Has anybody else noticed this? I already had problems with the

They are just newer truescale space marines but with GW trying to avoid the fallout of invalidating everyone's old models.

>>54899645
They should have just been a new mark of power armor and bolters with the same rules as the old ones. But I guess GW was trying to do some AoS shit and had to backtrack once they found out people hated AoS.

They're fluff aberrations that can't exist alongside the preexisting marines.

If the Primaris models are truescale, and they are canonically taller than old marines, does that retroactively make the existing marine models truescale?

>>54899729
>canonically taller
We'll all anxiously wait your source on that.

>>54899809
Dark Imperium, Chapter 12

>>54899856
Well dang

>>54899677
>They are just newer truescale space marines but with GW trying to avoid the fallout of invalidating everyone's old models.
desu I already feel like they have invalidated my old models

sure they still have rules, but a much of the "old" space marine range is now online only, suggesting they are stopping production on it.

>>54899874
not anytime soon, and only people with lots of free time, unlimited money and maximum OCD are going to convert their whole armies to the new size.

I drew the line at rebasing to 32mms. The old marines arent that bad

>>54900014
some of the newer "old" marines like deathwatch are more upright and are slightly taller so they are less bad, but rules-wise old marines are a real mess and so are the new marines

>>54899869
That's what you get for being a "SOURCE SOURCE CITATION" spouting faglord. Don't want to get BTFO? Then shut the fuck up when people are talking about shit you have no clue about.

>>54899874

You realize Basilisks, hellhounds, manticores, wyrdvane psykers, and every HQ in the game are also all online only too, right? Literally the only thing I see online only for space marines that isn't some type of HQ unit is the whirlwind, legion of the damned, and sword brethren. Every army has a shit tonne of online only stuff, at least you're not missing something as basic as a basilisk.

Does the redesign of Spess Mehreens mean that we won't get another Heresy boardgame?

Because I really would've been interested in mk2/mk5/mk6 troopers for buy.

>>54900069
i don't see why they would conflict, heresy era stuff still looks like heresy era stuff. might be a bit taller but same armor

>>54900055
>Whirlwinds are unavailable online
>somehow not comparable to the Basilisk

>>54900046
Have a bit of class mate.

>>54900148
Where do you think you are, faggot.

>>54900069
Probably. A big selling point of the boxes is that they could be used in 30k and 40k. Now that 30k is dying and 40k is phasing out marinelets it seems unlikely we will ever get a new Heresy box. I'm disappointed too.

>>54900069
To my understanding, the only marines that are taller are the Primaris. Mk2-8 shouldn't be effected, size-wise. They're totally going to get phased out, though. Maybe in a few years after Primaris becomes a staple and they introduce some goddamn variety to the armor they'll say "Surprise! It was all Guilliman's dream! These models were true-scale regular marines all along!"

GW is just trying to get all their old players to replace their whole army with new minis, duh.

>>54900399
It's pretty obvious that 8th edition is just a big ploy to make as much of their product line obsolete as possible. I mean, every edition change serves that purpose, but this time they made every previous publication obsolete, sold a line of books (indices) that were made to go obsolete, and introduced a line of models specifically designed to supersede their biggest existing line of models.

>>54900537
This.
I already converted to Alpha legion just so I could save some cash by repurposing my old IG army. Now GW wants to force me to upgrade with bullshit rule 'tweaks' and ass pull fluff uber-uber mensch? If they released a true scale line and said "hey, it's a new, better, more detailed model but don't worry the old model will still play" that would be one thing. But 8th is just convoluted garbage to force you to buy new stuff.

>>54899645
>take two pieces of art
>scale them up to be the same height
>use as evidence

>>54900940
The important part is that the proportions and silhouettes are practically identical, to the point that you would not be able to discern Primaris from any other type of marine, if it were not for the difference in their tabletop representations. This is true for nearly all art of Space Marines, not just the one shown here.

Think about it this way. Canonically, Primaris are taller than regular Space Marines. If you were to true scale a space marine, you would look at official art and alter the model to become a more faithful representation of the original concept the model was based on. How do you do this with a Primaris marine? They're already identical to the art. They aren't their own marines, they're just truescale Space Marines, and quite bland ones at that.

>>54900974

If you can't tell power armor marks apart that's your personal problem.

It is way to make product obsolete, it's a cash grab on GW's part and in fairness it's really working. The Primaris models by and large look really nice and certainly look waaay better than the old Marines (although I still think intercessors are weird.

