Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

It makes me happy!

Makes the costs not so insane.

>>54762580
The last thing I want is a returning grenade, are you fucking stupid?
>pull pin
>throw
>lands on ground
>comes flying back at you
>blows up

>>54762635
Its an impact grenade. It explodes when it hits something. I don't know why the other grenade still has the pin in it though.

>>54762689
So it if blow up when it is on the ground and again when it smack into your face?

>>54762580
That's an awfully realistic pistol for what looks like an airsoft fight.

>>54762580
It doesn't feel like anything. No one plays with RAW except autists on /tg/.

>>54762689
Why would an impact grenade even have a pin?

>>54762724
So it doesn't explode while you're carrying it?

>>54762724

Because people fall over/bump into things.

>>54762635
>throw grenade
>it doesn't kill the enemy

You've got bigger problems

>>54762471
Not on my phone no.

Though I would certainly appreciate an art dump

>>54762739
Your many flasks of alchemist fire never did.
>>54762754
Surely everyone who does collides at throwing velocities.

>>54762781
>Your many flasks of alchemist fire never did.

That's because Alchemist's Fire explodes when shattered, not just from an errant bump or particularly vicious jostle.

currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane (ends in one week)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends in two weeks)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason (ends in two weeks)

Where are you applying, anon?

>>54762781

>Surely everyone who does collides at throwing velocities.

Impact grenades are not designed to break like alchemist's fire. They are supposed to go off when they hit the ground, even if that ground is soft dirt.

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>>54762781

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Friendly reminder that we have a Starfinder discord here:

https://discord.gg/YAk263j

>>54762969
But that's a 2hucord.

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Sell me on Triaxus, lads. What makes it Shadowrun?

>>54762992
What's a Triaxus?

>>54762984
And?

Friendly reminder that the /pgg/ Discord has a #starfinder channel and negates any need in the 2hucord: https://discord.gg/KPKWdyr

>>54763001
It's a planet in both Pathfinder and Starfinder!

Grenades being infinite is funny RAW, but I doubt a single DM is going to take you serious if you insist on it.

>>54763029
Tell me more!

>>54763028
>Inspectorcord

>>54763031
I'm going to.
Grenade prices make absolutely no sense if they're consumables - they're absurdly expensive.
The only context where these massive prices make sense is if they're reusable.

>>54763053
Yes, and?

>>54763048
It's a planet with a highly irregular orbit around the Sun that can take as long as 317 years to complete, taking it far out into the Solar System or almost as close as Castroval! This means the planet is snow-locked and vicious for hundreds of years, only to become steamy and exceptionally fertile the next few centuries! The local Triaxians reflect this change by having Summerborn Triaxians and Winter Triaxians, those born during the "Summer" and "Winter" respectively with obvious physical differences, such as the lack of fur!

Half of the planet is ruled by Dragons, who in Starfinder seemed to have become CEOs!

>>54763028
But that one has annoying idiots in it.

>>54763131

And yet here you are in this thread.

>>54762969
Is that black hole graphic real or from Starfinder? I didn't think there were black holes of that diameter.

>>54763054
>Grenade prices make absolutely no sense if they're consumables - they're absurdly expensive.

If you think them as scrolls of fireball, then the prices make sense, dumbass.

>>54763141
>I didn't think there were black holes of that diameter.

There are.

>>54762808
I am tired of this bullshit bamboozle nonsense so no, I would rather not.

>>54763054
You need to think less like fantasy DM and more like cyberpunk DM
Grenades are free when you steal them.
Always haggle, never accept the first price.
Why do you think asshole NPCs buy 10% from you

What do you guys think of the Ysoki? Has paizo gone too far? this rocket racoon bullshit has to stop at soem point right? I mean look at these fucks. I bet you queers plan to play these cheese kikes and use anime girls with rat ears arent you?

Full PDF when?

>>54763174
Personally, I'm not really a fan of the Ysokai. They don't bring anything interesting to the table either mechanically or in fluff, and are clearly meant to appeal to the people who want to play the "plucky animal-person companion."

>I bet you queers plan to play these cheese kikes and use anime girls with rat ears arent you?

I've seen plenty of people around here excited to play a Vesk or Android or even Kasatha, but none seem keen on going Ysokai. It's fine.

>>54763145
They are literally no better than regular weapons, thus not justifying this.
Let's look at the end of the scale:
Tempest Shock Caster deals 7d12+20 (thanks to specialisation), average 64.5, in a 20ft radius, costs 735200.
Frag Grenade VIII deals 20d6 (grenades never get specialisation), average 70, in a 15ft radius, costs 216800.
For the Shock Caster you can barely afford three grenades, yet the Shock Caster is actually arguably better.
As it stands, grenades are utter garbage.

>>54763152
I guess it makes sense that their size is limited only by the matter within its sphere of influence.

>>54763206
>As it stands, grenades are utter garbage.
Soldiers make grenades for free.

>>54763220
Only one per encounter, on the grenade specialist subclass.

>>54763194
Honestly I don't see why they didnt go with golarion ratfolk or at least kobolds in space.

>>54763220
So why bother adventuring then? Just open a grenade emporium and retire at level 1.

>>54763233
>kobolds in space
This

I'm considering running a 1-3 session oneshot over discord, but I have a dilemma; theatre of the mind, or grids? I'd be comfortable with theatre of the mind, but a grid system provides deeper tactical clarity, and this game idea will be mostly combat.

Does anyone know where I can find some good sci-fi grids? Gridded out spaceship interiors would be perfect.

>>54762718
Cut the orange tip off, and they look identical when drawn as cartoon.

Curiously, is there an item or something that gives a collective like Vitalist or Tactician without dipping into those classes?

>>54762580
I love how idiots in these threads complain about rules bloat, and then try to pull stupidity like "grenades never really explode, you can re-use them" in order to get more rules added to the game they're complaining is "2 BLOATED WITH RULZ".

>>54763174
>>54763194
>playing it as Guardians of the Galaxy
>not playing it as Valarian
Idiots, I tell you.

