EDH/Commander General /edhg/

Well guys, I finally tilted out of my first game of EDH
>Playing vs Mono-U Galina and Darien
>Galina gets the die roll and plays Sol Ring
>They play Rhystic turn 2
>I delay my turns to play around it, Darien player lets him draw 2 cards on his turn
>I mention that this is dumb and ask that he plays around Study
>He tells me to chill, and while the Galina player has no blocks, he passes the turn with untapped guys
>Galina spends the next 4 turns playing land go and countering anything I play while the Darien player still hasn't attacked at all
Sometimes players are infuriating

>>54750851
>SPOILERS ARE STILL NOW! What do you think?
I like playing hatebears.dek esp in UW so im stoked

>>54750851
Reposting from last thread:
>Still mad that we're getting simic scientist in selesnya for unstable. Should've done communist hippies.

Also the pain of mardu vamps not being spoiled is real. What do when you already have a deck in certain colors but want another in same colors?

Spoilers so far are hilarious, some seem really fun. Can't wait to see the rest

>>54750851

I enjoyed the spoilers, but admit that I'm a little disappointed that we only got cat spoilers today. I hope we see more variety in the coming days.

>>54750945
Better make sure it does something completely different so the cards don't overlap and split the expensive manabase evenly

>>54750870
I feel you bro. I was in a game where some one was playing Atraxa Superfriends and everyone was afraid to lose their creatures to atraxa trying to stop a Dovin Baan ult. I threw everything I had and threatened a boardwipe if no one did anything. Everyone killed me instead and spent the next 40 minutes crying about how Dovin sucked and was making the game lame.

Another time ran into some friend while drinking. They were going to play EDH. Didn't have my deck so I borrowed one of theirs. Got stuck with gay kings. Saw some one wreck the shop the other day with Kangz so I was kind of excited. A few turns in I've seen nothing but hug and the board is totally cluttered with critters. Ask decks owner if there are any wipes or wincons.
>I don't think you understand dude. It's Grouphug man, you aren't supposed to win but help others. Also none of my decks have boardwipes, they make people feel bad.

>>54751113
>I don't think you understand dude. It's Grouphug man, you aren't supposed to win but help others. Also none of my decks have boardwipes, they make people feel bad.
Suggest that he get under the table and blow everyone while they play.

Is this correct?

One Color: (5)
Mono White
Mono Blue
Mono Black
Mono Red
Mono Green

Two Color: (10)
White/Blue = Azorius
White/Black = Orzhov
White/Red = Boros
White/Green = Selesnya
Blue/Black = Dimir
Blue/Red = Izzet
Blue/Green = Simic
Black/Red = Rakdos
Black/Green = Golgari
Red/Green = Gruul

Three Color: (10)
White/Blue/Black = Esper
White/Blue/Red = Jeskai
White/Blue/Green = Bant
White/Black/Red = Mardu
White/Black/Green = Abzan
White/Red/Green = Naya
Blue/Black/Red = Grixis
Blue/Black/Green = Sultai
Blue/Red/Green = Temur
Black/Red/Green = Jund

Four Color: (5)
White/Blue/Black/Red = Artifice
White/Blue/Black/Green = Growth
White/Blue/Red/Green = Altruism
White/Black/Red/Green = Aggression
Blue/Black/Red/Green = Chaos

Five Color: (1)
White/Blue/Black/Red/Green = WUBRG/Rainbow

Colorless (1)

32 deck builds and I have no clue what to fucking play

I like the new Mirri a lot.
But at the same time I just wish they put new art on dueling grounds so I would actually be inclined to look at it.

>>54751113
>none of my decks have boardwipes, they make people feel bad
I suggest you don't associate with this person anymore

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>This flavor text
This card should be red

>>54751221
cool it with the autism

>>54751221
The four colors don't have official names. I've seen Sans/Un X, the Nephilim, and the C16 commander.

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>>54751249
cool it with the anti-autismal remarks

>>54751259
They have official names

Commander 2016 introduced a second cycle of four-colored cards and this time also introduced names and themes for the color combinations: Artifice ({W}{U}{B}{R}), Chaos ({U}{B}{R}{G}), Aggression ({B}{R}{G}{W}), Altruism ({R}{G}{W}{U}) and Growth ({G}{W}{U}{B}).[19]

>>54751259
>Sans x
thats the most common I hear
people also say dark/light + 3 color combination

>>54751275
>official
you dont call esper eternal bargain m8

glad they finished with the shit tribal deck first. now we just have to wait for the good shit.

>>54751316
Ruined the mood anyway

>>54751221
Two color combinations are a great way to start off.
Nothing to fancy and it's easy to focus the deck thematically and the land base isn't likely to fuck you too often.
Tri is where it gets gritty. Way more synergy options the line between themes and goodstuff gets a bit blurry.
Quad colors are fucked thematically and you need to put a lot of focus into your deck and how to balance out the manabase. It takes a lot of effort to make themes work outside of "X goes great with Y because it can do Z, but sometimes I can use B or F instead!"

5 color and colorless comes in very limited forms. Colorless is almost always stax and stasis effects until they ramp out their perverted monstrosities, 5 color is much the same except with much less stasis and much more ramp into many more monstrosoties. Little interaction with the table until you start beating in their faces with your ungodly Progenitus, Sliver Horde or Kozilek and the numerous cards he draws you.