Me though, I'm manlet marines for life! I grew up collecting and painting them badly as kid. I then stopped and then started painting again at 25 (they look nice now).

As I sit on top of what must be approaching 10k points of painted pre-heresy emps children it's too late to change and I don't want to!

My horde will instead look forward to using Primaris heads as hood ornaments. It's sad the impending lack of support, but hey! Marines were always the best served army and eBay will provide for many decades yet!

>>54901036
>discern Primaris from any other type of marine
I meant that, just by looking at the art, you would not be able to tell that they were anything other than another mark of regular marine armor, instead of an upgraded even taller marine.

>>54901042
Plastic marines were obsolete the moment the FW shit came out in 2011, or when the plastic assault marines came out with superior legs.

>>54901054

Which is why >>54899688

You're acting like you discovered a new element or something. We all know this shit, how different did you really expect Imperial power armor to look? Did you want some fucking no-head mono-eye Tau suits?

Marinefags had it coming.

If you chose to be original instead and play Xenos this wouldn't have happened to you.

>>54901070
>mono-eye tauu suits
bruh most tau suits have at least one eye, some even get three or four but two is pretty rare

>>54901060

I sort of agree, but what made the manlets so great was the third party support that GW want to destroy. Don't like the shitty squat legs. Change it. new bolter. Change it. new different heavy weapons, ez pz.

I'm building a bunch of scouts and the only thing GW about them are the torso's and legs.

Perhaps what was so great about them was that they were a widely supported baseline that you could use to make a really unique looking army.

>>54901070
I too would have preferred they just made them a new mark of armor, or, even better, released artscale marine components separately. Fluffwise, the marines already covered everything that Primaris have to offer. They're just redundant.

>>54901092
Sideways-vertical-eyes Tau suits

>>54901075
>orks
>original

>>54899688
They did that with nurgle from DI box set. Here you go, your new nurgle marines, now they are bigger than old ones, and than entire chaos range.
But for SM they did this bullshit

>mfw people complaining about marine armor being too same-y

They're like those troopers from SW. Minor variations and specializations of the same shit: humans in armor.

It's like none of you guys were around when Oldcrons were literally Terminators, floating scarab-taur Terminators, Terminator lamias, Terminators with claws, upright Terminators, Scarabs, Giant Scarab, and Monoliths. And that was literally it.

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tell me that the Primaris have anything on this shit

>>54901133
that primaris have anything on this shit

Primaris marines are just a retarded cash grab, with multiple aims:
>force tourney player to eventually fully redo space marines armies
>force collectors to adquire redundant pieces
>attrack edgy kids and tacticool fans (reivers designer should be executed)
>fill the retard quota to receive government benefits/tax deductions, aggressors and anything with gravis armor have clearly been designed by tards/autists/people with severe astigmatism.

>>54901174
>fill the retard quota to receive government benefits/tax deductions, aggressors and anything with gravis armor have clearly been designed by tards/autists/people with severe astigmatism.
fucking kek anon
also I unironically like rievers, though I gave them inceptor heads for fun

>>54901174
But they have more panel lines on them! That means they're better!

>>54901133
Primaris black templar.

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>>54901292
>>54901133
>W-whats venerable brother Grimwald doing to that daemon, brother Diocletian? Why is he trying to p-poke it with his sword?

>I don't know, brother Maurus, the codex astartes states nothing about such scenario's. I hope he finishes whatevernhe's up to soon, though, I can't get a clear shot with my plasma incinerator.

>Ughh, I hate dealing with these primaris pussies man, they don't even know how to use a sword properly...FOR THE EMPEROR
>I know, right? I miss then good old days. Anyway, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

>>54899645
While money was certainly the main factor, it also feels like Primaris Marines exist as a distinct concept because GW was afraid of angering the spergy tards who compose the most vocal members of their fanbase. Tards who couldn't just accept the meta-explanation of "we wanted to make true-scale Space Marine models", and needed their new shit to fit in-universe.

>>54900046
Ain't nothing wrong with wanting people to back up their claims with evidence, especially on 4chan of all places.

