/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>54660012
>When is Beckett's Jyhad Diary supposed to come out and has anyone seen what it's like thus far?
Never.

The Dark Eras 2 Kickstarter is kind of disappointing me. None of the Eras are really grabbing me.

Thousand Years of Night WHEN?

>>54660038
I'm pretty hyped for Mage/Geist pirates and King Arthur's Brittania.

>>54660070
https://mega.nz/#!RDBnCayI!SNvHO9fRLsBH72C9LUs6sOFziW-66c_DWq_EjFUZY6w

Beta version I laid hands on.

So is there just a total stall on production or what? When can we expect new content?

>>54660105

Why did you link Wiedzmin (in Polish at that)? Or was that some kind of joke?

>>54660162
Standard response to anyone who asks about PDFs or WHEN in capitals for shit nobody knows about.

>>54660182

Since when? I've only been gone from this general for the last two months.

>>54660198
Since whenever I see a post like that and link to a polish copy of the Witcher?

>>54660214

Well, joke's on you, I like Wiedzmin and I can read Polish.

>somebody asks about content
>post polish witcher
I don't get the joke.

>>54660257

I think he was counting on me not knowing Polish, but also he might be genuinely autistic and this 'joke' only makes sense to himself.

>>54660070
http://www.mediafire.com/file/db3j9qwcbs8s7l7/Vampire+the+Requiem+-+Thousand+Years+of+Night.pdf

>>54660182
Someone linked it over a month ago senpai, step it up

>>54660224
Well, then finish the translation because I sure as fuck can't and I want to start shitposting about mages from the Witcher too.

>>54660328

Cheers, anon. Anything else come out in the past two months for oWoD? I figured I might as well update the oWoD Mega if that's the case.

Does anybody else feel like it's too easy to cast with your Inferior Arcanum once you pony up the xp to learn it? I mean, it's supposed to be an element nearly non-existent to your Path, but you can still cast it like any Common Arcana.

>>54660153

Same as pretty much any RPG company these days: when it's done. Aside from certain indies run by a single person, I am hard pressed to name a single company that's actually put out consistent content relatively on time.

>>54660409
No use complaining, mages are easy modo thats the way its supposed to be. Thats why withstand was changed from Splattribute to some shitty stat

>>54660153
>So is there just a total stall on production or what? When can we expect new content?
Dark Ages Companion, Book of Secrets, Building a Legend, CtDreaming Anthology and Thousand years of Night just came out
there's slowdown near gencon, in 2 weeks

>>54660522
It's not a power level thing but a fluff thing. Just seems inconsistent.

Daily reminder that Vampires are the cockroaches of the nWoD and will stay that way for the foreseeable future.

>>54660886

So what? It's still the most played game in both oWoD and nWoD. Does that really bother you that much?

>>54660906
Unfortunately people with terrible taste are abundant. It's just a fact of life.

>>54660931

And it's a fact of life that your game will literally never, ever be discussed as much as Vampire. Why be so salty about it instead of actually trying to garner some sort of discussion about whatever you play?

>>54660946
Have you checked the thread counts on the opp forum?

>>54660886
yeah, it is pretty cool, agreed

>>54660969

Why would I go there in the first place?

>>54660946
I'm not bothered by it. I'm not the anon who called vampires cockroaches, although even if I was that as still just an assumption you threw out defensively.

Believe it or not, more than one person dislikes Vampire. More than two, even.

>>54661019

And that's fine. No one is telling you you have to like a game just because it's got more players/people talking about it. The way he went about it however has been absolutely stupid and most likely trying to instigate some kind of flame war. I don't really give a shit myself, I play Mage and Vampire from time to time, but enjoy reading the fluff of other splats (minus Beast).

>>54660989
Then how can you even suggest that people discuss vampire more than anything else without looking at one example of evidence that proves you wrong...


Fuck off faggot.

>>54660906
Why does pointing out a simple fact make you so defensive?

>>54661059

Because I wasn't referring to those forums in the first place, nor were they mentioned before that post brought them up. Why would I give a shit about some forum that I don't even browse?

>>54661039
>acknowledge he was probably baiting
>but still replies

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>>54661059
>evidence
That's lib talk right there. and we don't take kindly to those who assert the LIE around here. Get the shotguns boys

>>54661096
>exarchs created religion, capitalism, racism, nationalism(as if those two weren't the same) and oppression in general
>its those gall-durned liberals who serve the lie
um no sweetie

>>54661096
I'm seriously still waiting for somebody to tell me if these pics are supposed to actually be an insult to magefags, because as a magefag I just think they're hilarious.

>>54661135
But who created alcoholism?

>>54661176
Cain, to take his mind off of how lousy his kids were

>>54660097
What are the other ones planned ?

>>54661228
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/chronicles-of-darkness-dark-eras-2

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>>54661135
THOse Damn libs are trying to turn all us faggy so we stop reproducing Haven't you figured it out already? Repressing birthrates is the first step. Less people to oppose their agenda! All evidence from the fallen world is straight up LIE from the' masters' feeding the simples. WAKE UP

>>54661084
Then show us your evidence that vampire is talked about more than other games and dont include the twilight sites you frequent.

Otherwise shut up and accept that some people hate vampire and its not the #1 fucking thing around.

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>>54661259
Do you guys integrate world leaders or the 4th Reich or other real world events into your games?

>>54661269
>what is the top selling white wolf rpg?
Vampire I thought that was obvious. In a capitalist system money = interest.

>>54661309
is it tho? citation needed.

>>54660328
Is that preview version or final?

Which reminds me, does someone have final version of PtC 2e?

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>>54661309
But reality has a mage-wing bias

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>>54661295
The Enemy Is not the leaders. those are the puppets sad theater to placate the ruling class. Kings in gilded cages. SEERs get shit on. No The REAL enemy is the local radio talk shows. that and school teachers. And the priest and The mail man. Trying to deliver there "INFORMATION." nothing but propaganda from the LIE. I've been on a crusade to save the paper boy's from their sorry fate. But it's of no use. Thse LIE has infected them too.

>>54661255
Thanks

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>>54661373
>Awakening more popular than both Vampire games
And all is right with the world.

>>54660538
What the fuck is Building a Legend?

>>54661435
It's the book where they try and fail to make Beast less shit

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>>54661373
And dnd is played more than white wolf. you going to cry? I bet you're going to cry

>>54661435
A book about chronicle building in the same vein as Damnation City but not as good because its a bit Beast focused.

