Why are Napoleonic-era settings so rare? You can't walk

that's some sexy fetish art

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>>54908284
Aren't your standard pirate settings Napoleonic ?

>>54908284
What is it? The Rose of Versailles bad end?

>>54908284
>medieval period

1000 years

>Renaissance

300ish years

>Victorian period

63 years

>Napoleonic Wars

12 years

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>>54908284
Because Napoleon is a very specific time period of about twenty years. There's always colonial gothic and Crimean War that you could potentially add on to a Napeolonic setting because they are at least similar on a surface level, but generally you don't see much about the Napoleonic Wars other than historical military fiction because it's an incredibly specific time period with the specific interest of wars and battles, not much about myth or daily life.

There's also the whole issue of defining what "Napoleonic" is. Do you mean the general spirit of the times, the environments, the battles, the technology, Napoleon himself, what exactly does specifying it as Napoleonic mean as opposed to "turn of the 19th century"?

>>54908284
The fact you are underexposed to something doesn't make it rare

>>54908390
Kill yourself

>>54908423
/thread

>>54908284
Limited time period as people already pointed out, but also its when centralized authority and modernism really got it together enough that independent adventuring (the staple of most rpgs) is harder to do.

>>54908390
Mostly they predate Napoleonic era by several decades/half a century, some times even a whole century or two.

But my guess is that OP wants to play a game set in Napoleonic era land.
I suppose folks couldn't make one because it would be more technology intensive than magic intensive.
Also battles would either be fencing duels, pistol duels, stand downs with guns that would end poorly for the one in less cover and who doesn't hit his opponent.
Also any and all larger battles would be waged by large formations of rifle infantry and fights with monsters would fall into following categories.
>PCs used a cannon to kill a single big enemy
>PCs used some hired arms and their own guns to take down a small horde of enemies in a blink of an eye
>PCs fought with swords with some enemies and this battle took the longest out of these all

So, my uneducated guess is that Napoleonic era games would end up being rather boring, either sticking to time period realism and thus being less fantasy or integrating magic and such in it and then it is regular medieval fantasy with less armor, more guns and sillier hats.

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>>54908423
>World War II

6 years

>>54908527
>Modern day

<1 year

>>54908423
By that logic, wouldn't sci-fi be the most common, as it's a theoretical infinite years?

>>54908284

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53007202/#53007202

>>54908284
Because the good guys lost in the end

>>54908786
The real reason.

>>54908284
boring and shit aesthetic desu

op pic is only good because of creamy white tits

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>>54909016
Can you imagine actually having such shit taste as this Anon?

>>54910226
No thank god. Clearly is possible, but it's utterly incomprehensible to me.

What is the difference between victorian and napoleonic? Didnt both live in the 1800s?

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>>54910274

>>54910274
A lot of things happened in the 19th century anon. A bit like how WW1 and the Cold War both happened in the same century but they were really quite different.

>>54908284
>Why are Napoleonic-era settings so rare?

Because people are unwilling to think in terms of the long 18th century to open up the volume of things to work with.

More importantly it is hard to not make the game play of a political bent. The period is defined by strong passions and stronger wills. People fought not just because their leaders forced them to but because they believed in what they were fighting for.

>>54908527
A lot of the things set in WWII are really set in the year right it starts. I would say the Spanish civil is a good starting point of it. So it is really more like 9 years.

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>>54908284
Because nobody cares. No, really, if game makers cared, they'd make the settings, and if the fans cared, there'd be a strong enough draw to have those settings be made, but neither one of those things is there.

And there's also the possibility that the Napoleonic era isn't seen as...fictional? Think about it, it's mostly in the realm of historical miniatures, but Medieval and Victorian settings are usually wrapped up in fantasy and steampunk as you mentioned. There's no fantasy twist to make lines of muskets and bright uniforms more interesting to the average joe, no grand stories of heroes or renegades that aren't straight from a history textbook.

>>54910274
>What is the difference between the 90s and WW1? Didn't both happen in the 1900s?

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The Powder Mage trilogy is fantasy along these lines. Powder Mages themselves being mages who use gunpowder as a reagent for their sorcery and have a level of supernatural control over it (sniffing it like cocaine/snuff to enhance their senses, transferring the energy of a shot elsewhere to stop a gun from firing, guiding their bullets, etc.)

>>54910751
>But Medieval and Victorian settings are usually wrapped up in fantasy and steampunk as you mentioned.
The problem with the Victorian era is that it's literally all steampunk. Not even steampunk as an aesthetic, but steampunk as a "setting" ie. cogfop.

It's shit. SHIIIIIIIT.

>>54908284
>>54910751
I think a big problem is that people of the 'Napoleonic Period' and all they think of the is military history, which really doesn't do the turn of the 19th century justice. You've got the French Revolution, the Reign of Terror, the culmination of the enlightenment philosophy, the collapse of feudal Europe and the beginning of the industrial revolution. Hell, even military history is just shortened to big lines of men shooting muskets at each other. What about the Guerrilla War in Vendee against French Catholics? What about the Battle of the Pyramids or French puppet states in Italy and Germany and their civil wars?

People are thinking too small.

>>54908614
Isn't it?

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>>54910891
Not really. I haven't done a headcount but I'm tempted to say Gothic horror settings are a more common take on Victorian themes than steampunk.

>>54910947
Okay, keeping all that in mind - that there's more to history than what people simplify it to - what is interesting there for a setting?

Even when you shorten the Middle Ages to 'knights and dirty peasants,' you can still get a barebones fantasy setting, or King Arthur, or something out of that. What are you really getting that's interesting for a setting out of the Napoleonic period? It's not 'punk,' which is usually when things are shitty and there are rebellious undertones, usually you can't throw in magic since that goes against the logic associated with the Enlightenment. What's really there?

>>54908527
>A conflict that involved more Nations and every continuing on Earth is more popular than some manlet riding through Europe a couple of times

Yes.

>>54908390
>54908498

>american education

The great age of carribean pirates ended in 1710s at most, probably 1700s.Blackbeard's end was just the nail on the coffin.

Napoleonic shit is great in wargaming circles, and for obvious reasons. Not much "adventuring" possible in that era- you'd be way better during the Revolution itself.

>unless you are some of haitian slaves revolting, I guess - shit is the very definition of grimndark and hopeless

And yes, it doesn't realy a definite "aesthetic". Baroque itself is way better in this regard.

If anything one would expect there to be a Aubrey/Maturin rpg, considering the relative freedom and "adventurous" navy way. But thing about that, what would you really do as a group? The carpenter doing carpentry all day, with maybe a battle in which all the players as officials command a gun squad?

>>54908786

Mon nègre!

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>>54911154
>what is interesting there for a setting?
Not him, but it's stupidly easy.
>An age of rapid technological and political advance
>An age of turmoil where birth means nothing and talent means everything
>An age of liberalism beset by the spectres of the Ancien Régime on all sides
There's more than enough for a small group of gunhobos to do all kinds of crazy skirmish shit. And if you're running out of ideas, you could always do the whole "medieval fantasy but with muskets" thing.

I think there's this French RPG called Khaos 1795 that takes place during the Reign of Terror, except the Supreme Being is actually some kind of Eldritch horror. Also, let's get one thing straight here: the Cult of the Supreme Being is literally the only thing Robespierre did wrong.

>>54911162
I can't tell whether you're a butthurt Brit who ironically believes that, or an ignorant American who unironically believes that. You do realize that the Revolutionary Wars set the stage for the entire 19th and early 20th centuries in both political and ideological terms, right?

