Realistic art thread, tired of seeing WOW tier pauldrons

>>54940857
Why does a knight have a need for a tiny fencer who is no larger then a pistol tho? I thought it was realistic thread!

>>54941077
thats pretty badass , is that a painting?

>>54941022
And half his left leg is invisible; clearly magic. Not realistic!

>>54941214
No, it's one of the world's earliest colored photographs.

>>54941214

Yep, it's from a spanish painter called Augusto Ferrer-Dalmau.

Most of his paintings are about military stuff, old or modern.

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>>54941448

forgot pic

>>54941035
>Shoulderpads extend to enclose neck

How does he move his arms?

>>54941214
>thats pretty badass , is that a painting?
No, it's a .jpeg.

>>54941789
There he goes again with his dwarf-assistant knights! And a bunch of disjointed heads! Is this character creation screen wtf?

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Men of war were never as well dressed.

>>54941210
Gayest shit in this thread

>>54943298
You misspelled, I think you meamt 'best shit in this thread'.

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>>54940804

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>>54943680

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>>54943714

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>>54942963
that´s a big seal

>>54941481
U for real bruv?

I genuinely thought that painting was a period piece made at the time of the battle (or shortly after).
Learn something new every day.

Anybody got any good stuff depicting late 14th to mid 15th century?

>>54941077
>when a nigga says rapiers are only for dueling

>>54941022
Unarmed shenanigans, anon.

Besides that looks like the armour of something like a demi-lancer. He'd have been carrying a pair of pistols and a lance on horseback.

>>54943750
Dude on the left thinks the dude on the right farted, but it was actually mr. curly hair that did it.

>>54941789
Question: why were shields made concave like this (from the opponent's perspective)?

Is it to guide the sword thrust into the shield and not off the shield/into the gut of the wielder?

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>>54945982
Bingo. Check out the sword-catchers these assholes are using.

>>54943714
That's not Greek tho that's samnites. The text talks about them and says that the picrelated is closer to a typical samnite look circa 350 BC while there were more Greek-influenced outfits, though later on.

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>>54943298
>t. insecure faggot who can't battle along real men
Actual life and death warriors were flamboyant as fuck before the modern age of pussies like you scared that a little style will draw people's attention to how much you don't match up.

>>54941845
The pauldrons are jointed.

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>>54946041
Gotcha, thanks! The hook-spikes on those shields make sense in that way too. If your shield catches your opponent's weapon it won't move for a moment, which can be all you need to survive/kill them.

>>54946041
So was there a reason for the long shoes?

Anyone have a repository for some actual heraldry of knights? Wanna put some historical paintjobs on my 30k knights.

>>54946422
wappenwiki is a good source

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>>54940804
IRL armour can be a form of art too

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>>54946873

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>>54946891
realistic-ish

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>>54946422

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>>54946744

>"Fantasy armor doesn't have to make sense! It follows the Rule of Cool(tm)!"
>Fantasy armor
>Cooler than that

In what universe?

>>54943714
Wow that chest armor does fuck all. Blows will just glance off and hit the unprotected areas which also happen to be tons of vitals.

>>54942963
What's with the cross?

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>>54946961
back to the generic dudes

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Check it out, I'm made of Gold!
t. Henry VIII

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>>54946995

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>>54946978
it must have done something, because little squares and circles like that were all over the ancient world

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>>54947130

Get your filthy fucking fantasy out of my fantasy games Y O U C U C K

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>>54941035
>it's...
>SVEN, BABY

I need some great helmets, pls.

>>54946979
Many Mongol tribes were Christianized even before Genghis decided to rape the world.

>>54941210
Kek would run

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Apparently the Mapuche people tried to imitate the Spanish weapons and armor.

>>54946744

to be fair I get the impression that sets of armour like these were primarily for display/jousting/tournament purposes than actual warfare

>>54947993
>conquistador with a big steel hoplon

I'm confused.

>>54948234
>Primarily for display/jousting/tourney etc than actual warfare.

Some of them? Yes, absolutely. Many of them, even, but there was precedent for using those in battle.

