/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>54676501
>What's your favorite?
Probably either the Enfield AS-7 shotgun or the Savalette Guardian.

I usually try to grab more fluffy weaponry, a character of mine who lived in France mostly uses FN firearms (Since there aren't any specifically french guns mentioned in the books), with another favoring the weapon type and configuration they were issued during their time with a SWAT team.

>>54676501
My sammy's the most weapon-heavy guy in the group, doubly so because his civilian identity's fake job is in private security. He has two different sets of weapons: one that's for non-criminal activity and one for criminal activity. He's an all-range type, keeping just a couple pistols (a Savalette Guardian and a Colt Government 2066), a taser, an assault rifle (the FN HAR), a shotgun, and a knife. His criminal identity uses a similar loadout, with the HAR exchanged for a heavily-modified Ares Alpha, an assault shotgun, a sniper rifle (easily broken down to carry in a false-bottom attache case), a sword, a few grenades, and the blade in his cyberarm. Obviously, he can't use all of those at once, but weapons are just tools used for killing people. You don't bring a socket wrench to do a drill's job just like you don't bring a shotgun when the job requires a marksman's weapon or a sniper rifle when a handgun will do.

>>54676501
My social adept that I'm retiring in a session or two after her arc's complete has like 5 weapons on her at any given time, a Pulsar, a Streetsweeper, a Deputy, a whip from the 4th world and an Ares Redline.

>>54676501
>What's your favorite?
The Ingram, ofc. Runner up: Savalette.

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Every time this question is asked, my answer is the same.

Ruger Thunderbolt.

And i never get to use it since i have no games...

>>54676501
Warhawk, Predator, Smartgun, Monosword, Spurs.

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>fav weapon
muscle magic
a mys adept built around shape (concrete), missle mastery, 15 str and smashing blow

>>54677728
Isn't there some vein harvesting you have to attend?

I've had this idea in my head for a character that reflects basically everything. He would need
a) Reflection or Harmonious Reflection metamagic
b) Counterstrike martial arts technique or adept power,
c) missile parry (probably on a focus) and
d) a high initiative to utilize his interrupts.

Which metamagic is better? Is Counterstrike as martial arts or power better?

How would you build such a character (Mage/MysAd/PhysAd, metatype)?

>>54676501
>Favorite gun
Cavalier Deputy, just looks too awesome in art.

My IKEA Sniper Rifle: Model Birgitta, .50 cal. Once you manage to assemble it it shoots perfectly, assuming you don't end up with a few extra screws that surely should've been somewhere in the weapon.

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>>54676501
LMGs are the coolest to use.
I've got my GM to allow name variants to the regular ones but I usually go for the SF-20.

>>54678626
Is this a rifle with an underbarrel rifle?

>>54678667
This is what happens when you don't have enough dakka.

You take two guns see, and you make them one.

>>54676501
Will the Fichetti Executive Action ever be viable?

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>>54678709
Can't I just add more dakka in a weapon that usually doesn't dakka much at all?

>>54676501
So many people in our African mercenary group use the Ares Alpha that I've joked that we should put it on our flag Mozambique style.

>>54679123
To be fair it is the best AR in the game.

>>54678717
Isn't that the light pistol with 7p and SA/BF? because then it's already the best light pistol for raw firepower, like the Guardian. If you want something easier to hide than a Heavy, or something a bit more socially acceptable to carry.

Hmm, I'm having some trouble with chummer. When I attempt to prioritygen a character and I select priority C Enchanter, I don't get the free skills associated with the selected specialization. Has anyone else encountered this before?

>>54679152
>What is the Yamaha Raiden

>>54679423
No integral grenade launcher.

>>54676501
>what weapons

FN HAR and Savalette Guardian

first is decently priced and you can always grab a spare mag from corpsec

second is just great. Burst fire capabilities are among the most powerful shit one can have.

Even though I know the Browning Ultra-Power is significantly outclassed by many weapons, I still love it.

>>54679983
>Silenced
>Recoil comp/fuckyou
>Bigger mag
>At the cost of 1 easy to obtain/stack RC you can underbarrel a grenade launcher
>Japanese and therefore better

>>54680076
Underbarrel Grenade launcher has 1 round capacity.

The Ares Alpha has six.

There's no logic behind it either, just broken shit.

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Ever since we started playing in the ADL my character carries a 223 everywhere

>>54680009
Isn't the Walther Secura II a straight upgrade to the Guardian? I mean, if you can find the State of the Art ADF book.

>>54680426
Yeah, that one is a beauty. Just needs a smartgun because >lol 4 ACC.
To bad the Service rifle of the Bundeswehr in the book is a bit on the weak side, i very much like the looks of it.

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>>54680426
Translation literally when?

>>54680545
Never.

>>54680524
>if you can find the State of the Art ADF book

I have it in print, thats not an issue.
The secura technically still has the "burst Needs complex Action" part from pre-errata R&G in it, because the Author didn't knew this got removed.
And i honestly think it should keep this disadvantage, because I'm very much against "strictly better" weapons.
They should have given the Walther a laser sight instead desu.

>>54680426
The MP75 carries even more stopping power though (9/-1) and comes with smartgun, advanced safety and GasVent 2 stock.

>>54680611
Where can I find a pdf then?

>>54680614
>"burst Needs complex Action"
Doesn't that makes it exactly the same as SA burst though?

>>54680707
Pray that one german anon finally scans it.

>>54680812
Not that anon, but does it not come In PDF format?
Also are there any translations of the other German PDFs?

>>54680930
No.

>>54680734
Not exactly, semi-Auto SA can't fire 6 bullets, whereas with the Walther, both short and long require a complex Action instead of only the long one.

>>54680707
>>54680812
>>54680930

Just buy the fucking PDF from Pegasus online store http://www.pegasusdigital.de/product/212955/Shadowrun-State-of-the-Art-ADL?src=FrontPage

And no, there are no ripped pdfs yet, because german community nowadays knows fucknothing about removing watermarks.

>>54680930
I and some other Anons translated a few items from several german-only books, but there are no official translations for the german-only books.

Should I play 5e or 4e?

>>54681068
5e

>>54681068
5e

>>54680545
When CGL finally die and Ulysses Spiele takes over both German and English lines.

>>54681252
>Ulysses

Oh D*g no.
They have a printing policy arguable worse than CGLs

>split Clerical professions into two different books
>split Magic in two different books

No thanks.
Shadowrun Germany is handled by Pegasus and it should stay there.

>>54681301
>Shadowrun Germany is handled by Pegasus
This is what I get for having TORG on the brain.

>>54681068
5e. At this point it has more, better-balanced content overall. 5e's Matrix rules are absolute garbage, but 4e's were pretty fucking shit too, so it's a wash either way there.

>>54679229
I think I haven't set up the new subclasses properly, the current priority system wasn't really built to handle them.

>>54680675
Yeah but I own a HK MR223 in real life so it's more of a fluff gun at this point for me
>>54680812
I own it, if I had a scanner I would do it, but I dont....

