1.50 per model is a good deal.

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>>54963752
>hating peoples that actually play and paint their armies
Why?

>>54963771

because they are having too much fun, obviously

What's up with all the pasta being slung? Is it to false flag guard players? Is it a new rampant shitposter? Is it just autism? We may never know

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I thought this book was really mediocre.

Anyone who's read this and many other 40k/30k ones, can you tell me what's much better in comparison?

Looking for something really quality.

>>54963794
What pasta?

>>54963752
Start posting your painted armies and batreps then

>>54963798
word bearers omnimus and night lords ombinus.

>>54963771

>an impromptu rendition of Jon Snowangel fighting off the undying ork hordes for 3 days and 3 nights

I have a couple questions:

Are (ignoring the fact they lack an HQ) pure Custodes looking viable in 8th so far?

What units from other Imperium armies should I look at bringing in if not, preferably ones that I could use FW Custodes models as 'counts as' versions of?

>>54963798
All Ciaphas Cain books are good
Just started Straken, it's pretty alright so far

>>54962591
So, I just realized that Necromunda coming back probably means Made-to-Order returns for the old metal Necromunda models, too, if Blood Bowl is any indication.

This pleases me.

kataphron with grav cannons for MEQ removal, Y/N?

>>54963808
Literally just scroll up

>>54962602
Captain Dunco Rhoderius

>>54963816

Dude, if your goal is to have a small force of ultra-elite guys, field an army crammed with as many Astartes characters as possible and no troops, but paint and model them as if they were custodes.

>>54963836
They're not bad, just expensive as fuck.

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You're walking to the club with your GF in your Land Raider and these chads pop up and shoot rockets up your girlfriends ass, what do you do? Keep in mind they reroll to hit and theyre 15 more waiting to teleport in with a weirdboy to put you in your place

>>54963798
Fabius Bile Primogenitor
Dante
Carrion Throne

all great

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My fellow Tyranid players:
For Hormagaunts, is it better to run toxin sacs or adrenal glands? On the one hand, the latter's speed boost is really handy, but on the other hand, the former makes them surprisingly good at killing high wound models as long as they're still in high enough numbers.

>>54963798
Gaunt's Ghosts series. Ravenor, Eisenhorn.

>>54963623
Do you watch the videos on mute?

He's done that several times now, and it's because Chaos Black and Abaddon Black are different blacks with different finishes. He explains this in the video.

>>54963798
Imperial Guard & Inquisitor books like Gaunt & Eisenhorn.

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>>54963867
>*unsheaths katana*
>back away right this instant you rogue!

>>54963798

Flight of the Einsenstein.

>>54963836
robots should be doing that.

>>54963888
Ignore him, he's shitposted this same thing for days straight

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>>54963815
>knight players are bitching about OP and broken SoB
Not my fault you bring 3 Knights against SoB like a retard

>>54963867
My Land Raider eats the entire squad with it's 39 shots. Then my retinue of tartaros terminators wipes the next squad and POWER FISTS THE Wyrdboy to death.

>>54963867
>re-rolls to hit
>5+ to hit

This isn't that impressive when you play an army that can actually hit things.

Gonna do a pretty intense painting session tonight, what do you guys listen to when you get in the zone? Can be music or otherwise, no politics though I'm sick of that kind of stuff right now

>>54963910
>Bringing vehicle only lists against Meltaguns : the army

Some people ...

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>>54963872
you gotta go fast fellow norn queen

>>54963867
>BS5+
>fucking Immolator delete those guys
Well against marines they could work, against anyone else they are kind of a joke

>>54963814
This all this omnibus Anon has spectacular tastes.

>>54963670

I've scrolled through the #paintingwarhammer pics on games workshops website and not a single model is displayed without the orb

However, the CCB overlord does have a non orb option, now that I think about it

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>>54963960
>Tankbustas
>Bad
Ive destroyed chimeras and Leman Russes with 1 volley from those dudes.
>>54963934
5+ reroll is about 4+ which is still very nice for such a cheap unit

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>>54963948

Dredd, arch warhammer 40k lore, 90s cartoons

>>54963910
That paintjob does a disservice to the quality of the conversion underneath it.

>>54963974
Yeah it's honestly older models that don't have it, metal lords and destroyer lords don't, the CCB also doesn't, like I said no one really cares about wysiwyg, id model what looks cool and if it's not what matches up just forge the narrative
>yeah I know he has an orb but it's like... low on power or something
Works every time unless the person just wants to be a jerk about it

>>54963872
Adrenal glands my dude. Leave high wound bullshit to your big fellas

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>>54963986
I miss the 90s cyberdyke aesthetic

>>54963910

Knights are trash this edition anyway.
Maybe their eventual codex can fix them, but 8th edition is heavily geared against superheavies.

