Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1663: War Of The First Exalt Edition

>>54771857
What's that about sharks?

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Last thread has made me wonder, what would a Mordred Lily look like?

Or even a Mordred Alter.

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Update for those of you who cares. Ronin Warriors Jump continues to come together, I'll have a WIP for you guys maybe at the end of this week or beginning of next week.

>>54774358
Well as we can see from Jeanne Alter Santa Lily, even Servants who weren't real can have fictional Lily forms. So, just imagine her as Mordred, but not so bitter and not so psychoticly trying to force herself to be a boy despite really not wanting to be one. And either idolizing her dad or hating her like mom says at your choice, since it'd be before they met.

Mordred Alter would probably just act like a Berserker of pent up rage.

>>54774382
So are thees guys' powers based on elements? Which is the best?

>54766665
Does Slayer of Dragons give a tangible friendship power bonus, or does it just manipulate destiny so that things work out?

>>54774300
>Discord
https://discord.gg/454MMUS

>>54774382
armor import yes or no?

Question, if I take Electrokinesis in Infamous will I need to worry about the same weaknesses and constant breaking things as Cole or would that not be an issue unless I take the Control drawback.

If the former what is the point of the Control drawback?

Fuck.
>>54774404 meant in response to >>54766665

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>>54774358
Amuro, I'm doing something extremely wicked

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>>54774358
Mordred Lilly probably got accepted by Arthur and is a cute young girl that wants to protect her fathers kingdom or is still in the idolizing Arthur stage of her life and wants to be the most awesome knight so dad will have to accept her as an heir.

Mordred Alter probably wears a maid outfit for some reason.

>>54774358
Going by Val's definition of Lily (where everything turned out for the better in their story), Mordred Lily comes from a timeline where Arthur and her actually had a close relationship, whether as parent and child or at least as king and knight. As such, she'd probably take after Athuria in appearance, having a similar outfit but in red.

Mordred Alter would probably come from a timeline where she embraced Morgana's plan from the start, so she'd look something like Saber Alter, or alternatively she'd take after her mom and wears a witch outfit. Or maybe something in-between?

>>54766665
Hey NikaMoth, there's a line in the Rebuilding A Country scenario that reads exceptionall=-]\0]\ which i assume means something went wrong during conversion.

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What's your dream jump?

>>54774456
But Lily are explicitly younger, it's what we see in all of them.

So, are there any perks like the one in A:EMH that give you the ability to make alloys out of metals and still retain any special effects they might have?

>>54774401
How'd you guess? Also none of the basic ones and their fusion form is best element.

>>54774426
This is to be expected yes.

>>54774460
>pic

That's not a real article, right?

>>54774479
Servant ages are bizarre anyway so it doesn't really matter.

>>54774431
Taking the control drawback would be more like your power would occasionally fire off, like actual electric blasts shooting out of you.

But to answer your first question, it might be a problem at first but you could probably train it up over time to achieve fine control.

Is it possible to import a weapon into an NP in Fate?

Earth Defense Force 2025/4.1 Jump
Red Menace (+200
Ravagers Hate You (+300
The EDF Deploys! Free
No Such Thing As a Sudden Stop -100
EDF Training Free for Air Raider
Friends in the Sky -300 discount for air raider
Import:Saitama-100
Squad Import: Monique,mother box Leonardo da Vinci-200


Standard Infantry Kit Free Air Raider.
E651 Titan -200 discount for air raider
Spritefall/Satellite Blaster-200 discount for air raider
Rule of God-300 discount for air raider
Saitama
Air Raider Free
Combat Training Free
The EDF Deploys! Free
EDF Training Free for Air Raider
Friends in the Sky -300 discount for air raider
Walking Fortress Balam F-Custom -300
Monique
drop in
No Such Thing As a Sudden Stop -100
Mostly Ignored-150
Enough Of This-300
Cheesecake-50

mother box
wing diver
to the skies -100
Psionic Enhancement -150
Wing Diver Suite Free
Idunn Custom -200
Drone Subverter-150
Leonardo da Vinci
Air Raider Free
Combat Training Free
Standard Infantry Kit Free Air Raider.
Standard Infantry Kit Free Air Raider.
No Such Thing As a Sudden Stop -100
Never Empty -/100
E651 Titan -200 discount for air raider
Spritefall/Satellite Blaster-200 discount for air raider

the plan:Reiraku Byakuya+the power of holding hands+ iron steeds+ my driver belt with 40m ultimate form+ power combinations +Higgs Generator = they aren't invincible against me

Rolling to capture Erginus in my master ball Roll(1d100)+0:49,+0 Total:49
now let's find out if RJ's Omega level Technopathy will work on the Ravagers
Roll(1d100)+0:10,+0 Total:10 yep He's got him, let's reverse the polarity on those teleporters and send infinite kill bots after them! Roll to loot the Ravager home planet!
Roll(1d100)-60:61,-60 Total:1 yep that's everything, too bad I didn't take the scenario.

>>54774523
Not quite. You gotta be able to recreate it from SP first.

>>54774523
Val's said no to this in the past. You have to be able to create it from SP first.

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>>54774532
>>54774535
Alright thanks you two.

>>54774481
Well I can't really fuse with myself.

>>54774532
>>54774535
This is why we have stuff like that Cauldron from Journey to the West and the item fuser from Aion.

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>>54774571
Don't worry dear anon, I've thought of that.

>>54774580
And Sburbian Alchemization.

Ignoring the Fire Emblem jumps, where can i get some amazing tactics perks?

>>54774594
Yeah, but late game that gets ridiculously expensive. Like, burn through 15 Minecraft worlds expensive.

>>54774614
My favorite is Glorious Leadership from Naruto, which not only makes you an incredible tactician and strategist but also makes it so that people attribute the success of an operation you're involved in to you, at least in part. The most a glory-hound can say is that they couldn't have done it without you.

>>54774614
Any of the Paradox Jumps, Ender's Game, Ring of Red, Overlord, Aldnoah.Zero, Exalted Dragonblooded

https://pastebin.com/CVq8Nuuh

Blue Quartz faces off against the forces of Apokolips and finally gets out of DC!

>Persona 5 jump

>No animal-with-persona Companion that can transform into a vehicle while in mental landscapes
>nothing related to All-Out Attacks, or negotiating with Shadows & similar monsters outside of tangential mention in The Fool
>nothing to engineer elaborate heists
>nothing for organizing a proper rebel-crew (like the Thieves) or proper conspiracy (like Shido & co.)

Are there any jumps that offer cigarettes or smoke-ables that are either good for you or provide some benefit other than those in Bioshock Infinite?

>>54774752
Exalted: Dragonblood.

>>54774747
Yeah, I was also sort of dissatisfied with the while playing through P5 myself. I was working on a whole bunch of additional Perk and Gear options to add to it for personal use, but I'm very lazy, and will probably never finish such things.

>>54774752
Deus Ex Human Revolution has some.

>>54774747
Jumpmaker's an SBer. It's to be expected.

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Just a head's up, I added a couple of small, non-background items to Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch and made a few edits here and there. Plus, I created a table of contents. So I've posted the new version in the Uploads folder.

If Heavens or Digger is here, can the henshin device fusions in the Kamen Rider jumps be bought multiple times? I ask because it seems only the ones that can directly install slots say they can be bought multiple times.

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Where can I get maid companions?

>>54771857
I look forward to seeing that. Though personally, I'm more fond of eating salmon.

Actually, if it's not too much to ask, could you please include an optional crossover drawback for other works that Deep Sea Prisoner's made? It's only in the SB/QQ Lewd folder, but I included an extra option in my Mogeko Castle gauntlet to account for other games in that shared universe, so it would be nice if you could do something similar with your own jump.

>>54774774
I just.

I enjoy the attempt at flavor and all, but aside from the Conspirator perk-line it just feels like it played it too safe. It didn't really try for anything outside of what the Generic Persona jump offered.

>>54774870
Slice-of-Life, 15-in-one slot.

>>54774870
One of... Val's jumps... I think?

Was it God of Highschool?

I don't remember.

>>54774870
Touhou.

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>>54774870
If you make jumps, you can get as many as you put in.

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>>54774614
Devil Summoner, Shin Megami Tensei

>>54774745
You better damn well use that return button to go back and give Roland a proper tsundere fuck, I swear to fucking God.

What are some good hand-to-hand/martial art perks?

>>54775005
Entirety of the Earth's Mightiest Discipline - Kenichi jump.

Just all of it.

>>54774447
>Mordred saving Saber Lily
Is this a thing? Coz I want this to be a thing?

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[Fire Emblem: Archanea, redux]

Drawbacks: World War Fire Emblem: Loptyr's Revenge, Marked By Eremiah, Helping The Hero King, Echoes of the Past, Present and Future (2000)

Scenarios: Sage Hubba's Pursuit of Shanty Pete, Bringing Back Glory To The Dragons, War of the First Exalt

Rolled Archanea

Manakete: Divine Dragon, age 4000 (1700)

The Exception (Free)
Magical Gift of Dragons (Free)
Wrapped in Myth (1600)
I Am Me (1500)
Dragonsleep (1300)
Flames of Hatred (1100)
Ruler of Dragons (800)
Realm of Dragons (500)
Unsuspicious Cloak (Free)
Pure Water (400)
A Sleepy Nagi (100)
Canon Companion: Tiki (0)

I have so many questions now.