>54745665
>>card triggers only when it's on the battlefield
>checks command zone
Literally useless effect

>>54751275
Those were unofficial design team themes. Artifacts matter, chaos effects, aggro, group hug, and +1/+1 counters.

>>54751310
because its called esper. are you dumb?
the names came out as official. Theres the deck names (Invent Superiority) and the color combo names (Artifice)

>>54751240
Cool, another way to die to Consecrated Sphinx

>>54751373
the point is that decknames =/= offical combination names

>>54751240
>alms collector has better stats than Brimaz

kek fuckin commies are fierce when it comes to cash.

>>54751373
WUBR = Blue Mardu or Grixis White :^)

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>hurr it's easy to cheat with this new card
>mfw: it's a CARD GAME
https://youtu.be/TwFIJyWKs1k
if somone wanted to cheat they would you retards
and if they tried hard enough there is NOTHING you could do about it

>>54751431
>3/4 for 4 with flash
>3/4 for 3 with vigilance and spawns tokens
What are you on about?

>>54751463
its funny but during tarkir standard those were the terms used

>>54751470
This. There is a pokemon tcg crowd at our LGS who do not want to believe there is such thing as cheating at the highest tournaments

>>54751479
>flash is the only thing that alms do
Anon...

>>54751431
Brimaz was king of theros cats they were smaller and less manly than their cross plane cousins but brimaz maybe a time lord cos he wears a snazzy stripped scarf

did you know brimaz still performs quite well in edh?
I am absolutly shocked how many games Ive won since putting him in mono white stax.dek

>>54751490
thats why we still use them instead of using the names on the commander boxes

>>54751617
He's good and hopefully getting reprinted in this set. Vigilance is a really underrated keyword for stax.

>>54751519
You said stats, so I reluctantly included flash.
Comparing these two is like comparing a fucking apple to a cucumber.
They serve conpletely different purposes, one is amazing to play on curve and the other should never be played on curve but can serve you well as not only a draw engine but denies your opponent draw, too, something white in EDH severly lacks.
Brimaz is a card featured in 60 card formats and Tiny Leaders if you're into that, this is a card that will likely find it's way into every monowhite and boros deck possible.

>>54750851
so how do you play that card?
you write the first letter of the chosen player's name on a small ass piece of paper and put it under the card?

what the hell happens if someone takes control of your turn?

>>54751275

Yore, Ink, Dune, Glint and Witch

I will fight you

>>54751847
For clarification you should weite the whole name or enough to clearly tell that person apart, so no one at the table thinks you're bullshiting when you've got an Alex and an Alan at the table.
If someone takes your turn they should be able to look at it like they can look at your morphed cards and activate it accordingly, even though it's not possible to activate on your turn.

>>54751847
>player's
What if someone has hexproof like orbs of warding, can you still choose their name? What if someone removes their hexproof and you reveal it was them targeted all along

>>54751908
I believe so. "Choose" avoids things like shroud and hexproof because its not targeting.

>>54751275
I just say "4 color notBlue" or whatever. I don't mind there being official names but I feel like at 4 colors it's easier to say and remember the one color that's not included rather then remember which 4 are connected to which name.

>>54751908
its not a targeted effect.

it says choose opponent, not target.

hexproof wont work

Stalking Leonin needs hexproof and lose it while the player's name is secret. Otherwise bitches will just doomblade and swing.

>>54751847
"714.4. If information about an object in the game would be visible to the player being controlled, it’s visible to both that player and the controller of the player. "

Pretty sure this means you could see this

>>54751984
if they doomblade stalking leonin, they're trading an answer for a 3-drop, which is actually a good trade for the guy who played leonin

>>54751984
>dies to removal

Here's a scenario
>playan Alesha
>Declare Attackers step
>swing with Smilin' Tranny
>Reanimation trigger on the stack
>Play Dark Rit into Entomb for a Master of Cruelties or some shit
>Use the remaining BB to pay for Alesha's ability
>Get Master out, provide slap
Is this legal? I want to say no, because I think there'd have to be a creature in the graveyard when Alesha's ability triggers in order for the whole thing to resolve

reminder that mirri rivals gaddock teeg in power as a hatebears commander

>>54752047
They are completely different in what they hinder.

>>54752047
>Tutoring up either on turn 3
Why not both?

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Why is this allowed?

>>54752040
Just google it, man.
People played the shit out of him in Kaalia decks when he was introduced.

>>54751384
You're playing white, you'll draw into PtE and/or StP eventually.

>>54752047
Except combat is fucking useless in commander.

>>54752148
Yeah but I tapped out turn 8 to play this.

>>54752136
because we needed a better boundless realms

>>54752136
>Make Angry Omnomnomnath Great Again

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Any secret MLD tech?

>>54752001
>>54751896
y-yeah but information about that cat becomes no longer visible after i've chosen and the card itself doesn't specify a medium to keep track of the information, unlike morph cards that clearly specify the information is there and can be visible at any time by the controller.

>>54752136
Cheaper boundless realms but probably slightly less pay off unless you manage to make something big stick.
Also suddenly makes you the archnemesis of the table if you manage to drop that on curve with a sizable enough creature out.

>>54752192
No.

