How would the Saiyan civilization fare in the grim darkness

>>54949013

Persecuted by the Imperium as witches, xenos, and daemons. Basically, everything the Ordos do not like.

>>54949013
Day One: Planet Vegeta Discovered
Day Two: Saiyans declared for Exterminatus
Day Five: Exterminatus
Day One-Million: Saiyan Gene used to develop new gene-seed
Day One-Million Plus: Great Apes Legion sent to perform recon on Planet Namek

>>54949013
The average Saiyan was a pussy who was weaker than Vegeta as a child. They'd do decent depending on numbers and tactics but unless they had the rest of FriezaCorp, they'd wouldn't do much.

>>54949013
Aren't Saiyans naturally battle hungry, how would Khorne treat them?

>>54949495
The Saiyan's get a zenkai boost everytime they come close to dying, like the Orks they have an almost limitless potential for growth.

>>54949362
So the get the dragonballs and wish the emperor back out of his throne?

First of all, how would ki work? Would it be the same thing as warp energy?

>>54949667
Ki is simply described as lifeforce energy. Those who can use it however are rare.

Seeing as the average saiyan, including the super powerful ones like Goku are vulnerable to conventional weapons and lasers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGKFsZVHyGs

They'd get fucked

>>54949495
The thing with saiyans was the x10 boost they got from going Oozaru. Even Great Ape Raditz would have a power level of 15,000, that's stronger than nearly every other PTO soldier. And regular looser Raditz was already around four or five times stronger than the guy who blew up the moon. In 40k terms regular saiyans would have stats rivalling named characters and Oozarus would be their version of titans. Provided you scale back the occasional planet-busting down to the regular atomic explosions you normally see in dbz fights.

>>54949821

Hey a non-canon movie. Awesome I have a fanfic where Pan discovers a Super-Futa form and rapes all the other characters in the series with her big monkey cock thats as relevant

>>54950004
>I have a fanfic where Pan discovers a Super-Futa form and rapes all the other characters in the series with her big monkey cock
Care to share?

Pretty sure they are considered abhumans.

>>54950052
Don't more lenient planets allow abhumans in the IG? Now I'm imagining fielding an entire IG infantry composed of giant flying monkeys.

>>54950004
>non canon movie
>directed by Toriyama

almonds, ACTIVATE!

>>54950004
Bullets have cut and bruised both Goku and Krillin in both the show and manga recently. Toriyama realised how fucked the power scaling in DBZ got and decided to dial it back. Trouble is he went too far and Goku is less durable now than he was back when Bulma shot him in the face. And the ki blasts look pitiful now compared to what they used to be.

>>54950144
It's even worse when you realise Raditz of all people was able to catch bullets barehanded and throw them back with enough force to kill a man.

>>54949561
best question in hread

>>54950160
> Raditz of all people was able to catch bullets barehanded and throw them back with enough force to kill a man.
Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp6g0H5nbf0

>>54950004
>I have a fanfic where Pan discovers a Super-Futa form and rapes all the other characters in the series with her big monkey cock thats as relevant
Stop teasing me anon and post it already

>>54949013
They'd be an elite melee army with a low model count but extremely powerful troops.

I doubt the imperium would exterminatus them, they would automatically assume they are humans who have some kind of incredibly advanced lost technology allowing them to have the powers they do, especially since they can breed with normal humans. I suspect extreme secret genetic testing would occur to try and mass produce their powers; saiyans armed with imperium tech would be quite an upgrade. Assuming saiyans wanted to fight for the imperium and showed no chaos corruption, the imperium would probably enlist them even if they knew they are 100% xeno and not related to humans at all (keeping that under wraps of course)

That being said the saiyans are extremely violent and war-crazy; goku being an exception because he hit his head. I have a feeling they would be khorne worshipping chaos berserking cunts which would be terrifying when you find out a handful of oozaruu saiyans (the ape form) can wipe out a planets entire civilization in a week

>>54950108
Kek

I just imagined a Sci-Fi version of Wizard of Oz

>>54950004
Battle of Gods and Revival F are canon movies though. But so are Super as well as the Toyotaro manga, so the contradictions between the three get confusing. Especially because Toriyama refuses to clear things up and has only been involved in all three on the fringe. That said, they are canon, unlike the other movies or GT. Every single idea was from Toriyama's mind, even if not every scene was from Toriyama's hand.

