Warhammer 40k /40kg/

First for there is hope for /40kg/ as along as we have a few good anons.
Also if we ban all namefags.

>>54774151
Squats when?

>>54774151
Is that supposed to be a specific chapter or homebrew? Because I love it.

How do I weigh down my Mongolian recasts since GW doesn't make certain vostroyans anymore

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why do you cunts never link the previous gen in the OP

>>54774303
Glue a coin under the base.

>>54774307
It's typically not worth doing. too many shitposters ruining things.

A friend got me a Necron army starter. I won't be able to play them, he knows I like to build and love them in the fluff, but out of curiosity sake just how shit are they in 8e?

>>54774357
inb4 "post the shopped version with the additional guns"

>>54774341
Good if you want to just fuck off and kill each other like 90% of my group, shit if you're playing objectives like you're supposed to

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>>54774363

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>>54774357
Is this real?
>>54774363
What?

>>54774357
Does anyone have the one where they shopped extra guns onto it?

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>>54774386
yeah geedubs confirmed it this morning along with a new primaris terminator squadron

>>54774400
Nice digits. But I did look it up and was disappointed that it didn't have all of the dakka.

Gonna proxy some chaos warhounds as flesh hounds for my Khorne army, will anyone give a shit if I use the square bases they come with?

>>54774534

No.

What's this rumor GW is gonna kill Abbadon next year?

I mean, what?

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>>54774801
>rumor Abaddon is being killed off
>rumor Abadabbadon is getting a new model
>rumor Abadabadoobadon is becoming a daemon prince

I don't care all.

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>Armageddon- still being contested over by imperials Orks and daemons
>cadia- literally BTFO
>Mordian- required huge armies of guardsmen and space marines, including the entire space wolves chapter just to hold out
>tallarn- bailed out by guillimans crusade
>catachan- fought off all invaders before guillimans crusade even got there, actually contributed more troops to the crusade than Terra

Catachan confirmed best regiment, eat shit cadians

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>>54774151
>Playing a game as Admech against Blood Ravens
>Scenario was the Artifact; we fluffed it as the magpies trying to steal my shit
>Boils down to my Dominus and a single Kataphron vs a Lt and 3 Intercessors on the final round
>Fail to kill anyone in shooting, not in CC with the Intercessors, losing me the game.
>We get so caught up in the moment, I tell him I attack the Relic.
>My Techpriest REEEEE'S ths fuck out and blows up the relic to piss in the Blood Ravens face.

It was a bretty good game.

>>54774920
That's pretty funny actually. Do magpies even have chapter tactics? I'm assuming not.

>play steel legion
>acquired the little fuckers years ago when I was still in high school
>love the little fuckers even though i can't paint
>start noticing after some game nights at the store i end up a legionnaire or two short

I should have played a low model count army

>>54775072
they'll get them I'm sure
You'll be allowed to use relics from other chapters

>>54775072
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/18/choosing-the-right-chapter-tactic-for-your-successorsgw-homepage-post-4/

>>54775113
Count your models before you leave.
Paint your shit, it's not hard to get everything up to TTS

>>54775072
We'll have to wait for the Thousand Sons tactics.

>>54775072

No. They literally steal other relics and tactics.

>>54774357
My autism can't get over the fact that Space marines are using stubbers

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What's your favorite mark of armor?

https://strawpoll.com/y6wgypzs

>>54776295
Man, everyone sure hates MKIV armor, anon!

>>54776420
yep column 4 looks just like all the others...

>>54776435
They obviously don't, what's your issue?

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Can you make a shooty Chaos army?

Everyone seems so gung ho on the berserker rip and tear.

>>54774920
I introduced my friend to Shadow War, he played my Skitarii force against Sly Marbo. One of his rangers shot the other one and he started getting into the mindset of that skitarii and had him kill the wounded skitarii cause he was close to retirement. His forces then started fighting against each other as Sly ran around and planted a melta bomb on their base entrance and fucked off.

It was really neat.

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>>54776446
>2nd most votes
>obviously don't like it

>>54774895

Shame that they're the ugliest IG models GW has ever put out.

>>54774895
Not everyone can have their planet kill the enemy for them.

>>54776523
Holy fuck you're dense.

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>>54774151
What hasn't the Blood Ravens stole?

>>54776554
A woman's virginity

>>54776179
I wondered about this too. It's like they want you to take it, because even if you swap all the stubbers to their counterparts it still says it can be equipped with an additional stubber.
are stubber primaris-novitiates coming out?

Sorry to ask, but I need some advice. I am one of those guys that only paint and don't play, but I want to start an Imperial Fist army and actually use it, preferably going around the units I want to paint and making them useful. My odeas so far are:

-Termi cap + termi squad. All with TH/SS. Deep strike them.

-Two 10 men tacs. Have no idea which special weapons I should give them.

-Agressors + liutenant to become turrets.

- Reivers with carbines because I like the idea of para troopers.

- Sternguard. Maybe with another HQ.

- Grav/Lascannon devs, mostly for anti tank.

-Rhinos and dropods as needed.

The thing is that I dont know if this is viable, or what I might be missing. For example, the agressors are slow, so I ight need a repulsor.

Any advice?, please. If it cannot be made playable for higher point games, at least something that can be used in 1000.

>>54774151

Help an anon out.

This is my chapter the Void Knights. A space based chapter specialised in escorting imperial fleets through spess.

I had my whole army envisioned when the numarines arrived and I hate most of it, so I thought I'd turn chaos in this new edition, or at least a fraction of them.

What color scheme can I use? I thought about a warped variation of the loyalist one but how?

They're imperial fanatics like the Black Templars, their turn to renegade happened because of Guilliman and the guillimarines, which they think are heretical. They became disenfranchised with the imperium and started worshipping chaos.

>>54774801
Well duh, he's irrelevant and the whole point of his character (mortal rallying the Chaos Legions abandoned by their Primarchs) is moot now that the daemon 'marchs are back and cucking him out of the spotlight. He'll die, maybe come back as a daemon or maybe not.

Double grav bombard best leviathan load out?

>>54776647
always and forever

>>54776553
I'm tired that's what. Sorry.

>>54775466
I've seen some complaints about the appropriateness of Fisting Blood Ravens, but the I remembered that there's probably more dedicated anti-building Blood Raven action than any other Marine chapter and I got it.

>>54776420
>every faction has units that match general archetypes
Wow you're right they're all totally identical

>>54776579
This. The women willingly give it to them. There's no stealing.