People bitching about Primaris not being gothic enough should remember what a vanilla tactical marine looks like on a sprue. Fucking sci-fi warriors, no gothic vibe at all. Purity seals and other bitz are the only things saving the day. Fuck the artworks, making grimdark Primaris minis is not that hard.

marinelets getting squated lol

to people who don't agree: no one's saying gw's gonna drop a bomb any day and announce they're discontinuing all marinelets lmao

what IS gonna hapen tho, is theres never gonna be another marinelet release ever again, it's gonna be all primaris all the time from now on

so a soft squating, if u will

>>54902369
btw also if this trigers u that just means im right :^)

>>54899645
desu i knew this for a while but i didnt wanna say anything until i saw the rules.

>>54901595

You know ALL the Space Marines in that picture are Primaris, right? Look at the raised, matching gorgets, the matching smooth 'dome' of the backpack, the lack of cable, armored belly of the guy with a sword... that's a Primaris Space Marine.

>>54899645
How quickly do you stupid assholes forget things?

From the beginning, Primaris marines were just an excuse to make true-scale marine models and sell them to you. Games Workshop explicitly stated as much. The lore explanation came later after people lost their minds at even the vaguest, dementia-induced-hallucination of an implication that old marine models might get squatted.

>>54900168
Autism camp. Now, show me on the great unclean one where your special needs tutor touched you.

>>54900651
>new, better, more detailed model


only the first of those descriptors is true though. The second of is highly debatable and the third is straight up false.

>>54901042
>Primaris models by and large look really nice and certainly look waaay better than the old Marines
Er, no. They don't. They're better proportioned, but they're bland as fuck and the jump things and the reivers look fucking ridiculous and just make me think of GI Joe toys

>>54902664
Do you have a source on this? When did GW state that.

>>54899688
>with the same rules as the old ones
2 wound marines are really necessary. having them die to stray lasgun shots always was retarded.

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>>54901075
>>54901111
Quads of Truth

Also,
>Space Aelves
>original

If you had read any of the Reverend David Moore's complaint you know that all of GW's IP is built on unoriginal, stolen, pilfered, appropriated concepts, duh!

>>54901595
>Black Templar
>Quoting Codex Astartes

Any argument you have from here on out is invalidated

>>54901036
This is pretty funny. You've continuously missed OPs point despite having it spelled out in crayon and you're acting like HE is the Mongoloid in this scenario.

>>54903153

It's meant to be the Hellblaster marine behind him talking.

The joke is that the Primaris marines are all trained to Ultramarine orthodoxy, and don't get what it is to be a Black Templar, despite their gene-seed.

Manlets are already squatted. We'll never see another manlet release again

>>54902382
>Replying to your own post.


Wut.

>>54902999
They didn't.

>>54901595
>Anyway, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
WHAT!?

>>54902369
>Dropping Space Marines from release
>Soft Sqating
>Soft
It will be squatting, but it would be like suddenly Gondor ceased to be a thing in Lord of the Rings, if Humans decided to just fuck off in a giant spaceship in Warcraft, or if suddenly all metallic dragons in D&D achieved their lives' goal and disappeared up Bahamut's ass for good

>>54900046
To think it was the guy who was right that embarrassed himself on a Taiwanese Spear Fishing Board. You don't see that every day

>>54900046
how old are you?

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>>54899645

Do you understand that the art is depicting the models and not the other way around? Not there has ever been consistency in the art.

>>54899645
I myself am getting some chadmarines, they will be my ultra chadmarines.
I already started writing the lore, on how they were hand picked by guilliman after his talk with the emperor and given all kinds of secret training and permissions, such a for using Eldar and Ta`u weapons. I already wrote down 15 pages of lore for 4 of my guys and I am just getting started. Cant wait to steamroll some ork players at my shop, while yelling how the Imperium is the scourge of the xenos. Fuck those autists that speak like retards while playing the game.

>>54904172
Fellow ultramarine battlebrother reporting in.
Yeah, xeno players are almost as bad as people who complain about chadmarines. They are just redirecting their manlet fears towards the game.
The lore expanding is also good, for showing yet again that the ultramarines are the only ones capable of doing shit in this grimdark future. I wish you many victories, my brotherus battalium.

>>54899645
The old space marines are so ugly and goofy-looking, I don't know why people kept buying so many of them.

>>54904274
>goofy
maybe for some shit-tier painter.
Leave badass looks to us, jobber.

>>54900168
An Indonesian podiatry forum you're not old enough for.

I don't get why they just didn't slowly scale up the space marine miniatures? They've done that to loads of other armies before.

>>54901036
>I fail at reading comprehension on a quantum level.

Try again

>>54900046
>its now a bad thing to want claims to be backed up

I hate this timeline.