>>54963949
Yep I can put like 18 melta weapons that can move 24" for like 600 points or less.
Add Celestine and you have bloody Repressor with a 5++ and Seraphims with a 5++ that can re-roll

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>>54962591
So I took my girl to a game night at the FLGS, and she's excited to get into the cute minis. After some time showing off the factions, she picked orks!

The problem is, all the neckbeards treat her like some kinda unicorn.

>>54963798
I liked Betrayers and Chosen of Khorne. Dropped Word Bearers after the 20th page of religious rights.

>>54964029
>Knights are trash
Can confirm, my shadowsword has one and two shotted then multiple times
>it does how much damage?!?

>>54962752
Why are guardfags the only people on this board that actually play this game?

>>54963981
>implying killing chimeras and lemons is hard
Call me when you can at least make a Knight useless turn 1

On a side story I nuke a Magnus turn 1 with 2 Squads of Dominions. The Magnus player was trying to hold the tears

>>54964042
Should've seen that coming three miles off blindfolded though. Granted, worst comment I ever got for the brief period I forgot the golden rule was "How the fuck did you get that?" Crazy, not even once.

>>54964102
Gargantuan squiggoth can 1 shot a knight potentially. I dont know what else can though

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>>54964067
Cause marines are overrated

>>54963375
>The STC for a helicopter was lost,

"Ornithopters" are referred to frequently in the fluff, but they're almost exclusively used by PDF's on specific planets.

A large part of this is because helicopters are delicate things from a mechanical perspective, and even minor atmospheric changes can play havoc on their operation. It's simply not reasonable to use helos as a stanard vehicle for an interplanetary force because they may not even work on most worlds.

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>>54964067
I do too. Just with bad paint jobs and lame conversions

>>54963948
Death Metal, Industrial, just electronic shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyA3lOxaJk&index=4&list=PL2PUaZ1ZgqT7Im3IhcFDhhG4sjL6mrgXL Blasting this right now

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>>54964102
It's strange how hearing things like that pleases me despite being a long time Thousand Sons player.

But maybe it's because most faggots using Magnus bought him mainly to put in a list with nothing but daemons when that was the latest OP shit in 7th.

>>54964042

>unicorn

That's because she is. Warhams and wargaming in general is a hobby that appeals primarily to the male brain, so unless women are into painting or just into the guy who plays the hobby, they have few reasons to play.

This hobby is a mixture of ordering exercises and strategy, with a lot of math to boot. It's about ordering chaos by assembling something from disparate pieces and coloring them neatly. It's a mechanical process with some artistry thrown in. Women tend to prefer emotional and social activities, to be with people not with things.

>>54964114
Seraphims squads and Dominions squads can. You can't really trust that one squad can do it on their own but usually one will cripple it and the other kill it.

8 and 5 melta weapons that can move 24" makes it rather easy to get within 3" and 6" respectively

>>54962762
If I recall correctly they're grown to adulthood in tubes, presumably with relevant information wired into them by the Haemonculus

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Anyone else excited for this?

>>54964134
>mfw my local T'Sons player brings Magnus to every single game
>always warptimes him into charge range of the biggest target, nukes them, then gets annoyed when Magnus dies turn 2 to focus fire

>>54964190
The world always needs more Vulkan

>>54964122
Bless you Anon bless your little soul.

>>54963798
ENFORCER

read it

it's three books, and super great

>>54964029
Vehicles in general are shitty, high str multi damage weapons are too cheap and plentiful. Its more difficult to kill 10 plague marines than a knight.

>>54964190
Ugh, Nick Kyme might be the worst when it comes to blatant fellatio in literature form of his favorite faction.
Though his writing does make me want to burn the books he writes, and considering they're about the fire loving Salamanders, maybe he's doing something right.

>>54963508
Reported for gay made-up shit intentionally trying to make Guardfags not seem like cancer

>>54964246
who shit in your khorne flakes?

>>54964221
It's funny, I have way more trouble clearing out squads of multi-wound infantry than I do taking out vehicles.

Combined with infantry getting cover saves they just seem harder to kill than vehicles. Anything with high enough Str usually doesn't fire enough shots to kill them efficiently and anything that fires a lot of shots doesn't do enough damage.

Are Space Marines even useful at all without orbital supremacy?

>>54964329
2W models are a joke.
4W models and are infantry we enter the annoying kind

>>54964338
More useful than anyone else would be.

>>54964357
Bullgryn yo. I've found redirecting a LasPred actually displaces the very well.

