>While most conventions have a practice of allowing prop weaponry

>>54678923
Because a heavily armed crazy man walked into the Phoenix Comic-Con and no one blinked at first because he didn't look out of place.

>>54678923
Can't you slap some orange tape or something on the props, to show they're safe? Ruins the look, but better than losing the props.

Or get a more stringent security. Costly and a hassel, but if real weapons are a serious threat, take action against them specifically - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and ruin the reason people come to the hobby by messing with the costumes.

>>54679060
What's stopping someone from putting orange tape on a real gun?

And the problem is most smaller cons are running on a pretty tight budget so they can't afford to search everyone.

>>54679090
So if they aren't gonna search me, why wouldn't I just hide my real guns that I want to use to shoot people? Sure, I can't take in an assault rifle, but a giant foam bolter that's clearly not a weapon is gonna get taken away and my pistols aren't.

>>54679060
Weapons are not a serious threat statistically speaking, but it's not hard to imagine someone out of the millions of people might get some crazy idea to try something at one of the larger gatherings. And then of course everyone would get supper butthurt and cry about it for ages.

>>54679090
Security is more a token measure than anything, if someone actually wants to get something into one of these places, even with "good" security, it's not hard to outwit the glorified mall cops who typically are hired to fill out security positions that can't be filled with someone marginally more competent(worked as a security guard myself, we barely get any training for that sort of thing and most of the guys on the job aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) . Smaller cons also have less to worry about in general since they are less visible and thus less likely to attract the sorts of people who would potentially be the ones trying something.

>>54678923
>>54679060

>Conventions not running weapons check.

Most of the larger cons in the Great White North run a props/weapons check. They look it over and tag it if its a pass. If its not, too bad so sad, but you can't enter the con.

Admittedly this probably wouldnt have stopped >>54678986, but it would have been better than nothing at all.

>>54678923
I mean it's kind of stupid and games are violent, as is most of our entertainment, so it does hurt your ability to cosplay but I mean this

>>54678986

did happen, so I can see why they'd be twitchy.

>>54678923
Dont go to those cons.
>thread

>>54678923
Sick sources bro really boggles my noggin we gotta fight back against the SJW and evil women invading our safe space baka desu famalam

>>54678986
And yet, nobody thinks to restrict his ability to buy the guns...

>>54679765
Are you retarded or just pretending to be retarded?

>>54679816
I think he's genuinely retarded.

>>54679765
SHALL

>>54679765
Plenty of people do. But people can still buy guns illegally, or keep guns they bought before the gun ban, so security checks would still be needed and banning guns wouldn't really do anything.

>>54679901
NOT

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>>54679938
PASS

>>54679816
There's very little difference at this point. Any retarded behavior, authentic or not, attracts an equal but opposite retarded reaction.

>>54679949
GO, NOR COLLECT $200

>>54679908
That's why you combine gun registration/gun licenses with an improvement of mental healthcare, ensuring that the people crazy enough to buy a black market gun because they MUST KILL MONTE COOK BECAUSE HE IS AN AGENT FROM THE REPTILIANS don't run around in the wild but are locked up and permanently zoning out from being pumped full of anti-psychotics.

>>54679816
> People buy guns and shoot lots of people with them
> over and over and over and over again
> Children
> Cosplayers
> adults
> Police
> Nobody thinks to restrict the guns.
> No, better hand-wring about it and do nothing.

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>>54680052
>Thinking someone who already doesn't obey laws will obey a new law to stop him from getting guns

>>54680014
>mental healthcare

Mental healthcare doesn't really exist.
You either drug em' and hope for the best--drug side-effects make people murderous sometimes.
Or you throw them into an asylum where, deprived of meaningful human contact, they get crazier by the day.
A third option exists in "counselling", but this is very expensive and doesn't really do anything.

>>54680052
Yeah, he's retarded.

>>54680052

When the invasion comes, people will be able to fight back. Semi-regular rampages in the meantime are a small price to pay.

>>54680070
>implying socially retarded autistic faggots have the social skills and intelligence required to acquire black market guns

If they can't even communicate with their mother, they sure as hell can't fucking buy a piece off Downtown Tony.

>>54680072

>A third option exists in "counselling", but this is very expensive and doesn't really do anything.

Psychological help does a shit tonne to help people.

>>54680070
This is kind of a wank.

Obviously the majority of gun crimes are black on black or other regular street crimes, but essentially all mass shooters have obeyed every law up until the very moment they start shooting.

Sure, restricting access to fire arms isn't gonna stop niggers from shooting niggers because they're getting guns illegally to begin with but it is gonna stop mass shooters. Look at Australia. You're not gonna stop everyone dying, but you are gonna stop at least some. A handful of human lives are at least worth that much right?

>>54680052
People have killed each other with their bare hands since the dawn of history. Why don't we chop off everyone's hands?

>>54680104
Then how'd this guy in Phoenix do it? The Sandy Hook shooter stole guns from his parents, and a dude shot some firefighters with stolen guns where I'm from a few years back, when someone really wants it, they'll do it

>>54680052
>People buy fatty food and have heart attacks
>over and over and over and over again
>Children
>Cosplayers
>adults
>Police
>nobody thinks to restrict food
>No, better to hand-ring about it and do nothing

Statistically burgers kill more people than mad gunmen in burgerland.

>>54680105
>he bought the "counseling" meme

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>>54680123
Yeah, but at the same time, I'd rather keep my piece, as I've had to use it to not be raped. I'm a 4'9 girl, and having an equalizer is pretty alright.

>>54680123
>A handful of human lives are at least worth that much right?
Nope.

>>54680105
Literally disproved by science.

>>54680105
It's all a scam. Nobody ever actually recovers from their mental health problems.

>>54680123
A vast majority of mass shooters in the US have been liberals, too. Should we ban liberals from having guns? Nah.

>>54680146
If we want to play the utilitarian game of greater or lesser suffering overall, there's is statistical proof that more people are killed or wounded accidentally by their own firearms than ever have to use them to defend themselves.

I like guns. I own guns. But I also accept the fact that having dangerous concealable shit floating around that people generally don't take seriously enough is kind of a safety hazard.

> cosplayers getting nervous and twitchy.

Hold the fucking press.

>>54678923
Is that supposed to be a muslim SoB?

The fuck is this towelhead bullshit?

>>54680123
Just look at Europe. They banned guns and now they have trucks driving at full speed into crowds. With more casualties than an average mass shooting.

