>longbow >katana >full plate harness What other weapons

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>>54774703
Chainsaws and chain-swords are quite memetastic

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I actually also forgot one of the big ones, the desert eagle

>>54774703
>longbow
>meme

Spotted the butt hurt knightfag who can't accept volleys of arrows crushing your ranks

>>54775784

No see that's why "full plate harness" is also a meme weapon, fully capable of withstanding a nuclear bomb, floating in water, and able to cut a tank in half with a single vertical elbow drop

>>54774703
>>54776151
Full plate is far from meme-status though. Most people who point fanboy over it mostly use counter-arguments to such shit like katana's being able to cut a tank in half or longbows killing knights by the dozens (even though the most famous longbow-centric battle in history was famous for how many enemies survived as prisoners). Full plate actually allowed men at arms of the time to survive most things the enemy threw at them (figuratively and literally), otherwise they wouldn't wear it.

It's far from the weapon of samurai honor that was even relevant in WW2 except when it wasn't and the weapon that won the HYW except it didn't. Mostly because, unlike the other two, there's no national myth associated with it.

Which brings us back on topic: any meme weapon is basically a "national" weapon that the nation in question overhypes for obvious reasons.

>>54774819
Glocks too

>>54776366
So the .44 magnum for America?

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>>54774703
"Meme" implies an overabundance of unreasonableness. Full plate is genuinely amazing and superior to any other kind of armor up until firearm ballistics advanced enough to make the required thickness and therefor weight undesirable.

>>54775784
Shouldn't you be memeing about "peasant infantryfags" or "men-at-armsfags" or something instead? Knights are more liable to be heavily armored, like with full plate, and less susceptible to arrows.

>>54776484
Likewise, glocks make excellent carries for civilians and excellent field sidearms in a world where sidearms are barely used. They aren't necessarily the best in every single area conceivable, but they're at least sufficient in any given area, extremely reliable, lightweight, compact, high capacity, dead fucking simple to use, learn, and service, and have proven themselves over many years of combat, instilling the confidence and trust in servicemen using them that's very important psychologically even if you put it up against something that, on paper, allegedly matches or outperforms it but hasn't been combat tested over several years.

>>54776652
I guess. Then again, I did see some faggots here talk about the Deagle. Oh, and I guess the AK-47 is the meme weapon of choice for commies, contrarians and cowadoody kids. It's true that it's a highly simple weapon that can survive great exposure to elements without jamming, but that doesn't make it an overall good weapon. Just a simple one, and therefore bretty gud for guerillas. But there's a reason why professinal forces today even in Russia don't use it.

>>54774703
How does the rapier fare against other weapons? It seems like a super specialized weapon.

>>54776853
for its time and place, the rapier was sufficient for its needs

lightweight, good reach, and deadly in the right hands, it was a very good weapon for self defense , either for civilians or as a sidearm for troops

>>54776853
>>54776889
I'm not quite sure about using a rapier in a in the field context, but the estoc is kind of like a big thick stiff heavy ass rapier and that's pretty sick.

>>54776889
Rapiers are far from light

>>54776889
>lightweight

Your average rapier weighs as much as a broadsword and more than most medieval arming swords. Its weight and mass spread out over a greater length, making it less agile on the cut but very nimble for thrusting.

>>54777017
would you rather i called it "unencumbering"?

in any case, it was much lighter than other renaissance swords like the long sword or estoc

>>54776853
>>54776980
Depends of the type of weapons but in an unarmored fight, it's totally capable of fighting longsword, broadsword, sword and buckler, short spear, anything but greatsword and heavy polearms really. Rapier is actually a good all-around weapon for unarmored fighting, and it's even more capable paired with a dagger (which is very often was).
Rapier meant for battle were a bit more meaty and by that time, foot armor was mostly a breatplate and a helmet, so it's not that inefficient in a pinch.

Estoc weren't used anymore when rapier were the thing, they were a late 15th c. thing and quickly went away.

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>>54776980
>I'm not quite sure about using a rapier in a in the field context

Pikemen were using it as their sidearm for a hundred years or so.

>>54777072
Not really, Longsword are 1.3-1.5, rapier are 1-1.25 usually.
Also, rapier and longsword weren't exactly used in the same time period, when one went away, the other was rising (late 16th century).

