Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1667: Time Travel Edition

>>54808338
Is it possible for us to add species to our empire post-jump?

>>54808355
Oh yeah, I can add that easily while I'm still here.

>>54808360
They already do with the Hivemind Perk.

>>54808428
It was meant more like you had to switch out with them so even though you could have like a hundred powers you still have to switch between them, but honestly I just realized Sylar never had to do that in canon. However I think I'll keep it for non-Heroes powers.

>>54808440
Basically if you're trying to learn magic that your body is completely incapable of learning then you could shift yourself, if it's based on the soul however, you'd need to get a good look at the soul instead. If the power is based on something like their genetics then you'll need to study that instead of their brain.

>>54808530
Yes.

>>54808544
I'm thinking of lowering the cost a bit to like 600 CP now. I'll need some more opinions though.

What are some jumps with clowns?

Real clowns, not people dressed like them.

>>54808604
Aren't all clowns just people dressed like clowns, when you think about it?

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SHOW ME YA THRONE ROOMS.

>>54808604
Soul Eater

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Alright does anyone have a list of training perks, can you please show me?

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>>54808604
That's it, I'm making a Kiss Psycho Circus Jump

jk i'm lazy

>>54808604
Aren't all people just clowns dressed like people, when you think about it?

>>54808680
The real clowns were the friends we made along the way

I need a pic of magical girl goku. Or some other highly recognizable not-a-magical-girl character.

>>54808660
do you need perks that help you training or perks that help you training others?

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>>54808604
space station 13, soul eater, Hero BBS

>>54808625
Throne rooms are for fancy folks And figureheads. I've got a office like a real leader

>>54808706
Both would be good but mainly looking for self-training ones atm.

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Toss me a techy jump with adventures

>>54808601
Can Spacetime Manipulation or other forms of time travel be used to go to specific time periods even with Displaced in Time, with the drawback still making it hard to stay in one time period? If you can't you effectively don't get to interact with the plot, except by improbably small chance.

Also, would you consider putting some of the rules of Hiro style time travel in the notes?

>>54808537
>Only works in places that explicitly allow time travel as part of their cosmology.
Nope, that was changed, you dumbass.

>>54808723
Armored Core

>>54808694
So... You want a sailor super saiyan soldier Goku? That's a disturbing mental image.

>>54808723
Asura's Wrath or Destiny

>>54808723
Rick and Morty

>>54808723
Custom robo for tournament arcs.

gundam for politics

Metroid for Birb imoutos.

>>54808723
rick and Morty or blame!

>>54806783
>>54807298
>>54807760
>Items and Equipent
Some of these aren't items and some should be buffed heavily, increased in price, and added to the Cheats section. Did I mention the Cheats section needs more options?

>Items - Human
Dimensional Storage, more of a power than an item and would be better tied to Gamer than to an Origin. It is good that it is priced low though as while it is most tied to Game based ones it is very common in Isekai in general so it is reasonable to pick up even without a discount.

Smartphone, really? In Isekai where this is relevant it is part of a cheat. This is somthing that should just be included in any Cheats that could be used through one. On it's own it isn't worth paying CP.

Skill Orbs, these are somewhat weird. Not sure what to think of them and I can't think of any Isekai stories I have read that have something to compare them to.

>Items - monster
Radical accessory is fine, not that great of an item but not really bad either.

Territory is also fine, some land that will ward off anyone weaker than our group. Again fine but nothing particularly special either.

Absorptive Stomach is just something that might be a feature of your race and applying it to other alt forms. Not an item and not worth the price.


>Items - Sentient Item
Sheathe is an item with a minor healing effect, this is fine as a 100 CP item. Nothing good or bad to say about this one

Golem Formula, meh. You could easily get this in setting if it exists in setting. It is not horrible but this could be better or be something else.

Gacha is disappointing but its issues was gone over in length already in the thread the jump was originally posted in. Short version is buff, increase price, add to cheats.

cont.

>>54808601
>It was meant more like you had to switch out with them so even though you could have like a hundred powers you still have to switch between them, but honestly I just realized Sylar never had to do that in canon. However I think I'll keep it for non-Heroes powers.

So we'll have the ability to Sylar the Heroes powers, but post jump it'll be a library of our endeavors in-jump with Power Copying of out of jump powers?

As an aside, can we make use of our aptitude to use appropriate abilities to grant some of our library to others? As in use some form of biomanipulation to "graft" the Heroes-power ability onto a person.

>>54808734
It could, but you'd still have to spend a great amount of concentration just trying to make sure you don't throw yourself into the Stone Age. It's mentioned in the drawback.

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>>54808694
Enjoy your Goku Moon.

>>54808833
And the basic rules for Hiro style time travel?

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>>54808625
Knowing most jumpers it would always be like this

>>54808867
That picture is fucking horrifying.

>>54808740
Honest question for the thread... was that a good thing?

Do you want time travel to be a thing in all of your jumps, or would you prefer to keep time travel confined to universes where it already happens?

For that matter, do you generally pull out all your powers in response to the situations posed by jumps, or do you prefer to use magic to fight magic, tech to fight tech, and so on?

>>54808878
Two things concern me here:
One, somebody asked for it.
Two, I searched and found something that matched the request.

I think the latter is the most horrifying part.

>>54808895
>Honest question for the thread... was that a good thing?
Yes.

Is there anything like Anti-Chain Damage from NieR available in the chain?

>Turn invincible for 6 seconds after taking damage.

Because I don't really feel comfortable wanking the in-setting chips to be on that level. Could an Exalted Charm feasibly do it?

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>>54808904
It's not even a one-off

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>>54808723

Metal gear solid

>>54808895
It means fewer unnecessary limitations, of course it's a good thing.

>>54808723
Code Lyoko
Digital Devil Saga

>>54808723
ms paint future world.

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So here's the modified 1.5 of Stellaris. Not many changes really.

>>54808904
My problem is how fucking weird and happy the face looks, and the fact that he has tits.

>>54808921
A Super Mario Thing has a perk for that, although I believe it's only one second of invincibility. There's probably more like it in other platformer jumps.

>>54808895
I'm fine with it. Though there are surprisingly few instances in the chain where it'd actually be useful.

>>54808895
Personally I don't like it, as I don't like dimension traveling perks; for the simple reason that those are powers that should be limited for the spark or else it lose all meaning to get it.

>>54808937
We all have tits, brama.

>>54808895
I'd say it's more a neutral thing. Time travel adds a lot of complications to a narrative, but if people want to take on those complications I see no problem with it. It's not like it being available in the first place is a problem.

As for how I respond to threats, it varies. I usually try to blend in, with only subtle use of our of context powers in the background to enhance my performance. But sometimes you just have to go all out, whether because you need every bit of power you have to deal with a problem or just because you want to make a statement.

>>54808955
>implying the Spark has any meaning to begin with.

>>54808937
>My problem is how fucking weird and happy the face looks, and the fact that he has tits.

Just be glad I didn't grab the one that also had Tuxedo Mask Vegeta in it.

>>54808937
Those are pecs. Freakishly hypertrophied pecs, but pecs all the same. Goku's always had those. It's just more prominent with the tighter top.