>>54776179
Well, they're Primaris, so take that into account. They are the product of vile tech heresy, probably contain Ork DNA, and they use stubbers because they can't figure out how to work a traditional Marine weapon.

>>54776710
Do space marines even have dicks?

>>54776719
And if so, are Primaris Dicks scaled up to match?

>>54776719
I can't imagine all of the roids they're given are kind on their junk.

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>>54776701

>>54776728
PRIMARISED

>>54776734
I miss pariahs.

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>>54776734
Does this mean we'll have standard Squats, Squat tanks, Squat jetpacks & more?

>>54776734
Make one with squats to prove your terminal autism.

>>54776734
None of these things are very much alike.

Stealth Suits aren't even a melee unit??

>>54776764
*floating squat tanks

>>54776772
But they're spooky stealthy so they're obviously the same as Striking Scorpions man

>>54776768

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>>54776780

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Am I the only one who can see a Space Dorf power armor like a Zaku II?
>>54776780
You cheeky bastard

So what does /tg want to see from their respective codices?

Me, I'm hoping for:
Falcons that cost about the same as Wave Serpents
Fire Prisms not sucking ass
Nuadhu Fireheart!
Avatar being either better or not 250 freaking points
Wraithguard D-Scythes getting nerfed a touch so I don't feel so guilty about taking them
Storm Guardians getting 2 attacks base please.

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>>54776764
Nope.

Why was Perturabo such a massive cuck?

>>54776779
Or reivers, who both rely on close combat and grenades like scorpions. Or intercessor sergeants who can be melee focused like exarchs.

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>>54776795
I see Irondrakes myself.

>>54776823
haha (yes)

>>54774281
Someone from /wip/ and his exorcists successor

>>54776840
?

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>>54776823

Should I run 2 repulsors with plasma idiots inside them and load the tanks for anti infantry or are my points better spent on the new dread or aggressors for anti infantry?

Are there any iron hands successors that don't cut all their arms and legs off? I like the omnissiah and all, but I don't want to convert my primaris dudes and fuck them up with bad robot parts.
Brazen Claws?

>>54776632

Sounds stupid t b h

New codex when?

>>54776898

Can't go wrong with lascannons and dakka repulsors

All dakka repulsors are fun and cheaper but they can't really threaten vehicles which is a downside. 10 plasma guys will do 11.11 to a land raider in rapid fire range so that can help a lot.

>>54776911
Probably a week or two.

>>54776814
Pheonix Lord of the Shining goddamn Spears

Or a Pheonix Lord of the Crimson Hunters, because that would be fucking ridiculous

>>54776928
Both of these things would be pretty nuts

>Character Flyer
Heck yes, Crimson Hunter Red Baron

>>54776525
The scale is just so mismatched, the rambo theme is pretty cool. But the bare arms, tank top stuff is too much of a 80's/90's vibe.

If they made catachans in the same vain as DKoK (scale wise) they'd be fucking awesome. Up the Vietnam aesthetic and tone down the cartoon Rambo a little bit.

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What do you want changed when your army moves from Index to Codex?

>>54777059
I have no idea why the fuck that posted my WIP thread image. Weird.

>>54776928
>Pheonix Lord of the Crimson Hunters

Never gonna happen. Crimson Hunters do not carry soulstones.

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Can anyone in the know give me the RRP for the following models. (Any currency is fine)

> Eldar
4 grav tanks
8 dark reapers (metal - 2 per blister)
15 rangers (metal - 3 per blister)
16 guardians
4 warlocks (metal - 1 per blister)
2 farseers (metal - 1 per blister)

> Imperial guard/Space marines
3 Leman Russ
2 Chimera
15 scouts [classic] (metal - 5 per box)

> Tau
Hammerhead
Devilfish
16 drones (think they come in 8 per box)
7 battlesuits (3 per box + farsight)
36 fire warriors
12 Kroot

Ok, this is gonna sound crazy. but stick with me

A Dakkajet

But with 6 rokkit launchers instead of 6 supa shootas

>>54777211
We're getting into uncharted territory, my man.

>>54777059
Psychic dreadnought for my Thousand Sons please.

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>>54776814
>>54777059
For admech:
A big buff to neurostatic aura
Old radium wound rules, ap-1 on the galvanic rifles
Points drop on the kataphrons and dominus
A buff to strength 8 for arc weapons against vehicles
Forge world chapter tactics equivalent
A price hike to electropriests
Doctrina Stategems
Enginseer as a hq choice
Generic skitarii and archmagos hqs
FIRES OF CYRAXUS

>>54776632
Make them Malal marines. They were gifted with a vision of the Primaris turning to chaos, so they themselves did an Alpha Legion.

>>54776814
>>54777059

>Venoms bumped to 6 slots
>Hellions with Dodge/No Escape
>Bike/Board Succubus
>Winged Archon
>Man portable Disintegrator
>Shredders become 3 shots
>razorflails get extra attack on 6+ hit and AP -2 instead of reroll 1s and AP -1
>Shardnet+Impaler gets its bonus attack like the others +1 No Escape roll and mortal wound on a 6+ wound

>>54777059
Fucking named heroes for DA successors. Also some kind of fucking skill that benefits greenwing, not just termies and bikers.

>>54776420

>posts a picture showing 16 units that don't look identical
>they all look the same!

>>54776795
>
Dwarves in space are gay. Dumping the squats was the right move.

>>54777273

Oh, and a useful Archon aura like rerolling 1s or something. A Ld buff on an army that becomes fearless is fucking retarded.

>>54774381
You have scarab swarms

>>54777266
S8 vs vehicles might be a bit much, maybe just re-roll wounds against vehicles.

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Here's the results of my Konor game today, pretty good for the WAAGH

Ghazzy can go fucking ham sometimes, I dealt his knight fifteen wounds in one fight phase, this game also convinced me that nobs with WAAAGH Banners are absolutely essential, so goddamn good to hit on 2s with boys

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>>54776734

>>54776602
Solid shit you are on the right track

Why are knight players always that guy?
Ever since they were released I bring a baneblade or equivalent to every match. The knight players created this imbalance, but I'll play the game still.

I've been using a Stormlord transporting 6 heavy weapons teams. All 18 weeps fire every round and it's glorious.
I feel unstoppable with two enginseer characters constantly repairing my baby.

This is an unbeatable combo and leaves tons of space for the rest of the army.

>>54777059
cheaper bigger blobs of conscripts, better wargear for inquisitors and acolytes, leman russ to be 1 variant with multiple options, instead of 2 variants with half on one, and half on the other

>>54777361
Why does the leman russ being split up matter?