>>54776652
The revolver in general IMO. Wild West and all that. It's either that or the Colt 1911.

>>54776747
The Russians still use a Kalashnikov rifle just chambered in 5.45 instead of 7.62x39. So does Finland (though it's a locally produced one) and most former Warsaw pact countries.

>>54777072
>>54777118
Also, a rapier is a one-handed sword whilst a long sword is two-handed.

>>54777165
I think his point was Russia's excuse for Special Operation Forces might use AR-15s and shit instead. That being said none of those countries you mentioned, including Russia, really have combatants approaching the quality of proper Western countries anyway, so I don't see how it matters.

>>54774703
Women

>>54777205
Лoл

>>54777097
Wouldn't rapiers be hell to use in a dense formation?

>>54777231
Why? It's a stabbing weapon.

>>54777241
It's a relatively long stabbing weapon.

>>54777241
Yeah, but it's also a long weapon. If someone is in your face, you have to draw your arm like three feet behind yourself in order to use the rapier.

>>54777226
Please don't start telling me about how Beslan was a success.

>>54777263
Лoл again
Please tell me how you would handle it better against terrorists who are willing to die and kill everyone within the building. Go on, make up your beautiful story.

>>54777260
Nothing stops you carrying a knife as well.

>>54777205
They might use an AR occasionally but US forces also use AKs occasionally. There is a beneficial clandestine component to this. It's hard to compare special forces as they perform very different roles between the US and Russia.

The reason it does matter is because that anon specifically said no actual army including Russia uses them and that is flat wrong. "Quality" of soldiers was irrelevant to the topic.
>>54777263
Belan was an unwinnable situation for any force on the planet. Parts of it could definitely have been handled better but there was no way innocents were not going to die by the dozens.

>>54777282
I probably would have advised against shoving BTR fire and thermobarics up the asses of the civilians I was supposed to save and shredding the majority of the hostages that actually had gotten away. I'll humor you though. It's been a while, but going off of what I remember from the situation, instead of doing a full frontal retard assault when doing a fucking hostage rescue, I would have infiltrated the second floor of the wing facing Comintern street with my assault platform and then go naturally from there. Competent SIGINT would jam the instant after their last check in, giving you a few minutes to CNS shoot the headman, who was the one with the trigger to the suspended explosives in the gym and the ability to remote detonate the other target's vests. Priority then switches to CNS shooting anyone else that can detonate explosives, and then finally to the secondary problem, ie the ones that just have guns and were already known to be having qualms killing the kids.

Would hostages have been lost either way? Sure. But competent Western SOF would have greatly, massively, ludicrously reduced the amount of losses. Regardless, that's all you're going to get. I already broke my policy of discussing these kinds of things with people that obviously aren't combat arms, let alone people that have never served, let alone people that have never served, have some weird obsession with the oh so mysterious "elite" slav "operators" on an anonymous anime imageboard. Bye now.

>>54777476
>But competent Western SOF would have greatly, massively, ludicrously reduced the amount of losses.
Yeah sure whatever

>>54776889
>rapier
>lightweight

My man we're talking about a long sword with the same weight as an actual longsword

>>54777493

Thus proving the gentleman's point.

>>54777476

Thank you elegan/t g/entleman.

>>54779933
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>54774703
Assassin's dagger

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>>54776853
>How does the rapier fare against other weapons? It seems like a super specialized weapon.

To accurately answer your question, I need to flip your sentence a little.

>It seems like a super specialized weapon.
It is a weapon for fighting unarmoured or lightly armoured targets, while being unarmoured or lightly armoured yourself. The height of the rapier and later small sword is during the firearm revolution, (where the cost of a musket is cheaper than armour that won't stop it, and the training is a fraction of the time). Reach, compact defense, point control, the option to cut and exclusionary target distance are it strengths.

>How does the rapier fare against other weapons?

It fares amazingly. We have plenty of documented records on non euros fighting against them. Famously, the Japanese had so many men die in duels against the Portuguese, that they banned gainjin from carrying swords. Then the young samurai started buying rapiers, and were killing each other in duels at an alarming rate, requiring the swords to be banned out right.

There are also specialized manuals for the use of rapiers vs other ethnocentric weapons. Pic related.

>>54777250
>It's a relatively long stabbing weapon.
>Pike formation
Relatively speaking, its a short stabbing weapon to a pikeman.