I need 2 cuts for Neheb, the Eternal is this deck for the potential of having Neheb, Krenko, Samut and Grenzo out at the same time. What should go?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/samut-ft-grenzos-best-hits/

>>54752145
Kaalia's version is different since you can just dump him from the hand and you don't have to pay mana

>>54752193
I don't know a specific rule for it but iirc for conspiracy they said that for official purposes, "secretly" means "write it down on a piece of paper when the effect happens"

>>54752193
I'm too tired to look it up but I think the rulings for taking over a player's turn is that you become privvy to all knowledge available to them.
Despite no medium being chosen the fact remains that there MUST be one.
It's like how they make you reveal cards of specificed types when tutoring them so you can't cheat, it's so you don't have to have a judge sit by you and monitor all your secret shit, hence why they've typically kept it out of the game.

>that new Mirri
Jesus Christ I'm building the shit out of that.

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>>54752136
>>54752197

> unless you manage to make something big stick.

heh

>>54752040
you are correct in saying it is not legal. you need a creature in the grave when alesha's ability goes on the stack, and by that time the entomb is useless. that is unless you have an extra 4 mana and a strionic resonator.

>>54752040
You're correct, you need to chose a target as the ability goes on the stack.

>>54752264
>his playgroup only runs targeted removal
Heh
*drowns you in sorrow*
Nothing personal
*optimizes topdeck*

>>54752268
>>54752279
Thanks fellas

>>54752192
Why not just play Armageddon? The only advantage this has is sacrifice incase someone has indestructible lands, but that should be you since you're playing LD in white.

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>>54752192
Fuck everone right in the pussy

>>54752192
suicide

>>54751761
Vigilance is an underrated keyword in general

>>54752136
Because they already printed Boundless Realms and the condition for this is far frailer.

>>54752222
>instant
>2
What a joke.

>>54752136
If they remove your biggest creature in response, you're fucked.

>>54752366
It's one of the least valuable keywords in the game.

>>54752193
For hidden agenda
702.105b To secretly choose a card name, note that name on a piece of paper kept with the face-down conspiracy card.

This will probably be errated in some form for the new card

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>>54752374
But how are they gonna do that?

>>54752329
The advantage is you're playing 5 color and get to keep 5 lands.

>>54751240
Justice is white, and so is that flavor text and card. Sorry.

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>>54752419
Don't start this, anon.

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>>54752136
>RAMPING INTENSIFIES

Looks like I'm cutting boundless.

My Wife Titania has been getting lots of good cards lately.

>>54752392
All keywords are powerful but many of them have hate cards, especially flying.
Vigilance is a good way to whittle down your opponent without wholly commiting to it and keeping your defenses up.

>>54751240
Egalitarianism is opposed to the individualistic Red philosophy.

>>54751240
>>This flavor text
>This card should be red
White is about the group. Black and red are about the individual. Individual gains versus the group is therefore something white would oppose.

>>54752467
Except combat in MTG is just a removal test, in practice very few formats are influenced by the presence of blockers, and especially not EDH.

>>54752463
Very, very disappointed that Commander anthology didn't foil out the subcommanders.

>>54752516
It's only $130, how do you expect them to make any money if they're foiling out cards?

>>54750851
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

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>>54752136
>laughs in vigor

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What's your favorite magic card?

Mine was this one.

>>54752672
>amulet of vigor
>the dude holding is on his back/side
What did they mean by this?

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I first started playing MTG when Equipment was introduced, made janky mono white Cat Equipment deck, Now I can finally do it again only this time there are more than 2 equipments with equip greater than 4.

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>>54752674
Just finetuning at this point.

How does a Distortion Kozilek deck usually play?

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>>54752745
>Magnetic kitty voltron

White has these races:

>Angels

And that's fucking it. What a boring as fuck color.

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>>54752674
>>54752905
plebians, make way for a best card

>>54753035
>forgetting soldiers and cats and kor and clerics

>>54752369
Why cast instants when I can cast my commander at the end of turns? At least say what I should add or remove, friend.

>>54753035
It's actually
>Humans
>Angels
>Apparently Cats.

>>54751221
Just call the 4 color combinations
Greenless
Redless
Blackless
Blueless
Whiteless

>>54753035

Mediocre bait, see me after class

>>54753035
Kithkin, kor, spirits, soldiers, clerics, knights...

>>54753058
Don't forget kithkin.

>>54753110
>>54753109
>>54753066

Everybody forgetting birds

>>54752192
Is MLD better in White or Red or Boros?

>>54753129
Everybody forgetting cool Kitsunes.

>>54753109
>soldiers, clerics, knights
Those aren't races.

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>>54752674
Don't mind me just winning turn 3.

>>54753151
They're as much a race as Wizards.

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>>54752672

amazing card, won with it using my progenitus walls deck last night.

>>54753181
So not a race.

>>54752136
Because retards needs to play theor 10cmc creatures of they whine.

Whats the most autistic playstle in EDH?
And why is it grouphug?

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>>54752674
There are better ones but still my favourite

>no posts about the axe of many axes
Man you guys must hate fun.

>>54753228
>Not Pillowfort
See me after class

>>54753254
People already posted about it. You're late.

>>54753195
There are admittedly several creatures whose only creature type is Soldier.

>>54751261
cool it with the super autism

>>54752674
>>54752905
>>54753045
>>54753173
>>54753230
Samefag
Enjoy your ban for unrelated topic shitposting

>>54753254
it is making me build an akiri/thrasios deck. also, ya'll might want to pick up your puresteel paladins now.

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>>54753228

Kharador level combo, no fun and no skill, i don't really like people who combo into a win, especially if they tutor for their cards. There are certain instances where it is tolerable but imo it makes games no fun.