>>54763174
>>54763194
2hu is already shitting up ysoki: >>54757796

>>54763489
This is all your fault. You bred people like 2hu and now the rest of the world has to deal with this bullshit forever.

Thanks alot pfg, thanks a fucking lot.

>>54763489
how do you identify 2hu
there are like multiple 2hu copycats going around

>>54763514
It's 2hu's character from 2hucord.

>>54763514
>>54763538
Seems a little barebones and "I don't give a fuck" for a backstory.

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Our GM is a miser with his rewards. I'm thinking about taking over a business in our next stop to the capital. What business ventures are suitable for a safe stream of money for the party? What strategy would you suggest to either create one or take over an existing one?

>>54763514
Never swears, never curses, deletes posts just to add in one extra line. So autistic that he's robotic.

>>54763577
>editing a post is autism
You're the autist.

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Why did we merge back into /pgg/ when we've now got different crowds talking about totally different games and confusing each other with shared terminology?

We split back up earlier but some of you were clamoring for a thread merge.

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>>54763577
>Never swears, never curses
Does he say expletives, though?

Going to roll a Zen Archer for the first time, a friend told me that pretty much builds itself, is that easy? any recommendation in the order of feat picks?
Stats are going to be: 14, 14, 12, 10, 19, 10 after Race bonuses (Human).

>>54763607
Not enough people for 2 active generals

>>54762580
Why do her breasts have zippers?

>>54763570
Textiles, taverns and butchers are always safe sources of revenue for an Adventurer.

Are the rules for repairing Drones vague, or am I missing something? A Drone is a technological construct, cannot recover damage on its own.

Engineering: Repair Item: You can use Engineering to repair [a technological object]. The DC of the check is determined by the GM.

So repairing a Drone is completely at the mercy of the GM? What DC would you use?

>>54763724
Losers get their nipples punished.

>>54763774
I'm guessing either DC 10 or DC 15 + Drone level.

>>54763679
Also, am I reading wrong or Improved Precise Shot literally makes half of Trick Shot feature useless?

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And now i want to play a solarian, if only you could have both the armor and weapon

>>54762689
I think the other grenade is just a picture for reference. The composition is sorta ambiguous, but there is a white outline around the Grenade in the foreground and it has no motion blur.

Like everyone said, it wouldn't make sense to throw a grenade with the pin still in it. There is also no reason to throw two. If they land perpendicular to the target BBs from one will be deflected by the other, meaning only one would be getting the whole effect. And if they land parallel to the target, there is no advantage to hitting somebody with twice as many BBs when you only need one to take somebody out. Better off throwing one, and then another if the first one somehow didn't work.

>>54763866
Normally I would say that I want to suck her toes but there is something wrong with those feet and I am not happy.

>>54763885
I want to nibble on those Elf ears if you know what I mean.

>>54763923
I'm glad that you're happy, but here I am unsatisfied with the quality of those poorly drawn feet.

What is the point of designing costumes that leave the toes exposed the the artist cannot draw them properly?

>>54763871
Man if you want to get deeper into the picture you could just say the guy's trying to be tacticool while having a fun game with his friends.

>>54762808
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane
>BANLIST Fey Obediences banned (don't be a dick, don't break the game)
What's even good about Fey Obedience?

>SSDK materials
What the fuck?

>>54763958
Baiting fetishists?

>>54763985
>tfw the athletic open-footed redheaded tomboy archer will never step on you

Leakanon said if he'll post AP#1 ? Or someone else ?

How do I pronounce Ng?

>>54764062
Say "mmm" but with your mouth open and teeth clenched.

>>54764062
Nig.

>>54762580
I hate it.
I do love that they can be thrown with strength.
FASTBALL GRENADE

>>54763979
Homebrew-producing GM allows his own homebrew to be used in his game, what's new?

And Fey Obedience may be a meme, but it has the whole Maghdh thing that is trivially easy to use and extremely powerful, so that's why it tends to be banned.

Where the hell are people getting these naid rules if we doubt have the pdf for the rule book yet

>>54764098
there are some idiots who actually buy the rulebook, dontchanow

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Advice for building a humanoid eidolon for a synthesist summoner? What ideas usually do or don't work? General character design tips? How would you do it?

Guys, you can enchant your shotgun with Axiomatic in Starfinder. Chaos Shotgun!

>>54764149
That would be an Anarchic shoota, ya dumdum.
>captcha: speed posta
TYPING SWIFTLY

Is there an item or spell that gives a target flying stability in any weather?

>>54764164
I did not know! ANARCHY SHOTGUN!

>>54762580
>>54762596
>>54762608
>>54762710
>>54763031
>>54763054
Missed the new thread when I replied to this nonsense, so let me repeat myself here instead of the dying one;
That interpretation is terribly silly, and you know you're splitting hairs and being contrary. Besides, the 'special thrown weapon' thing is also touched upon in the AMMUNITION section:
> "For weapons with other forms of ammunition (such as grenades), ammunition must be purchased separately."
> "Ammunition & Grenades"
> "Grenades, ammunition and OTHER CONSUMABLE ITEMS can benefit from fusion seals, but the fusion seal is destroyed when the item is used."
Just stop being stubborn and accept that, yes, grenades explode and are ruined when they do damage. It'll save most GMs smacking you upside the head when you try to argue it at the table.

>>54764083
Damn, really?

That's just the sound "un" in Japanese, the thing Deidara keeps saying, isn't it?

>>54764138
Barring multiclass combos, there are generally two "top tier" eidolon builds. One would be the pouncemonster, which is a quadruped and the evangelion which is a biped. The pouncemonster focuses on pouncing, and the evangelion takes advantage of the biped's higher strength score and increased reach. Once you get the chassis down the rest is fairly easy, for either one you have relative freedom to choose how you make your attacks, you either go with multiweapon fighting and a million arms, or natural attacks. Multiweapon is more expensive but has an easier time dealing with DR, Natural attacks are slightly cheaper (AoMFs are still expensive as fuck). Afterwards it becomes a matter of deciding on what weapons you focus on, Multiweapon uses shortswords, natural attacks generally focus on one natural attack type, typically claws since they're cheap and there you have it. Size boosts trumps stat bust when it comes to cost efficiency so go for that when given the choice, then take utility like scent/blindsense when you have points to spare.