>>54661470
The vamproach accuses you of crying while choking back bitter tears

>>54661489
There is literally nothing wrong with Beast

>>54661470
Why would anybody cry about that?

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>>54661373
According to this Mage doesn't even beat out BigEyesSmallMouth

>>54661543
You need to go back

>>54661558
yeah you need to go back to redoubleDit

>>54661543
What website?

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>>54661532
Us elite class D&D players look down upon your silly 'story' game. Your silly paths of nonsence.

>>54661516
The hack job half rewrite leaving origins inconsistent and super boring gaslighting 'teaching' they shoved in with it begs to differ.

>>54661612
>doesn't know google
well if you're going to play dumb. I can't help you. but don't worry school doesn't start for another month or so, so your teachers aren't going to beat your hide red yet

>>54661682
Do your teachers beat you in your country? How barbaric.

>>54661682
>google
Neither of those images turn up drivethrurpg as the source when you search for them.

>>54661269

>Then show us your evidence that vampire is talked about more than other games and dont include the twilight sites you frequent.

I was talking about this general, you dumb fucking cunt. Why the fuck would I reference some outside sites when we're here in the first place?

>>54661799
Mage is most talked about on this general you dumb fucking cunt. #Magesupremacy

>>54661799
Mage is talked about here way more than Vampire. More than any other splat.

>>54661839
>>54661847

I talk about Mage too, so I don't lose out either way. But shitposting about Mage =/= discussing Mage.

>>54661865
nice back pedaling

your such a fag

>>54661885

>back pedaling

I already mentioned earlier that I play Mage and Vampire, but then again, can't expect people to keep track of anyone here when we're all anonymous.

But anyway, how autistic are you? Or rather, how fucking worthless is your life that you persist with this kind of shitposting?

>>54661333
Just the preview, I think

>>54661910
You were wrong, i dont give a fuck what you mentioned. Stop spreading aids. If your going to post at least have the fucking decency to have your facts right

What has you playing mage and vampire got to do with the fact you were wrong, it doesnt make you less wrong does it?

>>54661961

>you were wrong

Not at all. Overall, Vampire is the best known WoD game and most played too. Current sales might have shifted a bit towards other things, for whatever reasons, but they always swing back to Vampire, be it Masquerade or Requiem.

>>54661981
Oh so we on to using other sites now? I thought it was on general you fucking goal post shifting shitler

>>54662004

I'm sorry, I can't keep track of who's who, I figured you were the guy who was posting DTR screenshots. But yeah, even just by going by this general, Vampire is the most talked about.

>>54662039
hahahahahahahahahahaha, now i know you are trolling

>>54661516

There is literally nothing right with Beast

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Anyone ever notice how there's no mage larps, but a shit ton of vampire larps?

>>54662039
Vampire is only talked about when people shit the bread. so all the time in this thread

>>54662139

Regardless of my love for Mage, Mage is talked about much in the same regard, or have you somehow missed out on all the Mage shitposting in the past year or so?

>>54662139

Thats because masturbating in public places tends to be a felony

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>>54661543
>V20
>Changeling
>Geist
>both Hunters
>Demon
Based spics.

>>54662101
All the books published for Mage Larp were bad.
The NWoD book just ported over vampires weird politic voting system that didn't really mesh with Mage. And ritual spell casting doesn't really mesh with LARPing.
The OWoD LARP books attempted to simplify the 1-5 system into 3 tiers of powers which just didn't match with mage so it ended with with a poorly made hack of the Vampire MET system.

There has never been good published rules for a Mage LARP.

I've played in two, one NWoD and one OWoD with massive rules adaptions to use NWoD spell casting. They worked well, but Mage has the highest buy in for new players and requires a level of system mastery above and beyond every other WoD line to get the verisimilitude going.

I'm still hoping by night studios puts out a version with good rules, but after the flatness they applied to werewolf eaving everything samey and that they've decided to do a far less popular game first, Dreaming, leave me not holding my breath for it.

>>54662227
>They worked well
Not rules wise, those still ended up being kinda a mess and bogged down play.
I mean they worked well as in they were fun. They didn't work well because they weren't approachable to new people (as well as some animosity among other people in the community towards the ST and mage in general (they were vampfags with double hat boners) so people shit talked it without knowing anything about it.)

>>54662190
It's not spics, in english version it's identical. Difference is that this is under the head f White Wolf Publishing while the previous one was under Onyx Path. So this one has only old stuff that probably no one really buys.

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vamp video games 1
mage video games 0

>>54662475
Technically there's 3 vampire games and 1 mage game
>VtM: Redemption
>VtM: Bloodlines
>VtM: We Eat Blood And All Our Friends Are Dead
>MtA: Refuge

As far as officially made, specifically oWoD games go, at least

>>54662475
>crap game

Can only be played with fanmade patches

>>54662475
I don't get this meme. Every time I've played the game, fan mods or not, its just an unplayable crashing mess. Why would you reinstall a game that doesn't even run stably?

>>54662549
It's a cult classic. It has a dedicated fanbase.

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>only like Hunter
>it never gets discussed

Also, I heard that supernatural resistance in Hurt Locker doesn't apply as resistence against spells targeting the character who has the merit since most you only resist with resolve. Is that true? If so, I made a really shit witch hunter for next session

>>54662561
How can you be a fan of a game that doesn't even run?

>>54662607
Ask Masqueradefags.

>>54662564
Spells are only withstood with whatever their withstand stat/thing is. Its never a supernatural resistance. ie if resolve is a spells withstand rating then you need a potency > resolve to affect the person

>>54662564
Nope, your fucked.

Beast is so fucking garbage it hurts and too any faggot that says a beast can beat a vamp they are dead wrong unless the beast is in its fucking lair

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>>54662564

It could be worse.

You could be a Mummy fan.

>>54662681
Here's your (You)

>>54662549

>Why would you reinstall a game that doesn't even run stably?

Been playing the game for the past 6-7 years, has literally not crashed even once for me. Yeah, it has glitches and bugs, but it's never crashed or simply not ran for me.

>>54662657
>>54662624
that's pretty gay since the example of what it aids against specifically mentions mages. So much for that idea
>>54662691
I am sorry for your loss

>>54662549
It's worked just fine for me. Some crap framerate moments but I ran it on a toaster.

