/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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>>54805877
Like this. MAGE SUPREMACY

>>54805877
By playing Mage of course.

These threads might go a lot better if every OP didn't include bait for troll discussions.

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Check my creative Thaum

Obliterate
Prime 5
Unmaking

You obliterate your targets pattern erasing them from existence

1 reach: This spell can now be cast sympathetically
1 mana this spell is unblockable and uncounterable

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>>54805947
Cry me a river

>>54805877
Is the Flash an Acanthus or Obrimos?

>>54806012
Obrimos

>>54806003
>That pose?
It's like he's taking from behind

>>54805877
>>54806003
>>54806012
Yes, magefags are definitely the only cancer in this general.

>>54805877
From what we know about Deviant, it would seem the best to simulate most super hero origin stories.

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>>54806028
Question is Supes a straight up thyrsus?

>>54806099
He is also Obrimos

>>54805877
Surprised nobody has said Scion yet desu

>>54806078
Man could they be developing deviant any slower?

All we even know is the nature of their antagonists, and that they are experiments.

Are we going to get their Dark Eras 2 chapter before their game hits?

>>54806132
>Are we going to get their Dark Eras 2 chapter before their game hits?
Don't think so, seeing as DE2 doesn't have a draft ready at the moment.
>>54806120
This, and the Trinity trio.

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>>54806132
After the beast debacle they need to fucking focus on improving and updating older splats before adding even more new broken and pointless shit. Geist needs a fucking 2 edition

Reminder that not all mages are combat oriented and die just as easily to a vampire with celerity as a mortal with a gun

we unbanned from the forum bois

>>54806193
No one plays Geist now, no reason to prioritize a second edition.

Hunter 2e, good priority. It has a high popularity, people want it. Changeling 2e should honestly already be out with how popular it is.

Geist can wait until after Deviant in my opinion.

>>54806180
I don't feel like the Dark Eras books take nearly as long to develop. What was the turnover for Dark Eras 1?

They don't have to make up a lot of new rules. It is mostly the fluff of the settings, refluffing stuff that doesn't make sense in that timeline, and maybe making up a new organization and power or two.

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>>54806229
What are you talking about? Every arcana is more than capable of defending themselves from a shitty leech

>>54806229
That's not how Mage works, you dumb ass whore.

An elderly Mystagogue will be more formidable than that rugged cowboy from the Arrow.
The capabilities of a Mage comes from his/her understanding of the Arcana.

>>54806229
>>54806310
>replying to yourself when nobody takes your shitty bait
At least type a little differently, phone poster.

>>54806334
Ignore the phone poster.

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>>54806343
Kill yourself I am not samefaging

>>54806366
>editing the screenshot to hide your samefagging
Desperate.

>>54806310
>>54806334
Ok exercise my brai n then throw a mage with prime 3 forces 3 and life 3 in the theoretical cage with a vampire of dominate 3 celerity 3 and majesty 3

The vampire win, as the mage wasn't built for it

>>54806388
Or, alternatively, using another mobile device.

>>54806251
>Changeling 2e should honestly already be out with how popular it is.
It was delayed twice. First it was supposed to be out in May, then it was supposed to be out literally right now in August/September.

Now they're having Rose rewrite it because they want to stiff the original writer on his back pay.

>>54806407
Did you know the JFK was shot using Photoshoped Magic Bullet?

>>54806395
>this will be considered as mage discussion
>people will blame mage for ruining the thread

What has been your favorite use of human/mortal antagonists in a game you've played/ran? Even if they are a cult or something else strange.

Like, I established a sort of hunter group early in a campaign. At the start, the players had no idea hunters were involved, a kid died and they investigated if spirits were related (they were werewolves).

Later they realized that the father of the dead kid was a hunter. He became more extreme, and made their lives patrolling the spirit more and more dangerous. Eventually they had to put the man and his whole church (their base of operations) down in a rather bloody fight that left a lot of human dead.

But of course, the daughter was innocent, and they left her alive. Especially since many of them knew the daughter in their normal lives. She started being distant, they saw her less, and when she finally returned she had rebuilt a new hunter cell, having realized that her 'friends' were responsible for her father's death.

>>54806443
>mage will ruin the thread
What do you want? The OP was about >>54805877
>Super Heroes in World of darkness
This thread was doomed from the start

>>54806422
I'll be sad if Rose scraps all the Huntsmen stuff like some people suspect.

I like the idea of a more palatable Changeling antagonist. Fighting True Fae is so end game, and everything else they had was too smalltime. Huntsmen are a perfect middle ground.

>>54806523
>I'll be sad if Rose scraps all the Huntsmen stuff like some people suspect.
Why would he?

>>54806541
People are expecting heavy rewrites from the earlier stuff we were shown. In that case, one of the main things we saw were the Huntsmen rules. If we were shown only like that and two other things, and something in there triggered an urge for rewrites... they could end up rewriting Huntsmen too, or dropping them.

>>54806505
Is Aquaman a Thyrsus or a some kind of water changeling?

>>54806611
What are Huntsmen, even?

>>54806611
Didn't they dump the original writer Hill?

>>54806541

She.

And she would scrap it because she's pretty staunchly scrapped everything else David did.

>>54806634
Yes, and they want to cut out all his stuff so they don't have to pay him.

>>54806632
Members of the Wyld Hunt - basically Changeling or Changeling-like creatures that hunt Changelings to return them to servitude. They were a minor antagonist in 1e but were supposed to become a more present danger in the 2e rules.

>>54806612
Probably not a Changeling, since he has no "weird" powers. Plus he's an actual Atlantean royal, and they're a big deal in Mage.

>>54806632
Fae bounty hunters coming for the changeling Cush

>>54806632
A True Fae takes a little seed of hate and 'fuck changelings' and turns it into a mercurial creature dedicated to dragging someone kicking and screaming back into Arcadia.

It has a bunch of powers that let it disguise itself, but since 'The Hunt' is a game and a story, it always gives the prey different ways to tell. It announces itself, sometimes in a small way like a physical tell (it may look like a normal guy, but it can't hide a horn growing on the back of its head, something like that) or in some larger way.

On top of that, it can bargain with other changelings. If they give up the target in some way, it will give them a token. So then next time when they are being hunted, they can give the Huntsmen the token, and the Huntsmen pisses off.

They also have like, Hounds, if I remember. These terrible beasts to help hunt the target down.

It was all pretty interesting. An enemy laser focused on getting one guy, and wrecking their whole life.

>>54806699
>>54806710
That sounds cool as fuck.

>>54805905
You would at least try to limit the damage my dude.

Cloverfield Lane shows one lunatic that was prepared. Thats not enough for the kind off society that Vamp means.