There are tons of other builds but those are your main options if you want something "strong" out of the box.

>>54764175
Help please

>>54763679
Anyone?

>>54764291
>>54764083
>>54764062
You're missing the point.

Ng is pronounced just like the -ng part of -ing. Properly spelling his name would be ŋ or ᛝ.

>>54764291
Near as I can tell, yes.

>>54764337
>>54763679
Why are you not dumping the fuck out of your CHA?
Besides that, you don't really have any options other than Pointblank-Precise-Rapid shot for the first three.

>>54764344
Get a load of those fucked up letters. Are you a leprechaun or something?

>>54764388
No, you silly man, I am a viking meme creature

>>54763388
Check out the other sci-go generals, like Star Wars, Trek, and Traveller

>>54764417
Don't make me get the spray bottle!

>>54764445
Spray bottles are met with battleaxes and taunting laughter

>>54764472
You will hack at someone getting you wet? How crude!

>get a chance to play a Druid for the first time
>Look at the spells that allows you to call upon nature's wrath equivalent to WMDs

Huh, Druid spells are pretty based, it sure took me this long to realize that they are one of the best choices for fucking up entire armies with ranges bigger than other casters

>>54764417
Shill your game harder, m8. There have been no apps in a week.

>>54764379
GM doesn't allow dumping, lowest stat must be a 10. Unless I want to roll, in that case I can have below 10 stats

>Rapid shot
Can I use it with FoB?

>>54764472
The spray is made from pee and poop. Being a viking you should know that hygiene is important and thus you cannot do battle covered in excrement. You have lost, Ragnar.

>>54764548
At this point I'm mainly harassing the people I know are working on apps to complete them, though. Of which there are several.

>>54764565
It can easily be washed off by just bathing in your blood, so it's fine!

Is PLD going to be a record-selling smut game in your Starfinder campaign?

>>54764545
My boyfriend figured that out a while ago. He's been our kingdom's main engine of conquest ever since.

>>54764584
Ah, but this is not a duel. You have not declared this official and thus you have committed murder. Your clan's honor is gone. You lose again, Ragnar.

>>54764590
Druids being a tool of conquest? That seems contrary to their usual duties

>>54764616
Ah, but you insulted my honor first by covering me in piss and shit, so the grievance was legitimate. While I will be forced to pay a small wergild to cover for your family's loss, that's a trivial thing because my clan is bigger and more important than yours.

>>54762580
>Worst thread on /tg/
>Worst fanbase in the hobby

>>54764655
But this isn't 40k general.

Anybody have the first adventure path for starfinder?

>>54764655
Sadly this is true. Personally I blame the larger volume of namefags and "celeb" culture that this general breeds.

Why is the Aspis Consortium so cool in Starfinder? It's basically a nation unto itself!

>>54764864
>greedy merchants
>cool
wew lad

>>54764638
Ah, but I have skipped nations and joined the King of Butter and your selfish rule will be brought down as your army cannot win a siege against a thousand archers while I just sit in the last city my king has and feast all night long. You have lost once more, Ragnar. Also I am apparently immortal or have saved up those hero points, so there is that.

>>54764939
King Harlaus sure does love his butter.

>>54764875
What's wrong with greedy merchants? They make good antagonists or obstacles!

>>54764939
The gods do not care for your hero points, coward. You shall never set foot among the glorious dead at the allfather's table. I need not bring any army against you for you to fall, for the King of Butter is a weak man who is about to fall to plots engineered by the trickster god himself, bringing his entire city with him in a flood of butter so sour it has turned to acid.

>>54764971
that is completely fair, but it still doesn't make them cool.

Can a Rogue/Sorcerer use sneak attack with spells that require an attack roll?

>>54764999
So long as it deals damage, has an attack roll, and otherwise meets the conditions for a sneak attack? Yes you can. This can lead to fun things, like SA acid splashes or shocking grasps.

>>54764998
Fighting megacorporations is cool, so is dealing with their bullshit bureaucracy.

>>54765124
yes, but that's not the greedy merchants, that's YOU dealing with the greedy merchants. the greedy merchants themselves aren't cool, they're just a foil for you to be.

Grenade RAW is Dead RAW all over again.
There are some things that you ought to be able to take for granted.

>>54765139
Is that not a coolness unto itself? You want to fight them because they enhance your own cool, and sometimes they hire mercenary companies that ARE cool.

>>54765068
The plan was to use a lot of touch spells, so sounds good

What are the rules on attaching parts onto people? I want to make a back alley doctor who has a big sack labeled 'parts'.

>>54764588
It's going to be the latest MMO VR sensation!

Who's gonna make a /pgg/ Starfinder game!?

>>54764588
>selling
>smut
This is the most unrealistic future I've ever heard of. The only people who pay for smut are those getting it customized, hence why furries get the best.

>>54765177
what's dead RAW?

>>54763866

>mikey thinks having someone else draw for him could ever give him a veneer of respectability

This "nice guy" fetishist plagiarizing twat should just go away already. Dominic deegan sucked and it should dog him for all time.

>>54763194
When i saw the cover art I considered playing a ysokai as a misanthrope, and basing him on skaven.

What are my options if I want to murder people with my shadow?

Of course, it doesn't have to literally be a shadow, but I like the idea of having a familiar that I can sneak around and do things with, while also managing my player character.

>>54765400
What if it's incredibly popular on Apostae among the Drow?

What Themes do you think Starfinder should add to widen the options?

>>54765677

What are the existing ones?

>>54765645
>Drow
>Liking the PLD setting
Actually I could see it, assuming there's spin offs and DLC where you get to play as a Drow come out of hiding

>>54765677
You don't really need to widen the options, I feel they all fit!

