So roughly how strong are lovecraftian monsters compared to other

>>54649042
Cthulhu probably beats most vampires but it depends on the vampire

>>54649042
Cthulhu could destroy the entire world alone if the stars were right. If the stars were wrong he can't do a damn thing.

Overall though, beating Lovecraftian entities has more to do with knowledge than power or skill. For example, Wilbur Whatley's brother would be entirely undefeatable without the specific incantation to banish him.

Lovecraftian monsters vary from literally just shoot it, like ghouls, to completely indestructible like the color out of space or hounds of Tindalos.

>>54649042
Cthulhu couldn't even beat one dude in a boat.

>>54649042
Lovecraftian gods are supposed to be interdimensional cosmic beings that destroy worlds every time they sneeze. The only reason humans still exist is because they don't even know we exist or don't care even if they do. We've only ever encountered random nosehairs of theirs that slipped into our world because a mad sorceror tried to summon them

>>54649114
Vampires with reality warping supernatural abilities might be able to handle everything up to the outer gods but that would require super powerful vampires

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Cthulhu vs Khorne,who wins?

>>54649245
Cthulhu isn't even a god, so it's not really fair.

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It varies immensely. Someone like Cthulhu can twist the minds of people worldwide just by existing, and has gone way past the point where death has any meaning to him, but frankly he's small fry.

Yog-Sothoth on the other hand, one of the outer gods, is everyone. Cthulhu is just one facet of its existence, as is you, and Dracula. Trying to fight such an existence is futile to say the least, as it could simple wink you out of existence, or have your soul swap bodies with one of the less fortunate beings in All Tomorrows.

There are many outer gods. Nyarlathotep is their soul and messenger.

And finally there's Azathoth. All of everything is but a dream of his. Omnipotent, omnipresent, mindless, thoughtless, formless, sightless mad daemon sultan. He's the personification of just how utterly insignificant anyone of us are, not compared to the mindboggling vastness of the universe, but compared to an infinte number of such universes that have existed, exist, will exist, and could never exist. You'll need something that's likewise flat out omnipotent to match him.

It's kind of unknown and unknowable. We have no real idea of their upper limits or actual capacity, and most of our sources about any of them are wildly unreliable and have a vested interest in playing up how awesome the guys they're probably worshiping are.

Not to mention, Lovecraftian works, especially those of the man himself, tend to be pretty limited in terms of scope/power/imagination, at least compared to wild sci fi dickwave bullshit like xeelee, demonbane, etc

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>>54649291
and yet

>>54649322
Spiral energy beats everything in common Cthulhu mythos excluding outer gods

>>54649322
>and yet...
...Nia died.

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>>54649357
and yet

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>>54649357
Spirals?

>>54649357
>excluding
Nah. Spiral power is basically shonen waagh exaltation with absolutely no upper limit. It is an omnipotent, endless force of anti-nihilism and I fucking assure you that if the outer gods existed in setting they would eventually get ROW ROW'd.

>>54649440
Azathoth is meta itself, I don't think something like spiral energy can take him

>>54649469
Didn't the entire final battle basically take place in a meta universe where everything is conceptual?

>>54649440
Spiral energy warps reality but it's limited by both willpower and the fact that if overused it might destroy the universe, thematically spiral energy should beat outer gods but if we're going by how it functions and what it's done in universe it falls short of the outer gods

>>54649528
Nope, they just didn't give a shit about physics.

>>54649528
I think it took place in the entire universe because they were that big by then, that's still not enough to kill outer gods though

>>54649557
>if overused it might destroy the universe

Which I guess we could state as Azathoth waking up because shit got a bit too exciting.

>>54649528
Yea but that is what is scary about azathoth. The entire universe is his concept.

If the spiral energy hit him, he would wake up, and it would stop existing.


But on to ops question, could Cthulhu beat hellsing's alucard?

>>54649557
Is exactly what the avatar of the outer gods would say, in the moment where all seems lost and hope is gone.

But then simon shakily forces his ganmen to stand and delivers an echoing monologue to stir even the hearts of conceptual entities at the heart of reality itself. Then he drills a fucking hole in them.

One of these days I'm going to run a stupid no-ceiling anime game.

>>54649570
>I think it took place in the entire universe

They were standing on a single galaxy. A large one, but still. Compared to the observable universe, that's really, really fucking tiny. A percent of a percent.

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Man, i dunno why people latch on to cthulhu specifically. Like he's essentially a jobber just house-sitting on earth and taking a nap on the interdimensional couch. He's a fucking nobody compared to most other things in the mythos, and he almost wrecked everything in what equates to a twitch of sleep apnea.

>>54649557
It's entire shtick is going over the top with hot blooded fiery passion and doing what should be impossible by any sort of logic or rules. It didn't go beyond the universe because it didn't need to, but it very much seems like it should be able to. The outer gods are basically big representations of anti-spiral philosophy, and fighting big nihilist things in ways they shouldn't be able to

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>>54649597
And yet.

>>54649595
Probably, maybe not if you stick only to the original short story but the TTRPG and I'm pretty sure some stories in the later mythos describe Cthulhu as being partially extra-dimensional which would probably mean he can take anything thrown at him by Alucard since he's still limited to this dimension and its laws of physics

>>54649646
Fighting things in ways they shouldn't be able to is basically the whole point and nature of spiral power. I mean its ultimately a battle of themes/tone.

>>54649673
Alucard and Cthulhu are both physically unkillible.

However,
Alucard has a weakness to holy weapons and got chopped up by wire

Cthulhu got hit by a ship, the only damage he took was nothing

>>54649431
Junji Ito is a primo Lovecraftian successor.

>>54649595
Who's actually the strongest vamp? Helsing Alucard, Castlevania Dracula, or Caine? Could the strongest beat a hight priest like Cthulu, or even an outer god? How about teamed up?

>>54649738
He has the terrifying cosmic horror that makes lovecraft scary, and the haunting body horror

>>54649639
I think it's because Cthulhu is more described with more detail in the story? And the whole "fhtang" thing
IIRC Yog-Sothoth looks like a bunch of glowing balls tied together or something like that

>>54649646
>doing what should be impossible by any sort of logic or rules

Hardly something that's anathema to the blind, mad Nuclear Chaos, the Idiot God. Part of his essence is the death of any such concept. If anything spiral power would be staying more true to his nature than most other things, embodying the dream being a dream. Which would also be why overusing it ain't recommended, you don't want too much of this one in your life.

>>54649771
Does cthulhu even have blood?

They would stand a good chance but Cthulhu is just stupid.

>>54649639
And he is just a priest, not even one of the big guys.

Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror kind of only works when humanity and a few other insignificant races in the world/universe.

When you start adding enough power and sci-fi/supernatural gifts to the "good guys", it kind of lessens the horror a bit over time.

Having a chance to fight removes the main crux, i'd say.

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>>54649794
I wonder who's behind this post

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>>54649771
>Could the strongest beat a hight priest like Cthulu, or even an outer god?