I mean I would be hyped for a group of Vamps that think the end is inevitable. They are preparing for centuries and actually have the bunker cities rdy when shit Hits the fan.

>>54806748
It really did. A lot of Hill's ideas were super cool and I'm going to be severely bootybothered if Rose cuts all the old fluff and replaces it with generic nu-WW trans garbage.

>>54806779
Here's hoping he doesn't cut it.

>>54806229
Don't bother. The magefags think they're unbeatable at this point. Tell them Life can't counter Vampires and they will lose their shit.

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How bad would the Technocracy fuck the Seers up?

>>54806683
>She
arguable

>>54806779

It's not like Hill isn't a pretty hardcore trans ally. You're playing the wrong games if queer stuff bothers you.

>>54806795
Life can mess up vampires horribly

>>54806817
What even is a Technocracy? Are you off your meds again old man?

>>54806795
Yeah actually life can fuck a leech up. The life mage can turn herself into a cloud of microscopic bacteria that would eat the leeches necrotic tissue in minutes

>>54806833
It doesn't bother me, it's just that Changeling is a metaphor for sexual violence and post-traumatic stress, not gender shit. We have other games for that, but Rose injects it into every game line she works on even if it's not supposed to be the theme.

>>54806817
>a bunch of Mages versus a bunch of Mages with the closest thing the setting has to gods as their patrons

gee i wonder

>>54806865
Trans people face a lot of sexual violence, so I wouldn't say it is that far off target.

I'd be more annoyed if it was injected into like, Demon, or Geist.

>>54806865

Trans people can be abused to, you know. A lot of them have been.

Also, Changeling is just as much a game about building your new life and identity from the ashes not just wallowing in angst and suffering forever. There's plenty of trans-adjacent themes in that narrative vein of putting together a new self. It's not like we can just go PROMETHEAN IS THE TRANS GAME SO NO MORE TRANS, that's absurd.

>>54806251

DE1 took about two years, but that was because of so many eras that got added on that needed to start from zero.

>>54806833
Queer stuff doesn't bother me. Obnoxious stuff bothers me. And something isn't precluded from being obnoxious just because it's queer.

>>54806873
The technocracy has Archmages that would fucking wrek the Exarchs who probably can't even interfere with the physical world

>>54806918
So Dark eras 2 will take even longer because the entire book is 'extra chapters that aren't written'.

>>54806893
Sure, and so can cis white people. I don't see what that has to do with my distaste for nu-WW changing narratives to focus on gender dysphoria. It's just another type of neuro-atypical erasure. Normal people can have problems too.

>>54806893
>Demon
There is a sidebar detailing how these sexless, genderless biomechanical beings can take a Cover's gender identity on themselves and keep it even when they switch to covers of a different gender, effectively becoming a "woman" in a man's body, or vice versa.

>>54806873
in nWoD, you can bet the Technocracy works with the God-Machine and has angels at its back
good night mage pride

>>54806944

Pretty much! Don't expect to see that book till early 2019 at the earliest.

>>54806948
>Normal people can have problems too.
Yeah, but their problems aren't as important. I matter so much more because I'm different, you know?

>>54806990
Technocrats are still Mages.

>>54806990
Exarchs are above the God machine. But nice try demon baby. Everyone knows demons can't do shit outside of going loud

>>54806975
Actually I'm pretty sure that sidebar, if I know which one you're talking about, was about how Demons are effectively sexless, and don't really care about switching between the two when they flip flop between covers.

More of a genderfluid thing than anything.

People kept trying to use it to troll in threads. But it is perfectly logical, and would honestly make less sense if it wasn't the case.

But you might be right, and I may just not remember the sidebar you're talking about.

>>54807025
>demons
haha loser. Technocracy has Proper Machine Angels at their back with the God Machine. God machine literally above the Exarches. Get Mad

>>54807025
Not to mention the sidebar in Demon talking about how scared Demons are of Mages.

>>54807054
>God machine literally above the Exarches

Let's not do this again, lest the Magefags start bringing out their citations once more.

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>>54807025
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of all your veins bursting

>>54807078
Life can do that, and so much more.

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These threads get so quiet sometimes.

>>54807070
>The cuck of Dave comments
How long are you going to let Dave fuck your wife behind your back Anon?
>>54807078
>Demon
Yeah demons get fucked on. Angels rule your shit the BIG GM all the way

>>54807142
What did you do filter the word mage?

>>54807142

>None of my posts were blocked

I feel vindicated in my DE2 doomsaying.

>>54806893
vampire is a better straight forward metaphor for sexual violence but yeah changeling as PPST survivors was hard coded in 1ed

>>54807152
You type like a 13 year old fresh from /b/

Why can't you all learn to just love and accept each other?

>>54807199
>I'm on 4chan
No shit. What is it your first day on /tg?

Why do you always go for the sexual stuff though ?
Can't Changeling just be an adventure/horror game with fairies, freaky shit, abusive relationships ?
Can't Vampire be about being monsters and drinking blood and non-politicized molestation?
Also, this >>54807207

>>54807230
>>54807199
>>54807152
eat a dick
both of you

>>54807207
BECAUSE THOSE DAMNED MAGEFAGS THINK THEY'RE BETTER THAN US

>>54807246
>Why do you always go for the sexual stuff though ?
>Can't Changeling just be an adventure/horror game with fairies, freaky shit, abusive relationships ?
>Can't Vampire be about being monsters and drinking blood and non-politicized molestation?
Ask OPP/nu-WW that question.

>>54807207
>What is radical free speech?
It is the freedom to call you a [insert fan material+fag] and no one cares
>>54794147

>>54807259
Probably because they are

>>54807246
>Why do you always go for the sexual stuff though ?
I don't know why does sex scare you?

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>>54807260
But, you do have free will, yes ?
You claim to have mastered the power of imagination ? Role playing game ?
You can willingly choose to interpret information a certain way ?
Or have you been memed to cerebral death ?
>>54807286
Mages are objectively more powerful
Magefags are subhuman scum
>>54807299
pic related

>>54807246
Honest answer.
Sex is a critical part of the human experience.
It hooks directly into the desires for many, it feels amazing, it makes you feel connected.
But it also makes you vulnerable, physically and emotionally. It leaves you that way long past the act itself sometimes too.

When sex is used as a weapon, rape, molestation, abuse, that is a kind of horror that rivals many of the other themes in the game lines, and often is straight up worse.

Many people would much rather imagine being in a brawl with an angry werewolf, than imagine being sexually assaulted by one.

Sexual violence takes advantage of that vulnerability, rips away something that should be a genuine joy in your life, and can spoil it for you forever. Few other themes can do that.

It isn't for everyone, which is respectable and just fine. But trying to take it away as an option just takes away from a series of games that are supposed to be about that kind of deep personal horror.