>>54911162

>napoleonic wars

>not on every continent

I'll give you that no one landed on Antartica to search for some lost naval bases, but it's stil more "world" than ww2 which saw no action in southern america.

>>54908340

Boobplate is really the worst magical realm there is

>>54911353

No it's not, it's ornamental, same as having sculpted abs in your armor.
Depending on how its used, it can make the setting feel even more authentic.

>>54910835
>Powder Mages themselves being mages who use gunpowder as a reagent for their sorcery and have a level of supernatural control over it (sniffing it like cocaine/snuff to enhance their sense
That sounds retarded

>>54911249
Wasn't what was going on in South America a series of separate revolutions and rebellions?

>>54911353
Boobplate is a lesser evil. Still not authentic, but loads better than chain bikinis or all the other ways to show off curves and avoid being restricted by armor - while still getting all the protection, of course.

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>>54911015
Is Bloodborne Victorian? I hear it a lot, but it takes inspiration from shit like the Brotherhood of the Wolf, which was set decades prior to the French Revolution.

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Would anybody be down for getting together to brainstorm a setting like this on discord or something? I've been thinking of just weighing in and homebrewing a big old Colonial/Napoleonic-era high fantasy setting for a while. Steal the trappings of the era, the strategy, the fashions, the social mores, the technology, etc, and introduce it to your standard high fantasy universe, see what we come up with. Could be something interesting.

>>54911641

Make a server and they shall come.

>>54911600
People say Victorian because of the big, dark, gothic-horror sort of city the game takes place in and some of the fashion in it. Sort of has the aesthetic of the horror writing of the time.

Fun fact: Napoleon was of average height. The belief that he was small was the result of a conversion error between the English foot, which was twelve inches, and the 13-inch French foot, which unaccounted for chops a full head off his reported height.

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>>54911641
>>54911654
Hell, why not.
https://discord.gg/UuCvP
Those who want in, hop in.

>>54911691
It didn't help he surrounded himself with giants.

>>54911530

That exactly. Excpet they weren't separate at all, they were triggered by Spain getting rekt.

>>54911504

You do realize that lorica musculata was NOT sculpted around the user's chest mucles, and that the problem with having protruding armor would be pretty obvious?

>>54911663
But Gothic horror dates back to 18th century and takes its inspiration from Gothic style with things like Frankenstein and Dracula living in old castles and such. Bloodborne seems almost pre-Industrial Revolution, where technological marvels are invented by individuals in workshops. There's no indications of heavy industrialization. A major Victorian city would surely have factories and housing for workers.

>>54910274
Napoleonic
>Great political changes
>Death of the old regime
>War, war, war
>French dominance
>Austria as a great centeal power
>Napoleonic warfare
>Colonialism isn't so much the hot shit now

Victorian
>Great economic changes
>Birth of industrialism
>War, but not so much
>Anglo dominance
>New central powers
>The massed infantry lines + cavalry are improved but still similar to napoleonic and you even have the maxim near the end of this era
>New nations in general, and a new colonialist drive

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>>54908284
>Why are Napoleonic-era settings so rare?

I don't know much about that time period not have I consumed much media set in that time.

When I think about Napolenic era what usually jumps to mind are

-large armies clashing in europe
-ships of the line ripping eachohter apart at the battle of the nile
-the french army suffering in Russia
-waterloo

All of these involve large organized regimented groups of people doing things and many individuals dying to disease, exposure, over exertion, malnutrition, and combat.

Such things do not generally lend themselves to player or player character agency.

I know there's more to the Napoleonic era then that, and that some of those may be good fits for a game, but I lack exposure to those things.

I'm guessing this is true for a lot of other people.

>>54911756
Sure, but they still weren't part of the Napoleonic war - they were their own thing. It'd be like saying the War of 1812 was part of the Napoleonic Wars.

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>>54911756

Do you realize that the point of ornamental armor is to look good and not actually be defensive since the person wearing it wouldn't be going into battle anyway?

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You could always do fantastic voyage like Gulliver's Travels or Baron Munchausen stuff.

>>54911520
never heard of Brown Brown?

>>54911759
Oh and in the new world:

Napoleonic
>USA is basically recently out of the independence/1812 wars

Victorian
>USA could be in the Civil War or you could have shit like the goddamn wild west

>>54911691
Meh, it was more so because everyone hated him and wanted to make fun of him. It really started with political cartoons in Britain.

>>54910947

Urge to unite Italy or Germany early is rising.

>>54911793
>>54911212
>>>54911756

>You do realise X, right?
/tg/ jfc you really need to stop doing this. It's the new "UH AKCHUALLY" but with even more smug, wankish vibes to it. It makes you seem like a pack of intellectual narcissists. Which, to be fair, you probably are, but don't make it so fucking easy to spot.

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>>54911789
I keep forgetting it was Napoleon who sold us enough land to more than double the size of our country.

>>54911846

Ain't nothing wrong with UH AKCHUALLY if the person is "akctually" correct.
The truth is far more important than pleasant sounding words.

>>54908284
I think it's because people view it as too organized and not "personal" enough. But I feel you could argue this over any time period.

Fantasy is all about imagination. There is nothing wrong taking a Napoleonic setting and spinning it a bit to add legendary creatures, magic, period-incorrect tech (crappy tanks, maybe).

Cavalry was huge during this time. Would be kinda cool to do a Quest for the Holy Grail kinda RPG during the napoleonic wars. Cuirassiers would be the knights questing.

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>>54911756
Well....who says that boobplate is sculpted around the user's breasts? Why can't they be an aesthetic choice as well?

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You aren't trying hard enough.

>>54911882
grats bro you managed to sound even more like an arrogant tard

>>54911789

It's like saying the second sino-japanese war isn't part of ww2 to me.

>>54911775

Eyup.

To be fair I think as hobby RPGs are TERRIBLY lacking in actual war settings, but still, yeah, it's pretty bad period for a band of heroes (or muderhobos) being indipendent and relevant.

I would LOVE for a Conan O' Brien RPG to exist but I can't imagine even that.
>>54911908

In OP's case, it is.

>>54908284
Every Age of Sail story or setting that isn't about pirates ends up in Napoleonic territory, and some that are still do.
I blame Horatio Hornblower.

>>54911939
Nothing tried harder than this movie!
nyuck nyuck nyuck

>>54911015
>>54911600
>>54911663
>>54911757
Bloodborne definitely has some Victorian aspects, but overall it might be more accurately described as being Georgian influenced than anything

>>54911943

Who gives a shit, this isn't a rhetoric competition, it's a discussion, I assume that most people here actually listen that what's being said rather than how it's being said.
There is a very important distinction.

>>54911882
There are ways to convey the truth without making yourself sound insecure and unintelligent. They even work better.

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>>54911958

You can play as anything other than infantry of line. Napoleonic skirmishers, scouts, sharpshooters, like Jägers and the like were fought in open formations. Some of them even had rifles (slower to reload but more accurate) instead of flintlock muskets characteristics of line infantry.

>>54912000
>some Victorian aspects

Like what? Genuinely curious.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzSoKOs1fc

>>54911730
>>54911641
Will absolutely join if you can guarantee you're not going to use Orcs as a pastiche of Africans or Native Americans or something unforgivably lazy like that.

>>54909016
>creamy white tits

They're hidden under armor, how can you even tell?

>>54912041
They even had spec ops at the time. Would be cool to do something like that.

>>54909016
Disgusting weaboo, rococo aesthetics are rad

>>54912074
What if the orcs are russian or german?
What if the orcs are french?