I just found out the Lightsphere and Starsphere can negate terrain disadvantages/magical degradation. Would mixing those into the dragonstone formula be a good idea?

So Sharle is jealous of me for...dropping Dragonscape on an army? Is he going to try to create more Dragonscapes? Maybe invest in some sort of magical airborne platform to do multiple, simultaneous and devastating deep strikes? Will the Codex Draconis call this maneuver Drake Rain in the years to come?

Also what happens if Nagi steps in Naga's fire?

...will anybody object if I delay the ritual a little by building a little conveyer belt to keep dipping and withdrawing weapons? Or should I just wear a really, really big trenchcoat and stow loads of weapons in it while waddling into the fire?

>Are you done yet?
>Just a few more
>What about now?!
>Almost there
>GRIMA IS AT THE CITY GATES
>This isn't even my final bag of loot!

>>54774870
Overlord.

>>54775019
Mordred and Saber Lily being besties is a thing in the drama CDs

https://youtu.be/rmmlSepkodU

>>54775040
They the holding hands & cuddling type of besties?

>>54774614
While perks are nice, I will point out that non-fiat backed skill, experience and powers are still a viable way to be amazing at almost anything, including strategy and tactics.
As others have mentioned that Exalted Dragonblood has a perk, I will point out that Exalted counts "War" as a skill, and that all Exalts can have Excellencies that boost its effectiveness well into superhuman levels (which puts them on par with the top tier powerhouses in-setting.)

A Solar-tier Exalt using only the First War Excellency (or in-theme Excellency for GSPs) can be twice as capable as the greatest mortal strategist or general. Dragonblooded come next among Exalts, followed closely by Lunars.

Interestingly, Alchemicals are above Solars for dice pool sizes due to their potential augmentations.

In terms of pure skill, outside of martial arts, a Sidereal comes in last. That said, Sidereals can directly affect the difficulty of a task by influencing Fate (Fateful (Ability) Excellency.) So while they might display less pure skill, they leverage it much more effectively.

>>54775040
Mordred wants to protect that smile because Saber Lilly supports and encourages her dream of being a great king.

Saber Lilly is also her father, uncle, mother, and aunt though so no they aren't yuri.

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>>54774393
>even Servants who weren't real can have fictional Lily forms

Is Chaldea at the point where there is a non-zero chance you can summon Pepe Lily and CIA Alter?

>>54774460
Right now? Just started playing Pyre, and it's pretty fun. Supergiant does it again!

>>54775005
Ranma, Majikoi, Hokuto no Ken, GUNNM and Street Figher have oodles.

>>54775063
Huh. Would you say augmentations are even better than an Infernal's Devil-Tyrant Avatar shintai package?

>>54775135
Well a pile of udon dough is a servant now, so yes, shove a grail into a pile of green playdoh and you'll have your very own Pepe.

What class will he be?

>>54774969

... If it wasn't so out of character, my personal preference would be yandere for Lobo

>>54774941
Whatever happened to the Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid jump? I remember there being a paste of a WIP and then nothing.

>>54775063
>non-fiat backed skill, experience and powers are still a viable way to be amazing at almost anything, including strategy and tactics.
Maybe if you have perks to allow you to reach those levels. Otherwise, not so much.

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>>54775135
>Is Chaldea at the point where there is a non-zero chance you can summon Pepe Lily and CIA Alter?
FGO had a whole event about how things don't need to be real to be recorded and thus summoned. Besides why would you summon CIA Alter when you could summon the hot spy in pic J Edgar Hoover.

They're also crossing over with the Gudako manga now and have a saint graph formed from udon dough and a grail so yeah Pepe and CIA-chan ain't to out there.

>>54775183
>J. Edgar Hoover
>that

What. What is this. Is this the work of a communist Stand?

>>54775183
To be fair, the manga is confirmed to be an alternate universe, so those retarded monsters are far away from you. Until they start bleeding over and turn everyone retarded, anyway.

>>54775005

Grandmaster of Combat from Young Justice and DC. If not then the Taskmaster perk from Ultimate Spiderman.

>>54775194
Crossdressing as a man crossdressing as a woman to stop the fucking reds.

Are you dedicated to America like that anon or a are you a fucking pinko?

>>54775135
>Huh. Would you say augmentations are even better than an Infernal's Devil-Tyrant Avatar shintai package?

Debatable, and mostly only when considering that an Alchemical can change out augmentations at a Vat to reconfigure their available Charms, while By Rage Recast only changes its library of mutations when you gain Essence.

>>54775178
>Maybe if you have perks to allow you to reach those levels. Otherwise, not so much.

My post, quite literally, pointed out an example of a non-perk way of doing so.

Any perks to make it so a vampire does not need to eat/drink ? So far all I have found are ones that make you need to consume less.

>>54775278
Self Sustaining perks can be found in some of the capeshit jumps.
Use Metavore to be able to eat anything.

>>54774879
Better to play it safe than experiment and guarantee getting shit on.

>>54775204
The manga DID cross over tho

This Event

>>54775183
Dont forget the Chaldean system, as described by Andersen, was that "as long as it helps save humanity" was the requirement for making any saint graphs

So that's why we have stuff like Alter Egos, Alter Ego Kiara, BB, Bunyan who isnt actually Bunyan

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>>54775157
...don't tempt me to do this in the actual GO jump. I gotta save some dough for Moot and Wojak too

Also, Avenger. The Avenger that even other Avengers look down on

>Has the skill Scream of "Awe"
>Rank A-- Anti-Unit (Self) Phantasm: Normie Banisher: Imposes rank downs and spatial dislocation that can only be resisted by the accumulation of Mystery. Severe disadvantage against most Servants, and loses additional potency against male Servants famous for their sexual conquests or female Servants famous for their beauty

>>54775183
...they best not be messing with Roosevelt. Either one.

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>>54775217
So was Hoover a wizard in the Nasuverse and used magic to change their appearance? Because pic related is what J. Edgar Hoover looked like, that's not a woman disguised as a man.

>>54775273
But do you really consider an Exaltation "not a perk"? I mean, you might, but they still tend to be "fiat-backed". Considering, you know, you can still respire Essence and use Charms in worlds without nano-gods.

>>54775354
They turned Paul Bunyan, whose entire thing is basically being a giant manly man lumberjack, into a naked overalls chainsaw loli. We're absolutely doomed.

>>54775354
I don't know why, but now I got the idea of a Fate Harry S. Truman that works like Exodia.
Assemble all 5 pieces connected to him, and you can summon him with his ultimate ability "The A-bomb." The restriction being that he can only use A-bomb twice.

Are the sorcery perks in the Exalted jumps really worth it? Is Exalted sorcery good?

>>54775350
>The manga DID cross over tho

>This Event
I referenced it in my post. What do you think 'they start bleeding over' means?

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>>54775381
Hoovers from a parody manga like Paul Bunyan. Don't take it to seriously.

>>54775183
She looks like the kind of lady who'd be seducing people one second and then shooting them the next. I approve.

>>54775384
I say we fight back, make weird fanservice versions of Japanese cultural icons. Ones from relatively recent history, because they're already fine with Sengoku-era figures like Nobunaga being made into sexy ladies. Let's make sexy lady Tetsuro Watsuji, see how they like that.

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>>54775384
>Quick search.
...they could have at least kept his hair color the same.

>>54775416
Exalted sorcery is very good for big rituals and very bad for everyday use. You bust out sorcery for big world-shaping projects, not personal scale use. If you want to curse an entire kingdom to be cast outside of time and forever drift through the eons, it's great. If you want to blast the monster bearing down on you, stick to charms because you'll never get your Shape Sorcery actions off in time to matter.

>>54775433
They'd probably support it.

>>54775433
Pretty sure I've seen loli Tojo around.

>>54775383
The Exaltation is fiat backed, yes. But the Charms you acquire are magic learned in-setting, likewise with any skills you learn in-setting (such as War.)

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>>54775433
...there's a big problem with that, anon.

They did it to themselves first. Cute girl Nobunaga's there too.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Japanese_Heroic_Spirits

>>54775409
>>54775384
Oh god, with all the rules going out the window.

Star Wars (as in the missile defense system EMPOWERED BY THE CONCEPT OF THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE like the retarded lovechild of Hanging Gardens of Babylon and Ars Almadel Salmonis) as a Noble Phantasm.

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>OP

Oh...oh jeez. I feel all happy inside. Thank you.

>>54774459
Oh jeez. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll fix it.

>>54775027

>I just found out the Lightsphere and Starsphere can negate terrain disadvantages/magical degradation. Would mixing those into the dragonstone formula be a good idea?

Grinding them up or making spells from them and casting them during creation? I'd suggest making some kind of replace for them if you're putting the orbs directly in the mix because the Fire Emblem needs all the orbs in place for the ritual to be done with Sharle.

>So Sharle is jealous of me for...dropping Dragonscape on an army? Is he going to try to create more Dragonscapes?

Sharle isn't a magic-focused guy and he'd probably be highly intimidated by you pre-character development, not really jealous. Pre-character development Sharle has a defeatist attitude about a lot of things. He's a good guy, despite that. I don't really see him being jealous of you, to be honest. But you do you.

>Also what happens if Nagi steps in Naga's fire?

She is deemed worthy and lives, and has a connection to her dead past self now.

>...will anybody object if I delay the ritual a little by building a little conveyer belt to keep dipping and withdrawing weapons? Or should I just wear a really, really big trenchcoat and stow loads of weapons in it while waddling into the fire?

