The Imperium finds the planet of Pandora, how long does it take

Considering how things happened on the movie, less than a month. you won't even need space marines.

>>54948546
This, Imperium takes over literally in an afternoon.

>>54947364
10 minutes when they nuke it from orbit because the planet is xeno heresy

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>>54947364
They don't even require infantry to land. The fleet releases their maruader bombers/destroyers and destroys every gathering of navi on the planet in 30mins.

Or they drop a virus bomb and wipes the planet of organic life.


Even if they wanted to just give their guards regiments practice on some easy xenos, the navi don't win a single encounter.

>>54947364

Probably brought into Imperial Compliance in less than a standard year. I suppose it'd play out much the same way as the movie, but without all that stupid xenos hybridization and tolerance of the native xenos and other such nonsense.

If they're deemed not a threat (which blue aliens are often slated as possible future threats) they'd probably be exterminated. But given their dependence on their world's atmosphere and native world treemind thing, they're unlikely to go anywhere. I suppose a few Inquisitors could add them to their retinues if the Imperium doesn't consider them any kind of threat, so long as their magic space rocks get mined up so they can be burned or whatever to power an inefficient and archaic manufacturing plant to produce substandard, redundant equipment that is subsequently lost on the tides of the warp or delivered to the wrong regiments in the wrong warzone.

How does the Imperium deal with Borderlands Pandora?

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>>54947364
If they find out anything about the planetary neural network, the Imperium is to xenophobic and reactionary to do anything but burn the entire ecosystem to the ground, which could take anywhere from months to centuries due to their horrendously bloated and self-sabotaging bureaucracy. Then they'd have to go through the trouble of re-terraforming it to an ecosystem inhabitable by humans, which would take even longer due to the toxic atmosphere and the fact that they just destroyed all native life.

If they don't look closely enough for that, which is likely because the Imperium values ignorance and hate, they'd probably try to form actual human settlements on Pandora because that's what they do with death worlds. In that case, they're in for a LONG haul; the native Na'vi are larger, stronger, and faster than humans, know the environment very well, have every reason to hate the invaders, and have the whole ecosystem on their side. It would probably take hundreds or thousands of years before semi-stable Imperial settlements are established, which would eventually become known for producing incredibly skilled Guardsmen who are adept at jungle fighting, because that's what it takes to survive on Pandora. The rest of the Imperium would make a nominal effort to conquer the planet thereafter, but wouldn't really want to go all the way, because then they wouldn't get as many deathworld-trained troops.

>>54948919
>>54948929

How did Hyperium deal with it? It's a Frontier World, with little significant resources save a few scattered traces of xenos technology and materials for AdMech study.

Ultimately, they'd probably leave its exploitation to Rogue Traders. And after that... Well, nothing much really changes. Hyperion and Jack do basically exactly what they do without many changes save the Loaders and robots are replaced with Servitors, Servo Skulls, and indentured slaves. Everything else is basically exactly the same.

>>54948919
Confiscate nice tech, blow up any resistance, tithe some crazy guardsmen, and probably recruit a lot of vault hunters into assorted retinues and chapters

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>>54948943
> thousands of years
> settle the planet without exterminating a native xeno species

What are you smoking? The IG take out ork world's in a few years.

The navi could barely handle some regular human mercenaries WITH other humans helping them. What are the navi going to do against sanctioned psykers that can wave their hands and clear the sky of their bird riders? Or a single beam fired from orbit into their gathered land forces?

>>54949421
They are forgetting that the guard has actual weapons for dealing with unarmored targets, namely stubbers and multilasers.

And they have tanks that actually can't get hurt by spears/bows

Heck catachan is worse than pandora by 10^3

>>54947364
"Spare us your pity, xenos scum. You gush about your connection with nature, your primal wisdom, but what has it brought you?

"Where are your marvels of engineering? Your voyages of discovery? Your great insight into the nature of the universe? Even at our basest, when we dressed as you do, dwelt as you do, hunted as you do, lived as you do, we did more than merely survive. We built wonders. We made great journeys. We forged epics. You have not.

"You speak so proudly of the plugs dangling from your skulls, little realizing that they are but strings and you puppets. What little you have accomplished you attribute to the wisdom of your goddess, who is nothing but the voices of your dead echoing for all eternity. She moors you to the past, serving as a leash that keeps you as little better than apes, sad parodies of civilization that lack that special spark to become something more.

"We have come to your world in search of resources. Whether your actions drive us back or we take what we want and move on, the outcome is the same. We will depart from your wretched planet, leaving you behind. And in a thousand years, you will not have changed from this contact with another world. You will remain in your trees, hunting your prey, communing with your goddess, until your sun burns out and your world dies.

"And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us..."

>>54949479
Come to think of it, Catachans with gas mask will consider Pandora as a vacation resort.

>>54949479
I'll give the fight a day if they decide to exterminatus the planet.

3 months if they break out the napalm and planes

A year if they use catachans, 2 if they don't

>>54949530
I got an intense image of a commissar giving this speech standing on the body of a dying navi chief.

>>54949530
And here we go.

This sort of HFYbabble gives off the weird impression that they babbler actually agrees with the Imperium somehow.

>>54949530
This speech is bizarre coming from a brainwashed member of a corpse cult based on the galaxy's worst game of Chinese whispers.

Also, HFYshit.

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>>54949819
>>54949842
> It's OOC for an imperial to give a speech telling a xeno they are inferior and humans are the best because Humans.

What's next, orks don't actually like fighting?

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>>54947364
>comparing anything to 40k
>putting anything from other IPs into 40k

what's they point? 40k is purposely made to be as ridiculous over the top and overpowered as possible so practically all crossover potential is lost unless the other setting is just as silly.

That said though, what settings would Pandora fit into relatively well?

>>54949530
I love this speech.

>>54949892
Blood Axes/Freebooterz?

Maybe the AdMech can send a Titan legion to have some fun with the navi.
Then they can turn pandora to a forge world.