>>54807335
>But, you do have free will, yes ?
Why would I pay for a game that I played for the inventive setting-rules connection when that connection has been severed by the introduction of a bizarre transgender screed?

If it ends up being that sort of thing I'll just go back to playing 1e and pretend the new books never existed.

>>54807335
Yes you're doing a very good job. We get it. Please stop projecting, the show is over.

>>54807358
Wow you sound salty as fuck /pol/tard

I'm in an argument with a potentially ex-friend

How would an Archmage take on two True Fae, each representing day and night. All three are within Arcadia.

>>54807034
It says that they're sexless in the first paragraph, but in the second it then goes on to say what I said.

>>54807813
>Not liking shit design is now /pol/
Well holy fuck then call me Hitler.

>>54807078
>the result for dramatic failure
Jesus Christ I don't even know if I would risk it.

>>54807350
>Many people would much rather imagine being in a brawl with an angry werewolf, than imagine being sexually assaulted by one.
Hey speak for yourself, buddy.

I want a female werewolf to forcibly take me in the Amazon position. Whichever form.

>>54807813
If being normal is poltarded then I'd better check pol out desu. They must be on to something in that case.

>>54807900
I suggest you apologize to your friend, and then add 'power levels' to the list of things you never discuss with them, right between 'religion' and 'politics'.

>>54807900
No Archmaster is going to challenge the Gentry within Arcadia, not unless they're prepped with Imperial Magic.

Is a Werewolf's fur the color of their hair?

>>54808018
Rule of cool.

>>54807970
Hey I said many people. I actually read a fapfic of pretty much that.

But we aren't exactly the status quo here.

>>54808013
You do know even in arcadia true fae are still trapped in their stories, not all powerful, right?

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>>54807900
Seven dots is enough to alter True Fae and their powers. It's right there in the text.

>>54808144
Yeah, and the fae can also use Imperial magic so they fix themselves back up afterwords.

Fuck off.

>>54808205
Source

>>54808205
Imperial magic doesn't exist in Awakening

>>54808205
1) no they can't
2) how do you fix something you don't know is broken?

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>>54808205
6+ don't use Imperial Magic. They can emulate some of them, but they're more of a pointer to help STs when throwing enemies at Archmage players.

The True Fae function differently in Equinox Roads than Imperial Mysteries.

>>54808361
So does IM make gods look stronger than they actually are?

The god-tier charts given in Imperial Mysteries were modeled off of old White Wolf products.

Masquerade had Mages and Werewolves use 'Disciplines' instead of Spheres and Gifts.

>>54808281
Yes it does. What do you think Archmages use? Imperial Mysteries hasn't been totally updated for 2e yet, but the Imperial Practices still exist. They're mentioned in 2e, under the Imperial Mysteries section starting on p.251. And according to Dave, they haven't changed very much.

>>54808487
Until I see it in writing I don't believe you

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>>54808549
I'm sure some other anon has the screencap of Dave expanding on Imperial Practices for 2e, unless you're going to dismiss the developer of the game. Either way, Imperial magic does exist.

>>54808549
>Being this butthurt about the GM's Fae traps
Geez man just get over it. If the gm npc fucks your pc. Just find a better gm

>>54808633
Easier said than done. Are you willing to be my new GM fuccboi? Thought so.

>>54808661
I don't know about GM, but I'll be your fuccboi.

>>54808675
gay

>>54808361
So if I wanted to use the Gentry in my Archmage Chronicle, would I use the rules from Imperial Mysteries or Equinox Roads? Or maybe both?

What are some good Merit and/or fighting style combos? This is going to be for a low level mortal game. Think 'John Wick' mixed with 'Supernatural'.

>>54808979
Danger Sense?

>>54808813
Doesn't matter

>>54808989
I'm told there is an 'op' combo with heavy weapons?

>>54808813
Use whichever you prefer.
However going by what we've seen of the new Gentry rules in CtL 2e's dev material, they're Wyrd 6-10 entities and each of their titles runs of non-ephemeral stats. They don't use the Rank system.

The stat range means they range from "gets their ass kicked by a Rank 4-5 Spirit" all the way to being probably beyond non-Archmaster-grade entities.

>>54805877
>How do you run Super Heroes in World of darkness

By reading the book and running the game as it was written, obviously.

Silly question: if I were to write up Frisk from Undertale as a Mage for shits and giggles, what would their Path and Order be? I'm guessing that they are an Acanthus of the Silver Ladder. Which Arcana do they have besides Time 5?

>>54811073
>Undertale

Get out

>>54811073
Acanthus

>>54811073
Spirit for all the weird monsters?
Death for the Soul stuff?

So, if Taylor from Worm were to become a Werewolf from WtF, what Auspice would she be? So far I've really only gotten it down to 'not a Cahalith.' Maybe Elodoth, seeing as how Taylor's pretty judgey? Or Irraka, given that she tried to infiltrate a villain group? Or a Rahu, given that she's a pretty good tactician? Maybe you could take the Queen Administrator thing as her being suitable for Ithaeur?

>>54811390
From Worm? What?

>>54811428
From a work of fiction called Worm? Is that what you were asking?

>>54811459
Yeah, I guess. Is it a comic, a book, a TV series?

>>54811565
Web serial. It's pretty popular.

https://parahumans.wordpress.com/category/stories-arcs-1-10/arc-1-gestation/1-01/

>>54811582
>https://parahumans.wordpress.com/category/stories-arcs-1-10/arc-1-gestation/1-01/
So popular it is hosted on a free wordpress blog with next to no quality to the web design.

But either way, interesting.

>>54811582
Not really filthy backwards ass Shill

>>54811640
It's not like even popular web serials are lucrative. And it's in rough draft format right now.
>>54811647
I've met random people who have read it, IRL, so that's enough for me to call it popular.

>>54811675
But anyways, what Auspice would Taylor be, now that I'm done talking to people who don't know what google is?

>>54811675
>random people
That's a weird of saying your personal friends you asked to read it. You fantasies are dime novel store boring

>>54811711
No, I met a random person who had read it. But feel free not to believe me.

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Is bloodlines the best thing to come from the World of Darkness?

>>54811844
Bloodlines is crap

They put in werewolves, but not mages? Riot!

>>54806925
Nah, they wouldn't. Exarchs are to Archmages what Archmages to regular mages.

>who probably can't even interfere with the physical world
>what is fucking Ochemata

>>54811844
Barring you personal experience of an exceptionally awesome session of any WoD/CofD games? Yes

>>54811949
And it got so much better because of that.

>>54811844
>A glitchy game that barely runs is the best thing to come out of the world of darkness
Sound about right.