I. I. Sure. Okay.

>>54775538
He mentioned that broham.

He's talking modern day figures.

>>54775183
>Expected Erin Esurance/10

>>54775416
>Is Exalted sorcery good?
The jumps are based on the 2nd edition where sorcery wasn't that good. 3e sorcery on the other hand is amazing but as I said the jumps are based on 2e so unless you want to head canon it that you're using 3e sorcery I say that the CP spent on the sorcery perks is usually better spent elsewhere.

Plus you can always learn sorcery without the perks.

>>54775538
>They did it to themselves first. Cute girl Nobunaga's there too.
Yes, I know. Read what I actually wrote, ASA. I said "they're fine with Sengoku-era figures, let's see if modern ones getting the treatment messes with them". Because as far as I know, Baron Sadao Araki hasn't been made into a cute girl with her tits hanging out that rants about conquering the inferior races and has a magic sword that's the physical manifestation of the Northern Expansion Doctrine.

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>>54775433
Way ahead of you anon

>>54775601
Yes, because Oda Nobunaga and Miyamoto Musashi are from recent history. Fuck, do you Fatefags actually know how to read?

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>>54774300

Did a little more work on Diablo.

For now, I'm sticking with drop-in, fighter, wizard, rogue for backgrounds, with perks that are either general enough to fit any of the...3+7+5 classes of that type, (not counting dlc and test files) with extra perks in each tree to represent the more unusual classes.

So it's a mess, basically.

I never got around to playing d3, so is there anything in that game that sticks out as a good candidate as an item, companion, drawback, etc?

>>54775624
Fate doesn't do any recent history as much more then a joke. I think the closest they've gotten are Tesla and Li Shuwen.

>>54775635
Wait are you trying to fit all of Diablo into a single jump?

>>54775573
>Plus you can always learn sorcery without the perks.
Don't do that. It had a DC magic style cost.

>>54775183
That's not Hoover, broseph. That's a fan-mockup of Yoshiko Kawashima as an Avenger that one of the fgo artists made and posted a day before the aniversary of the Nanking massacre. They were yelled at over Twitter about it, apparently. They later made an apology on Twitter about the whole thing.
Link in case you read moon: https://mobile.twitter.com/matsuryun/status/808703071735812096

>>54775645
So your defense for my complaints of that post having no relevance to the conversation...is to tell me that that post has no relevance to the conversation. That's some great debating skills, there. Seriously, I started off mocking but now I'm genuinely wondering: Can Fate fans actually read?

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>>54775556
>>54775589
Oh right. Speedreading in the rain, my bad.

Actually I was thinking-what about cultural icons? If the Statue of Linerty's a goddess then Godzilla can be a monster-well, PHANTASMAL SPECIES girl! If Hoover's a triple-reverse trap, Segata Sanshiro can be...basically Sakura from Street Fighter, actually! Heck, if we're pushing it this far couldn't Usagi and Kiryu just barely qualify, as "nameless heroes" representing cultural trends?

>American Servants being summoned by nippon masters fighting Japanese Servants summoned by American masters
>Majima's Rank B+ Anti-Economy (Self) Noble Phantasm Hunt of the Mad Dog is a hard counter to FDR A++ Anti-Depression Noble Phantasm Pledge of the New Deal
>war ends in pyrrhic victory after All The World's Financial Crises is accidentally summoned from their clash

>>54775715
>Not the Majima Anywhere System

DUDE

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Would Stalker(or FEAR I mix them up) replica Clones be able to properly utilise the force?

>>54774480
Anyone want to answer this?

>>54775707
Uh no that's Hoover from the Learn With Manga joke thing.
https://twitter.com/KaroshiMyriad/status/892287927316656128/

Anyone have any ideas for the Rogue Trader jump? Currently I'm thinking of just using the classes as the origins/backgrounds.

I have no idea how to do ship customization other than giving a free Transport or Raider class ship and upgrading it to a bigger hull cost CP.

>>54775712
The cut-off for reaching the Throne is pretty much the early 1900's! No modern Servants!
For some reason many fans of Nasu have an almost vitriolic aversion to any perceived slights against their fandom, which tends to reduce all ability to comprehend to nil. You see similar lack of ability to read with crossovers which make use of the other setting's metaphysics, when Nasu fans begin picking it apart for failure to hold Nasu-metaphysics above all others.

>>54775777
So Exalted fandom has am equally shitty sibling.

>>54775801
Exalted fans are all secretly Sidereals. Arguments we don't like result in using Duck Fate.

>>54775771
>No idea how to do ship customization

Basically, look up the different ship loadouts and what weapons and other attachments / accoutrements are available to them (if you're looking for a jump example, Light of Terra has this in Part 3 - Processional of the Damned). I'm pretty sure there's different ship retrofits and options in Rogue Trader, but I could be mistaken.

As well, what are the classes? Those would be a good option to build perk-lines from depending on how in-depth they go, but a good idea as well is to look at examples of who would be Rogue Traders - their backstories and experiences - and building Origins around them.

... did I make even a lick of sense.

>>54775552
Not gonna lie, Nika, War of the First Exalt is one of my favorite scenarios now. It feels like I'm taking part in a new epic story myself, plus it'll be a ton of fun to talk with Chrom, Lucina, and Robin about it in Awakening. I also really want to use the various mentoring perks we have in the chain to make Sharle into this legendary hero, even more so then he already would be. And the jump itself is awesome. So thanks for making it, Nika.

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>>54775433
Here you go.

Okay, look, I tried to approach LoT optimistically and as something fun but...

It...
just isn't very good?

It explicitly shirks the normal conceits, from what I understand is hilariously lethal, except maybe a Necron seer has actually guaranteed your arrive to watch his ascension(???????????), dictates large parts of your personality, the vast majority of the text is directly ripped from assorted Warhammer wikia articles, the pricing of ship upgrades is at odds with itself from part to part, pricing is inconsistent in general, the formatting is just short of being antagonistic, and just generally is a slog to get through and understand filled as it is with a strange mix of in-setting propaganda and clumsy descriptions.

The thread seems to enjoy LoT. I'm missing something here. Fill me in?

>>54776116
Fun and flavor are more important than 'normal conceits'. You think like a bureaucrat.

>>54775552
Hey Nikamoth, how does Slayer of Dragons work? Is it a power up, or is it a fate manipulation perk?

>>54776111
Yeah no Babylon was a dick.

The trick is, you gotta take the parts of it you like to build your own narrative using the branches of it supplied. It's got PLENTY of good shit in-and-of-itself, and was one of our first attempts at breaking out of the traditional JumpChain Formula, but it was made by a guy who had particular beliefs on how Jumpers were supposed to grow.

Look at Babylon Five for a good example.

>>54775662
Wasn't Diablo already claimed by three different people

>>54776158
SJ-Chan has the claim on SB-side, there's this anon working on it, and we have a "Hellfire" (read, D1 with this incredibly autistic _GAME MECHANICS ONLY_ approach) jump somewhere.

>>54776116
As someone who isn't familiar with the source material, I feel like it's more of a long CYOA for fans of the setting than a jump that anyone can use.

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>>54775662

At the moment, yes.

As I understand the timeline, the three games span a time of about 30 years, following a irregular mess of a schedule.

Diablo 1 takes 5 years from diablo's un-sealing to his re-sealing, and events immediately segue into diablo 2, which only takes a year or two to complete.

Then it's a 20 year skip to D3, which only takes a year or so, I'm not sure.

I suppose I could just cover D1+2, and let someone else who knows the games cover d3...but many events are so interconnected that I'd need some option to keep or discard continuity of a d1+2 jump, because any interference would derail the plot of d3 pretty heavily...

Huh. What does everyone else think? Should I just make a jump that covers 1 and 2? Make 3 a separate jump?

Well boys, I'm going cold turkey, swearing off Jumpchain. Wish me luck.

>>54776116
It offers nice things, and most people completely ignore the writing in favor of their own narrative. It's just the preferred method overall for the reasons you stated, assuming the Jumper's personality and having an antagonistic bent. The antagonism is 100% on purpose in the broken deadlight route too.

Seriously though, if you ignore the forced narrative and replace it with your own, it's basically a bunch of scenarios with interesting rewards that can be fun to think on. Some people also like the difficulty since it takes your powers for the duration.

>>54776173
I think 3 should be a separate one, yeah. Big timeline leap imo, would like a +0 CP drawback for continuity tho.

>>54776191
Good luck. See you tomorrow, anon

>>54776173
Alternate universes.

>>54776191
Good luck anon, hope you can find other things that interest you and ways to busy yourself.

>>54776116
>The thread seems to enjoy LoT.
No you see we enjoy the ship, it was one of the first big ass space ships and thus serves as the base for most jumpers' flagships.
The structure is weird and it is full of dickish decisions but there is a lot of good material too which is makes it more frustrating than if it was just shit.

>>54776173
I think that'd make your workload easier in the long run, yes. D1+2 alone has plenty of content to work with, and there's quite a few retcons and inconsistencies between 2 and 3 that you'd be better off ignoring.

Having a Continuity link between 2 and 3 could work plenty, otherwise we just assume different timelines / universes.

>>54776191
See you tomorrow, anon.

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>>54775771

Considering the sheer number of customization options for ships, I'd suggest a second pool of points like some jumps offer just for hulls and components. Keep the cp for stuff that works on a personal level.

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>>54776140
It's both, along with a heavy dose of The Power Of Friendship.