The atmosphere of Pandora is toxic to humans. That leaves two possibilities:
- Pandora has nothing the Imperium wants. The Imperium classes the locals as a low-priority threat because they lack spaceflight, then leaves the world alone.
- Pandora has something the Imperium wants. They virus bomb the planet to deal with the local wildlife, leaving a dead world (possibly before discovering the Na'vi). Then they start mining.

>>54950397
>That said though, what settings would Pandora fit into relatively well?

Alien, Bladerunner

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>>54951208
They wouldn't really be out of place in most space operas either.

>that feel when no na'vi gf

>>54951208
They might be suitable for the Uplift Trilogy, although their neural network tree thing would make doing actual uplift rather difficult. Unless the Tymbrini or the Thennanin find them I would expect they'd be exterminated in short order, since they're more "wildlings" or close enough but don't have the Patron status, allies or reasonable-if-massively-inferior-to-the-Galactics tech that humanity is using to keep their asses alive, nor the unique outlook on problems and a large dash or trickery and bullshit due to having to fight all the way from animals to scientific and rational civilisation making a billion mistakes along the way, rather than having it all handed to them during Uplift like every other species. Basically, they're humans but without the only things humanity is good at in that setting, so they're totally fucked. Their planet would be a hella good Sooner world or possibly Garden World, though.

That series does actually do HFY right, since if we ever try to win in a straight fight we get completely annihilated. Hell, HFY but without all the xenophobia is the government's preferred attitude, because the alternative is a crushing racial onferirorjtt complex looking at all the advanced and ancient Galactic species-clans.

>>54950397
The point is to fantasize about easy genocide because they watched the movie and it offended them.

>>54951997
Indeed.

You know what I'm hoping for in the Avatar sequels: The entire Pandora ecosystem is revealed as being artificial. The aliens who created it show up.

>>54949892
You just triggered an SJW is all. They work on fee fees.

>>54951031
They would absolutely want unobtanium.

>>54951681
Yiff in hell

>>54948960
>How did Hyperium deal with it?
Poorly

>>54952267
Only if they do the scientific research required to figure out what they can do with it.

>>54950397
Doctor Who.

The Adeptus Mechanicus conquers the planet in 5 seconds.

>you're telling me this planet contains a biological version of a data network?
>call the magos biologis RIGHT NOW!

This is a big fucking deal. They can fucking clone that tree and give even the smallest AdMech outpost a data network.

>>54949421

Yeah, the movie is basically Blackwater versus unga bungas. The thing about the IG is that they commit forces en masse, and they just never stop.

This, by the way, is why GW has written itself into a corner (just a little) with the Tau. The Tau can't afford to lose any battles, or the conclusion is inevitable - Chapter Master <insert name here> kills Shadowsun, Char's head is stuck on a pole, the alien settlements are purged en masse and all human auxiliaries are killed.

When the Imperium goes in balls-deep, everyone gets fucked.

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>>54952199
what if Eywa is a alien that changed the Pandoran ecosystem to fit itself? Would be a unexpected tweest.

That the moon is some sort of alien experiment/colony/vacation spot is also pretty good, how would the ayy lmaos react to humans settling on "their" moon

>>54949819
>>54949842

It's a very accurate in-character post. What the fuck are you even on about?

>>54952244
As opposed to people who is offended by a movie and tries to rant against it, and is even more offended when two people didn't like his shit and decided to "correct" a misconception that neither of them made.

>>54952365
Addendum: Someone who chose to "correct" the same strawman twice.

>>54948964
>Confiscate nice tech,

The official Ordos Xenos policy about xenos tech is anyone caught studying or using xenos tech is to put to death after sufficient torture.

>>54952365
Not even him but why do you think the poster was offended by the movie?

It's just a post that answers the original post by impersonating an IG commissar (or some other officer).

>>54952402
The unofficial Admech policy is "good luck with that".

>>54952402
The official Xenarite Mechanicus policy about the Ordo Xenos is that they can go fuck themselves with a cyberdong while we loot this planet, or the Malagra will do it for them.

Inquisition authority is REALLY restricted within the Admech de facto, since they can't even speak Lingua Technis without an implant proceedure and the Admech will almost always have better kit than them.

>>54952365

Seems to me that you are the only one offended here over a perceived slight towards the movie.

>>54952423
Because the whole point of threads like these is to lash out at it. You can tell by his virtually copypasted speech about how nature is evil and humans are awesome for "beating" it and how they deserve to slaughter the natives and destroy their land.

The reason it sounds so "authentic" is because those people have the mentality of the Imperium for real. The only thing that made it 40k-specific rather than just a generic speech by them is the use of the word "xenos", which a lot of them do anyway.

>>54952482
That's not what's happening here >>54949530

>>54952504
sorry for budging into your conversation there buddy, but
>thread about a crossover fight betrween IoM and X
>people roleplay as imperials
>bitch about it
>a board dedicated to roleplaying and tabletop, with a big wh40k fanbase
>"those people have the mentality of the Imperium for real"
wtf are you on about?

>>54952402
BL Pandora isn't Xenos tech. It's just weird human tech. Which is even more reason why they're going to be shit out of luck trying to stop the AdMech getting their oily little fingers all over it.

>>54952504
Yeah, what unites humanity is our xenophobia. To long we were seperated by petty struggles, together we shall purge all this xeno scum.

>>54947364
+ + + INCOMING TRANSMISSION + + +
+ + + REF: GUL/15904237512345/EWYA + + +
+ + + AUTHOR: ULTRAMARINE COMPANY 1 PRIORITY OVERRIDE + + +
+ + +SUBJECT: CHAOS CRUISER 'PAINFUL LESSON (4U) + + +
+ + +THOUGHT: "Death is no dishonour" + + +


The suborned Chaos Cruiser "Painful Lesson (4U)" has been captured and sabotaged as per your orders. We have successfully retrieved the fateful logs leading to this abomination's ascendance. The cruiser was the first to respond to the growing warp presence, and so was the one who received the final transmission of the exploration vessel "Fist For The Emperor 52". Logs as follows.