Show off your dudes in 40k, it cannons pictures, stories, fluff, etc

Here's the small bit of fluff I wrote for my Death Guard from the Dark Imperium box
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13UOy0T_5DSmlv0UTiErNIP9q8fQIkv8Y-H4MAneqMF4

>>54777059
customization options
t. inquisition
I just can't think of anything for Scions

>>54777059
>Crisis suits bumped to BS 3+
>Commanders points cost increased to make Crisis Suits a viable choice
>Broadsides cost decreased to be more competitive with Hammerheads
>Riptide Nova Reactor changed to be less of a suicide button, bringing them back to some level of viability
>Sniper Drones made to work like every other fucking sniper in the game

As for new stuff, I'd love to see some new Auxillaries. Maybe official Gue'vasa?

>>54777373
because leman russ battle tanks can only be in squads of battle tanks, and leman russ demolishers can only be sqauds of demolishers. i only have 2 tanks, 1 of each so instead of 1 heavy support, i have to use 2 heavy support slots to use both tanks

>>54777386
>Sniper Drones made to work like every other fucking sniper in the game
They are just dumb

>>54777406
I see. Seems fairly minor as you generally want to fill as many slots as possible.

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>>54777374

>>54777059
Good Enclaves stuff

>>54777428
it is a minor thing, but im fairly satisfied with guard for now, im already assuming we are getting special regiment rules, so thats really all i could come up with. that and i think inquisitors should have a huge list of gear to choose from

>>54777358
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought that a vehicle can only be repaired by a single Tech Priest per turn?

>>54777358
You can't repair vehicles while inside of them (assuming the tech-priests are riding inside of it) and a vehicle can only be the target of Master of Machines once a turn.

why the hell don't inquisitors and acolytes have access to hot-shot las pistols?

>>54777358
A vehicle can only be repaired by a single enginseer unit per turn.
This goes for any unit that has a rule that enables them to give a vehicle back wounds it has lost.

This also makes you a lying, cheating sack of shit.

>>54777477

Back in 7th I used to throw a Techmarine and few Servitors in my Razorbacks and use Iron Hands chapter tactics.

Each one got a 6+ IWND roll to regain a wound plus a 2+ techmarine roll to regain an additional wound, making them extremely resilient.

Shit like that is why they made the change to 8th where units embarked on vehicles can no longer affect the vehicle with abilities or attacks though.

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>>54776295
>Mk3 toted as the best
Stay classy, plebs. MkV is best armour.

>>54777521

I picked up 4-5 of these pimply looking retards from a guy who hooked me up with a ton of bits.

I'm thinking of painting them up as chaos marines and putting together a tiny warband for Shadow War.

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Thoughts for this helm on my sorcerer? Ignore the shitty pain job. It's from a bits collection of my friend's first army.

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>>54777521
>Plastic MKV when

so I want to put together a 2000 point army with an model count of less than 20, and I am thinking Tyranids, but I heard Tyranids are WAAC right now.

Is there a way I can achieve this without being waac?

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>>54776632
>escorts don't like Cawlboys
>do a 180 on their religion and turn to chaos

Where will they turn when they see the Bileboys?

>>54777573

Knights

>>54777573

>2000 point army
>model count of less than 20

Imperial Knights, Tank Guard, or a Dread heavy Space Marine army.

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>>54777266
>generic skitarii hq choice
As far as a Skitarii hq goes, I would really like to see them make an Alpha Primus like Haldron-44 Stroika from Skitarius by Rob Sanders. iirc he had four arms with two arc pistols and two arc mauls.
>Neurostatic Aura
yes, god it got nerfed so bad
>Forge world chapter tactics eq
pretty sure this is confirmed
>Generic Archmagos
this would also be very cool indeed

I'd like to see the cognis manipulator make a comeback, as well at the third plasma caliver shot.

Im waiting to see the ork and tyranid codexes before I start giving GW my money again

If I so much as smell some of that 7e bullshit im out

>>54777521
DALEK
BUMPS

>>54777597
There's an Alpha Primus in Vanguard who just has two big ass blades for forearms. GW could make it an incredibly versatile unit if they did it right.

>>54777521
According to my research you are wrong.

>>54777059
On top of the points reduction from the csm codex
>greater daemons cheaper and have more attacks, KoS in particular
>beasts of nurgle/fiends of slaanesh cheaper and have more attacks
>regular flamers given tongues of flame same as exalteds
>completely redo the soul grinder, make it t8 flat bs4+ that doesn't degrade and ignores the heavy penalty, more than three attacks and give it all its wargear options back
Pure daemons feel so limp wrested now everyone can just ignore their saves.

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>>54777569
When we get our own Chapter Tactics, Void Brother.

>>54777573
>>54777582
>>54777592
I was originally thinking of taking some GSC allies so I can take a baneblade with some tyranids, but that is a lot of tax models just for a pretty mediocre tank

>>54777636
is fw even doing the badab chapter tactics for 8th?

I've decided I'm picking up Death Guard since Nurgle is best god

Apart from the DI box, where do I start? Are the poxwalkers necessary? Can I use the big boss man as Typhus without too much REEEEING, at least until we know he's getting a new model?

>>54777649
If they even are, I suspect it's far down on their priority list.

>>54777573
I can't speak for 'Nids but a 2,000 point list of fewer than 20 models is achievable with Games Workshop's new Primaris™.

>>54777567
I like it

>>54777641
Can you even take a regular nid detachment alongside a brood brother guard detachment? It says you can ignore the lack of a shared keyword between GSC and Guard, but it doesn't say you can ignore it for regular nids and guard.

>>54777599
thank you anon, i was waiting on the update on your stance toward GW.

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>>54777627
Still trying to figure out how people could even like the Mk3 armour set.

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>>54777649
FW's shit is so fucked up
>Q: There is no datasheet for an Emperor’s Children Sonic
Dreadnought – is there a datasheet I should use for this model?
A: Use the Helbrute datasheet on page 33 of Index:
Chaos. It must replace its <Mark of Chaos> keyword
with Slaanesh, it must replace its <Legion> keyword
with Emperor’s Children, and it has two additional
wargear options; it may take a doom siren, and it may
replace its multi-melta with two blastmasters.

>>54777657
tyranids have some very big models, haruspexes are several hundred points, hive tyrants 200ish give or take

carnifexes are actually a bit cheap

>>54777668
the wording is really meandering and vague, and contradicts itself even

>You can include ASTRA MILITARUM units and GENESTEALER CULTS units in the same army... (no mention of tyranids and astra militarum)

>In such cases simply ignore the Astra Militarum units when choosing your army's faction

>>54777686
If you want to go ahead and have the wool pulled over your eyes once again be my guest

>>54777699
Apparently you can, GW clarified in the FAQ. Though the original wording of the rule probably could have been better.