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>>54911925

In the novel isn't he fighting with us Burgerbros? Someone told me they changed it to sell better here in The States.

>>54910835
Isn't that being adapted into a Savage Worlds setting too?

>>54911882
KEK HE JUST UH AKCHUALLY'D IN RESPONSE

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>>54908284
Because playing games in the French Revolution and the rule of the Directorate are intensely more interesting, duh.

Git guillotine.

>>54912120

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9__6m6iOodw

>tfw no 7th Sea group

Isn't the 18th century when Frankenstein (novel) takes place?

>>54911958
Well, technically it wasn't until Japan got involved in the wider World War. If the war had stayed only between China and Japan, it would be unfair to call it a part of WW2.

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>>54911958
>I would LOVE for a Conan O' Brien RPG to exist
>Conan O' Brien

>>54911730

Says the invite expired.

>>54912041

It's not really the line, it's the freedom that one more less can think SOME units in ww2 enjoy (if that's the word).

>>54912098

>rococo

>THAT

>>54912101

Yep, but that's kind of a strange case. In most novels of course they fiight the french (or close allies at most, like the spanish).
In some, like At Far Side of the World they fight the dirty colonials (in another one before they got rekt and imprisoned, even) and theoretically this is the one that inspired the movie the most: a long race against the elements to catch them up in the Pacific.

In truth the movie doesn't have basically anything of the plot ot that one tough, even if it is the only one (i think) with a similar chase. It's even a little odd in the series, featuring less combat, more becalment, problematic crews, natives and even -gasp!- woman on board for the whole book.
I think they conflated that with at least two other books (possibly Desolation Island? Can't remember). The plot isn't there, but the spirit pretty much is.

>Maturin best spy ever, anyway. Bond my fucking ass.

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Why not play as a mercenary from an early Megacorp like the Honourable East India Company?

>>54908601
>Modern Day
>1 Day

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Mmh, OK this is early 20th century (1823), not many years after the Napoleonic wars (1803-1815), but I'm sure you could borrow some elements.

In general, anything that has to do with exploration and ventures into uncharted territories should to the trick for virtually any setting. Just add magic, mysticism, mystery and monsters instead of just bears.

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>>54912466
>early 20th century (1823)

>>54912485

Ups. I meant 19th. Fuck me.

>>54912466

Fuck you, that bear should've won the oscar instead.

More seriously, a survival RPG a là The Long Dark would be sweet, but it's napoleonic as much as the Toltecs are high middle ages.

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>He doesn't want to do a bayonet charge.

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It's time for duelling for something inconsequential and stupid like "I don't like the colour of your rooms".

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>>54910835
That sounds really neat. Like, really really neat

>>54911520
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>54908527
14 years really. A lot of people measure it to 1931 and Japan's invasion of Manchuria.

>>54911730
links expired m8

>>54912769
https://discord.gg/rjTU8wD

>>54911520
Give it a try, anon, it's fairly well mapped out.

Books also have Ka-Poel, who is waifu tier.

>>54908284
Yeah fuck this stupid fetish bait image

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>>54912560
Wheellocks are sexy, fight me.

>>54913018
She is best mute savage girl.

>>54911176
>The great age of carribean pirates ended in 1710s at most
It found a major resurgence going into the 1710s because the end of the War of Spanish Succession left a large number of privateers and navy men out of work, and many turned to full-fledged piracy.
Additionally the "triangle trade" routes saw a major boom, making Caribbean piracy truly worthwhile again. Previously the area was a bit too fucked for it to be much worthwhile, one of the reasons being the previous decades of rampant piracy having sapped much of the American Atlantic. Pirates had for a time switched focus onto plundering the Indian Ocean, and the East Indian Company.

Now, if we''re talking the peak of what makes the best fodder for romanticized tales of high adventure, there's also the much-romanticized Pirate Republic happening at this time, out of Nassau, though their base of operations was seized by the British in, IIRC, 1718.

>>54908284
Hi, Virt
Bye, Virt

>>54912046
well for one thing Gatling Guns exist in Yharnam

>>54913554

No, no.

What happend in 1718 was Blackbeard getting killed and basically ending it all. It ended pretty quickly and... kinda unromantically, altough some shit went on for less than a decade.

The war of spanish succession thing was about 1714 (first truces) but as you see the period after that meant even Nassau closed up soon.

The REAL shit went with the buccaneers.

>>54911212
where the fuck did you teleport that goalpost to?

>>54908431
>colonial gothic
Mmmmmm. Yes.

Steampunk is Napoleonic.

>>54908403
For the past couple months, some early modern era fan keeps posting this thread and that image. It was sourced to some Korean artist, and at this point it's tradition

>>54915360
Here's your long-awaited (You)

>>54913970
>Disproving the idea that the early 20th century was "some manlet riding around europe" is shifting the goalposts
Have a (you), you've earned it.

>>54911176
>Blackbeard's end was just the nail on the coffin.

Depends on how you're measuring it. The Golden Age of Piracy covers three separate major outburst of piracy. Blackbeard's run was during the last (the post-War of Spanish Succession) that ran from 1716 to 1726, but he died in 1718, just about two years into it.

Some definition of the "golden age" omit the first (1650 to 1680, the Buccaneering Period) and second (1690s, the Pirate Round), but all include at least some portion of the third.

>>54913802
Saying that it ended with Blackbeard would require roundly discounting some or all of the acts of:
- John "Calico Jack" Rackham, Anne Bonney, and Mary Read
- Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts (arguably the most successful Western pirate)
- Edward Low
- Edward England
- William Fly (who's death in 1726 traditionally marks the end of the Golden Age)

>>54910835
>>54912612
>>54911520
It's really, really shit. The main character is a tremendous mary sue, the villains are flat and retarded, and the plot is a nonsensical knot.

>>54908431

You could probably expand the time period by another ten-fifteen years forward if you look at not just the Napoleonic Wars but the English Regency at large - not just the actual regency but the cultural period from the 1790s to the late 1830s. There's enough political upheaval and adventure and war outside of the Napoleonic wars in that period that a decent adventure story could be made out of it.

So in short "Spirit of the times" encompasses a lot of it and makes it more than the Wars themselves.

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>no actual mention of Napoleonic period RPGs
There are two very cool ones, Duty & Honour and Beat to Quarters. The former is Sharpe, the latter Hornblower.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jocks3057t55m95/Beat+To+Quarters.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/isojzldxlu4pnk3/Duty+and+Honour.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/lkaxa3e906say32/Duty+and+Honour+-+1809+Miscellany.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6i1oslexq75rs2n/Duty+and+Honour+-+1810+Miscellany.pdf

FGU's old Privateers & Gentlemen RPG also covered the Age of Piracy from the 1600s up to the US war against the Barbary guys in the Napoleonic era, so it's worth inclusion too

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/85487akatmoew/Privateers_and_Gentlemen

There was a kind of Napoleonic-Fantasy system called Flintloque which might also be your thing.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/x9fbophupzpn3mp/Complete+Flintloque.pdf

>>54908284
I can't go into a single fantasy thread without someone crying about there not being any Napoleonic settings

>>54916632
not to mention it covers some interesting stuff in other parts of the world, especially in the New World

>>54911162
Among the things wrong with your post is the man let thing. For his time napoleon was about average sized.
The British press and propaganda called him little general because he got the job at a young age.

>>54908390

The Golden Age of Piracy ends in the 1750s and the Napoleonic Era starts in 1799.