Whats a good table size for your average battle?

>>54964381
A 54inch diameter circle

>>54963169
Naaah everything can be repaired, fuck entrophy

>>54964359
How? Marine ships are nothing special and geared for boarding action. A fleet from the imperial navy is much more likely to establish orbital supremacy or at least superiority than a chapter's is.

>>54964067
No one cares about GK battlereports. They're almost always over by T3

>>54964391
Marines are better at operating on the ground without complete orbital superiority.

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>>54964392
You're not wrong...

My first game with the codex actually lasted until turn 5 with my GK winning.

Alright, since there are so many of us cancerous guardfags, what are your predictions/hopes for the new dex/regimental doctrines?

Hoping conscripts don't get too changed up but are limited to certain regiments. Hoping for Tanith/infiltration regiment.

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>>54964338
Yes, they're best at Zone Mortalis ship2ship style stuff, up close and cramped where the muscle matters most.


You ever watch game of thrones? You know that mountain guy? How he can smash motherfuckers skulls in like no big deal, or crack a head open against a wall without care? That's a space marine BEFORE the half-ton power armor capable of shrugging of lascannons and the rocket-propelled machine gun they carry into battle. Even without the skies, they're the alpha-strike tip of the spear meant to butcher and pacify a weaker humanoid army fast and effectively. That's why it's all about rapid assault deployment

>>54963375

>Helicopters having a place on a modern battlefield

At least 40K got one thing right.

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>>54964456
My only hope is that Vostroyans don't get a garbage tactic.

>>54964444
Ave Imperator

I won two games in the Warp-storm with my GK. My Imperial Knight came back as well with a CP re-roll.

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Trying to position this damn blaster on here. Naturally it wants to go across the chest. Ya'll think I should fuck with it more to have it slung over the shoulder? Or is the crossed weapons thing alright? By the way trying to make a black ark fleetmaster into an Archon of your curious.

>>54964456
Orders shouldn't effect conscripts, or at least not all of them.

As for new dex/regimental doctrines?
We desperately need a Harker or Yarrick like character for Tannith, Vostroyans, Modians, Tallarn, and I desperately hope they bring back renegades.

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>>54964444
Quad quads tell it how it is, GK are getting screwed over by a lot of this stuff. One-done psychic powers prevent wide usage of powers (though the +1 brotherhood thing is awesome), no guaranteed first means I've a good chance of not even going before enemy screens cover the field, requiring 50% on the field at open fucks over balls-deep teleporting- which is our whole deal by the by- and screening makes it hard as hell to actually fight an enemy- when my 21 point body and his 3 point body out out the same number of shots, things aren't going good

But gripes aside I love eighth and I love my army. Still sad purifiers, librarians, and champions are useless, though

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>>54964067

Hey they're not the only ones.

>>54963625

What a co-incidence, I played a Sisters player yesterday who fielded 6 Penitant Engines against my Dread Mob.

I was tabled start of Turn 4 I believe.

>>54964391
>A fleet from the imperial navy is much more likely to establish orbital supremacy or at least superiority
wut
no
dude

navy ships are superior for fleet action
astartes ships are superior for orbital supremacy

Orbital supremacy is literally what they're designed for. Their job is to quickly fuck up defense ships/orbital platforms so drop pods/thunderhawks can be safely dropped into a fight.

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>>54964456
moar abhumies

>>54964456

chimera needs a buff of some kind

>>54964523
Think you're going to need to switch it up, sorry Anon. It looks uncomfortable.

>>54964555
Just give it back the fucking firing points, but I doubt they will.

>>54964562
Yeah that's what I was thinking I thought it'd be neat to have an Archon modeled with a blaster. Might have to fuck with it more or just switch to a splinter pistol it fits a little more comfy like.

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>>54964550
You do known there's an official female Catachan mini right?

>>54964578
not nearly as beautiful as my two jungle wives

>>54964543
One-done psychic powers REALLY sucks ass for GK.

>>54964456
Are elysian drop troopers something you can still do?

>>54964578
>Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?

>>54964543
I still can't help but feel like GW wants to balance around narrative play.

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>>54964523
If it helps any, I used the standard Blaster from the Kabalite box on my Archon; it was much easier to get a pose like this than make it organic looking over the chest.

>>54964622
Psychic powers are pretty bonkers without the limitations.

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This is my first custom color scheme I came up with (hopefully this isn't just some already established space marine legion/chapter).

Anything you'd change?

Name I think will be Sons of Iron.

>>54964456
Presumably they'll start from the 4th ed. Guard Doctrines for each regiment. At least in broad strokes.