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>>54680183
Have you ever seen a nun?

Also pic related.

>>54680198
That's a problem with Muslims, not with guns. I never said we shouldn't outlaw Islam or put them in camps, because I seriously think we should.

Do you want Muslims to have guns?

>>54680183
Anon, do you have a stroke?

>>54680180
Could you give me some links on that?

>>54680145
>he bought the "counseling doesn't work" meme

>>54680180
Only if you factor in suicide, which is questionable since someone intent on killing themselves would do so without a gun as well.

>>54680223
No, but I'd like a gun to defend myself from Ah'bed and co

>>54680052
Oh, yeah why didn't anyone think of that. Let's just put a law in place that says "don't sell guns to bad people" that will clearly solve everything.

I mean, of course no one has to think of the competing notions of liberty and the role of the state which are contested within the population and ought not to be decided based on nothing but your opinion on statistical anomalies, nor the actual logistics of enforcing such a ban, or about how it would be largely ineffectual due to the self correcting nature of markets both illicit and otherwise and the current availability of guns, or the fact that to be effective in preventing these rare outlier cases the system would have to be nearly entirely pervasive and involve massive cost both social and economic as the only real way to create something which would effectively do anything about said outlier cases would involve massive governmental surveillance or other compromises about what we generally stand for as a society.

But sure anon, let's just say "restrict sales!" because that way you can feel like you have a valid opinion which is applicable to the real world and not you just talking out of your ass based on gut emotional responses.

>>54680198
>They banned guns
Fuck off retard. Sweden has more guns than your average American state. France is loaded with guns.

>>54680223
>Muslims
And what prevents Jack "Shadow the Hedgehog" O'Neill from buying a used truck and driving it into his high school graduation ceremony? What prevents some /r9k/ from hitting and running every woman he sees with his car? Why do you think that banning guns will prevent random acts of terror from lone mentally unstable actors?

>>54680270
*cough-cough* Airstrip One...

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>>54680198

>Europe banned guns

Why do the people with no knowledge always talk the loudest.

>>54680275
You don't need to ban guns.
You just need to ban mentally ill, depressed, autistic and other abnormal people from owning guns.

>>54678923
>guns are murdercocks!
>I kno how about we tell people not to bring guns
>wow so true problem solved
>Crazy terrorist Akmed would never think to bring a gun to a """Gun Free""" zone

Liberal LogicTM

>>54680270
>>54680306
Well that just means that there is something fundamentally wrong with Americans that is not going to be fixed by banning guns.

>>54680306

Yeah, Aus and the UK are generally very focused on restricting easily concealed weapons. Hunting weapons are still all over the place as most people don't rob places with a longarm.

>>54680123
Australia has banned some Nerf guns and is considering banning more versions of them

>>54680341
>You just need to ban mentally ill, depressed, autistic and other abnormal people from owning guns.
>b-b-but muh differently able
And how are you going to test for that?

>>54680246
It doesn't though. I'm sorry but the world isn't a nice place where talking can solve everything. People get born fucked up, or predisposed to being fucked up and you can't just unfuck them with some nice words. Counseling only really works it's being used on people who are only socially fucked up, otherwise it works about as well as a placebo.

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>>54680341
>We just need to ban people I see as undesirable from being able to defend themselves
Nice try tyrant, come for my guns and I'll give em to you one round at a time.

>>54680198
my country has only banned full automatic military weapons (such as heavy machine guns, light machine guns and autocannons) while semi autos etc are allowed (like semi auto pistols, bolt actions, assault rifles, AT guns and mortars)

fucking american libtards are the epitome of ignorance

>>54680130
There are scales of "really wants it". Regulating civilian ownership is a way of moving "if he really wants a gun he'll have to go in mommy's bedroom and take the key from her jewelry case" or "if he really wants a gun he'll go see Downtown Tony who has 15 military-grade pieces that came extra when his boys stole a TV upstate" to "if he really wants a gun he will need to find and contact international smugglers, or knock over a Guard armory unarmed".

>>54680343
Yeah, Americans need to fucking ban mentally ill fuckups from getting near guns.

Fuck off /k/. The vast majority of people actually want bare minimum safety standards enforced.

>>54680450
>Yeah, Americans need to fucking ban mentally ill fuckups from getting near guns.
They already run background checks with all firearm sales.

>>54680452
I'm /k/ AS FUCK and I fucking want all those retarded schizos and autists and other mental fuckups away from guns.

Because if those fucking retards don't fucking get gun restrictions soon, WE ALL WILL GET GUN RESTRICTIONS.

>>54680444
You should motherfucking get gassed schizofreak.

>>54680098
Who do you think is going to invade Clapistan, exactly?
The only people I can think of are the Clapistani government, and I'm not sure if you realize this but the US military has been training for urban guerilla warfare for longer than I've been alive.
That, and the surveillance state is already aware of 4chan, so it wouldn't surprise me if they just dronestrike everyone from /k/

>>54680146
Get a taser.

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>>54680341
>"surely the powers at be won't find me lacking!"
>he shouts as he posts on 4chan

>>54680477
>I'm /k/ AS FUCK
>Wants to infringe on my right to bear arms
Fuck off you fucking lying cunt.

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>>54680477
I'm not even pro-gun and this is the worst false flagging I have ever seen.

>>54680512
I don't give a fuck. Take your fucking meds, you fucking waste of human flesh.

>>54680275
sounds like roasties and chads get what they deserve, what's the problem here?

This is your daily reminder that anyone can experience a psychosis at any given time. The list of things that can trigger one is distressingly long.

>>54680165

Which would be why most shrinks focus on management techniques rather than 'This will cure you forever'

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>"Oh yeah, well if we can't infringe on your right to bear arms then we'll infringe on your right to carry fake weapons HAHAHA WHAT NOW!!!!"

Sad!

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>>54680487
>Get something I've seen drugged up retards shrug off
>Or something that can hammer holes in someone
Take that tazer and stuff it up your ass numbnuts, someone's ability to hurt me is directly related to how many bullets wounds they have.

>>54680619
Don't forget to call the police on elementary schooler who made hand pistol and shouted "pow!".

>>54680660
If they can shrug off a taser they would probably be drugged enough to have their way with you before bleeding out.

>>54680662

Only in Eurabia

>>54680680
Anon, have you ever seen someone get shot in real life?