>>54765677
Sub-themes would be good. Themes already have only minor bonuses, but maybe changing the bonuses to interact only in specific situations but more strongly there would be good.
Like a Porn Star idol who is only famous to specific groups of people in her race, but gains a bigger benefit from interacting with them.

>increase the Starfinder PB to 11 to avoid unnecessary odd numbers when you take themes into account

Good or bad idea?

>>54765687

>Ace Pilot
>Priest
>Bounty Hunter
>Scholar
>Icon
>Spacefarer
>Mercenary
>Xenoseeker
>Outlaw
>Themeless

>>54765774

I don't know, that seems like a pretty broad selection as-is.

>>54765769
15 point buy is better. Lets you be more varied.

>>54765794

Yeah, there isn't really much imo. Most of the ones I could think of would be a bit edge case at most.

>>54765462
Dead condition does not stop you from taking actions.

>>54762808
>played every other week
>lewd game
>actually listening to neckbeards

>>54765292
Please no. Let /pgg/ games die so we can have less thredshitting.

>>54764096
Because of the Int skill check, reflex save, and AC bonuses?

It's not even one of the best obediences.

>>54765863
>not liking voice

>>54765745
>Paizo
>Porn Stars
>4717 AR

That said, the odds are good we'll meet a porn star in one of their APs.

>>54765994
This desu.

Is Avowed dead, or has it give into the nightmare realm that serves as a death knell of tabletop game content, the place known as "internal testing only"?

>>54766234
Avowed has been claimed by the Shadow Realm, Jimbo.

>Picking up a weapon on a weapon cord is a swift action, Sleeves of Many Garments actually transform your clothes and not just their appearance, Quick Runner's Shirt doesn't end your turn when used.
Weird houserules. I know the weapon cord one is undoing an errata, but the other two aren't, are they?

>>54766253
Yes, it is undoing errata. Yes, the errata actually fucks those items up. No it doesn't make sense they fucked everything up. Paizo is shit. That's not even all the shitty errata that has to be undone.

>>54766253

They are.

>>54766283
What? All three items are still top tier. I literally use all of them on one of my strongest builds.

>>54766301
I'll bite. What conceivable purpose could the nerfed swift runner's shirt possibly serve?

>>54766333
Allows me to proc Deathly Delusion, a Ghost special attack.

>>54766354
Templates aren't PC options, dummy.

>>54766301
>Weapon cords are useful still, but the change was petty
>Moreso for sleeves, the change was pointless since nobody cares much about individual outfits past level 3 most of the time
>The change to QRS was solely to fuck melee martials in the ass. It's no longer a 1/day pounce shirt because that was clearly too good a QoL buff
>don't get me started on Jingasa and Falcon Bracers

>>54766377
Demonic Obedience (Mestama) begs to differ, dummy

>>54766283

Those three were the only ones I remembered off the top of my head when I wrote the houserules.

I want to play the Mercenary bodyguard of an Idol!

>>54766386
Thanks for clarifying. Not as weird now that I know that.

>>54766380
After hearing the *actual* reason for the weapon cord nerfs, I kind of understand it. It basically invalidated Disarm with minimal cost.

>>54766386
Honestly, if you would go through errata and compile a big ol document of all the pre-errata versions of shit that got needlessly nerfed, that would be swell as fuck.

>>54766384
>1: Witch's Trick (Sp) disguise self 3/day, misdirection 2/day, or bestow curse 1/day
>2: Elder's Grace (Ex) You immediately age into the next age category, taking all of the appropriate bonuses to mental ability scores without any of the penalties to physical ability scores. If you are venerable when you achieve the boon, you die and become a ghost. Any illusion effect you create gains a +2 profane bonus to the save DC.
>3: Shriek of the Damned (Sp) Once per day you may use wail of the banshee.

What about it?

>>54766427

>hey maybe we should give some rules that make disarm still viable with weapon cords, like being able to cut them or tear them with a strength check in the same action as disarming?
>nah
>let's just make the item shit

>>54766380
How did Jingasa and Falcon Bracers used to work?

>>54766392
What if your Idol is just a Vesk weapons expert who makes videos about how to kill things efficiently?

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>>54766432
>Templates aren't PC options, dummy.
>If you are venerable when you achieve the boon, you die and become a ghost.

>>54766432

>if you are venerable, you become a ghost
ghost is a template

>>54766283
>>54766333
>>54766380
Reminder you can just replace the QRS with this for the same effect:
http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Stagger-Proof%20Boots

>>54766431
Don't have the time, unfortunately. If you know some items other than the three, and know what they did before, I can add them to the list.

>>54766457
>+1 luck bonus to AC, 1/day negate crit instead of "once ever"
>Bracers just gave you the bonus without needing to be activated or having a duration, it just fucking worked, as it was appropriately priced by the magic item creation rules

>>54766495
My PC wears both, actually.

>>54766495
Wait what the fuck, why did nobody mention these sooner? What other cool shit is hiding in the magic item lists?

>>54766465
Then I can be the stoic straight man to his whacky antics!

So what are amazing things about starfinder that makes it better then Star Wars?

>>54766549
Uhh I can just tell you my entire build. *looks at char sheet*

As far as nifty less-famous items, I've also got a Gunslinger's Poncho, a Glove of Storing, an Otherworldly Kimono, and a Wayfinder.

>>54766234
Last I knew It's just been chugging along slow but steady.

>>54766513
Added both to the list. If anyone knows any other stupid erratas, let me know.

>>54766573
Your toons can be from all sorts of worlds under all sorts of conditions, it's much like Star Wars only your toons can have magic.

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>>54766680

Does some sort for monster manual for starfinder exist?

I'm that kind of guy who read all 5 3.5 MM and not the PH and the party hates me for it.

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>>54766680
>it's much like Star Wars only your toons can have magic.

>>54766661
We need to crowdsource this shit, maybe next thread can be the shitty errata thread where everyone shares stuff so we can compile a document.

>>54766817
I'd be up for that.

>>54766817
You haven't done this before? I sorta assumed it was done at some point.