+ + + LOGS BEGIN + + +
+ + + PRIORITY MARK + + +
-Just exterminatus, do not hesitate. Please heed my words!-


-Captain's Log, - 15- 935.M41
We are now enroute to planet x455, named by the ancient star charts found by Archmagos Ioshua as "Pandora". The planet has a high concentration of useful minerals, but the prime reason for the journey is a lure of golden age technology - a base is said to be there, and if the emperor smiles on us, we may find an STC.

Day 150

We have arrived on planet one terran month early - congratulations to Navigator Tomas - and made landfall after clearing an appropriate area with our thrusters. Contact with a xeno menace - a blue skinned muscular, savage race - had been made and repelled by our Astra Militatum platoon. The Archmagos has started scans look for the base.

>>54953219

Day 162
Disappointingly, the base holds no useful technology and worse, seems to indicate the humans here were attempting to use alien bodies instead of the purity of the human form. It has strangely been well preserved by the natives, and so Archmagos Ioshua has requested to entreat them for information in hopes of salvaging any STCs. I have allowed it, but also reminded him that the local population would be exterminated when mining begins. Sergeant Harris has been told to watch for tech heresy or filthy xenophilia. Meanwhile, fliers are scouting for the best place for mineral extraction.

DATA MISSING

Day 185
The renegade Archmagos is dead at my hand, but I fear for the worst. As we interrupted the foul witchcraft ritual, I myself shot down Archmagos Ioshua. But as he lay dying amidst the alien tree's great branches, his words terrified me.
"The planet - Eywa... Millions upon millions of minds and souls within... And I am joining with them..."

I am planning to dust off and order a full scale eradication of the natives now, and will do so as soon as I return to the Fist of the Emperor.

Day 186
It's impossible but the worst has happened the planet has somehow consumed the archmagos's brain and learned his memories. This is an abomination, a heresy upon heresy.

Worse, the planet has launched a vicious attack on the ship while I was away with the majority of the assault force. Despite losing thousands, the ship was invaded and they have taken the navigator and destroyed the engine couplings. We are stranded. Emperor help us, I do not think things can get worse.

Day 187
THE PLANET HAS AWOKEN TO PSYCHIC POWERS AND CAN NOW RIP SOULS FROM OUR VERY BODIES

Just exterminatus, do not hesitate. Please heed my words! I will destroy the controls of the ship as best I can after sending these logs get out of my head!! And grant the emperor's mercy upon myself. Please head my call, whoever reads these. Please.

+ + + LOGS END + + +

>>54953225

Sadly, this message was only received by the "Painful Lesson (4U)" and its captain decided to investigate the growing warp presence felt by their sorcerous master. The planet had eaten their souls, and has already consumed five Chaos warbands hoping to conquer this new mind. This is where the "Black Tithe" of chaos sorcerers being ferried to was going, fed to become one with the new chaos God, Ewya. It was only a year ago that the the False Astronomicon had blazed into life and caused immense disruption with our logistics, and the Tyranid Swarms Beluga and Star-eater have diverted to nearby imperial sectors to avoid Pandora. I do not know how this amaglation of billions of xenos and thousands of chaos psykers could possibly put out the strength of mind to the Emperor's, but it has. Emperor save us, it has.

Pandora is well defended by the Chaos forces taken body and soul, and it has grown to such psychic power that entering within an AU its influence will imperil our very souls. Our fleet has been drawn from the remaining forces in both sectors, and before we attack, the crews will grant the emperor's mercy to themselves, leaving only the grey knights to pilot the ships in on this suicide mission to destroy the planet.

Even should we succeed, we will have lost the entire sector, and maybe more.

I fear, my Lord. I fear.
May the Emperor protect.


1st Company Captain, Ultramarine, final transmission.

>>54953244
Why not just lob asteroids from more than one AU away? Sure, it's more expensive and time consuming than cyclonic torpedoes in the end, but you don't need to get up close.

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>>54953331
Chaos frigates intercept it and destroy them, duh.

>>54953407
Send bigger rocks then.

>>54953426
They've got an planet-sized emperor-rivalling psyker brain made of millions of alien souls, you think the emperor couldn't stop a rock? What are you, a filthy heretic?

>>54953219
>>54953225
>>54953244
So a minor form of the Catelexis Heresy? With Ewya instead of the Cacodominus. And only one world instead of 1300 worlds?

>>54953331
>>54953407
>>54953426
>>54953453

Right, so what you do is you find a large asteroid with high metal concentration, make like you're trying to rig it as a bombardment weapon and explode it "accidentally" then launch the volley of magna-melta missiles through the debris cloud moving towards the planet, very short burn behind the explosion before engines off. Looks like no threat at all, but half a dozen of the metallic ore fragments can end the planet on their own.
Then move to another asteroid and rig that up normally, to make it look like just a fuckup.

>>54949557
Catachans without the gas mask would consider Pandora as a vacation resort.

>>54953505
Good idea. Why haven't Chaos done that to Sol?

Oh, wait.

>>54952438
Don't forget that it doesn't count as Xenos tech if you can replicate it using human technology.

Also, it doesn't count as Xenos tech if it's so good even Inquisitors want to use it (C'tan phase blades).

>>54949530
The phrase "that special spark" is very out of place. Definitely not something an imperial commander would say, unless he's a horsefucker or something. Replace it with "the drive" and you're golden, that was a fucking good speech.

>>54953593
Because Sol has it's own battlefleet, a massive moon deathstar gun platform, enough orbital defences on Mars alone to gib four Necron ships in the time it takes them to go from orbit to surface and a billion other things? The Emperor certainly isn't playing AA gun, he has other problems.
Not to mention it's kinda hard to get a Chaos ship to Sol, whereas in this situation the Imperial fleet clearly has time to prepare their ships to be piloted by a handful of Grey Knights and appear to be fine outside of an AU to do what they want, and Pandora is still far less defended than Sol anyway even if Eywa could predict that trick or knew what distinguished a missile from a lump of ore and how to stop it. It's got mental fuckery and wildlife, I don't think it ever showed technical aptitude.

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>>54953635
Anon, it's from some old as dirt hfy copypasta.
Well, as old as the movie.

>>54953244
It's not a new chaos god.

More like a biological ai created by Aliens.