If we want to find the "original canon" version of the story, we must look for similarities between all three versions. Unsurprisingly, Goku was taken out by a laser ring in all three versions, meaning it's almost certainly Toriyama's original vision (though in Super he powered down to his base form, but even that is supposed to be strong enough to curbstomp Namek saga final form Frieza [at the start of the fight Goku even said something among the lines of "I don't even need to go Super Saiyan for you anymore". That's before figuring out Frieza did squats for 4 months though]).

>>54950778
The Super anime is canon up until the Super manga catches up where the anime is. After which the manga basically decanonizes the anime, because the anime will strictly follow the manga's storyline.

>>54949362
I doubt that.
Sayans are a space-faring race.

If anything they get accepted as abhumans or become the personal race of Khrone.

>>54950804
Which might not even happen if the Universe Survival Arc (and possibly the Evil Grand Priest arc after that?) is the final arc. Because let's be real here: where do they even have to go after this?

>>54950850
Toriyama is very good at pulling sagas out of his ass. The guy is a comedy writer by trade, not a shounen-mongolian-pugilism-shadowplay writer. He dun giv a shit. He'll just pull some villain out of nowhere.

>>54950850
>>54950864
On top of that ratings for Super have never been better. It beat Boruto a long time ago and is routinely fighting with One Piece.

>>54950850
Something with Goten and Trunks.

Start heading towards the end of Z with Uub

>>54949708
>however are rare
Not when it comes to Saiyans. Any Saiyan warrior can and will use ki. Saiyain workers and butchers and stuff might not use it, but any Saiyan you deal with on the battlefield uses ki to at least fly.

>>54950144
That sucks to hear. I don't follow that mess Super, but Goku was bulletproof as a little boy. Launch shot at him all the time.

>>54952630
It's not that they're bulletproof, it's that they have to be aware of the situation. Goku would tank bullets easily if he's aware of the situation, but if you catch him off guard, they will do damage.

>>54949013
>They training in the hiperbolic chamber
>destroy the warp with a kamehameha

>>54953078
Fucking kek

>"Did you scum believe the prince of all saiyans could be defeated by such faggotry?"

>>54949956
It really depends which though Oozaru is undoubtedly a buff. The average Saiyan was somewhere between Raditz and Nappa. Vegeta was a major exception to rule.

>>54949495
The average Saiyan are immune to bullets.

>>54955014
True and even as kids they're stronger than adults but I doubt that they can send a baby to conquer a planet so easily as before.

>>54949495
>The average Saiyan was a pussy who was weaker than Vegeta as a child.

The average Saiyan was around Raditz's level. Raditz was already strong enough to destroy a planet by himself.

>>54949561
Khorne would fucking love them and hand out blessings like free candy.

>>54949667
No, the Warp usually stands in for magic in 40K. Dragon Ball has magic in it, and it's shown as being very different from Ki.

Ki and Warp should not overlap, although the Warp might overlap with some of the actual magic in Dragon Ball, like what Baba-di does.

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>>54949013
Reminder that SSGSS Golden Cell would be stronger than anyone in the current arc.

>>54952785
It's Ki control. People in Dragon Ball can suppress their Ki most of the time. They can control their strength and fuck their wives without breaking anything.

>>54952785
Not really.

When Goku was little, he just automatically tanked bullets.

Thing is, after Goku learned the Saiyan God form, he gained complete control over his ki.