Inflicting some kind of defeat on Cthulhu could well be within the powers of someone who himself is powerful enough to have a global impact just by being.

But from there to taking on the Outer Gods is rather like the difference between you taking on our current Pope in a fistfight, to giving God the middle finger and trying to take on Michael when he comes down to kick your teeth in. Or if you know your Gaiman, trying to take down one of the older siblings.

Unless you're talking about Azathoth, in which case it's Big G in person who has decided that you will not be, aren't being, and has never been.

>>54649794
I assume fighting Azathoth with SPIRAL POWAH would basically be like achieving Amaranth (a la TES) , and then immediately putting the dreamer in a headlock and giving him a cosmic noogie

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>>54649914
>giving God the middle finger

Sounds fun

Any conversation discussing Cthulhu's power level misses the point of the concept entirely. Cthulhu is beyond our ability to understand- the giant octopus-headed blob is just our brain's best attempt at translating what's there into something we can describe, and the mere sight of him still drives people irrevocably insane. Death as a concept has no meaning to him. He wouldn't fight Alucard. He wouldn't know Alucard was there. He'd keep sleeping. And as other people have pointed out, he's comparatively tiny in Lovecraft's cosmology.

You don't fight Cthulhu. You fight the maniacs who are trying to wake him up, because if they manage to get him out of bed we're all straight fucked.

>>54649975
>blah blah blah incomprehensible cosmic blah

Lovecraft was a pansy and thought niggers and salad were as scary as ebil space gods

>>54649042
Alucard was a Lovecraftian eldritch abomination, though. He'd been experimented on enough and eaten the souls of enough freaky monsters that he was no mere vampire, at the start of Hellsing

And End of Series Alucard, post-Schrodinger powers, is pretty much ontologically unkillable. You'd basically need the Living Tribunal or unbound Spectre to slap him down at that point.

>>54649925
To fight him is to fight creation itself. Simon very specifically did NOT do that. He lived life to its fullest with it (because that's what it is), but he did not use it to deny death. He remained part of the natural order of things, he remained part of the dream. He did not overuse spiral power.

>>54649595
I think it all depends on if we are talking pre-schrodinger or post. If post alucard could probably win, pre, he can't really kill Cthulhu

Can you fight Shoggoths and Star Spawn?
I don't remember their powers very well

>>54649138
>Cthulhu couldn't even beat one dude in a boat.

HMS Thunderchild vs. Cthulhu

Who wins

>>54650089
Shoggoths can be burned and blown up because they're just made of regular matter and energy. Star spawn are less so, so bullets are probably equally likely to just pass right through them. You'd need special wizard powers to fight them at the least.

>>54650089
Shoggoths can theoretically be electrocuted IIRC

And the Elder Things fought a war against the Star Spawn and won. Given the Elder Things were one of the most 'normal' alien species in the Mythos, being made of regular matter, humanity could (theoretically) fight them if we achieved the same tech level

>>54650089
Yeah definitely. They're kind of strong but well within the range of killability, even without crazy meta bullshit power

>>54649146
>We've only ever encountered random nosehairs of theirs that slipped into our world because a mad sorceror tried to summon them
Damnit man I was drinking!

>>54649042
>Can X beat Cthulhu
Considering how Cthulhu unmakes reality simply by existing I'd say no.
Unless you have something with similar reality bending power

>>54649963
Not the guy but you do realize that the big G of the lovrcraft universe is basically everything that is, has, or will exist. Anything you post is simply a part of him. And that waking him basically ends EVERYTHING.

>>54650234
Nah he's just a big ugly squid pope. He's a punk

>>54650234
>Considering how Cthulhu unmakes reality simply by existing I'd say no

What? No. He's an old, ancient high priest and minor god in that he has cultists, not a breaker of worlds.

Even Nyarlathotep, who is magnitudes above Cthulhu in terms of importance and power, doesn't do that just by existing. The fact that the world doesn't shatter given that both Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep are both a constant presence on Earth should indicate that, no, that's not something they do.

>>54649963
Didn't the P5 protagonist kill the demiurge Yaldabaoth?

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>>54650316
And in SMT IVA you kill Yahweh. In his house

>>54650353
Woop. Forgot my comment

>>54650263
Yeah, so? There's plenty of shit in fiction that calls that a fair fight. Hell, pic related were literally specifically created to shit down the throats of beings exactly like that

>>54650271
>Nah he's just a big ugly squid pope.
That's not him, that's his shadow
Or rather the closest thing to his shadow that the human mind can currently visualize

>>54650278
Magic=reality breaking down

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>>54649963
I've never been able to get over how goofy the skintight shorts are. The rest of his design is great, but...

>>54650373
Well, the problem is that reality literally cannot exist without Azathoth. To kill him is to doom literally every other being in existence to oblivion.

>>54650401
>Magic=reality breaking down

So considering that in Lovecraft humans and serpent men can use magic, they unmake reality too. Alright then.

Cthulhu's just a squid pope, man. That's all he is and all he'll ever be. Get a new favourite deity, like Shub-Niggurath or Nyarlathotep. At least Nyarlathotep has a personality.

>>54650462
Then make it so it can. It's not hard. Jeez.

>>54649245

The whole point of the lovecraft mythos is that the universe runs on the whims of powerful beings that are so far above us that that there is nothing we could ever do, no power we could ever attain as a species or civilization, that would ever make us worthy of their momentary attention.

Khorne, on the other hand, spends all day fuming about how this one old fuck from Earth can bitchslap him from beyond the grave, and resorts to farming humans for food and power.

Seems pretty clear to me that the chaos gods rank lower than the Mythos simply by fact that they NEED humans.

>>54650480
Or Nodens. Nodens is a dope god that lets you ride on his mystical chariot and never threatens to destroy human civilization.

>>54649114
>You need knowledge, not power

Or a dog.

Could a Hound of Tindalos fuck Cthulhu's shit up, considering they're basically masters of the angles of time, and R'lyeh is basically full of angles?

>>54649042
You mean Castlevania Alucard?
Because he kills Cthulhu. Both of them thanks to a translation error.

>>54650501
Well it can't. It's like trying to turn the TV on without turning the TV on. It's not impossible because there's some kind of mechanical problem. It's impossible because there's a fundamental contradiction.

Also, of course, there's no real reason to kill Azathoth. He doesn't really do anything except dream reality into existence. Being blind and an idiot will do that.

>>54650523
Well, Wilbur Whatley was mostly made of earth matter. So dogs and presumably guns work fine. His brother is an entirely different story.

>>54650512
Nodens is basically the only objectively non-cuntish god in Lovecraft

It's like he exists to balance out the fact that Nyarlathotep is a cunt 24/7 and the others don't have enough of a personality to be either cunts or non-cunts

>>54650549
Well, he's subjectively a cunt. Once you ride on his mystical chariot you literally cannot go back to living a normal life because your soul is stuck there or something.

It is, ultimately, your choice to get on the chariot though.

>>54650511
>no power we could ever attain as a species or civilization, that would ever make us worthy of their momentary attention.

