8 new faction boxes are coming with the 2nd generals handbook

>>54870473
What are the other ones going to be?

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its always been playable you elitist faggot.
Just don't play stormcuck eternals

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>>54870473
Not with those rules it ain't.

No thanks mate, but thank you for going to the effort of doing GW's marketing for them.

>>54870575
Neato
The Spiderfang and Warherd ones look pretty cool

>gw goes through all of this effort to peddle and try to salvage their mistake
>even make 40k try and play like it, to the game's detriment (people only like it because 7th was a bloated corpse and they are still triggered by Eldar and Tau)
>leave lotr to rot with discontinued armies, no deals, no advertisement, just a few measly forgeworld releases based on the worst of the Hobbit movies
Do people even know that game exists?
What was the point of renewing the license if they weren't going to do anything with it?

>>54870575
>>54870609
>>54870637
>this is what amounts to a playable force now
Do they still call this wargaming? It seems more like playing with action figures.

>>54870658
>Four of the same monopose kit
It's a GOOD monopose kit, but still, dumb as hell.

>>54870757
Nobody called them a playable force

They're about 400 points worth of models per box

>>54870768
>not a playable force
Well they fail at the whole point of a start collecting then, don't they?

>>54870473
>Is it playable
Yes it always has been
>Is it worth getting into
Considering the lore is absolute shit, and if you dont play chaos or sigmarines you only get throne a bone every now and then, no its not worth playing.

>>54870768
But a box of two giants? Really?
How is that anything other than a transparent money grab?

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>>54870806
But don't you see? You get two giants for the price of two!

>>54870784
No, the point is to Start Collecting that faction

Also these aren't Start Collecting boxes

>>54870806
Costs less than buying 2 giants separately. Also,

>business wants to make money
wew fuck off capitalist shitlords!!!

>>54870806
>GW trying to obtain every dollar in the world
You are surprised? I mean look at 40k now, Chad marines are nothing but a money grab, fuck man single pose models are 35 bucks now.

>>54870767
The fuck you saying? Wizard kit is a classic! Especially for the bits

>>54870806
It's so you can ally in 2 with a destruction army ya turkey, they all are

Good.

>>54870768
>They're about 400 points worth of models per box

I heard AoS didn't use points to balance armies any more?

>>54870806
>you can buy two giants for cheaper than buying them individually
>CASHGRAB GW BULLSHIT

>>54870619
>>54870587
Are these boxes cheaper than the other SC boxes? Because they certainly have less value compared to them.

>>54870473
>Is AOS finally playable?
It has been since launch. But I like how it scared off all the grognards obsessed with winning.

>>54870855
What rock have you come out from?
And why are you here?

>>54870814
And a viable army, however small, isn't a good way to start collecting?
Tau gives you an hq, troops, and elites along with a bunch of drones.
This just reeks of desesperatly trying to sell unmoving stock.

>>54870749
To keep other companies from getting it. The prospect of some company snatching up the rights and starting to produce a platoon level wargame as a direct competitor to AoS and Warmahordes is reason enough to keep it locked away.
I just had the happy thought of the Perrys getting the rights through their connections to PJ and doing LotR again...

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>>54870856
It's not so much the idea of getting a bulk discount. It's the very obvious manipulation where they want to normalise armies consisting entirely of giant and extremely expensive models.

A company trying to make money is one thing, facebook game-tier money-grubbing is another. I mean look at pic related.

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>>54870912
>people shouldn't try to win in a game where winning is the end goal
You got me, winning in Age of Sigmar is like winning in the special olympics.

>>54870784
Good thing those aren't Start Collecting boxes, then, isn't it?

Those boxes are suggestion for what to take with the new allies mechanic, i.e. "we threw together some discount boxes, here's our excuse for them".

>>54870855
You heard wrong. Or rather, right but then didn't keep up. They released an official points system last year.

>>54870912

>I like how it scared off all the grognards obsessed with winning.

I have no horse in this race but it looks like AoS scared off everyone, not just these imagined enemies of yourself.

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>>54870927
>It's totally normal for the average army to field three Lords of Change!

>>54870963
Maybe next year they'll release a game that doesn't suck.

>>54870915
A lot of theses boxes don't contain heroes for their faction such as the spiderfangs, they only have a resin hero, say what you will but I think they are a great extension for an army that add variety too. Like the start collectings they will be a discount no doubt!

>>54870963
They strike me a bit like booster packs.

>>54870957
>winning is the end goal
Cool, didn't know that. I thought the point of a game you play in the same room as the other players was for people to have fun, not to be the only one having fun by listening other people grind their teeth. But at least I can sleep comfortably knowing that GW agrees with me and not you.

>>54870963
I'm not a fan of gimpy mini factions but having factions that exist to be allies to larger factions is hardly the worst thing I've seen

>>54870880
They havent announced a price but yeah probably around $55-65 usd

>>54870913
>What rock have you come out from?
The rock of "I never played Warhammer Fantasy so I didn't care about AoS but my friend who played Fantasy told me they did away with points and now I'm confused"

>And why are you here?
Saw the pic in OP and was interested in what the minis looked like because my D&D campaign features a lot of spiders right now.

>>54870963
>You heard wrong. Or rather, right but then didn't keep up. They released an official points system last year.

Huh. Ok, that makes sense.

>>54870980
Depends on the box. The Wizard one and the Giant one perplexes me a bit, but the others can make a great basis for an army for relatively cheap. GW saw how those Start Collecting boxes fly off the shelves, so they've been releasing more and more discount boxes. I'd like to see this trend continue.

>>54870984
The objective and the point of a game are two different things. I bet you are one of those faggots in favor of removing points count from kid's soccer games too.

>>54870927
That army is 6000-7000 points
It would never see a matched play game

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I can't imagine the level of stockholm syndrome required to be one of the few people playing AoS.

You'd probably have more fun playing a generic fantasy skirmish and not have the ridiculous financial investment.

>>54870984
Are like this too when someone is playing candy land? I guess so since all you want to do is mash action figures around.

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>>54870575
>Warherds Bloodfeast Gorgers
>Deathrattle Barrow Lords
>Nighthaunt Tormented Spirits
>Stormcast Eternals Extremis Chamber

Why does almost everything this game sells sounds so hilariously dumb?

>>54871035
Because the target audience of 10 year old Americans love it.

>>54871035
Because they wanted Trademarks on every thing, the best way to do that is to mash words together in a way that nobody else did. This is the lesson they learned from failing to trademark the teem space marine

>>54870970
>I have no horse in this race but it looks like AoS scared off everyone, not just these imagined enemies of yourself.
Different anon here, and anecdotal evidence only, but it seems to be plugging along where I am. Not as big as 40k but I do see people playing AoS, I haven't seen anyone play Fantasy since the early 2000s and back then I was one of them.