>>54808980
If the spark stops having meaning, Jumpchain stops having any meaning.

>>54808992
Give.

>>54808998
Search google images for it. I'm not going to dive that deep ever again.

>>54808996
>If the spark stops having meaning, Jumpchain stops having any meaning.
Not really but it lose an end-goal and become a gradual powergrab

>>54808871
>That son of a bitch
NO! NO! NO!

>>54808955
I think the spark still has meaning so long as dimension traveling can't go cross-continuity. That way there's still meaning to the chain, still a point to going from world to the next along this path. Local multiverses where it's just alternate versions of a world are fine, it's when you can (just for example) leave Gundam and wind up in Harry Potter that it should be post-spark territory.

>>54808996
Jumpchain has whatever meaning you write into it. The spark is just a convenient McGuffin.

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>>54808625
Something like this, but magitech instead.

>>54808996
The journey is all the meaning it needs, the Spark was just an artificial wall behind which jumpmakers have locked content.

>>54808895
Personally I like the tourist options Time Travel opens up. I don't mind that most of the ones I know of, including Heroes, have a lot of trouble actually changing anything, because I just want to see all those ancient civilizations and see how they really lived, and maybe tease people using pictures of myself with historical figures.

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So jumpers, after Ronin Warriors comes out, what evil artifacts though-out the jumpverse should I turn into weapons for a team of <strike>teenagers with attitude</strike> highly trained military special forces?

>>54808895
I like time travel. I'll use it when I think it'll lead to something fun happening, but generally I try not to pre-emptively disarm any kind of conflict. Which is kind of an asshole thing to do, but I am one so...

Depends on the setting and where I stand in terms of powerlevels. I won't hold back if I'd still be in meaningful danger, unless going loud like that would invite even further scrutiny from beings I couldn't hope to deal with. When I'm safe and sound, I actively try to use things inappropriate for the setting. Like superpowers (costume included) in Dresden Files, or the most obnoxiously unreliable and purely subjective of chaos magics in places like Star Trek and Doctor Who.

>>54809027
>Local multiverses where it's just alternate versions of a world are fine
if you can travel to an infinite number universe in your local multiverse the spark has 0 sense

>>54809047
The Greater Grail in Fuyuki.

>>54808921
>Could an Exalted Charm feasibly... turn invincible for 6 seconds after taking damage.

Yes. In fact, there are charms that let you turn invincible for longer than six seconds, and without taking damage. Off the top of my head, consider Inevitability Without Finesse; it globally breaks Fate to guarantee that a single unaugmented attack hits, and then grants a perfect defence against everything until your next turn... on which you can use it again, if you don't mind racking up Paradox, and are confident that making otherwise-mundane attacks is the most useful thing you could be doing in combat.

>>54808723
Bubblegum Crisis 2032

>>54809079
>and are confident that making otherwise-mundane attacks is the most useful thing you could be doing in combat.

Humiliating a cosmic eldritch being by giving them an open-handed slap while they can do nothing can be worthwhile on its own.

>>54809072
"Infinite" is not the same thing as "all-encompassing". For example, there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2. 1.1, 1.11, 1.111, etc. But none of those numbers are 3, or even integers. You can have a set that contains an infinite number of things without it containing all possible things. So even if you had dimensional travel that could access an infinite number of universes, that doesn't mean the universe you want to go to is available.

>>54808937
Any chance of a End of Cycle scenario or other Crisis scenarios?

>>54808921
Sure, also you could take Infinity from Seven Deadly Sins to make an Exalted perfect defense last indefinitely. Making you invulnerable to anything that isn't even more Hax than the Supremacy of Defense.

>>54809130
No you couldn't. Infinity only works on spells, charms aren't spells. Spells are something completely different, in Exalted's system.

>>54809118
Same shit, at some point during your chain you could reshape a random planet in an x universe to be the same as any fictional world

Would Singularity from Jorge Joestar mean you don't/can't run into your past selves while time traveling?

>>54809130
Which is a lot of things, since outside of Exalted metaphysics perfect defenses are just very powerful defenses instead of conceptually perfect, since the Shinma aren't available.

>>54809156
Conjoined Conjures + Temple of Thought.

Boom. Charms are spells.

>>54809161
Except that anything you wanted to get from that universe wouldn't be there. And any wider world outside the local scale would also be absent. And it would take far more effort than just going to a parallel world.

>>54809156
No, they're not Sorcery. They're still distinct magical techniques, and thus "spells" in most reasonable interpretations. Also:

>http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52946736/#52947498

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>>54808604

What kind of clowns?

>>54809175
No? They would still be perfect anon. It is just that it is possible for something out of context to somehow get through them. They are still conceptual defense.

Things keep working outside of the universe they came from, PDs work outside of creation in setting.

>>54809118
This, pretty much. A power like that is like being able to hop between the different Worm worlds, while in Worm; it's neat to have, and you can exploit the hell out of it, but it won't take you beyond Scion's range.

>>54809175
That's an interesting point that isn't often addressed; how do you think cosmology impacts the applicability of your powers? Most people like to imply that it doesn't, and that anything you can do in one place can be done to full effect in another... but that may not always hold true. Thoughts?

>>54808723
Space station 13.
The adventure is preventing the station from being nuked.

>>54809177
Neither Conjoined Conjures nor Temple of Thought works that way.

>>54809220
I disagree with you, but I don't want to get into an argument and if Val says it's okay (even if I think it shouldn't be), that's that. It works.

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So some minor edits to make the text a bit more understandable in the Second Great Evil perks, the Items, and Blaze. All Drawbacks have names now...

Feedback would be nice.

>>54809156
Val said they count.

Of course that still wouldn't make Charms like that permanent, because those types of Charms don't have variable times based on how much power you put into them.

>>54809232
Okay, yes, they're still conceptual. Sorry, I made a mistake that I myself rather dislike and conflated "conceptual" with "absolute". That's my bad. My point is, outside the jump they're not a guarantee that you'll be safe against all attacks. They're still very good, but don't just walk up to an elder god and poke them for shits and giggles confident that there's nothing they can do to stop you. Always be as paranoid as possible, layer as many defenses on as you can.

>>54809232
They're still conceptual defenses that not a whole lot of people can get around, but I think his point is that since the Shinma enforcing Defense > Offense isn't a thing outside of Exalted settings breaking a PD is actually gonna be theoretically possible, Perfection be damned.

>>54809261
Motherfucker, I already acknowledged that. Are you so incensed that someone suggested that your unstoppable dick-waving combo wouldn't work that you're not even bothering to read the thread? Fuck you.

>>54809261
It should work on "scene length" Charms, regardless of whether it cost more or not, because a scene is of variable length on its own.

>>54809220
Solar charms are meant to be read as a game mechanics interpretation of the skills perfected by a Solar, not as a "distinct magical technique".

There's no such thing, in-setting, as a Heavenly Dividing Blow or whatever. There's just Solars who have perfected their swordsmanship to a level beyond what is humanly possible.

Does Cosmo count as magic... life-force, or is it its own thing?