By the time most of those fancy engraved or gilded suits started showing up was well into the high medieval era. They weren't your rank and file knight or soldier armor, they were lordly sets. They required resources and time to make, and they served to make their wearer very difficult to kill. Not only was most of this armor excellent protection physically, it was excellent protection socially. If you saw a man with fancy armor, you're better off to capture and ransom the dude, rather than kill him.

The broadcast of status like that served to say to rank and file soldiers what proper heraldry said to educated knights and their ilk: this dude is important, and has money, and will pay you (or your liege) for his life.

>>54946978
They're directly advancing from a post ice-age society of humans, buddy. Most of Europastan was still a bunch of dirty tribesmen living in wooden huts and shitting in ditches. That square was like advanced tech.

>>54947038
I really like this set, if the apocalypse ever comes I'm stealing it for sure.

>>54940804
Why are men in skirts so damn sexy?

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>>54940804
what is the name of helmet that the guy in the yellow circle is wearing? Were helmets like that ever worn in real life even?

yes. that's called a flat top helmet. they were popular during the first couple of crusades but went out of style because the flatness on the top meant that solid hits could damage the skull through shock

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>>54949863
>No.54949863
yes. that's called a flat top helmet. they were popular during the first couple of crusades but went out of style because the flatness on the top meant that solid hits could damage the skull through shock

>>54948027
That actually looks really cool

>>54945862
Are those rapiers? the blade is pretty thick

the hilt and guard definitely look like rapier but the blade says otherwise.

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>>54951273
I'd say rapier. The width of blades seen varies a lot, and if you try to split those swords seen there off to be something other than a rapier, then you're drawing a very arbitrary line in a decently fat part of the bell curve. Usually it seems to come down to the idea that the rapier was this needle-slim, light and civilian weapon, meaning anything that doesn't fit this criteria has to be something else, whereas as far as I can tell the reality is that we don't see any real divide in the swords they had back then between a rapier group and an "the other ones" group, we just see one big pile with outliers in various directions. We could perhaps do a rapier/sword split with some of the late cup hilts as they seem to go for either extremely thin or decidedly wide, that seems to be about it, and even there I may simply not have seen enough of the in-betweens so I'd be cautious about it.

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Anyone have any naval armor/uniforms?

>>54946230
fashion

>>54941210
>despair

But also an erection

>>54942583
I saw this painting at the metropolitan and it was quite something.

>>54947130
>dark ages
>clearly a celtiberian from antiquity

I want /tg/ to actually learn history for once.

>>54948027
The Mapuche did loot and copy the Spanish invaders successfully, they even had their own tercios and maybe cavalry. One of the few native peoples that successfully defeated the Spanish in field battles. Sadly they were defeated once the surrounding Latin states got machine guns.

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>>54951403
Byzantine seamen.

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Some of you mind answering this?

>would an Obi (the sash that holds the katana in pic related) be useful for a knight?

I'm mixing a bit of both elements here, so I thought that Obi might be useful to hold something like a small pick or axe, also I don't think it would flop around that much, also did sheated swords flop around that much? I want them to be more still.

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>>54951744
>so I thought that Obi might be useful to hold something like a small pick or axe
You could use it for that, but then again, you could just use a belt. A number of warhammers, battleaxes and the like have bet hooks/clips.

> also I don't think it would flop around that much, also did sheated swords flop around that much?
Probably not to a terrible degree in general, though it should depend quite a bit on the exact suspension style.

https://youtu.be/n4CrDqRGo5Y?t=3m32s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHwO0oqt63w

>>54948445

These are called Sword and Buckler or "Rodeleros". They formed the bulk of Spanish soldiers along with the pikemen for a while, somewhat inspired by the Roman Legions, but were in time completely supplanted by the later.

>>54951790

Well, a belt is an valid alternative, but I am asking if it would be a good alternative. Also, thanks for the video, now I know why the scabbard I had used flop like a flaccid cock.

Realistically speaking, what would be the real cost of Crossbows, Bows, Firearms compared to each other?

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>>54951945

>>54951985

So, if I read it correctly, matchlocks should cost more or less the same as a crossbow?