I'm sorry anon

>>54682214
Schick!
Jäger oder Sportschütze?

>>54682344
"Jäger"
Aber eigentlich nur für den Schein, ich hab mir eine Kimber Pro Raptor Elite und eine MR223 geholt, mein Bruder besitzt auch einige zum sportlichen Schiessen

>>54682502
>>54682344
Why is Shadowrun so popular in Germany anyway?

>>54682502
>Scheinjäger

Noice.
Das steht bei mir auch auf der Agenda, muss aber noch ein wenig dafür sparen.

>>54678739
But that just gives you some dakka. See, what we're after here is more dakka

>>54680156
Most of us aren't in warzones where we need that kind of firepower at immediate disposal. Or we just get a drone to carry that semi-auto grenade launcher, because that's what drones are for.

>>54682617
Complexity. Interestingly, Poland, right next door, favours CP2020.

>>54682617
Because FASA is/was a German company.

>>54682851
What?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASA
>Headquarters Chicago, Illinois, U.S.

>>54682877
Well, shit, I was misinformed.

>>54682617
Because it's home to Lowfyr and S-K, the largest megacorp in the world.

>>54682915
You were thinking of Fantasy Productions (FanPro), I think.

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>>54669207
Well not for the original 2020 setting, so
1)its for a custom setting, so i dont really need to give a shit about it fitting the rules
2)brainhacking is cool as shit
3)I honestly just wanna use a less fucked up ruleset for net running

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>>54678717
It's essentially a cheap, more-concealable machine pistol. All it needs is some RC and it'll do standup service for the right person.

>>54679153
The best light pistol for raw firepower is always going to be the 8P Colt Agent Special.

>>54684407
Well if you want to you can ask the creator directly
http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=48836 is the link to the discussion thread. If you register you could even ask him directly

>>54678667
No, this is a full auto double rifle.
AR-15 style single recoil spring in the stock tube.
AR-15 style large double bolt with dual gas system for even pressure on the bolt.

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>>54685210
So wait you're saying this is actually possible.

Cause all I did was fuck around in pimpmygun for like twenty minutes.

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So is there a specific writer that makes Shadowrun novels worth a damn?

After watching a documentary about the old west recently, I realized that the NAN are a huge part of what makes Shadowrun as we know it, but I don't actually know much about each nation culturally and politically.

>>54685492
Native American Nations Volumes 1 & 2.

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>>54685492
Personally I'm fond of Stackpole and Findley (the latter of whom wrote at least one NAN sourcebook back in the day, in addition to novels). Charette also wrote a lot of stuff that is still referenced/core to modern canon with things like Secrets of Power and Never Deal With a Dragon.

Fire and Frost is the only recent novel I really cared for.

>>54685579
>Secrets of Power and Never Deal With a Dragon

Meant Secrets of Power and Never Trust an Elf. NDWAD is in the Secrets of Power trilogy

Alright, when you're jumped-in rigging, how do you calculate your initiative?

Because it's saying Data Processing+Intuition+4d6, but what the hell is my Data Processing? I'm jumped directly into the vehicle.

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>>54685446

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>>54686062
Thank you anon, now I can justify this to my players.

>>54686193
I knew I'd have a use for that image some day.

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>>54684407
It'd take some heavy lifting to port the mechanics to CP2020's shitshow, but I don't see why not.
>>54685446
Over-under's a bit awkward from a design perspective, but it's certainly doable.
>>54685997
Device rating of the control rig, I believe. Expectation generally seems to be that you'll use your commlink or RCC to jump in.

>>54686535
Alright, then what's the Device Rating of a Control Rig? Because you literally have a datajack built into it, and you just plug it into the vehicle, so I don't even know how you'd use the RCC/Commlink.

>>54686581
Basic cyberware is DR 2. Alphaware is 3, beta is a 4, and delta is 5.

>>54686804
So basically the answer is "Fuck you if you want to be a rigger, you're going to be awful"

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>finally, a chance to talk about Humanis Policlub. They've been relegated to the background forever; now, in Complete Trog, we get a chance to talk about who exactly they are and how they operate. We can finally dig into why they are so pernicious, what their platform actually is, and how their nakedly pro-human agenda gets past discrimination laws. After all, they're literally a public political organization - they can't be that if they're Satan in the eyes of the world.

>JK, we'll just say there is some sort of outer shell, and a secret inner conspiracy that does evil evil stuff, and that this policlub is actually organized like a terrorist network with very limited communication between branches, because that seems at all possible for a public entity with political goals.

Frag it all. There is functionally no difference between Humanis, Human Nation, and Alamo 20k, except a vague allusion to some sort of HP charity wing. You'd imagine that if they were going to write a book all about oppression, they'd at least open up a newspaper or sociology book and read how actual hate groups operate.

>>54686883
But writing up an insidious villain group is an awful lot of effort in comparison to just making another crude KKK comparison.

>>54686850
A control rig isn't meant to be used alone, it's meant to be used with mostly cars or throught an RCC to rig a drone.

>>54686535
>Device rating of the control rig, I believe
>>54686850
If you're plugged into the RCC, use that. If you're plugged into a drone, use the pilot rating.

>The Device Rating of a drone is the same as its Pilot Rating, meaning all of its Matrix attributes are equal to the Pilot Rating.

>>54686883
This isn't news, going purely by what you've written here. Humanis have always had a public front and privately funded fanatics to do the dirty work.

>>54687362
Speaking of those huge kinds of conspiracy theories, I wonder how sad Israel was that their puppet USA got buttmunched.

>>54687727
My Gm tells me that Israel combusted, is this true, or was he trying to placate me?

>>54676501
FN P93 Praetor, lots of good stats, & just all around nice

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Is there anywhere I can find the anon translations of the german pdfs?

So my GM just gave me Dead Emotion for indirectly causing the death of 100+ innocent people, I already have Impassive and roleplay my character as a remorseless military veteran. What would be a good emotion to kill for this?

>>54688579
Lurk and wait

>>54688701
I dont know if its an emotion exactly, but pleasure from food/drink. Basically everything tastes like cardboard & shit, no more good steak or wine. No relief from a nice cold beer at the end of a run. Snickers does not satisfy. That sort of thing

>>54688895
>Snickers does not satisfy.
At least be realistic, chummer, c'mon. Don't just put a bullet in my suspension of disbelief like that.

>>54688855
So nobody has translated the rules from, say, the corebook, and posted it here, despite the translated rules being in Chummer?

>>54688995
I have Germans that submit pull requests with the data.

>>54688981
Fine, imagine that even the most flavorful & delicately delightful meal made by some elven Martha Stewart hits your tongue yet all you taste is the raw protein of an off brand Stuffershack which suffered equipment failure, rain water from a rusting barrel, & stale oats. Every meal is bland, you pour unhealthy levels of salt, pepper & spices but it has no effect.

>>546890960
See, that's much more realistic. Was that so hard?

>>54689070
Ah well, Guess I'll just use the German rules without the fluff

>>54687727
Jews have stopped being Jews because they're being outjewed by dragons and immortal elves.