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>>54807055
It really does not. It states that they do not fuck with them because Mages are walking pile of problems for a Demon. They most likely won't help you in achieving whatever Hell you chose to pursue, they are insufferably inquisitorial which will erode your Cover. And if you cross one you'd most likely have to use considerably more supernatural resources just to deal with them. But according to fluff Demons are far more scared of stuff like idigam or just archangels.

I think that those little opinion tidbits form Destroyers and Saboteur sum it up the best.

>Only human when surprised.
but on the other hand
>pic related

I wonder how much mana poorer mages with prime have to burn using platonic form to make themselves clothes when some ornery mystery shreds it?

>>54811073
He does have a high Mind. Otherwise it is impossible to explain how does he find a way to appeal to each monster in seconds.

>>54812125
I never understood this. I literally never had any problem running it aside from poor frames in some areas.

>>54812192
I believe it was mentioned beforehand that surprising mages is easier said than done.

>>54812323
Depends on the mage, really. There are a few where it would be hard. But not everyone has time or fate.

>>54812323
Even if you surprised mage, there is only a few seconds before it won't matter if he was surprised or not.

Interesting werewolf lodges/nameless mystery cults you've cobbled together?

>>54812323
Well, they are Demons. Staying under is not just a matter of fending off some religious nut with pitchfork and garlic or a tracker with silver bullets. They have to hide from god. They are very good at it. But yes, I think that's what the Saboteur bit means. You have to fold yourself over to get a drop on that Mage. And when you do fell him you learnt hat nothing's changed because he was just some dick that wanted to know why you are an old, Chinese lady who can bench thrice her weight.

>>54812323
They're hard to surprise, yes. It's even harder to sufficiently ambush one. They have the best ways of escaping out of all the other splats.

You're dead if they do that. They will finish you from afar, or when you least expect it. Or just humiliate you at a later period. Or the next day. Or perhaps in the past.

>>54812385
Yeah, except you'd think Demons would be great at ambushing their enemies because of their covert natures. The fact that they find Mages difficult just speaks volumes concerning the power of Supernal magic.

>>54812363
Oh man. Not interesting, but TERRIBLE.

When I ran my first crossover game, which was like my second game mine you, the plot I came up with was a massive cult created by powerful members of the three main creeps.

At the time the best rules I had for cults was... I think they are in second sight? Not good, is what I'm getting at.

So the mages (most of the other characters either didn't end up facing cultist, or dropped. The werewolves were the only other players still running) ended up facing a bunch of weird guys with stomach mouths and tentacle arms.

But the grand plan, which thankfully the game died before reaching, was to create a Super Vampire who could use supernal magic, and manipulate spirits. Like some sort of nWoD Amazo.

The plot lead to stealing a mage soul, and imprisoning a ton of werewolves, and all sorts of other weird cult stuff that never should have worked.

All so I could have like... a Blade villain.

>>54811844
It's an interesting insight into the time and place. It's like a time capsule to a different time. It's got a cult following and people still mod it today.

>>54812448
They also find Werewolves on their home turf to be formidable. And Angry Promethans. I think that fluff is balanced in a way that every splat is very of the others. They the other kind of strange and it is supposed to be unsettling.

>>54812471
I hate you, and I love you. It's so gloriously horrible that i'm actually impressed. It sounds like it would have been an amazing game to play through.

>>54812408
Interesting, if you try to look into the past of a Demon's cover, do you see the past of the Demon, or do you see the person they stole that soul-stuff from?

I would imagine you would get spoofed, and if you failed because of the spoof you would see the history of the cover or something...

>>54812471
there is a vampire spirit discipline in one of the books

https://www.amazon.com/Spirits-World-Darkness-Ethan-Skemp/dp/1588464903

I think it is

>>54812337
It's not always Time or Fate. Take a Mastigos, for example. Let's say the guy is Adept at both of his Ruling Arcana, Gnosis 4. He's experienced. Holds a Consilium position, has Order status. He's important, which is why he's being targeted by whoever.

He never has to be on the street. Ever. He can teleport or Co-Locate to wherever he needs to go, provided he has the Sympathy, and it's not a big problem to get it when he doesn't have it. When he is on the street, he can use Impostor or Incognito Presence so you would never know it's him. His Santum will be Warded out the ass, with Mind added to alert him whenever a consciousness crosses over them. He would rarely have to sleep. He can use Space to conceal the entrance to his Sanctum, and then it turns out his "Sanctum" isn't really his Sanctum at all but some dummy apartment that holds a portal to his real Sanctum, that you would need Space Mage Sight to even see and a specified Key to then interact with.

>>54812587
>https://www.amazon.com/Spirits-World-Darkness-Ethan-Skemp/dp/1588464903
Looking now, it seems that it modifies existing disciplines? Just based on what I see if I look up disciplines in the book.

>>54812587
That's it. It's called Blood Tenebrous. First dot lets you talk to/see spirits. Second lets you feed vitae to spirits as essence. Third dot takes the vampire to the shadow. Fourth dot takes many people. Fifth dot lets you take on a half-possessed state, gaining access to spiritual numina and influences.

If you added a merit like ghost eater to let them devour spirits for essence, it sort of comes off like a more scientifically minded version of the Khaibit.

How bad will the new Werewolf video game be?

>>54812666
Oh I see it. It is like 40 pages later.

>>54812686
Probably pretty bad, if it happens at all.

>>54812686
What company are they even working with now for games? Paradox?

>>54812830
Yeah, I think Paradox. Go read the article for it, I think it's linked in the OP. The concept art is, uh, interesting.

Suppose a Buddhist Mage claims that he uses his magick via channeling/borrowing Buddha's, bodhisattvas, and/or devas' power. What Tradition would suit him the best?

>>54813387
Probably the Akashic Brotherhood. They're not perfect, but they share a lot of traits with Buddhism and believe on drawing from a greater whole. Sort of.

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>>54812323

Would the Technical Boy be an example of a Demon or a Beast?
http://americangods.wikia.com/wiki/Technical_Boy

>>54813972
I'd say all the 'New Gods' would be good examples of Angels.

They work for the authority, and have strange ways. They have a mission, but exactly what that mission is requires digging to figure out.

>>54813972
Sounds like a powerful Astral spirit.

>>54814003
>I'd say all the 'New Gods' would be good examples of Angels.
...Except for the Spooks, those are probably Magath.

I know Wood certainly is, given his origins as an Old God of Trees and Forest who gave those up with the encroachment of Industrialisation.

>>54813972
Scion

>>54814061
I know Scion is the best way to work with the New and Old Gods, I just wondered if you could use any other splats for this.

>>54814061
>>54814467
I mean, Scion doesn't use the exact same system. So it doesn't really help us here anyway.