>>54952006
it's more expensive as crossbows are around 48 groschen and the proto arquebus starts at 60

Also obviously that's only true for one specific city in one specific period of time. Economy changes greatly around that time.

also here is another little help, although without bows and crossbows
http://www.luminarium.org/medlit/medprice.htm

>>54943680
>Alamannii
>Has a Suebian knot

I'm aware that there is some overlap but this is legit the first time I've seen this relation.

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>>54951845
The shield of the rodelero (also seen in Marozzo's manual, and here's one found up in Sweden) is a rather bigger thing than a buckler.

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>>54952041
I'm not an expert on early Germanic tribes but if something looks out of place or the illustration combines elements from two related but distinct cultures there is a decent chance the artist made it up.

>>54947023
Are the feet shaped like that to help the wearer stay on the saddle?

>>54952754
It's just a fashion thing, much like the long pointly sabatons of gothic armor.

>>54952804
long pointy sabatons are for the saddle. The bear foot stuff is for fashion (and it's comfy)

>>54952913
Weren't long pointy sabatons just mirroring long pointy shoes like here: >>54946041 ?

>>54952922
People occasionally rode on horses without wearing armour.

hungarian LARPfag is awesome. I just wanted to say thanks for all the historical information in so many threads

>>54944493
Wasn't most of military art created by people who weren't even alive when depicted battle took place?

>>54952948
From what I heard it was a purely fashion thing. What you really need for horseback riding is a heel, not a pointy shoe.

>>54951916
pls respond

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>>54952980
it is true if you aren't armoured, but the foot changes a few things. Anyway in some cases the pointy tip that was good for riding is removeable

>>54952949
actually KM shares way more relevant info than me.

>>54953137
Interesting. So you say, the whole pointy shoe thing came from this type of footwear being good for horse riding, then after the usual civilian fashion changed to prefer the "bear paw" type, the actual knight armor came to reflect it in turn?

>>54953218
I'm not entirely up to date on shoes so I don't know excatly when the heel became a thing but they made a big effort to make really pointy shabbatons which were then worn only on armours that are for riding on horseback, the on foot armours didn't really had it as far as I know, regardless if the user was a simple knight, a noble or the emperor.

Also the bearpaw shoes are in turn entirely an on foot thing, be it in armours or in regular shoes (And if I'm not mistaken it comes after the pointy shoes fashion trend)

What I don't know is where does pointy shoes in civilian trend comes from. Is it because it was good for horseriding OR armoured horseriding needed it so civilian fashion copied it? Fuck knows.

Also I can be wrong

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>>54948027
The Mapuche were insane.
>Armed with sten and wood weapons
>Get invaded by Spanish
>Copy their shit
>Fight on for 300 years

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also about armours copying civilian fashion: that happened all the time.

There are several examples of armours try to mimic actual cloths, but to go even further armour changes as the beauty ideal changes.
For a great deal of time the ideal man had the hourglass shape, then in late 16th it shifted to be slightly or actually being fat. We see a fuckton of cloths and fashions that puts a great deal of effort into make you look fat. Around that time peascod armour which does similar things became a thing too (and there are several doublets that look similar to the peascod stlye so there is that)

>>54953336
Really, thats fucking bizarre, I've always thought the opposite. also, why do people chose pointy shoes over bear foot? point shoes sound like it would be a mess to walk on, especially over stairs.

>>54953359
why do girls use high heeled shoes? Fashion. (and it makes them taller and stuff like that but whatever, still it's far from comfortable or so am I told)

Also bear foot came after pointy shoes. so it was an improvement.
Also not all shoe were pointy, in some cities there were rules how pointy your shoes can be. very pointy were only allowed for nobles and such.

>>54953416
It just that I can't help but feel that it would bitch to walk on that, especially if you were dismounted.

Well, about high hells, its a matter of getting used to it, i could run in them back in the day.

>>54953475
I guess it's the same with pointy shoes, you can get used to it

>>54953510

If you ever wore a gothic suit or know someone who did wore it, tellme: how do you avoid having having the "beak" hit the ground and cause you to trip? it would make sense if the waspointed somewhat upwards, but its not.