I'm thinking of getting a small AoS force myself and giving it a shot, some of the new models look fun and there are plenty of older fantasy stuff like the spiderriders I always liked.

>>54871023
All gw players are battered wives at this point.

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>>54871020
And yet they publish stuff like the Drakesworn Temple to encourage people to buy their £85 dragons in sets of three.

>>54871055
The biggest casualty is tomb kings, not even a settra fag, I just liked the modle range, Bretton isms got a bit of a raw deal too but the storm cast eternals kinda fill the role as the knights faction, and anyone wanting to play them classic can buy historical modles

>>54870637
Question: are Chaos Warriors still extremely badass, individually, in AoS, or have they been ousted from tip top Chaos badass status by those awful Khorne shits that arrived at launch?

Also, is there anywhere you can get good 3rd party Chaos Warrior lookalikes? I love the giant heavy metal viking look, but the 8th ed sculpts are of meh quality and it doesn't look like GW will ever return to their best design anywhere in the near future.

>>54871094
I'm not sure what it is, but there's something very wrong with these models.

>>54871094
Sure. So what?

That's not what a regular game looks like. If somebody wants to spend that much money on plastic star dragons, who are you to tell them they're wrong?

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>>54871035
I find them so funny because they have the same advertising style as these fucking meme catalogs.

>>54870784
>Start Collecting
>Not Finish Collecting

>>54871018
>>54871031
Holy shit, it's /v/. When the scenario is interesting and both players aren't complete cocks, who cares which side wins? Are you the kinds of people who play a Last Stand scenario and then cheer because they managed to destroy the smaller force? Or are you the people who would never touch such a scenario because it isn't "balanced" enough. Because if you're the former, go back to your video games and if you're the latter and think wargames are a test of skill and tactics, go play chess instead because GW games have never been balanced enough for that and never will be.

>>54871000
There were no points at launch, it was a number of models system which was rightly done away with after year one.

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>>54871133
>SHHHH! IT'S CHICKEN WHISPERS

every time

>>54870473
The generals book as a good start, but the game still has a long way to go become it becomes worth while. The faction boxes are worthless from a gaming perspective.

>>54870912

The only people it scared off were ones that liked good rule sets, functional units, and interesting fluff.

>>54871133
I really don't mind AoS and I even understand the reason behind the renames, but Forestberry Juicers is all too plausible as a unit name of not-halflings or something

>>54871180
>The faction boxes are worthless from a gaming perspective.
They're literally intended to be added as allies for your army

How could you possibly come to this conclusion

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>>54871119
Do you not think the integrity of the game and setting can, at some point, become compromised by the desire to push certain products to make money?

>>54871138
>Are you the kinds of people who play a Last Stand scenario and then cheer because they managed to destroy the smaller force?
Last Stand scenarios usually have victory conditions for the "losing" side, you retard. That's why they are scenarios instead of lopsided stompfests.

>if you're the latter and think wargames are a test of skill and tactics, go play chess instead because GW games have never been balanced enough for that and never will be
I just play other games. Like GW's very own Blood Bowl or Epic, for example. Having your best go at your opponent while remaining friendly, cracking jokes and heaving a hearty laugh is what makes a game fun. It's called friendly competition, you tremendous idiot.

I hope to god you are just trolling, because I don't want to think there are actually people stupid enough that think that doing your best and having a fun game is mutually exclusive.

>>54871094
>£85 dragons in sets of three.
Big models are cheaper than most "normal" 2k armies. BCR are popular because a whole army is like $250, which I can spend on Khornes battleline alone. Your argument makes no sense.

>>54871211
>There are actually people out there that field three or more of the same monopose centerpiece plastic miniature
>They don't even cut up and repose them with some easy sculpting
>Some of them aren't even painted

>>54871023
Alright then.

Name us a generic Fantasy Skirmish.

>>54871211
We past that point with the end times, age of sigmar is just carrying on.

>>54871211
So when the game pushes for hundreds of small units it's fine, but when we want monsters it's suddenly shit?

>>54871211
You know GW always made more money on Infantry kits over the big kits right?

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>all these salty fatbeards nitpicking the slightest thing

Jesus Christ, I loved WHFB too, but I got over it. Just let it go, it's never coming back and that's fine.

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>>54871280
>SoBaH
>dragon rampant
>there was this weird one that had a native American motif I can't remember
>open combat
>frostgrave

>>54871280
Song of Blades and Heroes / Advanced Song of Blades and Heroes

My dice rolls > Your dice rolls

>>54871321
I already accepted Fantasy is dead and will never come back, but I will never accept that 40klite replaced it.

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>>54871280

Song of Blades and Heroes, also Advanced Song of Blades and Heroes.

Open Combat.

Frostgrave if you like the sound of a Wizard & mooks v. Wizard & mooks game.

>>54871346
>>54871332
>>54871328

So knock off Warhammer/Mordheim games that play like crap and nobody actually plays unless they get bored of GW games.

And Frostgrave, which is just Mordheim and Malifaux's bastard child.

This is Why I still play AoS. It's not a system I need to download from a dodgy 1990's looking website.

>>54871341
That's sad.

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>>54871328
>>54871346
>>54871332

Muh nuggas, picking up random company's minis for Song of blades and heroes is the comfiest shit.

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>>54871363

>>54871211
Sure, but we obviously haven't reached that point. The company that makes these models is actively promoting 2000 points as a standard game size, and those battalions don't fit into it. I don't see how you reached the conclusion.

>>54871392
Really though, How many of those games actually get played by people other than Salty WHFB players?

>>54871363
So this is the state of self loathing you have reach to play age of sigmar.

>>54871399
Actually, 1,500 seems to be the standard at all the tournies. But I think 2,000 will fit better with GHB2.

>>54871422
>Self-loathing
>Because I don't play X game off of a list paraded about by butthurt WHFB children

>>54871426
>at all tournies

That's the biggest anecdotal fallacy I have witnessed in months

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>>54871373
>Playing SoBaH and Frostgrave in the setting you and your buddies are using for your tabletop campaigns

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>>54871411
You're looking for kings of war if you want to make that accusation.

>>54870927
Go add up the cost for a 2000 point fyreslayer infantry army.

>>54871443
It's because you're playing, and defending, and shilling online for free, games workshop's rape baby.

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>>54871411

Out of any game I'd say Kings of War probably better fits the disenfranchised Fantasy players angle you seem keen to play up on. Even then it seems a good game.

Why does it bother you so much?

>>54871464

#respect

>>54870819
It's a classic but I wouldn't want five in one army. The monopose nature of the kit would get pretty obvious and jarring.