What is Scion and who are the characters and things in it I can fuck?

>>54814541
Stop thinking with your dick

>>54814573
It has never led me astray.

>>54814541
They are just trolling.

Scion is not a world of darkness or chronicle of darkness game.

It is made by the same publisher, and relates to playing the children/harbingers/servants/chosen ones of gods.

>>54807900
The mage gets spitroasted to death for all eternity
A new star appears in the night sky, one who burns solely with the flames of disgust and shame
All is good in Arcadia and the Fae reign supreme over their supernal cocksleeves

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Need some help for a mage character concept

>Name: Gideon Grey
>Shadow Name: Psionis
>Path: Mastigos

>Bio: Gideon Grey was one of the few humans born with supernatural power. From birth Gideon was a telepath. From an early age he was tormented by terrible migraines and the incessant droning of human consciousness every waking moment. Eventually the droning became unearthly screaming, horrible visions, and terrifying nightmares in addition to the debilitating headaches. His single father was an abusive acoholic who mistreated him physically and emotionally. This culminated to the night of his awakening in his early teens where he finally had enough. Inadvertently he let out a psychic scream so powerful it killed everyone in his small village instantly. A local group of Guardians of Veil felt the disturbance and located Grey. They decided to take the gifted child in and teach him how to harness his magic in order to protect the world. Now known by his Shadow Name Psionis, Gideon has vowed to protect the world from those who would misuse their magical talents.

>"I will show you the true meaning of torment"

>>54815467
Anon didn't even tell us how powerful the Archmage is. The True Fae could be the ones roasting for all eternity for all we know.

>>54815479
Seems fine. Except for the 'everyone in the village dies' part. That's extremely unlikely. Would be more thematic (and traumatic) if he killed everyone in the household instead, with no one but himself to blame. But it's your Chronicle.

>>54815479
Very edgy. You might want to cut down on it, this boy is natural Banisher material.

>>54815479
Pretty fucking edgy-sue

>>54815515

Aren't the Gentry supreme within Arcadia though?

>>54815515
Well the only household member is his abusive father who he really didn't cry over
>>54815547
>>54815576
I thought CofD was supposed to be edgy

>>54815479
Why are people falling for this blatant false flag?

>>54815686
>I thought CofD was supposed to be edgy
Nah, try WoD. Character concept is a better fit for Ascension anyway, if it's even sincere. Which it's not.

>>54815722
Falling for bait is what makes these threads interesting

>>54815722
What are you on about? Seems like some effort was put into it albeit edgy

How could one reduce the number of cover rolls required for Demons ?
It feels like you're supposed to spend more time resolving cover compromises than actually playing the game

Would it make Demons too OP to determine that acting out of cover only triggers compromises rolls when it actually raises questions about the character ? Meaning that when they're unobserved, acting out of cover doesn't trigger cover rolls, and same when observed by people who know nothing about them ?
That would mean beating up a thug that's trying to rob in a dark alley will not trigger it, but doing it in front of your cover's wife would ?

Suspicious and criminal behavior may still trigger it because of human investigation

That would be explained because with stangers or tasks executed alone, there's no dissonance in the perception of the cover, which seems like the crucial point of cover

Otherwise, even the slightest altercation or adventure seems bound to end with a pack of hunter angels on your tail, and it also slows the game heaps

Alternatively, what do you think of taking into account each cover breaking point in a scene and rolling only one modified compromise roll at the end of each scene (when applicable) ?

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>>54815760
>demons too op
Can't do anything fun or cool with out alerting the GM and getting a bunch of lvl5 angels after you

>>54815757
The edge is part of what gives it away, along with the special snowflake shit and literally one of the same anime pictures that was used for one the other turbo edge false flag character concepts in an earlier thread, constructed in literally the same way.

>>54815806
So, memes aside, do you agree with my homebrew idea to make it more pleasant to play ?
Make the risk of compromise a bit lighter on the demon by having it act a bit like paradox in Aw 2e ?

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>>54815817
That is a manga picture and Mob Psycho is moderately popular and pretty damn good at that. It also isn't edgy in the slightest. To be honest I've read way edgier character concepts in the official books

>>54815866
>isn't edgy in the slightest
>tortured from birth with psychic powers
>abusive drunk dad who beats him and is mean
>awakens through pent up frustration, whereupon he kill everyone in his village with a psychic scream
>"I will show you the true meaning of torment"
Okay, this was fun but I'm too tired for a ruse cruise. Good luck with all your future baiting endeavors.

>>54815866
It is one of the defining characteristics of That Guy to not realize he is, in fact, That Guy
You're a living example of it, anon

>>54815935
>>54815957
I am not the original poster and I meant the manga image isn't edgy not the character concept

>>54815991
The source manga might not be edgy, but using that specific pic for character art kind of is

Anime is fucking terrible. Do not mix with WoD at all costs.

>>54816133
This. 2 things that really don't belong together.

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>>54816133
>>54816279
Anime is a billion times better than trans of darkness.

>>54816133
>>54816279
>>54816287
Anime blows donkey balls and that's a scientifically proven fact

>>54816287

See

>>54816422
There are a few good Animes. And they are good despite being Anime.

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>>54816431
>There are a few good Animes

Like what? Studio Ghibli?

>>54816460

Spirited away was cool imho. I don't even know if thats studio ghibli.

Stuff like Psycho Pass works as flat entertainment for a Season.

>>54816489
Spirited Away is indeed Studio Ghibli

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>>54816422
Just like Cod

>>54816460
Some Ghibli
Some Satoshi Kon
Cowboy Bebop
Some of Ghost in the shell

There are others but not many

Most of the rest is pretty shit, standardized media optimized for easy consumption

>>54816497
Weird way to spell oWoD

>>54816510
I consider One Piece utter crap, but for some reason I can't stop following it due to how surreal the setting is.

>>54816496
>>54816489
But awful

>>54816489
>>54816496
How woulf you adapt Spirited Away for CofD ?

My best bet is Changeling, but most of the action is set in Arcadia/the Hedge
The Witch's sister lives in the Hedge and the tramway is a way out of Arcadia
There's also the obvious warping of humans, the different True Fae fighting over their plots of land (No-Face, that dragon kid and the Witch)
Somehow though the Fae likes to keep some of its personnel as more human looking

>>54816562
Yes, be a hipster by disregarding the sole gem of a genre that is complete shit.

>>54816572
Spirited Away is all Changeling material. It's the Alice in Wonderland of Japan.

>>54816589
Spirited Away is ghibli's like... 3rd worst. Complete nonsense weeb shit.

>>54816624
Uh huh

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>>54816547
The setting is acceptable, but the characters and plots ...

>>54816624
You don't actually know what the word weeb even means do you sweet summer child?