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>>54953526
well, the ones that you used on foot weren't that pointy so it's a none issue. For those that are riding, you euther removed it like here >>54953137 or I presume raised your foot more when walking

>>54953336
Yeah, if you know your male fashion in cloth here, then you'll often be able to date armour with great accuracy even if you know basically nothing about it, and vice versa.

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I will now post spiky armour and large pauldrons

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>>54953613

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>>54953623

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>>54953649

>>54953632
Do we have more fully enclosed armors or just that one?

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>>54953697
I'll look.
I dont have any tags in my files though so searching is slow

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>>54953746

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>>54953762
>54953762

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>>54953776

>>54953781

Yep, thats the one, the only truly fully enclosed armor I know so far, did the other kings didn't spent as much in their armors?

>>54953796
>HA! YOU STILL CARRY SHIELDS WITH YOUR ARM?
>YOU ARE A PANSY MAN. REAL MEN CARRY SHIELDS WITH THEIR CROTCH

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>>54953803
Kings, and any other nobility too, would tend to see themselves as cavalrymen first and foremost. Their armour was made accordingly. For things like tournament fighting on foot, tonlets would cover things quite well, possibly with some advantage as well. Fashion, better movement, dunno. The need for such armour may also be somewhat limited, your arse should generally be out of harms way even when dismounted.

>>54953848
I undestand that, but i was speaking more in terms of the technology, everyone wanks to edward 8th (i think)'s armor because it fully covers the whole body (bar the inner hands), so it made wonder if any other king tried something similar.

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>>54953811
what is this?
Armour for aliens?

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>>54953910
The current day infatuation with Eddie Eight's unfinished suit is probably mostly a matter of people noticing a feature there that they've never seen on any other harness. So they get a codpiece-shaped peg to hang it on in their memories. Between armour covering everything being something that can seem very good to anyone, and the articulation of it all clearly being quite an accomplishment, we then get to the hype stage, especially when it's begin perceived as unique.

Now while it appears to have been rare, it obviously isn't unique. I don't know who the two suits I just posted were made for, probably someone with pretty deep pockets, but nothing beyond that.

>>54946042
Thank you for the heads up, can't really read Chernobylese

>>54952041
>>54952418
Aleman = all men: they were a confederation of Germanic tribes. Good chance some Suebians ended up in that mix. Or at least a cousin-tribe who borrowed the tradition

>>54947179
>wavy shield.jpg
is that supposed to be vair ancien or nebuly?

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>>54946857
THRAYSHUN WUHYAHZ!!!

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>>54941210
some nutcase modded those into mount & blade

>>54953997
>unfinished
You gotta be shittin' me! No way its unfinished, what else that they could've added? a medieval jetpack or something?

Lemme guess, it was probably a pimped out sword or something right?

>>54953623
>Hey, Chauchu! The Mongols are coming!
>Do not of worrying, Luoravetlan. I have handled. Put this on.

Crazy shit

>>54954111
yeah, but it is so brilliant! How can they shoot you in the back now? protip:they cant!

>>54954081
the unfinished one isn't that one on that pic. Also Henry had a fuckton unfinished armour. Or to be more precise his royal armourer made a fuckton

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>>54954081
The harness is functionally finished, but lacks any form of decoration, which sure as hell won't fly with someone like Edward VIII. It had been commissioned so he'd have a new, state of the art harness to wear for the dismounted part of the upcoming tournament at the Field of the Cloth of Gold, but a change/clarification of the rules specifically banning locking gauntlets put an end to that. So work on the harness ceased with it still black from the forge. That it's as shiny as it is now is due to latter cleaning and polishing.

Instead an entirely new harness was commissioned instead (simply replacing the gauntlets was apparently not to Henry's taste), this one.

>>54946979
Nestorian christianity was spreading all throughout the asian steppes and converted a sizable minority of the population before later being smothered by both islam and budhism, depending on the region. I think a number of Khans had nestorian wives, though i think most of them were either Tengri ( religion of most steppe nomads including mongols, all varieties of turk peoples, early bulgarians, early magyars(hungarian ancestors), etc before conversion by one of the large religions) or buddhist.