>>54766848
Well nothing is someplace easily compiled and easy to get at, so clearly we've been lazy fags about this.

>>54766680
>Toon

There's a special place in hell for people like you, know that?

>>54766883

Now, now, it's nothing to get worked up about. Some people just call characters that.

I want to drum up a bare knuckle brawler who grapples and wrestles n shit a bunch.

Recommended course of action?

Since you're using background skills, I'd consider houseruling that Knowledge (local) is a background skill because it's really not that good and it makes total sense. That said, I don't anticipate I'll apply so maybe my advice doesn't matter.

>>54766910
>Now, now, it's nothing to get worked up about. Wrong people just call characters that.

>>54762808
>not listing GODSLAYERS
You got something against it anon?

>>54766933
If you're not against having a completely silly build, you can always do the SSS/V sneakstack build.

>>54766935
Campaign is set in a single city-knowing local stuff is a pretty good knowledge skill.

>>54766952
Elaborate on this?

>>54766958
>>54766935
Pretty strong skill to begin with, considering in this sort of setting you're mostly fighting humanoids too.

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>>54766958
For 16 levels? Oh.

>>54766974
2 levels in Brawler (Snakebite Striker/Strangler), 1 level in Alchemist (Vivisectionist). 5d6 sneak attack, of which 3d6 applies on grappling, and you you don't lose dex when grappling. The rest of your build is up to you - UCMonk works dandy.

>>54767005
You leave it at times, but it's mostly lintrigue within one city. Says as much in the player guide.

>>54767086
>two Power Word: Intrigue games
Oh boy

>>54766951
It's a meme.

>>54767152
No, it isn't. It's a real game with real intentions of being run if it gets enough apps with similar honest intentions of playing (instead of just troll apps).

>>54767138
Why haven't you applied to Intrigue yet, anon?

>>54767188
Ah, yes. It's a one shot. A one shot that will be run for 1-2 sessions.

>>54767208
Because ______I have.

>>54767208
While I'm not StarToad levels of MUH INTRIGUE I'm hesitant about it with anyone I haven't played with before.

>>54767228
Have you asked the GM about your concerns?

>>54767218
>A one shot that will be run for 1-2 sessions.
While that is also false, that sure as hell didn't stop Wist's one-shot gimmick campaign from being listed. Or are you just a pathetic fucking thirstlord?

As long as we're on the subject, are there any archetypes that result in a character with full BAB and sneak attack progression at least as fast as the Rogue?

>>54767296
Not quite, but you can exceed it by using certain dumb combos.

>>54767296
The only one was back in 3.5, as an ACF for the Fighter called the Thug; it replaced your Bonus Feats with Sneak Attack, and wasn't very good for that very reason.

If I have the feat for free action style swaps, can I use Pummeling Charge to pounce and then switch to dragon style to get 1.5x Str from dragon ferocity? I assume I couldn't switch back at the end to then combine all the unarmed strikes.

>>54767269
King's Gambit has currently run for three sessions and it's roughly halfway. Online games always go longer than expected.

>>54767296
ACTUALLY
If you take 1 level in Vivisectionist and then go Snakebite Striker Brawler, you get MORE than full sneak progression. Due to this:
>If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack’s extra damage dice (so an alchemist 1/rogue 1 has a +1d6 sneak attack like a 2nd-level rogue, an alchemist 2/rogue 1 has a +2d6 sneak attack like a 3rd-level rogue, and so on). This ability replaces bomb.
So we're limited to Full-1 BAB, but we get more than full sneak progression. Not shabby!

>>54767296
Spheres of Might has the Conscript class (a Full-BAB) that can purchase a lesser Sneak Attack progression. Combine it with Fatal Thrust (from the Fencing sphere) and you effectively get Full Sneak Attack.

So for the boss fight of my small game I'm running the silliest gimmick:
A book of infinite spells owned by the BBEG has gone berserk and is scattering pages everywhere. Once per turn, party members entering the square of a page will immediately trigger a random spell from a pre-chosen list as if they'd cast it themselves.

Mook enemies can also activate these pages.

What are some fun spells to add to the list?

Things like a free fireball or create pit or summon monster are fine, but I don't want either side getting flesh to stone or globe of invulnerability or dominate monster and save-or-losing someone or invalidating the fight

>>54767362
>19 Brawler (SS/S) / 1 Alchemist (V)
>18d6 sneak attack
[autistic screeching rogues.jpg]

What is your SF raifu, lads?

Is spheres worth learning if I don't intend to play the classes? I'll be honest and admit that I just want to see if there are any good shit I could jack for existing classes like prescient dodger and shit.

>>54767568
Murderous Command and Confusion.
Emergency Force Sphere.
Other random disruptions.

>>54767629
How the fuck are they supposed to get out of the force spheres?

>>54767649
Dig, dispel or wait for 7 rounds! It's a wonderful "fuck you".

>>54767241
Why bother? I don't know the GM, so it's pointless. I fundamentally am not interested in an intrigue-heavy game with strangers, the game is simply not made for me and that's okay.

So, I played already 3 sessions with Sohei1/Enlightened Paladin4 (now Enligthened 5). It's pretty cool, and pretty much SAD as I only need to improve Cha from now on (stats are 18(20), 12, 14, 12, 10, 18 (20)). Fate's favored and divine favour is cool too.

Also for a martial I'm very self sufficient, fey foundling gives me a lot of HPs back.

Thanks to all the guys who recommended me stuff in previous threads.

Why won't anyone make a Starfinder game yet?

>>54767775
Are you retarded

>>54767775
Give it a week, it's coming!

>Captcha: Normie Place

>>54767775
>tfw the first good Starfinder lfg is going to be a memefest
Gunna be stiff do ho ho competition

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>>54767847
>mfw all the Old Blood and the New are going to be clamoring for seats

Meme of the ages, shame I won't get in to see it.

>>54767847
I feel like there's a game of chicken going on. People who have games ready for an LFG that're waiting for other people to post them first to avoid becoming the meme concentration.