In the U.S. there are more arms and munitions in circulation than if you took all arms and munitions from literally every military in the world. They will never be taken because attempting to do so would even just at the start create the bloodiest civil war ever with the most guns involved in any war let alone civil war ever. There is no good answer to the gun problem as a whole. Trying to restrict them statistically only increases their sales and it never goes through anyway. Even school shootings and such increase gun sales just incase they would try to take them. The only way to be rid of them here in the states is to salt earth and that will destroy us and the country certainly.

Have someone who knows weapons inspect them and then give a badge they have to carry. Fixed.

>>54680660
>Hurr durr tasers don't take everyone down instantly all the time
>Hurr durr no one has ever remained upright, functioning and pissed off with a few bullet holes

Did you shoot your own logic? It has holes.

Heyooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Reminder that the US has more gun-related fatalities than Mexico in the height of the cartel wars

>>54680701
>bloodiest civil war ever
Your government is fighting wars with drones these days. Let's not pretend your guns would stop it if it decided to put its foot down.

>>54680702
I'm pretty sure one of those in a niche scenario, given that I've literally seen the autistic kid down the street shrug off 4 hits with a taser, while the police struggled to take him down. Plus, if I'm shooting to kill, 2-3 shots to center of mass is going to stop whatever's trying to hurt me.

>>54680702
>>54680680

>using 9mm

>>54680660

>someone's ability to hurt me is directly related to how many bullets wounds they have.

I think you mean inversely related. Unless you think shooting them makes them more powerful.

>>54680739
And shrugging off a taser isn't a niche scenario?

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>>54680702
>9mm
>>54680744
Yep, I'm retarded

>>54680727
I'm not pretending anything and you completely missed the point. Beyond that
>Your government
you're not in the U.S. so your opinion is irrelevant.

>>54680484
>Who do you think is going to invade Clapistan, exactly?

Could be anyone really.

>>54680146
If true, great on you!

>>54680727
Let's not pretend that they would risk the incredible amount of collateral damage. Let's not pretend that there would be massive amounts of defectors and moles in the military. Let's not pretend that there would be foreign aid given to the rebels. Let's not pretend that the military has had any success whatsoever in fighting guerrilla insurgencies.

Let's not pretend you have a functioning brain.

>>54680691
>implying the parents won't sue the parents of the kid, the school, the teacher and the state because of "microaggressions"

only in Amerixo

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>>54680767
>Live in meth rich Upstate NY
>implying I don't have more accounts of local yokels shrugging off tazers and pepper spray from local news
I'm speaking from experience anon

>>54680129
Most butt hurt /r9k/ nerds won't be able to kill 15 people with their bare hands.

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>>54680776
Lucky for you, otherwise you'd have to address the gaping hole in your reasoning.

Pic related. It's something you apparently believe your guns will keep at bay.

>>54680341

> tfw legitimate autist with an arsenal large enough to arm a mid-sized street gang

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed!

>>54680306
>semi-auto in .22lr only
Holy fuck this is advanced cuckholdry

>>54680123
"Mass shootings" are statistical anomalies, so rare their absence (or presence) can hardly be used to form an argument about if regulation is effective or not. Honestly what is more likely to prevent shootings is better mental health care, less cutthroat neo-liberal economic policies, a living wage and various other ways of improving the health and wealth of the citizenry and caring for the otherwise neglected. Focusing on the weapons and not the people behind them is only a stopgap measure, it doesn't stop the main problem.

Also just FYI Ausfalia has had several """mass""" (actually tiny but fit the definition) shootings recently, and if you adjust for population sizes they actually have had almost as many as the US in the same time period. Though I should state again there's vastly different difficulties in enforcing a gun ban in different countries. Like on a unified island, versus a country with massive proliferation of guns already which is bordered by a country who's states are often practically at war with the government with smuggling routes through other countries with wide scale weapons proliferation.

>>54680701

At this point Commiefornia and all the neocons would probably aid the government in taking away the people's weapons unless they are registered Democrat.

I always like the subsequent argument you have with amerifats and their guns

>you guys have a gun problem
>if you ban the guns, people will still manage to find a way to get them
>the US has the most gun related homicides and fatalities compared to any other first world countries
>yeah well then stabbings or something will come up

I'd rather someone attempt to stab me than shoot me

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_psychotic_disorder
Sudden onset. At any time. To anyone. For no goddamn reason.

Yeah nah, let's make sure everyone has a gun.

>>54680180
>more people are killed or wounded accidentally
Yeah """""""""""""""""""Accidentally"""""""""""""""""""""

>>54680798
Well, some perfectly legal tool like kitchen knife, screw-driver or claw hammer might help...

>>54680831
How do you plan on defending yourself? Have you ever been in a knife fight? I'd take a gun fight any day of the week.

>>54680840
Sock full of quarters Master Race reporting in.

>>54678986
source?

>>54680831
>the US has the most gun related homicides and fatalities compared to any other first world countries
And the highest population of any first world country, but that's not important, when talking percentages, right?

>>54680804
Just look at the Ukraine. An angry mob and American money toppled a government with almost modern tanks and jets at it's disposal.

>>54680831
>I'd rather someone attempt to stab me than shoot me

wtf why?

>>54680840
Ah yes, each of those has equal destructive potential. How could I forget that killing people with a screwdriver is as easy as killing people with a gun. I should have remembered all of those hunters going after deer with their claw hammers.

>>54680791
>Let's not pretend that the military has had any success whatsoever in fighting guerrilla insurgencies

This

Hell the United States military has become such a bloated lethargic mess I'm not sure we can even duke it out with another major world power anymore on equal terms we would have to drown them with out sheer numbers and beat them through attrition Soviet Russia style.

All we got going are droned and our SPecial Forces.

>>54680873
I'm sure Russia had nothing to do with it. Cheeki breeki, comrade.

>>54680870
I left that out just so I could reply with the fact that it also has the highest percentage lmao

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>>54680896
>All we got going are droned and our SPecial Forces.
That's a pretty big caveat to your whole point.

>>54680897
>I'm sure Russia had nothing to do with it.
What do you imply? I'm talking about shieldfags and Yanukovich, not Donbass and Crimea.

>>54680446
>libtards
What?
I think it's mostly American conservative swho are against gun regulations. I might be wrong tough. American politics are even messier than European politics.