>>54753342
>karador level combo
but karador isn't event inherently combo. ghave and breya are far more combo centric than karador.

>>54753228
chaos. people who play radiate on chaos warp should kill themselves.

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>>54753129
Don't forget Griffins.

>>54753228
nah man its pillowfort
>special snowflake syndrome
>don't understand the purpose of attacking
>starting crying when damage comes through
>attempts to target you for the rest of the night when you kill them
>makes deals with others to team up on you
>points out there pet cards and make a big deal about them
>really questionable card sleeve art
>shit taste in waifus
>usually run Oloro, Atraxa or some other gay shit

>>54751316
If that's the shit deck of this cycle, I cant fucking wait for the rest because I was actually impressed with those spoilers.

>>54751884
This, they already had names you plebs.

>>54752161
nice bait

>>54752374
Then you get lands equal to the second biggest, which should at be 3 at least or you need to stop playing fucking green.

>>54753484
You sound like you have a grievance with a very specific pillowfort player.

>>54753484
Show me on the doll where derevi touched you

>>54753254
seems fucking nuts in my artifact aggro deck.
infinite bonesplitters? yes please

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>>54753340
Whoa

Announcing reports is a rule violation

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>yfw you have an unlimited mana combo but you only use it to capsize everyones board with no wincon because you dont have to be anywhere for the next 2 hours

>>54753496
>>54753484

Salty anon here; I can understand a propaganda effect here or there, but every single pillowfort player I have ran into are just annoying. The take forever with their turns, run really lame strategies,they are those annoying American Dr. Who fans and they get upset with any strategy that doesn't start beyond turn 8. I like fast magic games, and pillowfort players don't offer anything interesting.

>built 95% tuned Ghave combo deck
>It's incredibly boring and awkward to play, either you combo out of nowhere and everyone groans or you do nothing with a million noncreature spells
If I were to take it apart, what can I build? I mean I'm running fetches and shocks, crypt, doubling season, basically anything you could want, and I'm very easy going.

What I'd really like is something stompy that grinds out value but I think I've forgotten how to have fun. All I can think of is Jarad combo and Anefeza hatebears, but I know no one wants to play that.

Just stumbled across a Kolaghan's Command I completely forgot I owned. Is it worth a slot in EDH?

>>54751221
ceta
raka
dega
necra
ana
dune-brood
glint-eye
ink-treader
witch-maw
yore-tiller

kids these days

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/07-08-17-tan-edh/

h8 r8 & denigr8

build this in paper with stuff i had in boxes

>>54753650

Real meh effects, cheap and you get two, but I wouldnt take it.

>>54753650
There's better, cheaper cmc incidental artifact removal.

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>>54753595
Nowhere in his post did he say he reported anyone, but im sure he appreciated the (you)
>pic related

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>>54753648
>Anefeza hatebears

I have a $120 anafenza combo hate deck just to counter my friends $1300 karadoot deck....it was well worth it. I play it every time to counter his deck. He hasn't won a game with it in the 5 months he has had it. (I am very anti combo, makes games end to quick and they are no fun and no skill).

>>54753674
Nobody ever said Raka.

>>54753650
I like it, but its better served in a 60 card environment

>>54753484
I love killing pillowcucks with infinites early. No amount of propaganda effects can save you now you feather stuffed cuck.

>>54753705
Care to give me a brief summary on how your deck works?

Some combos are boring, particularly if your whole game plan is combo, but accidentally using whip of erebos on tree of predition with wound reflection on the field is just hilarious.

>>54753719
usa and variants are also acceptable, good catch

>>54753637
>they are those annoying American Dr. Who fans

You keep having really weirdly specific things you're upset about.

>>54753637
>>54753820
>they are those annoying American Dr. Who
He isn't wrong.

>>54753637
>"b-but they stole my fandom!"

>>54753767

Not gonna lie, I net decked it, here it is http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/anafenza-hates-meren/

I also would recommend a Zur deck, probably more so than anafenza, i have another friend who has zur and we both shut our friend down in 15 mins and we both scoop and start another game because both decks aren't made to finish (you might be able to build it to also finish, idk) and things would get boring really fast. I totally understand spite-fucking your friend for building combo dedicated deck(s), especially if they drop around 1k to build one.

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>>54753894

What are the best waifu commanders?

>>54753936
>I have a $120 anafenza combo hate deck
>netdecked it
>links a $300+ deck
That hole keeps getting deeper

>>54753954
No

>>54753378

He's talking about the really easy boonweaver combo usually played with karador in the command zone for the colors and cuz you can cast boonweaver from the yard that way, so entomb becomes another Demonic Tutor for the combo essentially

>>54753954
there aren't that many good ones

freyalise is decent though

>>54753954
kemba :3

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>>54753954
Radha.

>>54753628

How does infinite mana capsize not count as a wincon?

>>54753954
Kalemne

>>54754069
You don' don't DO anything else and expect everyone to scoop.

>>54753936
I have a foil zur, I bet it could work pretty well. What do you like and what do you dislike about that deck? I could care less how much it costs.

>>54754069
same way obliterate isn't a wincon

>>54753954
Elesh Norn is fucking hot

>>54754089

Is there 0 creatures in the deck including the commander? Is there no way to shuffle your gy into library (so that everybody else gets milled first)?