>>54777652
I don't know that anyone actually runs the poor Lord of Contagion as his intended profile.

>GW still haven't given a FAQ answer to how many times a Fireblade lets you shoot
This is sort of ridiculous.

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>>54777567

I was also thinking about giving him a "force staff" aka 6ft long Chainsword

>>54777659

Cool

>>54777711
nice

just too bad the transport rules are so bad. Packing tyranids into GSC chimeras (or AM/IG Stormlords) would be the literal best thing.

I guess I could use the -1 CP detachment to get away with a single GSC model but going for the -1 CP detachment ever seems like a really bad choice

>>54776632
screw that retard hater, its a fine fluff argument and I'm real impressed.
I think your chapter would be favored by Tzeench (warplord), and if I was doing them to chaos, think about it from the models perspective.
Perhaps take a finished model from the old scheme, and look at a half or a quater of the model, and contemplate a color invert on that section. What would that look like?

Keeping some of your old scheme, that becomes less and less visible the deeper into chaos they fall...

>>54777723
Isn't it 1 extra shot per gun?
What is confusing?

>>54777702
do you also sell greenstuff shovels dr Amp?

>>54777762
"Fires an extra shot" is ambiguous as hell wording. "Shot" isn't a defined term in the 8e rules.

The rule can either be interpreted as adding an extra shot to Fire Warriors, bringing them to 3 shots, or letting them fire their weapons twice, making it 4 shots. Massive difference.

Both interpretations have supporting evidence, too, it's a mess.

>>54777762
Not him but there are retarded arguments that "an extra shot" means that you shoot again, so for example pulse carabines and rifles would do 4 shots total.

I usually put them in the "Tau players, everybody", like when in 7th it was common to argue that the buffmander applied to the entire army.

>>54777784
>>54777796
Weird. I thought it was obvious that rifles went from 2 to 3 shots at RF range and drones went to 6 shots at close range. That how I've mathed out if I was to just deploy a mob of my roombas

>>54777810
It is obvious. It's just Tau players trying to cheat like they always do.

>>54777059
ORKS

I want my bikes to actually be pointed correctly, they're straight up unusable being so overcosted right now

I 'd like grots to have some kind of force multiplier function or purpose, maybe a meat shield for boys?

Please GW do what I think you're doing and let ork players mix and match clans in their army, would be fluffy and incredibly handy assuming our clan abilities don't suck

Maybe make trukks cheaper? I don't really see a reason to bring them atm

Oh and I need some invulns in my life, anything, ill even take a 6+, just SOMETHING other than ghazzys 4+

Ork relics would be really nice again also

and lastly, GIVE US A FUCKING WARBOSS KIT, AND UPDATE THE LITERALLY 15 YEAR OLD KITS PLEASE, AND MAYBE SOME KINDA NEW UNIT, JUST ONE.

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Got an Admech vs. Death Guard game in a few hours. It's the Konor mission, 1420 points (because I just added up all the shit I could fit into one Patrol) and I'm against a Plague Hulk and Leviathan Dread.
Bringing 6 Gravaphrons, 10 Plasma Vanguard, Dominus, 2 Dakkastelans + minder, a Neutronager, 5 Rusties and two Dragoons.

Should the Dragoons be in two units or one? Thinking just one to minimise enemy VPs, might combine the Kataphron squads too.

Do you guys want me to do a batrep? The vast majority of my army is currently just primed or pretty poorly painted because I'm in the process of repainting the army from "babbys first Warhammer" to "decent and better colour scheme". Eventually, all will be like pic related, but currently it mostly looks like ass.
Normally I wouldn't play with unpainted stuff to quite this degree, but an old friend is in town for a game today.

>>54777810
>>54777813
>>54777796
RAI is almost definitely the one extra shot on the guns, it's how it used to work in 7e and is less blatantly OP.

I don't think the other interpretation is pure munchkin bullshit though, there's supporting evidence in how other things in the rulebook are worded. Needs an official ruling.

>>54777784

Extra shot is one die. You don't get to swing an extra 3 times just because your chainsword gave you "an extra attack".

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Anyone remember this?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4956404/

I'd post the screen-grab but scaley snake dicks.

>>54777824
The difference is that "extra attack" is a defined term in the 40k rules. "Extra shot" is not.

It'd be the same as if an ability said "swing your sword an extra time". The fuck does that mean? There's no rules precedent for it.

>>54777723
>>54777784
>>54777822

No, it's obvious as fuck you retard. Nowhere in the Fireblade's rules does it even come close to insinuating you get an entire extra firing phase. You say there's "supporting evidence" for your interpretation? Well fuck you, there's actual a rule for that interpretation, it's the ones that actually say to fire the weapon twice.

>>54777059

Bring back special characters and improve rules for current characters, especially Vect our army needs a centrepiece lord of war. Basically other than that just more rules to provide flavour.

>>54777835
>swing your sword an extra time". The fuck does that mean?

For everybody not brain damaged it would mean that you get an extra attack.

>>54777835

That would mean you get one extra swing with your sword, it doesn't mean you get to make all 3 attacks with your sword again.

What the fuck do you think it means? How can you ask "the fuck does that mean" to something as braindead simple as "SWING AN EXTRA TIME".

>>54777835
Because the word shot has a definition and is singular. It's the same reason the rulebook doesn't define the word "ignore".

>>54776483
Every chaos player i know is super into the fluff and likes the idea of going after glory, but my flatmate plays iron warriors and he is mostly shooty with havocs and tanks. i havent played this edition so i wouldnt know. chaos being melee is more of a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>54776632
>They're imperial fanatics like the Black Templars, their turn to renegade happened because of Guilliman and the guillimarines, which they think are heretical.

sounds silly my man

>>54777835
>trying to argue that something is dubious by making an analogue example
>everybody with at least a double digits IQ would understand the example correctly

Tau players everybody.

>>54777833
>suptg
no

What's the best place to go for alternate heads? I got some scout marines coming and I hate the head sculpt.

>>54777813
But I play Tau
It looks obvious it isn't fire a gun twice

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>>54777573
I've got a prospective Dred Mob list thats going to be around 20 (MAYBE 21-22) models depending on a few choices I have to make that'll be around 2000 points/100 PL. Looks like it'll break down nicely for 1000 pt games too.