>>54915966
>Napoleonic is mid-to-late 19th century
>Steampunk is mid-to-late 19th century
hrmmm

>>54908786

Well, maybe if he hadn't decided to take on the optional impossibly hard side-boss and concentrated on the real BBEG instead that wouldn't have happened.

>>54913640

ONE Gatling Gun, made by that mad gunpowder obesessed bastard in Old Yharnum, and another that only exists in the group dreamworld of a load of old dead hunters and a stillborn Elder God that may or may not have ever actually existed in real life as anything more than a diseased nightmare concept a Powderkeg Member came up with.

They DO however have a Big Ben style clock though.

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>>54908284

If you're looking for a fantasy angle, you can try incorporating fairy tales and traveller's tales of the period: The Nutcracker, Gulliver's Travels, Hans Christian Anderson, Brothers Grimm.

Some modern animations include napoleonic-era aesthetics, such as:
The Snow Queen
Mr Dough and the Egg Princess
Beauty and the Beast
The Munchkin parade uniforms in Wizard of Oz

This thread made me play Empire Total War for the past couple of hours.

>>54919369
>Hans Christian Anderson
>Anderson
>son

This upsets me.

>>54919455
Don't let it get you dane

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>>54918771
>Napoleonic is mid-to-late 19th century

>>54911520

He who controls the spice, controls the universe

>>54919479
When is it then, genius?

>>54919544
Not that anon, but the Napoleonic Era begins with the 18 Brumaire coup in 1799 and ends with Waterloo in 1815, thus making it very early 19th century.

>>54916469
For the love of fuck, learn what the term Mary Sue means before you use it.
As a hint, it doesn't mean character who is competent in their area of expertise.

>>54919544
Well, lets think about for a minute, Einstein. Napoleon rose to power in 1799 and was ousted in 1814 with him having another go at it in 1815, but failing. Yet the period named after him, doesn't begin until decades later and ends almost a century after he was dethroned?

>>54908284
Because it lasts a hearbeat in human history and has the least social mobility in human history.
In medieval-discovery era a serf could become a hunter, a merchant could become a spy, a sheepherd could become one of the best painters ever. All it took was exposing their talents to the right person. In the napoleonic era you're a soldier or a nobody.

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>>54919621
>giving (You)s to obvious b8

Plus given that the industrial revolution started in mid-to-late 18th century one could have a Napoleonic cogfop setting that is of course presuming that they're a colossal faggot that just has to slap random cogs into everything

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>>54919682
>h-haha I was just trolling!
>b-but I was still right anyway!

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>>54912000
Georgian-era stuff didn't outright dissapear as soon as Willie IV became king. Victorian architecture, fashion and madness grew from Georgian and gothic aesthetics. Most people aren't even able to differentiate the aesthetics properly.

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>>54908423
I think it's less about the 'Napoleonic' part, and that the OP/others really mean Flintlock.

Mostly I don't think the settings are popular because guns are not popular.

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>>54908284
Because anglos got BTFO

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>>54919783
>guns are not popular

>>54908390
No, although the Age of Sail covers both.

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>>54919788
Pipe down and get in the fucking vat, frog

>>54919809
Stay mad

>>54917375
Actually it was because of a confusion in measurements since the french foot was longer than the british foot. Probably part of the reason napoleon was so concerned with switching everyone to metric.

>>54919783
>Mostly I don't think the settings are popular because guns are not popular.
I guess you should start playing more than D&D and clones, so you will realise there is a metric FUCKTONNNE of settings and games that cover other stuff than generic medievalesque settings.

>>54917375
The real joke is that he got that post for his merit.
Brits were laughing, because he got a post due to his skills, rather than age and birth.

Let that sink in.

>>54919923

Well they weren't laughing for long.

You know every european coalition that Napoleon spanked? Every one of them funded by British gold. Every one.

Why? Because the LAST thing the people who actually ran Britain wanted was a successful eglitarian merit based society springing up literally across the channel.
Hell, if it hadn't been for his inability to understand naval warfare, Russia and The Duke of Wellington Britain STILL might not have won in the end. But we did, and social destratification didn't start in Britain until around the end of the 19th, start of the 20th century, and still might not have ever if it hadn't been for two world wars.

Basically, fuck Germany, Britain is the BBEG of europe.

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>>54910947
the big proble is that in fantasy people like unchangingness, a sense of eternal destiny, societies in fantasy are fixed. Even when it's set in the end of an era, it's merely a regime change, maybe a kingdom falls and is substituted by smaller ones, often there is a return to the people predestined to rule but rarely there are profound societal changes.
Fantasy is written with the underlying idea that there is a natural eternal unchanging order, and that is reflected in the structure of society and the role of people, changes that happen are often either adjustements to adapt more to the eternal order or threats to it.
Vicotiran era fantasy with their steampunk technology has that sence of eternal, that that society could go on almost unchanged for thousands of years.

Napoleonic era is the opposite of that, it's an age of great social change, the old regime destroyed to never return, common people rising to power and nobles put to death. It totally goes against the idea of an eternal order, of destiny, of fate and all that bullshit that permeates fantasy.

I actually started a very rough outline to start working on a Napoleonic DnD setting. Although now that I look at it the more I think DnD might not be the best system for it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lHn_ulWBBei-Yt1FJqUmEYE8oXUUhkTrh-9CN6pN0Uw/edit?usp=drivesdk

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>>54920050
You realise that Wellington made large reforms in the British army that allowed people promoted on merit to rise higher than ever before, right?

>>54920333

Yep. Gotta love that irony. They then made him Prime Minister, he then granted the Irish full suffrage. Well, the male parts anyway.

To be honest, Wellington is at least as interesting a historic figure as Napoleon.

>>54908284

Medieval has been a Thing in fantasy for years, and people have grown up with endless faux-medieval fantasy settings. So it's easy to understand and digest.

Victorian settings are fairly new, and you're right that the driver was Steampunk. Once you have a ready supply of media that gives people an interest in and knowledge of a setting, then suddenly an RPG developer has a much easier job selling people on that setting, and teaching them about it once they start playing.

And in fairness, one kind of Napoleonic-era setting IS pretty common: the Age of Sail pirate campaign. The golden age of piracy was over by this point, but piracy was still pretty common. The China tea/silk/opium trade was picking up, too, and of course that could be (but so far isn't) a great setting for a game.

You'll notice how popular space opera is? And cyberpunk? That's because we have a million examples to draw from. Hard sci fi near-future space settings like Transhuman Space are much less popular, because we don't have as many cultural referents for them, especially in visual media like movies and tv, and nowhere near as many books.

Even weird mashup settings like BattleTech (mecha hard-ish sci fi space + medieval politics) and Shadowrun (cyberpunk plus D&Dish fantasy tropes) don't ask all that much of you-- just that you combine two settings you're very familiar with.

White Wolf discovered this. There's a million vampire movies, especially in the 90s. Many werewolf and modern magic shows. And those settings did well. Wraith and Changeling had many problems, but a big one was out of their control: not as many movies and tv shows where the ghosts and fae were protagonists, and so players couldn't easily visualize those settings like they could Vampire.

>>54908284
>>54920797


I'll add another point. In the Napoleonic era (and by that I assume you mean Europe during the liberal uprisings of the early 19th century), most of the action involved mass movements of very large groups of people. Big armies, big peasant revolts, etc.

By contrast, a gaming group could turn into age of sail pirates and be the most important crew on a ship with some NPCs and have a game. Even Rogue Trader puts the characters as the bridge crew and landing parties.