>>54662681
Can't Beasts literally cause natural disasters?

>>54662864
And thats your "isnt shit" scale?

POWER LEVELS DO NOT MATTER

>>54662924
Yeah. Real big fan of tsunamis.

>>54662964

YOU DONT MATTER

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>>54662549
>My computer is shit
well can't help you there anon. maybe get a job and buy an actual computer and stop shit posting from your phone

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>>54662964
>>54663130

Crackers don't matter

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>>54662964
but seriously beast as written has real problems

>>54663152
If I can't spell I assure you it has nothing to do with my phone.

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>>54663184
why are you trying to play old PC games on your phone?

Why do blood mages exist when they can't even challenge actual mages?

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>>54663401
Cause Tremere was a bitch hermetic

>>54663401
Cruac and Theban Sorcery just aren't as potent

>>54660931
Oh wow, it does. It does bother little princess prissy pants.

>>54661543
Ahhahahaha oh fucking god. Priceless.

>>54663487
It doesn't bother me because a) not even the same guy and b) both Vampire games have been proven to be substantially less popular than Mage.

>>54661839
Because two of you are psychopathic about it.

>>54663562
Are you really implying there are only two magefags who are here 24/7?

Why is that whenever vampfags show up they're a million times worse than magefags?

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Anyone here able to tell a fledgeling where one would get started with the Vampire tabletop games? as in which one(s) are most popular or easy to get into. Thanks in advance.

>>54662964
Says the fragile fellow who freaks out whenever someone even hints at discussing them, the same fragile fellow who has chosen only the most powerful splat as the basis of his self esteem and personal identity. To at least you, it would seem, power levels are utterly critical.

>>54663594
False Flag the post

>>54663627
>the truth
>it must be bait

Idiot

>>54663608
Requiem 1e is by far the best for new players. That's the cWoD version.

>>54663608
Requiem for local politics games
Masquerade for conspiracy campaigns

>>54663642
I mean CofD.

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>>54663608

Both Requiem and Masquerade are fairly popular. It depends on what you're looking for. Requiem is, IMO, something that's going to be focused on your character, such as you build him, whereas Masquerade takes into account the overreaching world and metaplot, should you choose to let it influence your game, your clan and sire and so on.

Personally, I enjoy both and switch from one to the other whenever I want to play something in particular that one of them doesn't let me.

Example: Masquerade/Dark Ages is great when I want to play with a Tzimisce/Lasombra, but Requiem is great fun when I wanted to play hunter-turned-vampire because it kind of let the ST to work with a Daeva archetype doing the stalking and embracing.

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>>54663635
>Oversensitive
>Butthurt

Magefag

>>54663594
Because they're more noticable, while Mage powerwank might as well be included in the OP for how often it shows up in these threads.

Do people hate Mage or just its players?

Seems a bit silly to hate both

>>54663710

People hate shitposting, regardless of the splat from which it comes.

>>54663710
There are some Mage players that are DENSE. Others are great. But dear god, some just want the power fantasy.

>>54663717
How are Mage players shitposting? All I see is them defending themselves.

I can understand if they annoy you, but they're hardly griefing the thread.

>>54663735

Who said anything about Mage players shitposting? I was talking about shitposting in general, regardless of the splat which is being used for said shitposting.

>>54663710
It might seem silly but it's usually both. Magefags wouldn't be half the force they are if the books didn't back them up at nearly every turn. Not that there's anything wrong with the game, but having your game built around the theme of cosmic power, cosmic corruption is a double-edged sword.

>>54663710
the players are shit. the game is pretty chill. It's full of meme able content >>54663728
a well done mage game is the unicorn of wod or cod. It's a complicated game fighting for space within a market of simpler games

What's the most broken low XP build for By Night Studios Werewolf LARP?

>>54663894
sucking the head ST's cock

>>54663949
But I don't even like him much and am only thinking of playing because there isn't anything else to do.

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>>54663710
By and large, it's the players. It's a game about power, and unfortunately it attracts the absolute worst in the player base. The only good aspect of it all is, that they are so abhorrent that they find themselves shunned from even nerd society, and their possibility of finding even a group for a one shot is slim to none. As such, the consistently loud, overly aggressive, sensitive, temperamental primadonnas who live to shitpost on this board are probably doing so because it's as close to playing their Mary Sue japanese cartoon Dumbledore dickgirl waifu in a Mage game as they will ever get.

>>54664059
>Mary Sue japanese cartoon Dumbledore dickgirl waifu
Thanks for the new character concept.

Are all the Arcana relatively balanced when compared?

>>54660033
It has to come out, at minimum, before Q2 2018 as it's the metaplot for V5.

>>54664762
They're all equally potent

>>54664762
Some are arguably more versatile, like Space and Mind, but all are useful, fun, and capable of pulling their weight in a game.

>>54662227
>Dreaming less popular as a LARP

That's backwards. Dreaming had a MUCH more active fanbase in the Camarilla/Mind's Eye Society and the other global orgs than Ascension. And as you succinctly stated, the past Mage LARP rules have been mediocre.

I too hope for a good Ascension LARP book from BNS, but Mage is hit or miss in general in LARP.

>>54664847
The bunk system in the old MET book was pretty solid, I guess it makes sense that it would have some popularity, I've just never actually heard about anyone running it ever.

>>54664956
I first started LARPing in the tail end of the MES/Cam running OWoD; Changeling had probably triple the players of the Mage game at the last 3 conventions I went to before they folded all the OWoD venues in 2006.

>>54665022
>folded all the OWoD venues in 2006
Yeah I think the major infrastructure collapsed a year or two before I started LARPing. Probably why I never heard of it.

>>54662691
I'd fuck that mummy.

>>54662475
I've actually started playing this game for the first time today. It's great so far.

>>54664762
Relatively, yes.

>>54664808
Yeah,I mean it makes sense they would be. They can all do the basics, defend and attack. They all can manipulate, remove, and create the elements in their purview.

Their power levels are sort of designed to be equal. The only factor is how often each one is useful to a situation. Which they balanced by giving some (space and prime for example) good utility uses that always exist.

What's the best splat/way to play a Sovereign Citizen in world of darkness? I think it seems like a good way to run police encounters as a werewolf. What could go wrong?