Only if you build a joke deck expressly for the purpose of having infinite mana capsize not be a wincon is this possible

Alright fellas, I'm building Ramos as Charms.dec

What are some good finishers, besides Ramos? In case he gets removed

>>54754069
Force of will.

>>54754171

So it's a joke deck?

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>>54753954
>tfw your two favorites are boros
Her and Flip Avacyn.
I run them in Kaalia, but that's probably it.

>>54753954
Titania

>>54754121

That seems very different. You cast obliterate cool, next turn I start over rebuilding.

If you have infinite mana capsize then anything I play will be bounced.

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>>54753954

>>54753954

Hannah

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hanna-ships-waifu/

>>54753981
I can get all those cards for half the tcg price.

>>54753954
Flip avacyn, because avacyn makes my wingle dingle pingle swell up.

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>>54753981

>not already having cards....

>>54754201
No you just make it so nobody else can play the game till they rage quit, do you even edh?

A joke deck would be my mono black maralen where I tutor up endrek and assault suit so every game is a draw and nobody can win a game im in

>>54754260
What exactly is your infinite mana combo that it cannot be interrupted in any way, even when it's not your turn?

>>54754289
How does Endrek Sahr does make every game a draw?

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Wanting to put together some Slivers, helmed by pic related. Am I making a huge mistake not going for one of the other three, or can I wreck plenty of face with the Legion?

>>54754293

If you had a way to stop the infinite mana they wouldn't have infinite mana....

>>54753954
Jhoira is 2qt.

>>54751470
>I will make a point of how cheating is easy in this card game
>I'll post this video of a world recognized manipulator of cards
>Surely this will convince everyone

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>>54754269
>tfw one of your old decklists gets posted
I never expected to see that floating around here.

>>54754381

>Pornman

classy

>>54754321
>Endrek triggers. When the trigger goes to resolve, you won’t be able to sacrifice him, so nothing will happen.
>Then, since there’s no longer a copy of the state trigger on the stack, it’ll trigger again.
>And again.
>And again.
You announce each trigger manually till the store closes

>>54754321
Only with Assault Suit. He can't be sacrificed, but when you control seven or more Thrulls you sac him. Since "can't" overrides "can" in Magic, you create an infinite loop where Sahr's sac clause constantly triggers but can't be resolved, and the game is a draw

>friends both built Neheb
>hyping him to fuck and back, talking about how scary he is
>having to drag Hidetsugu out of retirement to show them how the OG EDH burn deck plays
They gon' learn

>>54754350
If you do nothing with your infinite mana then they get a chance to play. Land, Naturalize, Land, Dark Ritual, Hero's Downfall.

>>54754338
Sliver Legion is solid. Just make sure you have very fast mana. You got to be extremely fast with him. No tapped lands, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Chromatic, and Signets are a must, also Wheels to go even faster

>>54754478
>>54754478

Don't forget to get some lifelink, shit is cash!

>>54754501

They can just capsize whatever thing you target and do it again

>>54754362
Never played Jhoira but her Future Sight art makes me want to, with that sulky look and all.
Is she worth it/fun to play?

>>54754512
I got a Basilisk Collar and Loxodon Warhammer, don't worry

>>54754522
So I ask again, what is your infinite mana combo that cannot be interrupted ever? Are you somehow keeping all your mana in your mana pool between phases? Do you have a Leyline of Anticipation/Vedalken Orrery out in addition to whatever else? This wincon of yours doesn't seem like it's made you win so much as made you irritating.

>>54754530
In 1v1 yes, in multiplayer no

>get your deck out of the box
>put jhiora in the command zone and shuffle
>draw cards
>everyone else targets everything you try to do and remove you from the game as fast as possible
>now its a 3 player game
>wonder if you packed your modern or standard deck because you wont get to play edh for at least another hour

This is your experience in multiplayer

>>54754571

It's not my wincon, but just take paradox engine + Mana rocks + capsize for instance, if you don't want to scoop to that, fine, but the normal thing to do would be to save time by scooping

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>>54753628
>>54754571
Not sure you actually read the first post, the guy said he does it with no wincon, yet you are trying to say plz gib wincon even after it was stated there is none you answered your own question

>>54754530
Well, I guess you can do all kind of shenanigans playing fatass monsters without paying their mana cost, or you can actually time the triggering of "comes into play" abilities together by adding/removing time counters as needed.

Also Jhoira is one of the few characters from MtG with an official-ish rule34.

>>54754634
Except there's >>54754069 this chucklefuck who thinks that it is.

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when will they fix gatherer

comments have been dead for what, 3 years?

>>54754642
>with an official-ish rule34.
really?

>>54754662
>when will they fix gatherer
Never. Less shit for them to maintain online

>>54754685
they still have the banner for aether revolt up
i'm sort of surprised they've even bothered to put the new sets up

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I'll be honest I knew cat tribal was going to be shit but damned if I don't like traverse the outlands. Will just buy the single of it and cats can fuck off for all I care

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>>54754684
IIRC, it was made by an official MtG artist,
or maybe I got it mixed with the guy who drew the LilianaXChandra yuri pic.

>>54754774
nice edgy opinion man, thanks for sharing

>>54754774
i still don't care that they're cats but at least the cards are good
the new mirri is surprisingly controly for selesnya though. i know half of that is white but I don't usually think of this kind of stuff in selesnya

Anyone ever see or play Liliana Reanimator? Tips and tricks?