Two things would happen
>ad mech freaks out, studies planet.
>any other imperial group, firebombs everything(then the ad mech freak out)

>>54952504
look at what being with nature did to the native Americans, they didn't have the level of resistance to disease that the explorers had.

And although the living standards weren't great for a while, we have pretty great ones now.

Whe are on our way to becoming biologically immortal, reaching a fission or fusion power system, and we are about to make a colony on another planet.

All of that will happen in like 2 decades.

For having such a perfect planet the n'vai really hadn't done anything. Even though James really tried to make the n'vai "superior" I felt like the humans should have one.

They diplomatically tried to get mining permission to the ore, when they could have just firebombed everything. If anything the n'vai weren't even using the ore. They did the right things up until one dude got too attached to his fursona.

>They are like the chakats, they are supposably "superior" but they really aren't

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>le what if we put this in 40k XD meme
>le humanity fuark yeah, we're da best even though I can't run five miles or bench my bodyweight XD

>>54954002
>oh man, running out of ideas to argue about. I'll just insult them.


Seriously dude, the na'vi aren't worth it

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>>54954053
They are far more worth it than this inane dribble you spew out of your Imperial cum-coated asshole.

>>54954080
It's not inane dribble.

Listen to yourself, the thread is about if the 40k universe found pandora.

They hate aliens, the planet would be cleansed in about a year(less if they get smart)

I know you want nature to win and all, but nature didn't get us to the moon.

>>54950397
Halo
Mass Effect

>>54954053
That's my first post in the thread though? I fucking hate Avatar, I just think it's funny to mock worthless people who take a source of pride in simply being born a human, as well as people that think it's somehow interesting to force yet another dumb random thing into their favorite dumb grimstupid setting.

If you don't have enough stamina to endurance hunt an animal, enough strength to kill an animal with a spear and bench at absolute minimum 200 pounds, and enough tool use competency to shoot a firearm well you have no business talking about human superiority, by the way :^)

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>>54952284
Stick it into Leman Russes to keep them running, obviously. Or someone high-up in the Admech discovers a really good use of this stuff, makes all sorts of fancy tech around it and then stuffs it into his vault to be forever forgotten.

>>54947364
Pic related
You know very well that some Inquisitor would show up with Space Marines to take the planet, if there's something on it that is worth it.

>>54954053
40k powerlevel wank got old like 10 years ago but you still get noobs bringing it up like it's some genius creative exercize

>>54954143
I imagine most of 4chan can shoot guns, considering /k/ is a thing.

Plus, the only reason they aren't able to run down animals is because they don't need to. Some dude had the brilliant idea of capturing animals, and then breeding them so that they stay captured. Now most people here can't hunt animals, but why would they have to.
It's another reason why the na'vi can't win this fight. Without farming they can't reach the population required to win more than a skirmish

>>54954167
Yea but if WE, the human race where somehow able to get to pandora. We could take the planet.

Heck there's a chance that we would just culture victory it, considering our higher living standards

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>>54954053
>>54954080

there is really nothing to argue about, everyone with a brain and even cursory knowledge of 40k will understand how this thread would pan out.
It doesn't really get better by the fact that avatar is poorly written and has a point it tries to make.
I also see no reason personally to equate the human company in avatar with humanity as a whole, the mine was lead by warmongering idiots that probably would be thrown out head first if anyone on Earth found out that they where planning a genocide on the only sapient alien they knew existed.
Somehow feeling "offended" when a bunch of scumbags get their asses kicked is very strange, a bit like getting angry at the police for busting a trafficking ring because the ringleaders where "our guys".
Before someone mentions "but muh unobtainum was going to save Earth!" This is false, they mined the mineral to sell it and earn money, nothing else.

cont...

>>54954353
>Warmongering idiots

But they made CLONES to communicate with the natives, they where trying it diplomatically. Then traitor #1 DIDN'T EVEN TRY to talk to them.

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>>54954353

I can understand people getting annoyed when all the kickass helicopters and mechs get destroyed by neolithic aliens, but keep in mind that the na'vi are psychically stronger, ride giant beasts and eventually had Eywa, either a literal god or a supercomputer on their side.
Once again there is no need to feel insulted by anything here, it's just the "evil guy gets cocky, ignores all warnings and loses everything" trope everyone here must have seen hundreds of times.

Finally, how could anyone hate such a cute species as the na'vi? They deserve nothing but tender love and peaceful cooperation.

>>54954448
>cute
It's 3DPD, it can't be cute.

>>54954448
The people who made those helicopters and mechs are idiots and should be fired.

They had literal video-game weak spots

And the na'vi weren't even using the metal, they should have let them mine it and then leave

>>54949819
>>54949842
>implying HFY is a bad thing in a setting like 40k's

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>>54954423
The RDA leadership on Pandora doesn't believe in neither diplomacy nor the avatar program. They consider it a joke and a waste of money, and "move from your land or we'll kill you" isn't diplomacy.

>>54954508
Both the mechs and helicopters were severely outdated and only used because they were dirt cheap surplus and worked on Pandora, were there is a lot of electronic interference. The mechs are also future forklifts, not military vehicles, hence the huge glass windows.

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>>54954448
Filthy Xeno-Lover

>>54952562
He is just buttblasted for some reason, anon. Leave him alone.

>>54954607
Don't move or we'll kill you is nicer than a lot of space dwelling races. At least they had a chance.

A different group would have just nuked them

>>54954817

... Is it?

Telling someone to not breath and shooting them for breathing is basically the same as just shooting them.

>>54954844
They just had to let them mine, deep crust mining is a thing.

Heck with a spaceship you could have just moved the tree.

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>>54954674
>Threatening a Navigator

Literally the only character from another IP that has any chance in 40K is the Emperor in Star Wars, given a few years he would run/destroy the Imperium. Or take over chaos.

After him, Master Chief / Cortanna is a very distant second.