In a victorian steampunk adventure, WAR and uprisings require big groups still, but the gentleman adventurer and his compatriots can be small enough that it's the players at the gaming table plus some cohorts and npcs. The PCs don't get lost in the story. They're exploring Africa or London or something, and the cast of thousands is kept off-screen so the action focuses on the players.

By World War II, this changes back. At that point you still have huge armies but now they operate in smaller and smaller units. Not fifty men per unit lead by a captain and kept in a regular, disciplined formation, it's a handful of men in a fire team that's on camera. It's simply more gameable.

>>54911880
To purchase it, we had to borrow from Spain to be able to afford it.

Napoleon was selling it to finance his invasion of Spain.
> tfw you finance your own conquest inadvertently

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>>54912040
Why get mad over someone correcting you? Why can't you let yourself be wrong and change from it instead of attacking the one that corrects you? "Would you rather be right, or happy" is only ever said by people who aren't right.

>>54920865
You can run a game with the spirit of exploration in the early modern period. Everything from sail to exploring the interiors is available. Most people just get so enraptured with the politics and big warfare that attracts them to the setting to want to bother with the Lewis and Clark expedition.

No one's mentioned Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell?

>>54920333
Would he have done it if France hadn't forced him?

>>54921263
Yes. Regardless of how much of a snob he undoubtedly was, and the fact that he almost certainly wouldn't have risen as high as he did so quickly without the system he helped break down, he wasn't proud or stupid enough to waste potential for no reason.

>>54908527
And 90% of World War II fiction is either set post-Barbarossa (4 years) or post-Normandy (1 year and 3 months).

>>54921309
I'm sure that describes plenty of people who never intervened or couldn't- but without the demonstration of how offensively effective it was, and the wildfire spread of revolutionary ideals, would be have been willing or able to do such things?

There's the quote about fascism forcing you to emulate it if you want to oppose it. I'm asking whether that applies to this horrid meritocracy idea too, perhaps moreso.

>>54921398
I'm fairly sure he saw the benefits of Merit vs Birth during his Indian campaigns, where he saw first hand that soldiers derided by many could be just as effective as everyone else with the proper leadership and logistics.

>>54921342
And the vast majority of those constantly reuse the exact same handful of battles and campaigns.

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>>54913397
>tfw no redheaded magic loli that makes you practically immortal

>>54924105
19 is hardly loli

>>54924172
IIRC, she originally looked like 14 year old, and consequently confused the fuck out of Taniel's boner when she told him her real age.

>>54924227
Yeah something like that, tough remember thinking that it's projecting modern values on a setting. Nobody would have problems with hitting a 14y/o 200 years ago. Hell some places the age of consent is a low as that right now.

>>54924554
I think the weirdness came out of him seeing himself as a guardian to a child that couldn't look after themselves.
The age thing added to the fact that she made ancient mages shit themselves made him mentally 404

>>54908284
that era dresses look gay by today standards and no one wants to play gay people.

>>54913612

Is he even still around? I haven't seen his trip in years.

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I know it's been said in this thread before, but isn't Steampunk basically Napoleonic?

I mean, pic related is as French fantasy as it gets.

>>54927389

Almost a century after that.

>>54927446
But still Napoleonic themed.

>>54927496

Welll....

No.

>>54927669
There's literally a French woman in that pic anon.

>>54911789
>It'd be like saying the War of 1812 was part of the Napoleonic Wars.
It kind of is.

>>54911353
Boobplate is the second best, right after bikini armour.

>>54927802

Yes.

At least 70 years before anything "steampunk"

You dumb motherfucker

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Medieval fantasy has stuck around because it's the best fantasy setting time period/anachronistic technology level there is.

>>54911759
It's more like
Napoleonic
>Britain is pissed off the balance of power is gone
>Britain throws money and bodies to restore it

Victorian
>Britain uses all its colonial territories it consolidated to dominate trade
>Everything is good on the Continent, nap time.
>muh united germany, muh united italy
>muh nationalism
>Fuck you China.
>Haha Japan, you can't join the cool kids club. Oh shit, he just shanked Russia.

American bonus
>You know, industrial-scale production and improvements to war might not be too good with Napoleonic Squares, but who cares it'll only last a few months. :^)

>>54911775
It'd be fun playing a couple of British saboteurs or spies during Revolutionary France to influence it or within one of the French conquests, trying to assemble a resistance against French occupation. Or as a ship crew for any navy and go dueling other ships and people for fortune and fame.

>>54927941
Steampunk isn't real anon.

I'm sorry to have to tell you.

>>54928140

It's inspired by a certain age, faggot.

>>54927956
>>54927956

Bullshit. The best would be the renaissance, up to 1500s.

>in some ways it is already

>>54911958
>I would LOVE for a Conan O' Brien RPG to exist but I can't imagine even that.
Like a... game about talk show hosts?

>>54908284
Why is that guy wearing a hussar's dolman, but then the cuff's some generic piratey shit and he has a baldric thrown over it? The frogging is wack as well but that's comparatively unobtrusive in this pic. And why is he shooting a cuirassier when they're both on the French side going by their uniforms? And why would the Carabiniers-à-Cheval let a tiny girl join?

None of this makes sense.

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>>54908284
>ok anon, roll to fire the musket!
>now roll to reload!
>now roll to fire the musket!
>now roll to advance ten paces!
>now roll to reload!

etc and so on

>>54926585
He said he wouldn't use his trip anymore. He is still here.

>>54919672
>the least social mobility in human history
Are you retarded? Ney started out as a cooper's boy and ended up as the Prince of Moskowa.

>>54918865
>ONE Gatling Gun
There are a bunch in the game, there are yharnam enemies in wheelchairs with them

>>54926585
>>54929557
He was permabanned, you stupid faggots. It was part of Gookmoot throwing gifts to the peasants when he took over the throne.

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>>54908527
>playing WW2 setting
>not inviting your WW2 veteran grandpa

>>54930074
I'm pretty sir right he's capable of an evading.
Though having said that, I've no idea why people obsess over him. In the grand scheme of shitposting tripfags, he's a complete non entity. Even manlet tears and lanced jack were less pathetic

>>54930003
Don't forget about Dandy King Murat, who was the son of a farmer and ended up outranking highborn marshal Grouchy.

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>>54908284
This turns me on way more than it should.

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>>54908284
>plebs ignoring late 19th century warfare in the East and focusing on boring European line warfare
Boshin wars is where its at niggers. Swords and breech loaders and shit.

I think the focus and themes of such settings should be all about the belief in enlightenment and reason.

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>>54911176
>The great age of carribean pirates ended in 1710s at most, probably 1700s.Blackbeard's end was just the nail on the coffin.

It ended closer to 1725. I'd say Bartholomew Roberts' death had a far greater impact in ending the Golden Age than Blackbeard's did.

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>>54932723
I see you too are enlightened by your own bushido.

>>54920797

I think a privateering setting could be interesting. You have to be a pirate on one hand (And possibly risk being treated like one if caught) but you also have to deal with the folks on your "side", the Admiralty Courts for dealing with what you capture, and all of that.

>>54908284
None of these are actually era appropriate but fuck you

>Germanic Elves who sell their skills as Jaegers to the highest bidders, each fielding a hand crafted rifled musket made of the finest timbers from the black forest and Elf Steel folded 1 gorillion times

>Russian Orc Streltsy backed up by horse archer cossacks

>Dwarven engineers making the finest culverins and mortars

>>54911162
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>>54911958
For your edification, a list of conflicts which involved most/all of the major powers at the time, AKA World Wars:

War of the Grand Alliance/King William's War
War of the Spanish Succession/Queen Anne's War
War of the Austrian Succession/King George's War
The Seven Years' War/The French and Indian War
Napoleonic Wars/War of 1812
World War I
World War II

So if only Trump can get something going, we'll be looking at World War VIII. Cheers.