>>54809312
This. Consider the number of abilities you, as a Jumper, can pick up which let you break through the 'perfect' defences of others. Now consider that it's a big multiverse, and that there exist entities who may have similar abilities, which they will use against you.

>>54809321
That doesn't feel like it really holds up given all the charms that exist.

>>54809338
I'd say it's probably closest to life force or chi, given its association to life and death. It's a primal energy of creation that resonates in living beings, that sounds pretty life force-y to me.

>>54809313
You stupid piece of shit, I said it wouldn't work. Are you fucking illiterate

>>54809316
There aren't any scene length PDs to my knowledge, though.

>>54809338
I'd consider it some kind of spirit energy.

>>54809321
Hilariously Overblown Naming Technique wouldn't be needed if that were the case.

>>54809321
Even though there are Charms that exost in-setting. Okay. And how the jumps themselves reference Essence expenditure, respiration, and Charm-use. And there are entire subsections in the books devoted to teaching and learning them. Yeah, bullshit they're not distinct magical techniques.

>>54809312
Things keep working out of setting as they do in setting, the Supremacy of Defense would still apply just there might be something in another setting that trumps even that.

To use the example other anon made I doubt a Lovecraft god would have too much difficulty getting around or through them with whatever suits them because they could probably just ignore something like SoD.

>>54809370
>You stupid piece of shit, I said it wouldn't work. Are you fucking illiterate
Eat a dick, felchmonger, I'm talking about how you "oh so helpfully" decided to chime in to tell me something someone already did. You patronising herniated asshole.

>>54809347
Fluff differs between splats. Solar charms may or may not exist as in-setting things (and they clearly exist even less in 3e than in 2e)... but then you have Sidereal charms, all of which were specifically designed by the Maidens, and most of which have existed for about as long as Creation has. The writing is inconsistent on the subject, leaving room for interpretation.

>>54809347
The Developers have been pretty clear on it, especially in 3E, but there are holes (as there is in all things Exalted)

>>54809321
I think that is a Third Edition thing, most people use Second Edition lore. Possibly mixing in a few things Third Edition did really well.

>>54809370
>There aren't any scene length PDs to my knowledge, though.
Not and against damage that I'm aware of either, I was mostly trying to clarify that it's not so much "more power = more time" as it is "variable time" that allows them to be made permanent.

That said, there are some quite useful scene length defenses, and some of them are perfect defenses against things other than damage.

>>54809386
>>54809389
Most of the current jumps are based on 2e, though.

>>54809381
No, they don't work as they do in the setting. The jumps are quite clear on that. They're still incredibly powerful, but can in theory be overpowered (not just circumvented and made invalid) by extremely strong magic or other supernatural abilities. Read the notes.

>>54809407
Why do people keep talking as if it has to be variable? The perk doesn't say anything like that.

Really, really, looking forward to this. Although I don't know which background I like more.

Keep on the good work!

>>54809420
No, that seems to be working in setting I think. Exalted Shinma don't auto trump every other setting and anons example of Lovecraft gods are things I agree would just smash through Exalted's shinma stuff even in universe.

>>54809389
2nd Edition was quite clear: Charms are distinct teachable/learnable patterns of Essence manipulation.

>>54809433
Whatever. I guess it doesn't matter how we define our terms. We're agreed on the endpoint, that's good enough for me. Nice talking with you, anon, I'm glad this ended peaceably.

>>54809130
Why not just use Solar Sorcery to get True Immortality? It always has some sort of hole, weakness, or maintenance requirement but if you used one that normally wears off with Infinity it would last forever.

Or you could just perfect it to the point where it doesn't have any limit, the writers did say that a Solar could eventually do it by virtue of being a Solar.

>>54809384
Considering your apparent intelligence level, maybe I should tell you it again?

>>54809407
Ah, okay.

>>54808895
Yes, it's a good thing. If you're the sort who doesn't want it, you won't use it anyway. Anything else is just meddling in someone else's single player game.

>do you prefer to use magic to fight magic, tech to fight tech, and so on?

I do tend to meet most jumps on their own terms. Most of the time I try and limit myself not just to the appropriate genre of powers, but to the powers I purchased in-jump. Perhaps in-jump powers amplified by out of jump perks. Occasionally that won't be feasible, occasionally I just plain want to stomp someone apart, and I pull out all the stops. Depends on what jump and what my plan is.

>>54809251
>>54809432

Shit forgot link.

>>54809456
>Considering your apparent intelligence level, maybe I should tell you it again?
No, you've made the fact that you're an asshole quite clear by now. Don't worry, everyone here gets it.

>>54809379
Here's the thing I don't get. Whilst the techniques themselves are often called 'magic', which is a really big term, but never spells to my knowledge as they are expressions of chi/ki/spiritual energy/etc. being used with skill and as such aren't really spells as much as supernatural abilities. Why has this not been pointed out?

>>54809433
>Lovecraft god
Could they break through the Blessings of the Endless?

>>54809481
Because Val apparently said that they count as spells for purposes of Infinity. Which I think is silly, but if she's okayed it, then we just have to deal with it.

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>>54809469
>>54809432
Thanks Anon. Got any requests or suggestions for me?

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>>54808694
How's this?

>>54809481
They don't really feel like supernatural abilities to me. It's an energy source with a defined, learnable set of techniques that utilise that energy source. Seems the same as spells using magical energy to me.

>>54809498
Probably not, if we're talking about Lovecraft Cosmic horror #7. The Endless are hideously strong. Although at the very top end of Lovecraft.... well, that's anyone's guess.

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>>54809545
And the companion pic.

>>54809498
Depends. Cthulhu? nah brah. Outer Gods? You're going to need to be bringing Lucy himself if you don't want them trampling over the universe.

>>54809498
No, those fluffed as coming from the endless but they run on JumpChain Fiat. Lovecraft gods could get around PDs because PDs are "only" conceptual defenses unbreakable by the standards of the setting and Lovecraft gods have conceptual powers vastly beyond that scope.

Nothing is beyond Chain fiat unless it is explicitly stated to be so.

>>54809503
Why should Val's opinion matter when the facts state that they are spiritual energy. Heck one of the Perks in the Mortal Heroes Guantlet points this out that the energy is spiritual in nature, the one that boosts ki and stuff too.

>>54809548
And that, no offense, sounds like a cop-out. You could say that about the spiritual energy techniques of Yu Yu Hakusho too at that point.

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>>54808694

>>54809606
>Orochimaru Homura
>Sasuke not Madoka
Does this person know anything about
Madoka?

>>54809605
Didn't we have a whole bunch of arguments about whether it was spiritual energy, magical energy and what it counted as when it comes to magic and ki stuff?

Because I remember a lot of those arguments. A lot. People really wanted their various perks to work.

>>54809578
>Cthulhu
Is a Great Old One and a priest, but not a god of any form.

>>54809605
Well...yes, many of the techniques in YYH are the same. But there are also plenty that actually are unique abilities that you can just be taught.

>>54809605
It is stated in official sources to be magic anon, not spells explicitly but close enough for the jumpmaker to approve. Though in the end it is probably up to fanwank if magical techniques qualify as spells.