>>54871485
Because Nobody ever gives a good reason why I should play SoBaH or Frostgrave, besides "Oh it's like Fantasy"

And when I mention why I should even play it over AoS you just get people like >>54871481
Acting like a /v/tard for me somehow picking the wrong wargame to back.

I mean let's be honest. You don't play Frostgrave because it's unique and new and you found it on your own did you?

>>54871117
the pose and composition between rider and mount haven't been studied at all: at the angle where the mount is best visible, the rider is covered, while when you try to focus on the rider, the mount looks awkward.
the wings cover the silhouette of the dragon in most angles, not to mention that it tries to strike a solid stance while almost tip toeing on frail ruins.

the armour design doesn't help either.

>>54871515
Mate, neither of these games is in the slightest like WHFB. Like, at all.

>>54871515
You don't give a good reason to tell why you should play it. Especially as an age of sigmar player.
And it wasn't described as being like Fantasy, but just generic fantasy skirmish so stop acting as though it's the boogieman out to get you onto the dance floor.
>stop acting like a /v/tard
It's /v/irgin you fucking mong. Can't even get your insults right.

>>54871557
No, /v/tard is quite fitting, because you people sperg out when AoS is mentioned with your Total War:Warhammer knowledge of WHFB.

Frostgrave and SoBaH are Warband level of games. AoS allows for a much larger battle without needed to be regimented shit like WHFB is.

Which is why I prefer it.

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>>54871515

>Because Nobody ever gives a good reason why I should play SoBaH or Frostgrave, besides "Oh it's like Fantasy"

Think you might be mistaken, because they have little in common with Fantasy.

I play Song of Blades and Heroes because it's the simplest way of getting any miniature you want on the table. I have quite a mix of old miniatures and Reaper Bones and stuff, but don't want to prat about with something complex and dated like Realm of Chaos, and Mordheim is a bit limited to units of man-sized Warbands.

The rules make it fast to play too, they lend to playing a short campaign in an afternoon with minimal book-keeping. I like the risk-reward mechanic too, try to do too much with one guy and the momentum shifts to your opponent. The unit profiles are simple (two stats and special rules) and there's a free online calculator, so if you don't think any of the profiles you find in the books do your new Giant Badger model justice, you can plug in what you want and get a points value.

>>54871591
>I prefer an inferior version of Lord of the rings
If you wanted really larger battles without ranking up your men because you just really hate your back, then 40k already exists. It has existed for decades.

>>54871591

>AoS allows for a much larger battle without needed to be regimented shit like WHFB is.

Sounds like you'd enjoy Lord of the Rings, much better mechanically than AoS

>>54871591
>cludigy shoving a disordered mess of toys around in piles.
>try and measure whether someones in your half an inch to any point on the model close combat range.
>i prefer it
you might as well drink piss

>>54871641
>>54871624

>LotR
>Good

Do you people even remember LotR well? The game was basically "And your heroes win" when you were playing either Evil or Good.

>>54871321
>look, guys, sunday roast is never coming back, so shut up and eat this shit rather than going elsewhere

0.6 sigmardollars have been added to your account, brave marketing associate! Keep it up!

>>54871591
>>54871620
Somebody asked for a Generic Fantasy Skirmish and he got it. Now you are sperging out like the mongoloid retard you are. SKIRMISH. Do you know what that means or do we have to explain it to you in simple words?

>>54871515
I play KoW because it's actually good.

>>54871023
>>54870977
i can't believe you faggots are still bitching about AoS. you've taken butthurt to a whole new realm of possibility. Like it or don't like it, whatever, just stop whining.

>>54871691
>6th edition WHFB with all the fun completely and totally removed.

Yeah, no it's not.

>>54871668
>and your heroes win
So you've never played lord of the rings.
Heroes were better off as a buff to your troops and to manouver them around better.
Big hitters like Aragorn cost too much and were matched it combat prowess by cave trolls who were cheaper. Shit, Harad was so good at shooting they had to get nerfed and the mahud raiders were absolute rape.
Unless you're one of those dumb fucks that just ran his orcs forward with no plan, in which case no shit the heroes won.

>>54871591
GW deliberately sacrifice anyone over 13 with the spastic-tier rules because it would be more profitable to get the kiddies back in.

"Adults" like you prefer it anyway.

Pretty crazy when you fall below the intellectual standard that even GW ascribes to your demographic.

>>54871668
I remember it, because I still play it.

It is by far the best system GW has ever made. In fact, comparing it to AoS is straight up wrong, because AoS takes literally none of the good stuff from it.

>>54871023
I play both, partly because I'm miniatures-crazy and buy shit all the time because I want to paint it, and partly because while stuff like Dragon Rampant or ASoBH is easier and cheaper to get into, getting a game outside of a regular friend group can be tough, and I move fairly frequently

>>54870757
These boxes were made with the new Alliance rules in mind. They are not supposed to be playable on their own.

>>54871699
>I can't rely on magic or big monstrous heroes, instead I have to manouver
>this is not fun

>>54871023

>the bloke in the background leaving his mates to get btfo

always gives me a chuckle

>>54871712
>Mentions Harad

Literally no Evil force was useful outside of Harad, and everything was propped up by Bullshit Nazgul shit.

Go ahead, Try playing against shit like Dwarves or even Gondor as a Mordor Orc army without Nazgul.

So, for the record, I don't actually play AoS, but I was curious about the models and checked out the threads.

All the people against it, why are you even in this thread? And why the need to evangelicise how bad it is? Why not just ignore it and play the games you like and not try to tell each other you're wrong for having fun with your game of choice?

>>54871668
People rarely played expensive heroes outside of story scenarios in LotR.

But an AoSkiddie wouldn't know that.

>>54871737
>Game is about Fantasy
>It's actually a Pseudo-Historical with all the fantasy elements being fucking shit.

Yeah....but the lore is still shit

>>54871737
>Big Monsters, magic or Heroes are not allowed to be fun and interesting.

>>54871741
What does the OP post say, dude?

>>54870473
>Is AoS finally playable?

This thread is a quite literally created as a discussion regarding the quality of the game. If OP wanted a circlejerk of praise he'd have gone to their General.

>>54871741
Because they might want cut price models for what they were intended for, WFB? Or for a different fantasy system?

>guh why..why do you have to have an opinion? dur dont have a different opinion than what BASED nuGW wants you to think, just be quiet, you hurty me

You absolute shit tier mong.

>>54871035
Fuck you! Barrow Lords is an awesome name!

>>54871741

OP literally asked if the game was playable, it was an open-ended question.

>>54871740
>dwarves
Fuckers have no movement, use mounted trackers to harass off objectives and used uruks led by Shagrat or the black guard to pick finish them. A troll doesn't hurt either, mordor has the best trolls.
>Gondor
Use the bolt thrower, or use two. Protect them with furied orcs while morgul knights led by gothmog flank his ass. Stalkers sneak in and kill his archers.
In the words of Biggie Smalls "Come on mother fuckers come on".