>>54954899
One punch man
Power man

>>54952714
There are a shitload of alien technologie on Pandora,Eridian weapons, Guardians(which seems to be some sort of golems created to look likes Eridian) and most importantly at least 4 Eridian Vault(one from Bordelands which is a prison guarding a tentacle Monster, two in Borderlands 2, one being a device to control a monster and another one in the Torgue Dlc, which is a weapons cache(though gameplay wise the weapons are from human creator which might be an enormous oversight)
Finally in Tales From the Borderlands thé Vault of the traveller allow you to travel across the whole universe

Pandora was explored for it's Eridian ruin and tech, people just didnt came here for nothing

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>>54954916
>One punch man
I, Cato Sicarius, do not believe some baldie could take on me, Cato Sicarius.

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>>54954817
That still isn't diplomacy, and it sure isn't nice either. And humans are the only space traveling species in avatar.
"someone else is worse" isn't a good reason to be a dick anyway.
However one thing people seem to forget is that Pandora is a large moon and there are certainly other places to mine, the RDA only chose the deposit right under a village because it was the closest and cheapest (and since they are evil cartoon villains). If they really wanted they could mine somewhere else where they wouldn't have disturbed the na'vi

>>54954916
Heck mob is an Alpha plus psyker

>>54954448
The only people that bother me are the ones who insist that the Na'vi should have had some nefarious underbelly to their civilization so they can try to justify the humans being cunts to them.
No, not everything needs a shades of grey treatment, and if people are going to be cunts, you do not in any way need to justify them being cunts by making the other people less righteous.

>>54954953
I mean, they are nomads, asking them to move(even going as far as clones to aid communication) isn't going to hurt them.

We have mined under places harder than a giant tree before.

Plus it's a room temperature superconductor. You want as much of that as possible.

>>54955008
They literally mind control animals. Nothing about that seems wrong to you?

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>>54947364
What if Pandora is found by the Tau?
They're blue too, it would help with diplomacy I guess.

>>54954549
It is. Humanity in 40k is awful, not only to all other races but to each other. HFY is about looking about the things that make humanity awful and gloating about them.

>>54954953
Iirc, it was the motherlode source of all other deposits.
To wit, anon, going to someone and telling them that they want to do invasive mining operations under your most sacred religious site that also happens to be able to kill you (and your entire biome) via synaptic feedback if something goes wrong is a poor pitch.

>>54955090
There are some pretty cool humans in 40k, the living saints come to mind.

Plus the interex are awesome, easily the good guys in 40k

>>54955076
Short term domestication that ends when the connection is broken and leaves no lasting harm to either?
They are not creating new sub-species to fuel their growth and serve their needs, anon, the capacity is something they were born to, not hijacked.

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What if the Tau Empire discovered Pandora?

>>54955100
They could have even stealth mined. Or just mined. At least they asked.

I'd rather be asked by a mugger my money or my life, then to just be shot and have my money looted off my corpse

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>>54948851
I have to say I love the shear meaninglessness of the Navi losing and getting their stupidly named mineral, renamed to sound more Latinish, (unobtaniumius?) only to produce worthless weapons that go on to do nothing, and then there are ones who go "Whelp, can't beat em" and go off to work on the Inquistion's payroll

>>54955160
>At least they asked.
Doesn't make them less cunts, anon.
If you ask someone something, the subtext there is that you will respect their decision.
For your example to make sense, the mugger will shoot you regardless of what you do, because the point isn't to get your money, it's to fucking shoot you.
>>54955150
Probably not much, really. Tau have enough basic respect for life that unless there was an absolute pressing need, they'd just co-opt the world into their sphere and keep it rolling.

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>>54955008
Just like humans there are guaranteed to be individual na'vi that most people would consider evil. What we see in the movie is just a small part of all na'vi that are spread out over Pandora. I do think most of them share somewhat similar culture though thanks to Eywa.

>>54955041
The na'vi clan featured most prominently in the movie is not nomadic, they live in their giant tree and have ample food thanks to Eywa, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem at all really.

>>54955100
Not all other deposits, but it was the largest deposit by far close to the humans. And it's the hometree they live in that is above the deposit, not the holy trees

>>54954002
You can't bench your body weight? Man that's sad. I guess it's normal for self-hating fags. I gotta go back to /fit/ and leave /tg/ to the human detritus that blames humanity for their faillings, I guess.

>>54955214
>>54955244
Humans are so vastly powerful compared to the na'vai. Because they are also master bioengineers, they could have just taken a sample of everything's genetics. They could just clone everything, learn what they could from them. Then they could just nuke everything and mine it all.

But they didn't, they used their power to make clones to actually communicate with the natives and ask them diplomatically to move.

You really have to appreciate the gesture

>>54952362
Mmm, it might set up rather handily the classic "we must put aside our differences and fight together" because the Gardeners come back and see bipedal aphids messing up their unobtanium rock garden

>>54955085
They become a mining colony for the Tau Empire.
If they cannot diplomatically make this happen, they're more than willing to beat them to submission.

Tau's demand for rare and exotic materials is extremely high as their society's very existence requires new previously unavailable materials to become available so that they can create new and better battlesuits.

Depending on the value of the planet strategically, they might elect to up the anti and try to go for a full on planetary occupation. The Tau may be diplomatic, but they aren't going to let some tribal savages to stand in the way of the Greater Good.

>>54954802
maybe he's one of those weirdos who wanted to live on pandora after seeing that movie

>>54955407
What if they learned how to take advantage of the local wild life. Strike a deal to spread Eywa across the stars, for the Greater Good.

With a small decoy assault they could infect a planet with the plants, let them grow and start to take over the wild life

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>>54947364
Avatar is just a ripoff of Albion with shit sprinkled over.

>>54955722
Oh em gee, this is a blue board, Anon.

>>54955834
wearing literally the same thing as in >>54954607

>>54949530
A proper Imperisl wouldn't even waste time with a speech like that. Pandora would just become another on some regiments banner, while the planet is strip mined to its core within a generation.

And somewhere, and Magos Biologis will missassemble a Na'vi skeleton as some deformed, elephantine creature.

>>54952362

I'm getting cross-over vibes from Dead Space and the brethren moons.

Granted the B-Moons are fuckin' stupid but imagine if the alien endoplanet creature was just biologically uplifting the local wildlife the same way a farmer rears choice cuts of meat?