>>54680848
>dude i've been preparing for a gun fight
amerifat logic

>>54680831
>US is third largest country by population
>Surprised when it has more gun violence than Iceland
Hurrr.

>>54680906
refer to
>>54680937

>>54680937
Per capita, you backwards hick.

>>54680691
Whoa.

I mean, this website is full of retards, but this guy is on a whole new level.

>>54680932
>Haha, I've lived an incredibly sheltered life and haven't ever been in an armed conflict! I'll call them American, I'm so smart
I'm from the Ukraine you goofball.

>>54680836
>Brief psychotic disorder
Literally let's put a loophole into DSM to cover our asses if anything goes wrong.

I would argue humanity is inherently violent, shortsighted, and retarded, this extends to the government, because the majority of the government is compromised of humans. While it is foolish to give every human the capacity to instantly slaughter one another, it is many times more foolish to give a small group of humans a total monopoly on violence, as history has shown this inevitably leads to tyranny and subsequent misery. Therefore, it is the lesser of two evils to allow the vast majority of humans to own military-grade assault weapons, because if everyone has the capacity to slaughter one another, no one group is able to take control and instill tyranny.

>>54680306
>I absolutely need to protect my household with an AK-47 using intermediate cartridges and to be able to fend off these bank robbers I see everyday with my concealed pistol chambered in .45 ACP
>I can't simply protect my house with a hunting rifle or a shotgun

>>54679750
I love how this post misses the OP's point by about five AU, in a most fantastically unpleasant way, yet no one bit it.

>>54680894
Yeah, because it's as hard to walk up to a human as it is to walk up to a dear.

You're a fucking idiot, the slaughter house where my uncle worked used to stun (basically makes em braindead) hogs by the dozen with a metal mallet. Those were full grown hogs, thick skulls on those bastards, if it only takes a hammer to crush a hogs head, what makes you think you would survive if a guy came after you with one and you were unarmed?

>>54680996
Because they literally fucking know it can and does go wrong for no goddamn reason.

Psychoses can trigger without an identifiable cause and if that doesn't concern you, you concern me.

>>54681031
cause you could just fucking run away

>>54681031
I'm probably not being held in place inside a slaughterhouse? Just saying.

>>54681040
>Because they literally fucking know it can and does go wrong for no goddamn reason.
No, because psychiatry is for the most part a scam.

>>54680123
Australia's murder rate is the exact same before and after gun control. Same for the UK.
Meanwhile the murder rate is rising in Brazil kept rising after gun control.
Guess which one the USA would mimick should it get it?

Making it so you can only commit mass stabbings instead of mass shootings would certainly prevent betas like Elliot Rodger from doing em

>>54681067
Goodie gumdrops. I feel so much better now. Guns for everyone.

>>54680180
>people generally don't take seriously enough
That's the main problem to be honest.
Guns are dangerous because that's what they're supposed to be. Some people tend to forget that.

>>54681019
>Protecting your house with a hunting rifle
So do you just want to over penetrate into your neighbors house?

>>54681043
>Clearly the guy will let me know before he attacks me so I can limber up and get ready to run away
Well good luck with that. Hope you don't spend most of your time indoors or anything.

>>54681031
Ah. Pig fucker. Explains it.

Let me put it simply then:
Shoot stick hit people easier than hitting stick. Shoot stick kill more mans easy, hammer kill many mans hard.

>>54681086
This, Jesus Christ. I've had friends with an interest in shooting, and I've taken them to the range, but not before a full hour of me drilling how absolutely dangerous, and what a responsibility a gun is.

Aren't responsible gun owners supposed to keep their firearms tucked away behind lock and key?

How does that help you when there's an intruder in your bedroom, shoving a gun in your face and demanding to know where the money is?

>>54681019

EXACTAMUNDO! DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

>>54681091
>shotguns
please continue

>>54680382
IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HARD, SINCE LITERALL, AND I MEAN LITERALLY, EVERY OTHER CIVILZED COUNTRY ON EARTH MANAGES TO DO THAT.

The only reason you stupid fucking americucks have any problem at all with that idea because the foundingcucks thought it should be a RIGHT to own a gun. A RIGHT. Oh yes, I can absolutely see how a society based on the principles of shared responsibility, justice and rights of the individal over the government and vice versa absolutely stands or falls around the fucking right to own and carry a tool which very and only purpose is to kill.

Ah yes, absolutely ingenius, making it an unrevokable right to own a tool that can ONLY be used for violence and murder will surely make a society BASED on the very principles of peaceful conflic resolution and communal decision making more stable, it's not a problem if lunatics and perpetrators of the social contract will all have easy access to the ultimate tool of murder, because everyone else will have them too! If he kills me i'll just kill him back! Uh wait, something here doesn't seem right...

Oh who cares, AMERICA!

Literally every other society takes some kind intensive measure to insure that only people that really really need guns or who can be really really trusted with them actually get them, which has the added benefit of decreasing the amount of guns in legal circulation that will be easily stolen to support the black market. Gun rights believers allways seem to think that black market weaponry will just materialize out of thin air, when in reality the availablity of illegal firearms is directly proportional to how many legal ones there are and how strong you fight the flux from one to the other.

You live in a self propelling system. The problem is circular, so your only choice is to fight the problem on all points at once and choke it out. The perception that owning murder tools is a right is the fuel you keep on pouring into the wildfire to make it as large as it is.

>>54681117
>Implying there aren't next to bed safes with RFID unlocks for this exact scenario
>Getting into a house in a suburban neighborhood with a locked front and bedroom doors completely silent
>This thread not proving that everyone owning a gun isn't ready to use it on someone entering their home illegally

>>54681117
http://johnrlott.tripod.com/whitney.pdf

Actually, stats support this. Keeping guns in "safe" places doesn't make it much less likely for family members to hurt or kill themselves but it does make it less likely that you'll successfully defend yourself with them.

>>54681108
But hit stick makes no boom-boom, people no hear, no see, no call blue men with shoot sticks.

>>54681117
Americans are like wizards. They leave their shotguns everywhere. Especially near mentally ill schizophrenic autistic virgins that just got humiliated in class by the jocks.

>>54681117

> he doesn't sleep on a sleeping bag in a subterranean chamber underneath his bed, surrounded by dozens of legal, quasi-legal, and outright illegal firearms.

>>54681031
>You can easily kill a dumb animal that has no comprehension of what a hammer is, thus you could just as easily kill an intelligent human being with a hammer
I mean, sure, if you ambushed them anything's possible.