Which means, he can make himself WEAKER than when he was a child.
>hurr durr why would goku do that?
Because it saves ki, which means that he has more ki to use in the next fight.
Of course, the downside is, when you completely power down - AND you have a history of letting your guard down, you're just asking to get shot in the back.

>>54956767
He knew Ki control in late Dragon Ball and he learned to control his Ki as a Super Saiyan in Cell saga

>>54950820
>Sayans are a space-faring race.
No, they aren't. They used Frieza's ships.

>>54957648
because they were assimilated into king cold's empire

>>54956767
During the Cell saga Goku learned how to go super saiyan without any ki or stamina drain and was even able to maintain it while asleep. Why not just stay in that form and bust out the higher level transformations when needed?

>>54949013
Stop making these threads

>>54957807
make me shitlord

Dammit Nappa!

What would the scouter say about Space Marine powerlevels?

>>54960864
They don't have Ki

Do the Saiyans have the numbers to compete?thier troops would obviously be terrifying but they don't have the insane numbers of warhammer

The biggest problem the Saiyans face against any semi-competent sci-fi faction is space combat. They are only shown traveling in one-person infiltration pods and even Frieza's own mothership was pretty tiny. So while an average Saiyan warrior would solo genocide entire 40k planets with ease, their chances of actually getting anywhere without invasion fleets getting shot down by basically anyone are very slim.

But assuming the Saiyans somehow got their hands on some decent space tech...I'd bet they would become aligned with Khorne real quick considering they have fight boners to rival the Orks and no patron deities of their own, and the Imperium would be fairly fucked in that case.

>>54950648
If you raise them to kill in the name of the emperor they will basically be less stupid Ogryns with more strength, and they would figure out that hybrids don't have as much aggression with no loss of strength, get a ton of hybrids and they would be really useful I can see some being used by Inquisitors or Rogue Traders as heavy hitters.

>>54961458
Didn't Vegeta make a comment about becoming "The Might Ozzaru?" Or is that just a TFS thing? Because that implies (even if only slightly) that they worship a giant monkey god.

>>54961610
I don't remember that comment. Closest thing to gods the Saiyans had is the original SS God (whom the "bad" Saiyans hated) and their Kami equivalent (filler only), neither of which they worshipped.

>>54949561
>>54955152
I welcome our flyring monkey daemon prince overlords

>>54949635
And then he wakes up, the golden throne turns off and the Imperium loses FTL travel.

>>54949667
Ki is the physical manifestation of life energy. It's not psychic in nature, as psychic powers exist in Dragonball and are different.

>>54949613
Genestealers get a hold of some Sayians. What do

>>54961708
He can just continue sitting on it though.

>>54961749
Have there been any race with skin so tough that the genestealers couldn't implant?

>>54960941
Everyone has Ki. If you have a life force and are an organic being you give off a power rating. They would have it, they just wouldn't be able to utilize it for stuff like blasts or flight.

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>>54961676
>welcoming monkeys

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>>54949013
Why is he so perfect?

>>54949821
Goku gets literally shot in the head in the first 5 mintues of the show, he walks it off straight away, he was like 8 at the time

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>>54950144
>>54952630
>>54952785
>>54956647
>>54956767

>>54964278

The power scale in super is utterly fucked. They lost more power with brief spurts of not training then they gained from years in the ROSAT

>>54965086
That was the Cell Games. Dragon Ball is awful at power scaling in general. Almost like it was written by a guy who rarely planned ahead and made shit up as he went along.

Or, you know, how GW treats every Codex update.

>>54949013
Probably not great. Normal saiyans couldn't really do casual world destroying bullshit.

Then again as >>54955152 says Khorne would see them as His children, so it's likely they'd get a lot of blessings, then survive a few powers, get some zenkais, and gradually build up to real terrors.

So I guess the answer would be they'd start out slow and start gaining train momentum. Orks would probably think they were cool as hell.

>>54954902
>The average Saiyan was somewhere between Raditz and Nappa.