>>54932791

There were no Strelsty in the 18th century. Peter the Great abolished them.

>>54930074
>He was permabanned
He was constantly dodging bans, idiot. He doesn't post with trip anymore.

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>>54932757
Don't be coy, you know that period was /fa/ as fuck

>>54932662
The OP, or your picture?

>>54932723
Underused war.

>>54932723
Ronin has rules for Boshin War.

Unification/Revolution campaign in napoleonic style would be cool.
Maybe like secret revolt/organizations in a not!papal state like irl.

>>54930052
It's hard to say if the wheelchair guys are intentional or not. The description of the gun makes it seem like there's the one operated by the dude in the tower and that the version you get is a miniaturized version of that, made by one of the tower dude's companions for their own use. It does make it seem like there shouldn't be others, at least not in the hands of common enemies.

There are only two wheelchair enemies with Gatling guns. So at tops we have 4, if we assume the on in the Hunter's Nightmare is a real gun transported there and not merely a manifestation of one.

>>54928606

Could you imagine that?

>Player 1: Oh shit son, I've managed to go 5 whole seasons live without a single major incident. Okay, I call up the band to play whilst we prep for the next scene.
>Rolls a random event dice
>GM: Oooh. That's not good. [Looks up some charts]
>GM: Yeah he swears for 30 seconds straight live on air.
>Player 1: ....how badly?
>GM: [after more dice rolls]: REALLY badly.
>Player 1: So, that's my Live bonus gone. I roll to see if I keep the show on the air.
>Player 2 [off to the side]: Fucking TAKE it you ginger twat.

>>54930052

Oh yeah, forgot about the wheelchair guys. Fair point.
That reminds me, anyone else salty that we get EVERY weapon those guys use EXCEPT the Elephant Gun? We get a goddamn cannon, twice, but we don't get the Elephant Gun with it's hilarious knockback.

Why does steampunk have such a cringy fanbase?

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>>54933033
B-both?

>>54933996

Because they are reduce it to a shallow aesthetic forgetting the "punk" bit of steampunk.

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I've had an idea for a mini-setting, or at least a one-shot for my group for a little bit.

>take the Shadowrun MAGIC RETURNS TO THE WORLD
>only, it happens in 1798
>dragons, elves and spirits come back to take control of the edges of the world
>and Napoleon returns from Egypt to his home of France during the turmoil

You get:
>napoleonic line warfare with magic
>old west with actually magic indians
>a ridiculous clusterfuck of revolutions in South America

It would probably be fun for one or two sessions, but wouldn't really get anywhere.

>>54908284
Because the uniforms we're ugly as sin.

>>54934374
>this colossal faggot there right here

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>>54934374
The Age of Napoleon was the last time in human history where a man could look ~*fabulous*~ without being considered gay.

>>54934374

You take that back!

>>54934435
Nigga looks like he has a diaper on under that.

>>54934101
So...you want to have a bound and crying French woman dressed in soldier's garb at your mercy, AND have Henri pound your boipucci?

Sounds about normal.

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鎧と言ってもこれが定番に感じるし

>>54933996
Because half of them forget about the "bespoke artisanal masterwork" part that was key to early steampunk and just go hog wild with gear-based kitsch mass-produced for Etsy, and the other, worse half insist that punk has anything to do with steampunk at all because they don't understand progressive formation of jargon.

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>>54934435
*Sheds a single, manly tear*

>>54932723
Go and look up the total number of casualties in the Boshin War and you'll see why people aren't super interested. It's a ridiculously small number. The war was a glorified argument.

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>not one mention of The Duellists
Shamefur dispray.

>>54916057
>Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts (arguably the most successful Western pirate)
B L A C K S A M
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>>54935513
Still a very interesting war.

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>>54934435
>>54935452
>>54935528

>>54927389
No.

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>>54935513
>Gee, how could a setting with a complex and tumultuous political climate and twisting political alignments, including a ton of criss crossing and backstabbing, be turned into a good campaign?
>man, if only I could make things up within that timeframe, instead of literally reading to my players like I'm a professor!
Have you ever played a historical non-war game?

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>>54911925
>ITT post movies women will NEVER understand

>>54910274
>What is the difference between victorian and napoleonic? Didnt both live in the 1800s?
Fyi, the Georgian era and the Napoleonic era are the ones which overlap.

>>54937024
>movies women will NEVER understand
>Master and Commander
Most fans of that movie are women.

>>54911802
Or a revenge tale, like Count of Monte Christo.
A main plot point is assumed support for Napoleon.
Or The Duellists.

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>>54908284
Guns suck.

>>54934542
>Frenco woman
She's dressed in red. Certain French divisions did wear read, as did their Swiss mercenaries/conscripts, but the crown on her collar clearly gives her away as British (or their fantasy equivalent, whatever). Probably some noble cunt that only now realizes republicans don't take prisoners.

>>54938332
>the crown on her collar clearly gives her away as British
Nah, that's just another botched detail. The entire uniform is that of a Napoleonic French Carabinier à Cheval. The British didn't have any corresponding uniform at that time and, as far as I know, nor did they later. That brazed cuirass is entirely characteristic.

>>54912612
It's fun. It's not going to win any awards anytime soon, but I found it to be an enjoyable. The setting and magic was enough to keep me interested, I wouldn't mind running a game in it. It's supposed to be getting a Savage Worlds book which I may pick up for reference material, but I don't know how I feel about running it in Savage Worlds.

>>54933881
I'm literally dying laughing.

>>54908527
And how many fantasy settings are based on world war 2?

>>54908284
>Why are Napoleonic-era settings so rare?
Why would they be common?

Culture is largely self-referential. People are inspired to write in certain settings because they read about similar settings, so genres can become self-sustaining once they reach a critical level of popularity. Napoleonic-era fantasy doesn't have any work big enough to create an entire genre of imitators. Dr Strange and Mr Norell was good, but it's no Lord of the Rings.

>>54908423
>12 years
While technically true, the entirety of the 18th century (as well as the latter part of the 17th) was filled with political upheaval. The French Revolution gets the most attention, no doubt, but in the decades leading up to it you also had, among other things
>the English Civil War which resulted in the execution of the king and the establishing of the Commonwealth under Cromwell as Lord Protector.
>the Swedish Age of Liberty which lasted from 1718 to 1772 and resulted in drastically reduced privileges for the king, in practice turning the country into a republic that just happened to keep a monarch around.
>the American Revolution (which ironically was funded by the French king) which saw an entire overseas colony declare itself a republic.

>>54940964
>Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell was good
You think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen a mention in the entire thread to my favorite event of the Napoleonic period: the Portuguese court sailing the fuck out of their country to Brazil. Like, seriously, the King and every other noble just ran away from Napoleon. I wonder how the Portuguese people felt.

>>54944242
>>the Swedish Age of Liberty which lasted from 1718 to 1772 and resulted in drastically reduced privileges for the king, in practice turning the country into a republic that just happened to keep a monarch around.

Political upheaval around the Napoleon wars, and you mention that instead of the coup that restored royal power, or even more fittingly, the coup that deposed Gustav IV?

>>54945329
The point was rather to show that the political climate that such a setting would be going for lasted for much longer than the 12 years during which Napoleon ruled France. The events you mentioned were either directly connected to the Age of Liberty or happened during Napoleon's reign.