>>54774460
AVP. All I want is an army of xenomorphs that I can hybridize with Tyranids, Kaijus, and every other crazy monster available we have jumps for.

>>54774480
>>54775747
Artificial Alloys from Anno 2070 lets you replicate unique materials and elements.

>>54775738
Are you asking if you can give clones Force Powers using the conduit reward? If so, the answer is yes.

>>54776243
I mean, the claim's been given up. Why not make it yourself?

>>54775847
>Basically, look up the different ship loadouts and what weapons and other attachments / accoutrements are available to them (if you're looking for a jump example, Light of Terra has this in Part 3 - Processional of the Damned). I'm pretty sure there's different ship retrofits and options in Rogue Trader, but I could be mistaken.
The Light of Terra is a Gloriana-class Battleship that no Rogue Trader would ever have due to them being relics of the Great Crusade and the fact only 20 were produced with each Legion getting one. Most Rogue Traders usually only have a single ship that's usually a transport or raider class or maybe a frigate. Above Frigate class ships you have Light Cruisers, Cruisers, Grand Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and finally Battleships that almost no Rogue Traders have. Successful Rogue Traders might have more than one ship and Rogue Trader Dynasties usually do have multiple ships unless they are in decline

So you've got 8 different ship hull classes each with multiple hull types. And certain components require bigger ship classes. And there are also Archeotech and Xenotech components.

>As well, what are the classes? Those would be a good option to build perk-lines from depending on how in-depth they go, but a good idea as well is to look at examples of who would be Rogue Traders - their backstories and experiences - and building Origins around them.

I suppose there is some sense to have all the origins be Rogue Traders since they own the ship and are in charge. Though there will be an Explorator option which would have you captain a vessel in an Explorator fleet. But then if I have all of the origins be Rogue Traders I don't know what to do about companions.

>>54776116
I don't like it either so you're not alone

>>54776222
Considering how rare it is for most Rogue Traders to own some of the larger hull classes there is some sense to making them cost CP.

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>>54776191
I apologize in advance.

>>54776134
Ah, but it's not fun and it tastes like shit, spite, and ashes. So what value does it have again?

>>54776265
Okay I didn't mean the LoT Gloriana itself, but more the customization specifically. Like the selection of guns, shield, and enhancement options, or the different offices and interior buildings available like the Laboratorium or Pharmacia.

>Companions

Rogue Traders have their retinues and honor guards. They might not get their own specific ship, but they can still get CP and gear of their own. The import and such can just explain their origins as being tied to yours rather than being Traders in-and-of-themselves.

>>54776226
Is it like a 50/50 split, or learning one way or the other? I ask because I make a point of severing myself from fate, so I'm wondering how much functionality I'll be able to squeeze out given my situation.

>>54774460
Pathfinder or Scion would be pretty nifty.

I'd also like if Asura's Wrath was less headcanony and more faithful to the source material. Alas, an official update would never happen, and my jumpmaking skills are insufficient to make a private jump worthwhile.

>>54775771
>a free Transport or Raider class ship and upgrading it to a bigger hull cost CP.
One thing to keep in mind is that every Rogue Trader is given a ship with their Warrant, and it is never that small. They generally given Cruisers or sometimes even bigger ships, if they are given something as small as an escort they were probably a member of the inquisition who was given the Warrant as a form of banishment and the small ship is intended to get them killed.

Even when their entire situation is a punishment meant to kill them they still get a proper warship.

Most will also have a fleet, usually a small one unless they are running a small navy or actually using their Warrant for Trading purposes. Even the biggest will be tiny compared to a real imperial war fleet but still a fleet and in the case of more militant Rogue Traders more than enough to conquer entire star systems, either in the Imperium's name and/or their own (usually both, they like power but don't like losing their warrant).

>>54776116
Most people active in /jc/ today harbor some degree of displeasure with LoT. It has some value as an interesting set of scenarios, rewards, etc. But its flaws, which you have addressed pretty eloquently, will always give it a mixed reputation.

You can handle it pretty much however you like. Nobody in their right mind is bothered by people ignoring LoT's stupid bullshit.

>>54776265
>Considering how rare it is for most Rogue Traders to own some of the larger hull classes there is some sense to making them cost CP.
It is rare for them to have battle cruisers or battleships, they always have some kind of proper warship and all 40K ships are big. The most common for their main ship would be the Lunar Class Cruiser which is 5km long.

>>54776345
Except YJ_Anon, apparently.

>>54776328
It's more focused on the Power of Friendship than fate manipulation, but it's sizable. It's like 60/40 in terms of ratio.

>>54776336
For what it's worth, Asura's Wrath has so little lore anyway that as long as you ignore the notes it's pretty close to what canon there is. Except the Drop-In tree, or the Gohma being a part of the natural world

>>54776345
Most people active nowadays just don't like jumps made that way in general. Dirge and Babylon are the only ones who made jumps in that weird style and neither of them are considered anywhere close to being good jumpmakers.

>>54776370
Thanks.

>>54776357
>>54776340
Where are you getting this thing about Cruisers being common? Admittedly I still need to finish rereading the books but I don't remember anything about that.

>>54774358

Instead of going "REEEEEEEEE I'm a boy and I'm gonna be King" she decided to go "I'm a woman, but first and foremost I'm a knight. Got a problem? Say it to my face and FITE ME BITCH! Also I'm Arturia's daughteru and I got dibs on the throne if she dies."

Speaking of YJ_Anon, would anyone be bothered if I had a Zalgo drawback without Zalgo text? I've been messing with my writer program and haven't been able to get it to work so far. Either that, or if anyone has any ideas for +300 CP Generic Creepypasta drawbacks.

>>54776376
>Dirge

Don't conflate the shitposter's opinion with anyone else's. The other thread a bunch of people liked that Junji Ito jump of his.

>>54776191
Thanks for everything you've done, Val. I agree no doubt you'll find something just as worthwhile, probably moreso.

>>54776251
>the claim's been given up.
Really, when?

>>54776431
H͉̩̬͍̞͘ą̰̠̬̱̣͓v͎e̦ ̛̼̪̰͇̞̘ͅy̷ou̗͞ ̥͕͕̬̳̬̞t͎̪r̙͕̯͚̮̣͘i̹͞ȩ̣͔͉̝͓ḑ̙̳̪̖̺ u͔̜͉ş̱̬͉̠̭̻̞i̹͔̟̖̗̫̬n̙̠̹͔̯̜͇ǵ̮ ̪̪͖͎̠͙̱̕ṱ̹ͅh͕̺e̯͝ ̶̭̟Z̦͔̦͉̬̤͞ḁ̹̖̺͖̩lg̳͎͠o̗̬̫̰̯͝ ̟͙̪̩̯͚ṱ̤̟́e̶x̼̞̮̀t̶͇̩͓̹͎ ͍̯͍̪̟̙g̢̯̝e̪̙n̬̕e͓̙̪͍̠̮̖ṛ̛̰̙̤̯a̠͍̱̯t̥͎̰̥o̷̟̘̖ͅͅͅr͖͉̰͘ͅ?̜̼

>>54776431
>Zalgo
>drawbacks

Doesn't he just want to give his followers falchions and get them laid? If anything he sounds more like a perk than a drawback.

>>54776437
No they didn't.

>>54776441
Man, the fact that I was gone for literally almost over a year shoulda been enough.

Statute of limitations, man. Not my work anymore.

>>54774460
An Epic Warhammer40K jump with all the bells and whistles, all factions represented, a fuckhuge personal army, a fleet of battleships and all that shebang. And LOTS of scenarios with awesome rewards.

>>54776457
Oh, it's you. Here, just gonna rub this in your face for a second. Open wide.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/54745964/#54756426

>It's refreshing to see some people not instantly REEEEing at the sight of Dirge's work

Liar liar pants on fire~

>>54776472
>I was gone for literally almost over a year
And we were so close to getting rid of you. What a waste.

>>54776447
Yeah. I tried fonts too but it screws up when I make it a PDF.

>>54776453
There are multiple interpretations, I'd imagine. The Dark God companion is based off on of them.

I was thinking more along the lines of the "sings the song that ends the world" type of thing, but eh. It might be too close to the current end of the world drawback anyway.

>>54776486
*based off one of them

>>54776472
Now we just need you to give up everything else and we'll have decent jumps for once.

How about a public apology for wasting everyone's time, and handing off the jump again like what you did with Guilty Gear? That'll make everybody happy.

>>54776485
>>54776496
Your parents were right in beating you.

>>54776496
>>54776485
Wow, you switch targets quick when you've been found out huh? And nah, but filming your own suicide would make me chuckle at least.

>>54774460
A Wizard of Oz jump, with one 0cp drawback to use one of the various remakes or reimaginings, and another to start the jump when the Wizard arrives, staying until the time you would have normally left.

>>54776472
People have let claims stand for that long before.
And I didn't want to be an asshole considering how I acted about it before.

>>54776414
Well for starters there is the Rogue Trader Cruiser, an entire classification of ship made up of cruisers given as gifts to Rogue traders for various reasons which they have customized for their individual needs
>Battlefleet Gothic Magazine #19 pg.5

Also the Ambition Class Cruiser, which is pretty much an entire ship class catering to them being basically just a tyrant class cruiser with more luxurious accommodations fitting their noble status.
>Battlefleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 110
>Battlefleet Gothic: Armada (Video Game)

I'll try to find more in a minute

You are drastically underestimating their power though; they are technically considered the equals of Inquisitors, Space Marine Chapter Masters, and Planetary Governors.