>>54777837
>>54777843
>>54777846
>>54777854
>>54777863
For what it's worth, I play with the more conservative interpretation, because it's obviously the correct one.

But that doesn't mean that ambiguous wording should be allowed in a fucking leading wargame. This only takes basic proofreading to fix. There shouldn't BE enough ambiguity for this discussion to happen.

>>54777819
>Do you guys want me to do a batrep?
please do

>>54777886
ebay

>>54777833
>glued a guardsman to his dick
>posts pictures
More of a man than I am.

>>54777887
Then good luck into being into the upper percentile of Tau players intelligence.

Seriously, there are lots of good Tau players, but the army attracts more cheaters than all the other factions put together.

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What are the chances that the thousand sons get new units, when their codex rolls around?

I really wish for a phsycic dreadnought in GW´s plastic

Or maybe a dedicted transport-kit for our dust boys

>>54777933
I dunno, based off the questions I see people ask regularly while playing a variety of armies makes me think 40k players are not as smart as they think they are. And are very stubborn/WAACers

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>>54776632
Get lots of possessed, then you can be tall like a primaris. mfw word bearers arent manlets.

>>54777772
DIG YOURSELF OUT OF THE SHIT

Quick question, are the Chaos Marine Legion Traits restricted by keyword like the Chapter Tactics ones are (ie INFANTRY, BIKER, DREAD only)

The Renegade Chapters - Dark Raiders one specifically, I'm kicking around the idea of a Renegade army because clearly what I need is a fourth fucking army

>>54777998
Yes. Simply switch Dread with HELLBRUTE.

>>54778009
Thanks boss

>>54774895
Btw, why are death worlds even a thing? Why can't they just be burned to a crisp and then be populated like any other normal planet? The earth and animals can be brought from any other planet, so I don't see a reason to waste precious resources just to fight off local nature. Or their main purpose is to produce hardcore human warriors?

>>54778025
>Or their main purpose is to produce hardcore human warriors?

They're popular space marine recruiting worlds, otherwise the Imperium values soldiers over making lives easier. So long as a world produces something of value the Imperium has no reason to do anything.

>>54777944

Zero, I'm afraid. GW have just done a massive plastic release for TS and Tzeentch, if they were working on anything else for the faction it would have been released then.

>>54774307
Because stop living in the past bitch

>>54778053
That makes sense. Thanks.

>>54778058
Bummer i guess, but they won´t release a codex for just about ~10 units, would they?

They are not gonna include deamons with it, i think

>>54778138
Not trying to get your hopes up but the Militarum Tempestus codex was less than 10 units.

>>54774341
they are incredible hard to keep dead ( killing them isnt hard, but they come back).
They arent fast though

>>54777374
I have written like 4 pages of autism for my Space Marine chapter, though half of it covers the system they are based in and their allies within the system.

I find it brings a bit of extra fun, where you make some fluffy decisions for what you buy, build and paint.

>>54777886
I got mine from Pig Iron Productions

>>54778164
I really wish GW would condense their range of codexes instead of just making a shit tonne of armies that have close to zero variety. Tempestus is a great example of a codex that shouldn't exist, and lord knows why they split the admech into two seperate codexes?

I'd love to see the imperium condensed into something like
>marines
>guard
>admech
>inquisition/grey knights etc.
Admittedly it would be pretty hard to have just a single marine dex these days, but for the rest it's completely doable.

>>54777944
New kit? Probably around 5% or les
New units/upgraded existing ones? A very goo chance.
They could very well say that you can use a normal Helbrute, but it's gonna be psychic for TSons or something like that. Think in a way similar to how they made the Exalted Champion or Grey Knights Chaplain.

>>54778213
The Imperial Indexes were actually a really good way of showing how that could work

Hello mates, how viable is a squad of 10 rubric marines (9 rubric marines with an aspiring sorcerer) with 9 warp flamers?

Getting them in a rhino to go and roast anything they get within 8 inches of sounds great.

So I'm planning to start collecting a full space marine company, but had a couple uncertainties I was hoping someone could clear up. Is the 100 marines per company rule absolute, and how do captains and other command/veteran units fit into this limit?

>>54778220
>normal Helbrute

yeah kinda figured it would go down like this, too bad the hellbrute kit fucking sucks

Primaris Chaos dreadnought kit, with lot of gubbinz for all chaos gods custamisation when?

>>54778180
Care to share your 4 pages of autism with us/me? I would love to read it!

>>54778231
I would cream pretty hard over a single unified "inquisition" faction, too. Mixing grey knights, SOB, and inquisitorial henchmen freely would be pretty great. Maybe have good old inquisitorial stormtroopers, and henchmen that are effectively just guardsmen that don't benefit from the complex platoon structure and orders system.

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I was reading the 40k lexicanum on the different space marine power armour marks and I came across some odd stuff. It's saying mk 4 was first one to have head able to move seperately from torso and that mk 3 came about from conquering squats. Is this all still lore or has this stuff been retconned? Cause mk 3 minis have thier heads poseable so that seems to contradict the lore.

>>54778250
I'm like 80% sure you can do that with the IMPERIUM keyword. Plus there's no longer a tax from platoons etc and scions are troops

Is an army that spams only Intercessors viable? Maybe with some air support if needed.

>>54777351
noice vid. whose points do you give to kaos or Imps

>>54778250
You can already do that. Imperium acts as one giant faction. You could have pask as an hq, custodes and sisters as troops, marine bikers in fast attack and russes in heavy support, and itll all be bound in a single detachment

any rumors when Thousand Sons will get their codex?

So if regular marines are 7ft tall.
how big are primaris marines, 8ft? 9?

>>54778271
Not really. Primaris Marines in general are designed for singular purposes and need other units to support them.

>>54778264
that's correct. Imperial soup army lead by an Inquisitor is a thing now. Can even be a single detatchment.

>>54778264
>>54778281
Oh shit, that's actually pretty awesome. Not played since 5th edition and back then you couldn't really mix and match your units as easily. I've been dipping in and out of this general for a couple months while thinking about getting back into the hobby, I swear to god, if we get some nice new guard kits I think I'm going to jump in. How are you finding the 8th ED rules all together? Is it true they've done away with blast templates? Seems a shame.

>>54778282
GW themselves already confirmed on WH community that its coming around december

>>54776179
I'm just happy they're not using multi-lasers

Why did they make Servo-arms expensive but worthless?

>>54778242
Very powerful, but very expensive and generally short range. They will delete everything they will get to fire and they are going to be pretty much unassaltable, but they will hardly make their point back and you risk the opponents is going to take them out at range while staying outside their flames.