>>54901094
That and the fucked up proportions helped keep it all campy and over the top. Trying to make them realistic is to miss the point of what is arguably the least realistic setting I've ever seen. And worse we're gonna end up in Uncanny Valley territory where the harder you try to make 40k look true scale the more retarded the armored vehicles, oversized weapons and all the rest are gonna look in comparison.

>>54904585
because thene veryones old SM models would be useless and there'd be different size marines on the table with no explanation.

Fixing the scale wasnt the primary motivator for GW here, it was making more $$$ and a new gen of space marines would sell far better than truescale marines

>>54904874
>because thene veryones old SM models would be useless
Why would they? They don't ban you from using old models in games.

And even if that is the case (it's not) it didn't stop them scaling up the Dark Eldar

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>>54904874
This argument is so full of shit it's not even funny. GW's been scaling up space marines since they were introduced. The claim that this is to make "true" scale marines and the only possible way for them to do it is ridiculous.

>>54905009
Even though current Astartes aren't true scale I think just having more leg options (not having them all squatting) would've alleviated the underwhelming look compared to 'true scale' Primaris.

Primaris are still unnecessary and lack of variation sucks. Probably just going to keep true scaling old-marines.

>>54899645
The most important question to me is, why you call an artwork of an Ultramarine that was published possibly roughly 25-30 years after the introduction of Space Marines a "Conceptual Vision"?

The model designers of the Primaris MIGHT took your second picture as one of their references (most likely: the other way around), but the marinelet?

Neither of those pics, are "conceptional" in any way or shape to me.

Anon, pls....

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>>54899645
>their design lacking anything grim, dark, cyber, gothic, or punk

Space Marines haven't been Metal since Rogue Trader Anon

>>54905105
Deathwatch and Rubric Marines have such legs and they're way taller than older Marines.

>>54901131
First hen necrons had 3 units.

Warriors, scarabs, lord.

That was it, 1 blister, 1 box of five warriors

>>54905402
There were Immortals and Destroyers as well.

>>54905475
Nope! They came about in the 2nd wave. First wave was just those 3 things and they gave a free cron away with WD

>>54902843
Far better looking and more going on for them than normal marines.

But you stay edgy as fuck m8

>>54905560
I thought you mean like 1st iteration of Necrons as a whole.

How long was the wait between the waves?

>>54900046
Holy fuck are you literally 13.

Kill yourself man.

>>54904244
This.

Courage and Honour.

Primaris Marines were made by a bullshit lore asspull. Several in rapid succession.

Why do you guys like them?

>>54905639
You mean like Necrons? And Tau? And Be'lakor?

Why people like them? I'll go off on a limb and say people who like Marines for big, strong super-soldiers probably also like the bigger, stronger superior-soldiers, and people who don't care about Marines also don't care about the Marines+. Then there's also the people who wanted the plot to advance, so they'll welcome new things. Then there's people who like Marines, but want more tacticool, so Primaris will probably work for them.

>>54905639
Because they look much better than manlet marines and if marines players weren't such a bunch of faggots we would have got just a redesign and not the retarded lore

>>54901111
>orks
>not original
Name another race of ancap cockney space hooligans fighting just 4 laff with home-made guns

>>54901111
>>54903129
Original as in "playing something different than 90% of the fanbase", you dingus.

>>54905639
>Everybody thinks he´s a better GW CEO than anyone ever before.
>Meanwhile, GW tripled their networth in 5 years and are selling more than ever.
>People still think, everything they did in that period was wrong.

Please cry on. Maybe they change to fit your whiny lore wishes. Or get out and leave the talking to the grown ups, Anon.

>>54905771
GW's stocks are rising lately because they are soft-squatting AoS and focusing on 40k.

>>54905599
1st iteration were in Space Crusade. 2nd (as them actually being crons) is the one I mean.

I believe it was at minimum a month but want to say it was a year minimum until they got expanded.

>>54902516

> Thinking that any piece of artwork will ever have an oldMarine as the centrepiece again

Am I the only one who finds funny the fact that real life geievances about the primaris can be perfectly reflected in fluff grievances, almost on an 1:1 scale?

>>54904545
I thought this was a Mongolian basketweaving board?

Man, no wonder people kept saying my threads were off topic

>>54905828
>1st iteration were in Space Crusade.

Those were Squat built Chaos Androids, not Necrons. 1st true Necrons were, as far as I can tell, the 2e metal minis.