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>>54955332
I don't think the humans have any interest in nuking Pandora or genocide the na'vi. As mentioned most humans aren't evil and probably want to live together with the na'vi.
The mining could even continue if its done responsibly and without harming the ecosystem (believe it or not this can be done, even stripmines can be filled with water and transformed into lakes when they are depleted).

>>54955473
>he doesn't want to live on Pandora with a huntress waifu to connect his mind to and impregante

>>54954423
I don't know, the higher up really don't gave a fuck about it. It felt like it was a bureaucratic thing, made from obligation like a multinational funding a school near their new installations because it's something that they do when they get somewhere. There may be people inside the corporation who really care and genuinely believe in it but in the large scheme of things the corporation really doesn't care, they just have a budget dedicated to it and they are going to spend it because that what you do with budgets.

>>54955689
We had another thread about Avatar not so long ago where we talk about spreading Eywa across the stars as a potential sequels.
>>54928054
and following posts.

>>54956012
>>he doesn't want to live on Pandora with a huntress waifu to connect his mind to and impregante
lolno. have you met women? they're fucking crazy. i'm NOT gonna plug my brain into that mess.

>>54956292
Noice.
Thanx.

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>>54955962
to be honest I think Eywa genuinely cares for the na'vi.
If we have the "alien Eywa" theory this could very well be because it created the na'vi or altered the proto-na'vi (adding their queues for example).
What if the na'vi had a advanced civilization but then Eywa arrived from space and started to alter the entire biosphere to be compatible with it. Starting with microscopic life and moving up to plants, animals and finally the proto-na'vi themselves, changing them into the na'vi we know and love today.
Sadly (or fully intentionally, as it's far easier for Eywa to control and doesn't tear on the biosphere nearly as much) this lead to the na'vi regressing technologically and abandoning their previous civilization to live in small clans and fully trusting Eywa.
That would be the reason the na'vi haven't advanced beyond the stone age despite having a clear ancestral memory bank dating back thousands of years.

>>54954143
>I just think it's funny to mock worthless people
You're really in no position to talk, boyo. Why don't use that "tfw two intelligent 4 hfy" brain to cure cancer if you're so much better than everyone else?

>>54954143
I bet you're a blast at parties.

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>>54956425
of course there is the off chance that some hunter descends far down into a cave and stumbles upon strange markings etched into flat stone and climbs unnatural straight cave-tunnels shooting right up for several hundreds of meters.
Maybe he even finds strange artifacts that seems to fit the na'vi perfectly, but can't possibly be made by any craftsman in any clan he's ever heard about.
If the hunter then makes it back to the surface nobody could possibly believe him if he told them, and nobody really feels like venturing down in dark and damp caves just to find out.
Of course there is one party that would be ecstatic by such stories, whatever humans on Pandora would love to hear such stories

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>>54956425
>>54956694
> Na'vi ancestors were actually even more destructive than mankind and Eywa was created to save their world
> It had not other choice than to modify the Na'vi to save the planet and the Na'vi with it.

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>>54956386
na'vi women aren't human women Anon, and they are certainly not raised in a similar enviroment

>>54951208
Don't those all take place in the same universe anyway?

>>54957200
>gets spitroasted by a member of an invading army
close enough though
>not raised in a similar environment
>thinking we are merely a product of our environment
>in current year+2

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>>54957280
of course our personalities are formed by our environment, 200 years ago nobody had any interest in watching TV because it wasn't invented yet, instead they had completely different interests.
A na'vi woman that has been brought up in a close knit clan to love Eywa and make sure her family has food and is safe is going to have a very different personality than a typical human woman born and raised 2154 AD.
Na'vi women also seem to be as strong as their male counterparts, something a bit strange considering their build but I guess Eywa is just that good which gives them a much more active role in the neolithic na'vi community

>>gets spitroasted by a member of an invading army
???

>>54947364
It poses very very little problem, guardsmen set up on it with little resistance, a few days tops and they rule the planet

I vote Elysians get the job done quickest. A massive airborne invasion that can redeploy faster than the navi's flyers and valkerie rocket spam on their life tree for a quick knockout

>>54957463
>human nature changed in the span of 200 years
wat? pretty sure that's either not how this works, tv or not, or we are talking past each other here.
> have a very different personality than a typical human woman
close enough to make private bob's dick raise
>born and raised 2154 AD
again with the timeframe. unless you are suggesting mankind went down the road of eugenics in the avatar universe then they are still going to be pretty mcuh the same humans as the ones who didnt have a tv 200 years ago. only with spaceships and mechas n shit.
> as strong as their male counterparts
so? doesn't make them less crazy
> a bit strange considering their build
ah, so it was just shoehorned in to satisfy the screeching harpy feminazis who advocate shit like "men are only stronger because patriarchy and social constructs"

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>>54957626
What I mean is that they would have a very different view on the world compared to a modern human, since they live in a different world and have other things that concern them.
So even if you consider human women crazy the radically different nature of a na'vi is going to make it hard to compare the two beyond basic biology.
And a note on their build, they don't actually mention how na'vi sexual dimorphism is characterized, but there are a fair amount of female hunters and warriors so one can assume they are just as capable as the males, since otherwise they would be a burden when hunting and probably regulated to tasks in the village (like human women were).

>>54947364
Why are there multiple "imperium goes to x universe" threads up? do your job mods

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>>54949530
YES, SIR!

>>54956856
imagine being the guy or part of the group tasked with designing a AI that will destroy your entire civilization to make sure your home and species survive.

>>54955407
It's "to up the ante", Anon.

>>54950915
Ya what, git? Learnin' new wayz of killin from humiez dont make uz humiez, nor doez likin' teef.

>>54958126
> A strange game.
> The only winning move is not to play.
> But we have to.