>>54777260
Look at a rapier hanger sometime You draw up, across your body from hip to shoulder, and its way less than three feet.

>>54777205
Russian SOF might use AR-15s every now and again, but it's way more common for them to use some manner of AK derivative, that's like saying the AR-15 is outdated because a handful of SOF choose to use M14 derivatives or a SCAR-H. SOF guys generally have a lot more choice in what they get to play around with, but anybody else in a former combloc country is 9 times out of 10 going to have an AK derivative as the standard issue rifle.

>>54776652
For america the m2 browning for the military, winchester 1912 shotgun maybe or the desert eagle, used to be S&W model 29.

>>54777260
Yes its a dueling weapon, Landsknechts used a long knife/short sword as a side arm for when two blocks would get inside each others spears.

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>>54775784
The English lost the 100 Years War, bonehead. At the Battle of Patay, La Hire and a bunch of naked Frenchmen on horses slaughtered literally the entire veteran corps of Longbowmen.

All of those brave little thieves who had come over to plunder France died screaming and crying for their mothers because the English nobility nope'd out the second they saw the French charging. All of them. Imagine their deaths. Imagine their pleading when, after massacring prisoners and burning down villages for years, they finally came under the power of the husbands and fathers of the people they butchered.

I for one hope they were all tortured to death instead of merely being hanged like the thieves that they were. It's funny enough that Talbot died by getting his leggie-weggies shattered by a cannonball, and then being beaten to death through his armor by a French archer with an axe. I wonder if, in his final moments, the bandit tried to plead for mercy. I hope it hurt, and I hope hell is real so that he can burn in it for eternity.

>>54775784
>tfw in the 12 inch penetration test Yumies performed better than English longbows 10 out of 10

>>54781077
>The English lost the 100 Years War
Lindybeige disagrees

>>54781165
>lose your french holdings
>lose the battle of the french crown
I dunno, man. That doesn't seem like a win to me.

>Katana
>Samurai armor
>Deagle
>1911
>Panzers in general
>Kalishnokovs
>"Dual weilding" in general
>Greatswords
>"Leather" armor
>Beretta

>>54777205
Well not spending most of your money for murder toys does that for you.

>>54781217
B-but they just consolidated their holdings, they didn't need these vulnerable Angevin lands of anything..

>>54781241
>special forces in general

>>54781165
Lindybeige is a fucking moron

t. Englishman

>>54781217
They already had the french crown, henry v just died like a few months before charles vi.

>>54780191
>We have plenty of documented records on non euros fighting against them. Famously, the Japanese had so many men die in duels against the Portuguese, that they banned gainjin from carrying swords. Then the young samurai started buying rapiers, and were killing each other in duels at an alarming rate, requiring the swords to be banned out right.
Do you know the name of these actual records, because it kept being told, but never sourced precisely. Japanese or euros talking about these.

>>54781297
In hindsight no they didn't but they still lost the war.

>>54781217
>That doesn't seem like a win to me.
if you lose france you win

because it means you don't have to deal with french people anymore

>>54781241
You forgot about
>scutum and gladius

>>54781241
>Pike and Musket
>Greek Fire

>>54781383
That's what is called winning a battle and losing the war.

>>54781428
can't argue with that.

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>>54776853
It's a single handed sword that ranges from somewhat balanced cut-n-thrust to heavily thrust-optimised designs, often with a good deal of hand protection. You have some that are very light, some that are very heavy, and a great mass that are pretty substantial but not terribly outstanding there. Back when I checked, the rapiers listed with weights on the Wallace collection's homepage (a bit over a hundred of them after I tossed the later replicas, 19th century chop jobs, and the one with a built in pistol) the weights ranged from 620g to 1870g, with an average of 1220g.

The ancestor of the rapier, the espada ropera (~clothes sword), was a sword for daily carry, out of armour and away from the battlefield, thus the name. However, just as the name evolved into rapier, the sword itself changed, generally loosing the civilian/dress association, becoming instead simply a sword for whatever purpose you saw fit to use it for. In many cases, that meant the battlefield, where it appears to have been wielded by basic footsloggers and heavy cavalry aristocracy alike.