>>54691701
I thought jews awakened to dwarves and started living underground?

>>54691716
>I thought jews awakened to dwarves and started living underground?
THE HUMAN KNOWS
SHUT IT DOWN

Hey guys
New player here
i'm thinking of making an infiltrator/face shadowrunner for an upcoming game.
Any tips?

>>54692346
what edition?
What kind of game? (Over the top action/Steathy espionage/something else)
What CharGen Method (Karma/Sum-To-X/Priority)?
What house rules?
Where are you playing?

>>54688368

Placating. The Mossad still exists. It gets mentioned every so often in connection to government powers and spycraft.

Basically, Israel and Palestine got their two state solution after Arafat died. They survived the Alliance Jihad through threatening nukes and Palestine supporting them out of not wanting to give up their new peace. Also some magic. Israeli mages got real good at casting defensive magic near their holy sites.

I don't think there's much about it beyond that. All I've seen that mentions Israel is Shadows of Asia and a few other books that gush about how amazing the Mossad is. I guess combustion could've happened later in a book that I haven't look at, but it's around as of Shadows of Asia.

>>54692364
>what edition?
5e
>What kind of game? (Over the top action/Steathy espionage/something else)
https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/2444596/shadowrun-5e-critics-choice-5a-02
>What CharGen Method (Karma/Sum-To-X/Priority)?
no idea
>What house rules?
"This is an official missions event run by a member of the Catalyst Demo Team"

>>54692415
It's missions rules so priority gen

>>54692415
>>54692513
Also i think all missions events take place in Chicago for reasons

>>54687362
There's always been the implication that Humanis kept their hand ostentatiously clean, while secretly funding groups like Human Nation and Alamos to do the dirty work.

When the supposed cover organization is actually just another group that goes out on the streets and kicks trogs to death as soon as you get past the wafer-thin shell of 'does this guy actually hate?' It makes so sense for it to still survive as it is presented. Humanis literally funds candidates for elections, they can't have the majority of the member rolls be people who go out and commit hate crimes.

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>>54676501
why not cyborg gun arm

>>54692568
>they can't have the majority of the member rolls be people who go out and commit hate crimes.
Yes. And?

>>54692809
What's that from?

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>>54692809

>>54692816
So the fact that CT states outright that Humanis does a quick vetting and then starts you on street-level oppression, while completely avoiding any kind of discussion about the legal, public face of the only legal, public hate group, is bullshit and a huge wasted opportunity.

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>>54692923
009 Re:Cyborg (Anime)

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>enjoy the fluff and setting of the game
>love what our GM can do with it and all the neat shit he's thrown our way
>only enjoy playing Adepts, be they social butterflies, Kenshiro, or Solid Snakes
>the thought of playing a Decker, Rigger, or Technomancer makes me tired
>full-on Mages seem like boring OP cancer compared to Adepts
>Street Sam's seem ok, but being at .05 essence would make me feel obligated to play them as cyberpsychosis freaks
>Normies haven't had a bone thrown to them since forever, so even if I wanted to play McGuiver, he'd get killed in like 2 rounds if he was lucky, which doesn't seem super fun to me

Man, I've pigeon-holed my role in the group pretty damn hard

>>54693763
Have you tried playing a Mystic Adept?

>>54692809
When I give someone a cyborg gun arm, it's almost invariably a shotgun. It just makes too much sense, compared to other options. Honestly, I never fail to give a character with cyberlimbs at least one cyberweapon, generally speaking, even if it's just a Shock Hand.

>>54693793
I haven't yet, no. They seemed to be kinda rough to figure out in 5e, since they're a balancing act. Not totally sure how to go about making one that wouldn't just stumble over their own two feet in a lot of ways.

Any thoughts on how you would do a laser eye in Shadowrun?

>>54693892
Cybereyes with Laser Eye Augmentation
Should be in Chrome Flesh

>>54693842
>Not totally sure how to go about making one that wouldn't just stumble over their own two feet in a lot of ways.
Omae, where do you think you are?

>>54693933
Whoops, forget what I said. 5e only has a targeting laser, not damage laser. Guess they didn't port it over

>>54693763
>but being at .05 essence would make me feel obligated to play them as cyberpsychosis freaks
Cyberpsychosis is at the bottom of a long spiral down. Educate yourself on the realities of low essence, rather than going full memelord with it.

The simple truth is that low essence makes you susceptible to physical and mental health disorders, but does not strictly force your hand into going down that route. Force of personality (ie; not having shit willpower and/or charisma), therapy, social support, etc will go a long way towards preventing mental health breakdowns in low essence characters - and you don't only need one or two of those to keep you as you.

>>54693842
Usually for MysAds its best to choose whether you want to be a PhysAd with some Summoning/Spellcasting/Enchanting talent, or to be a Full Magician with a few choice Adept Powers. Then you just build appropriately. Chummer5a has a houserule for converting MysAd free spells to PP if you want to go Conjurer Adept and don't need the spells, with GM approval ofc.

>>54693991
If you're using Forbidden Arcana, you can legit RAW swap spells out for 5 karma to spend on Mastery Qualities.

>>54694078
*still subject to chargen positive quality limits

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>>54693811
my nigger but I mostly give them a flamethrower or a chainsaw, Shock Hand? that new to me.

>>54694348
Shock Hands were boss as fuck back in 4e, when Electricity damage was super overpowered. Back in 4e, every time you hit someone with shock damage, they had to make a special secondary Resistance test or else drop and flop for 2+Net Hits on the attack roll full combat turns. It was a real fight-ender - a bloody fantastic nonlethal weapon.

It's much less good in 5e. In 5e, it's usually something basic like the tried-and-true Spurs on a max-Strength cyberarm, a versatile shotgun-arm or something suppressed, or go full balls-out and slap a Fingertip Compartment Monowhip on there for some really killy fun.

So, is there anything a technomancer can't hack with skinlink? It seems like s pretty nifty way to bring down electric doors, subtly sabotage cars and suddenly ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of anything you're touching

>>54694688
No more than there's a way to prevent a decker to jack his datajack's universal connector cord in the device's port and do the same. The minor difference is that said port is sometimes less accessible.

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>>54694688
I'd prefer pic related if you're talking about being a stylish hackerman since
>>54694795
pointed out that you could just stick the cord into the datajack easier, and save your skin for some other aug.

>>54694397
You can free action attack with shock gloves, shock hands, shock fur when in a grapple or clinch, while shock weave allows you to deal 8S(e) when blocking (requires 2 rolled hits) or entering a grapple or clinch. (automatic damage)

Or you can just push someone's passage in with the shock ram.

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What game would you like to see modded into a Shadowrun game?

Additionally, I havent looked into 5ed ever since Rigger 5 came out. And the technomancer book was supposedly delayed.

Did any new technomancer content come out? I've always liked them but found them sub-optimal.

>>54695242
>Did any new technomancer content come out?
No. They continue to be the overwhelmingly least-supported Archetype of 5e.