>unleash sly marbo

>>54958350
>Activate the biological AI codenamed EYWA
>over the course of some decades the planets ecosystem makes a amazing comeback from it's nearly dead state
>the problem is that almost all of the flora and fauna that springs up are either considerable mutated variants of previously documented life or completely new lifeforms
>some of the new lifeforms are dangerous apex predators unseen before and difficult for even well equipped na'vi hunters to take down
>others are flesheating plants capable of devouring a fully grown na'vi
>most of it however, is very beneficial and beautiful
>after some time even the na'vi population starts to change
>the children being born have new features not found in their parents, including increased hair growth, a long extension of their brain springing out of their skull and ending in silky tentacles and carbon-fiber reinforced bones

>>54958744
>these children seem unwilling or unable to take in much of the advanced knowledge their parents posses but are otherwise intelligent
>as the older generation dies so does the advanced na'vi civilization since the new generation as no idea how to operate the vast majority of the advanced machinery and the fauna rapidly expands and covers the formerly impressive cities.
>any notion of a community beyond your relatives and neighbors becomes unknown to the na'vi as communications falter and Pandora goes dark
>confused and without guidance the former city-dwelling na'vi start to follow the animals of Pandora and learn to hunt them to survive, forming tribes centered around strong leaders and family bonds
>no less than a hundred years after the activation of EYWA all developed land is overgrown and the na'vi has practically no memory of any kind of advanced civilization, seeing their rusting machines and derelict cities as a part of the moon.

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EXTERMINATUS

FOLLOWED BY

MASTURBATORIUS

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>>54952199
You called?

>>54958908
>Slowly but surely the na'vi adapt to their new lifestyle, some discover that they can ride animals by connecting their queues with the animals antenna
>others take this further and experiment on what else they can connect their queues to, testing it on each other and even the fauna
>it doesn't take long for a curious na'vi to connect it's queue to one of the majestic purple trees that dot the landscape
>this na'vi receives a massive information dump as it connects directly to the EYWA, who informs the na'vi of it's purpose and how they should act to make themselves a part of the system
>this information is a massive step forward as a group of na'vi suddenly gets guidance and learns how to ride icrans, how they can live on inside the AIs memory and how they should live so that EYWA can give them such a good life as possible
>slowly but surely this knowledge spreads across the moon and soon virtually all na'vi are a part of EYWA

>>54947364
The planet wide network of super intelligent trees teach the natives how to build anti orbital rail guns out of unobtanium and superconductive tree roots.

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>>54959045
>since they are still unable to fully understand what EYWA is they consider it their creator goddess (not completely wrongly) and worships it
>many tribes settle down and live according to Eywas instructions, making almost any technological progress impossible but gives them a extremely stable fulfilling life
>the previous civilization is almost completely forgotten, only half remembered in ancient songs
>this way of life persists until humans eventually get to Alpha Centauri and finds the tribal na'vis, assuming they have never been anything but superstitious stone age hunters and gatherers

>>54959202
> Human mining operation accidentally unearth the past...

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>>54959270
that would be a solid plot hook alright

>>54959150
Christ. The grimdark Avatar sequel is all about the Na'vi realizing they have to give up their way of life to ensure their survival against a existential threat. Montages of trees being up-rooted and the construction of ore refining facilities. Flying rocks falling out of the sky as their preciousness metals are extracted. All to build weapons of mass destruction.

What would be worse, the Na'vi having to live with the horrific changes they make to survive, or if after all of that it's still not enough and they still lose?

>>54955085
>>54955150
>release the kroot

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>>54956856
> I am still mad that Nauiscaa destroyed the black crypt of Shuwa.

Great, the new world will just be populated by dust and plants I guess? That sounds good.

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>>54959397
it would probably shake up their culture a lot, but if Eywa decided to change focus so drastically there is little the na'vi can do about it.
And if they lose the war against whatever aliens they are fighting they can at least say they went down with a fight.

Makes you think how Pandora and the na'vi would look in your average space opera. Would it be a quite backwater only notable for it's connected ecosystem with the na'vi having a reputation of being a exotic savage species seldom spotted outside Pandora. Or something else?

>>54948700
they wouldn't virus bomb.
such a verdant world would be to valuable as an again world.

>>54960548

Well yeah, virus bombing is a form of exterminatus aka last resort. I'm just pointing out how badly the navi are outmatched.

>>54955008
They did kill a lot of workers rather brutally.

>>54949892

Every second spent ranting is another second the Xeno is alive to try shit.

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I give the Navi a week to contest the lands surrounding the contested lands surrounding the drop site.
I give them about six months before the last stronghold of resistance is crushed and the few survivors scatter, their race now a shadow of what it was.

Seriously, humanity should never have lost the war with the Navi in the first place. It took a crapton of deliberately shitty decisions by their generals and a metric fuck ton of deus ex machina and railroading for them to win. Against the Imperium of man they have no chance.
(Imagine Hellhound squadrons in that environment. Go on, I know you want to)

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>>54957744
na'vi women are made for love

>>54950397
Stargate

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An entire planet's ecosystem bound to a single semi sentient consciousness?


Color me intrigued......

>>54957463
damn, that huntress is pretty hot. Imagine being a avatar-driver sent on a diplomatic mission to her clan and introducing her to big blue avatar cock

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>>54949530
Heres the image.

>>54949530
this is fucking stupid.

he is saying this to a species that is still in their primitive age.

Like we never had a primitive stage

>DURR CREATE SPACESHIPS ALREADY AND FUCK UP YOUR PLANET

god imperium fags are retarded

>>54964563
Honestly, this. It's perfect to be a gate world.
It even fits the narrative of having a different-yet-relatable population of aboriginal natives that have plot armor when it comes to fending off alien invaders, but won't necessarily take kindly to the presence of outsiders.

Literally the only problem is that it doesn't have an Earth atmosphere like most Stargate planets do.

>>54949530
it got them immortality...

>>54965535
>Tfw the Na'vi are just a Genestealer Cult in a later stage of development

>>54955209
Fun fact: the term "unobtainium" is mining jargon for any extremely rare/trace mineral you are looking for

>>54966191
>Send a MALP through.
>...
>What's it like?
>>Surprise, there's trees. Looks a like a jungle this time, though. Oh, atmosphere would be toxic to us.
>Ah well, too bad. Put it on the secondary list, we'll come back to it later, I guess. Shut it off and get ready to dial another in ten.

>>54966180
Anon, we literally built huge temples and complexes before developing agriculture or becoming sedentary, we covered everyfuckingthing we could with paintings, and we had spread all over the planet.