Of course, not every rapier would be at home there. Some specialised duelling ones were extremely long, making them too unwieldy for such. Some were extremely light, making them easy to carry in your everyday life, but rather flimsy for battle. These are extreme examples though, and the fat part of the bell curve should do quite well in most situations. Keep in mind that a sword for daily self defence, which they also often were, is one that will have to make do against whatever your opponent shows up with, wherever he shows up, so hard specialisation isn't the best idea.

>>54781487
They lost because of a fluke where the king died suddenly after massively winning everything. Had he not, England won the hundred years war is just common history. Its not some sage tortoise and the hare shit where the french won the long game in the end or something. England had zero ability to carry out a foreign war with an infant king in that time period.

>>54781730
Why did it go like that though? Didn't the infant king have a regent, or competent military "advisors"?
I doubt Henry the V did all military command by himself

>>54781428
>England's Francophobia has gotten so bad, the entire nation has collectively declined into Trudeau-isms
Are you okay? Do you need mental help?

>>54781730
>England should have won but for a fluke!
France had a mad king for 25 years or so, sometimes history is decided by apparent flukes.
In the end, it's not like Charles VII's campaign was just a lucky streak, they weren't handled the victory on a plate.

Let's just get this out there. Fucking Scythes. Granted its mostly an anime and/or weeb fag thing but it goddam fits

>>54774703
>What other weapons have achieved the meme status the above have?

All of them.

Because you can't have an actual discussion on anything weapon or armor related without people spouting off ahistorical opinions, and even when the opinions are sourced, nobody will accept the sources themselves to be accurate and not propaganda or exaggerations or storytelling or something. No matter what you quote or what argument you make, there's always a counterexample, more often than not ALSO sourced, and there's no way to resolve them without being professional warriors ourselves and going and fighting to the death a few thousand times for a representative sample.

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>>54781907
Going by Hall's "Weapons and Warfare in Renaissance Europe" we have three rough phases to the Hundred Years War.

1: The English go raiding, which the French fail to do much about, but nothing really comes of this.
2: The English get some proper siege artillery, and start taking castles and towns, making for actual progress.
3: The French get a better artillery train, leave the English with next to nothing.

Perhaps not a view shared by all, but that's the book I've read on the subject, so it's the perspective I can add here.

>>54774819
As an Israeli I really don't understand why is this a meme weapon.

It was designed to be an anti car messure and now it's barley used.

Can someone explain to me this meme ?

>>54782094
it probably has something to do with counter strike

>>54782094
It's a big handgun, that's it. And as we all know, bigger = better.

I think it was popularised in some 80s - 90s action flick aswell.

>>54782094
Counterstrike? Movies? Overcompensation?

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>>54782094
It's a really big, modern looking handgun. It became popular in films because it looks cool, like an update version of Dirty Harry's magnum. Some people assumed because it's in so many action flicks, it must be a great gun when in reality it's not that useful compared to less fancy weapons.

>>54781241
>weapons

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>>54776652
>>54776747
>>54777142
>>54781009
>all these posts
>nobody mentions the motherfucking 1911

You don't know shit about American gun culture.

>>54782224
1911 is just good enough and aesthetic great enough that its fetishisation will last another 50 years at least

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>>54782094
It looks very impressive. Huge, big barrel, clean, angular, design And big caliber is very impressive on paper. It's very impressive if you don't actually need to carry and use it, so it sees a lot of use in movies, comics, and games.

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>>54774703
Almost all weapon and armour has some retarded meme that people actually believe.

However:
>assault rifle
Full auto fire has very narrow application
>plate armour
People unironically believe that any type of plate can be pierced with arrows and cut by swords
>daggers
Are associated with assasination because they're concealable, not because of the backstab bonus
>Sawed off shotgun
See above
>Sniper rifle
Is not magical. Sniping is about careful concealment and positioning. You'll spend all your investment on a single shot like a virgin with a whore and last all of five seconds.
>leather armour
Bondage gear isn't armour.
>cavalry
Aren't infantry-eating PacMan. They're skirmishers that sometimes get to ride down disorganized infantry
>all kinds of bows and crossbows
Armies all over the world adopted gun powder weapons as fast as they could. A musket could pierce a breastplace and kill a man in one shot while arrows and bolts bounce off and turns his limbs into pincushions.
>Pistols
Are thought to be just as deadly as rifles. If you get shot you die the same. No they fucking aren't and no you fucking don't. A pistol has 4x less muzzle energy than a rifle.