>And the technomancer book was supposedly delayed.
Not just delayed - canceled. The former author is no longer authoring it. They're considering taking the content already produced and rolling it into a larger book as technomancer sections, but last I heard they're still in the consideration stages for that - not even started.

It will be years - plural - before we get anything on that front.

>What game would you like to see modded into a Shadowrun game?
Androids/clones. Manufactured people. Yes, it would definitely change the landscape of Shadowrun as the setting current exists today. Yes, I'd still like to see it happen anyway.

I want to see non-crapshoot AIs in the form of person-scale non-drone-body-hopping androids for some Blade Runner Replicant action. I want to see social upheaval and political uncertainty where personhood, civil rights, and resistance movements are concerned.

I think that's the least-tapped of all of the classic cyberpunk themes, and the one most ripe for injecting some of that old-fashioned political punk of classic Shadowrun back into the setting.

>>54695242
Data trails gave them a couple things I guess? Not very many of them are good. A couple noise interactions I guess.

>thinking 5e will ever stop being an awful mess long enough for technomancers to stop being terrible

>>54695521
Eh, at this point, 5e's better than 4e. The editing is worse, and there's some choice garbage-tier fluff, but it has more good options at this point, and fewer shitty mechanics books like WAR to boot. Plus, it plays better - except for the Matrix, but that's garbage in both modern editions.

The real problem is that nobody fucking likes technomancers. They know that a technomancer book will sell less than a book about literally any other archetype, so any time there's the slightest problem, they're much more willing to just scrap it and much less willing to waste pagecount in other books on them.

And because they're so unsupported, people continue to not fucking like them. It's a cyclical issue.

>>54695959
>The real problem is that nobody fucking likes technomancers
That's a self-fulfilling prophecy right there. You can't halfway shit up the fundamentals of something, expect people to like it, then take a reasonable smell check. It's going to smell like shit.

>>54696122
>And because they're so unsupported, people continue to not fucking like them. It's a cyclical issue.
Yup.

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>>54676501

HK XM30

For longer runs or runs in unknown territory, this is the weapon you want to have. For every problem, there is a solution.

>>54696325
>>For longer runs or runs in unknown territory, this is the weapon you want to have.
Why?

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Hm, most people take guns as their favorite weapon.

>>54696601
You can just swap out a couple parts and have either an AR, marksman rifle, or shotgun

>>54696325
Because when confronted with the unfamiliar, what you want is a box of parts that can be assembled into mediocre versions (especially with regards to damage) of a number of different weapons. The XM30 is only there for autists with too many weapon skills and that quality that makes you tard out if you can't use your favourite gun.

>>54696794
And for the same price, I can get an FNHAR, a Remington 950, and an Enfield and have superior firepower for the same price without worrying about having an illegal gun.

So, how much chrome should a Gunslinger Adept get?

>>54696847
Not the guy, but are you honestly saying it's better to carry 3 rifles than to carry 1?

>>54696934
Well you're carrying 1 rifle and a duffle bag full of spare parts

>>54696729
I mean I guess tits could be a good choice of weapon.

>>54696871
You should easily get by with sacrificing only a single point of Essence.

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Is the Ares Echo Unlimited worth the Nuyen or should I go down to a DR 4 deck?

>>54697104
I feel it's more of a brand loyalty option for deckers than anything else

>>54696946
Well according to the entry in Rund and Gun, it has the ability to mount 2 utilities as underbarrels.

So you can have a Carbine, with underslung shotgun and grenade launcher, while having two other barrels and ammo in a bag.

Seems pretty good for when you are going to need a lot of tactical flexibility. The main downside is having skill enough to use it effectively in the various configurations

>>54697137
How so? I'm mainly just interested in it because I wanted a DR5 deck and I mainly care about attack, so it's way more cost effective than a Cyber-5.

>>54695336
>more politics

anon pls, you know its just gonna end up with ai lives matter and we wuz peepl n sheeeet

>>54695336
If they hadn't poochie'd the monads, some of that might have happened.

>>54686193
>>54678626
The original has only one recoil spring. It's the fictional American version of the AN-94.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMssTSnRHU
It can fire two shots before it finishes recoiling. The top pic fires both at the same time.

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What's the best way to go about running the Shadowrun setting in a system that isn't a massive pile of shit?

>>54699243
You could slap something together out of Savage Worlds or GURPS. Or try crossing Cyberspace with Rolemaster, but that might fail the 'not a massive pile of shit' criterion, depending on your opinion of Rolemaster and its derivatives.

so, what does /tg/ think of the ork splat? I've been away for some time.

>>54685492
Changeling is nice.

>>54699243
>>54699272
What about houseruling Cyberpunk 2020

>>54699243
What don't you like about 5e?

>>54699500
You'd have to build most of the magic system yourself, same with the non-humans. There's a psionics system in the Ianus supplements, along with vampires and werewolves and ghosts and shit, so you could use those as a base.

>>54699424
Short Answer: It's shit

Long answer: It's REALLY shit, on both Fluff and Crunch
Fluff: Trog Lives Matter. That's basically the theme that permeates the book like a waft of Dimethylmercury. Only trogs are discriminated against. Orks can live as long as dwarves and elves, but don't because the mana is tainted unlike in the Congo. Only trogs should do anything against it, humans should stay away. There's a reason most here call it "The Total Nigger".

Crunch: Where to begin. Dozens of trog Jackpointers have been statted, but apparently by the interns. Clockwork has no knowledge of computers, Butch has no Knowledge:Anatomy, Bull had a 10 Karma quality introduced that allows orks to live human livespans. Too bad his own character apparently doesn't have it. Then the other qualities. One that gives Trogs free Squatter housing and reduces the price for low lifestyles. One that allows you to communicate with other trogs in infrasound grunts. And other such shit qualities.
Oh, and there's a new augmentation for orks and trolls that turns their tusks into antennas. Doubles the distances for noise. Yes, this does mean that a trog could hack without noise for about 200 km

>>54699556
Is this a trick question

>>54699809
why would it be

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>>54699243
>What's the best way to go about running the Shadowrun setting in a system that isn't a massive pile of shit?
Just not running it, probably.

Trying to adapt it to a new system would be a huge pain in the ass, a ton of shit lost in translation - it just wouldn't be worth the extremely considerable effort.

So, if you're not willing to run Shadowrun in Shadowrun, your best bet is to give up entirely.

If you really want to play Shadowrun so goddamn bad, and hate Shadowrun so goddamn bad, that you're really, actually willing to go to all of that effort? I think there's a GURPS conversion project that's been kicking its way across the internet for years now. I'd piggyback off of that.

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>>54699769
>Only trogs should do anything against it, humans should stay away.
That's literally just a line that 2XL throws out against Bull (who of course is an orc) when the latter suggests human runners being the ones to deal with a senator. The whole book is character assassination on 2XL, who even in his own writeup in the book is called out as anti-human.

>There's a reason most here call it "The Total Nigger".
No they don't, that's one faggot.