>>54809605
Didn't you just say yourself that it was referred to as magic?

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>>54809481
Because that describes "spells" in dozens of other settings, as well. Charms aren't really unique in that respect. Also, they're distinguished from supernatural powers in-setting.

See pic. They're "cast" differently from innate abilities.

>>54809498
Are the Endless that strong?

>>54809606
Where the hell are their noses.

>>54808937
Would Spiritualist make it so I am the god emperor if I wank I am the religion? Also how would robots work with Spiritualist?

>>54809667
Yup.

>>54809605
While I don't play it that way in my Chains, the big point is that Val ruled Infinity to consider Charms as valid and the arguments otherwise didn't change her mind. There's nothing that can really be done at that point unless you want to campaign to make Infinity an exception, which is kind of a dongus move.

>>54809692
Probably because the arguments basically boil down to two things "Is it magic or spiritual" and "are they spells or general stuff" both of which are heaaaavily open to interpretation.

>>54806418
Fun fact: The Olympian Gods in Saint Seiya were originally humans. So it's something people can do. Though the same lore seems to indicate that having the Ninth somehow loses you the Seventh, because the Gods are stated to be jealous of how mortals can achieve impossible miracles beyond even the power of Godhood, and the 7th is all about miracles.

>>54809667
The Outer Gods are "merely" multi-universe level. There are plenty of beings in fiction which are just as strong, if not stronger, though I don't know if the Endless would qualify.

>>54809720
>merely
nigga did you mix up the endless with the outer gods? The beings far below the Outer Gods are said to be infinite far beyond all dimensional constructs like that, with the Outer Gods being infinitely far above those beings.

Endless ain't even top dogs in their multiverse.

>>54809720
Well, the only real thing in terms of power we have for the Endless is that Death is the strongest and beings on peak Lucifer Morningstar level is when they stop having a large amount of influence.

>>54809706
>"Is it magic or spiritual"
It's magic, plain and simple. There are dozens upon dozens of examples:

Literally the first sentence about Charms in 2e, page 178:

>Charms are simple magical "tricks". Each is a technique for channeling Essence through the body or mind to enhance a Solar's abilities to superhuman levels.

The only thing up for debate is whether or not they count as "spells", which is somewhat subjective.

>>54809761
I was only bringing up the two main arguments in this current thread and the ones that came up back then.

>>54809718
You got a link to that? Honestly curious.

>>54808937
So quick question.

That's +1,000 EP for BOTH Ethics Perks AND Ethics Technologies, right? Or is it 1,000 split between both sections?

Just getting a gauge on how much I have to work with here.

>>54809628
One dude tried to Conjoined Conjures it and got shut down. Arguments and shitposting happened as well, yes.

>>54809635
Indeed as with the fact that some of the powers and abilities that a Exalt develops are innate only to them, because they can do that should they so wish.

>>54809637
>>54809663
Magic: the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

Spell: A set of words, spoken or unspoken, which are considered by its user to invoke some magical effect.

Very different things anons.

>>54809692
But its not Vals part that I contest. Infinity works on spells but not on abilities such as Full Counter and spiritual stuff, which is exactly what Charms are with the general exception of Sorcery Keyworded Charms and actual spells. My main point is that Charms are not spells, not they aren't magic.

>>54809796
http://www.saintseiyafan.com/stseiyawiki/index.php?title=Hypermyth

It's from this.

>>54809853
Except charms are not unique to them. Others can learn those same charms. You can teach them to others. They're specific techniques that can be taught and learned and run on magic. Spells.

>>54809853
So Mage doesn't use spells, because they don't use words to actually cast spells?

I think this whole argument is going in pedantic circles.

>>54809853
>Spell: A set of words, spoken or unspoken, which are considered by its user to invoke some magical effect.
Fucking kek. No, this is pedantry. There are fucking dozens of magic systems that don't use words. Trying to use some definition you looked up on google to somehow "disprove" that magical techniques are spells is silly in the extreme.

>>54809853
>A set of words, spoken or unspoken,
Glorious Solar Saber
Protection of Celestial Bliss
Sometimes Horses Fly Approach

In the Arrowverse jump, am I allowed to switch factions at some point?

>>54809853
So I guess people in Elder Scrolls all use "innate abilities" rather than spells. No, that's fucking stupid.

>>54808937
What would be a good race to import in Stellaris?

Turians, Wookies, Asari, Hanar, Drell, or Krogans?

>>54809910
Alright lets just break this down. You are saying that anything that uses 'magic' and can be taught and learned is a spell correct?

>>54809915
Actually they can and often do but that's really not the argument.

>>54809932
>>54809938
>>54809956
Which is why I'm asking what the actual heck you guys consider spells. Because the actual definition of Spells no longer holds your meaning.

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>>54809796
>>54809874
Also I remember Heavens saying he couldn't find the Hypermyth. As this article links to though here's a translation of the 1980's version:

http://philipho.tripod.com/Zeus-E.html

Don't know about a translation for the updated 2000's version.

Also this mangaka needs to step it up. He has two more arcs to finish (Zeus and Cronos) if he wants to finish his story but he keeps putting it off. He's 63. He'll be lucky to have more than 15 more years.

>>54809977
And is a specific technique. Try not to leave out important info to make your argument look better.

As was told to you earlier, a specific technique using magical energy in a set system of magic that can be taught and learnt and replicated is a spell. It doesn't include everything that is called a spell but it's broad enough to cover most of the bases whether you're looking at eastern or western media.

>>54809977
>the actual definition of Spells no longer holds your meaning.
>the actual definition of Spells
Are you fucking serious.

Are non tool/ability type Stands a liability since they will generally be weaker than a jumper and transfer damage to the user?

In the Bayonetta jump, does the Weapon Feel upgrade do anything to the weapon's physical form, or is it just an intangible effect?

>>54809668
Carmen Sandiego stole them.

>>54810016
So the definition of the ability that is used to define the breadth of a Perk has been redefined as a much broader and more versatile word that includes, to just list a few things: Cultivation techniques, Chi techniques as it is know in Negima, Ki techniques as it is known in Dragon Ball, and more?

>>54810017
Yes. Spells is a subset of paranormal phenomena in fiction, because Magic is a extreamly broad term and it gets broken down, whose definintion as the anon(s) state is not that which is used in fiction.

>>54810132
Again you exclude parts of the post that don't fit your goal. Magical energy anon. Something that makes all three of your counter examples not work and was indicated as being part of anon's explanation.

>>54810132
So you do know that spells in Seven Deadly Sins don't work like you say spells do either?

>>54810203
He's not arguing in good faith anon, I doubt he actually cares.

>>54810177
Then neither does the Exalted example as it is powered by Motes of Essence which itself is housed in the souls.

>>54810203
But they do. They chant the name of the spells in question. Vivian does so and Merlin explains her spells at the 'impenetrable' boxed in room.

>>54810209
I actually am arguing in good faith.

>>54810132
People in Elder Scrolls don't cast spells, Sorcery in Dark Souls doesn't use spells, etc., etc.