>>54754798
>its edgy to hate a shitty tribal with fuckall support
Quality post you got there dumbass

>>54753954
>tfw Anafenza is not that good unless you wanna spend a lot of $

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>>54754812

>>54754819
It's edgy to hate things that are not aimed at, or relevant to, (you).

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>>54754835
well you've got me there

>>54754853
Is this not a thread to discuss EDH and the spoilers that come of it? Didn't mean to trigger your autism button but cats are bottom of the barrel right now

>>54754654
>>54754634

You guys are just being pedantic about the word wincon, infinite mana capsize is a perfectly good wincon for any normal deck. The guy i was originally replying to made a joke deck that cant attack with their commander or something (maybe teferi?) or can't win by decking the opponent for some reason and that's fine

>>54754685

God, fuck them. Player ratings for new cards are 5 stars by default. I once enjoyed searching for cards based on player ratings but now the results are complete bullshit.

>>54754895
I've been wanting to say this, but couldn't be bothered to type it out for someone who seemed like an obvious troll. This anon knows whats up though.

>>54754935
^this
me too man, upboated haha lol

>>54754069

Some fuckhead bouncing the target. My salt was real.

>>54754991

Well answering a wincon doesn't make it not a wincon, but i am reminded now of the fact that you can scoop in response to capsize and save the other players at the table, so I guess it's not a great wincon even if you have Counterspell backup

>>54754895
>infinite mana capsize

I'm completely retarded so please explain to me what that is.

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>>54755084
you could just look up the card

with infinite mana it returns everything to their owner's hand

This general has gone to shit, what happened.

>>54755084
You make infinite blue and/or colorless mana, and cast Capsize with Buyback to get rid of everyone's cards.
>>54755110
Cats.

>>54752745
Did you perhaps build a grixis arcbound deck in mirrodin? Did you leave all of your cards with your mom when you went away to college? Is your name Eben?

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>>54752674
Super obnoxious to play against, but god damn is it fun.

>>54750851
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/4f4gz

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54753954
Breya

>>54751940
Yeah, I just call them 4c sans ____. Any other naming is autistic.

What is your favorite 4c combination?

Mine is 4c sans Green. Control Master-race, Timmy fags BTFO!

>>54752136
Hello Azusa fatties.

>>54754338
You should buy Sliver Queen just because she is on the reserved list and undervalued.

>>54753674
Nobody liked ceta, raka, dega, necra, or ana. Stop being a hipster.

>>54754069
He capsizes himself too.

>>54754289
Only if you can get it before I play Life and Limb and tutor Sporemound onto the field.

>Kiki-Jiki can copy Acidic Slime to destroy more lands
>Kiki-Jiki can copy Craterhoof causing each copy to go off
>Kiki-Jiki can abuse every single etb card

How's this not been banished to the shadow realm by the no fun police yet?

>>54755765
Because flicker effects do it just as well. Deadeye Navigator tends to do it better.

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>>54755765
Show me on the doll where the goblins touched you.

>>54755808
I'm not complaining I'm just wondering why people don't bitch about this kind of thing. Stupid shit like this is why I love EDH.

>>54755765
it's red. literally one of the 3 ways to do anything in red.

>>54755765
Because there's a ton of shit that shuts Kiki down

>>54755692
Have we finally reached the Minus Realm?
Beyond the "Making edh unfun for everyone on the table", true Enlightenment: "Preventing everyone from playing, including yourself".
Now I truly see,
Take me up.

>>54755909
>Beyond the "Making edh unfun for everyone on the table", true Enlightenment: "Preventing everyone from playing, including yourself".
You know red's got a lot of cards like obliterate yes

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>>54755909

>>54755943
Has anyone tried playing this in vintage or legacy? It's legal, apparently.

>>54755933
>>54755943
But that's ending the game, Anon was creating a dystopian utopia were no one gets to play anything, no matter how hard they try.
Lifes on the line, no one lives the table, not even the original pilot of the deck is in control.
Only capsize, as far as the stack can see.

>>54755943
How does this work with Solemnity?

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>>54756076
No. Since it triggers when the counter is removed.

>>54756076
Fizzles to shit since you can't place the original two counters on it when Solemnity is already on the field.

>>54756076
>When you remove the last intervention counter from Divine Intervention, the game is a draw.
>On the other hand, if the last intervention counter is removed as a result of a Clockspinning another player controls, the ability won’t trigger (and won’t ever be able to).
Fizzles. The counters have to be put on and you, specifically, have to be the one to remove them.

>>54756076
The "the game is a draw" ability is a trigger. You go into the upkeep with no counters on Divine Intervention, remove no counters, and it never triggers.

>>54755943
vampire hexmage works with this right

>>54756207
Yes, so long as it's your Vampire Hexmage.

>>54751221
>White/Blue/Black/Red = Artifice
>White/Blue/Black/Green = Growth
>White/Blue/Red/Green = Altruism
>White/Black/Red/Green = Aggression
>Blue/Black/Red/Green = Chaos
what in the name of fuck

>>54756263

Those are the themes of each of the 4 color decks, that anon was thinking they became official names for the color combos

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I have a few questions for you guys:

>1
Do you think it is worth preordering any of the C17 precons? Dragon deck has terrible bulk rares, but it could surprise us with a solid mana base, and cats could feature some worthwhile equipments.

>2
What is wrong with the dragon commander art? They look like over-designed pokemon cards or mega evolution digimon.

>3
Anyone else think O-Kagachi is the worst flavor failure since Ludevic?