>>54776486
Maybe something a bit more personal, if the Zalgo mythos allows it? Regular end of the world is... the end of the world. But Zalgo's coming is ruining things for individuals, and ending it all one by one.

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>when you're not sure if the jump puts you in the universe of a game or just puts you in the game itself

What's the verdict on Hyperdimension Neptunia and Secret of Evermore?

>>54776548
I take it nobody here but me's ever read the Rapture Chronicles but-gonna have to disagree on that one, the regular end of the world is a goddamn nightmare made real if you take that continuity.

Shit get so bad, part of the premise is that the Slender Man is widely seen (at first) as the world's only hope. And he's been mutated into a giant entropy monster. By another more powerful and evil eldritch god who wants to eat reality.

>>54776565
Pick whichever one you like. It's not like there's a wrong answer.

>>54776565
Neptunia is the universe of a game, but Neptunia's world is really meta and designed as a giant reference to the videogame industry.

>>54776243
I meant that since they don't have minds or souls( though they can take orders) would they be able to properly use the force?

Is FUAnon around?

>>54776437
There's a good number of us that don't like Dirge's jumps with good reason. It's just the shitposter has gotten so rabid that you can't call him a bad jumpmaker without being considered shitposting.

>>54776500
>>54776511

So quick to jump on the Timmy bandwagon without giving a moment to think that maybe the community would get better if we got rid of certain people.

>>54776516
I can see it now... Jump in and find out you're not in the main Wizard of Oz setting... No, you've got the misfortune of being in Wicked. Not the musical, no, you're in the novel.

And you just replaced Fiyero.

>>54776630
My issue with Dirge's jumps has nothing to do with the setting material, and is entirely with the jumpchain fluff (survey teams and such.)

What's Highschool DxD magic like?

>>54776671
Same, his perks are all also really vague. They talk about boosts and whatnot but never give a solid sense of what level of boost or ability it is. Add in the tendency for his perks to backtrack and undercut themselves vaguely you're left without a solid idea of what the thing is actually capable of.

A lot of them seem kinda weird and gimmicky too, and I don't think I've ever gotten a good sense of what the setting is like from one of his jumps. He's got work ethic and productivity, but the actual communication skills and design choices are kinda....eh.

The survey team thing is just another example of how oddly he approached things.

>>54776617
I imagine they'd turn out similar to the failed clones from TFU 2; http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aberrant_clone

They could use a few abilities during combat but they wouldn't really have any fine control or the ability to improve.

>>54776706
He himself has made it clear that he's only making jumps for his own use, and maybe one or two friends. We're not the target audience. Just collateral damage.

>>54776671
Except that his jumps are terrible at conveying anything in the setting material. Fluff can be ignored, but when the jumps themselves have no effort put into them, it's the sign of a bad jumpmaker to me. His jumps have no substance or uniqueness to them, everything is just copied and pasted out of a wikipedia article.

>>54776414
Question is this going to be based on the fluff, the game book, or some of each? Because in the case of ships you get much less in the way of ship than in the lore.

In the lore cruisers are common for Rogue Traders as the most common flagship but in the game book they are the biggest ships you can get. If you use the rule book as your only source we'll end up defaulting to what would, by lore, be what destitute dynasties or those given their Warrant as a punishment/death sentence end up with.

>>54776720
But that's why his jumps shouldn't be on the drive to begin with. They aren't jumps, they're badly made CYOAs.

>>54776649
>The Wizard of Oz is not only evil, but has actual magic
>The people of Oz are mostly either corrupt or incompetent or both
>The Wicked Witch of the East is an armless psychopath who turns a random citizen into the Tin Man in order to torture him
>Elphaba, the Wicked Witch of the West, can't even cry without burning herself
>Fiyero is brutally murdered by the Wizard's secret police, driving Elphaba insane
>Dorothy accidentally kills both witches, and is left traumatized
You know what, I agree with Dorothy: when it comes to a choice between Novel Wicked Oz and Kansas, there's no place like home!

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Give me your luck perks. ALL of them.

>>54776743
Don't tell that to me, random anon. For I am also a random anon, and have no power over the drive. If you want his jumps replaced, I recommend you make a replacement and post it in thread.

>>54776759
The Shadow Realm Immunity from Yugioh lets you literally do that. It's mentioned explicitly in the perk.

>>54776671
As weird as it sounds, I actually felt that that kind of thing was very fitting for his original few jumps (Blame and Biomega), because the settings have this very... mysterious aura to them, and the whole descending deeper into the City thing played off of it really well. Sidonia also captured the hostility of what is in essence Attack on Titan IN SPESSS!!! also.

I can't say I'm a huge fan of his later jumps, but those three always stuck out at me at being pretty fun. Also, I'm a total sucker for Nihei's work I will not lie.

Sidonia season 3 wooo!!!

>>54776706
I don't think I've ever seen a single perk of his that had any use whatsoever. It's all just paragraph after paragraph of meaningless text. His English is probably some of the worst that I've seen and it's clear that he doesn't understand writing at all since he takes paragraphs to do what other people use one sentence to do.

I don't think you can even say that he has any work ethic or productivity either. People like Valeria and OAA have work ethic and productivity, they actually put effort into things. Can't say the same about Dirge when he just copy and pastes out of a wikipedia.

>>54776794
>work ethic and productivity
>OAA

Know how I know you're just shitposting now

>>54776744
You forgot that Elphaba is the daughter of the Wizard - he seduced and drugged her mother, or that she had Fiyero's child while she was in a coma from her grief (and nobody bothered to tell her.) Said relationship was an affair, as Fiyero had been married since he was 7 (took up appropriate duties at 20.)

It's a pretty grim place.

>>54776791
I prefer the replacement Blame jump over that mangled thing Dirge calls a jump. Jumps don't need to have atmosphere, they need to tell the jumper what to expect and give them tools to do it with and the replacement actually did that. Sidonia was another overbloated mess that just deters people from even considering it because of how poorly made it is.

>>54776802
Sounds like they both got what was coming to them.

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>That moment when you stick one jump before another in your chain completely by accident and as it turns out they combo really well for narrative purposes.

You ever have that happen to you, JC?

You ever have this happen

Wonder how an echo chamber sounds.

Must be nice, really.

>>54776725
I'm going to be honest here: I don't even bother reading jumps that I don't already know the setting of. As such, the vagueness isn't all that much of an issue since I already know what is being referenced by those vague hints.

I can see how it would be more of an issue if you were relying on the jump doc to tell you what the setting is about, but at the same time I have to question how you'd even write anything about your jump if you don't have that knowledge.

>>54776839
I'm surprised you don't know already, SBer.

>>54776818
>Replacement Blame!

Got a pdf on hand, Anon? I haven't seen it posted recently.

>>54776800
OAA is the one who will keep trucking on making the largest jump ever made regardless of shitposters. Compared to that, we have someone who slaps together wiki articles and ran away to SB after he couldn't accept that he was a bad jumpmaker here. Seems pretty clear who is the one that has work ethic to me.

>>54776414
To use the game books to support this in the game a fresh Rogue Trader (one who has just gotten his warrant or trade) starts out with the same amount of ship points as the cost of a stock Lunar Class Cruiser which support the standard Rogue Trader flagship being a Cruiser. There are gameplay reasons in the book for why there isn't a chance to get bigger ships or why some would have smaller ones but lore wise a dynasty would almost never lose their Cruiser. It is their most prized possession and would remain such until they can get a better one.

>>54776802
I did forget about that, actually. Yikes.

...you know what? I'm tempted to go there just so I can try and fix things. Because someone has to. And it looks like it's going to take a Jumper to do that.

>>54776839
The amount of samefagging is ridiculous. He's really desperate for attention before school starts.

>>54776856
Only because he's too retarded to realize when he should give up.

Something you also have a problem doing.

>>54776855
Several people accepted the replacement last time it was posted, so it should be on the drive already.

>>54776868
Same language, same points being beaten worse than a dead horse...

God it's pathetic.

>>54776879
Yep. So everyone, what do you think is the bets way to raze world? War, Famine, Pestilence, or instant Death?

>>54776887
War.

Preferably via orbital bombardment.

>>54776844
A good jump clearly explains what you get and what it does. Anything vague just turns a good jump into a bad one and when you see paragraph after paragraph, that's a sign that it's a terrible jump. No jump ever needs that.

>>54776894
>What is 'the world of warcraft update'

>>54776873

I don't doubt you, but the Blame jump on the drive is just Dirge's most recent update of the jump. It has the scenarios, the arcana rolls, and pretty much everything else...

>>54774460
The Baki the Grappler series
Like all of it all the way up to Baki Dou
Honestly it surprises me that it hasn't been made yet considering some of the Jumps we have

>>54776904
Everyone's scared of Pickle.

>>54776900
Also, he's forgetting that he doesn't speak for the fucking thread.

Regardless of what he and a few others want, quite a few voices wanted the jump to stay on the drive. Yet anon continues to go "well my opinion's the only one that matters, and I want the jump removed, so nyeh."

>>54776824
>Sounds like they both got what was coming to them.
Referring to Elphaba in there? Hell, she's probably the most understandable character in the novel. Certainly the least fucked up until hit with enough breaking points that Harry Dresden thinks his life is a paradise.

>>54774460
Fate/grand order split into eight consecutive sections covering each of the singularities, and then DLC for the few worthwhile extra events.