>>54767715
What does Sohei even do for you though? Just Flurry?

>>54767886
>not wanting to be the meme

>>54767886
>doesn't want game to get memed on
>doesn't invite the hacker known as 4chan

It's that easy!

So I'm looking at Starfinder, and it seems like Operative and Soldier are the only viable classes. Point buy is so low that you can only have one high ability score, one medium one, and all the others at base. Soldiers and Operatives only need Dex and Con, but everyone else is MAD to some degree and that's just unworkable.

What are ways to never get surprised? I heard you cant actually use immediate actions in a surprise round if you are surprised

Do I really have to cast Foresight every time?

>>54767956
You do realize it is easier to MAD in this ruleset than in PF right

>>54767956
Early game lethality has been reduced so defensive scores aren't as important, and the way progression works makes it more viable to start with lower ability scores. It might be better to have two 16s than one 18 now.

>>54767956
Or you could just raise the point buy slightly.

>>54768055
Have some self-control

>>54768077
Level 5 gestalt Starfinder campaign with 32 PB when?

>>54768085
So what is the limit of /pgg/ tolerance?
What if I want to use 3.5 splatbooks, is that too far?

>>54768077
The one Anon's 11 PB seems like a good idea tbqh. Covers the odd score you would otherwise have.

>>54767890
Flurry and possibility of getting an extra attack by spending 1 ki, Perception and intimidate as class skills (so a +3) and acting in suprise turn, any surprise turn even If I have no idea what's happening.

>>54768098
That odd score is nice exactly because it is so awkward.

>>54768077
Remember that 15 PB in Pathfinder is considered 'normal' for Paizo.

>>54768109
No, 20 PB is.
The "Everything is designed for 15 PB" is just an old myth meme by now

>>54768051
>It might be better to have two 16s than one 18 now.
You can't actually do this since they're spent at a 1:1 ratio now. One 18 or two 14s.

>>54768055
Not if I'm not the GM.

>>54768098
I kind of like the one odd score myself. Since you raise multiple ability scores, you'll always have some score going up to a new modifier no matter what you do.

>>54768109
Can confirm you're mistaken. This misconception comes from the fact that 15 is "standard fantasy" and people assume standard is the standard, while D&D has been and will always be first and foremost a high-fantasy game.

This is how I Starfinder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WQOGVLLGw

Also, post more filk!

>>54767956
Does it matter when you get statboosts out the ass?

>>54768108
>>54768128
It's terrible because it doesn't really serve much purpose to have an odd score before a score is 18. A 16 and a 17 can both be boosted to an 18. A 16 and 17 are functionally identical, one just sucks away potential from another score.

>>54768156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Csif5l_6c

Because somebody is going to complain how Pathfinder is better because it isn't sci-fi

>>54767361
That doesn't surprise me, I was struggling to think of how it would finish in a single session in the first place.

>>54768192
why do people have to hate on sci fi, it's hard enough to find good groups due to fantasy's prevelance.

Was there a printer friendly version of the character sheet leaked/put up anywhere yet? I'm anxious to start working on Starfinder characters..

>>54768331
Because nu-grognards like to think themselves as fantasy purists while proper grognards still probably have good memories of stuff like Barrier Peak.

>>54763607
Do you have anything better to do than complain about this every thread? Or do you lack a life that much?

>>54766234
It's still going. Friends with the authors on FB, life just cropped up and occupied their time.

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So how would you build a sith or jedi inspired character in Starfinder?

>>54768331
Overexposure? I feel like sci-fi is kind of overdone with movies and video games that focus on it. And more than that, sci-fi always feels like it's going to attract asshole armchair scientists, while with fantasy you can get away with a lot more hand-waving while you focus on actually telling a story rather than getting bogged down by people shitting on you for not knowing absolutely everything.

>>54768585
He is a kasatha who wears shoes and prefers forest planets because he doesn't like sand.

>>54768605
Why doesn't he like sand?

>>54766883
Agreed

>>54768619
It's coarse and rough and irritating and gets everywhere. Not like on forest planets. There everything is so soft and smooth.

Alternatively you would know why I don't like sand if you had heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.

>>54768619

Probably on account of its texture (sand tends to be coarse and rough) compounded with its irritating habit to get everywhere.

>>54768659
If you should ever find yourself slaughtering a tribe of savages after finding your mother was kidnapped by them and raped to death, just remember: to err is human!

>>54768107
You can't flurry with armor
You already could spend 1 kill and make an extra attack
You already had intimidate as CS

>>54768679
But I am a kasatha. I am the sand people. Hurr hurr.

>>54768659
>SNOKE the Wise.
ftfy

And yes. I know it's been """denied."""

>>54768679
Be sure to kill them.
All o fthem.
And not just the men, but the women! And the children too!

>>54768737
So I should kill the younglings? This is getting a tad gruesome. Hope my wife doesn't hear about this and turn against me because I've become a horrid murderer. Nah, that never happens unless the man who loves me the most in this universe, like a child and a brother at the same time, turns her against me.

>>54768767
Nah, don't worry about it. It'll all be fine--as long as you don't also have a creepy Skeletor hand.

>>54768685
>You can't flurry with armor
Sohei.
>You already could spend 1 kill and make an extra attack
No, you only get an extra attack on flurry, Enlightened doesn't have flurry, ergo to get the extra attack I needed to MC into a class with flurry, Therefore Sohei.
>You already had intimidate as CS
Paladin doesn't have Intimiate as class skill.

You failed at everything.

>>54768767
>>54768804
Monster mash told me so!

>>54768737
*Especially* the children. In fact, make sure to double kill the children. Maybe even triple kill.

>>54768821
And he was a good friend.

>>54768821
Did he also make you pledge your allegiance to the graveyard smash?

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What spells besides the obvious ones one needs to be an effective sneak mage?

>>54768904
matchmaker

>>54767628
Even without spherecasting, there is a lot of spheres stuff that can be used without being a spherecaster. Prescient Dodger is one of the more popular, but several of the books have things for non-sphere casters. If you go the SRD and look at combat feats, there are a couple that don't require sphere casting, and rogues get nice stuff, too.