Lolno. Raditz was Vegetas right hand man when they were growing up and he constantly exclaims his superiority. He's an elite, it's just that literally every other Saiyan we see is a super duper elite that's either been doing this way longer or is a mega prodigy.

People forget that an "average" PTO soldier is like as not to need jets to fly or a laser to shoot. Just being able to do that shit on your own makes you relatively strong.

A real median power level for a run of the mill Saiyan is probably like 700-800, if not a bit lower. Enough to be solidly above Goku or Piccolo, but not that great on DBZ scale.

Of course on 40k scale that's still fucking amazing. A fully airborne soldier capable of blasting apart cities in one hit is worth like an entire company of space marines.

This being before you get into the fact that seemingly any species in DB can have psychics or learn magic, and thus you'd have wacky shit like Saiyan psykers running around.

>>54949821

Oh, we're including he movies? Cool, they win, they have Brolly, his power is maximum.

>>54950850

>Theres still six universes not involved
>The reason they're not involved is because they're the strongest

I think i can see somewhere

>>54965232
>Orks would probably think they were cool as hell.
While I couldn't see them as being anything more than Allies of Convenience, they would probably make for some of the most devastating teamups. One-man armies working with the fucking Orks, wrecking shit left and right. It'd make Taudar look tame in comparison.

>>54952606

>Saiyan butches

Not actually sure those exist. We literally only see warrior saiyans, and considering what we see of Goku's appetite, i think they all just fly into the woods, kill a dinosaur(which would be there FOR SOME REASON), eat it, and fly back.

>>54965291
>This being before you get into the fact that seemingly any species in DB can have psychics or learn magic, and thus you'd have wacky shit like Saiyan psykers running around.
Well, Goku DID show that he could communicate telepathically a couple times. So there may be some form of latent psyker talent in them. At the very least they can be gifted it like in Bardock's case, being able to see the future. Doubt they'd really utilize such abilities though.

>>54955152

You just realized Majiin Buu is a warp daemon now, Slaneesh wins, gg, game over

>>54957648

Later on, they stole their initial ships from that other race on their planet.

>The imperium arrives during that
>Decide that the tiny people are tok different but the tails can safely be chopped off
>Join im the exterminatus
>Offer them all the weapons and ships they want if they cut off their tails and fight in their name
>The saiyans agree eventually
>Too many fucking super saiyans

>>54965512
They do, they're just rarer, weaker Saiyans like Goku's mom. Hell, their home planet clearly had scientists and people whose professions extended beyond warriors, since after their homeworld (Sadala) was destroyed they conquered the planet they ended up on (Plant) and renamed it after their King (Vegeta).

>>54961610

Ozzaru is the giant monkey transformation.

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>>54965574
Gonna need to work extra hard to keep Khorne away from them, especially if they start chimping out.

>>54965098
>Or, you know, how GW treats every Codex update.
AND THIS... IS... TO LOYALTY... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!

>>54961610
Ozaru just means "Great Monkey" in Japanese and it's what they call their transformed version.

>>54952606
Wasn't part of Videl's thing in Z was that's where we learned that almost everybody can use ki to fly, but firing energy beams is just something some people just can't do?

>>54949821
Goku was vulnerable because he lowered his guard. This is fairly consistent throughout the series; we see Vegeta cheap shot him during the Buu arc, and Goku gets hurt by a rock thrown by Krilin when he's sleeping in the Cell arc.

Thing is, this stuff only works when their guard is down. The biggest danger to Saiyan's in this scenario would be Officio Assassinorum

>>54966146
No, everyone including her can shoot Ki beams if they know how to use Ki. Beams are actually easier than flying, they've been around since original DB. Even a human on Videl's level of strength can use Ki attacks (Spopovich). In fact going by Dragon Ball Online's backstory, Gohan eventually will write a book on the physics of Ki while Pan will take over her grandpa's studio and help people across the planet learn how to use it, prompting Krillin to start up a new Turtle School and Tien a new Crane School, with Goten and Trunks starting up a swordfighting school after learning that applying Ki to certain weapons greatly increases their effectiveness to the point of breaking nearly unbreakable materials (in other words making Power Swords and other such weapons commonplace, though dependent on the user's Ki).