>>54955008
>Na'vi should have had some nefarious underbelly to their civilization

But you don't KNOW that they don't. You don't know how they lived. They could have been 10 times worse than fucking white people. It could have been a fucking horror show.

>>54959043
he looks like he is preparing for the fagpocalypse. Like he has a unicorn with rocket boosters on standby with dayglow roller skates and daisy duke jeans

>>54967033
He is gayer than a fucking shirtless indian in warpaint riding a motorcyle while wearing a fringe leather vest and feathers in his hair.

Gayer than a steroid abusing lesbian bulldog who wears a nazi cap, a corset, and a leather jacket that exposes the midriff. Gayer than the transexual riding bitch with a dragon dildo up his ass that vibrates everytime she revs the motor.

>>54967049
He looks gayer than a hairly legged drag queen with a five o clock shadow wearing a goldilox wig. You look gayer than a man wearing stocking and high heels outside the back of a chinese resuraunt offering blowjobs for used chinese food.

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>>54966996
the na'vi are white though.
They are honorable, defends their ethnostate and family, are just and fair, god(ess)fearing and open-minded but aren't afraid of defending themselves when they need to

>>54967033
>>54967049
>>54967059
>implying he wouldn't fuck your ass without even breaking a sweat

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How would you run a avatar RPG?
First off you would need to use some system that allows for both high-tech and low-tech type of play. GURPS is probably the obvious choice here.
The types of characters you can play would obviously be divided into na'vi, human and avatars that have different attributes. Na'vi and avatars being much taller, stronger and a bit more dexterous than humans, but the na'vi would have severe penalties at using any sort of technology if they haven't been instructed in how it works.
Humans would have a major edge in technology but are very frail compared to everything else and would rely on machines to keep them alive.
Avatars would be a mix between the two, being essentially humans in na'vi bodies. But of course they are just remote-controlling a body and often doesn't have the same experience a na'vi would have.
What else would have to be included to make a interesting role playing experience? And what plots could be used?

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100% pure cute

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>>54969054
yes she is, I want to fill Neytiri with my seed!

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>>54970267
>(BIG CHAP)
For you.

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>>54969951
oh right, might as well provide the link with a fuckload of Neytiri pictures to share the love for our azure goddess


https://mega.nz/#!MfhG2ShL!xH-TknQCiNNo3WIcW9ujsa8X7CF3-tmDe10Ge6hOuWs

>>54966789
>unobtainium
And element 115 was called ununpentium until it got an official name.

>>54966789
it's also a joke term in engineering professions describing a ideal fictional material that would be perfect for whatever application.

it's also interesting that there was no official name for the mineral, one would assume such a important mineral got a fancy name like "pandorium" or something, maybe the RDA kept it a secret or maybe it really wasn't that important

>>54950397
there are a variety of lesser known scifi settings that could casually conquer the imperium in a matter of hours or days

even among mainstream ones, the star wars empire, in the EU, is basically at the same tech level except they actually know how to manufacture things and have reliable warp travel. shit from B5 and whatnot also might be threatworthy

40k isnt that over the top in the actual tech department because 40k writers lack both sense of scale or consistency

>>54972439
Star Wars firepower is multiple orders of magnitude lower than 40k. Their only advantage [to be fair, its a big one] is fast, reliable FTL.

>>54972489
according to what fluff

extrapolations from the films, and some EU sources put heavy turbolasers in the tens of gigatons of firepower per shot, on a platform with no ammo limitations and a rapid rate of fire

if anything this puts it on the higher end of 40k guesstimates, with only the most wanky of fluff like 'single shots boiling away entire oceans' (from unknown weapons) putting the imperium higher. but since 40k never gives anything close to a hard answer and everything is written in propaganda-tinge, i thought i was being generous to 40k

>>54972572
>extrapolations from the films
Which are also vague in their own right, don't try to deny it.
>and some EU
I'm sorry anon but you can only use canon sources here.

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>>54972439
>there are a variety of lesser known scifi settings that could casually conquer the imperium in a matter of hours or days
Not if the Tallyman has anything to say about it.

>>54972604
asteroid vaporization is pretty vague. but the death star being able to destroy an entire planet and send its entire mass outward at escape velocity is more powerful than any technological feat the imperium has ever produced. and its still less vague than 99% of 40k fluff since it's at least visual rather than written recounts

the empire also, canonically, made a second, larger one, in only a few years

that's ignoring the idea of planetary shields that you can extrapolate exist since the rebels managed to smuggle one to hoth and were solidly legitimized in rogue one

>>54972709
>planetary shields
Which are in abundance in 40k as it is sited as one of the main reasons the Imperial Navy doesn't get involved.
>entire mass outward at escape velocity is more powerful than any technological feat the imperium has ever produced
The only thing comparable I can think of is the Nova cannon, which would assuredly accomplish the same feat albeit not as impressively, which I will note goes for the death star in general, the Imperium can do what it does if not as spectacularly. And even so the Blackstone fortresses and the planet killer exist, albeit not Imperium tech but sun but planet shatter weapons are nothing new and it is conceivable that the admech has some lying around.

>>54972834
ok so it sounds like were getting close to the same page

that 40k and the imperium are roughly on the same technological power level and close enough to evenly matched for it to be a hypothetically interesting war, rather than some mundane curbstomp like it would be against the culture or the downstreamers or xelee, or anything from dr who or the like

40k and star wars have too many unquantifiable aspects and lack solid data to compare the two, but both are pretty much peak technology for a conventional society, so why not make it more interesting and just call them equally matched enough to fight an actual war

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glug glug

>>54961900
I always got the idea that most of the mining was automated, or at least had very few workers on the ground. They do mention that the na'vi attacked a bulldozer once, but those seemed to be unmanned
The mercs really feared to go outside the mine however, since they were outmatched in a very hostile environment.

>>54972834
The big difference is that the admech can't just build another one if it gets destroyed.

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what if the RDA wasn't autistic and acticly provoked a conflict?
What if the na'vi and Eywa decided to work with the humans for mutual gain?
What could they accomplish?