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Is there a better nation upon Golarion than Cheliax?

How big do you think a city needs to be to have enough content to take a character all the way from level 1 to 17?

I think somewhere in the realm of 500,000 population.

>>54762689
>>54762710
holy shit this is fucking golden

At which #ranks skills become superhuman stuff?

>>54769092
I'm sure you can kill less than 500,000 people to get to 17.

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The fuck is spherecasting?
What are spheres?

>>54769132
Spheres are a three dimensional shape.

Spherecasting is an alternative magic system, and can be found here: http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/

>>54769117
Depends entirely on the skill. The world record for long jump is roughly 29 feet, meaning the average level 1 adventurer with 18 dex and a trait bonus or something could still manage to beat that on a natural 20.

>>54769190
>Jump depends entirely on Dex
>Intimidate depends entirely on Cha
I'm still mad

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>>54769151
many thanks
I shall have to look into this shit

>>54769234
Jump is STR in Starfinder, at least.

>>54769264
Skills in my games most skills depend on 2-3 stats
Intimidation for example is Str/Int/Cha
Acrobatics is Str/Dex
Knowledges are Int/Wis

This helps a little with feat taxes and with 2+Int most martials have

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>>54769132
ITs an alternate magic system based around instead starting with a a basic thematic ability, then spending resources as you level up to either access other abilitise, or increase what you can do with said ability.

A "Sphere" is a thematic grouping, similar to Spell Schools from 1pp casting, which contain a single basic ability, and several different "talents" you can gain as you level up to enhance the basic ability in different way. There are 20 Spheres of magic in total 21 if using Skyborne campaign setting, but the Fey Sphere sucks and shouldn't be bothered with. With how limited basic abilities are, and how limited your talents to spend on upgrades are, the system incentivises and rewards specialization in a particular sphere or theme over generalization like 1pp Vancian casting does.

The Spheres are as follows (with basic summary): 1/2
>Alteration: Shapeshifting magic. Comes in basic form packs, as well as traits you can apply to forms based on what talents you have
>Conjuration: Summoning custom creatures like a 1pp Summoner, or a Final Fantasy Summoner
>Creation: altering and reshaping physical objects for various effects
>Dark: Creating and manipulating magical darkness and shadows.
>Death: Necromancy. Skelly summoning and necrotic blasts.
>Destruction: Blasting. Comes in a variety of blasty types and shapes you can unlock and use. Damage is rather subpar, but nearly all blasts have okay riding effects
>Divination: Sensing, Scrying, magical detection stuff, and some dowsing and minor precog stuff
>Enhancement: giving bonuses and bossting traits and effects of creatures and objects. Also object animation is here.
>Fate: These are your Sactuary, Smite, and Consecration based effects. Also curses and things. Kinda meh
>Illusion: Creating illusions, invisibility, and other similar stuff. Honestly haven't looked much at it.
>Life: Healing and restoration. Good for both in and out of combat

I want a Vesk to pick me up and cuddle me!

>>54769585
Their scales are rough!

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>>54769423
>>54769132
>Light: Creating and manipulating magical light effects. Also has "lens" effects which effect things like Vision, and how Light chages in certain directions
>Mind: This is your emotional sensing, manipulation, and basic mind control stuff. IS divided into basic, improved, and greater charms with different effects each that require more and more investment, and generally require you to decide what kinds of emotion/control you want to specialize in.
>Nature: Manipulation of Earth, Water, Fire, Wood, ad Metal. Divided into Geominancy (direct manipulation) and Spirit (manipulation of yourself and spiritual things) talents to specialize in. If you specialize in a specific branch of Geomancy, then it has good synergy with some other sphere effects
>Protection: Shields, Wards, Barriers, and magical armor. Suprisingly large ammounts of versitility, plus it makes useful wall/barrier affects as well
>Telekinesis: Telekeetic control of objects for different effects. Specialization can also grant you access to Gravity manipulation
>Time: The JoJo references go here from freezing, slowing, reversal, restoration, acceleration, and even moving things out of the flow of time. Excellent for Gish-type characters
>War: Area buffs, affects, rallies, totems, and other stuff. Think Brutal Legend's RTS sections
>Warp: Teleportation, blinking, and spatial manipulation
>Weather: Weather manipulation. Generally considered OP and usually banned by most GMs. Its existance is considered a mistake by both the players, and a few of the devs

Keep in mind, with your limited resources, you'll generally only use/specialize in 3 spheres at most. Further, all the good abilities require Spell Points to use or keep active without concetration, with Spell Points being basically a limited mana system you can have.

The system itself is designed to be mostly fluff agnostic, with having optional rules for creating your own method of casting via Traditions, Drawback, and Boons

Whoever makes the next thread, remember to split off Starfinder. The discussion is thick enough to support its own thread now.

>>54769234

>99.99% of the scary races have low Cha and therefore low Intimidation
Why?

>>54769648
Debatable.

>>54763206
At that price I'd want it to be the license to own one more grenade. If you can prove to the vendor you used the grenade you should be able to get it replaced for a lot less. If you can't you just bought the license to own one more grenade. You have to get a note from the APF (Alcohol, Pipe weed & Firearms) that you don't have that one grenade anymore and don't have to pay the bond on one grenade. Grenade damage can be stacked by taping them together.

>>54769648
And what would /pfg/ talk about then? meme apps, pld bullshit, with false flags all around? Great thread you got there buddy.

>>54769658
They use ranks.

>>54769648
Leakanon will still probably post more caps here though, and all othe attempts at creating a separate /sfg/ have all ended in stillborn failures as their thread discussion is almost always incredibly anemic and glacial

>>54769423
>>Creation: altering and reshaping physical objects for various effects

Does creation allow you to actually create objects from thin air? Can you go full Emiya?

How does 5e manage an active thread when they don't get usable content so much as once a month?

>>54769692
Ruins of Azlant, War for the Crown and Ironfang Invasion?!