That's just the worst offenders I can think of.

Oh, lest I forget
>close range weapons
It's not they don't have a niche. They ARE A NICHE. You don't go out there with pistols and daggers and hope your enemy is honorabu enough to come and fight you on your terms.
>Swords
See above. You always want more range. You skimp out on range because as much as you would like to, you can't carry pic related.

>>54783015
>No they fucking aren't and no you fucking don't. A pistol has 4x less muzzle energy than a rifle.
Maybe I can elaborate on that: both are roughly equally deadly if you shoot an unarmored person in the face or heart, but armor or other bodyparts and it starts to make a real difference. There's also the myth that you'll be fine if you're shot in the arms or legs. Depending on the type of gun and the caliber of ammunition, you'll bleed out incredibly quickly. A high caliber shot to the thigh is a death sentence for example.

>Aren't infantry-eating PacMan. They're skirmishers that sometimes get to ride down disorganized infantry
Isn't that highly dependent on what time period we're talking about, with high-medieval cavalry actually trumping infantry in most circumstances until infantry ended up better trained and equiped in the late middle ages?

>>54783015
This guy is like the opposite end le autism man, likely some eighteen year old who finally started reading about the military after fetishizing it for a while.

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>>54774703
Spears. According to this website all other weapons might as well be fictional because the spear makes up 110% of the weapons used in battle and is more deadlier than all other pseudo fictional weapons, including firearms.

>>54774703
>Unscrewing the pommel

>>54781410
I just got to see the old Edo records on display about this last month on vacation. I should have taken pics.

>>54780191
>Dat pic
I learned something today!

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>>54782224
>1911 huh?

>>54774703
I kind of wish all the wank was towards stuff that was actually good.

Who else wants to circle jerk over gambeson and crossbows?

>>54789006
I do! I do!
Gambesons are cool!

>>54782094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBRaT18eQ9M
This should explain everything you need to know.

>>54780059

An assassin's dagger is just a regular dagger that was used to murder someone, in addition to eating

>>54783015
>Aren't infantry-eating PacMan. They're skirmishers that sometimes get to ride down disorganized infantry

What about heavy cav though, the infantrybreakers

Like yeah once pike and shot develop heavy cav ceases to be important, to the point that during the Napoleonic wars the only time heavy cav ever broke an infantry square was complete accident, but still

>>54777260
>pike formation
>something in your face
Also everyone carried a knife and sometimes a misericordia too.

>>54782224
I wouldn't call the colt 1911 a meme gun, its just a cheap "can't get simpler than that" pistol.

>>54790861
It is though. Compared to modern handguns it's too big, it has poorer ammo capacity, its ammo is more expensive than 9mm while being no more effective, and it's not all that cheap itself. There really isn't anything the 1911 excels at anymore, because it's over a century old.

Now, don't get me wrong: I like the 1911. I own one and enjoy shooting it. But that's all it's good for: hitting targets with. It has a delightful history and is a great piece of americana. As far as guns go it's American as they get: invented just in time to be used throughout America's meteoric rise to superpower-dom.

The gun does have a retarded meme following, though. Fudds who think that .45 is superior to 9mm or other similar pistol cartridges, or that a 1911 is superior for self-defense carrying to something like a Glock or Sig handgun are incredibly pervasive. People who fawn over the 1911 are, in my mind, no different than people who do the same over Japanese katanas or English longbows. The weapon's mythical status has more to do with its national and historical identity than its actual practicality or effectiveness.

>>54777260
1.) They were popular and therefore also relatively easy to get your hands on
2.) Their length is relatively long compared to something like an arming sword, but unless you're so tight to an enemy that you could punch them, it's still not so bad
3.) Laying the blade on somebody and drawing cuts.

>>54790997
I don't really know about the current state of the m1911, i just meant that it was used by half the world during a few decades for being cheap and simple, so simple that the brazilians were producing copies of it 4 months after joining the war.

>>54790997
Well, there's an argument for stopping power vs. usability between a .45 and a 9mm. It just depends upon which you'd rather have more of.