Reference video if you aren't familiar with Sovereign Citizens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHoQhahXwEk

>>54663173
Like? For the sake of saving someone who usually buys everything (eventually)

>>54664762
They can all do the same kinds of things, but to different things.

>>54662564
As an ST I would let it resist, since that is literally its job as a merit. If I didn't allow it, sanctity of merits means you can pick something else anyway.

>>54665260
Can't watch the video right now. Are they those guys who think if you say the right words, you can get out of anything?

If so hunter, or mage.

A hunter would believe such a conspiracy and kill over it. A mage would build their whole identity around it.

>>54665279
http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/kurieg/beast-the-primordial/

>>54665381
>linking someone instead of responding
W-why?

>>54665260
>>54665345
Would also work with changelings and their obsessions around contracts and the value of promises

>>54664101
She is aloof and scary, with a power of presence that can be earth shattering, but at the same time, warm, down to earth and caring, with those in need of tenderness. And for the lucky few.. her glans is ever so sensitive, even the slightest breath of air touching it sends her into ticklish giggle fits that make her bushy white beard shake and flutter so amusingly.

>>54665420
>baiting this hard

>>54665260
Ever consider that these "Sovereign Citizens behaving awful" videos are propaganda?

>>54665802
To train police to violate more people's rights? Or some other form of propaganda?

>>54665827
To paint people actually questioning the authority of the officers in any way as dick weasels, to discourage people from even considering asking questions like "am I being detained" in circumstances where it might actually be a reasonable action, or the like.

WOD GENERAL HALP.

My game is undergoing Gehenna.

I have the old WoD ToJ newsticker.

I need more Gehenna events. Mundane and vampire.

GO!

>>54666161
4chan actually provides helpful advice

>>54666277
CAINE COMETH when this happens

>>54663894
Play a Rokea, take their Breed 1 point merit and Berserker. Grab the strength focus and go for Pursuit and Stoking Fury's Furnace.

>>54666161
Look into crazy 3rd world news, and make it happen in first world countries such as diseases thought extinct come back with a vengeance, Rodney King tier riots in every major city, Nations that should are natural allies (such as the US and Canada) attacking each other in a mad dash for resources.

>>54668129
I found something really neat about sinkholes opening up in siberia, which I'm going to use to signal Ennoia.

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>>54664059
>tfw Ascension fag

>>54668129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

Hi guys I am new to ttrpgs and my friend convince me to to be a player in his Mage game. I bought the book and read through the lore and it's great. So can you guys look over my character concept?

>>54669090
Which version of Mage?

>>54669090
Old or new?

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>Name: Julian Belmondo
>Shadow Name: Abyssinian
>Alias: child of the abyss
>Path: Obreimos

>bio: Julian was the child of two power mages. His mother gave birth to him while on a expedition to the abyss. Because of this Julius was born awakened. Not only that but he was blessed by Gate. Now Julius is immune to paradox because his soul is already attuned to the abyss. Now a young teen Julian's goal in life is to ascend to Archmastery and enslave the Exarchs.

>>54669177
>>54669185
Awakening see >>54669230

>>54669230
>Born to die
>Fallen world is a fuck
>Kill 'em all 1989
>I am trash Mage
>410,757,864,530 dead sleepers.

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>>54669230

>>54669230
Why do you want to hurt me?
What have I ever done to you to deserve this?

>>54669230
What is this Mary Sue Anime bullshit?

That's not even how it works

>>54669266
>>54669305
>>54669328
>>54669329
I told you this is the first character I ever made for a ttrpgs. What's wrong with anime?

>>54669378
Nothing is inherently *wrong* with anime. It just garners a shit ton of Sueism.

>>54669378
I mean, I'll give you a solid 5/7 on this bait, Anon. I got a laugh out of it.

>>54669230
>>54669378
I'd approve this character for my Chronicle. Every game needs a Heiromagus.

>>54669230
>Name: Julian Belmondo
>Shadow Name: Abyssinian
>Alias: child of the abyss
>Path Obreimos
I'm at a loss here. I just can't deal with these names.

>Julian was the child of two power mages
Not improbable

>His mother gave birth to him while on a expedition to the abyss. Because of this Julius was born awakened
That's not how one Awakens.

>Not only that but he was blessed by Gate
That just won't happen

>Now Julius is immune to paradox because his soul is already attuned to the abyss
No

>Now a young teen Julian's goal in life is to ascend to Archmastery and enslave the Exarchs
Teens don't become Archmages and you don't just confront or enslave the ten Iron Seals.

>>54669401
Why would I bait for? I wouldn't even know what would be considered bait for a rpg character except making him a tranny or something. But my friend said tg is leftist anyway so that probably would not be bait either.

>>54669439
>That's not how one Awakens.
Are you sure I think I saw in one of these threads that a canon character awakened from being born in the abyss
>That just won't happen
Why couldn't it?

>>54669489
To Awaken one needs to be called to one of the Watchtowers.

To say one has been blessed by the Gate is basically saying you've been 'blessed' by the grace of Imperial magic.

>>54669513
Aren't all awakenings possibly acts of imperial magic?

>>54669530
It isn't a possibility. It IS Imperial magic.

>>54669530
No, an awakening is something more. An archmage of Prime can awaken a sleeper but it almost always ends badly (banisher, mad one, etc.).

Among the silver ladder awakenings are seen as some of the best evidence for the existence of the oracles or at least an equivalent benevolent ascended being of god like power.

>>54669594
>An archmage of Prime can awaken a sleeper but it almost always ends badly (banisher, mad one, etc.).
That's Imperial magic

The Watchtowers/Oracles are using the culmination of their Imperial Rites to Awaken those they deem fit.

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>Name: Kane Décès
>Shadow Name: Blade Master
>Alias: Unlimited Blade Works
>Path: Thyrsus

>bio: Kane was born under the blood moon which granted him strange and forbidden powers. Because of this he gained a innate understanding of all bladed weapons. He is completely immune to lethal damage caused by swords, knifes, and even shaving razor, since his soul is perfectly attuned to melee weapons. Now against all odds, his goal in this existence is to devour the spirit of all swords into his Pattern.

>>54669651
Go fuck yourself

>>54669230
>>54669651
Who are your 3 cabal mates on the other paths?

What opacity do you guys use for stuff like disciplines, gifts, or contracts?