>>54944242
As much as I agree with your basic point here, including the English Civil War of the 1640s is way overreaching. Thats far more connected to the Thirty Years' War/classic Three Musketeers period than to Napoleon or the Revolutions.

>>54938090
>character pictured is from setting where guns are fucking worthless
>character pictured believes that guns make combat less interesting

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>Some comfy, syncretic setting set in a mis-mash of 1675-1825
>Primarily the West Indies, New England, England and Western Europe
>Federal Architecture, but also Buccaneers
>Salem Witch Trials, but also Napoleon
>America in a constant colonial revolt, Napoleon in a constant state of invasion, pirates, witches, cobblestone roads and the age of sails

The comfiest world.

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>>54948260

Post more Federal/Napoleonic architecture mates, it makes m'dick swell

>>54947236
The thing is, history isn't told in neat little episodes. It's a constant flow of ideas. While the English Civil War didn't have much to do with the French Revolution directly, the ideas that those Englishmen came up with about the responsibility and accountability of the king and the rights of his subjects were in fact a huge influence on the revolutions and reforms that followed.

>>54949904
>The thing is, history isn't told in neat little episodes.
Pretty much this. Just look at the hodgepogde of philosophy the Philosophes came up with. Voltaire was a massive Britaboo and ended up sucking Frederick's dick, yet Rousseau opposed him in this regard (stating that the only time the English are truly free is when they go to the ballot) and instead drew inspiration from the Roman Republic, while Napoleon in turn made it his policy to copy Caesar and Augustus. In a way you could even call the French Revolution regressive, as in a way it sought to go back to the days of Rome rather than "advance" down the line of centralizing monarchies. But then you also get Tocqueville who believed the French Revolution was just more of the same rather than some grand change.

There are so many narratives precisely because history is not neatly divided into episodes, as you say. This is why you get the French stating that their revolution was either different, or the pinnacle of liberalism, while the English try to push the narrative that they did it right and the French did it wrong (leading to such ridiculous accusations as Rousseau inventing communism).

>>54950826
The French Revolution was also far more complex than schools teach you, as is normal with big, complex events. It's also somewhat natural, as humans tend to look at large world-changing events like that and think of them as linear progression from A to B when in reality that usually simply isn't the case.

For one thing, it was primarily about a food crisis and bad economics, not enlightenment ideas about the rights of men. And the initial goal for most of the revolutionaries was the establishment of a constitutional monarchy, not the abolishment of the monarchy. Only the Jacobins were actually interested in establishing a republic. And, and this is a big one that is usually ignored, after Napoleon fell, France restored the monarchy!

>>54911846
you're right. It's either this or some sarcastic/witty thing. or just going "wow, so edgy".

The vast majority of /tg/ I probably would never associate with because of passive aggressive and selective autism many seem to sport like a fancy hat with the biggest feather they could fucking find.

>>54911793
I don't see a problem really. 99% of /tg/ couldn't pierce through that anyway. Let alone trying to kill a roman soldier in combat.

>inb4 but muh deflection
Its still armor. I could wrap license plates around my body and be more than a match for most of /tg/

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>>54951415
>>inb4 but muh deflection
>Its still armor.

While deflection can be nice, I think it's also often exaggerated. Mail isn't going to deflect a lot of thrusts. Extensive fluting or similar, as seen on a few different armour styles, will restrict deflection across the flutes. In those cases the lesser deflection capability is also part of a tradeoff, to simplify things a bit the further a plate is from being flat, the stronger it is. All said and done wrapping yourself in iron (/steel/bronze/whatever) will simply increase survivability by a lot, one way or another.

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And while the utility of a significant valley down the middle of the chest may be so-so (then again, it isn't like armour is somehow exempt form the whims of fashion), we do see breastplates that come quite close to a somewhat voluptuous profile in reality.

>>54924554
Lots of people would, the average age of marriage through most of Europe has been the early-mid 20s since at least the seventeenth century. Nobles were just outliers that dictated law.

>>54908284
I think it's due to the lack of fantasy elements attributed to it.

>>54951066
>after Napoleon fell, France restored the monarchy!
Napoleon was busy rebuilding it before he was even ousted.

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>>54944242
How about when the Swedes chose Bernadotte as king?

>>54940964
>Dr Strange and Mr Norell
Fucking hell, I tried reading that shit once and was astounded by how shit it was. Like an overwritten parody of baroque fiction it just goes on and on forever in the most tedious prose imaginable. Read Austen or Byron if you want to get into the mindset of the age, not that drivel.

>>54951679
Happened during the 12 years that make up the Napoleonic era, so I don't see how that's relevant to the point that was made.

Here's a counter-question: Why do Swedes feel such a constant need to forcefully wank over their own history even if it isn't relevant to the topic being discussed?

>>54908284
I'm working a late 17th/early 18th century setting right now. It's not Napoleonic but its pretty ignored too.

>>54908601
Modern is generally Eighties through to present.
>>54908527
Last time America got to pretend to be the big hero.
Proxy wars didn't really paint them as much of the 'good' guys and now days the president cheers on the Nazis.

>>54951768
> Muh Baltic power
>Sweden superpower
>Gustav Adolphus

You're right, they do tend to do it a lot. My guess is because they are so irrelevant today.

>>54952421
America was one of the good guys in the Cold War.

>>54952794
It's still going on, anon

>>54908601
>the current year arc
1 year

The age of napoleon is the age of powder firearms, isn't it? Napoleonic era as a setting suffers from similar issues to the American Civil War as a setting: war in formations. Alone, there's not much you can do when you're pouring black powder into your musket with all the accuracy of a drunk braggard playing darts in a sports bar.

That's the main issue. As a wargame, it works because you're the general manoeuvring your troops, but on the ground, you can't go adventuring around killing stuff with a party of four players.

>>54952892
People fought in formations long before Napoleon's time, anon.

>>54919609
Anon, I loved the books but you have to admit Taniel is a huge mary sue.
>Kills two Wardens with his bare hands
>Kills gods
>Becomes Immortal super being
>Hooks up with mute red headed super mage.

>>54951066
>it was primarily about a food crisis and bad economics, not enlightenment ideas about the rights of men.
It was though. It started with the Assemblée Constituante vowing not to disband until there was a constitution which guaranteed certain Enlightened ideas. Remember, it started out with a conflict on how the Three Estates were supposed to vote.

>And the initial goal for most of the revolutionaries was the establishment of a constitutional monarchy, not the abolishment of the monarchy.
Here you're actually correct, technically. The king was beloved at the start of the revolution (due to among others his involvement in America's independence). He ended up becoming hated as he sabotaged the entire system (going as far as to abuse his veto rights to ensure France could neither reform its tax law nor raise a national guard to support against the threat of foreign invasion by the Duke of Brunswick) and eventually even ended up colluding with the Austrians. That's why the republic was established, because the constitutional monarchy they desired initially proved to be sabotaging the values France had established in 1789.

>And, and this is a big one that is usually ignored, after Napoleon fell, France restored the monarchy!
France didn't do shit, the Concert of Europe restorted the monarchy. And even then it was only restored on the condition that the Charter of 1814 was adopted, which kept many of the Napoleonic elite in charge and maintained the gains of 1789 (including but not limited the Declaration of the Rights of Man & Citizen). The problem was that the Charter of 1814 was formulated in such a way that its values weren't deemed universal, but instead a "gift" from the king to his people, a gift that could be revoked at any moment. This is what king Charles X tried, and he was ousted because of it. Same story for Louis Philippe, with France in 1848 ending up with, surprise surprise, another republic (and another Bonaparte as an extra bonus).