>>54816714
I coined that word, newfag.

>>54816714
>>54816612
Spirited Away in the USA is like pulling a katana out of your fedora.

>mage supremacy stops briefly
>anime and anti-anime shitposters break loose
this general is cursed
truly we live in a world of darkness

>>54816767
time for a Reckoning.
>the Hunter video game had that kawaii desu asian girl with the kamas
It's always been cursed.

>>54816767
>this general is cursed

An actual Acanthus did it

>>54816489
Princess Mononoke is pretty fun.

Also watching Kiki's Delivery Service with your little sister is pure comfy. Probably wouldn't enjoy it as much if I saw it by myself though.

>>54816799
Kiki is pretty fun to watch as a family
Most Ghiblis are in general because of the different levels they play on

>>54816799
>>54816856
Nausicaa and Castle in the Sky are the truest of kinos.

>>54811844
> Deb isn't a Nosferatu psyop

What kind of comparison is there between CtD and CtL Changelings in terms of power level and endgame campaigns? I only have experience with CtL.

CtL changelings have cheap and versatile contracts made even cheaper to use with catches, pledges, tale crafting, entitlements, mantle, and other stuff. On top of that, their "resource" is very easy to obtain and recover. They can't really beat other supernaturals in a fair, straight-up fight, but they're really good at stacking the deck in their favor.

On the other hand, I hear from others that CtD changelings are kind of pushovers compared to the other WoD supernaturals, can't really throw their weight around much, and have a harder time replenishing their power once spent. Does CtD amount to basically playing otherkin larpers, or is there something to them worth playing for players who want to become badasses?

>>54817185
If you want to be badass than changeling is and never has been the game for you

>>54817472
I think >>54817185 meant relatively speaking. You'd be an idiot to underestimate an endgame CtL changeling, even if they aren't Archmage tier. Never played CtD myself, but apparently changelings got a big buff in C20 to their magic so they're at least stronger than they were before; dunno by how much, though. Just read through the C20 book and see if that's for you. It's not for everyone though. It's very inconsistent in what it wants to be as a game. It mostly deals with personal issues of childhood and growing up, etc, but also has rules for epic scope campaigns and warfare. It's simultaneously the most campy and fluffy WoD game as well as the most depressing.

>>54817472
Changelings can be really scary when done right
Just because you can't come up with any cool concepts for it doesn't mean the game doesn't mean better people can't

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>>54817596
>>54817616
Keep telling yourself that prancing la homo fairy

>>54817472
>If you want to be badass than changeling is and never has been the game for you

Tell that to my Ogre that gives the knot to Urathas

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>>54817998
You're lying

>>54816767
This general is just shit. Magefagging always starts again so there is no point in starting a productive discussion.

Btw the pro anime dudes are the magefags.

>>54818017
Don't struggle, pupper
It will all be ogre soon

>>54818017
>You're lying

A combination of Ogre Contracts, Seeming blessing and a shit ton of merit through XP and pledges. Immobilize woof on the first turn and choke him to death, Knot it afterwards.

>>54817920
Gee, I wonder what's scarier - a sexy leech that wears too much mascara, an overgrown wolf that does the same thing to you as any regular wolf does, or a semi-omnipotent Uncanny Valley humanoid that can twist your body, mind, and soul into anything it pleases on a whim?

>>54818034
>Btw the pro anime dudes are the magefags
Unsurprising to say the least

I jus want a place where I can discuss Demon, Vampire, Changeling, Hunter and maybe Beast and Mummy, but although it's clear people actually play these games, they always get baited and sidetracked

What's your favorite splat, anon ?

>>54818096
As much as I love CtL, the last one you described is a Fae, not a Changeling

>>54818017
>>54818068
There's also the fact that, you know, silver is a lot easier to get a hold of than cold iron.

>>54815617
Where do people get this shit from?

>>54818097
>What's your favorite splat, anon ?

To run, apocalypse. To play Forsaken/Los when dm doesnt get to faggie with the abuse metaphor.

>>54818129
From pretty much every single CtL book that mentions the Fae. They're basically omnipotent within Arcadia proper, and I say "basically", because they can be outwitted (or, depending on the Fae or GM, allow themselves to be outwitted) and can't act outside of their nature. You can't even kill one properly without going to absurdly extreme lengths, since they have multiple Names and souls and whatnot. That antlered elf you just knifed? He's also the birds, the furniture, the castle and all the land around it.

>>54818189
Ive read/skimmed most of the CtL books and that shit didnt rub off on me.

I think its just faeriefags saying anything not to get mauled by archmasters.

>>54818097

>Whats your favorite splat anon?

Masquerade with common sense mode and ignoring the metaplot (and some stolen requiem stuff).

I would die to play in a CtL round.

CofD Mummy also seems really nice.

And a Peyote fueled Fear and Loathing style Werewolf round.

>>54818136
Never understood the appeal of Werewolf
The whole "but actually they're the good guys" schtick is so forced and unconvincing
Werewolves should be brutal monsters, not defenders of nature or spirit cops

>>54818278
It's outright stated in the books that the Fair Folk are all-powerful within Faerie/Arcadia. Full-stop, the only thing that can match a Fae in Arcadia would be an Archmage or another Fae. That's kind of the big dilemma of Equinox Road - that the only way to truly stop the Gentry is to have so much Wyrd that you inevitably one, and by then, you've just replaced one Fae with another.

The only thing stopping them from overrunning humanity is that their power is exponentially restricted in the human world. That's why they have to send out Loyalists/Privateers/Huntsmen to do their dirty work and only occasionally kidnap a human or two instead of snatching entire towns of them.

>>54818364
>The whole "but actually they're the good guys" schtick is so forced and unconvincing

To me thats kind of the point. Garou (apocalypse) have good goals that their society uses it to place them in the moral highground.

However that doesnt make them good by default and its all the intricate politics and the fact that you can never (as players usually) do just draw your line on the sand and say "no more this" because then you die and nothing gets done. Changing the Garou nation for the better is a subtle game of politics and compromises that slowly erodes your souls.

As for forsaken.....i dont get it either to be honest. I could maybe buy spirits cop but now they just hedonist shapeshifters that just exist to get off on hunting. And the games doesnt offer you more than hunt one of each of the 5 preys, then a Idigam. Not really sure whats the point of Forsaken. No society to speak off and nothing else to grab onto.

However as mechanics go its sadly the best mechanics for werewolf from all the 5 editions.

>>54818421
Its outright stated that Archmasters are all powerful full stop but people keep arguing over it.