Kinda like Light of Terra, but much, much more looser with its railroading.

But I wouldn't expect that kind of behemoth out of anyone. Like, good god it'd probably reach at least 500+ pages.

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>>54776900
This was the one that I saved from the last time it was uploaded. I can see why it's a major improvement over the one that's still on the drive.

>>54776930
Yes, cheating is unforgivable so her suffering is deserved.

>>54776914

I actually don't mind Dirge's version at all, and will most likely continue to use it in my chains.

That being said, if there is a new version out by someone other than Dirge I just want to see what it looks like to compare the two.

>>54776914
You don't get to decide that, not when the jump that's on the drive doesn't comply with jumpchain. It isn't a jump and shouldn't be on the drive.

>>54776630
Look at >>54776637, >>54776743 and >>54776794. It's all personal gripes or personal attacks. I've seen very little reason to give the benefit to doubt when barring today, those who don't seldom give reasons.

>>54776414
So, what do you have already for the Rogue Trader jump?
Do you have a basic idea of what you want to do?

>>54776956
Neither do you, asshole.

>>54776943
Are you serious? That's barely a WIP. I'm no fan of Dirge's work, but it's preferable to that ghost of a jump.

>>54776943
This is crap, the second perk is a completely ridiculous non starter. Nobody can tank a hit from a fucking GBE.

>>54776975
>Are you serious?
He's seriously shitposting.

>>54776971
NU UH MY OPINION MATTERS MORE

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https://pastebin.com/dCPKG1dQ

Not a fun place to be, especially not when you have no idea what you're doing there.

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>>54776943

Much appreciated anon! It's a bit sparse though. Ah, well. I'll keep them both.

Anyway, have a pic!

>>54776988
Splash Woman is cute but she's not Fairy Leviathan.

>>54776943
>major improvement.
>everything is a single fucking sentence
>safeguards, GBEs etc are barely explained
>"It's a dangerous place". Understatement of the century

You are the reason why serious criticism of Dirge goes unheard of.

>>54776962
I think the complaints about excessive bloat, vagueness, and disregard for the actual setting are valid enough. It's not like Dirge is unique in these faults, but he does have them.

>>54776945
I happen to think that arranging marriages for children is unforgivable and those who do should be executed and the marriage annulled.

>>54776992
B-B-B-BUT MUH JUMPCHAIN SANCTITY.

>>54776988
>chose Kitsu 9
Those scientists know what's up.

>>54776987
Invalid opinion. Only mine matters.

>>54777003
Nu uh.

>>54776999
That's fine too, just make sure its annulled before they go off gallivanting.

>>54776994
I disagree. Maybe I dare read more than 2-3 sentences but if you ignore the scenarios I don't see that much to complain about. Maybe the framing device for the intro text, but even that's a stretch.

Disregard for the actual setting? The stuff's all you can find there, barring the 800 CP which is based on a phenomena in the jump. Vagueness? Look at THIS for comparison, where the 3 factions don't have a fucking description (and calling the Safeguard a faction is a stretch at best). The City is barely described, especially it's size.

>>54776945
>cheating is unforgiveable

So you're...just gonna ignore the painful mutation, social ostracism, dystopic government and magical war.

Because you're obsessed with cheating.

In a world where people are being locked up and killed.

You think cheating is more important.

What are you, /r9k/?

>>54777019
You're arguing with guys who think Mib / Reborn's old work is the peak of creativity.

In short, idiots.

>>54777019
When did I say it was more important? I just said those two got what they deserved. I never said anything about them being the most evil or the ones deserving the most suffering or anything like that.

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Name is because I started to lose track of what I've said in the archives in case I want to reference it later.

Checking in with an update on what I've been doing and another question.

I'm adding planetary modifiers (you can see the first ones I have on the second page in the preview) for the planets and while I've got a decent list of ones I'm planning on adding, I wanted to see if anyone had any specific requests for me. Plans include things like debris rings, tectonic instability, being mineral/soil rich and other 'general' space anomalies.

>>54777035
Space anomalies sound pretty exiting. Space is big and tends to be pretty boring when you're actually traveling through it. Throw em on in!

>>54777000
I don't even know if you're mock-supporting him or mock-supporting the guy who posted that jump

>>54777031
Elphaba was melted to death by a pail of water, after going mad from grief, prolonged war and loneliness. The Wizard actually is a strong contender for most evil being in the setting, but for reasons unrelated to fucking marriage.

I don't think relationship shit is important at all enough to wish a painful death, unless you're a retarded anime yandere girl.

>>54777035
I want a bunch of moons. Moons are good.

What about a high gravity world, so that space technology is excessively hard? The higher the gravity the more thrust is needed, so species on high gravity worlds might be seriously delayed in space travel or find it impossible to advance to.

A radiation belt that instantly fries you like they used to think surrounded earth.

What about a situation where another planet is slowly decaying into your orbit so you have to hurry up before it tears your only inhabited planet apart?

>>54777035
Monoliths?

>>54776370
Hey NikaMoth, on the topic of fate and destiny, I noticed that Jumper's Weapon mentions it too. Is it a figure of speech or are the weak point abilities a function of fate manipulation instead?

>>54777019
Just because the pdf that anon posted is total shit doesn't excuse the vagueness and hyperverbosity of Dirge's jumps.

Yes, I'd rather let Dirge write two hundred billion words of nothing about a setting than be forced to use a 3-page outline of a jump written at a third grade reading level. But I'd rather actually have a concise, well-written jump than either of those.

The lesser of two evil is still an evil, anon. And this isn't a binary choice.

>>54777060
The latter.
Shit, I kinda failed on that one if it coulda gone either or, huh.

>>54777060
Okay? What made you think I wasn't going to kill the Wizard too? If it gets a jump I totally am. I'm not passive, I don't spare evil when I see it. He and his cronies and anyone else that deserves it will die, especially if the story spares them.

>Unless you're an anime yandere girl
Well...

>>54777019
This is not a viable replacement but to point out a few examples of his non canon and head canon inclusions the work suits and different models of gbe are non canon. It was enen pointed out that one of his gbe options wasn't a gbe, the switchblade one is domo's gun and definitely not a gbe.

>>54777031
>Fiyero and Elphaba deserve to suffer horrific deaths because he chooses to be with the woman he loves as opposed to being with a woman he was forced to marry who he barely knows
Aside from that being completely and utterly ridiculous, I have to ask, what do you think he should have done? It's not like he can actually annul the marriage without starting a political shitfit and getting the local despot and his secret police involved.

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>>54777035
>Lavaworld

I want to be the Hellspawn.

>>54777092
Stay faithful to his wife like a mature adult instead of cheating like a petulant, indulgent child.

>>54777060
>Elphaba was melted to death by a pail of water

By a girl who was trying to help her, no less. That had to be pretty damned traumatic to Dorothy.

The death, however, is... Unclear.
Between the prophecy and the "wicked" person who released Galinda's imprisonment who took "long enough" it may or may not have been permanent. The person referenced could have been either Elphaba or Rain (Elphaba's daughter.)

>>54777035
I dunno if this is the right section for it, but I'd love to have an option to start on a moon orbiting another planet. The potential for amazing views appeals to me.

>>54776539
>>54776733
>>54776864
Yeah I was mostly going by the RPG books where the biggest ships you could get were Battlecrusiers and Grand Cruisers. I know that you could potentially get a Cruiser at start though you weren't guaranteed one.

>>54777080
No it's not, but I just don't see the point in starting this shit when to you it's the lesser of two evils and to me it's alright. Hell, there's a convenient chart at the bottom of the jump for speedreaders.

>>54777090
Now that said, I didn't know this and these are legit points. If we ever get back in touch with him by some miracle, I'd be more than happy to point them out to him.

>>54777085
I don't care what you do to a fictional character. I just mad that you think cheating matters more than, as anon said, a life that makes Harry Dresden's look tranquil by comparison. Do you accuse anyone who says things like this of being a cuck? Because before you start, I never said it was bad, just that it's fucking weird you single that out as why you want to kill her.

I'm not going to play this game with you. You will never be cute. You will never have a senpai.

>>54777110
I was pretty sure there isn't any kind of ressurection magic there, so unless there's a huge plot twist later I can't think of a reason to believe it wasn't permanent.

>>54777107
Not him but why is fidelity so important to you. It's like you don't even believe other emotions meaningfully exist, you weird little spaz.

>>54777035
Probably want something like decreasing the size of the planet, what it's in orbit around, if it's a moon or not, those sorts of things. A Full size planet would probably be a moon to a Gas Giant, while a smaller planet might be in orbit around another life bearing planet, which would be a funny way to import a companion as a different species from yourself.

Maybe precursor ruins?

>>54777127
People were talking about her, not about the Wizard's actions. What did you want me to do? Say she deserved to die for any of the individual acts of suffering you enumerated? That wouldn't make sense. For her insanity? That depends on her negative actions, which you also didn't focus on. The only thing she did bad was help a man cheat, so of course that's what I'm going to judge. Not anything else she did, because you didn't say, and not what anyone else has done, because you barely mentioned that either.

>>54777150
Fidelity is important to the majority of people, anon.

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>>54776991
Honestly though Ocean Man could've been his own Robot Master in a later game, and none of the MM9 RM's have Battle Network counterparts.

That's sort of how Splash.EXE happened in my head. Ring Man's BN counterpart is a girl, and since Ocean Man -> Splash Woman already happened in MM9 development, having .EXE be a port of the Ocean Man design made sense.