>>54964472
Spotted the navyfag

>>54964642
They are, but at the same time armies that rely heavily on them are kinda gimped. There doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground atm.

>>54964405
Without orbital supremacy they quickly run out of fuel and munitions and end up like the germans in WW2.

>>54964460
But that is also their biggest weakness. When your ships need a boarding action to be effective you've already lost, because space works with such distances that by the time you get in range you Star Cruiser is probably a burning wreck already.

On the ground it's even worse, without constant ressuply from their Thunderhawks they'll quickly grind to a halt then run out of ammo.

>>54964546
That's the point man, you can't deploy your Astartes in the first place without orbital supremacy and their ships aren't very good at space combat. They won't even reach low orbit in the first place.

>>54964647
I dig it. What were they a successor chapter of? I'm assuming Iron Hands? That scheme's gonna be a bit harder to paint for a new player but if you can pull it off it'll look good.

>>54964607
I wonder how catachans would have done against the xenomorph hive

>>54964647
Looks good to me, though I think it'll be a lot of work to paint in mass if you're planning on painting it exactly as designed

>>54964633
Yeah that does look nice enough.May just have to wait on the build and order some bits. Unless I decide to stick the pistol on there.

>>54964673
They don't do a protracted engagement if that's the case. They target a weak point, assault it and then get out before the enemy can consolidate.

>>54964642
I can see how, but they could've done something other than shove a knife in their gut. Perhaps a -1 to Warp Charge total and/or +1 to Deny the Witch every time the same power is cast from a different unit.

Example.
>Strike squad 1 casts hammerhand successfully
>SM Librarian fails to deny
>Terminator Squad casts hammerhand and reduces its score by 1, still suceeding
>SM Librarian rolls to deny and succeeds by adding +1 to his DtW.

>>54964679
I doubt it would be much more threatening than what they encounter while going to take a piss.

>>54964652
>implying
MANPADS and self-propelled AA guns like the Pantsir have rendered helicopters completely useless. I don't see any use for them against a well-armed force aside from carrying troops in a safe environment.

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Why do chads have two wounds but plague marines only have one?

>>54964047
What a funny is all those wounds make it impossible that harm Necron stuff.

>>54964594
Yes. They, along with DKoK, have special rules in the Forgeworld Index.

>>54964694
Not all chapters work that way, and even those that do will have to travel enormous distances across the landmass of a planet, while facing potential counter-attacks along the way, which simply can't be done without orbital supply lines (keep in mind marine air support is directly tied to their ships).

>>54964677
>>54964680
I'll have 20 CSM's, 5 termies, termi lord, termi sorcerer, warpsmith and the rest daemon engines/vehicles.

Hopefully It won't be too hard.

>>54964708
Plague Marines only get one wound? Wtf weren't they supossed to be tough and shit top kek

Even Rubrics are harder to remove.

>>54964673
>their ships aren't very good at space combat
Their ships are exceptionally good at space combat. Have you even played BFG?

they do poorly in massed space engagements
and even then, it's more of a doctrinal handicap, as the space marine fleets did most of the heavy lifting in space during the 3rd war for armageddon

you've got your fluff completely wrong

>>54964753
>Even Rubrics are harder to remove.
Well that's just false

All rules writers need to be shot.

>>54964731
Why would they have to travel enormous distances. They can strike in at dispersed defense fleet, blow a hole in, strike the ground target and then get out.

>>54964708
Because they're just tougher chaos marines.

>>54964753
They get T5 and Disgustingly Resilient, I'd say that's a decent consolation prize.

>>54964405
>>54964673
>>54964694
>>54964731
>>54964773

Blood Ravens in all of their games require orbital transport and deployment, and the playable Astartes are Codex-compliant. Astartes have only ever operated on the ground with limited or no orbital reinforcement in protracted defensive engagements like Cadia's last stand in the 13th Black Crusade, the last stand of the Ultramarines 1st Company on Ultramar, or the underground war in Calth.

Only the Legions marched from one edge of a planet to another to conquer it; and even then, that duty was usually reserved for the Imperial Army while the Astartes would focus on breaking strongpoints and entrenched objectives.

>>54962607
he's not even going to get a deamon model

>>54964801
Of course not, he isn't going to leave his planet

It's his safe space.

Today I brought my friend to my local hobby store and scarred a marine player for life. The game was going fairly well until he dropped 40 scions down turn 3 and erased half of his army. Between the manticores, scions and conscripts he got 3 people to swear off ever playing against guard this edition.

>>54964756
>Their ships are exceptionally good at space combat. Have you even played BFG?
How can they do exceptionally at space combat when chapters only send one or two companies (that's two strike cruisers) to most planets?