>>54905950
Space terminators is space terminators

>>54899645
How would you guys react if they released new "old" marine stuff in the distant future?

>>54906007
>what did he mean with that?

I feel like they should publish a novel about one of the newly founded chapters.
The Space Wolves one seems like the most interesting I would say, they could show how they try to integrate the new marines in the chapter.

>>54899645
i really prefer the old helmets...is it worth converting primaris with the older helmets? or should i just wait and see what GW does with them?

>>54902369
I seriously doubt it.

If that was the case, they would have covered all the bases with their intial release. Why wouldn't they have a dedicated assault unit? Or bikes? More likely than not, Primaris itself will be reserved for supplementing a shooty marine army, like they are now.

However, I certainly agree that there will be no future "regular" marine releases, as they will bump them up in size like they did the Deathwatch.

>>54899856
>Black Library
>Not the Codex
>Insert Daddy Issues Joke #948232
Still waiting on a source.

>>54902369
GW marinelets fucking suck anyway. As long as FW keeps making them and I can find old running legs on eBay I don't give a shit if I never see another shitty squatting Mk 7 again.

>>54905727

WHFB Orcs.

>b-but they're not in spaaaaace

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>>54903579
Source? Cite empircal evidence of actual embarrassment. That wasn't even me, so prove that it was the same person as you claim.

>>54905604

Source? Prove my age.

>>54906886
I thought WHFB orcs came as spores on the Old Ones' ship(s).

>>54905009
Unrelated, but I love this guy's red armor, looks rad as fuck

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>>54905639
I stopped giving a fuck about all fluff since 6'th edition and I just stick to older fluff. I also have more fun with the hobby when I don't give a fuck about the what's lore correct. It was always just a silly setting to me anyway.

>>54902664
I know this is bs, but it's working. I haven't played 40k in over 10 years and I want those marines.

>>54901595
That pauldron on sword guy looks all kinds of fucked. Looks like it's covering all the way down to his wrist.

>>54905581
How is that edgy? You don't even know what the word means. Kill yourself.

>>54901595
holy shit that pauldron is massive

>Primarus helmets

They are just scrapping iconic designs to make shit seem more generic and fucking lame.

>>54905639

They look alright. I still like my old marines and I'm more of a Terminator guy anyway so I see no reason to hate Primaris. I'd probably hate them if they made a Primaris Terminator that looked shitty.

>>54907095

Agreed, I mean it doesn't really fucking matter, 40k's lore had always been pretty dumb. But that doesn't mean it wasn't fun. 40k is a great sandpit to make whatever you want. As long as your with people who won't be wankers and you put some effort into your army i don't think you'll ever hear whinging.

If the models fit the theme and the rules I'm game

How many armies is too many? So far I've got
~1500pts dark eldar (my primary army, planning to bring it up to 2k with harlies or craftworld. And fuck you I started them in 7E)
~1000pts deathwatch
~1500pts Imperial bananas (still awaiting painting)
~4 assassins
~11 blood angel terminators (space hulk ftw) and a librarian dreadnought
~a squad of custard flavored janitors
~a baneblade (because I love the model)
~ a Leman Russ (used to test color schemes for my baneblade)
~like a 1000 points if tau (got bored if them halfway through 7e because kiting is boring so I don't really count them)

So like 2 xenos armies and 2-3 imperial armies depending on how you arrange the models. Now I'm considering starting necrons. Should I just stop?

>>54909285
>How many armies is too many?
When you don't paint them all to an acceptable tabletop standard.

>>54909285
>his bigger army is 1500 points
>No more than 6k points total

Come back when you actually get an army.

>>54909892
It's not my bigger army it's my main army as in the one I enjoy playing most. My <Imperial> is clearly the largest

>>54909983
>>54909285
Dude, there are people with 10,000s pt armies that are unassembled or are simply half built.

You're fine

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>>54909285
Hmm...