Granted, I'll take a Glock over a 1911 just for logistics these days - aftermarket parts, ammo expenses etc. make a difference

>>54791352
>stopping power

Meme. The FBI did extensive ballistic gel testing between .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and 9mm Parabellum. All three pistol rounds had nearly identical wounding profiles in the gel, and delivered nearly identical amounts of energy when hitting the target. That's why almost all police agencies use 9mm: it does the same job as .45 Auto, except you can fit more of it to a magazine courtesy of its smaller profile

>usability

Not sure what you're trying to say here. If that's a comment on recoil, .45 Auto does have noticeably more recoil than 9mm Para, but it's not going to make any difference to any shooter that's even remotely experienced or trained.

I like the 1911 but it, and the cartridge it fires, are simply outdated.

>>54790861
The 1911 is absolutely the America katana. Every gun forum on the net has said it at one point. It's less reliable and has half the ammo of a modern gun, e.g. a striker-fired double-stack polymer frame 9mm. A good one (hand-fitted to be more reliable, polished feed ramps to use modern JHPs, etc) also costs more - as much as 2-3x a XD, Glock, etc.

>>54791593
This anon gets it

>>54791352
>there's an argument for stopping power vs. usability between a .45 and a 9mm.

There isn't. Everything bigger than a .380 has enough penetration to kill reliably. Pistols have a narrow permanent wound cavity - crushing a straight line of tissue - so it doesn't matter if your bullet is slightly larger or smaller. In /tg/ terms, it's fluff. The only increase in performance is with JHPs, which is still so small (being a pistol round) it doesn't change the underlying dynamic.

If you want a noticeable damage increase, it takes a rifle or shotgun.

What stats do quantifiably matter? In a two-way fight, the most significant factor in living is the capacity of a magazine. The man with more bullets usually wins.

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>>54774703

>>54790861
>1911
>cheap
lolwut

>>54793758

Those codpieces though

>>54774703
If I start listing all the meme firearms I won't finish till tomorrow, so just consider it all of them.

>>54777097
That's a sidesword you ignoramus.

>>54782094
I blame it for being the top end pistol in videogames. I know in COD: Modern Warfare 1 it had a dominating presence as gun that you hated to be used against you.

>>54783591
Don't you mean Muatra?

>>54793758
>italian dueling

>>54774703
>duel-wielding in general

>>54783591
This.

I've seen shit that was akin to katana wank for spears here, posted without any irony.

>>54783591
>>54795604
I mean spears were widely equipped if not entirely used well into the 20th century by basically everyone. There's an infinite number of fruity special snowflake polearms that probly do better in their use-cases though.

>>54774703
Spearfags on this website are trying their hardest to elevate spears to meme status

>>54774703
Axes?

>>54783261
Thanks. Just to be clear, I didn't mean to say that pistols aren't deadly, just less so. Something that's actually not a meme is headshots. People die a lot more when shot in the head (who would have thought).

>>54790241
>>54783261
Maybe. Medieval heavy cavalry I don't know much about, but it seems their success somewhat depended on the low quality of footsoldiers, just like chariots were obsoleted with more professional armies (and better horses). So while that's true, it's actually my point: You don't just ride down a block of disciplined infantry with spears.

>>54783332
Yes, and?

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>>54790997
>>54791499
>but it, and the cartridge it fires, are simply outdated
>I own one and enjoy shooting it. But that's all it's good for: hitting targets with.

There is no bigger retard than the one who makes generalizations and acts like he is the be all end all of firearms knowledge in the western world. The reason people still carry 1911's at all has nothing to do with the .45, it has to do with the fact that a 1911 has a crisp single action trigger pull that puts most guns to shame, multiple redundant safeties that aren't intrusive, and has a slim profile. The low ammo capacity is an acceptable negative to those positives for people who carry it, and is negated somewhat by very frequent practice. And don't start with the argument about shots fired in a fight, you and I both know that civilian shooters take literally a fraction of the shots police do in a shootout.

Folks should carry what they're comfortable with as long as it's over .380 anyway.

>>54782094
It's big, has a unique feeding system (for pistols) that makes it mechanically interesting, and features heavily in movies and video games. Meaning that it can cross over into several different markets of buyers with no problem.

>>54795860
>arent intrusive
>everyone disables the government-mandated palm safety because it was awful
>future designs based off core design eliminated it entirely
Completely wrong about redundant safeties, agreed though lots of target folks love the action. The 1911 was just the 'best in class' of the niche features from the 19th century. Single stack single action.

>>54795342
That's from "HEMA Jesus" PH Mair though...