>>54756304
1. Yes, pre-ording Wizards as soon as I can. I'm hoping for more effects that give my Wizards extra abilities. Also hoping for big name lore characters. Cats kind of caught my interest with their equipment subtheme.
2. Not quite sure what you mean. It looks like a big dragon.
3. It's sort of a miss. It gets the revenge part, but it's lacking in scale. Ludevic is still a bigger fuckup because he lacks anything having to do with his lore figure.

>>54756304
1: Preordered and prepaid. Even if the cards themselves are so so I'm a collector as well as a player.
2: I think you're exaggerating
3: Yeah, it's a huge disappointment.

>>54756348

If you are European, you can get them at magiccardmarket. they are 25eu a piece and the cats are at 22.

>>54756345

I don't think wasitora looks over designed, none of them have great art but that's just magic in 2017 for you, very little good art these days

Idk about o-kagachi's flavor, like would you have wanted him to exile humans and recur spirits or something? What I do know is that the card is awful

>>54756345
Selesnya one i guess, since that's the most "Green" ones.

They don't.

Yes, but at least it's not as bad as Ludevic. Can't wait to see how bad daddy vamp turns out to be.

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He should have been Boros

>>54756345
O-Kagachi triggers the fuck out of me every time I see it. This is my karma for laughing at the Ludevicfags when C16 dropped though.

>>54756521
too bad nerd

>>54756521
Cats and Kor are the equipment matters tribes. Cats are GW while Kor are monoW. Boros never stood a chance.

>>54754662
Who gives a fuck about Gatherer? Magiccards.info is radically better.

>>54756578
i usually just go there out of habit

>>54756536
O-Kagachi is infinitley better than Ludevic, though. As a fan of both I can say that at least O-Kagachi has some damn connection between his flavor and his mechanics: He's a goddamn spirit, he exacts revenge, he can't have indestructible because that (which was) taken... He's badly underpowered and kinda flat but he is kinda what they would have printed back in Kamigawa, it's disappointing but serviceable. Ludevic is a joke, blatantly his name and face pasted on a card that they don't belong on.

>>54756626
>He's shit because kamigawa was shit
I actually think maro would use this excuse.

>>54756521
Agreed. There is nothing about this card that is green.
>>54756570
All the other cats that care about equipment are mono-white at least.

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>ordered parts for Alesha, told my group
>they're psyched because I rarely run nontoken creature decks
>tfw built it to shred their hands and board presence with the likes of Tidehollow Sculler and Fiend Hunter effects

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>>54756345


it would be hard to make O-Kagachi for the people that actually care about him. He was too powerful to be a creature card, so it would either be underpowered (like it is now) or so overcosted and clunky no one would play it.

It would be similar, if they decided to make an Urza planeswalker.

I think a good solution would be to make a pre-war O-kagachi. Make it small and insignificant and have the flavor shows how hate and revenge can spiral out of control. Something like pic related.

>>54756640
Then you're stupid, because of course he wouldn't. Do you seriously think "X product fucking blew shit, that's why this other card that we just printed does the same" would fly from a guy even tangentially related to marketing? He'd say something like, "the card was made to appeal to the people who really enjoy Kamigawa and place less of a priority on powerlevel" or something.

>>54756626
>>54756640
>What they would have printed back in Kamigawa

This is so accurate it hurts.

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>>54756345
>3
Yes. O-Kagachi is the first and strongest Kami. You'd expect him to do at LEAST something interesting, but no. We get this poorly designed card that hardly dissuades attacking or something? What the fuck?

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>>54756408
>Yes, but at least it's not as bad as Ludevic

It's worse imo. Ludevic was a somewhat heavily mentioned but not dominant background figure in Innistrad. O-kagachi is one of the biggest "oh shit" monsters in MTG history, and completely dominates his entire realm. He isn't even the biggest legendary Kamigawa spirit P/T wise.

Mechanically, the card is PISS weak.
>No haste for instant retaliation after some fuck attacks you
>No protection from removal whatsoever
>6/6 body for an INSANE casting cost, who fucking cares
>Can't exile lands, because god forbid I be able to hit the permanent type of my choice while jumping through flaming hoops and simultaneously filing my taxes
>LITERALLY DOES NOTHING BUT BEAT INEFFICIENTLY IF YOUR OPPONENTS DON'T ATTACK. JESUS FUCK IT COULD AT LEAST TRIGGER OFF DAMAGE

Oh fuck now I've done it. I've worked myself into another rage!

>>54756683
Nigga in lore ate a fucking part of the world and here he can't block a fucking wurmcoil

>>54756345
Ramos looks rad as fuck so I'm pretty amped about that guy later down the road

Getting the Grixis deck though, my group usually grabs one of each. Last year I got Yidris and now they hate when I play it because I took a 25 minute turn that milled them all out

>>54755571
Is sliver hate still alive and well? I really want to build her but im on the edge about pulling the trigger.

>>54756626
What I wanted out of Ludevic was some sort of build your own monster, where when he comes in he makes a token that you can then customize by putting different mana into it.

>>54756521
>sigaurdas aid on a hammer
Yes please

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>>54756792
I think the biggest lesson is that the people in charge of the commander products need to never again be given the green light on a hyped character that doesn't yet have an existing card.

>mfw they make the first cards for Urza and Yawgmoth (Blind Seer doesn't count)

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>>54756905
Its my biggest fear that in the next few days they're going to announce some god awful Urza card for the wizard deck.