The mythos is full of humans (and snakemen) obtaining divine power or patronage through offerings or weird sex so I doubt that's "the whole point of the lovecraft mythos"

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>>54649771
The oldest of course

>>54650141
The thing about Elder Things is that they were meant to be the Badass Normal in the Lovecraftian Mythos, they were not only made of normal matter, they thought and perceived in a manner similar to Humans, they lacked the esoteric thought patterns of the Mi-Go or Yith.

That said, weren't the Star Spawn a bitch to beat because half of their presence wasn't in the material?

>>54649646

You seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that the spiral races were successfully exterminated and contained for millennia. Simon was a freak of nature, a bunch of spiral warriors before him managed to be strong enough to escape the chains of their planets and STILL died like bitches to the spiral graveyard trap.

Simon succeeded because he was an outlier to the Antispiral's 'absolute despair' containment plan. If they had just thrown their best stuff at him immediately, rather than giving him time to grow, they could have crushed him before he had the opportunity to amass the power to challenge them. Instead, they kept assuming he would fail at the same points that previous warriors did with the "you can win... PSYCHE!" fakeout techniques.

Spiral Power, on its own, does not result in victory. If it did, Lordegenome would have won the first time and Simon never would have been born.

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>>54650549
>>54650568
Noden is a cunt , I am glad that he is dead now

>>54650593
Yeah, same with the Mi-Go. They ultimately just made treaties with most of them because they couldn't permanently beat them.

>>54650593

The thought patterns of the Mi-go aren't that esoteric. They're basically a species of cunts who think putting human brains in jars is hilarious, and also scientific.

>>54650512
Plus, night gaunts are cool.

Anyway, it really depends on the setting rules for whether Lovecraft stuff can be defeated. If its a pessimist/nihilist/horror setting, then no , no effort will avail and everything is meaningless. If its a heroic/optimistic setting, then yeah the heroes will find a way. Azathoth is a setting element , not a real character, and wanking how powerful the concept of ultimate nihilism is just pointless

>>54650615
Yeah. Azathoth pretty explicitly isn't an actor on any level. His mystic squid flutists are probably more dangerous than he is simply because they have agency.

>>54650609
>>54650593
If the Mi-Go are so tough, how did they drown in a river like a bunch of bitches?

>>54650535
So? If you can't turn on a TV that doesn't exist, then you don't have much of a chance, but I'm saying that killing logic is just as within these people's power. It is literally, canonically within the ability of an Exalt to beat the concept of "things exist in relation to other things" to death. With his fists.

>>54650651
The Elder Things were defeated by mentally handicapped construction equipment and forgot how to make internal heating.

So let's not get into the minutiae of the abilities of Lovecraft races.

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>>54649042
Another fun what if question, what could lovecraftian horrors do to pic related? I don't think much. Especially if he's in his realm

>>54650690
The Elder Things... Weren't the most clever of races. By that point they were heavily degenerated, anyway.

>>54650596
They just didn't believe hard enough

Humans should ally with ghouls, cats, and Elder Things to defeat all the rancid Great One worshippers infesting our green Earth.

>>54650572

Which is humans begging for scraps and getting nothing worth mentioning.

So, what? You use eldritch magic to invoke the name of Cthulhu to summon a byahkee to give you a ride? Big whoop. That's a special trick to humans, but Cthulhu isn't even involved in the transaction. You are just using his name to get your foot in the door to the servant race of a servant race of an elder god.

Like, Dagon. We consider Dagon a god. Dagon is just a big fishman with a few tricks. The Deep Ones are not major players, they just know more about what is going on that we do.

The only major player in the mythos that is aware we exist is Nyalarthotep. He finds it funny to mess with us, and his job specifically requires him to interact with the lower orders of beings as a herald and a messenger.

>>54650725
In one of the Delta Green books, didn't one of the future scenarios have humans, Elder Things, and Yithians teaming up against an awakened Cthulhu and his friends?

>>54650728
>You use eldritch magic to invoke the name of Cthulhu

Nah nigga, we're talking about using eldritch magic to invoke real gods, not squid popes

>>54650738
Oh right, Yithians. How could I forget about them.

There are actually a lot of bro-tier races in the Mythos.

>>54650758
I love how Yithians are just nerds who just want to nerd out.

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>>54650634
Plus they're adorable.

>>54650719

Which establishes that spiral power can fail.

Really, spiral power is one of the worst things you can bring to a Mythos fight. One, because you don't actually understand how it works (and that's dangerous ground in general when the mythos is involved) but most importantly: the effectiveness of spiral power is directly dependent on your mental state.

Against an enemy whose defining feature is fucking with your head and has shit like psychic waves that are powerful enough to drive people insane around the globe just from Cthulhu rolling over in his sleep.

One good psychic attack and your spiral warrior loses the very thing he needs to channel spiral power in the first place: his will.

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>>54649042

>>54650685
But he literally ends the entirely of existence if he wakes up. Not in any physical sense. Literally just poof. An exact of example is whatever dream you were having and you wake up. Poof, it's gone. That is literally what would happen. And even if you do kill him for some retarded reason since he doesn't do shit then everything ends anyway because you literally kys. Every facet of existence real or not is a part of him including you. This fight is stupid.

>>54650685
Your ability to beat concepts is itself part of the reality Azathoth generates. He is the highest level. You can't get above or around him. There's no fundamental power that can possibly circumnavigate him because that power must itself be part of him.

>>54650758
Now I kinda want to see a Trek style federation of independent mythos races just trying to get along in a galaxy dominated by crazy assholes

Alright, but who wins between The Incredible Hulk and The Flash?

>>54650832
The Flash.

>>54650316
>kill
Stopped his plans and made him go dormant within the Holy Grail again, causing mementos to collapse as the collective unconsciousness no longer fed into Yabba Dabba. And it took the intervention of The Adversary, Satanael, the guy who gave humanity freedom in the first place, to do so. Fucker could come back with enough time but likely the next SMT game or Persona game after the next one will deal with him again.

>>54650839
I mean, yeah, but people have to argue about it or it isn't fun.

>>54650830

I imagine they would be nomadic in nature. There are a lot of problems that can be solved with tech and cooperation, but eventually something retarded is going to swing through your neck of the woods and annihilate anything in its path.

The ability to run away from the big shit is key to long term survival in the mythos. Its a big multiverse, there's always somewhere that this shit isn't going down. The stars can't be right EVERYWHERE.

>>54650796
Then just make it so that doesn't happen. Just change things. Usurp him. Eat God, steal his wallet. If you can do anything then there's no reason not to. He's doing a piss poor job of it and there is basically no way you can do worse. Become the better moral underpinnings of reality you wish to see

>>54650743
You really think that you can summon the real shit? No one can really demand anything of any of them for the simple reason that they are not aware of us. Cthullu is low enough that we can annoy him. Anything higher is a unit of bacteria trying to save down an elephant. The elephant simply won't see it or wouldn't care even if it did.

>>54650829
Until I decide not to be.

>>54650867
He's not a moral underpinning or a creator though. He is reality. You can certainly usurp him or some such, but it also means acknowledging that this reality will vanish and never exist again.