While said strike cruisers are geared more towards planetary assault instead of ship-to-ship combat? By logic they should lose to normal cruisers.

>as the space marine fleets did most of the heavy lifting in space during the 3rd war for armageddon
But armageddon had a TON of chapters involved and many of them like the Black Templars were there in full force, which isn't a common sight in the slightest. In fact I think the Guard was less involved in that war, proportionally speaking.

>>54964784
Fair enough, but aren't primaris just taller space marines?

>>54964818
>The Emp spent all that time an energy on making 'superior' soldiers when all he needed was a brighter flashlight

>>54964829

They are straight up upgrades in every way, with new enhancements and organs which put them much closer to their primarch progenitors than any Astartes before them.

>>54964852
You've activated his trap card, btw

>>54964828
Most planets probably don't even have a navy.

>>54964852
Right, but why wouldn't space marines blessed by nurgle, who have to literally be shot to pieces, not have more wounds than a stock standard manlet-marine?

Not complaining btw, just fluff curious

>>54964771
They're not blowing any holes against an equivalent force. 2 standard cruisers > 2 star cruisers at ship to ship combat.

Not to mention how most chapters neglet the use of escorts for some reason.

>>54964798
This. By logic all chapters should be limited by the effective range of their thunderhawks.

>>54964878

Because a dude covered in tough shit is still a dude.

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>>54964460
>Space Marine unarmed combat is just dudes getting Oberyn Martell'd all day.

Brutal.

>>54964828
Their ships don't have to be piloted entirely by space marines. Servitors and chapter serfs mean that just two companies can be accompanied by several ships.

Played 1500 SM vs 1500 Eldar today. We almost wiped each other off the board but his stupid wraithguard blasted half my army to pieces.
Every time I play this guy it's always one unit that pushes my shit in, either wulfen or fookin' D-Scythes now. Everything except the wave serpents folded under me but those five guys killed half my damn army.
Librarian wiffed three combats and failed to kill his autarch
Lt. consolidated into combat with one wave serpent three turns in a row trying to smack it with his chainsword. That was funny and he didn't die despite everything.
Killed a full squad of fire dragons in one phase, I'm loving plasma cannon devastators
Wraithlord survived with one wound against a vanguard vets assault. Fucking walking out of combat just means they die immediately without doing anything though
Company champion the most useless thing in my army made an 11" charge to smack a warlock into the dirt, that was funny

>>54964876
And most planets don't require marines either. Your point?

>>54964900
That's your speculation. The actual lore says they can carry up to a hundred marines and their supporting assets.

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>>54964460
Wyman Manderly > mountain

>>54964909
That a couple of strike cruisers is usually enough. If the enemy has more ships they'll obviously send more to combat them.

>>54964906
Ynnari or standard Eldar?

>>54964829
No they have three additional organs. Sinew Coils, The Magnificat, and the Belisarian Furnace. The first makes them stronger and tougher the third allows an occasional burst of super regeneration and the second is half of what made the Primarchs the Primarchs rather than just Space Marines.

>>54964940
standard

>>54964927
Except what I said is the actual lore
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Fleet#Crew

"Unlike the vessels of the Imperial Navy, a Space Marine ship has a relatively small crew. A Space Marine is far too valuable to waste in manning a gun or watching a surveyor screen, and so only the officers aboard a vessel are likely to be Space Marines, as well as the few Techmarines who oversee the engines and perform other mechanical duties. Almost all the ship’s systems are run and monitored by servitors; half-human cyborgs who are wired into the vessel’s weapons, engines and communications apparatus. There are also a few hundred Chapter Serfs to attend to other duties, such as routine cleaning and maintenance, serving the Space Marines during meal times and other such honoured tasks. These serfs come from the Chapter’s home planet or the enclave they protect, many of them Novitiates or applicants who have failed some part of the recruiting or training process. These serfs are fanatically loyal to their superhuman masters, and indoctrinated into many of the lesser orders of the Chapter’s Cult. Although human, they still benefit from remarkable training and access to superior weaponry than is usually found on a naval vessel, making them a fearsome prospect in a boarding action – even without the support of their genetically modified lords."

>>54964932
Yeah but how does that doesn't mean they're better than the navy, it just means they had more ships. The Navy can also assemble much larger and powerful fleets than any chapter.

>>54964959
That's on purpose. Marines aren't supposed to fight the navy.

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OH, FUCK! It's the middle of the battle and it's <YOUR DUDES>'s Warlords time to show their subordinates why they FUCKING RULE THIS SHIT.
What song fits <YOUR DUDES> best during this moment of sheer awesomeness?