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>>54681130
>What is a 20 Gauge with Birdshot that can't over penetrate into drywall
Please stop being a goof anon

>>54681152
If you wanted to kill someone silently and with enough premeditation to consider that, in America, YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS TO A KNIFE

>>54681108
And this is why less and less people support leftist positions.

>>54681117
There's a few simple solutions for this. Getting a security system with an alarm, or get yourself a friendly, lovable canine companion.

>>54680887
>>54680848
Well golly, can't outrun a bullet, but can potentially outrun a knife. In either case it's much easier to outrun the fatass on the mobility scooter, and much harder for a stabber to stab both of us in comparison to a shooter.

>>54681146
>completely silent
Why? You just need to be quiet enough not to wake anyone up.

Humans ignore a lot of background noise.

>dude its either guns or knives, choose one
>Americans have both
what did amerifats mean by this?

>>54680484
>Who do you think is going to invade Clapistan, exactly?
Latvia, they will try to spread their communistic ways off free WLAN and drinking vodka instead of beer to the heart of the free world!

>>54680979

.t european

>>54681173
Is the answer "useless"?

>>54681173
will birdshot kill someone?

My uncle was a marine and said I should just get two colts for home defense

>>54681108
>Guns are 100% guaranteed death machines that could kill millions with a single clip of tactical ammo
Yeah, no most gunshot wounds aren't fatal and most people without significant training suck at hitting anything. 70% of gunshot wounds are survivable, that's roughly double the amount for acute blunt trauma, and about the same as stabbings. The majority of so called mass shootings, have been under 6 people. Dollars to donuts anyone in average shape could do the same or better with a machete(if you want proof look at Africa), a mallet, or an appropriate melee weapon.

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r8

>>54681221
>will birdshot kill someone?
Eventually.

>>54681215
>T. Man who has never been shot point blank with bird shot
Didn't I just ask you to stop goofing?
>>54681221
Jesus Christ, yes it will. People seriously underestimate guns because of memes. Colts are fun, but I'm as much of a safety nut that I'd avoid any over penetration.

>>54681117
It's best to teach your kids about guns. Do hide them guns and ammo, in separate but accessible places inside your room. When I was 8 and my dad showed me a revolver I wasn't dumb enough to miss the "this will kill me if I fuck up" point.
He also hid it way better than his porn, which I believe he left easily accessible so I would have something more interesting to sneak in and look at.

Why do you niggers care about other people so fucking much. Fuck those assholes, no amount of human lives are worth my guns.

>>54681140

> he is fine with completely submitting to the will of whoever is """fit""" to own a murder tool, and cannot fathom the concept of being responsible for his own safety

Stay feudal eurocuck.

>>54681173

> what is crystal meth and protective sports gear

Anon please.

>>54681235
Nice flashlight.
Pros:
Emperor-approved.
Cons:
Too big. Can't read heretical texts under the blanket.

>>54681265
t. average amerifat

Why does everyone think Eurotrash can't own guns?

I can.

I just don't want to go through the hassle of being registered, mandatory training several times each year, and keeping both registered firearms and registered ammo in two separate, sufficiently secure safes in my home.

It's inconvenient and the odds of me both needing them and actually being able to use them productively are minute.

>>54681172
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs

>>54681140
>>54680382

Also holy FUCK YOU for thinking it is impossible to treat mental illnesses. This is the same kind of retarded believe that can only grow on the soil of american ignorance

Vacines cause Autism
Global Warming is a hoax
Chemtrails
Gun owernership is a right
Mental illness can't be treated
The answer to crime is more prison and more social stigma

These are the stupid believes that should only ever grow in ignorant third world countries, yet YOU provide the biggest nourishing grounds for these kinds of believes, where they grow like a cancer in the american psyche.

America as a collective consciousness is mentally ill as a whole and refuses to get help. I swear to god, if anything will ever be the downfall of humanity it won't be violence and autocracy, it will be America, the great enabler of ignorance.

>>54681278
Anon if I have methed up sports armor wearing gladiators breaking into my home I think I have bigger problems than my choice of home defence weapon.

>arguing about claw hammers
>ignoring the fact that more people get killed by claw hammers in the US every year than by guns

>>54681296
So as I said, it's doable if you ambush them.

>>54679715
too easy and 4chin wont be able to make a fuss over it.

>>54681313
>America as a collective consciousness

There are two Americas though.
Which one are you talking about?

>>54681265
They don't care actually. They just pretend they care so that they don't have to explain that the real reason they want to ban guns is because guns represent their potential mortality and they find that terrifying. They want to make them go away in a sort of ritual sacrifice so they can go back to pretending that the world is a safe place and that they aren't going to die horribly some day anyway from random causes the media doesn't fear monger about all day.

>>54681294
>Those regs
Swiss?

>>54680495
Dis nigga right here!

If you post on 4chan you're on a list somewhere as 'associated with known criminal, hate-group and terrorist organizations.' Doesn't matter if you just visit /tg/ to banter about children's card games... it doens't matter if you only visited /pol/ to trigger some nazis with cuck porn... you're an associate.

The moment you get in the way of any power with access to your personal information they will try and leverage it to deprive you of power, don't give that stick any more leverage than it already has.

>>54681278
I literally own a gun, stop believing the memes and KYS. A modern military goes through armed civilians like a red hot glowing knive through butter, it is so easy it isn't even funny.

Guns will never save you, but the democratic principles will save you from ever having to find out they won't, but your mental illness of gun rights is more important to you than those, so have fun finding it out yourself when the time comes.

>>54681184
>Well golly, can't outrun a bullet

But you can step out of the way, or make yourself hard to hit by weaving back and forth?

>>54681313
Treat =/= cure

Treatment is an ongoing process which for the most part only alleviates the worst symptoms. Treatment is a temporary measure which at any time can fail.

>>54681378
>A modern military goes through armed civilians like a red hot glowing knive through butter, it is so easy it isn't even funny.
Examples or gtfo.

>>54681313
well I am sure as hell not talking about latin america if that is what you are getting at, though those are also all in OTHER varying states being unable to help themselves or others

>>54681362
No.

>>54681332
It's doable in a straight up fight too.
Do you think someone disarmed has an easy time fighting someone armed? There is rule of self defense which is: if they have a knife and you don't, run.

Also look up asian knife attacks.