>>54699500
>less shit
but you're defeating the reason

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>>54699424
Could be a lot better. They took what might have been an opportunity to really do some interesting looks and underdeveloped parts of the setting and squandered most of it. There are some surprisingly useful parts (the section on Spain, Or'zet dictionary, the Biloxi Institute, Atlanta) but mostly it's not great.

The SCOPe is the only time they took the core message of 'people are racist to trogs, racism is bad' and really did something worthwhile with it, instead of making Nazi comparisons.

>>54700067
Cyberpunk 2020 has some serious issues but it's still not 4e or 5e shadowrun bad.

>>54699907
Shadowrun could be easily ran in plenty of systems like FATE and Savage Worlds

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>>54699769
>Butch has no Knowledge:Anatomy
But she does have 5 ranks in Biology and 5 in Medical Procedures, plus the active Medical skill. She can work it out.

What annoys me is stuff they missed, like Bull's quality or Sounder explicitly being called out as having a cybereye beneath a patch but they didn't include it in her augments.

>>54700070
>(the section on Spain, Or'zet dictionary, the Biloxi Institute, Atlanta
I'm curious how much of this is from the current writers, and how much they're just lifting from previous editions.

>Nazi comparisons
CGL does have a thing for poorly thought out nazi references ...

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>>54700736
Biloxi is new, Spain is updating the timeline, so all that is new writing. I can't find anything about Sweetwater Creek from 10 seconds on Google, so the Atlanta stuff may be new.

>>54700144
Never played Savage Worlds, but FATE sounds like a stretch. Big part of Shadowrun is equipment, augmentations and careful planning. How would you deal with Cyberware, Spells and varying weaponry? How would you deal with the fact that your players can alter the details of a run if the misplanned?

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>>54696729
That's because the melee weapons are very fucking bad. No way you're doing any damage with that shit AP on higher levels of play. Exceptions are like max STR melee trog builds.

My cyberknight almost got himself a laser claymore, the AP on that shit was fucking tasty.

So, /srg/
Favourite build?

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>>54702704
Chemical weapons and Assault Rifles. If you don't have 200 Seven-7 grenades, you aren't a real runner.

>>54702704
Never found anyone else that would GM Shadowrun. You have to be a special kind of crazy. But one day I intend to run a Technomancer by the book just to try to make one useful with creativity alone.

>>54703108
Anon, I felt the same thing until I played one. I quickly learned that your best bet is registering half a dozen machine sprites.

>>54703269
With puppeteer and being able to wipe your own overwatch score you can accrue marks well before the run and never have to log off. If I can be a hacker that doesn't have to waste any session time hacking stuff I'm sure the GM will ne glad for it.

I'm aware sprite mancer is the only "functional" way to play the class.

New to shadowrun, what edition do people use?

>>54703805
>what edition do people use?
People generally use 5th.
I use 4th.

>>54703828
Why use 4th over 5th? I guess I'm trying to understand the differences/pros and cons

>>54703851
Both are shit, use 3rd

>>54703860
>3e
overcomplicated shit
use 2e

>>54703851
>>54703860
>>54703867
Fuck, just bring it back to 1st edition. It's real cyberpunk.

>>54703851
I mean to be honest. most arguments you're gonna get are going to be pretty biased. In the Pastebin in the OP there's a thing called "New GM advice" that takes up some differences, but even that is a bit biased in my opinion.

I tried two campaigns in 5th as a player and I just didn't get the feel for it. 4th was where I started, it felt like you had more freedom in 4th, and unlike most people I had no problems with the Matrix part. Add to that the fact that I own all the core books and some supplements for 4th and there's really no reason for me to go over to 5th. New doesn't equal better for me.

>>54702747
0.15 essence builds

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>>54704058
>not .01 essence build

>>54702704
>>54704058
>>54704386
A full cyberlimb replacement runner that's viable in combat because it actually has initiative/reaction/action economy/whathaveyou enhancement worth mentioning. So something that isn't possible under normal circumstances.

>>54704477
You can, you just need sum to 10.

>>54704477
Drugs omae

>>54704648
How does Sum to 10 help that in comparison to any other character creation method?

>>54704652
I'm not sure if relying on Jazz is the most fantastic idea anon

>all the music stuff in the pastebin is kinda sparse and some links dont work
Does the pastebin get updated often? At all?

>>54704828
You can have A in Attributes and A in Money if you take E in magic and E in metatype iirc. C Skills is enough to get a combat role up.

>>54704828
>>54704477
Take Black Market Pipeline, Redliner and you can have four cyberlimbs, arms at 10 AGI and STR 8, Legs are gonna be meh at 8 8

>>54704901
Not him, but I think the perceived issue is that even with Sum to 10 you can't get the money/essence to get, say, cyberarms, legs, and torso + wired reflexes or synaptic boosters. To my knowledge the only real good way to get significant enhancement while being chromed to shit is what >>54704652 suggested.

>>54705078
Well, you're not getting wired Reflexes and a cyber torso at the the same time. Even if you could afford it (you can't) That is an untenable amount of essence loss. To get full imbs and decent initiative, you pretty much have to abuse way of the burnout or abuse born rich.

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>>54705078
Maybe not a cybertorso but my smart-sam build has four cyberlimbs, cybereyes, Synaptic boosters 2, cybereyes and Cerebral boosters 1

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>>54704477
It's doable,depending on what you define as worth mentioning. Sure you don't have adept initiative, but they don't have your stats/armour.

>>54704948
How does black market pipeline help exactly?

>>54705277
10% reduction to cyberware cost if you pick Cyberware dealer as a contact.

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>>54705137
>two sets of cybereyes
>spooky spider street sam

>>54705078
If you take four limbs, you can make do with drugs for initiative right?

>>54705302
Doesn't it only work post chargen?

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>>54705490
Doesn't say that anywhere so doesnt' seem like it.

>>54705244
>>54704477

Here's my full build in comparison. I went with a more tank-Smarts aspect rather than full on terminator, but once you get the limbs and the basics, you can start playing with different ideas.

It's very niche but it's one of those builds that can get way better very quickly cause you don't need as much karma as you need nuyen for upgrades.

Qhat is the best weapon for a mage? Handgun, SMG, Rifle/Shotgun, Taser, or the manablade thing from Hard Targets?

>>54705574
It says purchased through the contact, so you probably have to actually interact in-game to benefit from it.

>>54705574
Anything like that is obviously post char gen. Starting cash isn't how much your character has spent, it's what your stuff is worth.

>>54695959
Speaking for myself, I've hated Technomancers since they were introduced as Otaku back in 3rd. They can continue to not give technos any new content and I won't complain.

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>>54706305

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>>54705748
Anything you can use for suppressing fire, when you get in full combat. Taser for everywhere else, it's legal.

>>54706305
The genie is out of the bottle, if they're going to exist they should do them properly, or else just have the balls to retcon them, not make them shit so no-one will play them.

>>54706528
Good taser recommendation?