>>54795891
I like the grip safety. Now, I have heard that some poorly made 1911's have poorly made grip safeties that can fail to engage properly, but a 1911 is not a gun you should bargain bin purchase. Kimber in particular.

And disabling the grip safety is something you can do in 15 minutes so it's not a huge deal.

>>54774703
Revolvers are the American katana.

>>54795974
Eh, revolvers are a super cultural thing. Westerns were a major movie/tv genre for a long while. I don't think they reach katana status until you go and say the Colt Single Action Army (1873) is the best firearm ever designed.

There are cowboy shooters who love to play with those things but then there's the Gunfedoras. Similar things apply to 1911, great target guns generally but then there's that guy...

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>>54796024
The image of the western gunfighter is of a lightning-fast draw that's hyper-accurate and always kills or adequately disables with the first round.

Turn the gun-isms into sword-isms and you have the popular image of the katana.

1911fags who worship it for anything other than the smooth action and slim profile at least have the common courtesy to portray their heroes mag-dumping or using the weapon because it's what the characters were trained with.

In terms of its memetic value, zinc say the western gunfighter with his revolver is way more the American Samurai than any operator with a 1911 could hope to be.

>>54796119
>zinc say
How the fuck did the autocorrect do that.

>>54796119
>>54796129
Yeah the gunslinger is definitely Samurai but then you go to No True Marine would use anything but a 1911 standard issue sidearm FOR FOREVER. Totally fits too.

>>54774703
How is full plate a meme you dull cunt?
Fucking stupid internet culture cunts, you should just kys

>>54796185
Marines are a meme.

>>54796119
It should be noted that one of the most popular westerns is literally just a frame for frame remake of a samurai movie.

>>54796225
Several of them are remakes. Seven Samurai was remade into tons of things as was Yojimbo.

>>54796225
It should be noted that one of the most popular samurai movie director was immensely influenced by John Ford's westerns, so it's all circling.

lol people unironically don't use GURPS

>>54777097
thats a Rapier, or Sidesword fucktard

>>54793758
>your backwards-sword style is no match for my hand grenade style!

>>54781165
Lindybeige considers operation Market Garden a Brittish success

>>54796292
Yep, the iaido-duel as a concept was taken from westerns.

Nukes.

>>54782094
It's the only weapon capable of killing those sneaky fucking Cossack sluts.

>>54780191
>It fares amazingly. We have plenty of documented records on non euros fighting against them. Famously, the Japanese had so many men die in duels against the Portuguese, that they banned gainjin from carrying swords. Then the young samurai started buying rapiers, and were killing each other in duels at an alarming rate, requiring the swords to be banned out right.

Never heard of that before. In naval engagements, they mostly commented on all the guns and armour the japanese-allied chinese pirates carried and said that their own pikes carried the day during boarding actions.

Also that's not a whole manual, that's one play vs the common right-to-left hack within a manual on rapier fighting. I think the rest of the manual is rapier vs rapier, but I'd have to look it up.

>>54781428
>because it means you don't have to deal with french people anymore

They only got rid of the French people when the Dutch conquered them.

>>54796567
>conquered

I would consider the Glorious Revolution more of a massive bamboozling than a conquest.

>>54781907
>France had a mad king for 25 years or so, sometimes history is decided by apparent flukes.

And an ongoing civil war. Heck, the whole conflict with England was basically part of that civil war as well. But then again, the English would be kinda mad if everybody called it "The Long Disturbance" rather than "The Hundred Year's War".

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>>54790861
The 9/11 isn't much of a meme gun, but the .45 absolutely is a meme magic bullet.

They literally sold it by claiming that it's a super-effective anti-negro self-defence caliber.

>>54796634
>anti-negro
How are anti-negro qualities of a gun measured?

>>54782094
Because your media arm marketed the fuck out of it to stupid goyim kids playing games and watching hollywood movies.

>>54796646
Not sure about that but there was a gun that fired square anti-muslim bullets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

>>54796634
>>54796646
I think the anti-negro claim might be referencing the fact that you can shoot the gun into a horde of negros and kill quite a few of them, Black Hawk Down style.

>>54796646
Buy a bunch of negroes and shoot them in various places to determine the amound of spots on the body you can hit to ensure death I would guess, if you can hit any spot on the negro it's 100, if any spot on the torso and head it'll be 40 or so (I don't know how much of the surface area those spots take up exactly), which will probably be a cannon round, hitting the heart, head or lungs will be 10 maybe etc.