>>54681350
Man that's a dumb argument.
You could also say "they" don't their guns taken because they need them to feel strong and safe.

>>54681362
Most European countries actually.

>>54681318

> he doesn't want to face the psuedo-australian post-apocalyptic hellscape with a sawn-off full-auto shotgun in one hand and tens of thousands of shell's worth of ammunition in the other

>>54681411
The Middle-East.

>>54681378
>An army comprised of former civvies will "go through armed civilians like a red hot glowing knife through butter"
Yeah. No.

>Inb4 I was talking about outside aggression
In which case it's just like nam, fight to the last and make occupation too costly.

>>54681378

> I literally own a gun

Hmm, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind posting it for the class.

>>54681435
Arabs can't into war aside, remind me how did conquering Middle East worked out? Not so well, it seems.

>>54680990
>the Ukraine
>the
This makes me doubt you

>>54681421
>Man that's a dumb argument.
Not really, it's quite a valid interpretation given studies on how mortality and knowledge thereof effects people's mental processes.
>You could also say "they" don't their guns taken because they need them to feel strong and safe.
And you'd probably be mostly right, however for the most part gun owners don't pretend to be doing it out of care for others but instead are acting in line with their ego's true desires. Most gun owners readily admit the main reason they own them is because they enjoy them and the hobbies gun ownership allows them to take part in.

>>54681421
>Most European countries actually.
Then again, if I were into shooting guns as a sport and if I met all the requirements, I'd probably still go to jail for shooting a home invader unless he specifically cornered me in the exact place I keep my firearms.

It's not considered self defense if you still had the option of running, basically.

Keeps jacked-up antisocials from legally killing folks whenever their reptilian brains perceive a threat.

>>54681420
Well, yeah. You can run away. Which is the point of this whole conversation in the first place. You're much more likely to survive an encounter against a guy with a knife or hammer than against a guy with a gun. Just because you can kill someone with a pencil doesn't make it as deadly as a gun.

>>54681378
>Fighting at home in a civil war against a guerrilla, where most of your military supports the insurgents, in a gigantic ass country filled with urban areas and desolate wild areas
Wanna know how I know you're just a fag pretending to be into guns?

>>54680869
http://io9.gizmodo.com/gunman-at-phoenix-comicon-claiming-to-be-the-punisher-1795604000

He went to kill the green power ranger.

>>54681461
>how did conquering Middle East worked out
That was never an outright objective, so...

>>54681496
>This makes me doubt you
You should instead doubt outrage media.

>>54681435
>Wins against the conventional iraqi/afghani forces
>Spends 10 years getting btfo by civilian camel fuckers and then quit it
Lmfao.

>>54681525
If you use a knife in a crowded metro it'll be extremely deadly, comparable to a gun. Ban knifes please.

>>54681539
>That was never an outright objective, so...
>I can't into sarcasm.

>>54681589
>Ban knifes please.
Are we going to pretend this isn't the case? Walk around your local city center just showing a big-ass knife to people. See how not-banned they are.

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>Americucks can't have prop weapons in their conventions because of their real weapons
>Europoors can have prop weapons in their conventions because they cant have real weapons
truly the Americans have won

>>54681618
>Walk around your local city center just showing a big-ass knife to people.
>I'm too stupid to differentiate between concealed carry and brandishing guns in public.

>>54681589
>>54681639
>dude if you use a knife it would be much more deadly
are you saying Americans don't have access to knives?

Why is this thread still on the board?

>>54681618
I live in the most derided state in the US when it comes to weapons, and we are legally allowed to open carry sheathed knives

>>54681666
Why are you still in this thread?

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>>54681666
>Current year (almost 2018)
>Mods giving a single fuck about board quality

>>54681460
Well, I am sure as hell not gonna drive three hours home to make a pic of my hunting rifle, but I can see if my mum still has a piece of boar or deer in the freezer, though I am not sure how that would prove jack shit.

On the other hand, a quick google search will show you that there is an abundance of firearms in most european countries and that there are a fuckton of hunting rifles in germany. What you are spouting are literally memes.

>INB4 then tell us where your Jagd is if you are a german hunter :^)
Yeah I am not going to dox myself sorry. Also, save yourself the keyboard strokes and just imagine the lame "haha told you" memes he is going to spout as a response.

I've gone to a couple conventions dressed up as an NCR Ranger. Took my (real) Winchester 1886 both times.

I never told anyone it was or wasn't real, and nobody asked. Even had some legit cartridges on a bandoleer. The rifle never came to life killed anyone.

>>54681029
>I love how this post misses the OP's point by about five AU, in a most fantastically unpleasant way, yet no one bit it.

Probably because by now we've all had at least a year of /pol/tards pretending to be libtards in order to trick other /pol/tards pretending to be libtards into arguing with them and we're all a little bored with it.

>>54681618
Not banned at all.

There are two levels of "crime" in my country. Carrying any kind of melee weapon or bow isn't categorized on either of them. Meanwhile basically any gun is banned and the ones that aren't (basically just .38 revolvers) require you to jump through a series of flaming loops.

>>54681666
>Why is this thread still on the board?
The mod who runs /tg/ is a /pol/tard.

If you really want to get the thread deleted you have to get people talking about quest threads.

>>54681769
I should add:
We have 55 thousand homicides per year and organized crime has military grade weaponry.

Gee, banning Pedrinho fron owning a pistol sure was worth it

>>54680070
Eurofag here,and you know who find it very difficult to make black market contacts and source illegal weaponry? 13-year old schoolchildren. No school shootings here.
I will admit that there are some actual legitimate reasons to own guns, but the actual one written in the constitution is so that the people can form a militia red-dawn style, and the USA is almost certainly the single least likely country in the entire world to require civilians defend it in a traditional land invasion. African, east asian, middle eastern, hell, european nations even under the EU all are much more likely to be on the wrong end of a land invasion, therefore having better claims to owning guns than the US, and those of us that do have them banned are pretty much fine.
inb4 refugee crisis and isis, completely unrelated topics and we still have armed police divisions in order to use weapons when weapons are needed

>>54681589
NYC has already banned knives. You know how many murders are committed in NYC on an annual basis?

>>54680702
>using 9mm

>>54681248
I can feel you on over penetration it would suck to kill a nigga trying to steal my TV and then have a bullet make some kid a quadrapelgic and get sued

>>54681721

I never denied the prevelance of firearms in Europe, I'm just dumbfounded the majority of your nation would put so much trust in their government and law enforcement. I can hardly imagine the lack of crime that would be necessary for something like that to happen.