>>54961708
The Imperium had warp travel before he was stuck on the throne you know.

>>54965417
>his power is maximum
>got burned by lava
Bruh

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Imagine if instead of that one Ork Warboss who invaded Khorne's turf and has to eternally fight demons, it were Saiyans. Even the weakest Saiyan would get progressively stronger from being forced to fight constantly. They'd receive constant zenkai boosts ensuring that their power grows exponentially. Eventually after years of being exposed to this training regime that Goku and Vegeta never dreamt of, the group of Saiyans would grow strong enough to destroy galaxies, create dimensional holes using ki attacks and even kill the chaos gods themselves.

>>54961708
He can power the astronomican without having to sit on the throne. However, the further he gets away from it the more it takes.

>>54966410

I know, i just love shitpoating about he best/worst db character

Did I just travelled back in time to the year 2000 or something? Are we seriously redoing Goku vs X debates again?

>>54969581
Dragonball Super is a thing now, anon.

>>54969581
BoG, RoF & the new series is out.

>>54965232
The Saiyans and Orks would be a match made in heaven

>>54967068
they only get boosts when they come back from near death. bit hard to come back when they're skulls are being seperated from their bodies and then they're resurrected at base.

>>54965098
>Almost like it was written by a guy who rarely planned ahead and made shit up as he went along.
Blame his editor for it, the original plan was Dragon Ball and nothing else.

>>54974970
Gohan was a shit protag

Pretty good

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>>54949013
Reminder that FriezaCorp has them by the balls.

>>54949013
exterminated for consorting with xenos or for being xenos. until bobby G decides to make one his queen

>>54981342
Girlyman would probably want as many of them as he could get his hands on, especially with the hybrid potential that exists. He wouldn't betray his waifu but he sure as fuck wouldn't turn down another group of monkey super-soldiers. Hell, treat them right and give them lots of battles to engage in and they'll be some of the most loyal allies you can get, not like they were actively rebelling against Frieza.

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>>54981342
The female Saiyans are extremely pure.

>>54981460
So basically furry orks?

>>54982260
Orks on steroids. The Beast would barely be able to hold up against their average soldiers, especially under moonlight. Like has been pointed out, they'd probably get along best with the Orks, or at the very least Orks would absolutely love fighting them.

>>54982260
A bit a race of furry, flying weirdboyz.

>>54982327
>get along best with the Orks, or Orks would absolutely love fighting them
To Orks threr the same thing.

>>54981188
Vegeta in oozaru form was stronger than Ginyu

Khorne would absolutely love them. Between Imperial factions deciding that Saiyans were "human enough to be useful" and conscripting them en masse, and orks creating a zenkai boost positive feedback loop, they would probably end up spreading all over the galaxy in short order. Especially considering that Saiyans have a technique specifically meant to simulate moonlight, meaning that the same effect could likely be easily mechanized.

You'd have Ozarus springing up all over the place, and once the first Saiyan actually hit SSJ, the powerscaling would go off the chart. I have no idea what that would even do to the galaxy as a whole, especially considering how genetic manipulation might result in the spread of Saiyan genes being greatly accelerated.

Goku and Piccolo who faced Raditz were casual moon busters, and Raditz BTFO both of them. Now Raditz was an elite, but if we assume that a rank-and-file Saiyan was only half as strong as Raditz, they would still be absolutely horrifying. Vastly hypersonic flying bricks that could exterminate entire civilizations in the matter of days, shrug off anything short of heavy orbital bombardment or warp fuckery, and 1v1 anyone short of a Primarch (and I am being very generous to Primarchs). And can also turn into apes ten times as strong. And have elites like Nappa who though short of a planet buster could definitely scour an earthlike planet's surface with a single attack. Provided with good space tech and space to grow, they would easily take over the 40k universe. If Imperium saw that potential they would likely go Frieza on their ass and exterminatus their planet ten times over. Even if they could be indoctrinated, the risks in the case of rebellion are too high.