Similarly what arcana do you use for detecting and quantifying stuff like vitae, glamour, aether, etc. inside someone's pattern? (werewolf essence is probably straight spirit but after that I'm less sure)

>>54669230
>>54669651
This is a vampfag false flag to make us magefags look bad, isn't it?

>>54669684
>Not knowing about their Mastigos legend, Sephiroth Uchiha

Is there any official list of Oracles? IIRC Dante was the last (or most recent) Oracle, but not sure who otheres are.

God I hate Anime

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>Name: Daniel Kirkwood
>Shadow Name: The Worlds End
>Alias: The Wandering Sage
>Path: Moros

Due to an ancient prophecy, Daniel heritage is entirely unknown being risen by a bunch of nuns in the wilderness. However as he grew older he listened to the wailing screams of the sisters in their secret crypts. Such horrors could not be experience by any sane man without their being being ripped apart like so much viscera. And yet he persisted to Awaken. He now lives in a half-dead state, immortal.

>>54669764
enlighten us

>>54669800
There have been a few. They vary in power just like Archmages.

The Unnamed and his Qlipohthic peers and Medea herself come to mind.

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>Name: Gideon Grey
>Shadow Name: Azazel
>Alias: The Black Reaper
>Path: Moros

>Bio: Gideon is one the few mages to ever have been born with out a soul yet still awaken. Having supreme mastery of the arcana of death the Black Reaper Azazel goal is to drown the fallen world in death in the hope of obtaining his own soul

>>54669800
Most Archmages and Oracles aren't named for very obvious reasons.

>>54669834
You really haven't heard of the legend?
The man that was leading the Shadow Order of Death Assassins at only 13?
The same man that wields the legendary demon-katana bloodrazor?
The man that stole Coldsteels harem of qt14 catgirls(male)?

Anon pls.

>>54669903
DAMNIT just tell me, I don't have time for this shit.

Any one got good ideas for a Halloween one shot?

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>Name: Ezra Weiz
>Shadow Name: Aeon
>Alias: The Infinite One
>Path: Acanthus

>bio: Aeon is a prodigy among prodigy destined for greatness when tragedy struck. After being warned by his masters Aeon attempted to cast a power ful time spell however the paradox it caused was so great Aeon was flung outside of time for 57000 years. During that long time Aeon went insane from loneliness of course but after a few millennia he grew tired of that as well. He began to learn everything about time by being able to view it from the outside. Eventually through his new found knowledge Aeon was able to reenter the time stream with new awesome temporal powers. His goal is to protect the Earth and the timeline from abysmal threats

>>54669970
Run a normal with relatively normal PCs, but they wake up in world populated by these '''humans'''
>>54669854
>>54669230
>>54669651
>>54669815

>>54670000
Please don't include my character with the other people who are trying to impersonate and make fun of me.

>>54670000
Where's the Mastigos?

>>54670085
Can you really blame them though?

>>54662564
Another Hunter fan, praise be.
And yeah, resisting powers from witches is a crapshoot. They still bleed and die like humans so your best bet is just shooting them, probably with something high-caliber if possible, in case they have a shield.

Of course Hunters thrive off the power of the sneak attack. Any tactics that'll help you with a gank?

Character Concept Silent Strider kinfolk member of Iteration X and/or Void Engineers
I only need like 6 trillion xp for the power suit right?
http://imgur.com/gallery/iifnU

>>54669230
>His mother gave birth to him while on a expedition to the abyss. Because of this Julius was born awakened.
Awakenings don't work like that.

>but he was blessed by Gate
Do you know what Abyssal "blessings" do? Hint: it's not pretty or beneficial or sane.

>Now Julius is immune to paradox because his soul is already attuned to the abyss.
If your soul is attuned to the Abyss, you would suffer more Paradox, or less. Scelesti have just as much Paradox as usual mages, they just suffer less from it.

>Now a young teen Julian's goal in life is to ascend to Archmastery and enslave the Exarchs.
Nothing is wrong with dreaming big. I'll just note that "enslaving the Exarchs" will just make your character one of them.

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>>54670131
>Name: Matt Parker
>Shadow Name: Mesmero
>Alias: ???

>Bio: Matt was born psychic and was always troubled by the voices in his head from a young age. The scratching the whispering the horrific screaming tormented him night and day. Eventually he couldn't take it anymore and that's when he awakened and let out a psychic scream so powerful it killed every person in his village. The disturbance alerted a local cabal of veil guardians who took the boy in to train him how to control his powers. Now as an awakened student of the mind Mesmero will show the enemies of the wise what is true pain

>>54670353
His path is obviously Mastigos in case you chucklefucks couldn't realize it

>>54670353
lol Heroes

>>54670337
Finally some constructive criticism. I will start my character over from the ground up. Also I am confused with what Prime actually does

>>54670461
Prime is truth n' magic

It's often overlooked and easily one of the most complementary Arcanum to have.

>>54670248
>They still bleed and die like humans
Mmm... no, they don't.

Death: can delay his own death until much, much later.
Life: ahahahahaha don't even talk to me.
Fate: yeah, if there is a chance to survive bleeding, Fate mage will survive. And if where is no chance, he will make one.
Time: there is a spell for stopping time for your body.
Matter: stop bleeding by stopping water flow.

And I am pretty sure other Arcana also have their ways to just defy the Lie of mages "dying and bleeding like every other human".

>>54670337
>I'll just note that "enslaving the Exarchs" will just make your character one of them.
You would also have to be an Oracle to even try, not an Archmaster. Of course, not there's a really big difference between Oracles and Exarchs when you get right down to it.

>>54670559
You could arguably challenge an Ascended being as an Archmage.

You just need to set up Imperium properly.

>>54670461
Prime is raw magic. The magic of magic, if you will, dealing with the truth and symbols of the Supernal. Dispelling magic, spotting lies, attacking with pure mystical energy, enchanting items with spells, etc.

>>54670353
>>54669230
>>54669651
>>54669815
>>54669997
>>54669854
Just so you all know, I'm stealing these

I hate anime.

>>54670668
Same, the mastigos is too believable though. Not quite on par.

>>54670690

Anime is very, very good, just not for WoD.

>>54661259
You need new shitpost images. You're the only one who ever posts them, after all. You need to present a front that differs.

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>>54670298
Gave me a chuckle.

>>54670701
It works better for OWoD given the mary sue structure of many of the NPCs.