The helmet is probably closer to the one from Splash Woman's final design, though.

>>54777002
Yeah, but they're still fighting over the Jump-chan model's voice and looks. Text-to-speech? GLaDOS? UTAU?

>>54777155
The majority of people do not think fidelity justifies a violent, humiliating and accidental death. I know this place draws autism like honey draws flies, but I would've hoped the fact multiple people are disagreeing with you would have made that obvious.

I'd also point out how hypocritical it is to be buttblasted about fidelity in a thread where there are perks for stealing lovers and bending them to their will, but your answer makes me think someone hurt you in the past and you never got over it.

>>54777176
*infidelity

Also I swear if you pull the lol I was just RPing my jumper card I will slap you through the internet once Google gets off it's ass and invents the technology

>>54777125
Pleas go outside the gamebooks and look into some of the other fluff. In the game books you are limited to one warp capable ship when in the lore rogue traders lead small trading, exploritory, or battle fleets.

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>>54777058
I plan to, just want to make sure there aren't any that I miss by accident.

>>54777065
>>54777069
>>54777119
>>54777152
>Moons
Satellites will be their own section, including the options for many, many extra ones, binary planets and being the satellite of a gas giant - or evolving on the gas giant if that's your thing.

>High Gravity
Already a thing with a separate section for gravity, but I guess it's possible to have a terrestrial planet with gravity higher than 5Gs? Gas Giants will have ranges from 10+ Gs.

>Radiation Belt
...Is that an actual thing? Wouldn't that just be the result of a high energy star and a strong magnetic shield, so as soon as you left the atmosphere you'd just get punked?

>Decaying Orbit
That's a thought, although it might make it into a separate 'Challenge Planet' section I've been debating. Noted down.

>Monoliths
...Like a Monolith being on the planet with you? I suppose that's possible, but would it just speed up the getting of new parts of something, since you are effectively a Monolith on your own. There is a note for an accelerated evolution option, along with an evoadvantage option that lets you start as an advanced species.

>Size
I actually posted this at an earlier time, but let me post the spoiler again for reference. Those are the size options I've got right now (for terrestrial planets, gas/ice giants will be different).

>Precursor Ruins
Already a plan, along with the option to import the Civ that created them.

>>54777176
It doesn't matter to me on that token if you disagree. It's not like we're forced to work or live together, or that any of us are trying to change society. Ultimately, the way I feel doesn't matter to anyone else either. An expression of judgement or of feeling is an isolated little expression of thought, not an argument to convince you.

That those perks exist doesn't mean everyone has taken them or used them, anon. I don't get your argument here. Do you think we're a hivemind even after you've disagreed with me?

>>54777127
I don't see what's wrong with the replacement jump honestly. Most of the outrage just seems to be people fabricating things based on the opposite points to the ones that people used against the jump that's already on the drive. This replacement jump is much more faithful to canon and gives a better feel of the setting than the hyperverbose monster that's on the drive.

>>54777150
>I was pretty sure there isn't any kind of ressurection magic there, so unless there's a huge plot twist later I can't think of a reason to believe it wasn't permanent.

There's more novels than just Wicked, and in them there's an oracle (Yackle) that hints that she's not gone. Also the story of Saint Aelphaba and the witch behind the watefall. Someone in the last book reports having seen her. And then there's Glinda, who I already mentioned.

While unclear, it is heavily hinted.

>>54777155
I'd like to point out that you are literally arguing that two people deserve to die a horrific death just because one of them decided he would rather be with the woman he loves rather then a woman he was forced to marry at the age of seven. I mean, if you were arguing that they deserved to have to deal with consequences for their actions, then okay. But I'm pretty sure there's a difference between 'dealing with the consequences of cheating on your spouse with the woman you love' and 'being brutally murdered by the local secret police, and going insane because your love interest was brutally murdered by the local secret police, you gave birth to his child while in a coma that was caused by his death and you never knew, and you eventually died a horrific death in the form of melting'.

>>54777198
>...Is that an actual thing?
It's called the Van Allen belt, and no, it didn't actually fry anyone.

>>54777125
The RPG will probobly be fine for the most part but after looking through the ship sections it has a lot of lorebreaking limits that would cause serious issues if used as the sole basis for void related stuff.

It would kill any navy or trade focused rogue trader build and those are the two biggest parts of being a rogue trader.


What are your plans so far?

>>54777220
This is one thing I don't compromise on. They deserved it for their actions, yes. A bit like Dante Allegri, I think crimes based on betrayal are some of the worst.

>>54777202
I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or not. The City isn't described at all. The Safeguard, Governing Authority and Silicon Life aren't described beyond their names. Scan provides no information on what Killy and Sanakan scan like. The Net Terminal Genes, a plot device, are offered for 200 CP. The creation of silicon life is barely described beyond it costing energy. There is nothing to convey the atmosphere or themes of the jump-and before you pull the subjectivity card, I mean that literally in that the bare minimum, sometimes less, is being used to describe everything on offer.

You are either a rusemaster or reading at a third grade level, and I don't know which would be worse.

>>54777242
He thinks Reborn's work was the peak of creativity.

As in. The old Bleach jump, Buso Renkin, Code Geass, that kinda shit.

Should prolly just drop the argument before you intend your skull from facepalming.

>>54777239
>>54777199
I'm well aware we're not a damned hivemind, it's because you stand out that I'm even bothering to ask. Why do you think like this? Nobody I've ever met thinks like this.

>>54777239
Now, I know jackshit about the novel, but
>a woman he was forced to marry at the age of seven
Do you expect people to just put up with that shit? Of course he's going to cheat. If the two of them had consented to marriage, then sure, cheating would be a terrible thing, but not when it was forced.

>>54777224
...Huh. That's actually really cool, thanks for sharing, anon. I dunno if I can use it, though, since that seems to be a feature of most planets? Then again, a strong one that grabs a lot of particles could be enough of a problem to earn you some points.

>>54776709
Ah, good. I'm trying to have a 500,000 strong army of them divided amongst the Jedi.

>>54777239
>crimes based on betrayal

You know, I actually agree with the statement here, though not your extremist "murder them for it." Though I suppose it's possible that you really just think Elphaba is at fault and deserving of death.

What I don't agree with is your idea that someone else can swear you to an oath that you are bound by. There was no betrayal on the part of Fiyero or Elphaba.

>>54777261
He's Anonymous.

Only reason he's vocalizing this. He's anon, there's no repercussions for expressing these beliefs.

>>54777291
Well, at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law I suppose that does make sense what with /pol/ having a National Socialist general.

>>54777239
>betrayal
What betrayal? It was an arranged marriage, not something that either of them chose. Something they were forced into as children. Look, normally I'd agree that betraying someone you married is a terrible thing (though I wouldn't agree that the punishment should be a horrific death), but they were forced to do this against their will. I'm not going to support vows or oaths made for someone by someone else. I'm not going to support a marriage that was forced on both parties. Because that's exactly what this is.

>>54777242
Everything that needs to be explained is already done in there. The rest of it can just be found with a read through the manga or wikipedia if the jumper is actually interested in the setting, which is definitely a lot better than what can be said for the current jump. Everything that can be bought is adjusted to what a main character would have, which is what people would expect for a jump.

Atmosphere and themes are completely unnecessary and are part of what makes the existing jump terrible as multiple people have already pointed out. The replacement lets you make your own atmosphere and that fits a jumper far better than reading somebody else's boring narrative.

>>54777261
It's difficult to describe. I think personal treachery is a monstrous thing, with treachery of those you love being one of the worst things a person can do. If he doesn't actually love his wife, which he doesn't obviously, then he should seek a divorce. If he can't, which you said was true here, then he should be an adult and accept his situation rather than sinking to the level of betrayal.

>>54777262
Yes, I expect him to have the maturity to accept it if he cannot change his situation.

>>54777283
>>54777305
A marriage is a marriage. That said, I don't personally murder people for it myself. I think they deserved it, but in cases where I handle punishment I do so in a much dryer, legalistic way. Such as annulling their right to any property in case of divorce, or having them lose child custody in that case.

The real punishment is in the afterlife.

>>54777291
He asked why I feel this way, not why I feel comfortable voicing my feelings.

>>54777311
>atmosphere and themes are complete unnecessary

Translation: I HATE FLUFF

>>54777198
Damn. You're doing good work. Excited to see the jump!

>>54777315
>Yes, I expect him to have the maturity to accept it if he cannot change his situation.
If you're not shitposting right now, I really feel sorry for you, and any who have to live with your views.

>>54777305
It should also be noted that Sarima, Fiyero's wife, takes in Elphaba after she recovers from her breakdown and coma.

Oh, and she was literally pulled from a caravan to be wed to Fiyero as a child.

>>54777315
>The real punishment is in the afterlife.
Ah. I see. Fundamentalist monotheist. Discussion is pointless.

>>54777311
Providing context and explaining ideas/world elements are important parts of making a jump that isn't shit. Just because Dirge goes too far to the extreme in padding out his jumps doesn't mean we should encourage the opposite.

>>54777315
>a marriage is a marriage

If someone forced you to marry them at gunpoint, would it be "mature" of you to accept those terms in exchange for your continued survival?

Or would they call you a coward?

>>54777331
>Ah. I see. Fundamentalist monotheist. Discussion is pointless.

That's not how you spell shitposter, anon.

>>54777329
It's okay, anon.