>>54778320
Wait for the Primaris Finalizers, in Mk. XX Goto Armour, with Multibeam Lasblazers.

>>54778312
This makes me sad.

>>54778343
Sounds pretty rad desu

>>54778300
The only real issue with using a bunch of different Imperial factions is that most of them can't share buffs or abilities.

Also yes, templates are gone. Replaced by random number of shots.

>>54778300
The 8th ED rules are actually really good. I took a break after 5th too and rejoined just before 8th. So much simpler but in a definitely good way. Guard do well this ED too. We're not top tier (well conscript spam but meh) but we hold our own.

Templates being gone is actually soo good once you get used to it. Saves time. Nerfs guard tanks a little but not by much.

>>54777569
After plastic mkII if God is just.

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So following up my earlier question about the Renegade Chapters - Dark Raiders trait, what units and/or army list could really make the most of it? The only unit I'm really seeing the would benefit is bikers; Raptors and Warp Talons are normally just going to deep strike in, Berserkers are better off travelling via Rhino. Fluff aside, whats a good reason to run with the Renegade Trait as opposed to the World Eaters one?

>>54774357
I would

>>54777059
>Infantry Squads that can have more than 10 men
>The ability to have 1-in-5 with a special weapon instead of 1-in-10 (the filthy heretics in the Lost and Damned can do it)
>Sentinels that can actually move and fire with Heavy Weapons
>Grenadiers/Kasrkin that have the <Regiment> Keyword and aren't fucking Scions
>Special and Heavy Weapons Squads with up to 10 men, like the Solar Auxilia ones
>Regimental Tactics
>Veterans that have Doctrines
>Militarum Auxilia [Squats]

Anyone know what happened to Kranon the Relentless?

I read that he dies but is also alive, fighting in the Black Crusade

>>54778255
It was true until A) all references to the squats were redacted, and B) FW discovered how cool MK III armor can look with articulated heads.

>>54777697
At least Chaos FW models can actually use their factions transports, unlike Eldar Corsairs.

Returning player trying to get into 8th ed question:

Do the rulebooks in the smaller get started sets (Know No Fear, First Strike) have the full rules (as in: all the missions, rules for matched play, strategems, detachments, etc.)? I assumed they'd be like the 7th ed mini-rulebooks and contain the entire ruleset minus the fluff, but I've heard they just have the core rules and the one mission, so you still need the clunky great hardback (that wastes about half of its pages on background fluff) to play the game properly.

>>54778312

I see, thank you.

A bit too late for me.

> Question
Should I run my Lychguard with warscythes or shields?

>>54778406
At least you aren't having to wait over a year for a book. It's only a 4 month wait at this point, some armies aren't even getting their books until next year.

>>54778402
>Do the
No

>but I've heard
Yes

>still need
Yes

>>54778320
I never got this meme.
why is it bad for marines to have Multilasers, they're imperial soldiers and its an imperial heavy weapon.

I really don't see an issue with hypothetical multilaser marines.

>>54777406
This change really pissed me off when I noticed it, I used to run one Demolisher and two Exterminators together, like the 1 Male and 2 Female Mark Is from World War 1

>>54778381
all of this, also move platoon commander from elite to hq choice

>>54778373
>Renegade Trait as opposed to the World Eaters one?
Not having to use mark of khorne.

>>54778345
>codex confirmed coming in the near future
>sad
but why?

>>54778428
Damn. Oh well, thanks for clarifying.

Just learned from a bit more googling/youtube unboxing vids that GW did do a rules-only smaller version of the full rulebook, but only in the 2000 limited edition Dark Imperium boxsets. Absolute shower of bastards.

>>54778402
Don't know about Know No Fear, but I know for a fact that the "rulebook" that comes with First Strike is nothing but a very snazzy booklet that contains the same core rules you can download for free from the GW site.

The other booklet includes some starter scenarios with the fifteen models that come in the box and about a dozen pages of fluff to get you up to speed.

Also, what do you mean "play properly"? All you need to play the game are the core rules, which, again, you can download and print out in whatever format you choose. Everything else (i.e. army-building isn't done on the table so the clunkiness of the book is not a problem while playing.

>>54777573
15 custodes in 3 venerable land raiders
plus a HQ = 19 models

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Can someone enlighten me on the point cost of a macharius vulcan? I can find the power level but not the points

>>54777059
implying elysians will ever get a codex
>tfw no codex ever

>>54778373
Would it be worth using this Trait along with a Deep Striking Sorcerer casting Warptime on a Fist+Scourge Hellbrute to get an early game charge on a a likely target?

>>54778427

well, my main army is Imperial Guard, so I think I also have to wait quite some time for their codex.

>>54778445
The only other things I could wish for are:
>Rough Rider Officers
>Rough Rider Command Squads
>Rough Riders that can swap their Lances for Lasguns

Is the ability to make a Hussar/Hakkapelita themed guard regiment too much to ask GWs?

>>54778479
The points are in the exact same place as all of the other Macharius tanks. Page 110 of the FW index.

>>54778425
Both

>>54778481
Wait for the updated Imperial Armour books, thats Forge World's version of codices

>>54777059
Make guard tonks a bit cheaper or a bit better but not both for balance reasons also nerf cons

>>54776295
Should take this to HHG where people actually know what each armour is/looks like

>>54778489
Guard will likely have their codex within the next couple of months. They were explicitly mentioned among the factions that we'll have "soon".

>>54778509
not really a codex when all the IA books gave was the units+rules+wargear
we never had a warlord trait (outside of literally one for d-99 which is now squatted), never had named characters (d-99 had two but they either got squatted or shifted into inq.) so yeah, also the one unique piece of wargear we had (not even a relic since you could spam it) got squatted as well, making us guardsmen with deep strike for +1ppm and two extra orders, we kinda got fucked desu, i wonder if this is how elysians get squatted entirely

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>>54778489
Imperial Guard. The forgotten..

>>54778429
It's just the fact that, before the Irish Leper got to them, the Mantis Warriors and Marines in general didn't really use a lot of laser weaponry, Heavy Bolters are better at shooting through armour and have almost the same hitting power. Plus given that Goto wrote them, it's not as if the choice was meant to have any reasoning behind it.

>>54778469
>Also, what do you mean "play properly"? All you need to play the game are the core rules, which, again, you can download and print out in whatever format you choose. Everything else (i.e. army-building isn't done on the table so the clunkiness of the book is not a problem while playing.