>>54676501
I know this isnt going to be a popular opinion, but the Tiffany Bracer is cool as fuck, it has a lot of downsides but its still cool as fuck & i really need to find some kind of character & build where it would make sense to get it

>>54676501
Hoi chummers

My group is holed up in some pseudo-Stalingrad hellhole in Eastern Siberia with an urgent need to fortify ourselves a building.

Any advice?

We've got
>One month prep-time
>Three MAG 8 casters; one mage one shaman and one Jewish alchemist
>400k Nuyen (but anything has to be smuggled through the front lines, concrete and AKs are easy, SAMs and obscure electronics are possible but expensive)
>1 cybered-up troll commando, a shapeshifting Fey face, a crusading adept and 37 able bodied conscripts

We need to be able to fend off foes beginning with ghouls and battle-hardened but poorly-supplied conscripts but probably ending with bleeding-edge corp strike teams.

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>>54706604
Yamaha Pulsar puts more darts down faster, but EX Shocker is slightly stronger and can be used as a hand taser when you run out of ammunition.
I usually pick the latter.

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>>54706765
Forgot pic as tribute

>>54706566
Define properly. They have rules that aren't any more or less broken than decking, rigging or magic, and there is enough detail to them to give you more than one way to run them. Great, they're in the game and are usable. That looks pretty proper to me. Like other anons have said I'd rather they flesh out unexplored parts of the 6th world and groups there in.

hey guys i need some help building a Throwing weapons Adept in 5e
Priority system character creation and no hoserules as far as a know
I never played the game before so any tips are welcome

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>>54706765
Do you have time later on to repair, resupply, and get things ready, or is this going to be wave combat where the GM locks everything down and throws bodies at you until you die or get past 99 stages?

Because the defenses that could be erected to deter ghouls and mass infantry are very different from what's necessary to resist a proper army unit, and is again vastly different from something to stop Seraphim and Red Samurai. The only general advice is to spend a ton on reagents for your mages and hope the GM doesn't apply Background Count for the literal killing fields you are building, and to get a fuckload of medical supplies and autodocs into a basement.

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>>54707148
Throwing is hard to build a character around, instead of as a side-gig for a melee combatant. Pump STR to an unhealthy degree, and AGI. Go Orc for preference.

Urban Tribe Tomahawk is your top-tier weapon - expensive, but hits well, hide well, and can be used close up. Get a couple. Shurikens can be fun if you chuck them by the handful.

Grenades are the obvious choice to build around, but be very careful how you do it. Flashbangs, gas grenades, and smoke grenades can be fun and debilitating. When you start using lethal grenades on the regular, you are opening the team up for retaliation on the same path, and you are not going to win a chunky salsa fight with the GM.

>>54705443
Then you install a single cybereye mod in each, so they're fully functional cyber eyes.

>>54707357
>Urban Tribe Tomahawk
just checked the books
so Urban Tribe Tomahawk is avail 4 while regular shuriken is avail 4(R)
Is that an error?

>>54707554
Gotta let them keep their Tomahawks. Don't want another great ghost dance

>>54706877
Being able to perform the basic function of their role, by being able to form PANs (meaning they can't protect a team's gear from the matrix), by having their drain values fixed so half their complex forms aren't useless and so they have one viable build, by fixing the glaring typo in their submergence formula. Oh and by actually delivering the promised support in line with other archetypes, rather than allowing this book to languish for months before bothering to call it dead.

>>54707579
A Tomahawk is also a tool, so it gets into a grey area whereas a shuriken is unambiguously a weapon. Either way carrying multiple Tomohawks on display is going to raise flags for an attentive security officer.

>>54707554
>>54707690
Yah. People get hung up on whether something is legal, restricted, or not ... that's only a slim part of the situation. What you're doing and specific restrictions of that area are often more important than whether you have a license or not.

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>>54706808
Are tasers effective? I've only used a Light Fire 75 with capsule rounds for that kind of thing.
Maciej Kuciara is a god.

>>54706765
Reagents and high Force spirits are your friend. Force 12+ is imune to almost anything non magical so can deal with ghouls and regular recruits.
For the top sec forces set the city in circles and wire explosives in them.
Once a circle is breached fall back and blow it all to hell.
Corp mages would be a problem so I suggest you make a unit to operate behind the enemy lines. Mark mages and rigger Command Centers, take them out and run.
Ton of jammers would help disrupting coms

>>54707294
>Do you have time later on to repair, resupply, and get things ready, or is this going to be wave combat where the GM locks everything down and throws bodies at you until you die or get past 99 stages?
I imagine we'll haave time to repair and resupply if we can kill everyone in a particular wave ... but they won't just run into our guns like retards. Once anyone who runs towards our fortress gets cut down I imagine they'll start setting up their own barricades down the street or in neighbouring buildings if we give them the opportunity. Try to keep us under constant sniper fire etc until some new hotshot officer arrives with enough authority to force them back into our firing lines.
To do any external repairs between waves would need us to send our own teams out to clear their sniper nests etc or just maybe must enough suppressive fire to keep them all on the floor for moment or two.
Actually though, the ghouls won't be on anyone's side so we could potentially use their attacks to do any external repairs needed.

Really though, it's the proper army units and potentially Red Samurai that I'm most nervous about keeping out.

>>54708007
>For the top sec forces set the city in circles and wire explosives in them.
Given the urban environment and our relatively limited forces I'm not sure we'd have the numbers to conduct a proper defense in depth like that. Will definitely rig the streets and surrounding buildings/rubble to blow though.
>Tons of jammers
Will do.
>Make a unit to operate behind the enemy lines
Hmm, what do you think about tunnels? See if we can get access to the sewers and use that as a sally port if/when enemy spirits start coming at us.

>>54709189
fucking shifters
Should all be extinguished

>>54707148
A/B/D/C/E or A/C/D/B/E can work for priority builds, but it looks a little weird. You spend your 5 special attribute points on Maxing your magic and getting 2 edge. Missile Mastery and Rapid Draw are great. Then you can pick if you want more skills or attributes. Grab some Throwing Stars and some Boomerangs. The Tomahawks are slightly better, but the trog life is a poor one.

In career you'll focus on getting decent gear, initiating, and maybe training a close combat skill.

>>54710758
Fuck you omae

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>>54711615
Dogs are pets, not people.

>>54711615
What're you gonna do, growl at me angrily?
Remember that your mundane brothers and sisters are only alive because we restrained ourself from just killing you.

>>54711700
>>54711705
ow, the edge

I was looking through Forbidden arcana and it made mention of a Psionicist Tradition. I been doing some digging and I've yet to have any idea where that comes from, can someone points me in the right direction?

>>54711818
Try looking at Street Grimoire?

>>54711818
Can't find it right now in 5e, but 4e had some information in their Magic Book

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>>54711818
Shadow Spells, p5. The tradition for douchebags.

>>54711861
Cool thanks. The worst part about the tradition is the progenitor is French. I guess I can make a Quebecois sinner.

>>54707874
Where is this from?

>>54711861
How do runners keep their teeth white? I can imagine toothbrushes aren't high priority in most places games take place like the barrens and stuff.