The cross you see is the typical nestorian cross.

>>54954302
I heard that the change of rules was because he had some arguemnt with the king of france about his brand new gauntlet Henry didn't wanted to tell the secret behind it, hence banning it.
That might been urban legend but it's as good of a headcanon as any

>>54954302
>>54954245
I see, the more I know about him, mr Edwards sounded petty as fuck, which is weird since he was basically a pimp. Anyway, thanks for the info guys.
>>54954407
This sounds like soap opera level drama, its good enough for me.

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>>54954407
Well, I'd at least consider it plausible that Henry's goal here was to style on everyone attending with his new, high tech gauntlets (both in just showing everyone that he had them, and also hoping to gain a substantial advantage in the tournament with with), while the French king on the other hand most definitely did not want this to happen, and thus banned them with or without first trying to get some for himself.

>>54953336
>For a great deal of time the ideal man had the hourglass shape
People had their shit together back then, I tell you what

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>>54954445
>I see, the more I know about him, mr Edwards sounded petty as fuck

Divorced, beheaded, died
divorced, beheaded, survived.

One theory I've seen is that the not so benign temperament of Edward VIII, as well as some prominent figures at the time ("The Plantagenet temperament" in England, Gustav Vasa, his sons and at least one grandson here in Sweden) may to a large degree have been because tournaments were such a big thing back then. Plenty of hard blows to the head raises a young man to be more a man of war than a man of compassion, as the bits of your brain that take care of empathy and impulse control are the bits that suffer the most here.

>>54954622
now thats just sad, a king being stripped of his empathy, reminds me of that bit from sotn, when dracula quotes the bible.

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>>54951403
Dressed in armor.

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>>54954445
well he was petty but he and his biggest pal Maximilan I. the emperor of the holy roman empire considered themselves the last true knights.
They sometimes sent practical joke presents to each other

Aren't we talking about Henry VIII?

Edward VIII didn't wear much armor, though he did care a lot about fashion.

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>>54955410
>Aren't we talking about Henry VIII?

Yes.

In my defence, I'm half knocked out by a cold at the moment.

>>54955446
I'm assuming time has worn most of the gold gilt on this

>>54953835
my first thought, too, but thats a saddle.

>>54953911
Armour for children.

>>54959125
>Ah, now that I have my expensive armor on, it's time to go job to a bunch of Poles, pagans, and Muslims!

>>54940804
What's wrong with little spikes on armor?

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>>54959634
It show that the armour is designed to look cool rather than functional, because, let's face it, the vast majority of the time you won't be fighting, but wearing or handling/transporting your armour. In that case, those spikes will figuratively be the bane of your existence, as you constantly have to watch out not to puncture literally everything around it (including yourself during maintenance or whatever).

Also, armour is designed to let blows glance off if possible, as the blunt impact will still at least annoy the wearer, and might impede movement (essentially being pushed around). Also, for lances and the like, the blunt trauma may still be enough to kill or temporarily incapacitate the wearer (at least enough to be finished off while dazed). In that case, the spikes will essentially add as blow catchers (think shelltraps on tanks).
Of course, this is all assuming you manage to design your porcupine armour in such a way that the spikes never get in the way of movement.
That said, there were probably some outliers who added some spikes anyway, but I'd wager that it was nowhere near as bad as some fantasy armours.

tl;dr; because spikes tend to be wildly impractical and be more of a nuisance.

>>54942963
Any more Central/East asian stuff? Most of these threads are almost excluisvely Late Medieval and Early Modern examples.

>>54960462
>female in armor
>realistic

>>54961687
>You with brains
>Realistic

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I fucking love this thread dude, I'll dump what I have

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>>54951273
Rapiers aren't as thin as people imagine.

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>>54949669
I'm the exact same height as Henry VIII so it'd fit me perfectly and I want it so you'll have to fight me and my mutant warband for it.

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>>54951916
As a larper, take what I say with a grain of salt, but I use an Japanese-style obi when fighting to hold multiple throwing axes and a straight sword and dagger and it works great.