No, for one thing, language does not set rules that all of its users in reality or fiction need to follow (unless you're a prescriptivist). They explain a fictional/paranormal phenomenon and that you're trying to say that all magic ever must abide by this absurdly specific definition is retarded.

Actually, give me a fucking moment. Because I'm 99% sure most Sorceries in Exalted don't use a verbal component, and fairly sure there are spells in SDS which don't.

>>54810030
Maybe you only take damage equivalent to what the stand takes?

Like, say your stand gets hit with an attack that does 500 damage. Your stand has 600 HP, so it gets quite hurt. You, on the other hand, have 10 billion HP, so losing 500 isn't that big a deal.

Or maybe, since you and your stand are connected, it'll get stronger when you do? Outside of Steely Dan+Lovers, I don't think we ever saw a stand that was weaker than its user. Outside of Dio, I don't think we ever saw a "normal" stand user who was stronger than a mundane human. So really, there's no way to tell if the connection doesn't go both ways.

>>54810267
Except people have pointed out a bunch of things that refer to it as being magical.

>>54810269
There are even spells in DnD that don't use a verbal component. It's not the norm, but they exist, and you can use metamagic to apply it to anything.

>>54810267
>'impenentrable
Oh, I see what this is. You're one of those types. The ones that hate that some other jump is somehow intruding on how good Exalted is.

>>54810285
The techniques themselves are Magic which as I've stated is a very broad term. There is soul magic out there.

>>54810267
>it is powered by Motes of Essence which itself is housed in the souls.
This is utterly fucking retarded. Magical energy can be sourced or "housed in" the soul. Which it is in Exalted, as Essence is explicitly "magical energy". More examples, Dresden, DOTA 2, Nasuverse. Something being housed in the soul does not preclude it from being magical energy, though neither does everything based on the soul use magical energy.

>>54810302
...nigga

nigga

what is the fucking difference at that point? It's using magical energy, is called magic and the magic is just being stored in the soul.

>>54810030
Either the Stand scales or the damage done is one to one and isn't magnified if the jumper can take a supernova to the face.

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Reminder that magic isn't real and you're all dumb for arguing about it.

>>54810301
No I was merely pointing out that Vivian called it 'Impenetrable' and Merlin proved her wrong. That had nothing to do with Exalted.

>>54810322
>>54810322
>>54810326
But the argument doesn't stop because it's magical energy it stops when either you prove Charms are Spell, or when I prove they're not. Not that that matter to you Anon(s) much.

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Here's the updated Cryptid Perk Combos so far. Still looking for more if anyone has any ideas. No changelog; I did change up some of the earlier ones due to suggestions others gave, but everything before the ESP+Ritualist combo should be mostly the same. I also decided to change some of the restrictions on Genius Loci to make it more forgiving, so I'll be uploading that too.

>>54810350
Don't care about the argument. But now that I've seen that pic, I need a tiny godzilla to threaten small blocks.

>>54810350
Reminder that your picture is adorable and I want to see more like it.

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>>54810381
Here it is.

>>54810384
Hit up PPC there are things like that there.http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Mini

>>54810380
Are you the idiot that was arguing about time travel last thread?

>>54810380
....okay. So. What the fuck is your argument against them being spells?

Your definition has had like a dozen+ very popular series pointed out as examples of spells that very clearly do not match your view of what they are.

People have shown, and you have now agreed, that it's working on magical energy.

They're distinct techniques. In universe, in the gameplay terms and in the jumps they are all treated as such and people have shown this.

What is your argument that they are spells, given you have absolutely no evidence that has not been thoroughly refuted?

>>54810381
I keep harping on about this, but perhaps Ritualist+Avatar+Demographic to make a temporary avatar you get information feedback from?

How much raw power does Pseudo Jinchukiri give?

>>54810384
Yell at YJ_Anon until they agree to put in a babby kaiju pet in the Kaiju jump.

Also, I think one of the options for Kaiju building is going to be Hedorah-style "tiny monsters that come together to make a big monster," so maybe you could just keep one of the component monsters as a pet?

>>54810380
>Not that it matters
Wouldn't get on that high horse given how you've repeatedly twisted words, ignored parts of posts or changed your position on things. Even in this very post you're suddenly changing from "It's all spiritual" to "It's magical energy".

>>54810445
Check out ESP+Ritualist.

>>54808625
I don't have one. It's more of a throne hill, really.

>>54810445
Never mind, just saw ESP+Ritualist.

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>>54810448
Babby pet kaiju sounds cool.

>>54810402
Does enhanced senses protect you from being blinded by rapidly changing light levels like the old night vision perk did?

>>54810402
For Gigantic how tall would a relatively normal proportioned humanoid be?

>>54810494
No, but you're the second person to mention it so I'll add sensory protection.

>>54810446
More than a breadbox.

>>54810515
Thanks!

>>54810525
How many packets of tea can fit in the breadbox?

>>54810419
Nope Time Travel, in my opinion, isn't something that I personally want to mess with but if some other Anon wants to then they can as long as its within the rules of Jumpchain.

>>54810434
As I stated only by redefining a term has spells become broad enough to encompass the area of supernatural phenomena that Charms are in. I provided definitions and you literally said they didn't apply so I asked for the definition that you used which was so broad as to encompass all formats of magical energy manipulation no matter the nature of their techniques.

>>54810460
It's both as I've said the techniques are magic powered by spiritual energy. I'm not the one who has repeatedly slung names at you Anon(s) even as I replied as well as I could to you Anon(s). I don't think I'm perfect Anon.

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Perks don't actually do anything, the real power was inside you all along.

>>54810547
A lot, but you can't brew any.

>>54810552
You mean I've actually had the Spark this whole time?

>>54810448
Hmm. Good idea... It'll fit in with my friendbringer collection.

>>54810488
Hey, YJ_Anon, what we need is some babby... Oh, wait, somebody else yelled at you first.

>>54810552
>Hot blooded mecha pilots screaming
>And Shinji
He's really not cut out for this

>>54810552
Need a Gunbuster/Diebuster jump.

>>54810512
Probably around 50 feet.

>>54810551
>Redefining a term
Then it's been redefined for decades, so get over yourself and work with the new term.

But again, no, your argument only works by ignoring things, hence you arguing in bad faith. People specified that it also had to be teachable/learnable. 'all magical energy manipulation' is not that. And even if it was, it'd be a better definition than yours, given yours doesn't fit most of the popular series (Ranging from fate to dresden to D n fucking D) that actually use spells.

>>54810552
That would mean I was likable all along, anon.

And we both know that that's impossible.

>>54810551
Well, all I can say by this point is that I'm glad Val made a sensible choice.

>>54810402
Would this work?
Be a Cryptid with a Cultist Companion and a Proxy

Cultist worships me and takes Unsecure. Uncontained. Unprotected. with their method for Creating Cryptids being to turn normal humans into Cryptids with a ritual that makes them my Proxy. With my Proxy companion being the an example.

>>54810551
>all formats of magical energy manipulation no matter the nature of their techniques.
Yes! So long as they're part of a system and can be taught to or learned by others. How hard is this to understand? Also, you keep cutting out parts of other peoples' arguments to make yours look better. It's not actually doing you any favors, FYI.