>>54769752
So a bunch of APs that either haven't been released or seem of questionable quality? Fun.

>>54769658
>Have 50 Str
>Enough to lift tons
>Barely able to lift your own body from the ground because your Dex is only 12

>>54769713
Yes, but you'll need more specialization in it before you can go Emiya, and even then you'll also need investment into the Telekinesis Sphere, or taking the Armorist Class with the Souring Blade archetype

By default you'll only create objects made from vegetable matter, though there are ways to cirvumvent it through either taking the Expanded Materials talent, or taking a Restricted Materials drawback.

Basically, you can either go Emiya, or you can go Fullmetal Alchemist if you don't want to have trash taste in animu

>>54769696
I use ranks, I maxed Intimidate, people laugh at me when I try to intimidate.

>>54769783
>10 in a stat is supposed human average
>in a fantasy land where most humans perform more manual labor than our post-industry service economy
Really makes you think.

>>54769692
I've been away from tabletop entirely for like eighteen months now. Has Paolo given any support or content at all for Samurai and Ninja? Is Kineticist still mechanically unusable?

>>54769793
>Basically, you can either go Emiya, or you can go Fullmetal Alchemist if you don't want to have trash taste in animu

That's backwards though....

Seriously, thanks for answering my question.

>>54769648
I wouldn't

>>54769846
>Fate
>not shit compared you FMA
I'm sorry that you have brain damage

>>54769793
There's literally an Emiya archetype with UBW in the Creation handbook playtest, so yes.

>>54769868
I wasn't counting it yet since it hasn't been released yet, at least as far as I'm aware

>>54769808
Actually we're probably stronger, on average, than people in medieval ages due to health, nutrition, vaccines, etc. Our height and weight also increased and muscular mass with it.

>>54769818
Samurai, Ninja, the majority of the Advanced Class Guide, and the Pathfinder Unchained classes are all woefully undersupported, Occult classes get a bit more support but are mostly still mechanically bland or bad.

Kineticist is workable with hefty amounts of 3pp, but at this point, Forrest Fire Studios (a third party dev that spun off from Dreamscarred Press) has the Avowed, which will do most of the same but in a simpler to digest package, while not being trash.

>>54769881
>The desk job nerds have more muscle mass than a field working peasant
Really?

>>54769808
10 is always the average of the !humans in whatever setting the game takes place in is all. Sometimes this means that 10 Int involves everyone not knowing their knives from their forks.

>>54769864

>He's only seen the Deen version

>>54769907
But the encumbrance table remains the same no matter the time or setting, unless you have evidence suggesting otherwise.

>>54769922
All these filthy secondaries probably only watched the deen or ufotable versions and didn't play the VN, and lord knows they didn't play tsukihime.

>>54769922
I've watched VN Fate and I have to agree that Fate is kinda overrated.

>>54769926
Obviously the weight and build of things are also relatively different in order to accommodate the humans needs.

>>54769907
>>54769926
Recall that just because 10 is the average doesn't mean that people wouldn't lean towards other stats societally.

Like if you live in a country where you just need to farm, you're gonna end up with an array favoring strength and constitution.

>>54769960
But to be fair ive only played the main Emya path.

>>54769926
Encumbrance is just silly, according to it I should be between 12-13 Str because I can still run and move ok with 20 kg (as long as it's well distributed), and in reality I don't exercise enough to be considered above average person.

>>54769960
IMO, Kara no Kyoukai was much better, and I kinda hate that the weirdo magic system and worldbuilding Nasu did with it and Tsukihime took a back seat to the "muh servants" thing with the Fate series.

>>54769984
I want to harvest my field's wheat then fuck my wife!

>>54769907
Remember humans have +2 to one Stat, if you're a farmer you probably have 12 Str.

>>54770019
The NPC array's highest stat is 14 if I recall.

So the VILLAGE STRONGMAN will have 16.

>>54769875
On the topic of shit being released, the Mentalist's Handbook (expansion for the Mind sphere), just got released in pdf form a couple minutes ago.

http://drivethrurpg.com/product/218592/The-Mentalists-Handbook

>>54770039
13 actually

>>54770015
Wait your turn! I'm fucking her right now!

>>54769922
>implying Zero, UBW, and Shielder aren't also shit
>implying their shitty writing and flat "lel I'm a sociopath" characters can even come close to the well written and realisticall motivated character of Fullmetal Alchemist, who all actually act like how real people would respond to the trauma and horror involved with war
>implying Angry Manjew is a better antagonist than the Homunculis

>>54770095
shit dude, I like FMA way more too but don't be a braindead shill about it, remember one of the biggest parts of anime: it's all trash

>>54770067
Gadzooks! Quit laying the pipe on my dear wife, you scoundrel! I'm the only one who's allowed to butter her biscuits around here!

What is the price formula for metamagic rods? I'm trying to figure what Ascendant Metamagic Rods cost and thinking about buying one if it's not too obnoxiously expensive. But I can't find the formula for pricing the rods.

>>54770112
That's why I read the manga

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>>54770149
Don't you try to weasel out of this with RAW over RAI, faggot

>>54770051
>http://drivethrurpg.com/product/218592/The-Mentalists-Handbook
Here's to hoping it isn't as lame as the Playtest looked. Luckily DDS seems to be somewhat good with taking playtest feedback on SoP handbooks

>>54770121
I'm afraid the dirty whore couldn't resist my elven charm. Better luck with your next wife, I suppose!

>>54770162
>Don't you try to weasel out of this with RAW over RAI
Well excuse me princess, but I thought this was Pathfinder General.

>>54770170
Egads, I should have known it was a filthy tree-lounger who's been putting the sweet talking on my dear, sad, impressionable wife! Mark my words, the next time you will be judged it will be by Pharasma! I'll become a fancy pants, bonafide adventurer just to hunt you dowwwwnnnnn!

>>54770170
Not him, but WHAT elven charm?

How are you expecting to satisfy a COUNTRY WOMAN with that -2 constitution of yours?

>>54770188
It actualy isn't. It's Paizo general