>>54649838

Right, this. The issue isn't that Cthulhu is a big threat - he is just by himself. But the problem is that once Cthulhu wakes up, is that he reads his spellbook, and suddenly all of the Outer Gods come down to Earth for a party.

>>54650882
That's fundamentally not how it works.

>>54650867
Either you just don't understand or iam taking the bait. There is nothing to steal and that trying to wake him or do anything to him simply and literally ends everything. There is no better moral. He is simply ALL. His existence is your existence and doesn't do anything because it is just a dream to him.

>>54650888
Nothing exists. Everything is transitory.
And the fact that Azathoth is means that there must be things that aren't him, seeing as he can be defined as Azathoth , and so there must be a thing that is not-Azathoth. If there wasn't, then there wouldn't be an -Azathoth, because he cannot be distinguished from Not -Azathoth, so he doesn't exist, which means I win by default. I will become Not-Azathoth so that -Azathoth can be

>>54650905
Until it is

>>54650959
>And the fact that Azathoth is means that there must be things that aren't him, seeing as he can be defined as Azathoth , and so there must be a thing that is not-Azathoth. If there wasn't, then there wouldn't be an -Azathoth, because he cannot be distinguished from Not -Azathoth, so he doesn't exist, which means I win by default. I will become Not-Azathoth so that -Azathoth can be

Wrong. It's Azathoth all the way down. He is the top layer. There is nothing else.

>>54650959
Alright fine let's play that game. You have another Az entity which wouldn't appear in this reality because it would have to be outside the current reality of your Az in its own reality. And if it did it would be part of the ur Az reality. If they conflicted then both realities would disappear and they would both be awakened making everything moot.

What's the power cap for humans in the Cthulhu mythos considering the existence of magic and advanced technology?

>>54651007
Probably about where the Yithians or Elder Things got at their peak.

So interstellar and potentially inter-temporal but you'll hit a wall when dealing with stuff that isn't made of the same matter and energy that you are.

>>54650738

Wait, really? That's awesome! Got a link?

>>54650922
Then like that anon said he's not a character he's a setting trait. He has no agency and can take no actions, and basically isn't real. He's a non issue, and there's no reason a sufficiently powerful being couldn't just take over everything because Azathoth is a hypothetical non-entity and isn't actually going to do anything. Saying the universe ends when he wakes up is basically just a tautology. Of course the universe ends when the universe ends. Azathoth is a meaningless nothing, window dressing for the general attitude of the setting.

>>54651023
Can't remember the exact book.

All I remember it's the future, in space, and you're supposed to stop the Yellow King and something about actually going to Cortosa.

>>54651019
Could magic be used to deal with exotic matter and energy? I don't know enough lore to know if yithians or elder things have extensive magical knowledge

>>54650876

Well, you say that, but consider two examples:

1 - People compare "Cthulhu is to humans as humans are to ants." Except, in a case of a LOT of ants, they can kill a human.

2 - Also, in your example - one bacterium can technically kill one human, if that one bacterium jumps through (metaphorical) hoops to do so.

>>54651067
I didn't mean it literally. It was just an analogy. My point was that it is too small to attract attention from such a vast entity. And there ain't enough ants to scratch anything. Stronger more ancient races have tried and failed.

>>54649042
You should think about Cthulhu more symbolically. He represents the eventual end of human civilization if not human existence as a whole. Like the dinosaurs before us or the life before them things pass. It's like the terror of death that the youth possess but writ larger in scope. That is Cthulhu. You can ram all the boats you want into him but Cthulhu did not die in that story. In fact, the sailor who rammed Cthulhu died later and was already dead as of the story itself taking place. Cthulhu is still out there, sleeping. In other words you can do what you want to improve conditions today but nothing you do will stop the worst, ultimate tomorrow we all dread from rearing its ugly head after everything we tried eventually failed or gave way to new problems that we could not solve. That is Cthulhu. That is what this "extradimensional," "indescribable," "abominable" jazz is about at the end of the day. The typical vampire myth is much smaller in scope than what Cthulhu suggests and any vampire mythos that is the same scope as Cthulhu effectively is Cthulhu itself with a different coat of paint.

>>54651039
Of course. But that anon was claiming that he can punch a concept to death and rule. Iam not saying that Az rules as king but he does exist as an entity.

Alucard screwed up London

Cthulhu would screw up the entire earth.

He could take Cain

He could take Dracula

We should find the absolute weakest lovecraftian entity than can screw up Cain

>>54651134
That's because lovecraft was a boring, pessimist pansy scared of science, fish, and places that weren't (New) England

That's why these threads are pointless. You're asking if you can fight the idea that the universe is big and scary and white Anglo Saxon protestants probably aren't super important in the grand scheme of things also fuck fish.

>>54650480

Ithaqua ftw

>>54651061
Elder Things had absolutely zero understanding of magic, they were completely normal and mundane by Lovecraftian standards.

The Yithians, though? They had some nifty astral projection going on, up to and including the sharing of minds across both space and time.

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>>54649771
Doctor Who Great Vampires require whole worlds of energy to satisfy their hunger. They're basically Galactus meets Dracula. They were engaged in a prolonged war with the Time Lords that involved giant wooden stake ships driven straight into their chests. If I was a betting man I'd say that Rifts ripped off the serial State of Decay.

Life Force is also worth a mention.

>>54651170
Probably a child of Yog-Sothoth.

>>54651148
I don't really think that's the case. He's non sentient, doesn't have agency in any real sense, and is indistinguishable from literally anything else. He's not an entity, not a creature, not a distinct thing. He's basically just a synonym for 'existing' or 'real'. He's a non-thing. He's a word

>>54651230
The Empty Child could probably do something. He's basically on the same terms as most of the outer gods, I.e. a poorly defined collection of scary adjectives and such to function as a cosmic bigger fish to be alluded to

>>54651244
He exists as an entity as he is described as having hosts of outer whatevers basically play instruments around him in order to keep him asleep and thus reality existing. So he is real as far as that goes. But as a character he doesn't do shit.

>>54651277
Nightmare Child you meant?

>>54650685
JRPG characters are fucking dumb

>>54651286
Yeah, but if he's everything, and everything is him, then how is that piped to mass of tentacles or whatever any more Azathoth than like a cheese sandwich or Ghandi or the Arcturus system. It's like God in pantheism, except he's napping and likes flute music

I also don't really get why he's scary.

>>54651289
That's the one

>>54651337
It's just the fear of him waking up that's it. But it is not just him sleeping for no reason as effort must be put into keeping him asleep. So I would guess that any lapse in his lulaby would make the outer gods shit their pants.

>>54651209
Derleth get out you hack.

>>54651375
Yeah, I suppose. I mean isn't he basically just El-Manna-Shood or whatever except eldritch and spooky?