>>54960864
Under a hundred

>>54984834
Power level wise, this is true. Goku upon arrival on Namek was about the same power level as Saiyan Saga Vegeta in Oozaru form

>>54960941
Neither did the farmer, and he still had a Power Level of 5.

It's worth noting that the Scouter took into account not only the farmer, but also his rifle. The Scouter measures battle power potential, not just raw ki.

>>54984834
The difference is that Ginyu can be that powerful *all the time*, whereas Vegeta's Oozaru form depends upon either having a moon or creating one, and in either case has a massive weakness in the form of its tail.

>>54982327
>orks would love fighting them
I'm pretty sure that Sayains would rip through ork hordes like they weren't even there. Orks can tear humans apart with ease - I'm sure they couldn't handle a Sayain

>>54985222
they better get that exterminatus right the first time though because if the Saiyans get access to any form of space ships they can just fly up and blow the imperial ships out of the sky

>>54988274
In a filler arc Vegeta stood in his possession from space & blew up a planet. Those pods also go many times the speed of light.

>>54985222
>Even if they could be indoctrinated, the risks in the case of rebellion are too high.
This is the reason Vegeta vetoed Nappa's idea of breeding to produce an army of half-saiyans. They'd be too strong to control.

>>54988066
It's ki. In DB everything has ki, even farmers, animals, insects and grass, with the exception of androids.

>>54988300
They're still easy to shoot down. The Saiyan could survive in outer space for a while, maybe blast down a few enemy ships but they ultimately can't breathe in space. Using only pods would quickly get them fucked by any 40k navy.

>>54988396
Nappa alone could raise a few fingers and blow up a city. Even needing to retreat to their pods for air, they got plenty of firepower and range. Small targets too. It'd be like if a Tau drone could exterminatus.

>>54985222
>Now Raditz was an elite

No he wasn't. He was a common warrior, just like his father and brother.

>>54988477
To be fair though those ships are not Saiyan technology so if they were just transplanted they wouldn't necessary get to keep that stuff and might have to rely on getting ships another way.

Them getting ships would absolutely make any form of exterminatus prohibitively difficult and expensive given that even the Imperium does not particularly enjoy sacrificing entire fleets just to take out 1 planet.

So for everyone involved, best hope the first ones to discover them aren't the Tau, because they'd most certainly be stupid enough to actually land and try some form of interactions before getting beat up and their shit stolen.

>>54990315
We don't know much about the Saiyan race's technology besides Frieza. Bardock was said to be an average warrior but gifted scientist though.

>>54961657
>Closest thing to gods the Saiyans had is the original SS God
Now I wanna just say that the Saiyans would just be a re-fluff of those Sensei dudes, or whatever the descendants of the Emperor are called, a race of beings that can exist in harmony with the warp and demonstrate a great natural talent for tapping its power (biokinesis, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc.). They happen to know his origin story as a bunch of ancient human shamans combining their souls and power to be reincarnated as the Big E himself and the closest translation of their language's term for him and his origin is this "Super Saiyan God" business. Hell, they might even know about the Horus Heresy as this "good Saiyans" vs "bad Saiyans" conflict before the Imperium ever finds them. The biggest difference would be that rather than being emotionless weirdos, they're proud and spent a great deal of time stuck planetside on some asshat feral world rediscovering how to get off the damn rock. Otherwise, (according to the Lexicon) the Imperium hates them as a bunch of dangerous bandits and rebels, which is why they'd rather destroy them and render them down into psychoactive munitions, essentially casting the Imperium of Man in the role of the Frieza Empire.

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>>54949013
Perfection when?

It'd be 10 sessions to launch an attack

>>54990600
>Bardock was said to be an average warrior but gifted scientist though.
Only in the dub.