For <MY DUDES> Archon(s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9r2qeouiQ

>>54964673
>you can't deploy your Astartes in the first place without orbital supremacy and their ships aren't very good at space combat

>"the Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes excelled in swift and bloody fleet actions designed to hammer a way through to contested planets where the Space Marines' particular penchant for planetary assaults would lend them the upper hand" -Battlefleet Armageddon (WD278)

Punching a hole in a defense network and establishing orbital supremacy is literally all the marine fleets are supposed to do. It's why they're so inordinately heavily armed and armoured for their sizes. They don't have the benefit of operating with a squadron of friendly cruisers and have to do it all by themselves.

>>54964828
>In fact I think the Guard was less involved in that war, proportionally speaking.
The Imperial Navy and the Imperial Guard are incompletely separate entities. And no, Armageddon was simply that large a fight.

The Imperial Navy was more focused on the deep space shipping lanes and transport routes, while the Space Marine fleets (directed by Helbrect) were focused on eliminating the orkish fleets directly. It wasn't until the waning days of the war that the Navy began to take over the fleet action from the Marines.

>>54964980
Uh... something by DragonForce or Amon Amarth I guess.

>>54964980
space marine captains only exist to shout at overcharging plasma devastators now, there's nothing heroic to be done there.

>>54964980
https://youtu.be/wy-sVTaZRPk

>>54963625
I'm surprised you put them together in the first place. I have 2 but I can't build them.

>>54964673
They're marines, that's literally the point. They're there to invade shit with support from the navy. This is like calling the US marines shit because they're made for amphibious invasions and not much else. Or air mobile divisions like the 101st shit because they don't have tanks. Arms of the military have specializations

Are Primaris Inceptor pauldorns regular marine size or terminator size?

>>54965030
Regular sized.

>>54963948
The Helsreach video series gets me in the zone for my BT. https://youtu.be/a8_MjeU8MLM

>>54965002

>he doesn't rush his gravis captain into battle

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>>54964980
Dark Eldar Haemonculus who thinks he's spiritual but is actually just a regular old crazy Haemonculus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZVKU5imx0

>>54964957
Nowhere does it says it can carry more than a hundred marines. What your post mentioned was part of the 'supporting assets'.

>>54964978
Which further proves my point that they're worse than the navy at establishing orbital supremacy. And before you mention disabling orbital defenses, you need prior supremacy anyway to even get that close.

>>54964982
>"the Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes excelled in swift and bloody fleet actions designed to hammer a way through to contested planets where the Space Marines' particular penchant for PLANETARY ASSAULTS would lend them the upper hand" -Battlefleet Armageddon (WD278)
They won't punch their way through any xenos fleet of comparable size with those shitty ships of theirs. Well not shitty, but specialized for planetary assault instead of ship-to-ship combat.

>Armaggedon part
You just proved my point. There was a massive concentration of Astartes in that war, which is nowhere near the rule. They either had numerical superiority over the ork ships or the ork ships were just incredibly shitty.

>>54963798
15 hours

>>54963798

Red Tithe

>>54965028
I never called them shit. But they are limited in space by weather or not they have orbital supremacy, and in the ground by the range of their thunderhawks.

>>54965093
Sure, but marines are the only ones who can both orbital and ground combat, making them useful for rapid response.

>>54965049
I don't like ADB's style. Too overly dramatic, touchy-feely shit. Feels like a girl wrote it.

>>54965093
>Nowhere does it says it can carry more than a hundred marines. What your post mentioned was part of the 'supporting assets'.

What the fuck are you even trying to say? I said two companies could be supported by additional ships crewed mostly by servitors and chapter serfs. Just because they only deployed two companies doesn't mean they only bring two ships.

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>>54965106

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication." - Konrad Curze, Primarch of the Night Lords

Gonna be using that a lot when GW phase out manlet marines

>>54965113
That's true, and I agree. Which leads me to my next question.

Exactly how tough are thunderhawks in the lore? What kind of punishment does it require to take one out of the fight? I know they're T9 W30 but most people say they're overpowered.

>>54964957
Serfs are pretty interesting when you try to make your own chapter, since they are supposed to be the gunners/pilots of big ships and some vehciles and the militia that protect their fortress monastery.

Isn't the Stormraven turret maned by the Serf?

Now that i think about it, who crew most of their tanks?

>>54965184
Techmarines

>>54965184
I would assume their vehicle crews are augmented with servitors, serfs, and "advanced" machine spirits.

>>54965151
The problem is that each company has a ship assigned to it. One task force can't just take a company's ship without the troops. I see it more likely that they actively work with local fleets to do the 'punching through' you talk about, instead of rushing in on their own.