>>54711705
Yeah sure, that's why people hole up in sprawls and try to avoid actual nature since the awakening.

>What're you gonna do, growl at me angrily?

Maybe steal your banana, maybe melt your face of with one to three force 8 fireball(s), depending on my mood.

>>54712480

You know, you're right. We should just start dropping rocks from outside the manasphere to flatten everything and rebuild a biosphere with the only aim of supporting humans. Fuck Nature, it's survival of the fittest and Green Momma is no longer on top.

>>54712613
>"what are you gonna do animal boy?"
"Actually i have following methods at my disposal"
>"Nu-uh me and my breeder buddys (of which i just assume will go along with it aaand i need to bring into this argument since i find myself lacking) have teknology to kill nature ded and make it better.

Top kek. Sure breeder boy, get your buddies and technology to help you. I mean, that's why you have sprawls.

In Chummer 5e, is there a way to set it to ignore character creation rules after you've made the character? I've got a few PCs that want to go 1-3 karma over for various reasons.

>>54712792
And by the same token, I'm sure your shifter buddies will just love having you antagonize humans with their guns and SevenSeven to start pogroms.

I mean, I know you're only an animal, but you should at least try to leverage the enhanced reasoning a human brain allows you.

>>54712792
>"Actually I have following methods at my disposal"
"Well we have our own methods"
>"Nu-uh, you can't use those. They don't count. I'm still better. Bla Bla Bla"
Stay mad, bitch.

>>54709169
Hmm you are right
So abandon thinking Defence of Stalingrad and switch to partisan fighting.
You can keep out the other forces with standard fighting but not the millitary. Too well supplied, trained and generally better. So let them in the city. Then make it a living hell for them.
Expand on the tunnels idea to the city itself. Learn every nook and cranny. Attack them then quickly disappear. Jamm so they can't scout properly and communicate.
Your goal would be not to win but make the operation cost too much. Like how the Russians pulled out from Afganistan after the jihadist started shooting down Helos.
The Stiker is you base rocket launcher so get some of those. Yakusoku if you wanna go for overkill of Long Burst Missile Barrage as complex action.

>>54712361
If you can't maintain your teeth, you buy new ones.

>>54712821
If everything else is set, you can just push it to campaign mode and add some karma.

>>54701452
I'd also say if your playing a mage having a melee weapon for anti spirit builds and meta critter builds its super important to have a melee weapon on you.
Parrying can and will save your life especially when your going up against nasty critters and spirits that do all there damage through melee.

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>>54712341
https://www.instagram.com/maciejkuciara/

>>54712875
>Stay mad bitch

Point of order, wouldn't dog shifters -like- humans? Or are only wild animals shifters?

>>54713119
I'm pretty sure that both wild and domesticated animals can be born shifters.

>>54713164
...A corgi shifter sounds adorable..is that racist?

>>54713194
Is calling a small japanese girl adorable racist?
Same answer

Oh, and it's "specieist".

>>54713194
Canonically these have yet to have been found. They might exist, but there's no evidence that they do exist.

>Medium and large breed dogs are the only known shapeshifters—no poodle or chihuahua shifters have been discovered yet.

>>54713071
cool, thanks
I hoped for a real Comic, but the drawings are still very nice.

>>54713431

Corgis are like, 30-40 pounds man, they're not little 8 pound anklebiters. They're herding dogs.

This makes me wonder: What would the various awakened dog breeds be like?
We know GSD turn into hellhounds and english mastiffs turn into barghests. And we also had an idea for pugs.
What powers should an awakened St. Bernards dog get? Or awakened pitbulls?

>>54714743
Awakened St. Bernards can only cast Health Spells and summon Guardian Spirits. Popular with DocWagon and their competitors. Also very cute and slobbery.

I want to make a Street Samurai that's completely fucking unstoppable - just ignores anything thrown at him. Think Terminator, or the villain of a slasher movie. How do I make this happen?

>>54715079
Play a cyberzombie. Its basically exactly what you want

>>54715010
>Awakened St. Bernards can [...] summon Guardian Spirits.
WHAT? OP pls nerf

>>54715079
Get your soak as high as possible, get a chem. seal, hope your mage is good at counterspelling

>>54715119
>Play a cyberzombie. Its basically exactly what you want
That's not a playable option.

>>54715120
>Get your soak as high as possible, get a chem. seal, hope your mage is good at counterspelling
What about things like a Trauma Damper, Platelet Factories, Pain Editor? I know the basics - I'm hoping for specifics.

>>54715195
Repeating, cyberzombe. The sort of unstoppable bullshit you want to play isn't really doable as a player.

Have fun GMing.

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>>54696729
Is this Not!Baiken?

>>54715303
There are a few different builds you can get out of chargen with that have stupid soak. You don't need to be a cyberzombie, just a troll.

>>54681068
5e if you want to stay current.

4e if you want to jump right in, and you intend to keep your characters for a while.

5e is a poorly organized mess, and the rules are designed to be more lethal to your characters if/when drek hits the fan. Somebody cobbled together an SRD wiki that needs some love, if you get lost in the rulebooks.

4e has the 20A ed. core, and it's actually pretty well organized, and references to supplements, so you should find that one rule without too much trouble.

>>54691701
This post drove me to add "Casual anti-Semitism." to my Cards Against Humanity set.

Say you were to actually use hit locations in Shadowrun, would you prefer it simple (Head, Torso, Arms, Legs) or would you prefer something even more in depth.
Only hit location houserule I ever found was one from 3rd Edition and he went pretty wild with the number of locations.

>>54692374
Mossad is pretty good as an intelligence agency, but they're not amazing to the level their reputation implies. If the rumors were true, they would possibly be run by Big Brother and use a private army of James Bond clones for fieldwork.

Bringing this back to your comment, let's take a moment for how meta the Mossad angle might be.

>>54693892
Might have to do some math to port a welding laser from the 4e Augmentation book into 5e, and just get it put into the cybereye.

>>54694688
A rotodrone on a tether for a direct link, but that presents other problems for the rigger using it.

A car on the move and with wireless turned off.

Also, anything out of reach and where a ladder would be impractical or suspicious.

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>>54677312
>thumb safety
>on the slide
>blade sight
>at the rear

Wilfully obtuse noguns confirmed.

>>54695336
They laid the groundwork for clones, at least. There had been a blurb or two about "wimps", the clones with a severely stripped down nervous system kept in place for autonomic maintenance while their organs cultivate for harvesting. Full, sapient clones haven't been perfected yet, IIRC.

And there's actually been a low-key civil rights equivalent for wimps, protesting using wimps in the same way people protest factory farming today. They're not so much for equal rights as much as opposing the practice, wanting minimized suffering and inhumane treatment for something that's going to be consumed regardless.

Also, if you count Dragonfall as canon, Aztechnology has cloning down, and that opens the door for other megas to have developed the technology independently, stole it, or reverse engineered it from similar tech/data. Though the question is why would they bother if they don't need cattle for blood magic.