>>54818448
I've always found the concept for both Werewolf games to be cool, but the werewolves as a faction/race are incredibly unsympathetic. It's basically their own fault that the world got fucked up. Either the Garou went and killed or alienated every other werebeast that was meant to preserve the balance of Gaia, or the Forsaken killed Father Wolf and deported all the spirits. Now you, as a player, have to spend every campaign of every werewolf game ever making up for your predecessors' mistakes, and you can't refuse or the world really will end. Oh, and you're flat-out expected to fail in WtA, ut hey, at least you die fighting. You're either a bloodthirsty hippy ecoterrorist or a significantly less powerful bloodthirsty ghost border patrol agent. There's not a lot of middle ground to be found there.

>>54818551
Mostly, I think it's because Mages are ultimately only as powerful as their players can cheese them out to be, and how prepped they are at any given time. It's the same reason why /co/ has nonstop arguments about what can and can't beat Preptime Batman. Like, a chemistry or physics major can come up with some extremely out-of-the-box applications for Forces, but what good is Forces if all you can think of are throwing fireballs, ice, and lightning? The question really is, how much bullshit can you pull off and get away with before the non-Mage players flip the board and give up.

>>54818551
And all powerful beings are utterly uninteresting and have no place in a game that's about overcoming obstacles
Also white room X vs Y arguments are pointless
>>54818448
Maybe I'm just not down with the whole garou hypocrisy, then

>>54818097
>What's your favorite splat, anon ?
Changeling, both CtL and CtD, followed by VtM and Promethean. But I've never managed to play any of those except VtM, because good fucking luck finding a group online that's playing anything but Vampire. And that's out of the slim minority of people who don't wanna play D&D or Pathfinder. You (and I) are better off convincing your own group to try them instead.

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>>54818097
>>54818136
>>54818343
Anybody that doesn't have MAGE as their favorite splat truly deserves to live in a World of Darkness

>>54818764
For me, it's VtR, DtD, HtV and CtL, although that last one is mainly my partner's thing even though I DM with them
Also I don't think playing any iteration of WoD online with strangers would be a wise thing

We've been waiting for ages to start again one giant CtL campaign, one giant Hunter campaign and one giant Vampire campaign, but it's been a bitch to organise since I was away very often and, just as I come back for good, half our players are going away ...

Currently trying to fix up a solo Demon campaign for my partner because we're so starved for rp we'd rather just do our own thing for two

>>54818574
They killed father wolf because he was getting too old and too weak to keep the spirits in check dumbass. Also how in the hell are apocalypse woofs significantly stronger than a 2e forsaken?

>>54818877
>partner
Gaydar alert Gaydar alert. Why don't you just say boyfriend instead of beating around the bush

>>54818930
Anon please he obviously means his police partner. He's a loose cannon cop who doesn't play by the rules. It actually gets pretty annoying.

>>54818930
We're actually a man/woman couple, both with original parts and plumbing
I just don't think it was important to my post to precise our genders and/or orizntation

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>>54818068
>>54818096
What ever you say buddy

>>54818898
>Also how in the hell are apocalypse woofs significantly stronger than a 2e forsaken?

Because of aggravated claws & fangs, poorly implemented multiaction and even poorly balance gifts.

>>54819997
Even than 6th gen and above Vamps, and Master Mages were stronger

>>54820131

Sure (though in the case of vamp depends on the build of the woof. There are some specifics "fuck you i win vamp" builds) but the question was "how apocalypse woof are stronger than forsaken woofs)

>>54820221
Got any examples of bullshit Vampire builds ? For research purposes

>>54820283
Masquerade or requiem?

>>54820283
Play mage
Suck STcock
Do anything

>>54820362
I play Requiem, but I'll take whatever you like best

Saw the Storyteller's Vault announcement on White Wolf's twitter, and it seems like with this, people can legally publish their own VtM novels. Anyone familiar with copyright law know how much someone can legally borrow from a game like WoD's setting for their own original novel until they're officially infringing copyright?

>>54820422
Good I only play requiem as well. Physicals at 5 across the board, Protean 4, Vigor 5, Coil of the Wyrm 5, Riding the Wave Style 5, Blood Potency 5. That right there is a vampire with 24 dice of attack at +2 Lethal Damage assuming she spends willpower every turn.

>>54820283

There is rank 5 silver fang that you roll gnosis with difficulty enemies wp, each success removes a supernatural abilitie

And a rank 6 sf gift that both roll gnosis vs wp difficulty 8. If the garou wins the vamp dies.

>>54811949
what would have been the role of a mage in bloodlines?

>>54820547

Builds like that are the reason why some vamp players go absolutely bonkers when they're advised that game balance is a myth and a straight out of character generation mage with as little as Forces 2 can effectively no sell their maxed-put powergamer monstrosity.

>fisticuffs is so gauche

>Vampire and Werewolf Tears

>>54820493

Pretty much any setting term that isn't accepted as regular monster terminology could be a violation of IP. You can have two factions of Vampires with sub-clans that fight in your novel, they just can't be the Camarilla or the Sabbat with the Venture, Toreador and the like. Nosferatu can work as long as they're not completely White Wolf Nosferatus.

>>54806251
>Hunter 2e

Yes, I need this. Hunter's actually decently popular, I wonder why it's not discussed much in this general.

>>54820661
IIRC, as long as you don't copy specific mechanics or original names, anything's fair game. So you can write about vampires maintaining a masquerade, but you can't call it The Masquerade, or you can write about the conflict between a vampire's intellect and instinct, but you can't refer to it as Humanity and the Beast.

But then you get to things like CtD, where the names for their clans are the actual names they have in mythology, and there's no way around it. I imagine the line gets a little blurrier then, but those are probably impossible to enforce copyright on anyway.

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>>54820651
In my chronicle mages don't exist so the jokes on you haha

>>54820493
The vault only applies to oWoD/WoD anyway right?

>>54821284
Go back to bed Charlaine, not so famous author of the Southern Vampire Mysteries, inspiration and source for HBO hit series True Blood.

>Black Dog Game Factory label is back
So, who's ready for Savage Genitalia?

>>54821307
Currently, the Vault isn't out yet, and will apply only to VtM. White Wolf plans to release future updates to the Vault for each oWoD game over time. White Wolf leaves anything nWoD/CofD-related to Onyx Path, so no Vault there, unless OPP decided to make one themselves.

So someone on the OP forums said Scrooge McDuck is an Anakim Collector. I say he is closer to a Sleepwalker with Status in the Mysterium (those adventures in Duck Tales where he hunts relics in ancient ruins and such is very similar to what the Mysterium does). His first coin has turned into a really powerful Artifact for Mysterious reasons, which is why so many people try to steal it. He may even be a Proximus of the Masters Of Coin Dynasty. Which one sounds more likely to you?