>>54965181
They're basically Land Raiders with thicker armor.

>>54965169
What does that have to do with anything?

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>>54965223

>>54965184
Tanks are crewed by Spess Mahrines.

>>54965208
Space marine fleets have a variety of escort ships, and battle barges are described as some of the most powerful ships in the Imperium. A space marine fleet is made up of more than just the battle barges transporting troops.

Two companies arriving at a planet will arrive with more than just two ships.

>>54965223
I will be vindicated in my assertion that Manlet Marines will be squatted to force people into replacing them with Chads.

>>54965213
Good lord. Then how the hell do you take one down?

>>54964980

*The reinforced ceramite boarding ramp of the gunship hisses with escaping hydraulic gases, the the breathing of a great beast stirring malevolently in its slumber. Ancient motors whir to life, the clanking of metal teeth grinding as the portal opens to reveal the abyssal darkness within the mechanical maw. Silence, and then the slow, methodical sound of steel-reinforced boots upon the metal deck in parade-like precision. Light hesitantly falls upon the shoulders of the approaching figure, cutting his silhouette from the blackness and revealing the suggestion of a man, a savage-looking bladed xenos claw at his side...*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skKtvdJgzj0

are infernus heavy bolters garbage?

>>54964679
Catachans stalked Lictors at some point in the fluff

>>54965260
With great difficulty, which is the whole point.

>>54965257

Squatted in 10th edition, maybe. But its 2017, and the Codex has your hated manlets all over it. And you will never be rid of manlet traitors.

>>54965279
Yeah but what kind of weapon.

>>54964980
Emperor's Champion charging and killing heretics to Powerwolf's Amen and Attack!

>>54965286
You could do with enough regular AT guns, but you'd want something Titan/Spaceship grade to do it reliably.

>>54964708
Plague marines have higher pain tolerance, chads are bestowed with further implants to sustain more damage before being rendered unable to fight.

Thinking of starting Orks

Love the gorkanaut model, how do I build an army around on and make it work?

>>54965133
Fair enough, hope you find something to get you going with painting!

>>54965208
Most chapters has 2 to 3 Battle Barge, at least a dozen of Strike Cruisers and a really good amount of Scorts.

There is pretty much no reason to send only 2 Strike Cruisers with 2 FULL Companies, it is even more impossible if they are going to break through a complete xeno fleet without proper support.

In big wars where something like that is really necessary a Chapters Master or Captain can command ships from the Imperial Navy or use a good part of their fleet, like in the Babad War

>>54963620
This was my wallpaper for like 2 years.
Orks on planets they actually settle without going feral seem like they would be maximum comfy if the orks didn't have a detroit-level crime rate.

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>>54965110
Marines do struggle against sizeable naval fleets but even in the scale of 40k fleet v fleet actions are very, very rare. 95% of invasion forces are only opposed by the monitor fleet, system ships, and if the planet is somewhat valuable an orbital defense or three. SM ships are more than enough to enage this as they have superior speed, armor, and armament and are able to close to boarding/hit-and-run range as the enemy is slow and tends to stay closer to each other near the planet to provide support to each other.
Larger engagements are done in tandem with IN forces, loaned escort fleets, or lacking that, the presence of a battle barge which is easily the equivalent of a IN BB.

When orbital supremacy cannot be established they use their speed and armor to blow past picket lines and dump strike units onto the target area then begin evasion and hit and run actions.
Most planets they will engage have centralized commands so constant redeployment over large areas of a world is relatively uncommon. Hence why drop pods are used as often as they are. The reality is only a handful of worlds are capable of protracted warfare across multiple continents. Most have a heavily fortified position of governance that is designed to hold out until reinforcements arrive. Take that out and most planets are subdued by no longer having access to communications or off world supplies.

Remember that orbital warfare is a long and slow process compared to ground conflicts. Two battle companies may be deployed and fighting over the gubernatorial palace for the next 6 hours without threat because the nearest enemy orbital asset is still 34 hours from being in position.

>>54964980
https://youtu.be/bg92QpjRcJk

t. Death Guard

>>54965265
All of deathwatch are garbage.

>>54964543
>champions are useless

He's actually pretty damn good for his cost and can fit in a razorback

>>54965314
Dread mob (lots of Killa Kans and Deff Dreads)

Alternatively, put a KFF mek inside with 5 nobs, then a shit load of boyz running alongside it

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>>54964818

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>>54965357

>>54963632
You're boned. Their entire army is engineered around killing your dudes.

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can i play with my custom army?