Hey Heavens/Wukong, if you have Shepard of Light, can you define your worship as something other than prayer/sacrifice or whatever? Could I have worship of me be something like drinking in a tavern or fighting?

>>54810626
Yeah think I'm done too. This isn't going anywhere.

>>54810551
>It's both as I've said the techniques are magic powered by spiritual energy.
So? How the fuck is that even remotely relevant? There are dozens of magical systems throughout fiction that are powered using spiritual energy. Doesn't mean the characters don't use spells.

>>54810669
And it makes no sense since it's using magical energy anyway.

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>>54810552
But anon, I would only be a necromancer on all levels except physical without Perks.

>>54810631
I'm going to say no, because a Proxy companion is the result of random mutation, and because their abilities are bought with CP. That's not to say they couldn't recreate your Proxy, or even make a better version, depending on purchases, but outright copying their purchases is a no.

>>54810596
>TFW you introduce the Nids to some real space monsters.
That would be awesome and rule one.

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>>54810609
>Then it's been redefined for decades, so get over yourself and work with the new term.
Where is this new term? Where can I find this new term you've specified.

Dresden Files uses Incantations and will, D&D uses verbal composites, and Fate has counts for arias.

>>54810641
I 'cut out' because I can only type so fast and using normal summaries is a part of debate and I still lag behind because you're attack my ability to quote Anon(s) when I literally link to Anon(s) quotes.

>>54810669
This is true, but not all of them use spells as I've pointed out. I can't keep debating this at this point because I'm out of time for the day. Excuse me Anon(s).

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>>54808937
Thank you much, amigo.

>Stellaris - 840
Origin: Wanderer + Leader
Home Planet: Ocean
Drawbacks: The Worm, King of All (+1,000 CP)
Sacrifice ET Points: +500 CP
Sacrificed EP Points: +600 CP
Final Point Count: 3,100 CP

Government Ethics: Xenophile, Spiritualist, Individualist
Race: Reptilian - The Nea
Species Traits:
-Adaptive (Free)
-Rapid Breeders (Free)
-Thrifty (Free)
-Hive-Minded
-Psionic
-Agrarian
-Charismatic
-Very Strong
-Natural Sociologists

Perks & Gear:
-Free Rule (Free)
-Trustworthy Emperor
-Alcohol
-Tree of Life
-Ether Drake Baby (Iliona)
-Full Team
-Advisor
-Plain Import

Ethics Technologies (1,000 ET)
-Sacrifice for CP: 500
-A Shard Of Metal Filled With Grass
-Improved Labs
-A Shield Of The Mind

Ethics Perks (1,000 EP):
-Sacrifice for CP: 600
-Slave Liberation
-A Stand For Freedom
-Open Arms

>tfw not sure if did math properly.

>>54810763
I'd follow that rule if I wasn't a mongoloid.

>>54810754
Ah, I was going to make my Proxy a flying brick. Could that be recreated/improved upon by a cultist with Unsecure. Uncontained. Unprotected.? Would studying a naturally occurring one like my Proxy make it any easier?

>>54810796
Oh well, have fun becoming a Chinese emperor.

>>54810788
And yet all those things have plenty of examples where words are not used.

Except when you cut out, you go on to argue as if they had not said the things you cut out. You're not summarising, you're pretending they didn't make points so you don't need to answer.

>>54808937
Xenophobe is misspelled xenophope

Is it possible for Government Ethics to change radically part way through the jump?

Please organize the Ethics perks by ethic/price please. It's easier to pick and jump like that.

Th̨e ̴W̛or̸m, ̀King oft̀he En͘d̵le͝ss- What is this a reference to? More info? Will it end reality or something?

Good jump, bro.

>>54810790
>The Worm, King of All
I have never played Stellaris, how hard would it be to take this down?

>>54810829
Will do anon. Tomamo is loving this mongolian dick.

What would be a fun choice of celebrity for an Actual Cannibal Companion?

>>54810870
Randy Orton

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>>54810849
You to embrace fluffy tails?

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>>54810870
Taylor Swift

>>54810810
Oh yeah, flying brick is definitely something they can do. As for the other question I'm going to tentatively say yes because it makes sense.

>>54808833
Is the Spacetime Manipulation perk meant to be Hiro's power or just (as written) the travel subset of it?

>>54810893
ye

>>54810402
>You can import or create any number of companions for 50 CP a pair
...Wait, a "pair" or "a piece"? I've been treating it like the latter for almost a year now...

>>54810903
Dismissive anime girl should be the top of that pyramid.

>>54810838
Far as I can understand after wiki-diving, The Worm can be killed by a decent battleship fleet. It's summoning it into the physical realm from it's outside-of-time location that's fucky.

>>54810836
>What is this a reference to? More info? Will it end reality or something?

While I agree the drawback needs a better description, The Worm's an extra-dimensional monster that your empire can either treat with via sacrificing geniuses and scientists in exchange for Physics-related knowledge and technology.

It culminates in making a building called the Omega Alignment, which rips space-time several new assholes to drag The Worm into realspace, where it wants to be. You then get to make a final deal with it which can make or break things.

http://www.stellariswiki.com/Horizon_Signal_events

>>54810402
Can you set multiple simultaneous criteria for I Know?

Like, an always on 'if they know I am the Jumper' and then sometimes also 'if they know I am more powerful than I am pretending to be', or 'if they know I did a particular thing'.

>>54810870
Oprah Winfrey. Speaking of, has anybody taken the "Tulpa" option yet, and who did you choose?

>>54810926
A pair. So you get eight for 200 CP.

>>54810956
Sure.

>>54810965
Cool, thanks.

>>54810965
Shiiiiit. Is that recent? Cuz that frees up some CP. Thanks anyway, man.

>>54810838
Once you get a hold of if, it won't be super hard assuming you have decent preparation. According to the wiki it has a fleet power of 18k, which is strong, but a Fallen Empire would take it out pretty easily

>>54810838

Not impossible, but you'd need at least an anti-insanity perk (being around the worm drives you crazy), a method of attacking atemporally and defending atemporally (the worm seems to inhabit a dimension outside of time), and the ability to attack within black holes (the conventional method of reaching/contacting them is through Black Holes).

Mind you, why you would want to kill them when they just want love and affection is beyond me. Worm is best girl.

>>54810980
No, it's always been for a pair. I did lift the cost for having Cryptid companions though.

At the risk of shitposting, and with the most honest intentions, I ask; Why is the Ghostbusters jump considered a trap? Is it just shitposting?

>>54810999
Alright, cool. What's controlling an Avatar like, anyway? Is it like you were actually there?

Give me some obscure and/or old jumps to jump

>>54811013
I don't think it's the whole Jump; just one option for ghosts IIRC.

>>54811023
It's like you're them, but you have their level of power.

Can Greed from God of Highschool be used to increase your own "energy pools"? I remember something along those lines, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

>>54811013
According to banchou, the jumpmaker, one of the options is literally impossible to survive. I think it was the ghost power that had a drawback tied to it.