Yeah, all the other stuff ("advanced" rules, I think they call them) like all the missions, strategems, detachments, army building is what I'm after. That they're only included in the big hardback is a bit of a pisstake when last edition they started putting out pocket-sized mini rulebooks with ALL the rules in, that was so incredibly useful, just from a "carrying around all your 40k shit" angle.

I mean, I'm probably just going to print off all the extra rules from a pdf, so it's not the end of the world, but it seems like such a step back in business practices given their attempts to be more consumer-orientated in recent months.

>>54778527
Yeah, but at least Elysians and DKoK actually got models and unique rules.

>>54778248
Well thanks to gdocs being different it turned into 6 pages

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gF_Oa7k9NotMD2AfwlHlCIw64C_eI_FLWsa-quDIp1k/edit?usp=sharing

>>54774151
>>54764528
Greenstuff and plasticard and guitar wire

>>54778290
Whats the purpose of Intercessors? Just objective grabbers?

We got any idea what the first non-marine codex is? The first 4 they put up previews for... All marines.

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>>54778541

>>54774151
>blue purity seals
>grey knights force sword
>the shittier bolter
Just why

With Cadia foreviorally btfo'd by Chaos will guard finally get some awesome plastic kits for alternative regiments? What would you like to see? I'd quite happily take steel legion, vostroyan, kriegsmen or elysians, just fucking anything other than cadians. I'm so bored of cadians.

>>54778552
do you play squats, otherwise what army doesn't get this?
another guard regiment?
also elysian models are shit, old and need replacing
>unique rules
you lose access to auto+lascannons, deep strike for infantry, free krak grenades and lose access to 70% of IG armoury, gain 2 orders which are decent and nothing else. 5 minutes of effort went into the elysians index with the only redeeming feature being sniper teams while the rest of the codex plays like discount scions, at this rate i'll run my elysians as scions

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>>54778569
Have faith Anon! Everyone will have their day in the sun the farther your release is from the initial release, the more likely you get to be called a WAAC fag in the future. Codex creep is coming m8.

>>54778576
> DONT YOU DARE ENJOY PAINTING YOUR MODELS HOW YOU WANT!! REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>54778501
Ok hombre, any chance you could be a mad dog and tell me what it says on that page is the point cost? Promise I won't forget ;)

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>>54778577
Vostroyans to diversify the white males we have

>>54778571
GW's decision to make 8th ed take place 100+ years after FoC makes the Creed pokeball situation make even more sense, though I wonder if he'll get a new Kell.

>>54778585
What the fuck is the right most marine shooting at here?

>>54778579
>Vostroyans
>Valhallans
>Tallarns
>Tanith
>Drookians
>Mordians
>Praetorians
>Salvans
>Scintillans
>Attilans
>Anything that isn't Death Korps, Elysians, Rambos or Starship Troopers.

>>54778597
The guards BF or the person next to the guard''s GF who we just can't see

>>54778592
365, 350 base, 7 for the default twin heavy stubber, and 8 for the two individual default heavy stubbers . But seriously anon, the index is in the OP.

>>54778597
He's shooting at the Eldar slitting the Guardsman's throat, because actually helping the guy in melee would be beneath him.

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>>54777284
Dark Angels will probably get a chapter tactic similar to the Fallen Angels rules from Index: Chaos, desu, which is a lot more useful to the greenwing than the more in-your-face Deathwing and Ravenwing.

The "no DA special characters in successor chapters lol" is definitely fucking bullshit though, especially given previous editions said that was totally okay as they're all presumed to have Belial/Sammael equivalents.

>>54778601
thing is though is that most of those regiments don't have anything too original to add.
Cadians are all rounders
catachans are idk
dkok are artillery attrition masters
elysians are rapid insertion teams/mobile/airborne warfare
tempestus are special forces`

you'd need to find a gimmick for other regiments to have that the others can't cover with their options in a significant manner.
most of those have more cosmetic changes with some minor rules changes that the others.
gimmicks that deserve rules could be
all tank (like IA1)
all flyer (phantine air corp)
all rough rider (idk)
other don't warrant enough as it stands for an entire codex, regiments tactics sure but not a significant treatment outside of upgrade kits/special rules

>>54778568
Pretty much; warm bodies to fill up your line and hold positions.

This isn't a knock on them, they're fine at that particular role while soaking up hits and providing supporting bolter fire, but they're not built for much else.

QUICK! Someone give a single reason why anyone would ever buy a box of regular tactical marines ever again. They just look straight up diminutive next to Primaris. I wish they had simply not made Primaris troop choices a thing so that tactical marines still had a role to play, Primaris(TM) really should have been relegated to elite, fast attack and heavy support, no HQ or troops.

Another thing, why do primaris have dreadnoughts when they're only like 100 years old?

>>54778597
contest with the mandrake to see who kills the guard first

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Can we just take a moment to appreciate how shit the leadership training for the Guard is?

Perfect example is this photo. Rather than exercise proper C2 and button up to avoid small arms fire, our hero is turned out ineffectually shooting those around. If I was the regimental commissar I'd shoot him myself.

>>54778644
Tacticals still have the advantage of being able to take special and heavy weapons.

>>54778644
why would any marine chapter use redemptors when they torture and eventually kill the honoured ancient inside? Nu-fluff is garbo.

>>54778644

>Another thing, why do primaris have dreadnoughts when they're only like 100 years old?

Do you have any concept of how much experience and getting horribly fucked up a Space Marine can achieve in a century?

>>54778644
Because thats how fucking Dreadnoughts work? You put the near dead marine into the coffin and then send them to kill shit. What do you think every dreadnought is some Bjorn tier ancient?

>>54778644
Intercessors can't go in basically any transport other than the Repulsor.
They can't take special or heavy weapons which makes them very good at holding a position against infantry but basically Ethiopia v Italy circa 1935 when it comes to anything armoured.

>>54776795
We already have manlet marines, bro

>>54778637
You could say that about the Blood Angels and Dark Angels as well. But they get their own codices

>>54778658
>"Drive me close, I want to shoot them with my pistol"

>>54778644
>QUICK! Someone give a single reason why anyone would ever buy a box of regular tactical marines ever again.
Special Weapons/Heavy Weapon/Sergeant Weapon per squad

>Another thing, why do primaris have dreadnoughts when they're only like 100 years old?
What? They've been fighting for 100 years, they've got plenty of crippled marines to shove into dreads by that time.