>>54871779
No, no, say it properly.

>Deathrattle Barrow Lords

>>54871784
So.... use fucking heroes?

>>54871752
>historical games play better
>it's bad to take their good aspects

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>>54871741

>I'm not an AoS fan but how dare you attack AoS
>did I mention I'm not an AoS fan! Honestly...

>>54871103
There seems to be a higher focus on God-aligned units, while unaligned seems to be weaker, yes. However, Varanguard are the top-tier of chaos and they are unaligned, or rather they abandoned their god-alignment for Archaon alignment. Which honestly makes more sense.

>>54871798
I figured if I didn't preface it with that, it'd instead be "hurrrdurrrAoSkiddie"

but the net result was pretty much the same anyway

>>54871813
>Varanguard
>Top tier
Lol

>>54871794
>to bolster your strategy further, these heroes support these troops well
>FUCKN i said it heroes win all time ffagd fyuck DA HEROES WIN GAEM THEMSELVES

Nigga you are reaching so fucking hard here.

>>54871777
You know you only undermine your arguments when you resort to infantile namecalling and insults.

I mean let's be real here. I get it. You hate AoS because for some reason who feel personally slighted that GW did something with their own stuff that you didn't like.

So now you run around in these sort of threads, trying to hate on everyone who may actually like AoS because it's a symbol of GW "Betraying you"

Nothing stops you playing WHFB editions you like, nothing stops you playing Frostgrave or Heroes or Open Combat with your old WHFB models or KoW too.

But to ignore the issues with other games while purposely spreading shit about AoS just because of some autistic vendetta is just pathetic.

Play games you like, Don't play games you dislike.

>>54871824
Well, he is sort of correct, Evil besides Harad are pretty fucking shit in LotR unless they abuse Nazgul.

Why is GW trying to kill any and all creativity focus in their games? Are BIG MANDATORY CENTERPIECE units and NAMED HEROES that overshadow any possible build-your-own options really that much more profitable?

>>54871852
AoS has almost totally done away with named heroes besides a few God Units, which only rarely get played because they cost like a third of your army.

>>54871794
In conjuction with your troops, yes.
Notice it's all about manouvering and smashing at the right time.

>>54871789
Deathrattle is the name of the faction dumb-dumb.

>>54871852
>Some of the best armies right now are Medium model count shooting armies with support

>Everyone is complaining about big monsters and named heroes

This thread as an AoS player makes me confused. Monsters are some of the WORST units in a shooting meta.

>>54871849
>Ruined something a like
No, ruined would have been introducing a new meme race. What GW did was straight up rape of a series that has existed for 30 years, gave the middle finger to everyone that was invested in it and enjoyed it, killed off all the original lore and said lol chaos hot the reset. Then turned it into a steaming pile of hot garbage that now has horrible asthetics, lore that is a complete laughing stock and the butt end of every joke in a hobby store, fantasy that's so high it's basically low level sifi and then act like it's so much better.

No AoS deserves to be moked and ridiculed for how aweful it is.

>>54871891
>>54871879
It's the marketing focus getting people confused for the most part. Especially with the same thing happening to 40K.

>>54871823
They ride on giant mutant horses of death and are some of the best weapon and armor chaos can make in mass. Sigmar made an entire type of Stormcast Chamber of Dragon Riders specifically to counter them.

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>>54871849
>if you don't like age of sigmar then you have a personal vendetta with games workshop
I should because of how they treat my favorite game.
My only hope is they'll at least reuse those rules down the line.

>>54871852
Holy shit, this is the most terrible of arguments since GW ambiguous lore of the Mortal Realms is to allow for maximum creativity!

>>54871901
Grow up.

It was a setting that was 30 years old that stopped developing when it was 5 years old. Nothing stops you playing games, roleplay campaigns or anything in the Old World.

To take it as a personal vendetta when you sound like you never even attempted to play AoS sounds like you're just an angsty child thrashing at something you dislike for no reason.

I mean what next, are you going to honestly try and say AoS is also a "Everyone fights in the middle" Game too? Just to push out more lies against a Wargame because of a setting you may or may not have even played in?

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>>54871931
Is not giving a shit and making the consumer do the work really allowing for creativity?

>>54871968
Jamal seems cool

>>54871907
Sure, let me just tar pit you with phinox guard and lay into you with shooting.

Or for chaos, I'll just tar pit you with chaos warriors, then lay into you with a magma Cannon or a hell Cannon and then lol as your vsran guard get dropped.

>>54871967
>grow up
>you dislike this for no reason
Neither of these are arguments and the second point is blatantly false.

>>54871968
Wait.

So GW is forcing the consumer to do all the work in creating their own armies and characters, but is also holding back the creativity through centerpiece models and named characters.

>>54871967
Being this butt hurt that aos has shit lore.

Next your gonna defend sigmar paling up with a random dragon as he floated through space right?

Lol your lore is shit.

>>54871995
Yes, you have next to nothing to base your force on so good luck making fluffy lists.
Also make sure it includes these big dudes.

Deciding factor:
Which game allows for more human on elf impregnation sex?

>>54871967
For the record the game is decent if you just wanna throw dice around

>>54871991
>>54872011

What is blatantly false? Try using your words instead of trying to dismiss people with phrases.

You act like a fucking child, don't get grumpy when people treat you like one.

Fact is, I quite enjoy AoS. It;s got the typical GW troubles of some units are pretty badly balanced and the rules can be a little shaky, but that's a price to pay when it's not barebones like other games and not a total autistic game for tourney tryhards like Warmahordes feels like.

As for the Fluff, I've currently been enjoying painting and designing my own Fyreslayer lodge, a new take of Dwarves that I find pretty refereshing and very Farfnir like.

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>>54872011
>Next your gonna defend sigmar paling up with a random dragon as he floated through space right?

Sounds pretty cool to me.

>>54872021
What if I want a fluffy list based off of those Big guys.

Say a Warherd army made of Minotaurs, Ghorgons and Cygors.?

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>>54871967

>It was a setting that was 30 years old that stopped developing when it was 5 years old.

Bollocks. Absolute bollocks.

Besides, in the old days "fluff" was BL stories and general tidbits of information that built up into an interesting world.

Now GW seems to think that fluff is shitty "narrative" books where the main characters run around the whole world/galaxy and do things like the End Times and Gathering Storm. Other than living in general struggle we know fuck all about the daily life of a normal human in the Mortal Realms, there's no room for it inbetween dull stories of shiny men vs. daemons.

>>54872045
>what is blatantly false?
>you just don't like it for no reason
>I don't like it because of what it did to the setting and game I liked
How little object permanence do you posses?