>>54651437
*Mana-Yood-Sushai

>>54649042
the vampire from the guilty gear games can teleport niggas into black holes.
that's his [ D E S T R O Y E D ]

>>54651223
So what's the peak for highly skilled magic users in universe? Apparently it's straining for humans to use it but otherwise I don't know much

>>54651459
Mire or less yeah. Only real difference I see is that shood coubciously created and will destroy the universe upon awakening. For Az everything is just a unconscious figment of his imagination and upon awakening, everything goes poof. Az is a little scarier to me at least since you have to struggle with the concept that you are just a piece of someones imagination and that eventually everything will just end, no fight no nothing.

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>>54651354
> There will never be a War Doctor audio simply titled, "The Nightmare Child."

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YISUN vs Azathoth. Who wins? What is winning?

>>54651523
Well, YISUN's dead and Azathoth's just sleeping, so +1 to Azathoth I guess

>>54651501
Not really super scary to me, honestly. I've come to accept that everything I know and love, and everything I am, could just stop on a massive level due to forces I can't control or understand pretty much instantly. Annihilation is always on the table, everything in ephemeral and temporary, so even if it doesn't mean anything in the long run, I just try to make as much good and happiness in the world as I can for as long as it or I have

>>54651571
Yeah let's kiss and make out right now.

>>54650089
I don't recall much info about what specifically shoggoths can do. They're protoplasmic masses that can form various organs and structures as needed, were used as construction equipment, rebelled against the Elder Things when they got smarter and the Elder Things needed to use some sort of molecular disruption weapons to put the rebellion down.

So they're clearly incredibly tough, plus some stories link them to Shub-Niggurath, but what else can they do? How good mimics are they?

>>54651747
I think they can change into simple things, but they are mainly just strong

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>>54650511
Even though I love 40k, Lovecraftian mythos will always be superior in my mind for that reason alone. Humans are just a minor transitory species inhabiting a tiny dust mote in a sub-microscopic solar system in an insignificant galaxy, unnoticed by a vast and uncaring universe.

In 40k, regardless if you're a chaosfag or an Imperialist, it's all about the humies.

>>54651437

I'm pretty sure MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI (He Whose Name Must Always Be Capitalized) was the inspiration for Azathoth in the first place. Lovecraft was a big fan of Dunsany's work.

You are comparing creatures in drastically different settings.

Literal apples and oranges.

Who beats who depends entirely on the author of the story.

>>54650113
Cthulhu was beaten by ramming, HMS Thunder Child was a Torpedo Ram (and by far the most successful ship of that type, real or fictional), so that's probably tilted towards the humans

>>54649042
If you are making this thread then you are missing the point of cosmic horror entirely my dude

>>54651501
So you want to kill Azathoth? Just pull a Star Ocean 3 and then fight him with no restrictions. It's easier than it sounds if you know what to do.

You see pathfinder has mythos monsters and Cthulhu is the strongest monster in pathfinder.

Even though it is an affront to cosmic horror, I was wondering how non-mythos monsters would fare against mythos ones

>>54654397
truth

>>54650401
>Magic=reality breaking down
It's not really "magic" it's just sufficiently advanced technology humanity is incapable of comprehending.

>>54649042
>So roughly how strong are lovecraftian monsters compared to other monsters
Depends entirely on the monster, they really run the entire scale from Mi-go who are basically not all that much stronger than humans, they just have incredibly advanced science and technology, to Azathoth who waking up makes the entire reality go "poof".

>>54650698

He is one of them, after all

>>54651523
YISUN, I'd say; even through division, all is YISUN; they exist even when dead.

Azathoth is just asleep.

>>54651523

YISUN is pretty much the Azathot of a more human-friendly universe

>>54651747
Shoggoths being connected to Shub-Niggurath is pretty interesting, really. Shub-Niggurath is to life what Yog-Sothot is to space-time, and Shoggoths are artificially created lifeforms made by the Elder Things. Aside from them being alive, there isn't really a direct connection. Maybe she was impressed at something else being able to create so impressive lifeforms (Shoggoths really ate pretty amazing, being essentially organic version of do-anything nanomachines) and adopted them.

>>54650017
They are though. Niggers are literally the lowest level of cosmic horror. The mere presence of niggers in a civilization degrades it.

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>>54649042
>it's an OP has never read Lovecraft and only knows about Cthulhu through cultural osmosis episode

>>54660482
I actually have Cthulhu, but there are some strong monsters in other works of fiction.

But reading this Cthulhu kills basically everything short of anime

>>54649114
>Lovecraftian monsters vary from literally just shoot it, like ghouls, to completely indestructible like the color out of space or hounds of Tindalos.
This is something that people get wrong a lot of the time. The idea that Lovecraftian monsters are untouchable by humans, and that they cause some kind of magical insanity when you look at them. Sure, the latter applies to some of his greater beings like Cthulhu (though again, not magical insanity, but about seeing a fuck huge octopus-dragon-humanoid phase in and out of reality), but not all.

Shit, the US navy dropped depth charges on the deep ones and drove them into hiding.

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>>54649138
Fuck off, speedreader.

>>54651490

You litterally cannot totally think in 4D chess while going backward in time unlike almost every weird entity in the lovecraft lore. You may shotgun to death some fish people or burn some shoggoth but you'll be retrospectively killed by the tentacle-nigger version of yourself from Tribungogoth 7 because the guardians thought it would be funny even though you are one of them since the nova explosion of Daldigurgh 3 billions years ago.

Isn't any "Cthulhu" on earth just an avatar/fragment/shard of the being?

Sure one of those can be driven back, like if someone put their finger under a door and you jabbed it with a needle.

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>>54660500
There are comics characters that could do - something - against him. Pretty sure Strange could find a way to never let his ugly ass wake up.

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>>54660601
>tentacle-nigger
Every time.

>>54653722

>humies

You mean: SPERMUHRIIIIIIINES !

Cthulhu would be able to take on all the fucking vampires in the world.

You guys need to realise that Cthulhu when he wakes up is an extinction event. Just him waking up and unleashing his waking psychic powers on the world is enough to turn any intelligent being capable of handling his psychic power on Earth into Starspawn like himself - while everyone else just fucking goes on a suicidal killing spree or bleeds out of every orifice.

To say it in Bloodborne terms, if Cthulhu awakens, he starts handing out 3 pieces of umbilical cords to everyone with 99 insight, and he kills off everyone with less insight.

So... now it's not just Cthulhu walking around, but every former human that had enough power to become a Starspawn walking around.

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>>54660588
>it's too deep for you
>he just went back to sleep
>he reformed, that's all

>>54660642
Alucard isn't a normal vampire.
He's practically indestructible. The only way he was defeated was that he ate a mythical were-wolf that was there, but also not there, meaning that he was poisoned.

>>54649771
Helsing alucard is the lowest. I believe some tiem ago people agreed he is a 4th generation vamp.

I know little of Caine so unsure between him and Castelvania.

Anyway if Cthulhu is a a PC he auto loses vs Caine as written in the rulebook.

>>54660588
Interesting picture and all but Johansen rammed into Cthulhu with a steam yacht; hardly the pinnacle of technology, or the largest ship around. This was the 1920s too; the steam ship wasn't a new invention, it had been around for more than half a century at that point.