>>54777331
That makes this Fiyero's betrayal of her even worse.

And no, I'm an atheist in real life. It's just that I, as a jumper, have my own afterlife. Which of course has its own hell.

>>54777336
Is it legally binding?

>>54777174
That's more thought than I expected to go into a jump-built semi-OC.

>>54777331
>she was literally pulled from a caravan to be wed to Fiyero as a child
You know, I'm starting to think that the people in charge of Oz are just going out of their way to make people miserable for shits and giggles.

>>54777315
Well, I absolutely, disagree completely, with extreme prejudice and-look, I'm running out of polite ways to emphasise how wrong I think you are, and flinging insults is a waste of time.

All that I can add, is that not only can I guarantee that not only will you never find anyone in this thread that will share your views. But that if you didn't realise it already, your opinion isn't normal in society.

>>54777311
All the jumps people usually cite as their favorite have far, far more atmosphere and themes than this. I've seen more tha one jump criticised for the exact fact you need a wiki to keep up with the info; it was one of the reasons DDanon took so much flack. You just come off as supporting this one out of sheer hatred for the other, and it doesn't help you're touting more main character shit nobody asked for.

>>54777343
>It's just that I, as a jumper, have my own afterlife. Which of course has its own hell.

oh jesus he's RPing his god damn jumper

>>54777343
>Is it legally binding?
So for you even the most terrible things are alright to do, so long as they are legal and legally binding? Wew lad. As always, I'm happy that the people in this thread will never amount to anything, because I wouldn't anyone here to hold any amount of power.

>>54777355
He seems totally sincere, everyone else I've seen do that has an avatar to show they're not super srs. Unless you mean like Bancho he's imposing his reality shittiness in jumpchain, in which case yeah.

>>54777343
...do you think a lot of legally binding marriages out there are made at gunpoint, anon?

>>54777354
No uh you're wrong.

>>54777343
>Which of course has its own hell.
>of course
Why tho? That's not at all a good thing.

>>54777371
At least specify about what you autist

>>54777355
In regards to my morality and beliefs, no I'm not. I just took the time to describe how my jumper would handle this situation simply because people seemed to have the idea that I was the type to personally murder the witch and Fiyero when I'm not. I obviously have no moral or legal authority in real life, so I can't put my beliefs into practice.

You seem quick to think the worst of me.

>>54777368
Only in cases of betrayal, mainly.

>>54777369
That's sort of my point, it's not legally binding so there's no betrayal of it to be had.

>>54777372
Some people deserve to be punished. So they are. I don't believe in infinite punishment for finite crimes, so of course a stay in hell isn't permanent either. When it's over, their souls are cleaned of all memory and personality and then reincarnated.

>More shit for Spore released
>People'd rather bitch and argue in this goddamn "MARRIAGE IS SACRED CUZ I SAID SO" farce

>people'd rather argue than make sure we got content

God you people continue to surprise me with this level of pathetic.

>>54777343
>Is it legally binding?
The president passes a new law that says you have to cut your dick off. Be a responsible and mature man and cut your dick off, anon. If you don't it's treason and you're going to hell.

>>54777333
>Just because Dirge goes too far to the extreme in padding out his jumps doesn't mean we should encourage the opposite.
I disagree. Dirge is definitely the defining standard for what makes a bad jumpmaker, but this isn't anywhere close to the opposite. This just looks like a normal jump before useless fluff gets put in there. The world elements and ideas are name dropped, that's good enough.

The world of Blame isn't very complex and this jump is faithful to that. If you think otherwise, then Dirge's jump managed to pull the wool over your eyes with all of the non-canon bullshit he forced into there. With how much of the jump is non-canon it might as well be an OC jump instead of a Blame! jump.

>>54777384
Protip: You probably should specify "my Jumper thinks" or use an avatar or something the next time you talk about your JUMPER'S stance on maritial relations. Otherwise everyone will think you're some sort of dogmatic sociopath.

Yes, it's entirely rational to think the worst of someone who posts like this >>54776945 without specifying that's your JUMPER'S opinion, not the one you hold in real life.

>>54777384
>When it's over, their souls are cleaned of all memory and personality and then reincarnated.
Then what's the point of the punishment? To make yourself feel good?

>>54777350
>You know, I'm starting to think that the people in charge of Oz are just going out of their way to make people miserable for shits and giggles.

Doesn't it just seem that way?

Now that I'm thinking of it, a Jump in the Wicked version of Oz... There are some people I really do want to horrifically murder, starting with the Wizard.

>>54777397
Point out what's non-canon.

Go on. Without referencing the survey team, which can be ignored, go on and tell me what's non-canon.

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Changelog:
-Cryptids get two more (three total) discounts on their 400 CP perks
-Three new drawbacks
-Reduced Global Conspiracy in power
-Hopefully formatting isn't weird again

>>54777318
I'm secretly paranoid this will end up far more sprawling than I'm capable of delivering, but so far my notes indicate it's doable!

>>54777397
>I disagree. Dirge is definitely the defining standard for what makes a bad jumpmaker, but this isn't anywhere close to the opposite. This just looks like a normal jump before useless fluff gets put in there. The world elements and ideas are name dropped, that's good enough.
You're absolutely right anon, I agree with you. Would you mind taking a look at this perk for my new jump?

>"Ultimate Glasses" 100CP: You have the name, you figure out the rest.

>>54777354
>not only can I guarantee that not only will you never find anyone in this thread that will share your views. But that if you didn't realise it already, your opinion isn't normal in society.
I know. It's fine.

>>54777395
I'm only this strict in regards to betrayal.

>>54777400
I'm not talking about my jumper's stance. These are my views. I was only talking about my jumper in regards to how they'd handle punishment. I think those are just punishments in real life too.

>>54777401
Those that bring suffering on others should suffer in turn. It's karmic.

>>54777392
Spore is good. Anon is bad, and must be corrected.

>>54777397
>Useless fluff

Are you aware that instead of sounding reasonable and objective, most other people think your opinions are objectively terrible? If having zero fluff is so great why do you think mib got complained about so much early on? No, this does not look like a normal jump and you expressing your dislike at another jumpmaker isn't going to change that.

>>54777407
>Cryptids get two more (three total) discounts on their 400 CP perks
Seems like you might be getting affected by your time on SB than you thought.

>>54777418
Are you the same guy who shits on OAA every chance he gets?

Seeing a connection.

>>54777423
No, I'm not. I don't have the viciousness to attack someone like that.

>>54777407
He Comes might need some further explanation. I have no fucking clue what I should expect if I take it, and just what this "incredibly powerful" being can do, or how powerful it actually is. Unless you are supposed to make that being up yourself? Would feel kinda wierd though.

>>54777418
It's a betrayal of your country, anon. By not conforming to the legally binding decisions of others that you opt into by being born into the country they control, you're both breaking the law and the leader you swore your allegiance too by participating in the legal system due to your citizenship, which you were born into. Cut your dick off anon, or you go to hell.

>>54777392
Stop. Expecting. Better.

People here WANT to argue. They don't want content, they don't want jump builds, they don't want stories or any other contributions.

They want a board where they can just sit in their dank little basements, hammer away at their keyboards, and scream at strangers over the internet for daring to disagree. Because there's nothing else going on for them. No accomplishments or victories to celebrate, nothing good to look forward to.

Why else are they on a self-insert CYOA board.

>>54777418
Well, your views are shit and you are a terrible person. You seem to have accepted that's general opinion of you by now. So there's not much more to say on that front.

I am genuinely curious if you always thought this is the way things should be, or if something bad happened to you to make you think like this. You remind me of that guy who hates Tamamo because playing her videogame made him super sad and ashamed for some reason I think is equally dumb, except at least he doesn't bring her up anymore.

>>54777035
Oh, this is going to be a fun jump, isn't it? It kind of sounds like you're basing the jump off of the Spore everyone wanted rather than the Spore we actually got. I'm probably going to wind up making a ridiculously big build for this as I satisfy every SpecEvo urge in me. I mean, a jump where I can build a planet's geology, meteorology and local stellar environment, then fill it with life forms of my choosing and plot out how they evolve? Yeah, that is so very much my thing. I love what you're doing here and I look forward to seeing more.

>>54777268
They do vary in strength, yes. That's why Jupiter is a really dangerous planet, it's got an incredibly powerful radiation belt due to its also incredibly powerful magnetosphere focusing so many particles. You don't want to go to Jupiter, terrible place to hang out. Now Saturn, Saturn's cool.

>>54777418
>I'm only this strict in regards to betrayal.
But the new law would be legally binding. You'd betray your country, your president, and your fellow countrymen by not following it. Surely you must agree that for this betrayel, you would deserve to rot in hell, yes?

>>54777433
It's supposed to a reference to Zalgo, a being of nebulously defined power, but I decided to leave it open ended so others could decide to use something else or come up with their own enemy.

>>54777431
Your arbitrary rage against betrayal isn't going to convince anyone of that. I'd still rather be in the same room as you than Bancho, but it's a close call.

>>54777418
>Those that bring suffering on others should suffer in turn. It's karmic.
But there literally is no point to that suffering. You'll kill them and wipe their memories anyway in the future. Which means that making them suffer is basically just masturbation to you.

>>54777408
Well, don't bite off more than you can chew, anon. If you feel like trimming it down to maintain your sanity, don't hesitate to do so. We'd rather have a shorter jump that doesn't drive you insane than a longer jump that ends up unfinished because the workload became too much to manage.