>>54796646
>How are anti-negro qualities of a gun measured?

Their argument was that it was totally taking down Flips running Amok left and right when the non-meme-caliber service revolver got people killed.

>>54796634
The reputation of the .45 comes from war stories. Soldiers did the marketing for them. Consistent stories of a single round putting down a screaming jap in WW2 or a charging VC did enough to ingrain it in the shooters conscience as a round that put someone down. Personally, I find this is almost entirely due to good shot placement and the fact a standard 230-grain .45 FMJ round has a 100% penetration success rate at the FBI's suggested 18", and an average of 24". So if they hit someone somewhere important, it was going to work.

>>54796914
its also rather mellow recoil because of its fuckhueg diameter and lower velocity. very pleasant to shoot even semi-accurately.

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>>54781077
>English
>thieves
The French stole our entire fucking country.

I like to think the thegns and huscarls who fell at the Battle of Hastings got a good laugh out of Crecy and Agincourt from beyond the grave.

>>54796199
Shit taste friend

>>54797597
>The French stole our entire fucking country
>country

Nah man

The concept of country didn't even exist back then. Remember how Normandy, Aquitaine, and Gascon were important parts of England back then?

No?

Didn't think so.

>>54796190
>fullplatefags getting this mad over the truth

I bet you bought into AD&D 2e's meme depiction of full plate as a second skin that didn't slow you down and was invulnerable to everything while in reality that was only true for top tier armor

>>54777093
HEMA fag here, can confirm. However I find the rapier fares better against greatswords than my longsword. Really it comes down to me weilding a particularly long rapier (45" blade).

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>>54800121
>Really it comes down to me weilding a particularly long rapier (45" blade).

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>>54800423
Thanks anon

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>>54800495
There's this one as well if you hadn't seen it yet.
Silver-bashing isn't fair but it's fun.

>>54800954
lol the tea cup, whats a silver-bashing?

>tfw all this rapier talk is making me want to pick up fencing
I know it's not the same, but it's always intrigued me anyway. Wish I'd actually done it in my teens; I'm 23 now and it'd feel super weird to do beginner's classes. Maybe I'm being autistic.

>>54795571
Very cool, very impractical.

>>54800954
Do you have any with Johannes?

>>54801010
Mocking Georges Silver (guy who is depicted on the left in the first pic - in disgust - and on the right on the second pic - holding the cup), a late 16th century english fencing master who wrote one of the first english martial arts treatises (Paradoxes of Defense) and who had a very strong dislike of rapiers, long blades (even though his favorite "short sword" was freaking long), and Italians.

>>54796389
is that the one where you shoot a rocket at your feet and hit them with a shovel?

>>54801035
Gather up and do it, it's never too late even though it'll probably be harder at the beginning, you're young I'll tell you. Look up for HEMA classes as well maybe (rapier fencing is quite demanding though) ?

>>54801220
No only those two for now, it's from a guy based in NZ iirc...

Also, we have no idea of how Lichty looked like so... random bearded guy, still a bit random.

Tiger tank. Those things would break down constantly, only allowed for about a dozen gear changes in its lifetime (this was official policy), guzzled gas, could barely fit on railroad cars (in order to avoid previously mentioned problems), couldn't cross most bridges, and it cost an absurd amount to make. Its gun was good (but of questionable usefulness in any remotely urban battlefield) and it's armor was decent (but not any better than an uparmored Sherman or T-34 which could be had at a fraction of the price and with greater reliability)

>>54797597
Why are bowmen ten feet away from the nights and greet before shooting? And aren't seen, for that matter? And how are those arrows sticking into and drawing blood through plate?

>>54794544
>>54796316
>thin-bladed cup hilt sidesword
Guess who are the ignoramuses, fucktards?

>>54798452
I don't even play D&D faggot
Armor is always underrated massively by the majority of media throughout history

>>54801035
>Wish I'd actually done it in my teens; I'm 23 now and it'd feel super weird to do beginner's classes. Maybe I'm being autistic.
You're being autistic. No HEMA club I ever heard of lets in people below age 18. Now's your time and the world's your oyster. Rapier is also the best and most fun HEMA weapon. Go, now!