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>>54660673
And after that he becomes omnipresent. I'm also pretty sure that he just wears a meatsack so people don't shit their pants.

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>>54660701
Yep. He can change into whatever form he wants for the sake of it.
He spent the end of WW2 dressed as a russian loli.

>>54660701

This pic makes even less sense than the 4th ninja war.

>>54660673
I've read Hellsing. I've seen Hellsing. And Alucard can easily be defeated by Cthulhu. Immortality grants no protection from psychic powers.

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>>54660726
It's a Doctor Strange comic, so yeah.

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I love the idea of a lovecraftian Red Scare, with psychological warfare on grander scale. To preserve public sanity, America ups it's propaganda output to dispel fear and let the populace know those tentacled fuckers are here for our freedom.

General gist of propaganda is that eldritch entities are said to be of Chinese origin/bioweapons/ space commies/ or the true form of those godless ruskies.
An enemy that can make a man mad as soon has he lays eyes on it?
No problem, just attach more barrels and make everything automatic/spread and keep your eyes closed. Don't have to be accurate if you feel every inch of available space full of lead and send it in their general direction.

>>54660642
>implying he wouldn't be groggy and fuck off back to where he was originally heading, Earth be damned.

>>54649783
Yog-Sothoth takes the form of billions of spheres that contain every location in time and space in our universe.

You can actually travel through time and space by exiting and re-entering his massive being

>>54660684
Cthulhu is a pc

>laughing_in_non-Euclidian.jpg

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>>54660724
Cthulhu's face got hit by a steam ship and he just went "eh it happens" and went back to sleep.

If alucard got hit by a steam ship he would be a bloody smear. He would get back up of course but he legitimately has no way of dealing damage to Cthulhu.

Cthulhu could Punch and wound alucard for the millions of lives he has and still come out fine.

Shrodinger alucard would actually make Cthulhu use his powers but he would still die because quantum mechanics are more like guidlines to a lovecraftian entity

>>54660701
Alucard had to "kill" every soul trapped within his own, sending them to the afterlife. He no longer has any powers other than his own. He's not omnipresent, and if Integra or Seras had made an abrupt decision to kill him when he finally showed up again he would've been dead for good. Not that Seras would do that, she's a sweetheart.

>>54661579
Seras best girl

Van winkle is like /k/ manifested

>>54661579
I don't think he killed all the souls he had, just the ones he absorbed while eating shrodenger

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Cthuhlu is just spoopy space Buddha. His greatest danger is not that he is going to personally destroy Earth, his greatest danger is that he will 'teach' you. He will turn you into a raving happy space nihilist because "God isn't watching, you arn't important enough for him to care, do as you please. In fact, why not try becoming God? Everything is a lie, Nothing is forbidden." He's not dangerous because he's going to hit you with magical hyperphysics or just crush a few buildings, he's dangerous because he is philosophically toxic.

Meanwhile Yog Sothoth literally exists 'OUTSIDE' in a meta sense which allows him to access all points of time and space. You might consider fighting him till you realize that you arn't even 'REAL' compared to him. You are about as real and dangerous to him as a schizophrenic furry's OCs are to his psychologist (and that's assuming you're someone important and not a background character.) This unreality is because Azathoth is a Dreaming Demiurge, the profound autismal savant who is actually snowglobing this damn universe and Narlythotep is the flickering part of his wandering soul experiencing that dream he is dreaming.


Trying to throw down with a JRPG character who has fought 'high concepts' before with pure conviction isn't going to work because Yog Sothoth will just reduce you to your analytical thematic components and file you away for safekeeping, while Azathoth/Narly are simply far better at this game because they are actually playing you. The giant anime robot will crush the dark tentacled heart at the center of the universe, and then the handsome protagonist smile, remove his own face and reveal that it was Narlythotep all along and say something cryptic like 'That was fun, but it's time to wake up now". Then everything goes while and we roll credits while watching homey scenes of Azathoth getting dressed and ready to go play with his friends to a background of soft J-pop. BOOM! Top shounin anime of the season.

this thread speaks of snakemen. I never heard about them before. Usually it is fishpeople. Can someoen tell me more about those snakeman?

>>54661441
That picture is assuming power levels scale linearly. If they're on a logarithmic scale, like decibels or earthquake magnitudes, then Master Roshi would be 10^135 times stronger than a farmer with a shotgun, which would make more sense if he's capable of blowing up the moon.

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>>54661695

>>54661718
10^135

That seems stupid high

Like the number of particles in the universe is smaller than that

>>54661676
Well, Tulhu also has the whole psychic...aura...thing. In the story it only affected pople particularly sensitive for such things, bu that was when he was just stirring in his sleep and got out of bed for a few minutes. If he'd be fully awake and walking around 24/7, it'd probably eventually drive everybody nuts.

>>54661695
They're same snake-people Conan the Barbarian has fought (IIRC Thulsa Doom is supposed to be one of them). They're an ancient race that ruled the world at some point in the distant past but are few in numbers these days. They know a lot about magic and can shapeshift into humans which they use to infiltrate human society.

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>>54661695
They did some stuff, but succumbed to societal decadence and evolutionary decay in which each generation was more dysfunctiona and deformedl than the last till the final ones were just fat snakes who happened to retain human level intellect.

Early humans overthrew their last civilization cycle (indications we were probably slaves to some of them) and build pimp ass shit like Atlantis and Lemuria with the few leftovers and secrets they were clever enough to figure out.

Conan's Stygian sorcerers worshiped some of them/their gods like Yig or Apep and maintained some of their magical traditions.

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>>54661676
>Giant alien monster tall as a damn skyscraper is only dangerous for ideological reasons

Yeah you've got a point but don't ignore the fact he's a fatass underwater dragon-squid

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>>54661892
>>54661831
I did point out that his 'teaching' is his GREATEST danger, not the only one. It's what sets him apart, he's actually INTERESTED enough in humans to actually talk to them. The fact that he still can crush buildings, regenerate, fly, and touch the minds of the global population simultaneously are just ancillary. Most of the other cosmic beings would just cause us harm incidentally, Cthuhlu will intentionally 'educate' us.

>>54650980
>>54650959
from what i remember the only thing that is not azathoth is yog-shogoth

>>54661676
>philosophically toxic
It was a scary thought for old Lovecraft, but I'd say humanity collectively has gotten over the fact that we're not really important. Most people just ignore it. Some people accept it, with only few having mental breakdowns.
If the Great Cthulhu surfaced tomorrow, it would be the new normal in a few years. Humans might die out, depending on what exactly happened, but if not, we'd soon adapt to the new way of things.

>>54651523
YISUN and Azathoth are effectively the same. I'd rather live in YISUN than Azathoth, though.

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>>54661995
Lovecraftian "cosmology" is at best unclear since it was never more than a rough outline, but the usually accepted consensus is that Azatoth created the universe, and Yog-Sothot is the universe. Yog-Sothot is sometimes mentioned to be more omnipotent than Azatoth, but that's probably due to the latter's lack of agency (Yog-Sothot can actually actively use its powers, whil Azatoth just sits ther and burbles) and our perception being limited to things that exist in Azatoth's dream.