>>54871995
yes, because on the one hand it created an almost infinite universe of empty land dominated by god like figures, on the other it offered no basis for creating your dudes, crunch wise or lorewise, on top of centralising practically everything around said god like figures.

all of your dudes are either going to be as characterised as the universe itself is, meaning very little, or have to go against the few established fluff to carve a spot that's interesting enough.

>>54872057
How are they organized?
What would they look like?
Whom do they eat?
What areas do they haunt?
Used to be as simple as picking up an army book, but now not so much.

>>54872057
>Say a Warherd army made of Minotaurs, Ghorgons and Cygors.?
what's fluffy about listing the units of a faction?
what's your fluff for them?

>>54871280
Otherworld seem to have released a fantasy skirmish rules set... been meaning to have a look. Not sure how it plays.

>>54872045
It's a good game
>Other then the bad balancing
>Screwy rules

The lore is good
>Implying the fire slayers are better then even a fraction of the original dwarf lore

I don't care you like the game, that's fine I even said the game is decent. But the lore is objectively shit. We are not the ones calling anyone names you are, I'm just telling you the game you like has a shit story. You can continue to play your plastic shirtless, male power fantasy game, that has about bredth as a kiddy pool and not even close to the same amount of depth as one, just know it's a shit setting that's never has anything meaningful ever happen because all the battles happen in some random fuck place.

>>54870880
Night haunt is the exact same thing as a SC set but instead of a $100 model it's got a $20 model, so yeah they'd be cheaper.

>>54872117
>It's objectively shit

>You and other AoS haters can't even talk about it at all

See

>>54872105
>>54872087
>>54872084

You basically know nothing about it, yet hate it, because it "took" your WHFB setting away.

Except it didn't, because WHFB still exists outside of the full games itself and you're just raging impotently at GW for wasting their resources for you.

>>54872117
>Implying the fire slayers are better then even a fraction of the original dwarf lore

As a dwarf player, Yes, they fucking do.

Fyreslayers show a totally different outlook and culture to regular dwarves, while also remaining Dwarves.

Hell the Khadaron Overlords are another fantastic example.

If you're a Dwarf fan, AoS is fucking fantastic as the Dwarves in it are amazing.

>>54872053
It would be if the whole intire thing did not go as follow
>Sigmar floating in space
>Some random nigga dragon finding him
"Holy shit who are you? Does not matter hop on my back let's go on adventures and make a universe because I have sone this a few times now"

Wooooooooooo!!!

>>54871328
>>54871332
>>54871346
Not him, but I love SoBaH. Very solid game. I also play AoS. Those 2 games scratch my fantasy gaming itch. But I find myself playing more AoS because it's easier to find players for that. Not that I'm complaining.

>>54870658
Okay this one might actually be worth it, especially if Ally rules are going to make it easier to throw wizards into other order factions without breaking Allegiance.

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>>54872161

>If you're a Dwarf fan, AoS is fucking fantastic as the Dwarves in it are amazing.

>two-bit Slayers where the main plastic kit is a bit shit, and steampunk space marines

Are you on ket?

>>54872149
>whfb still exists
>no more support
>game is dead
>two armies are squatted
>but an rpg is coming out
Yeah, sure buddy.

>>54871015
These aren't meant to be the core of an army, GHB2 is making Allegiance rules more flexible so you can field allies from the shitty not-really-a-faction factions without breaking allegiance. For example, Beastclaw Raiders can probably add those two giants and still get Beastclaw Raiders rules.

>>54871321
It'll be back in 8 years when GW need to renew their ownership of the copyright for the setting.

>>54872187
>Image is called Norse Dwarves
>WHFB Dwarves have always been analogous to Saxons.

They're actually fantasy, And I pity the autistic crying manchildren who will never experience them again.

>>54872149
>You basically know nothing about it, yet hate it
I have read enough to be confident in saying I know more about it than most actual AoSfags

I hate it because it's a setting that has been driven to do the wrong decisions for marketing reasons
>because WHFB still exists
if it did, I'd have more than 2 years worth of new artwork, lore tidbits and setting exploration instead of the shitshow that was the end times, the excuse of a setting that is AoS and the constant pile of stormcasts designed in 2 hours by some intern copy pasting random armour plates together

why should I not be upset by finding out a hobby of mine has been ruined by bad marketing decisions?

>>54872182
thats exactly what the allies rules let you do

>>54872250
Have you tried growing the fuck up? Like legit, have you tried not being autistic enough to cry about this sort of shit, day in, day out for TWO YEARS?

Also, no, you haven't read anything about AoS, that much is apparent.

>>54872218
It's getting it's own RPG soon enough. GW just doesn't want to waste money on a mini game nobody would ever buy minis for.

>>54872271
>nu-uh!

>>54872258
Well yeah but we don't know WHICH Order armies will be able to take Collegiate allies, do we? Is it all of them? Just humans and Sigmarines?

>>54870575
holy fuck I just want a fucking goat man calm the fuck down

>>54872271
Not an argument.

>>54872289
>GW just doesn't want to waste money on a mini game nobody would ever buy minis for.
>AoS uses the WFB minis with different bases

>>54872271
>Complaining for 2 years
Because it's been shit since the star

>>54870975
How are Lord of Changes in AOS?

>Been working on my Daemonic Horde for 40K and might try to branch into AOS.

>>54872313
Most are still sold with squares so that's not entirely right.

>>54872250
You know the reason WHFB was canceled was nobody ever fucking bought anything from it right?

Between the rampant Piracy of the Books, to the countless upon countless cheaper alternatives to their rank and file, WHFB made no money because you could just buy cheap as shit alternatives and then GW got literally nothing out of making the setting push forward.

At the end of the day, GW is a business, you're expecting a business to purposely lose money just to appease people on the internet with scans.

>>54872313
AoS doesn't make you have 80+ rank and file soldiers and doesn't put easily alternative models in the forefront.

I mean people whine about tomb kings, They literally sold so little that the METAL SISTERS OF BATTLE are still being produced more than them.

>>54872330
So because of that it's better to remove the game altogether.
Brilliant.
The piracy was their own damn fault.
>$40 army book
>need more infantry than ever before, so of course they raise the prices again and lower the model count in the box

>>54872330

>No one bought stuff for it
Because it never got marketed you fucking autistic cum rag. You wanna know what drove sales up the most for fantasy? When they actually made good games for it. Like 90% of the people that came in looking for fantasy was because they played total Warhammer. It's fucking amazing what happens when you produce not shit quality marketing material.

Then next your gonna say "oh oh well AoS is doing better them fantasy" well no shit it is because all you had to do was sell a model kit a week and you would be doing better then fantasy because no one fucking marketed fantasy. Gw did not need to gut fantasy completely to get business.