>>54952991
>It started with the Assemblée Constituante vowing not to disband until there was a constitution which guaranteed certain Enlightened ideas.
Yeah, which started because of the food and economic crisis, and even after the new constitution was passed the revolution continued because the food crisis still hadn't been addressed.

>>54952906
They did not *have* to fight in formations, though.
It was more efficient, but not required.

For black powder muskets, there's a lot more of a need for it.

>>54953140
>Yeah, which started because of the food and economic crisis
Only indirectly, because the Three Estates had to convene to decide on a new tax policy, which then led to a conflict on voting rights. Had there been no basis to assume the parity of the commons to the nobility and clergy (ie. enlightenment ideas) there'd just be yet another vote in the Three Estates (of which there had been many prior to Louis XIV ignoring them) and it'd be business as usual.

>and even after the new constitution was passed the revolution continued because the food crisis still hadn't been addressed
Because the monarch blocked all reforms with his new constitutional veto rights, such as (among others) vetoing every attempt of the National Assembly to tax the church's worldly possessions (which included rather grand estates at the time).

Your attempts to make the revolution more complex actually reduces it to "hungry peasants out for blood". The fact that even the lower strata of society ended up miffed due to food shortages and economic crisis certainly helped, but it was a very ideological bourgeois that spearheaded the revolution with very clear end goals in mind.

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>>54952892
>you can't go adventuring in the Napoleonic period with a party of four players
Is this to be a... comedy test?

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>>54952892
>>54953455
>a party of four players
This is your party for tonight. Who are they and what is their quest?

>>54952892
Play as escaped slaves
it's like playing zombie survivors on hard mode

>>54908284
>Why are Napoleonic-era settings so rare?
Obscure period of history that very few people know or care about
>You can't walk ten feet without tripping over a Medieval setting
This is true. Fuck D&D & GoT for causing this
>and even Renaissance settings aren't that rare
Don't know any off the top of my head besides Warhammer, Anon. Examples?
>and Victorian-era settings are everywhere thanks to steampunk.
Steampunk has nothing to do with the Victorian era besides putting cogwheels on hats from that time period. Literally fucking nothing. There is nothing about imperialism or colonialism, nothing about slavery, nothing about sexism, nothing about the White Man's Burden, nothing about worker's rights and the growing middle class, and nothing about nationalism and growing geopolitical tensions threatening to finally explode and cause the war to end all wars. Compare this to Cyberpunk, where themes of wealth disparity, poverty, oppression, surveillance, overpopulation, and the collapse of public order are all hallmarks of basically any setting or story you can think of, instead of just being a "chique" aesthetic. Steampunk is the fat kid wearing a fedora and Sonic the Hedgehog t-shirt of "settings", nothing more.

>>54953468
Clearly they want to find the fourth guy a larger hat, he's not even willing to wear his current one.

>>54953306
>Your attempts to make the revolution more complex
No attempt is being made. The revolution was complex.

>reduces it to "hungry peasants out for blood"
No. Lots of factors were at play. There's no denying, however, that to most people at the time it was in fact about there being a shortage of food more than anything else. This was what resulted in the Women's March on Versailles, for example.

But there was a whole bunch of other things playing into it as well, such as National Assembly troops opening fire on an unruly Jacobin protest, and Prussia and Austria declaring that they would restore the king of France, and, yes, an enlightenment idea.

>>54952794
Spy vs spy doesn't really have "good"
I mean, what is there to be proud of? That time we gave the taliban weapons that they later turned on us, just 'cause they were fighting Russia at the time? Or the (several) times we propped up fascist dictators who killed their own people because the alternative was dangerously independently-minded democratically elected governments? Or the time we bombed countries without declaring war on them just 'cause we could?

I'll even grant you that the other side was worse and winning was important, but c'mon, "everyone is assholes" doesn't make the least assholeish "good guys"

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there's no fucking good art
i understand there's a lot of drawings of uniforms and stuff, but its a bitch finding really good-looking character art

i'll share a few (some of them i had to edit to fit my character's specifics) but please, please, please prove me wrong that this aesthetic has no good art

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>>54911756
>Make a regular breastplate
>Use a thin sheet of steel to sculpt some boobs over the functional breastplate.
Bam you get titty armour with no compromised protection and only a slight increase in weight.

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>>54954046
>c'mon, "everyone is assholes" doesn't make the least assholeish "good guys"
>t. did not grow up in the Soviet Union

Let me explain you something faggot: propping up facist dictators to avoid more Soviet influence and communism was 100% good guy decision.

Just becase there isn't a happy candyfloss unicorn solution doesn't make you the bad guy, in the real world realpolitik is the rule.

>>54911353
The magical realm isn't boobplate, it's murdering ladies.

>>54955686
And what happens if the wearer trips and falls on her face?

>>54955765
She puts her hands out? She falls on her metal titties and dents them? Is this supposed to be some horrific flaw I'm missing?

>>54934242
There's an entire book series with literally this entire premise.

>>54956095
>dragoon
>half-titcuirass
>and low shoes
I want Japan to fuck off.

>>54956191
>every detail
...maybe it's more like I want women to fuck off unless they're wearing period dresses.

I've always wondered why there are no colonial frontier settings. Imagine the americas in the 1600's. You got
>ruins to explore
>vast untamed wilderness
>hostile natives and strange dangerous animals
>a general lack of law and order once you get beyond the coast
>tons of unexplored area
>crazy high amounts of social mobility and political instability. A conquistador can conquer and empire, a group of adventurers can start a revolution
>trade can be merchant adventuring as pirates/bandits are more common. Fur hunting can easily become monster hunting.
>lack of strong government authority, hell a pirate laid siege to the capital of north carolina for a week once
>smugglers

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>>54956348
Colonial Gothic

>>54912098
Its a chiaroscuro imitation more than anything .

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>>54911353
>Boobplate
>worst magical realm there is

Such innocence. Just on the subject of sexy armor, boobplate like in OP's image is about as mild and inoffensive as it gets. And magical realms can go so much deeper than just lingerie armor.

>>54956276
None of that is more unrealistic than the fact that she's female, friendo. At least Japan has the common decency to make their shoehorned in military sluts look attractive rather than actually trying to make us believe womyn can be stronk and independent.

>>54911775
>>54929442
Avoid military campaigns and focuses on a smaller scale adventure perhaps taking place on the periphery of a war zone. If you absolutely can only associate playing in the era with being a rank and file soldier (for some asinine reason), then add in a little fantasy (historical or otherwise) element that breaks the traditional system and forces reaction.
A campaign about police dealing with social unrest, routed soldiers attempting to regroup with their lost regiment, fucking zombies if you're lazy (now large army attrition doubly fucked), political intrigue in the officer's camp or the homefront .

>>54940721
I can think of weird wars and godlike (totally counts) off the top of my head, guarantee there's more.

>>54952892
One of the longest successful kills in history occurred during the american civil war using a rifled flintlock with a normal effective range of 800-1000 yards. The accuracy of powder guns is a hollywood meme. At best you can justify it with the psychology of warfare and soldiers missing deliberately, which was first recorded as a phenomenon with british longbowmen, and literally has never applied wholesale to fictional characters.

Hell even a handgonne was accurate against a man sized target at 20-25 paces (that's about 100ish feet depending on which "commonly" derived stride length paces were considered at the time, which is up for debate).