Shub-Niggurath is the odd one out of the Outer Gods, really. Azatoth creates the universe, Yog-Sothot is the universe, and Nyarlathotep is the manifestation of part of Azatoth's soul and probably the the one actually experiencing the dream, but where exactly does that leave old Shubby? Lovecraft did consider her to be one of the big names in his pantheon, and she is implied to be of roughly similar stature to Yog-Sothot (he's called her "the wife of Yog-Sothot", whatever that might entail), but her position in the dream analogy is a lot less obvious than the other Outer Gods.

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>>54649361
>Those who are dead are dead. If we bring them back to life, they'll just get in the way of the next generation, right?

>another fucking powerlevel shitpost
best thread on /tg/, congratulations faggots

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>>54649042
If you're talking about post-Schrödinger Alucard from Hellsing, Alucard rapes Cthulu in his scaley ass. He can be anywhere he wants to, in as many places as he wants to at once, and unlike his previous incarnation he has actual infinite regeneration instead of just his million or so souls. Assuming Schrödinger's powers work like they're said to, anyway.

>>54649914
But what if I get Azaroth to like me?

>>54662743
Couldn't big c just like mindrape him?

He has less willpower than the major

>>54649361
Because Simon said bringing people back to life is wrong.

>>54663670
Mindrape one incarnation of him maybe. But EoS Alucard isnt just one being anymore, he's more on the level of an omnipresent god.

>>54664516
He can only be at one place at one time, the difference is that he can be anywhere at any time.

Break his mind and he doesn't exist anymore.

And there is the fact that Alucard really can't hurt Cthulhu, and all the people he knows and loves would be driven insane/die first

It's a regular circle of death.

And that's not counting on Cthulhu's ability to just break physics whenever he wants to. And guess what, quantum mechanics are a part of physics

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>>54660673
Has there ever been any evidence Alucard
has protection from mental abilities?

>>54662135
I respectfully disagree. I don't think humans have accepted our place in the universe we have found more ways to ignore it. We have replaced old opiates with new ones. Faith in science and internal focus on our society has taken the place of religious human centrism and universal uniqueness.

If Big C showed up and rewrote reality or showed our society and culture was backwater compared to the other cosmic sources people would lose there minds. Not to mention the fact if we all learned that gods exist and they aren't ours. that would make everyone pause and properly a lot of internal mental chaos.

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>>54664516
Not in terms of damage output and he might be omnipresent but Cthulhu is likely Omnipotent relative to humans and probably on good terms with actually omnipotent things (Yog-Sothoth)

>>54649042
It depends on which ones you're talking about, a mi-go is just a regular-ass alien, would die to bullet, but the weirder scions and spawn, and the great old ones often invoke powers, abilities, and dimensions completely beyond humanity. It don't matter how powerful your vampire is if he can't even fucking understand what it is he's fighting.
Also, mandatory "Cthulhu is pretty low level for a lovecraft monster", yog-sototh, nyarlathotep, shub-niggurath, are all gods by human scales. No, alucard can't kill a fucking god.

>>54650017
>I only know the memes about lovecraft: the post.

>>54650698
Morpheus is an Elder God, so he's Nodens-tier. So he can fistfight Great Old Ones and stand in the presence of Outer Gods without his essence being scattered like sand on the wind. Pretty ebin guy.

>>54650794
Underrated

>>54661063
>this is an Elder Thing, he fights for freedom

>>54650791
Or worse, spiral powered opponents who believe harder than you do.

Science would have a hay day with vampire flesh.

What kind of crap would happen if they got their hands on lovecraft stuff?

>>54649138
Can you blame him for going back to sleep? Imagine waking up from the gnarliest hangover ever, only to get smashed in the forehead with a giant metal thing. Fuck, I'd go back to sleep too, fuck that shit

>>54665973
NOTHING GOOD.

>>54666006
It's not like they actually hurt him.

They just died of old age, and he is still fine

Cthulhu just doesn't care

>>54651197
>science
Lovecraft was extremely passionate about science, especially astronomy and mathematics: the only reason he didn't become an astronomer was that he suffered from dyscalcula, which made doing math at the most advanced levels basically impossible for him.
>fish
Lovecraft's major passion in the organic sciences was marine biology, and he would frequently go down to the beaches of Providence and sketch fish, worms, and other animals, both living and dead. It was his fascination with the ocean that led him to put so many monsters in a marine environment.
>places that weren't England
Lovecraft was no more racist than other people in his time, and respected the HELL out of, for example, the Ottomans (Abdul Al-Hazared was a pen name of his since his youth, when he fantasized about being a turban-clad scholar and wise man in Arabia). His "fear of other races" wasn't the product of bigotry, but an actual irrational phobia: one which he genuinely struggled with and, to a certain degree, overcame.
Either you know nothing of Lovecraft, you think "Lovecraft: Against The World, Against Life" is a reliable biography (when even its own AUTHOR admits it's "basically a novel"), or you're trying to bait. Any ways, you know nothing about someone who literally has the most primary sources about them out of anyone in history.

>>54649042
Lovecraft monsters are all supposed to be "The only thing that doesn't make them destroy the known universe with their mind is their indifference"

>>54665973
One of my favorite Delta Green scenarios involves a lab who are being delivered a supply of diluted Milk of Shub Niggurath. They've still got a small team of lunatics who are steadily losing san trying to analyse it but most have gone straight to adding it as an accelerate/mutagen/catalyst to literally every experiment that causes them a little trouble.

Then someone decided to help make some funding on the side by cultivating a new marijuana strain with it.

>>54661695
One-half snake, one-half people, the "sniggers" ruled in the ancient days of man. Worshiped various GOOs, fought some angry dude named Conan a lot. Eventually, like most races in Lovecraft, they got inbred, bored, and decadent. Most of them died out, although a group of them living in what's now the "Empty Quarter" of the Arabian Peninsula figured out how to become psychic ghosts through mummification and some others moved deep underground, to red-lit Yoth (located below blue-lit K'n-Yan, but ABOVE black N'Kai). The latter group was later killed by a bunch of jumped-up psychic Injuns.

>>54665876
Elder things are the most human of the other races

If they hadn't died out there probably would have been a grans alliance in store

>>54666077
>Lovecraft monsters are all supposed to be "The only thing that doesn't make them destroy the known universe with their mind is their indifference"

Nah nigga. You can shoot a ghoul or a byakhee to death pretty easy

>>54666780
If they hadn't died out humanity would never have come to power. We'd have been slaves at best and eliminated as soon as we mastered fire at worst.

>>54649431
I remember that being storytimed, only all the text was edited to make them sound like gangsters. And all of the spirals was referred to as "AIDS".

>>54649042
This is kinda silly question, Cthulu is just the teenager they left to house-sit while they were out.

>>54649914
Why in all of the paintings and statues do Angels look like men? I thought the bible said Angels are androgynous/asexual?