Ready for the move that would have made it 10x better? Literally just say the sigmarines became a new faction as sigmar sent down his personal warrior to.fight chaos on the old world rather then be fucking autistic and blow the whole thing up.

>>54872387
>>54872368

>GW was too expensive and badly marketed! They needed to spend more money on the game that was effectively dead.

This is why none of you run companies.

>>54872330
>You know the reason WHFB was canceled was nobody ever fucking bought anything from it right?
Now take a deep breath and try to think of what was the reason for that.

>I mean people whine about tomb kings, They literally sold so little that the METAL SISTERS OF BATTLE are still being produced more than them.
if that was the only deciding factor of what units to keep selling and what units to scrap I want to see you defending giant bats and the hobbit line.

>start releasing all their games (total war, eternal crusade, deathwing, vermintide)
>immediate massive lore changes before new people even know whats going on

How could gw be so stupid? Eternal crusade is already outdated fluff wise and it isnt even fucking out. Now there are 40k and fantasy fans outright telling people they shouldn't start an army. What will eternal crusade marine players (all seven of them) think when they find out the faction they like is actually old now and being replaced?

>>54872325
They're pretty great, not good enough to field 3 of them unless its like a 3k point game but they're deff good enough to run one as your leader.

>>54872413
>Giant bats

Some people still fucking buy them.

>Hobbit

A bad fucking deal with the Tolkien estate.

So if Be'lakor is a human, or was, and to him the magic of the elves is young, doest that mean that elves and humans are the same race but the elves are those humans uplifted by the old ones?
Would explain why they can reproduce with one another.

>>54871669
Make your own game. GW is not obliged to be a service for its legacy players.

>>54872416
Fucking this.

>>54872330

Age of Sigmar didn't put a stop to book piracy.

>>54872411
>marketing is bad
>not pricing $120 for a 40 man horde of empire state troops is bad
Is this meth?

>>54872441
Side note apparently LoTR is fucking huge in the UK like people love it over there I guess

>>54872416
>>54872455

You know whats funny?

This sounds alot like the reverse of people complaining about Marcel and their cross-promotion of events.

As for with GW, GW don't see the games as direct cross promotion, they see them as separate Warhammer entities just like the Pnp RPG.

So are you complaining GW is not bowing down to their cross promotion and make everything in the hobby like the video games?

Because you know what? Fuck them.

>>54872411
>This is why none of you run companies.

Haven't you noticed that since GW has started listening to the fanbase and doing the following it has seen tremendous incomes?
>specialist games
>community contact
>box deals
>attention to minor factions
>balancing efforts

but surely it was because of the sigmarines and people know jack shit of what they want or are willing to spend their money on.

>>54872486
You know it was the same people who are doing BOTH listening to the community AND sigmarines right?

GW doesn't need to bend over for people like you, Go play other shit and stop bothering people.

>>54872441
>implying giant bats sold more than any TK kit
>implying lotr sells more than whfb in its dying state

this is why everyone thinks aosfags are retarded

>>54872444
>doest that mean that elves and humans are the same race but the elves are those humans uplifted by the old ones?
no, it means that the writer is a hack.

>>54872521
... I didn't say lotr sells more than WHFB did you fucking moron.

And fuck, They obviously did or they're cheap as shit to keep around compared to TK.

>>54872484
there should literally be adds in games workshop games for minis lol. I Play vermintide with people who dont actually know what warhammer is and think they are just killing rats. This is the only gw game this could possibly happen on though.

>>54871023
Cool Troll? Whats he from?

>>54872411
>Give a game no support, instead focusing on 40k
>Make a dumpsterfire of a new edition complete with army books written by hacks
>Surprised when it dies
How could this happen? Surely it's because the IP is simply unmarketable. That's gotta be it. Only reason. Better scrap it. God knows GWs previous CEO was known to be a paragon of good business decisions.

>>54872501
>Sigmarines saved GW, honest
If you don't like dissenting opinions you should stay in the designated shitting thread.

>2017
>AoS fags still exist

>>54871271
It works with somethings by just creative painting, but other things not so much.

>>54872297
Ah, fair enough. Have to wait and see I suppose.

>>54872544
Virmin tide is fucking great, I only wish deathwing would have been a 40k version of it.

>>54872501
>You know it was the same people who are doing BOTH listening to the community AND sigmarines right?
wrong, sigmarines were a marketing decision of the old management, the new management has introduced the previously listed instead AND are left with having to care over the abortion left by the old management.

incomes spikes are directly correlated with 40k releases, while they don't show up for sigmarines releases.

>>54872416
>Play TW
>FOAR ZEE LADIEE
>want to start bretonnian army
fuck

>Play TW campaign and want to start an army with Grimgor as the leader
fuck

>Play TW empire campaing
>Go to buy normal empire knights/rekisguard
fuck

>>54872571
I honestly thought they would use the same engine and re-skin shit to a degree. There would have been nothing wrong with that. Instead its black screen/walking simulator

>>54872586
The deathwing game is alright Imo the single player is great but I feel like what happened was during it's creation about half way through the producers said they needed multiplayer in the gwme. The multiplayer feels super thrown together. Also it needs internal balancing with weapons and load oits. Great for the campaign, kinda shit everywhere else

>>54872541
My bad, I thought the attached side note was still a post of yours.

>they cost less to mantain
wouldn't explain why similarly priced, but higher quality resin sculpt were removed too, or do you want to say that ushabtis sold less than bats?

>>54872582

I feel like a lot of this shit is overstated. I mean, all my non-40k playing friends got into DoW and they took some interest in the game but saw the prices and the fact you had to assemble them and paint them yourself and said 'nope no ty'

not that everyone will experience that but I don't see a tide of new players from these things (video games).

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WHERE IS MY 6+ DEMIGRYPH BOX?!?!?

GEE DOUBLEYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

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>>54872658
FUCKING THIS
START COLLECTING! DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS WHEN GW?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>54872582
As someone who played warhammer in his early teens and left it soon after, I loved the games. I loved the lore too. Especially dawn of war. But no matter the urge of wanting or fancying getting back into it, one look at the prices turned me away again.

The only exception is BB where the army compositions were tiny by comparison and the prices were a steal compared to fantasy or 40k. No regrets, still playing bb since the first vidya.

>>54872582
No one played bretonnia, you can still get grimgor just not on their site, and everybody makes knights/rekisguard.

>>54872686
>still playing bb since the first vidya.
What team?

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>>54872672
Reminder that stormcuck chocobo mounts (pic related) are pale imitations of glorious righteous demigryphs.