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If there's one thing we can take away from all the shitposting, all the trolls, all the white room powergames, it's this: Mage 2e's art is fucking amazing compared to 1e's, and a step up compared to the stuff in most of the rest of the line's books. Gay Egyptian Warlock, Muscle Jawa, Clothes-Too-Small-Man and suit cartographer are such a step up from skeezy guy on a bike, unicycle trumpeter and the rest of their ilk. The colours used in the book as well as the rest of the art helps to set the theme.

Well, except for the image in question, but it's kind of awesome anyway.

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>>54670826

Mage 2e is absolutely *fabulous*!

>>54670878
I'm saving that image for completely unrelated reasons, but what page? I seriously can't remember seeing it. It's still technically proficient.

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Best Mage 2e artwork coming through

>>54670916
>best
>no vampire stripper
loving every laugh

>>54670944
>not realizing the vampire stripper was turned into the couch minutes before the photographer arrived

anon pls

>>54670944
>>no vampire stripper
What do you think they're snorting coke off of, if not a transmuted vampire stripper?

>>54669730
>Similarly what arcana do you use for detecting and quantifying stuff like vitae, glamour, aether, etc. inside someone's pattern?
Death, Fate, Prime respectively.
Plasm Death, Satiety Mind, Pyros Prime, Pillars probably Death too. Real question is if Ghost and Angelic Essence is Spirit since Essence is in Spirit's purview or because of their minisplats Death and Prime respectively.

>>54670902
>but what page?

Free Council Order art, Mage 2e, p. 50.

>>54670969
Wouldn't vitae also be Prime? I recall the rules for making false vitae including Prime.

>>54670988

Different Arcana can sometimes detect and reveal the same phenomena, just from a different perspective.

>>54670980
That would explain why I hadn't seen it. Well. That's a thing that's in my house now and forever.

>>54670988
>making false vitae
Anon, that's how you end up with a bloodline like the septemi, with all the crap about protecting others stripped out and replaced with 'eat mages'. And all the powers in abjurism replaced with 'fuck mages'.

Actually, that sounds like a fun concept. When our current game lapses I might see if we can do vampire again.

>>54671037
That doesn't seem very sustainable.

>>54670248
>thinks shooting a mages is the best bet

is a faggot

Time 1: what fucking surprise?
Forces 2: What fucking bullet?
Matter 3: Armour 11 anti-armour peircing, DING, wtf was that?
Space 3: Bullet right back at your faggot
Life 3: Awch that stung, let me heal 7 lethal

Shooting a mage is not the best bet, staying the fuck away and rethinking your life is your best bet.

>>54671037
If they were after false vitae, why would they be wanting to eat mages?

>>54670534
>>54671169
He's probably talking about Witches, not Mages. Witches are the magic using enemies in Hunter: The Vigil. Jeez you magefags are jumping at literal shadows. Nobody is gonna incorporate a mage in a Hunter chronicle, probably won't even have them exist.

The HunterAnon said "witch hunter" other anon assumed he meant the witch enemies from Hunter: The Vigil, Magefags freaked out because they thought someone was questioning their power trip game.

>>54671345
Witches using the powers in Hunter dont have a "shield" dread power so fuck off. If he is refering to a shield he is refering to shielding via 2 dots in an arcana.

I probably know more about Hunter than you too fuck face.

>>54671477
> Witches
> Using dread powers

M8 they have their own type called mysteries, the shield he's referring to is the second dot of the lore mystery, it provided the witch a shield that functions as armor = to their gnosis (different than mage but the same name) dots.

Is it stupid to go ham and get as many Arcana dots as possible when starting out as a newbie Mage player?

Would that cripple me?

>>54671752
Start with Gnosis 3 and an arcana at 3.

ignore the faggots who waste merit points on merits you can pick up after char gen. There is no other merit other than gnosis 3 that you need at char gen

>>54669230
Masterfully crafted donut steel
You even thought of getting the name wrong
Truly a work of art

So going to be doing a Changeling the Dreaming, thinking about playing a sluagh. Any tips?

>>54671898
Better you play Lost, gay thought it is

>>54671898
kill yourself

>>54671752
No. If you have a halfway decent ST it would be a double edged sword for you. You would get attention in the Consilium for being a promising new Mage, with all the pros and cons that would come with. Opportunities, respect, connections, but also schemers trying to schmooze and manipulate you and old bitter Mages despising you and trying to stall your advancement in any way possible.

Spending all your xp on Arcana and Gnosis after char gen would get you in trouble, according to the fluff. Mages who rise too high too fast get slapped down by other Mages for a number of reasons. And also you should spend xp to reflect your character anyway, not just try to get strong as fast as possible.

>>54671911
thanks for the suggestion

>>54671942
Fuck you. See ignore this faggot. Its entirely possible to start with an Arcana at 3 therefore its not odd or fucking unique or special.

No other mage will think twice about it.

>>54672018
I meant if you spent all your merit dots to start with Gnosis 3 and start with an Arcanum at 3.

>>54670969
I don't think I would let mage arcana interact with Demon/Angel's fiddly bits.

The god machine is so out of the loop of everything else, just having it be prime is just an excuse. 'Uh it is magical, but we don't know what kind of magical... So prime'.

Gmachine has a direct line into reality itself, and demons have a piece of that. It isn't magic, it is bending reality in a way functionally different from what mages understand. They are playing two very different sides of a game.

If I was really going to allow it, I would probably god Space, just because it is the magic that would notice the direct warping of reality itself.

>>54672240
I believe DaveB at one point mentioned that Prime and Mind would be the Arcana to deal with Angels. Or something similar.

>>54671942
Why would 'old bitter Mages' want to hamper a promising individual?

Surely some of these oldsters were prodigies as well in their youth.

>>54672240
>I don't think I would let mage arcana interact with Demon/Angel's fiddly bits.
If it's in the Fallen World and it in't Abyssal, pretty sure it falls under the Supernal one way or another. Prime also deals with more than just raw magic. It deals with truth and symbols. It would be able to spot a Demon in a cover, and the God-Machine uses symbols to run its reality equations, right?

>>54672307
Why mind? What is the logic there?

For one, angels are nearly mindless. Anytime they actually try to think in any deep way, they fall.

Like, did Dave work on demon? Because I wouldn't want to jump the gun, but it honestly sounds like he might not understand demon.

>>54672333
>would be able to spot a demon in a cover
Why? Because it is a lie?