>>54808921
>>54808949
* Super Mario has a power that allows you to be invincible for twenty seconds, once a month.
* Super Mario RPG has an item that allows you to be invincible (and "gain a terrifying destructive touch") for one minute, once.
* Super Mario Thing has a (very cheap) perk that makes eating vegetables give you powers; leeks give you temporary invincibility.

>>54811058
Do your mental perks still apply to your consciousness? Also, can they be projected from other pocket dimensions if you have Avatar + Pocket Realm?

>>54810849
>>54810893
Tamamo will forever be an awful waifu.

>>54811108
There are better waifu's but I don't think she's bad.

>>54811053
Les Miserables
Red Faction
Actraiser
Generation Kill
Codex Alera
Dinotopia

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>>54811108

>>54811107
Do you mean other than the Pocket Dimension itself?

>>54811107
Yeah, mental perks still applying makes sense. And for the other question, that's a no.

>>54811146
Yes.

>>54811115
You don't know her story.

>>54811125
Don't see a point in your post though.

>>54810381
>Ritualist+Myth

Yesssss. Thanks, man.

>>54810381
Glitch+Disruption field:control mechanical devices in your immediate radius. Maybe elemental instead of glitch if that makes more sense to you.

Screamer+Perception Distortion: Everyone who hears you in a mile radius starts feeling the effect.

Screamer+Sleeper Paralysis: Induces sleep in people who are overwhelmed by your scream.

Mark+Blight: The target becomes a Typhoid Mary of the disease you choose to infect the mark with. Making them carriers that spread the disease to everyone around them. The target can be as completely or partial immune as you wish them to be. If at all.

>>54810552
Wait, are you saying I can really fly? Wait here, i'm going to leap out of a skyscraper!

Would a tyranid using the Cute or Sexy version of that one perk from Weakness of Beatrice have much trouble passing themselves off as human mutants in a hive city's underhive?

>>54811200
Mutants are exterminated.

>>54810745
Grim Grimoire jump when?

>>54811151
Alright, thanks. Was worried about anything but a full-powered Avatar not being able to "handle it", as it were.

Ah, okay.

>>54811200
Jeanstealer?

--

On a different note. If Anon Heart is here (or someone else equally involved with the Anima Beyond Fantasy Jump). I wanted to know if you can acquire the same abilities as the Mighty perk through hard work

>>54811256
He said you could, yes.

>>54811256
Mighty is basically just a fuckton of experience. I don't think any of the things it gives can't be learned.

>>54811256
>>54811276
Proofs.

>http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/54518668/#54519749

>>54811276
>>54811296

Thanks, wasn't 100% certain (or maybe I overlooked the note in the text.)

>>54811217
Not in the Underhive way too dangerous for anyone to go there for some purging, well not unless a Space Marine recruitment drive comes to Recruit/Kidnap some of the local criminals.

The Underhive, such utter hell it is the next best place for Space Marine recruitment after Death Worlds. Move in today!

>>54811256
Nope, Hive Tyrant. It would be easier if I was a Genestealer I imagine. I want to flee the swarm and just do whatever I want.

>Generic Dystopia
>Gothic jump
>Xam’d: Lost Memories
>Inukami
When did we get these jumps? I had never seen them while browsing the drive on my phone

>>54811151
If you have multiple consciousnesses, can you project less than all of them into the Avatar?

>>54811377
Inukami and Gothic are old as fuck, dude.

Like, back when we were still triple-digit threads.

>>54811377
Inukami and Gothic are both at least a year old, I think. Generic Dystopia and Xam'd are bit more recent, though I can't remember exactly when they came out.

>>54811151
There's this guy on SB, he goes by "YJ_Anon". Is that you, or is it just an imposter?

>>54811433
More like impasta-er, amirite?

>>54811417
...we're still triple digit threads now.

>>54811470
WAIT WHEN DID WE GET TO FOUR DIGITS

>>54811470
We're in the thousands, that is four digits my dude.

>>54811478
Six-Hundred and Sixty Seven Threads ago? Give or take five Threads.

>>54811478
A long-ass time ago. Had a big party for thread 1000 and everything. I thought we invited you?

>>54811380
Sure.

>>54811433
Yep, that's me.

>>54811478
A while ago, there was this whole big thing where a bunch of jumps were released at the same time to celebrate.

So when can we expect sexy ass demons?

>>54811516
Probably never.

>>54811516
You gotta do the summoning legwork yourself.

>>54811516
Panty and Stocking

>>54810567
That would make for neat twist at a chain end. Your Spark woke up, but it was super juiced and you couldn't mentally/psychologically handle it, so you built up mental and metaphysical layers around it and set up an adventure system so you could slowly grow into the power over time, only to remember the truth when you finally had the strength to accept it.

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>>54811516
Aren't they already here?

>>54811516
I'm not sure I'd want an ass-demon.

>>54811606
Jumpchan was just my imagination this whole time?

But how do I waifu my imagination?!

>>54810870
I was going to say Tom Cruise, but he's already in a cult.
So, Owen Wilson or Matthew McConaughey.

>>54811653
tulpa

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>>54811612
No they aren't.

>>54810870
Hugh Jackman.

Then take him to Van Helsing to meet Hugh Jackman.

Then recruit Wolverine in X-Men Movies.

You think if I spill some of the Triumvirate's blood on my Cloth in Saint Seiya they could get to God Cloth level?

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>>54811646
Pretty sure they're usually just demons that specialize in ass rather than demons that live in it. Though both probably exist.

>>54811696
>spill some of the Triumvirate's blood
No, but I think you're a powerwanker.

What abilities does the Spark give you?

Anyone have a link to questionable questings jumpchain thread?

>>54811834
Nothing.

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>>54811612
lilim get out reeeeee

pic unrelated, I can't actually commit to my anger right now

>>54811834
You can go between intellectual properties, and you're waay stronger cosmically than you were before.

>>54811834
Nothing but the bitterness of not being able to jump anymore because some dick jumpmaker cut you short for a jump-only benefit.

>>54811606
This... is a pretty darn neat idea. Thanks anon, I'm totally borrowing this for my chain.

>>54811696
Iunno. Seiyapedia says your Cosmo needs to burn with the same intensity of a God's in addition to being bled upon by one. But I don't exactly have a source for all that.

>>54811834
From what people here have said: Your body is your soul, your soul is basically invincible, and unless you tie your mind to something like a brain (which in turn makes it possible for people to render you brain dead, even if you're otherwise fine) you're legitimately unkillable. Also, magic. As a /jc/ reward, it is mainly meant to buff all of your abilities by an arbitrarily high amount, and allow you to Planeswalk through the greater multiverse.

>>54811861
Well, the latter really depends on what level of power you were 'before'.

>>54811845
https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/jumpchain.1689/

You need to be logged into qq, or it won't let you into a nsfw thread.

>>54811696
Not sure. All the God Cloths come from Athena's blood being spilled on regular, bog standard Bronze Cloths. It should work with all her Cloths and her blood, but we're not sure about other Gods. Logic would say yes though.

Also, remember that you also need to burn a shit ton of cosmo and scream hotbloodedly to activate it the first time.