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>>54649322

Nope

>>54667226
A lot of the angels are given masculine names. Gabriel, Micheal, Raphael, Donatello...

>>54650433
I hope that never actually happened to Ronnie IRL. Cause that's just heartbreaking if it did.

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>>54667226
>Woman Angels

>>54663123
Azathoth is basically unaware of everyone and everything. Read the rest of the thread: he's a non-thing

>>54649042
It's offscale for shit like that.
Lovecraftian monsters can't be measured by a human scale of 'who beats who',

They are unnimaginable strong but at the same time don't really care about humans or whatever space dust is in a random planet. They would rather be dead till the stars are right so that they can come back and wage interdimensional destroying warfare once again.

So what is the appeal of a lovecraft setting, if you're not a nihilist? It just seems to be nothing but abloo bloo bloo nothing matters oh no space gods and jerking off to how deep and profound it is

>>54667571

There are optimistic Lovecraftian settings. They usually involve teenage girls though.

>>54667571
I find it a lot more fun when you focus on the aliens and monsters, and how they factor into things. Not everything has to be about elder gods.

>>54667741
I know. It just seems to not be the defining thing of the setting, and I've had people bitch at me for not "getting" Lovecraft if I just like the cool aliens and monsters

>>54667571
>jerking off to how deep and profound it is

I don't think that's the case for most of lovecraft mythos shit or settings inspired by it. For the most part the elder god unknowable madness shit is just a backdrop to give you a set of stories where weird shit happens. I think with the stories and cosmology being so old and "solved" it does a disservice to the rest of the stories that don't really care about the deeper space shit. That's not to say a core part of a lot of stories wasn't "shit don't matter" but I think a good part of that was "shit don't matter so here is a tentacle monster".

It's like you read a book called "The fuckhound of Old Amberville" and it's a good spooky story about a guy who keeps seeing a rotting dog follow him around until he loses his marbles or some shit. Then you go on the authors super detailed wiki and see that ten years after he wrote it in a note he details the ancestry of the fuckhound explaining it's just the fragment of a nightmare of Yob son of Tus spawn of Ygsg-Shotal memory of Tu'kamoj. It kind of ruins the mystique of the Fuckhound but knowing it's specifics shouldn't detract too much from it.

In that same vein knowing all of the lovecarft shit is just a dream of a ball of spaghetti shouldn't ruin the individual stories being presented to you. It's easy as outside observers to just boil all of it down to "oh no the protag is going to see the star god and his eyes are gonna pop as it farts in his general direction big whoop" but that NIHILISTIC mentality ignores all the build up to just break the story down into its base parts.

>>54667801
I just kind of like the monsters

If you really want to understand love craft in a way properly read
>>54649431
>Warning crazy Japanese cosmic horror, read only if you enjoy not sleeping

>>54650698
Doesn't he get pretty handily recked by the kindly ones?

>>54660588
Jesus Christ, what a faggot. Look, nigger, the fact remains that while big Cmay have been reforming, he was still put out of comission by a friggin boat. Even in the early 20th century, it would have been very little trouble to send a naval warship to park nearby and lob a shell or 2 his way every now and then. Hell, if they run out before their relief arrives, they can just ram it. If it decides to just sink below the waves and trudge to shore, good to go, 1920s land-based artillery takes over, and then he wouldn't be able to hide under the ocean. This Cthulhu fan wank is ridiculous, and the argument in the picture "hurrrr durrr, the ship is metaphorical for mans power" is completely irrelevant because that level of power was all that was necessary to remove Cthulhu from the game. It would stand literally no chance whatsoever against modern humanity.

>>54660642
Fan wank bullshit. When Cthulhu awoke he caused the already insane to get worse, and strange dreams among the artistically inclined. Ordinary humans present as he awoke did not lose their minds.

>>54667936

What if... we brought a BIGGER BOAT

>>54667864
I've read it, liked it. Liked most of Ito's stuff (Except glycerine. That was just unpleasant) None of it really spooked me, but I'm mostly a horror fan because I think it's fun and I appreciate cool monster concepts/design. I appreciate you anons being as helpful and polite as you have been. The other times I've brought up me not really getting why God being a napping cosmic noodle bowl is scary or what the appeal of the divine elements of the mythos is, it just turned to shit flinging and sperging out.

I honestly feel like the mythos as a concept and a shared universe is a mistake and kind of takes away from the whole.

>>54650786
pls no yiffian the yithian

>>54667954
Yeah, I've always found the whole "drives you non-specifically insane by seeing it" meme to be kind of lame. I've always preferred the idea that most crazy people in mythosy shit aren't actually crazy, they just saw shit that makes them seem that way and didn't have the sense to keep a lid on it. Maybe some eventual paranoia and mental illness from the stress or trauma, but I think catching schizophrenia from looking at a big fish or something is silly

>>54668012
Nah, Pipers are not for sexual. I'd just like to have a big doot doot buddy

>>54668049
I've always liked the idea that the madness isn't actually mental illness, it's just that knowing the secret knowledge of the universe warps your actions so much that, to everybody else, you seem like you've gone insane.

>>54668049
I like what bloodborne does.

You can see things that others can't, you can understand things that others can't.

This makes you look very unstable compared to the rest of humanity

>>54668087
I like BBs take on most of the Cthuloid stuff. I like that the Great Ones are generally actually generally kind of wanting to help, It's just that them helping isn't necessarily mutually applicable to being human.

>>54668145
Blood borne is the best love craft setting

I'm going to make my own love craft setting based on it

>>54668049
Madness to Lovecraft meant more than insanity. There's shock, PTSD, stress from the potential loss of credibility and social standing, and so on. Few characters in his stories are actually driven insane

>>54668233
Yes, but in quite a few derivative works, and especially /tg/ related ones, it very much is just going bonkers when you've lost too sanity points

>>54668441
/tg/ isn't good at tabletop game fluff. Just use common sense to avoid memes and Flanderized garbage.

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>>54649042

When Hellsing came out when I was in high school there was a sub-cliche in the gaming group that had to act like him and and every DnD character they made was Alucard or Anderson 2.0. Actually Anderson clones were the worse because they would literally scream AYEEEEE-MEN! They couldn't say hello in the hallway, they had to swagger up to you, drawing as much attention as possible then greet you with that retarded Alucard hand gesture. It was so much cringe I started taking alternate hallways to get to my class in high school. Even my parents who are fully supportive of trans and homosex people were like "Anon, who are those freaks in your club? Do you hang out with them?"

I thought it would be better in college but the college gaming club was just like the high school club albeit with more disposable income and less supervision and had shitty Hellsing cosplayers who were typical fatasses and every character they made were Alucard clones as well.

Fuck Alucard. Fuck Hellsing.

>>54668721
It's an edgy show but people think that is the only part of it

They forget about the whole monster vs man aspect, the compilated relationship between Alucard and god, the majors all consuming life goal and all other stuff

Sure nazi vampire fighting English vampires with tons of blood is cool but it isn't why I watched it.

Though I would never do any of that crazy stuff