>40k IG
>40k CSM
>30k SW
>30k DG
>30k Talons
>WHFB Lizardmen
>WHFB Daemons
>WHFB WoC
>loads of Necromunda Eschers
>Necromunda Orloks
>Necromunda Van Saar
>Necromunda Enforcers
>Mordheim Orcs
>Mordheim Witch Hunters
>Mordheim Dwarfs
>Mordheim Mercs
>Mordheim Possessed
>Mordheim Carnival
>BFG Chaos
>WW2 Germans
>WW2 Brits
>WW2 US
>few dozen Battletech mechs
>Ronin Samurai
>Ronin Bandits
>Ronin Ikko-Ikki
>Ronin Sohei
>Ronin Peasants
>Ronin Boshin War soldiers

>>54910113
>>54909892
>>54909983
>>54910031
>>54909285
>implying you don't play with a literall tsunami of grey shit

>tfw only one army
>tfw only have about 25 guys painted up
>backlog of 15 guys and 2 tanks
>to buy list of maybe 10 more guys and 2 tanks

If my backlogs were as large as everyone else's I'd kill myself. I already feel like shit because of how slow and poorly I paint and my current backlog an how long it'll take. Some of you guys are going to take the majority of your backlogs to the grave.

>>54900940
I know, anon... OP is fucking inept as fuck.

>>54910208
>implying I play at all

>>54906886
Orcs are pre-gunpowder Orks, once they'd discovered the power of gun they changed the C to a K, a K for "Kill"

>>54905889
>Mongolian throatsinging*

Sort your shit out newfag

>>54905261

It's sad cuz it's true...

>>54899677
pretty much this, only gw doesn't realize that the community would praise everything being re released as true scale, i would happily discard my army and start a new for better looking models, ffs they threw out the entire warhammer fantasy universe and yet they're too goddamn pussy to do true scale like we want

>>54914864

Because the WHFB universe didn't make any money while Space Marines make a majority of their money.

Just how tall are Primaris marines? Specially the one with the gravis armour - they seem to tower catapharctii terminators.

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>>54915457

>their design lacking anything grim, dark, cyber, gothic, or punk
>punk
Please stop using this word, it's clear you have no idea what it means.

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>>54900182
>no plastic MKV ever for my sharks

>>54899729
yes, but not retroactively.
The regular marines were always truescale.
its the current IG plastics that are wrong

>>54903537

Even though the BT stabbing the Bloodletter is also a Chadmarine it's implied the two are commentingon how the Hellblasters are noobs trained solely on the Codex and can't think to do something as simple as stabbing niggers with power swords.

>>54906677
Fuck off with your non-arguments.

>>54915562
Not Cataphractii, but

Fug :DDD

>>54916184
>doesn't already own a bunch of resin Mk V

Get a load of Mr. Fancypants and his non-shit power armor over here.

The Grey Knights fluff says that the Space Marines remain the most powerful and better equipped type of marine in the Imperium even after the Primaris became a thing. So what's the point of creating the Primaris when we have Grey Knights?

>>54916449
Same reason your mom keeps you around even though your brother is way handsomer and smarter.

>>54914881
True but true scale introduction would vastly increase sales more than primaris marines

>>54906677
Codex Space marines has Primaris and Regular marines shown in the Ultrasmurfs 2nd company organization chart Regular marines are shorter than Primaris is the diagrams.

Get fucked.

>>54916268
This.
Marinelets are already to scale with the Tau, Necron, and Eldar/Deldar minis. Thr guardsmen were for some reason cast at near marine size.
The death watch release fixed this by slightly increasing the height of the marines without making them xbox hueg and would have been a perfect scale for the rest of the marines.

Hell in books like Damnos its shown that marinelets are shorter than Necron immortals as one has to lift an ultrasmurf of the ground to look him in the eyes.

Autistic marinefags couldn't comprehend that their super speshul spess men aren't actually the tallest motherfuckers in the galaxy, so GW created the Chadmarines to 1. Guarantee sales as every marinefag now needs to replace his collection and 2. Get the marinefags to shut up about "MUH TROOSCALE!"

>>54904244
>xeno players are almost as bad as people who complain about chadmarines
Ork here.

Better a greenskin than a Chaos edgelord.

>>54916978

You went on that autistic spiel but then failed to realize the IGfags are the ones wondering if they'll get "Primaris Guardsmen".

>>54917678
To be fair, the plastic Cadians looks like they have stunted growth, like they were pygmy North Koreans or something.

>>54900089
A lot of space marine players won't buy a whirlwind. Most guard players will buy a basilisk.

Also, basilisk is a much more emblematic unit of the IG than whirlwind is of SM.

>>54900069
Its not really a redesign but a whole new design, that exists alongside the old ones.
We might yet see another HH boardgame.

>>54899856
If black library is your source of canon, then land raiders are also razorbacks.

>>54922080
CS Goto material about Dawn of War was removed from BL. So no.