>>54872686
Blood Bowl is the best GW IP right now because they literally can't fuck it up with dumb lore changes.
>A new generation of players trained by the returned coach of the Reavers to be stronger than the last
>Reikland Rever Linesmaris Men

>>54872724
>No one played bretonnia

>No new releases
>No new rules

gee, I wonder why those guy that played bretonnia since the start don't buy new models for their new army or why those new players don't choose bretonnia when there're all those factions that are actually viable and just got new plastic models.

>>54870598
These'd make decent death cult assassins with a bit of greenstuff

>>54872735
Gobbos, Ogres and Chaos.

>>54872755
They actually kept the old lore AND added to it. Their BB writer is a genius. Ripper the star Trolls lack of really stupid was explained by wizard therapy. Following day he went fron your average dumb troll to a refined well spoken Gentleman. . The feel and humour is kept and expanded on so neatly.

>>54870473
I'll wait to skim through the book before answering.

>>54872748
obvious falseflagging aside, those mounts are objectively the best design coming out of the stormcast releases.

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>>54872748

>>54872790
Exactly. Thanks to the tone and general schtick of the setting it cannot be ruined in the same way. The profit for blood bowl doesn't lie in stupid power creepy nonsense, it's in new teams and secondary shit. It's perfect and safe. I wish they'd focus less on monopose stuff though. I want a box of mutations and shit. I'll also miss the Slann but Kislev circus is rad.

>>54871891
non aos players shitting up the thread obv.

>>54872830
its literally got a tzaangor's head m8

>>54870473

Would these smaller faction boxes be good for someone whose only interest in Age of Sigmar is the 25-50 renown Skirmish stuff?

Yes, yes, I've had the spiel about "You need only the models you have!" But I very specifically want Shadow War: Sigmar levels of play.

>>54872890
yeah or get kits that have multi use.
For example if you get ungor, they can have bows, spears or shields. So you can make lots of different dudes from 1 box.

Same with savage orcs, some free peoples stuff, skinks, etc.

>>54872748
That's actually cool, I want some big birds.

>>54872907

It's like GW actually cares about people like me now.

>>54872859
Yeah thats the real charm of the fluff. So simple in concept and the cute innocently ott humour. What a great setting.

I think what they are doing now is still rolling out their teams. Id say they havent reached even 50% progress yet in terms of miniature range so sadly we wont get extra add ons till much later. That said, ya I loved the Kislev angle.

Also while I only read it from another anon on /tg/, supposedly Specialist Games is knocking things out of the park so regardless that only means good things.

>>54871891
How are ogres?

>>54872325
Having to cast before you move is a big hindrance to combat magic in aos, a LoC however is much much more powerful in aos compared to 40k regardless of that.

>>54872330
You have to be a while other level of retarded to believe what you just wrote. Piracy hasn't gone anywhere, if anything it's easier than ever to get hold of rulebooks etc.The reason nobody bought WHFB was because GW killed it by constantly rewriting the rules to sell more and bigger plastic kits, but never once managed to actually put out a decent edition.
The only reason AoS is doing comparatively well is because it's being pushed as totally different, when all that's different about it is that they've stopped trying to force a minimum game size and have stripped out all of the lore and character from the range and replaced it with marvel tier action figures. Once the shine of new toys wears off and the fact that it's still the same broken, bloated, power creeping rule set designed to do nothing but sell more toys starts to settle in, it will go the same way.

>>54872755
>because they literally can't fuck it up with dumb lore changes.

They could introduce a stormcast team.

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>>54872865
It's literally a demi hippogryph with horns sculpt in an actually dynamic pose
says enough about the designs of the rest of the army

In a better world it would have had a different role than being a mount for sigmarines

>>54872940
Not him but from what I know you want to be careful of no-save attacks and they have a really bad time of getting tarpitted. They are decent though from what I hear just you got to work with a number of weaknesses. I mean a night goblin (non cheese or gunlibe too) army won a tournament recently so dont see why ogres cant.

>>54870598
muh dick

>>54872996
They've have to have an End of Bowl event first. It's still in the Old World.

>>54872486
>surely it was because of the sigmarines
>SCE are the best selling army line
>somehow now responsible for profit
hmm

>>54872907
Nice. How are the Skirmish and Path to Glory ? Is any of them like old Mordheim ?

>>54872996
Funny thing is that could actually work.

0-16 linenen
0- 6 Stormcast
0- 2 Throwers

60k RR

>>54872996
>introduce sigmarines without destroying the setting and redesigning their armour to fit in blood bowl

imagine all the in setting banter of the factions bullying the new arrivals

Stormcast eternal
M ws bs s t w I a ld
4" 3 3 3 4 2 4 2 8
Heavy armor, shield.
Blessed armor - the armor save of the stormcast eternal cannot be lowered by enemy strength.
Sigmarite Warhammer - magic weapon.
15 points a model.

>>54872995
I don't know what's the meta in AoS (or if there's even one), but fuck GW for those shifts in WHFB. It went from Herohammer to Hordes everywhere to Magic to Big Monsters. Maybe in another order, but it was a pain in the ass at each new edition.

>>54870598
I'll be getting this just for that bloodwrack medusa.
>you'll never be a blind man cast away into their pits for reproduction

>>54873031
They are basically the only army line being sold, what with them being the one with the most attention, the most releases and the better rules.

compared to anything coming out of 40k, they sell like crap.

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>>54873072
Stormcast Eternal
M ws bs s t w I a ld
1" 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1
Pigfat movement, shield.
Blessed samecast armor - the armor of the stormcast eternal looks the same as all the other stormcast eternals. Wounds are always randomly allocated because all rook da same.

Pigfat Movement - Stormcasts are too fat to move quickly. They cannot run or charge. Only take charges.

Sigmarite Warhammer - magic weapon.

Eternal Faggotry - Stormcasts never need to take leadership tests, because why not?

10 points a model.

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>>54871052
Then why use an existing term they can't copyright in Aelves?

>>54873135
wtf i hate stormcast now

>>54873177
>now

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Sneak peek at the new khorne berserkers.

>>54872576
>incomes spikes are directly correlated with 40k releases, while they don't show up for sigmarines releases.
I bet the warhammer fantasy fans did this! Why can't they just get over it and help us make GW dosh?

>>54873049
Not exactly in terms of rules (though they are simple thankfully), but Skirmish is nice and quick. Dirt cheap to get into too.

Path to Glory is like the old Chaos one from White Dwarf except you have a CHOICE to either pick what you want from your respective charts or roll for them. It's pretty cool.

>>54873072
I said from the start Stormcast should have been introduced in End Times, less people would have bitched about AoS

Whenever Karl franz died fighting Nurgle or whatever he should have cried out some desperate prayer that summoned creatures of light and thunder to drop down and start wrecking shit, they would have been a good counter to the Maggoth lords and the Stormfiends but lore wise and in-game

But instead they went with what they did, the shittiest launch for a game ever, and i say this as someone who enjoys aos today

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>>54873003
>Despise AoS
>Actually quite like the big demigryph thing
>Wouldn't mind converting it into some kind of Bretonnian Questing Beast
>Bretonnia's gone

Well never mind I guess.