>>54681378
I guess thats why we won Vietname and Iraq right

>>54681516
>shooting home invaders
Step 1: Don't live in a shit country. Your culture of violence is also the reason your home invaders are violent. Armed violence in a home robbery is exceptionally rare compared to america, you are simply not going to need it

Step 2: Realize that nothing gives you the right to potentially murder somebody for commiting a crime. That belive is another big tank of gas pouring into the wildfire. What you are commiting is manslaugther wether you are "defending" your home or not. All you do by having enaugh legal guns that theoretically everyone can "defend" their home is increase the supply of illegal guns and the pressure to own them for people trying to rob you. All this does is escalate the stakes and increase the risk of them shooting you first

You are creating the problem by creating this aura of justified violence in trying the fight the problem before it comes up. This aura of violence just contributes to the potential invaders feeling more justified to comit crime and violence back. If you normalize violence and weaponry like that for "upstanding citizens", it is just going to increase the determination in those that feel disenfranchized by society and fell they have the right to take back what the perceive society took from them.

>>54681861
>I'm just dumbfounded the majority of your nation would put so much trust in their government and law enforcement.
Because in Germany, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. the government and law enforcement ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB.

When I fall off my bike and scrape my leg, and I see some cops doing traffic checks, I can just walk up to them and ask if I can use their first-aid kit without worrying about getting executed because the scrape on my leg kinda looked like a gun.

>>54681861
Japanese levels of lack of crime honestly.

>>54681879

If there's already a culture of violence, aren't firearms necesarry?

>>54681835
>13 year old school children
Jesus christ you have really bought into this narrative.

Just so you know:
>Average age of school shooters is 16
>Normally got the guns through illegal means
>School shootings aren't significant to total number of homicides
The numbers that inflate american homicides are crime-related homicides. Stop watching TV.

>>54681901

Must be nice, but to be honest I'd rather have my Ethcoin stockpiles and Kalashkinovs.

>>54681731
Someday /pol/ will be gone.

>>54681879
>Just let them steal your shit bro
>Just let them take everything you've earned and bled for through your own effort bro
>Just let them have it so they're encouraged to steal and victimize even more people bro

christ, I don't want to think that europeans are cowards by nature but I'm seeing more and more evidence of it

>>54681906
>The japanese don't have crime

laughingsextrafficers.jpg

>>54681901
>sweden
>the government and law enforcement do their job
haha good one

>>54680052
>Nobody thinks to restrict the guns.
Chicago did.
Yet it somehow has the second highest rste of gun violence, second only to L.A. It's almost like gun control doesn't work.

>>54681534
>mentally ill man walks into con with real weapons
>does absolutely nothing, no injuries
Ban Everything

>>54681265
>>54681292
t. falseflagger

>>54682036
I've done exactly this, minus the mentally ill part.

See >>54681723

>>54681879
>Step 2: Realize that nothing gives you the right to potentially murder somebody for commiting a crime.
But they have the right to take my shit? Or to kill me? Or rape my loved ones?
Top kek, that's fucking horrible logic. By this logic, what right do you have to defend yourself against foriegn invaders? Or for that matter, what gives us the right to try criminals? Who are we to lock them up? And more over, where do these ""rights"" come from anyways? Who died and made you god?

Why don't we just cut out the middle step and ban the mentally ill?

>>54681548
I do. The point was, even if anecdotally, I've never heard a Ukrainian call it 'the Ukraine'. Nobody calls Russia 'the Russia', nor is there a Ukraine as a geographic region as opposed to the country.

>>54681313
>The answer to crime is more prison and more social stigma
Fuck off Foucalt you intellectually dishonest hack.

>>54682071
Because that leads you down a very very bad path. If you start banning the mentally ill for the greater good, where does it end? What logic is there that prevents you from banning any and everyone who you even think may be a potential threat?

>>54681879
>Your culture of violence is to blame! Stop defending yourself! You are to blame!
>Self defence is just like attacking people, those poor victims of society are feeling threatened when they come to commit crimes against you!
>Waaaah, VICTIMS ARE TO BLAME!
It's essentially fucking illegal to defend myself here but a robber will quarter and rape you if he feels like it. I fucking hate people like you. I honestly hope you find yourself in q situation where you are at a criminal's mercy so you can understand.

>>54682071
I think we should just ban humans entirely.

>>54682071
>>54682115
The destruction of all existance is the only way to ensure that no conflict ever occurs again. Thus, we must ban EVERYTHING

>>54682112
Please don't wish pain on a masochist, that's just indulging them

>>54681879
>Step 2: Realize that nothing gives you the right to potentially murder somebody for commiting a crime. That belive is another big tank of gas pouring into the wildfire. What you are commiting is manslaugther wether you are "defending" your home or not.

Stopped reading there, you are a retard.

>>54681987
It probably has something to do with insurances.

>>54681981
Good luck with that.

>>54682132
Well played.

>>54682185
Insurances won't be worth shit after they cause permanent emotional damage on your daughter by raping her. Insurances won't cover reattaching lost limbs and head. Insurances don't revive you. They also don't cover the loss of loved ones, though you might get some pennies from that.
They also don't cover the damage of accepting that others can infringe upon your rights and you have no right to property or life because some faggot decided a criminal is worth more than you.

>>54682307
>Guy stealing your TV will take any opportunity to rape and kill your family and behead you
Where they fuck d you live, the islamic state?

>>54682129
Fuck of Sydney De'Ath.

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>>54682360
No

>>54682357
In Brazil, where it's basically hell to try and own guns, the government protects criminals by being incompetent, the police functions like basically every other police force (that is, they don't fucking teleport), and you can get sued even when someone -tries to fucking kill you-, which happened to my father (who didn't even defend himself since he was taken by surprise. The criminal got off with a fine).

To all "liberal" faggots in this thread,I legitimately hope you die at the hands of a violent criminal.

>>54682423
>Living in Brazil
My condolences.

>>54681835
the 5th amendment is for citizens to resist government tyranny, not defence against foreign invasions.

Also there have been european schoolshootings.

>>54680477
Have you ever been to any kind of mental health eval, willingly or otherwise, and not had it hard scrubbed from all medical records?
Congratulations, you can turn in your guns at the nearest police station and never touch one ever again, because you've been deemed mentally unstable.