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>>54964980
https://youtu.be/GV0aGPK_nfc

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>>54965400

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>>54965363
>tfw you will never play the Blood Ravens & literally steal your enemies
Trazyn won't be the only one who collects his enemies.

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>>54965400

Theyre really dropping the ball with releases. Theres a lot of hype for the game right now, they need to get some stuff out

>>54965427
since when is /mlp/ normie?

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What if the Emperor's name is Osiris?
In Egyptian Mythology Horus is the son of Osiris. The symbol of Horus is an eye, much like the Sons of Horus chapter. While Osiris is called King of the Living even though he is also ruler of the Underworld. Much like Osiris, the soul or spirit of the Emperor is also worshiped almost like a god(example: Living Saints being a thing and the Emperor's Tarot). I know it sounds like I'm grasping at straws but it's something that popped into my head.

Does a unit with a minimum move distance have to move in the movement phase?

>>54965442
They put the General's Handbook for AoS up for preorder this weekend. I'd imagine now that that is out of the way we'll get another 40k announcement in two weeks.

>>54965447
Sons of Horus Legion*, brain shat itself momentarily.

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>>54965400

>>54965063
Liquifier guns should be at least fucking poisoned weapons to be fucking honest

>>54965448
It's destroyed if it doesn't.

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>>54964980
RAISE YOUR SWORDS UP HIGH
HEAR THE BLACK BIRDS CRY
LET THEM FEEL YOUR RAGE
SHOW NO FEAR

ATTAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!

>>54965208
>>54965248

Blood Ravens 1st Company had the chapter's HQ battle barge, which was nigh unapproachable throughout the Blood Ravens Civil War.
Blood Ravens 3rd Company had one battle barge and probably had cruiser escorts on its way to engage the Tyranids.
Blood Ravens 4th Company had one battle barge with cruiser escorts.
Blood Ravens in DoW 3 had one battle barge with no escorts, presumably due to the rushed nature of their emergency deployment.

Its extremely rare for even two battle barges from the same chapter to be in the same theatre of operations. Judging by previous precedents, there is usually a massive shitstorm going on in the vicinity to warrant such a heavily armed presence.

Did my part for the imperium. First game of 8th and my first ever game in a gw store even though I started in 1996 lol.

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>>54964980
Oops, forgot the link

https://youtu.be/6GKFnwanS1I

>>54965446
Hello 2013

>>54965447
Could be. It's as good a guess as any since there's almost nothing to go on otherwise.

>>54962591
Any news on the Angel being back?

>>54965502
if wanting to actually have sex with real life horses is normie now, why is barneyfag still getting triggered over it?

>>54965378
this is pretty good now

>>54965327
What is your point? Dumping 'a strike squad or two' is not worth two strike cruisers IMO.

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>>54964980
For the leading Hive Tyrant of Hive Fleet Daikaiju, there is only one choice...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6qAIaqK3_Q
Alternatively, this one is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arus_8spQyk

>>54964545
> sisters models are so old! Wah give me new stuff!
> army is still unpainted
Sisters players are the worst

>>54965473
Oh so a Crimson Hunter will never hit on 2s thanks to its heavy weapons.

>>54965541

Anon clearly needs to read more FW lore and play more (recommendable) 40k video games. In Space Marine, Ultramarines sent a single thunderhawk to a besieged forgeworld and a small team of 1 Captain, 1 Sergeant, and 1 Tactical beat the odds and held the forgeworld's defenses together long enough for reinforcements to arrive and assist in expelling a Chaos invasion. One Thunderhawk for one strike team.

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>>54965577
There were actually other Marines with them. You see them in the opening cutscene.

>>54965577
They had massive plot armor and a literal mary sue for a captain, as well as the Chaos Lord being an incompetent fuck who didn't kill him when he could have.

Which is the norm in most SM lore.

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>>54965588

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>>54965591
>literal mary sue for a captain
You take that back you little shit!

>>54965577
Titus went in with a whole shitload of marines, he only touched down with Sidonus and Leandros because he had to take down the Ork AA guns. The rest of his company couldn't land with the Orks controlling the skies. As soon as that's taken care of you see more of his men.

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Have any Dark Mechanicus ever had any major successes with AI?

>>54965614
cawl

>>54965614
I think they like to just skip the computational step (and the power source step) by just chucking a daemon in there.

>>54965602
Either that or he's secretly a Khorne worshiper, your choice.

>>54965623
I always just assumed he was either a minor blank or had the Emperor's blessing.

>>54965577
Titus had help from other Ultramarines besides his two, Imperial Guard & other chapters like the Blood Ravens.

>>54965619
waitaminute
>>54965620
I figure thats less actually AI and just standard daemon engine stuff