>>54821661
He is just a member of the Aegis Kai Doru, and keeps all the crazy stuff he collects on his hunts because they may come in handy.

>>54821840
Agreed. He was a great adventurer back in his day, which is very fitting for AKD.

>>54818097
Hunter: The Vigil. Custom building whatever monster you want as an ST, and as a player being a normal human fighting back against the night is such a good theme. Hunter also rewards plans, ambushes, and fighting smart.

>>54821229
It is because talking about Hunters tends to bring out people who don't play Hunter, but see talk of creeps being fought.

You tell a cool story about the time your cell took out a vampire.

Suddenly, "NO WAY THAT SHOULD HAVE WORKED, A VAMPIRE COULD KILL A WHOLE ROOM OF HUMANS EASY!"

Mix that with most Hunter games being very custom, and not being backed by a ton of lore. It means that most Hunter talk is just storytime of cool sessions, or cool synopsis for sessions, or of homebrew.

>>54822689
You're a bro

>>54822725
I'd be down to read some Hunter storytime

>>54822725

>Vampire players are the ones engaging in splat comparisons and powerwank
>not mage '"'player'"'

Apart from the bait you are right though.

>>54822811
Pretty sure he didn't use mage specifically to avoid mage posters.>>54822811

>>54822915
This is correct.

I figured there are like 9 game lines or something. If I don't mention Mage, maybe people won't go back to pro/anti-mage talk.

>>54822771
Thanks. I'm glad the Hunter fans are all here now.

>>54822805
Same. I've actually got a session soon so I can't post, but I'd love to hear them.

>>54822992
I might post some egyptian shenanigans later in the evening
Or maybe I'll forget

I know this is Mage talk, but I'm wondering something.

With all the shenanigans any particular mage can get into, how does an Interfector execute anything? Like, wouldn't they have to be significantly more powerful than whatever mage they are going after?

What happens when a mage more powerful than the interfector is deemed worthy of punishment by a heirarch?

I would guess they would get help from other mages, but their target is probably part of a cabal of their peers right?

Like, are there certain arcana best for going ham on another mage?

>>54823335
Interfector is not one-man army. He is the executor and repo man. His work is to intimidate, punish and execute, not to fight.

>>54823432
Yeah uh, seems like the later two there may lead to fights if the other mage doesn't agree.

If they aren't there to be the one who fights, then that sounds like it falls under a Sentinel's job description.

>>54823335
>>54823432
As for Arcana, Prime is definetely the best Arcanum to use against other Mage. Universal counterspell, magical shields, anti-magic - if you succeed at shutting down magic of your enemy, he isn't any more dangerous than another Sleeper to you.

>>54823467
>Interfector: Masked executors of justice who carryout the sentences the Consilium passes.
That's what Interfectors are. Actual police/army job in Awakened society is split between Guardians and Arrows more or less evenly.

>>54823521
But Interfector IS a Guardian job.

>>54823583
Yes, and that's executor job. His fellow Guardians find the suspect and determine his fault, Arrows neutralize him, Consilium passes the judgement, Interfector carries it out. Nowhere does it says that Interfector has to do the first two things alone.

>>54806028
They aren't cancer, they're AIDS.

>>54821229
Fags can't powerwank about Hunters, and if they see people talking about Hunter they feel the urge to powerwank about their own shitty characters.

>so we killed a vampire
>oh YEAH well just try and kill me with Mind 5 Prime 9 where I can literally think shit into existence pssh nothing personal kid

>>54823672
>I can literally think shit into existence

>Only requires Prime 3...

>>54823672
Why the fuck would one need Mind 5 to think shit into existence? You can do that with every Arcana from level 1, that's what Imago is.

>>54823748
>>54823721
Guys, guys, hyperbole.

>>54806833
It's not like these games are Wraethuthu. The trans/queer writers with an agenda have pushed their stuff through more in the last few years because of the lack of managerial oversight but these games are designed for the mainstream, with perhaps a bit of a left leaning bent, by and large, Beast being the terribly executed, shameful exception.

Why do the lower depths still exist?

Like, we have better demons. They aren't abyssals. They still aren't empyrean hell demons.

Don't we have enough types of demons to just not have a lower depths?

>>54806906
For such a miniscule percentage of the population, trans people sure do expect a lot of games to be devoted to them, don't they?

>>54823817
>Like, we have better demons.
Where do we have them? How do they relate to Supernal?

>>54823927
God-Machine demons.

But speaking of the Supernal, I forgot Pandemonium demons (which would just be some sort of supernal entity, but still. Yet another demon type).

We really really don't need the lower depths.

>>54823521
Remember a Council is more of a legal system to stop cabals from blowing each other up all the time. Guardians and Arrows are more like political philosophies not a governmental body. They have to be a Sentinel of the local Consilum for some marginal sense of legality.

>>54823848
More like they expect a lot of special mentions in any and all forms of entertainment they enjoy.

>>54823817
For 'Mystery™' maybe they're what happens to previous incarnations of the tellurian before an Archmage fucks with reality, maybe they're fragments of the time before, maybe The Gate is bored and decided to create something free from the abyss, etc.

>>54824055

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>>54815479
oWoD approved

Also, completely Mage: The Awakening appropriate, because MtA is not nWoD/CofD.

>>54816589
It's more of a medium than a genre.

>>54818364
I'd recommend reading WtF 2e if you have enough free time on your hands. It really puts them in a new light, at least it did for me. I never found them a very interesting splat at all, but 2e turned things around entirely, and... the whole "werewolves must hunt" thing really ups the primality of it, while, overall the book provides a lot more clarity, at least in my mind to just what to do with a pack of these characters. You are at war with the Pure, in a cold war over territory with other forsaken, and the battles you fight do get bloody, and while you are forbidden to kill, those rules have... some flexibility, and the killing happens, and things get pretty damned brutal that way. And then you figure in the whole shadow/spirit world. And humanity. Managing/controlling your territory. Finding places of spiritual power, managing them, controlling the dangerous ones, taking advantage of those that can be safely taken advantage of... it is a complex game, and the pack system seems to make it more of a your party against the world thing rather than the backstabbing shit that seems to go on in Vampire and Mage games.

>>54824501
Don't compare proud mages to sneaky chronic backstabbing leeches Mr. Pupper

>>54818421
Yet no matter how powerful they are, they are still stuck in their stories and can never break type, leaving them easily manipulated by a clever even non master mage. FFS changelings escape all the time, that's the whole fucking game. Mages have more robust abilities than a chargen changeling, all they'd have to do is figure out the story.

>>54825847
You're not very bright, are you ?
Faes let Changelings escape because that's how they reproduce

>>54826070
No, its because they are literally stuck in their stories. Have you ever read a changeling book?

>>54826138
Case in point.