>>54717242
>Aztechnology has cloning down
Eh. Those clones weren't quite what I'd call 'down.' More functional than a Wimp, but not functional as intact people.

>>54697618
Remind me about the monads?

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>>54715718
Don't even have to be a troll, you can get to pretty high Levels as a human.

>>54715079
I posted some pointers here:
>>54630177

and here:
>>54630416

Ressources A), 2 of the 4 limbs Alphaware, Plastic Bonelacing Alpha, Synaptic Blabla LvL 2 for ini, armor in the limbs, and Bioware Compatibility (Cyberware) is a good start.

>>54699769
>>54699961
>White guilt
>Straw man argumentation
>Poor reasoning
>Poorer oganization
>Pandering to minority de jour
>Hugely playing up "trog rights is an analogy to civil rights"

Did CGL just go total SJW on us?

>>54717497

Maybe.

They're going so hard into it I'm not sure if it's just them failing at satire.

>>54717399
I love this but Velma should have been a dwarf not a troll.

>>54705132
Deltaware, omae.

Too bad you can only start with alphaware.

>>54699769
...From their teeth.

Really?

...I'd say that I would have pointed out how dumb that was if it was in the chapter I edited, but since some of the stupid shit you mentioned was in the chapter I edited, I've clearly already fucked up.

>>54717816
I don't understand why teeth were what was decided upon instead of horns. If it were horns, then it would at least make a little sense.

>>54717838
I'd call it still a little weird either way. I'm guessing they decided on teeth so that orcs could take it too?

>>54705748
If you're talking about killin' stuff, manablade from Hard Targets is pretty tasty. Decent damage and straight up ignores armor. Bad news is that it means you need passable melee skill and getting up close while people are trying to geek you.

If you mean general use, then stunbolt, taser, and stick'n'shock ammo are great weapons. They're perfectly legal; and, unless you're group is trying to cultivate the stone cold killer rep, then it's generally accepted advice to use nonlethal means where you can.

Megacorps look more favorably on leaving unconscious bodies behind rather than dead ones. It speaks a certain amount of professionalism to keep things impersonal, and clean up and cover up are less expensive than paying out compensation to loved ones and explaining how and why a paramilitant group attacked your facility rather than a common criminal group came in for a simple smash and grab.

>>54706566
Unless they pull some Matric 3.0 bullshit and declare all Technomancers are now obsolete and can't function.

It'd be more of a stretch than Houdini pulling a rabbit out of his ass while in one of those straitjackets, but imagine 20 years down the line, your runners have to contact some hermit in a junkyard, tooling around with old tech that he can command with his brain.

>>54706627
I would agree that the concept is cool, but the item itself is pretty garbage. It's meant to be a holdout concealable in plain sight, but one shot to the non-replaceable mag, light damage, no AP...it's pretty awful even for a holdout.

Here's an idea, talk to your GM, and if things go well, he'll let you make a one off or you'll get a matrix news notification, "Ares releases a new line of 'gun bracers', designed to keep you secure while keeping your hands free with a magazine designed to wrap around the forearms. Models include with inbuilt heavy pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun..."

>>54712361
If you're a decent runner even at the street level, your squat will have running water, you could probably afford a water filter, soy-tooth whitener, and a good, slightly used toothbrush from the secondary market.

>>54705132
you don't need a cyber torso for limbs
Nobody wants a cyber Torso anyway, its utter crap.

>>54717872
I was thinking of using it as a weapon of last resort. A have a face/mage who isnt going to have much in the way of combat, but i do want an ace in the hole weapon/attack that isnt traditional mage stuff that someone could shut down with a single save

>>54718455
Unless you put casemods and steamers on it, then it's stylish.

>>54718461

Just use an assault rifle. Even if you don't use it as a primary weapon, have it out so you don't visually scream 'I'm a mage, geek me!'

It's like you want to make a new character each run.

>>54717035
Don't forget the firing pin being some kind of bullshit aim assist thing, apparently.

>>54718455
Who in the hell decides yep im gonna chop out my middle but keep the flesh limbs? No self respecting street sam wants that chrome.

>>54718526
I planned on just using a taser for most of the time. I just want something shiny & cool & powerful.

>>54718643
Well friend, can I interest you in a Yamaha Raiden or Ares Alpha? The pre-errata Rainforest Carbine is also a wonderfully shiny cool and powerful gun omae.

>>54718090
I know. Somekimd of forearm guard with a capacity that you could pop a small decent gun in. Who doesnt like a wristmounted pistol, machine pistol, or rocketlauncher?

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It seems like the publishers don't even give a shit about their own product when they release low quality, poorly edited books. Does this game even have a future? I'm spending all this time beating my head against a wall trying to learn all these rules and convincing my group to play. Is it even worth investing the time?

>>54718742
>Somekimd of forearm guard with a capacity that you could pop a small decent gun in.

A gun like this is actually in Hard Targets

>>54714192
>I hoped for a real Comic
Showtime (which is what that is) is still in the works, but will be some sort of comic/graphic novel thing.

>>54676501
I need some help.
Since Boston has a special place in our hearts and are now starting new with 5th edition but still want to run in boston, we are probably ignore Lockdown and do our own thing.
So... now someone mentioned the new english wasteland some time ago... does anyone have anything on that?

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>>54719660
You have no idea how fast I tried to throw money at my monitor before I learned the comic wasn't done yet. I WANT IT.

>>54717288
Well, they were adult, walking, talking, fully biologically viable humans. Just because they didn't have the brainpower or wherewithal to fit in with society doesn't mean the Azzies weren't successful in cloning a biologically functional human.

Fuck it I'll just learn to play eclipse phase instead

>>54718999
Sure. Hell, /40krpg/ is dealing with the whole "dead system" thing, and people still form games all the time.

Hell, apply the Golden Rule of 40k to SR if your really need to: Canon is what you say it is. Given SR has just about as much inconsistencies and contradictions as 40k at this point, its an excellent candidate for Selective Canon.

>>54718736
Anything smaller? Id like for it to be relatively hidden.

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>>54712821
There a reason you can't just issue them karma?

/tg/, I need your help. I need pictures of cute Ork girls, for reasons, and I need them quick.

>>54721720
Ask again next thread, chummer. this one's about to die, and it'll make a good start for the new thread.

>>54720921
HK MP75 (check it in chummer).

>>54722068
Where is it?

>>54718531
Did you not look at the picture? The gun is crap for the safety alone, but the purple dot below the firing pin projects the hologram targeting bs. If you're looking above that, you're doing it wrong.

>>54714576
I don't recall saying corgis can or cannot be taken with that direct quote from the book and no additional text, so anything you assumed was an opinion either way is on you.

>>54717321
CFD AIs.

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Poochie

>>54718999
I'm sticking to 4th, it has everything I need to play. Just because they don't release new stuff for it doesn't make it any less of a complete roleplaying experience. At this point 5th should be there too.

>>54722773
I'm saying putting something as delicate sounding as that on or near the firing pin is stupid as fuck.

>>54722877
Ah. Well then, carry on, and dubs observed.