Also, that would probably trigger a clash pretty fast, since demons spoof any attempt to detect they aren't human.

>>54672318
Nice old Mages would probably help, but unfortunately nice old anythings in these games are rare. For a bitter old Mage, it's an old story, isn't it? Somebody in a seat of power threatened by some promising new talent. Throw in a Mage's desire for power and the hubris that comes with it, and you've got a political rival.

>>54672333
mages can't even tell when a Demon lies
Hell, a Demon could tell a mage that he's a giraffe and it would still register as a truth
mages are pimped up mortals fiddling around by manipulating essence, demons have access to the very code of reality. As far as the universe is concerned, most of Demon powers are perfectly natural exploitations of preexisting pathways

>>54672343
Dave has worked on every single gameline except for Hunter.

If anything, he is the loremaster of Chronicles.

>>54672360
>Because it is a lie?
Yes. Pierce Deception is a one dot Prime spell, and while it would Clash, the jig would still be up because Mages always know when their spells are contested. So while they wouldn't uncover the truth if they lost the Clash, they would still know that the guy they looked at is full of shit somehow, unless a Demon's cover power involves erasing suspicions.

>>54672360
Clash or not. Demons aren't impervious when staying hidden. Mages are masters at piercing veils.

>>54672378
>demons have access to the very code of reality
>very code of reality
What do you think the Supernal is? Hint: It isn't a place.

Also where does it say Pierce Deception can get through a Demon's cover, or anything else they lie about?

>>54672389
It does
Demons can choose to register as human randos

>>54672378
>demons have access to the very code of reality
That would be Mages. They deal with the code / blue-prints.

Demons deal with the present reality.

>>54672378
>mages can't even tell when a Demon lies

Yes. Yes they entirely can. It's one of their major purviews. It's also cornerstone to one of their biggest themes.

>>54672389
Yeah that is exactly what it does.

A person will believe they screwed up, because the spoof will make up a reason it is wrong. They are hardwired into reality itself. Their 'lie' isn't a lie, it becomes truth because they have GM cheat codes.

It would be weird for a mage situation. But yeah, either the spell would not read as contested, or the mage would get back the sense that something else was wrong to make it be blocked by a random human.

That still doesnt stop suspicion on the demon completely (that's how covers get degraded after all), but they wouldn't be like 'aaah, evil monster!'

>>54672406
You might as well ask where it says any Mage power can contest the abilities of another splat.

It's rather obvious at this point, anon.
The Arcana are meant to deal with literally anything. That's kind of the point.
Prime is a Demon's worst nightmare. Similarly with Fate.

>>54672430
Sorry buddy. That is hard coded into demons. Their lies are perfect, because their lie registers as truth.

A spell checking for lies would not trigger on a demon lying. That is the raw.

>>54672444
My bad, I meant 'can't get through a Demon's cover'.

>>54672442
>it becomes truth

Which is why it's wholly susceptible to Prime

>>54672455
>That is hard coded into demons
It's the same with every other splat and their relevant capabilities. Yet that doesn't stop Mages from fucking with them.

Stop being a dingleberry.

>>54672455
>A spell checking for lies would not trigger on a demon lying. That is the raw.

It's raw that Prime deals with lies and truth.

:^)

>>54672463
So explain to me how someone telling the truth would trigger a mage spell meant to find lies.

>>54672477
Which is why at best, you get a clash.

>>54672483
That's irrelevant. Prime doesn't just deal with lies.
It deals with truth as well.

It can easily differentiate multiple truths. That's how it works.
Hell, a Mage could potentially tell lies better than a demon.

>>54672488
Clash is besides the point here. The 'point' is that Prime can entirely fuck with Demons.

As I ST I would -absolutely- demand a Clash though. I agree with you wholeheartedly on that.

>>54672469
>>54672477
>magefags ignoring RAW when it might hint that something isn't completely under their undisputed power
literal manchildren

>>54672491
Sure, using a fancy spell or something. I guess.

But it isn't even really a matter of effort for a demon. It is like a guy getting all jacked on steroids so he can finally best the guy at the gym in an arm wrestling contest, but the other guy was just there to chill. I guess you can have that W buddy, if it means that much to you.

>>54672527
The only splat that is canonically -not- under the purview of Mages is Promethean.

This is actually what reinforces the Empyrean / Principle theory.
It's quite interesting actually.

>>54672538
I believe it's the source of their power (Pyros/Azoth) that isn't touchable by Mages. Not even Prime can mingle with it. It's very strange.

>>54672537
That's a major point of Mage, really. Anything you can do they, they can do it better. They just work a bit more for the results.

>>54672343

Son, I invented Psychopomps, wrote the Incarnations, wrote the intro story, wrote the Storytelling chapter, wrote in the player's guide, wrote the advanced Pact stuff in Interface, wrote demon's straight-talking lexicon. I knew Demon before its subtitle changed to "The Descent."

I thought it was Prime and Fate, anyway? Eh. Any "ruling" anon's talking about is a stopgap from before Awakening 2 came out. If we ever do crossover rules they'll be like the Mummy ones in Dark Eras.

>>54672562
Manchild : the Insecurity

>>54672562
Yeah. But comparing a mid-high dot mage to someone's basic inherent abilities, isn't really even ground. So the whole scenario is off from the start.

But anyway, I dont think it should be as simple as 'prime messes with demon stuff'. It could probably suss out GM lies, symbols, and occult matrices. But using prime as the blanket for all demon stuff still doesnt make sense. Space would make more sense. Mind is just dumb, sorry Dave that requires some explaining.

And if you're playing in a game of mind, you're getting spoofed just like everyone else. You can research further after that, but that's one illusion. That doesnt get pierced just by trying to pull the sheet back. Cover makes changeling masks look like a Halloween costume.

>>54672576
Can you just do us a big favor and nip this in the bud? Can Prime detect a Demon's lies, and if so, would it take more than Pierce Deception and a Clash?

>>54672576
Will you ever be inclined to work on Hunter, Dave?

>>54672576
Go to bed Dave.

>>54672612
Last thing Hunter needs is Dave working on it.

Every hunter cell will turn out to secretly be a Mage cult.

>>54672576
Fate makes a ton more sense.

People misquoting you make you sound like an idiot.

(I mean more of an idiot)

>>54672584
Please stop projecting.