>>54961733
>Realism
>Realistic

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>>54960523
do the puffy sleeves serve a purpose?

>>54963578
They increase the surface area allowing more light to be absorbed from photosynthesis

>>54946979
>What's with the cross?
Hulagui's wife was christian.
>>54947823
>Many Mongol tribes were Christianized
Uyghurs, not mongols and they were mostly Manichaeans.

Semi off topic question, in an episode of game of thrones they mention putting leather over the breastplates because winter. Was there a real practice of putting leather over armor during cold seasons? Something to do with preventing metal freezing or something? An extra layer for warmth?

>>54946948
Raymond VI the "little old lady of war"

>>54953911
>>54958459
It's armour leaving plenty of room for padding around the head. Somewhat akin to the great helm in-that respect, but the round shape makes it more apparent here I guess. I suspect it's a tournament armour thing.

>>54963578
Fashion. They show people that you're rich and successful enough to afford a lot of fabric.

>>54967054
I've never heard of anything like that. I doubt it'd do all that much good in the end as well, a single layer of leather doesn't provide much insulation, it isn't something you see a lot of in cold weather gear modern or ancient.

>>54961687
>female in armor
who said anything about female? IIRC we've established itt that hourglass figure was "in" for men; as were high heels, actually designed for nobleMEN.

>>54967054
It can pretty much be fixed by using a surcoat of wool

>>54946102
Being flamboyant as fuck is fine when the enemy actually has to be withing a few hundred metres and standing in broad daylight to stand a solid chance at killing you.

>>54965439
> Uyghurs, not mongols and they were mostly Manichaeans.

No, Mongols too. Nestorianism actually briefly shared the steppe with Manicheaism, but the Uyghurs got BTFO'd centuries before Ghenghis, and Nestorianism survived as a significant religion in Central Asia pretty much until the time of Timur.

>>54941035
Weak bait my dude

>>54940804
Somebody needs to make a version of this but regarding realistic and over the top fantasy armour. Up to you to decide which.

Image limit reached I was posting the virgin walk

>>54954077
The mod doesn't work, sadly.

>>54960462
>dual weilding
Fuck off

>>54967316

Note that landsknecht, and many mercenaries, just picked whatever they could get from the field and mixed the fabrics and sow them together. This is one of the reasons why they were so colourful.

>>54960523
>this kills the knight

>>54951273
Espada ropera, which is a rapier, yeah.

>>54946145
>That spear
Dorne is white!

>>54952103
Buckler translation in Spain is supposedly Rodela, but rodelas are bigger than every buckler I ever saw, they also are held different.

>>54971012
>rodela
>rondelle
Hon hon hon

>>54947075
The dudes on the far left and right are fuckin stylin.

Any art of british soldiers? And what differences were there between the english, welsh, scots, and irish?

>>54971226
Image cap has been reached, and it really depends on what time period we are talking about.

>>54953811
>giving a child a bulging codpiece

>>54962022
What kind of armor is the one on the left wearing?

>>54941022
Main use would've been to stab or threaten beaten opponent. (Yield or die) Knights were valuable prisoners worth of ransome

>>54958372
Too late, am already making plans to make crotch shield.

>>54967316
>>54967547
Thanks.
I was doubtful having never heard of anything like that but I'm also not very familiar with the northern traditions.

>>54971554
>not protecting your offsprings future offspring
Do you want your dynasty to die out, mum, do you? Let me wear my codpiece, mum!

>>54973762
you can basically just look at what the scandis and russians did.
if THE NORTH is SO cold that the steel is actually getting damaged...well then leather would have broken a long time ago

>>54962131
Bring it on, mutie scum.

>>54947166
William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, loyal retainer of 5 kings of England

>>54976664
Also a tournament nut famous for fucking up anyone and everyone.

>>54976696
Guys one of my favourite historical figures, he lived an incredibly storied life

>>54960445
>we are legion xdxdxdxdxdxd

Fucking reddit helmet

>>54977045
To bad they were real

>>54972992
Boiled leather, aka cuir bouilli.

>>54953781
>never talk to me or my lord's son ever again

>>54962317
this one looks like trash what wtf