>>54756679
>Do you seriously think "X product fucking blew shit, that's why this other card that we just printed does the same" would fly from a guy even tangentially related to marketing?
That's what he said about the 4-color commanders.
"We told you guys 4-color is shit, now you're stuck with it".

>>54756792
I feel like that would have been too close to Stitcher Geralf, but it would have been better than what we got.

but Heck, if you pasted Ludevic's name, art, and typeline over Yidris it would feel more like Ludevic because you could take the cascade as leaps and bounds of mad inspiration. This is the guy who dreams about a robot wolf and then makes that dream a reality, why the fuck does he give people cards for hurting anyone but you?

>>54756927
My biggest fear is them making prophet of kruphix 2 and everyone and their fucking brother is playing urza/yawg until he gets banned.

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>>54752462
Let's go brah.

>>54757024
>Doesn't stop a cycled decree from killing Dosan

You lose, good sir.

>>54752462
>>54757024
There was nothing to start, cycling decree of pain only gives -2/-2 and if that kills your "biggest creature" it was a shitty creature.

>>54751113

Kinda curious about the WE deck you first mentioned the blew out the table. What did it run?

>>54757024
Indestructible doesnt stop -X/-X from killing dumbass

>>54757066
No no it's Dosan we're talking about here.

>>54757060
Well it kills Dosan so you obviously follow up with a real removal spell afterwards.

>>54752674

So 3WW
Legendary Creature - Angel
When ~ etb, sac a legendary angel
Deals double commander damage.
Players can't cast nonwhite spells.
8/8
?

>>54757089
Finally, a worthy monowhite commander.

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nyaa~ nyaa~

>>54755765
>2RRR
>2/2

>>54757144
Marrow-Gnawer BTFO

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>>54756905

>>54756019
Just play Null Rod with Mycosynth Lattice. Nobody gets to generate mana unless they have a Spirit Guide or Crumbling Vestiges.

>>54757195
Looks about right.

>>54757195
y black tho

>>54757218
It's debated between the creators of Magic that Urza would either be Grixis or Esper.

>>54757218
Urza was an incredibly selfish and egotistical twat. The only reason he wasn't the villain was because he was pissed off at somebody worse than him.

>>54757218

To put it into the wizard precon.

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>>54757230
I heard that they said Urza would have to be all 5 colors.

>>54757243
>Urza
>Green

>>54757089
This looks like a bad avacyn

>>54757243
Urza isn't green though. He is probably as anti-green as a character can be except for Yawgmoth who is a living blob of black mana.

>>54757243
Knowledge of green magic doesnt make you green, see bolas.

>>54757238
>worse
Not worse, just lucky/faster. Urza would have done the same thing as Yawgamoth if he were given the opportunity.

>>54757272
>beats Teferi in a time duel
>beats Jace in a mind duel
>beats Tezzeret like he's the man's pimp
Punking blue mages might as well be Bolas's job.

>>54757299
Is there anyone Bolas CAN'T beat?

>>54757299
But he can't do shit against blue archers.

>>54757314
Bolas has short term lost to Ajani, who fucked him over on Alara, mid term to Tetsuo, who killed that fucker dead (he got better), and long term to Ugin, who managed to get Sarkhan away from Bolas's influence and have himself rezzed.

Really he's like the perfect antidote for the blue planeswalkers, who are all incredibly confident in the power of their mind over matter. Problem is Bolas's is stronger.

New thread!

>>54757359
>>54757359
>>54757359
>>54757359

>>54757314
The only characters right now that are anywhere near his powerlevel are Ugin and maybe Karn.

>>54757319
He was a grixis mage you stinky fuck.

>>54756293
>>54756263

I think it works.

>>54756978

>legendary creature - human wizard
>untap all non-land permanents you control during each other player's untap step
>whenever you untap a permanent you control each opponent loses 1 life

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What are the best combo cards with splinter twin in mardu? I'm trying to get as much redundancy as possible, and lack of blue sucks.

>>54756368
>>54756368
American, so the only way I can pre-order is by getting all of them. Does magiccardmarket do international shipping?

>>54757230
Didn't Serra literally say that Urza was white mana though? I mean, even Urza confirmed he was white mana to Xantcha.

>>54759956
>anafenza
>narset
>no sydri

You have some shit tier taste in waifus

>>54757230
>>54759692
All but green if i recall correctly.
>>54753954
Anafenza, Jhoira, Radha, Hannah, original Marchesa, Teysa, Narset, Gisa, Ashling, Latulla, Azusa(gitrog), Azami, Fumiko(kazuul), Ink-Eyes if you're a filthy furry, etc...

>>54759996
>All but green if i recall correctly.
No, I mean she literally said "You are white mana based" or something.

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>>54759991
Indeed, just wenbt with what i remembered. Not my personal tastes.
Otherwise i'd probably just left Fumiko, who glue the opponent to her ass without mercy.
Sorry about the delete, my autism was tingling.

>>54760011
Serra is whitesexual, so I'm not sure it's really that relevant, especially with how fucked in the head Urza was. And i definitely cannot imagine Urza with not at least some blue in him, considering how bluesexual the author are/were.

How do you guys feel about alters? Not garbage like the fizz one that gets posted here but something that likens to the original art

>>54760037
If it's creative and well done enough, then cool i guess.

>>54752463
you fool
play traverse the out lands
THEN play boundless realms