>>54672609
Dang phone.
*game of mine

>>54672562
I thought it was the other way around?

>Anything you can do, Mage can do better;
>Mage can do anything better than you!
>No, it can't! Yes, it can! No, it can't! Yes it can, yes it can, yes it can!

>>54672702
Somehow a pathological need to be better than everyone else in their own domain isn't revelatory of deep insecurity issues ?
You can't lie to yourself, bub

>>54672747
That's precisely what I was getting at, yes.

>>54672576
DaveB is here. This is a joyous morning.

So, /wodg/, tell us about your chronicle(s) !
What are you playing ? How's your party doing ? What are you planning ?

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>>54672576
>>54672771
Happiness abounds!

>>54672771
He's here a lot, I imagine, but rarely posts these days. With a trip on, at least. Now he apparently only puts it on to bring the hammer down on anons who are talking smack about him.

>>54672609
>That doesnt get pierced just by trying to pull the sheet back

If Mage Sight doesn't do the trick, you can bet your ass Unveiling will.

>>54672759
Who needs it? It's just how it is. It's insecure to be buttblasted about it, especially when the splats never interact unless you want them to.

>>54672809
What I'm truly buttblasted about, if you want to know, is not mage's powerlevel, it's the constant shitposting about it
It's been established by your whiny little asses, and grandmaster magefag in person, that mages were all-powerful gods capable of besting anyone under any circumstances because they're the mary-sues of the world of darkness and nothing can ever hurt them
Now that's completely uninteresting to me, but that's also your right to like it
What bothers me truly is that we cannot have ONE SINGLE THREAD without magefags repeating the same fucking point ("we're better than everyone") like a broken record and having every single iteration of /wodg/ turn into a wankfest of who's the biggest sucker for supernal cock
There hasn't been a single discussion in this general that hasn't been ruined by you faggots and your need to lord your "superiority" over other splats
Can't you accept that "Mage wins" is the default answer to any argument and then grace us with your silence ? Everyone wins : you get to bask in a feeling of superiority, and we get to actually discuss interesting games and issues without you monopolizing the discussion with endless descriptions of how you'd fuck everyone just because you can
The fact that you're most likely insecure little shits has absolutely no kind of importance to me, but keeping people from having constructive discussion is just rude and childish

>>54672901
Someone get this hothead out of here!

>>54672915
memes =/= arguments

>>54672901
This is 4chan. I don't think anybody actually cares what goes down here. You want a coherent discussion? Go to the OPP forums.

>>54672901
Whoa there anon, take it down a few notches.

Their reasons were pretty shallow, but at least we were having a discussion about demon/mage interaction. No reason to go loud.

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>>54672901
>blaming others when you fall for stale bait again and again, and don't have the focus or dedication to try and keep a discussion going through shitposts, as if shitposting isn't par for the course on so many boards
Cry me a river, buddy. Besides, it's not like magefags are the sole, or even biggest, reason that other splats don't get much discussion here. Also, this exchange wasn't started by magefagging, but by somebody actually asking a question and then somebody else posting blatant misunderstandings about Mage.

>>54672925
hurt feelings =/= arguments

Can there be Supernal symbols for everything? Even negatives? Like say there's a symbol for putting a dildo in your butt, is there a symbol for removing it?

>>54672955
>>54672966
You're trying to tell me magefags ignoring raw to fuel their power fantasy is the demon posters fault ? You're embarassing yourself
Now since I was the one complaining about flame wars, I'll stop this discussion here so as not to shit up the thread further
If you are reasonable adults, you might just be able of doing the same

>>54673028
>magefags ignoring raw

They've done no such thing

>>54673028
No raw has been posted, dingus. If you want to conclusively end the argument or actually have a basis for magefags ignoring raw, actually present the sources and back up your arguments that supposedly prove Prime, the Arcanum of truth, slides off of Demons like water off a duck's back. And if you don't feel like doing that, then yes, please shut the fuck up and stop bitching about something that might not even be taking place.

>>54673009
Just ask the flaming free council mage from that one art.

(The answer is yes, of course)

So is this general just a Mage circle jerk?

>>54672611

I dunno! The same writer wrote both Demon's lying ability in DTR and the Prime Arcanum. I shall ask what he intended.

>>54673000
After these trips he'll never recover.

>>54673061
Yes. There's the door, get out while you can. And never come back.

>>54673066
>The same writer wrote both Demon's lying ability in DTR and the Prime Arcanum.
Neat.
>I shall ask what he intended.
Thanks. It would interesting to know beyond just trying to settle an argument.

>>54673061
>>54673068
Heres your (((you)))

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>>54673049
>>54673050
p.184 of Demon core

>>54673087
It's entirely raw that Prime deals with lies.

:^)

>>54673087
See, this is pretty conclusive. And since it was apparently written by the same guy who wrote Prime, it's more than likely he had Pierce Deception in mind.

>>54673103
So we're at a stalemate then.

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>>54673103

If Demons cover can't be broken
but
Mages with Prime are all about that

Who is right and who is wrong?

>>54673134
Nothing to do with covers
Just flat out lies

>>54673110
Mage 2e came out after Demon

>>54673134
No way of knowing until Dave gets back to us

To say Prime beats a Demon's lies beats the purpose of the actual lie

To say Demon's lies are immune to Prime beats the purpose of the Arcanum

>>54673134
Covers can absolutely be broken, usually by picking at them. You need to catch the inconsistencies.

Honestly, needing to spoof a spell trying to detect inconsistencies in your cover should immediately force you to roll that cover. A mage attempting to pierce it is reason enough for it to have a chance of degrading. The fact the mage will be fooled isn't important, the fact anyone is paying attention is what is important.

But of course, now the demon knows someone is picking at their cover, and might just go into deep hiding until the whole situation blows over.

>>54673152
So why do the two lines go against one another then?

>>54673152
Too simple.

To say prime beats demon lies means one small aspect of an otherwise massive section of a power set can invalidate a hard coded ability on a whim.

To say demon lies beat prime means a mage will... Have to investigate further, as this particular purview of a massive set if abilities didn't work in this exact situation.

The first is boring. The second brings intrigue to the chronicle. No matter the ruling, I would use the second one because it would make the chronicle better.

>>54673179
Also, keep in mind that demons add their Cover dots to spoof rolls
On average, that's the equivalent of a supernatural resistance of 7