>>54873309
Getting rid of the old world and moving to rounds was entirely unnecessary, both games use the same models and technically the same bases.
Age of Sigmar as a ruleset can easily be used to ease new people in and then once their collection grows they can play fantasy.
It just seems like a waste.

>>54870915
You misunderstand what these are. They discount reboxing of a collection of models. A while back GW promised investors they wouldn't lower prices on current SKUs of models. However lower prices have been good for sales, so what they do is bundle some models older models from a faction and offer them at a discount. 40k did this earlier this year with the Transport+Unit boxes for most factions. So calling these boxes an "army" would be like calling a Rhino and ten Space Marines an army. Start Collecting boxes have more models and even they aren't generally considered an "army" all on their own.

That's said you ARE correct in that some armies are very low model count. You can play a full army of Beastclaw Raiders with just a dozen models. But that's a conscious choice when you go for one of the big monster factions. If you want a horde, for gameplay or aesthetic reasons, that option is also available.

>>54870575
Are beastmen finally good?

>>54873449
Isn't the cauldron of blood a lord/hero?
It's technically an army.

>>54873308
I'll have a look at it, thanks Anon.

>>54873469
A bit mediocre on the lower scale so I heard but Warherd (the Minotaur army) absolutely RIP AND TEAR if they get a charge off. They're average but if they get the charge, nothing is standing in their way.

>>54873469
theyre not bad

minotaurs die pretty easily but they can easily charge 12" and hit like trucks

>>54873469
They preform exactly how you would expect them to
So they're not that good, and in fluff, skaven stole their position as jobbers of chaos, so now they're DOUBLE jobbers

>>54872187
You also have the Dispossessed who are getting support in GH 2017. So three (four if you count the Legion of Azgorh) very distinct dwarf factions.

My only problem with AoS is the fluff and I stopped reading that almost a decade ago anyway. I don't need GW's permission to hobby however I want and a lot of the old written material is available thanks to the Internet.

>>54873504
2 of which are shit
Fire slahers, and steam squats, I mean dwarf. Gw had a good opertunity with the steam dwarfs but just way over designed them to the point of stupidity, I mean fucking mustache guns. If you unironicly think this is a good idea you are not helping your case for AoS having not shit lore.

>>54873720
I think they're good as a contrast to more traditional dwarves. If you're going to have more than one faction of them they should be doing something different. Overlords do that.

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>>54873767
Dawi Zar did it better.

>>54871968
redpill me on the "brushpriming is bad" meme

>>54870957
>winning in Age of Sigmar is like winning in the special olympics.

I mean, at the end of the day, you're still retarded?

>>54874123
>visible brush strokes
>varying thickness
>GW's own paint primer is worthless.

The rules are still garbage, but they have nice looking starter options at least.

>>54871784
>mordor has the best trolls
had

>>54874338
It's what most people prefer. The days of people getting excited over phonebooks of rules are gone.

>>54874484
What, did Zombiezog's bootleg uruk-hai somehow get access to a stronger troll?
Because fight/strength/defense 7 for 100 points was already pushing it.

>>54870473
No it's still a baby's frst wargame trash tier game like its counterpart 8E.

Some of the box sets might be useful for conversions for superior games such as 7E 40k, Horus Heresy and Hordes but that's about it.

>>54874496
It's more that the gameplay itself requires very little in the way of thinking, and continues annoyances such as TLoS , expanding them to the point where bases can overlap because. But as a beer and pretzels deal it can suffice. I have no issue with simple rulesets, just their content.

>>54870473
Is it just me or are AoS fans primarily burgers? As a bong the WHFB scene was big in my area but I haven't seen anyone play AoS.

>>54874667
Same I never see anyone playing it

>>54874667
Was pretty much the only dominant game at my store (germany) ever since the GHB came out, until 8th Edition dropped now I dont see people playing it. It might just be that people are pissed with double-turn tailored armies and are busy playing 8th edition as its clearly whats in focus right now the last big AoS release was like 2 months ago

>>54874943
those people will get frustrated by first-turn armies in 8th

40k is actually pretty shitty, but maybe the codexes and chapter approved will fix it

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>>54873389
Bretonnia can live on in our hearts and on our glorious heraldry, Anon.

>>54875019
That's almost not awful. Still too XBOX HUEG for my liking though.

>>54874650
I'm just saying that most people don't have the attention span for complexity.

>>54874979

they already spoiled the new First turn rule from CA and some play with that rule.

Its also significantly different in AoS where you can an entire Army Battalion as a single drop and give your opponent first turn when theyre mostly out of range for everything

>>54872228

WHFB has the Saxon dwarves as their mainstay. There are also some dwarf holds in Norsca, the 'Norse Dwarfs' of the setting, with a slightly different culture.

>>54870812
Anon, buying the box is cheaper than buying them seperately.

So how much are these boxes anyways?

>>54874123
>>54874256
As this poster illustrates, if you're a bad painter using primer you need to use skills you lack to apply generally doesn't turn out well

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reminder that stormcast turn you gay fast

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>>54873389
STORMCAST ORIGINAL CONTENT (C) DO NOT STEEL

>>54874667

Yeah, there is literally zero AoS scene in East Yorkshire.

>>54874529
Gundabad ones tower over the Mordor variety. Got stats of 7's and 8's and an extra wound over the Mordor ones. One of their weapon options also does D3 wounds per wound inflicted. 120pts

Thats just the basic version

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>>54870473
>Spider Grot box
Oh holy fuck. I've been wanting to do them since forever. It even comes with a giant spider

>>54870598
>Wych cult DoK
Jesus fuck. AoS, please... I...

>>54870619
>New Night Haunts aka the army I almost impulse bought before they changed their faction in GH
>mfw

Oh God... Pls send help

>>54875990
That's disgusting.

>>54875019
The proportions are shit
The brestplate are also shit
The pauldrons are too horizontal

>>54876084
>54876084
The creep is real. Dale are just better Numenoreans

I don't have any real problems with Stormcast. They are just the Order version of Chaos Warriors.

>>54876494
except infinitely less cool

>>54876508
That's subjective. I don't consider Chaos Warriors cool anymore, for the same reason that I don't consider metal to be cool anymore.

>>54876540
>Good guys
>Heavy armor
>Even the archers have heavy plate armor
>Have bolter crossbows
>No weaknesses

gay

>>54872063
>Jew-Elf-Low Pools

kek

>>54876458
Really? They seem too anemic and their only lords are Girion and Generic Captain.

>>54877058
What a great time to be a kid getting into the hobby this must be.