>>54811861
>>54811878
>>54811891
So I should get some form of timetravel before my chain ends

The Hive Tyrant perk in Nids jump says you have the standard Hive Tyrant Biomorphs. Does this mean we get those for free along with the perk?

It would certainly make my Biomorph choices easier if it does.

>>54810996
This. Worm just wants to advance your species to the next stage of waifu evolution.

>>54808937

Doesn't the wording of Civilization From Jumps Past allow you to gain CP with ease by importing past races and/or civilizations you rules over?

>>54811906
Is blood the only body fluid that works?

>>54810996
The Worm eats your sun, turning it into a shining black hole, and warps your capital and all planets in that system into Tomb Worlds.

Somehow, I do not think that is a good thing.

>>54811892
I'm mostly going off what Quicksilver said about it, since the Spark isn't really a Planewalker spark anyways.

>>54811924
Yes

>>54811967
I personally really dislike the idea of it arbitrarily boosting all my powers. Sure post chain stuff doesn't matter much but it feels kinda shitty to make most of my stuff previously irrelevant.

>>54811955
To be fair, she/it/they are just really bad at understanding that people conventionally need those things to live. Nothing that Worm does is out of genuine malice. It just wants you to reach a state where it can actually communicate and interact with you (relatively) safely.

Hence why it shouldn't actually be that hard for a jumper with a sufficient tech base and a few protection/communication perks to bypass that whole thing and just talk with her/it/them directly and explain the whole situation.

By all indicators, it would be more than happy to leave you as you are so long as you're willing talk with it.

On a sidenote guys, do you imagine Third Magic could be used on a Transformer's Spark?

>>54812000
But isn't it just making your other stuff more relevant because it can now be used at that level? Whereas normally it'd just boost your magic and (maybe) soul stuff so then everything else is even more ridiculously irrelevant than it is now.

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>>54811612
>do I really want a genocide on my hands?
>do I really want to let them win?

I need a third option /jc/.

>>54811955
It makes it so your species can survive the transition first tho. Isn't any relationship based on mutual understanding? It just wants to make the place feel more like home!

>>54811953
Lewd. Athena is an eternal virgin, anon.

But yeah, it has to be blood. Specifically, ichor, the blood of the gods.

>>54812044
Sure, they're souls in all but name. Some continuities even have ghost Transformers.

>>54812081
So if a jumper wears their armor while taking her first time rather roughly. . . Quick! What perks are there for waifuing chaste Goddesses?

>>54811955
After giving your species a bunch of beneficial traits and giving you tomb world adaptability, yeah. As the event explains it, the Worm has given your species the power to survive even should your sun or planets be destroyed. It's meant as a gift. Granted, it might not appeal because it does lower your ability to live on non-tomb worlds, but the Worm misunderstanding 3D life is understandable, considering that the worm is 4D at the least.

>>54812057
Be stronger than the Demon Lord and find a way to rewrite the entirety of the population of monsters so that they don't change men into incubi after they screw him and rewrite their instincts so that they don't have an insatiable appetite for lewdness and find a way to get rid of demon energy on a world wide/ multidimensional scale. Hell, I don't the Demon Lord would be too upset with it given that you ensured the peaceful existence of the two races (she'll be upset, but won't do anything so long as you can explain the situation and at least strong enough threaten MAD, which you should be to be pulling this off).

So, the second magic for the dimensional BS, the third for the metaphysics, a few magic boosters, and Geneforge magic for the instincts.

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>>54812164
Carol please go.

>>54812147
Do not

>>54811921
I think MtG has time travel magic which you should be able to learn if you get a planeswalker spark.

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>>54812170
I'm already out of Carols

>>54811906
Are the Saint Seiyas really universe level?

>>54812055
No, because planeswalkers aren't the tippity top of power. If I get to that level by doing something creative, I don't want it to be a case where I'd be more rewarded for taking the boring, raw power route

>>54812212
Depends entirely on what character and at what time you're looking at. Some are at certain points, yes. Many are not even close.

>>54812081
Shit, I only have one bodily fluid left at this point. Oh well, guess I'll try using those rocks from GoH and constellation magic to make mo' black cloths of the same caliber.

Also just gonna bite the bullet now, I really auestipns like that don't make it too obvious who I am

>>54812147
Bill, born of Bills from Marvel Magic
Favor of Heaven, Tripping on the Red String and What Is Love? from Heaven's Lost Property
The Waifu Exalted, from Lunars
Sakura Viewings, from Fate/Stay Night
Idol and Supplicant Union Consecration from Sidereals
A Shepherd of Light, Solars

>>54812170
Please, Carol isn't even a speedbumb for a jumper with a few psychology/ charisma perks.

Come to think of it, most of Symphogear's problems/dumb plots could be solved with a psychology perks and by telling people "that's dumb and you're dumb for thinking it. Now get in the Symphogear and punch that river."

And if you janked Dr. Ver in the beginning. Good luck getting that to stick though. Man's a goddamn cockroach.

>>54808937
Does the Civilizations from Jump's past allow you to import as many races from past jumps as you like, such as that can I import a Asari, Human, and Turian trifecta as my Empires races?

>>54812222
>Some are at certain points, yes.
No, they're not. Stop lying, anon.

Would waking up Azathoth in Lovecraft destroy all the settings of all the jumps you've ever been to?

>>54812224
The LINKER perk solves half of AXZ on its own
Elfnein it took you 6 episodes, a mind merge and special guest MENTAL IMAGE DR VER to figure it out, pls

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>>54812057
Well let me note here. Before Lilith took over, the monsters had both genders and ate mortal flesh. They were anti-lewd. Also, Lilith corrupted several species that were formerly mortal, like elves, dwarves, amazons, and many more, into monsters, eradicating the original species and killing off all their males. Anyway, the Head God saw all this, and decided that he needed to curse the monsters so they couldn't have males anymore to stop them breeding out of control. Which happened anyway once Lilith switched them to raping humans. Head God has to be distracted or something.

So yeah, what this tells us is relevant to your goal in two ways:

1. Powerful divine curses can alter monstergirls, though not perfectly.

2. The Demon Lord, the being sitting on the throne in demon land, gets to decide how monsters work and behave. The only reason they're lewd is because Lilith wills it.

So if you want to save the monstergirls, you first kill Lilith, sit on her throne, change them to be less lewd or aggressive, then convince the Head God that you will behave better than the first Demon Lord or Lilith and won't make your monsters demon machines, so he'll re-instate their ability to breed males. You might also want to find a way to purge corruption to make dwarves etc back into mortals, though I don't know a way to do that in-setting.

So yeah, that's how you solve things with the least amount of death. Technically only one person needs to die.

>>54812164
Lilith will explicitly not fuck you. She is having constant eternal sex with her husband, who is a former human corrupted into an incubus. Him being human is why she decided humans would be the semen factory for her world takeover, by the way. Being a monster girl, she's monogamous once she has a husband.

>>54812270
No, because different settings aren't linked Azathoth isn't the top level of DC (Although you an probably find a DC look alike somewhere in the Lovecraftverse), anymore than DC doesn't define the top level of Lovecraft.