>>54682423
Maybe if you weren't so hateful you're father would have been fine, ever consider that you republithug bigot??

>>54682112
On the opposite end of the stick here, in Ireland, if a robber breaks into your house by smashing a window, but cuts himself on the broken glass on the way in, he can sue you for your unsafe house hurting him.
Oh and what do you know we've never had gun problems. Bomb problems sure, but never guns.
"Independent.ie can reveal that in the last decade there were 201 gun murders or manslaughters in the Republic of Ireland between 2005 and 2015 (statistics below)."
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/republic-of-ireland-is-deadliest-place-to-live-in-irish-and-british-isles-new-figures-34614775.html
(independent is a fairly decent news source FYI)

>200 gun murders in 10 years for a population of 4 million
0.5 murders per year per million people

To compare that to US
"All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, "
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604
(To be fair, BBC is pretty shit news)
>13200 in one year, country of population 323 million
40 gun deaths per year per million people

Huh, it turns out that when everyone has guns, much more people die by guns. Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
(Yes I know wiki is shit)
>US #92
>IRE #171
And you don't even have a gigantic cultural divide that's been causing a neverending civil war since 1921, with two domestic terrorist organisations still present in the country.

>>54682475
>On the opposite end of the stick here, in Ireland, if a robber breaks into your house by smashing a window, but cuts himself on the broken glass on the way in, he can sue you for your unsafe house hurting him.
Why the hell would you mention this, except to show how pathetic europe is, that you can get sued for someone hurting themselves while trying to steal your stuff? We don't even allow that here in america, the land of the law suit

>>54682467
>Republican
>Brazil

>Why are you hateful against people who want you dead?
Remind me, what fault did I have when my father suffered said murder attempt, back when I was a prepubescent child and had to see my dad bloodied up being dragged into a safer place?
Right. I seriously, seriously hope you die, maybe if there is an afterlife you'll go there and finally understand.

>>54682475
>One place has gun control and protects criminals, but has low crime

>The other place also has gun control and protects criminals
>But has extreme crime

Oh wow, really got my noggin' joggin'.

>>54680477
I'm aspergers and I want guns, though I'm in Canada and we can't get the sweet guns I want

>>54682475
Gee, if only there was some certian major difference between ireland and the USA that would explain that phenomenon.
Perhaps a class of undereducated, ostracized and isolated group that had been oppressed for generations, has developed a culture gloryfying crime, a tendency towards broken homes resulting in a greater tendency towards gang membership and a rejection of education and self improvement as "not really part of our group" and also tends to be the number one source of American violent crimes. Nope, no such group exists, so certainly it's just the guns that are the problem

>>54681906
Japan lies about their crime a lot. I'm sure it is low, but they literally don't count a death as a murder until they've closed the case on the perp.
Shot in the back of the head from 10 feet? Not a murder until we find who did it and went through an entire trial.

>>54678986
>Because a heavily armed crazy man walked into the Phoenix Comic-Con
>crazy man walked
>walked
that fat fucker waddled at best

>>54682645
Mate I hate to tell you but Ireland has the ginger menace too

>>54680264
11/10, would definitely have a beer with

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>>54682530
You're replying to a falseflagging /pol/tard, idiot.

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>>54683013
Poe's law.

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>>54680167
I'll play with you anon.

>http://www.snopes.com/democrat-shooters-list/

>>54681987
Well, it's not being a European, it's just being a gunless cuck. Which most europoors happen to be, but totally applies to most people living in California and New York and what have you.

>>54683208
>snopes

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>>54683260
>/pol/ memes

>>54680896
Why do civilians talk about shit they don't understand?

>>54681012
>implying other animals are any better

The only thing keeping Fang or Tom from shooting up the local school is his lack of opposable thumbs.

Humanity wouldn't be the way it is if it didn't come from this planet, which tries to kill itself and everything on it every so often.

>>54683361
Combat vet here.

99% of vets don't understand shit either.

>>54683352
Provide some actual sources of fuck off retard. Same to him as well, but at least he didn't fuck it up by trying and failing to give a source

>>54681019
>full power rifle cartridge
>less powerful than a 7.62x39mm

wut

>>54683396
I think you mean to say 99% without a CIB or CMB or similar. Anyone with any significant time in combined arms should know the comparative quality of military personnel, and that America, the UK, and Canada are far and away better than anyone else, especially fucking Russia, with America topping the list.

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>>54683446
Before I waste my time, what source would you actually accept?

>>54682645
>a rejection of education as "not really one of us"

How I wish that didn't hit so close to home.

>>54683488
No, even 99% of infantry and medics know dick about nothing.

>>54683502
An actual, peer reviewed study, or an article published in a reputable journal.

>>54683564
Yep. Black culture is fucked up as hell, world would be much better off had Brooker T. Washington had more success in the black community.

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>>54683653
Define a reputable journal.

>>54683733
I'll accept anything that requires some level or peer review for the sources of it's articles.

>>54683766
>American Brutus: John Wilkes Booth and the Lincoln Conspiracies by Michael W. Kauffman
Was a member of the conservative American Party, and not a Democrat.

>A Complete History of the Life and Trial of Charles Julius Guiteau, Assassin of President Garfield by Henry and Charles Hayes
An active member of the Republican party (relatively liberal at the time).

>Autobiography of Lee Harvey Oswald:: My Life in My Words by Diane Holloway, Ph.D.
No affiliation with neither the Republicans or the Democrats, but vocally socialist.

>Taking Aim at the President: The Remarkable Story of the Woman Who Shot at Gerald Ford by Geri Spieler
While a member of radical leftist circles, Moore was not part of the Democrats

>Rawhide Down: The Near Assassination of Ronald Reagan by Del Quentin Wilber
Detective Eddie Myers assumes Hinckley is a Democrat.

>Dying on the Job: Murder and Mayhem in the American Workplace by Ronald D. Brown
A quick review confirms what Snopes stated: Huberty as a survivalist who was paranoid about government overreach. I have also not been able to find any actual record of his political affiliations. I'd spend more time on it, but this thread is/was on page 10.

Bumping

>>54684209
...You do realize that the Democratic party was the one on the right side of the political spectrum for a loooong time, yeah? They've literally flipped over. Lincoln was a Republican.

>>54684257
Notice I mentioned that the Republican Party was relatively liberal at the time of President Garfield's assassination.