>>54778662
I actually like that the Primaris dread has some problems that are starting to crop up (likely because Cawl doesn't give a fuck), and besides, presumably they didn't know it'd eventually kill the host when they were installed. And even if they did, if you asked your average Marine "You can either be a crippled wreck that we mercy kill, or you can kill your enemies for however long you get in this big death machine and eventually die anyway" what choice do you think they'd make?

>>54778658
The commissar would have no problem with this, haven't you seen that pic where he wants to give them the chop?

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>>54778658
>If I was the regimental commissar I'd shoot him myself.

I doubt that considering the regimental commissar is pic related.

>>54778662
Because the choice is
>Die now like a wimp
>Die in 100 odd years after kicking some Chaos ass as a dreadnought

How come chaos space marines don't have apothecaries (aside from Fabius), even if just for geneseed harvesting? How do they make new chaos marines? Are they all supposed to be the same dudes who turned bad 10,000 years ago?

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>>54778688
I'm not defending them at all, i don't think they deserve one either though their unique units dictate that they do while guard regiments share almost all equipment

>>54778662
Oh shit, chadnoughts eventually kill their occupants? That's actually surprisingly grimdark for the current post-Guilliman fluff.

>>54778644
>Another thing, why do primaris have dreadnoughts when they're only like 100 years old?

Why did 30k Legions have dreadnoughts? Why did thunder warriors have dreadnoughts?

>>54778716
Same reason just about nobody else does either, because Imperium gets all the goodies like medics, mechanics, radios, artillery, etc. All the other factions can just go an suck a tailpipe.

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>>54778667
Why the need for a completely reworked dreadnought chassis for the primaris? Why give the primaris special articulated dreadnought legs?

>>54778716
>Expecting actual logic from Warhammer 40k

>>54778716
>How come chaos space marines don't have apothecaries (aside from Fabius), even if just for geneseed harvesting?
They do, theoretically, though others farm out those duties to Dark Mechanicus or other interested parties. They also steal regular Marine geneseed
>How do they make new chaos marines?
The same way normal marines do or through horrible mutated baby marine factories, fucking Honsou
>Are they all supposed to be the same dudes who turned bad 10,000 years ago?
A lot of them are (more than you'd really expect after so long of constant fighting, warp dickery or not) but not all, plenty are either regular Marines that defected or even fresh recruits

Newbie: How to start GK army? They have new codex, so not sure. Also they dont have Start Collecting...

>>54778742
Because Cawl decided to design them a new one and nobody in their right mind would deny a brand new and improved (in some ways) dread.

This isnt hard to understand. The Imperium may be almost completely stagnant but it still has its moments of technological improvement.

>>54778742
Better performance, presumably. Cawl isn't above trying new things.

>>54778716
>How do they make new chaos marines?
they transform slave women into breeding chambers and feed them chaos gunk until their babies pop out as fully grown space marines because chaos

>>54778716
they do, but it's just never mentioned, also you can force apothecaries you capture or just corrupt apothecaries, like Galan, but if they're a veteraan of 10k, their geneseed will be fully corrupted

>>54778756
>>54778760
And why are the venerable chapter ancients that have served for thousands of years stuck in the shitty old chassis while only the PRIMARIS(TM) get the new and strictly improved version?

>>54778749
>Denying Honsou's genius
Imperialets get out my way

>>54778762
So that's why CSM are such crybabies!

Should I read word bearers or night lords omnibus next?

>>54778776
Who says they're not getting the new chassis? The coffin interface is the same so Primaris marines could be in the old boxnoughts and old dread vets sitting pretty in the new frames depending on supply trains and the like.

>>54778755
box of terminators box of strike knights
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>>54778776
Because the "new and strictly improved version" drives the user crazy and burns them out until they need to be replaced.

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>>54778786
Let us show you... THE TRUE POWER OF EDGE!!!

>>54778776
Pretty sure the redemptor is compatible with the old sarcophagus, its justna new chassis. They can swap the chassi on the venerable old pilots.

>>54778755
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>>54778776
Couple of reasons

One, maybe they are as >>54778791 says, two maybe they like their old dreads just fine (I could see say Bjorn not wanting to get out of his chassis) and finally as they become aware that the Primaris dread is eventually going to kill its occupant they may not want to put some of their oldest and most experienced vets in there.

>>54778791
>>54778798
>>54778802
How is a Chapter Master, honoured though he may be, going to be able to stop the new PRIMARIS(TM) marines from simply stuffing full the pussy of every sister of battle they find due to their superior FACE, HEIGHT and FRAME?

Been out of the scene since like 2014. What's been the 'best' 40k novels since then?

>>54778786
Nightlords if you want to see how people would react to fucking daemons daily, word bearers if you want to see the phantom menace with a 40k skin

>>54778820
Old marines can be upgraded to nu-marines. He just has to get his chad-surgery.

>>54778820
He's not. Marinelets need to learn their place.

>>54778817
So lorewise it makes sense, but why would I field a standard dread over a primaris on the tabletop?

>>54778835
To be refined and classy as a motherfucker Anon.

I'm going to make a chapter of trenchcoat wearing manlet marines whose sole mission in life is to exterminate all primaris, and then I'm going to have that entire chapter be destroyed in battle by a single primaris captain, who then fucks the wife of the marinelet chapter master.
>>54778832
This.

>>54778835
Again, a few reasons. Regular and venerable dreads in particular are cheaper and don't have to deal with degrading stats, as well as the Ven dread having better WS and BS. I'd honestly prefer a Ven Dread as a heavy weapons platform, especially if its chilling at the back near a captain. The only thing I really see the Primaris dread having for it on the table is sheer volume of shots it can put out with the asscan combo

>>54777573
Wraith eldar; 2*5 wraithguard in wave serpents, 1 spiritseer, then wraithlords and knights to fill to 2000 pts

>>54776483
thousand sons

>>54778749
>They also steal regular Marine geneseed

Okay, that's cool. I assumed most of them would be too MUH LEGION to mix and match geneseeds in their warband, but I guess most of them are too degraded through warp exposure to be used at this point, so stealing purer geneseeds is only practical.

Provides some interesting modeling opportunities for throwing in vampire chaos marines from Blood Angel genestock or chaos wolfen at least.

>>54776734
mind=blown holy fucking shit illuminati confirmed amirite??

>>54778644

Scouts remain best troop slot filler, but if you limit it to power armour troops your best option is special and combi-special 5 man squads.

Intercessors are shit, and frankly I think they look shit: The proportions look too human, Astartes have broader builds than that.

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>>54776483
Iron Warriors and Thousand Sons are shooty by nature, Death Guard could probably do it as well (though I haven't looked at their new stuff much). Black Legion also should be just fine at close range firefighting.