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>>54613885
Is the White Dwarf officially in Total Warhammer?

>>54613885
>>no subject
Wazzock!

>>54613902
What do you think Grombindal's been there this whole time for? There's even some tongue-in-cheek reference to a Black Goblin he hates.

>>54613937
I don't remember seeing any of that but I only got to play TW for a few months after release before my main computer bricked.

>>54613885
>no subject
Grobi level intellect.

HEY FAGGOTS. WANNA PLAY WARHAMMER FANTASY ROLEPLAY 2E?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84999/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-2e

>>54614006
Yeah, he's in it as a dwarf legendary lord.

>Preparing to run campaign for my players
>Altdorf-born Bounty Hunter who hates his profession, Middenlanders, dwarves, and wishes he remained as an Initiate with his friend
>Young Middenlander Squire serving a Knight Panther who are both inadvertently pawns of the Yellow Fang
>A romantic Laurelorn Kithband Warrior with nat20 ballistic skill and a hate for Beastmen
> And a beautiful, promiscuous Wissenland Barber-Surgeon forced to serve as a spy for Kislev to monitor the activities of the Empire and remnants of the Storm of Chaos

This will be interesting.

>>54614162
Get rid of the elf and you've got an interesting group.

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>>54613885
Ya fucked it up, dwarf! HAW!

>>54614162
They sound like a fun group.

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>>54614218
Give the elves a chance, man. If anything having a little racial variety in Warhammer is so interesting just because it's so rare and you can't just treat everyone normally like in D&D.

>>54614310
I have a hard rule in my games -- no elves. They're OP in 2e, anyway. But I also stick to the 50% humans rule. So I get Dwarves/Halflings.

>>54614310
Is that green-dressed lady between the Chaos Warrior and Bretonnian supposed to be an Ogre?

>>54614454
Yup.

Just started running a WHFRP 2e game with a bunch of people whose only exposure to Warhammer was through a few Dark Heresy games. I started them off with Pretty Things from the GM guide. Our entirely randomized group of PCs are...

>Altdorf born Kithband Warrior with wild ass BS
>Lauelorn rogue who is extremely young and fragile
>Human apprentice wizard from Ostermark, party conscience
>Human roadwarden, also from Ostermark. Her horse has gotten more kills than anyone in the party so far
>Dwarf sailor, originally from Karak Hirn, somehow ended up in Nordland, unknowingly being played perfectly by the biggest grudge holding drunkard I know

I wasn't really expecting this many non-humans but things have been going pretty well. First session ended with the party rescuing the girl from the goblins and arriving at Ossino. Any advice for roping these fresh faces into the setting a little more?

>>54614525
>Altdorf-born kithband
>young Wood Elf

fucking really?

Also at least 50% of the party is supposed to be human in any Warhammer Fantasy game.

>>54614525
Something's fucky if you have a city-born elf that's also a Kithband Warrior, that career is supposed to automatically make you from a forest retreat. Not a problem, strictly speaking, though.

>>54614550
Fuck off.

>>54614550
Strange things happen when you leave your fate to the dice.

I reasoned the Kithband away as being born in Altdorf, then bugging out at a young age to get in touch with his roots, eventually tracking down a Kithband that his ancestors were involved with. I know it's not perfect, but I'm the only one at the table who's remotely familiar with the setting so I'm playing kind of fast and loose whenever I can't immediately remember a bit of lore.

What's wrong with a young wood elf?

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>>54614631
>>What's wrong with a young wood elf?
Oh absolutely nothing, my friend.

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>>54614722

>>54614595
>somebody doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about -- or appear to respect the game.

>>54614631
I had that same issue with my group of players. I simply made the rule "No Elves" because I knew that I'd have at least one "le cool immortal warrior" or "LEGOLAS" type. And that none of them could effectively pull off the personality of any of the elf breeds in Warhammer.

As for young elves -- comes off wrong. They're eons-old and typically look upon humanity with little more than scorn.

>>54614722
She's probably centuries old.

>>54614806
"Respect" has nothing to do with it, you autistic retard, rule of the dice is a valid way to construct a party.

>>54614822
Nah. Not really. The rules have enough rolling in them. One of the hard and fast rules is a 50% human party, to represent the make-up of the Empire.

>>54614806
When I say "young" I think the guy rolled 95 years old on the age table, which is like 18 in human years.

>>54614868
No such rule exists. This isn't your hugbox, dude.

>>54614891
Keep in mind Warhammer years are 400 days, not 365, so their characters are (slightly) older than they seem.

>>54614903
>using hugbox wrong

Are you new here?

Carnac hasn't even shown up yet, why is the thread dying?

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>>54614980
Because there's no subject in the OP post.

>>54614806
>>54614891
Forgot to mention, the guy playing the Kithband is doing a pretty good job of playing a WH elf despite not knowing the setting. All I had to do was tell him elves are haughty isolationists with a superiority complex and he's been running with it. I would have encouraged more humans if I felt like the players were just gonna do tired fantasy race stereotypes instead of the Warhammer version of tired fantasy race stereotypes.

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>>54615017
I made the thread too fast - I think the bigger problem is that I didn't manage to link back to the last thread.

>>54614218
>>54614241
I do wish the player didn't roll such a position that makes him seem snowflake-y, as he's a good player, but it's what he got.

My Barber-Surgeon player doesn't seem too enthusiastic about their role, so I'll have figure out how to both put in the spin of her being a Kislevian sloot agent, as well as having her keep up with the rest of the party.

I'm thinking of throwing them all in Nordland, and have them deal with:

>Norscan raiders
>Remnants of the Storm of Chaos
>The Sons of Ulric and their quest for Artur's sword
>Nordland politic shenanigans

And I'm thinking the best way to treat their adventures is treat them somewhat episodic, with the Yellow Fangs being an overarching antagonist.

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>>54615087
Artur's sword was shattered by Ghal Maraz, unless you mean find the shards and reforge it. Which could be pretty cool.

One adventure I planned on playing in Nordland has Theodoric Gausser attempting to take back the Wasteland and getting btfo.

>>54615087
Why did you have her be a Kislevite to begin with? Simple Barber Surgeon is good enough. Always wanted to play a Barber-Surgeon, desu, but it's never been in the rolls.

As for what to do -- grab a campaign book or two. They're always good.

>>54615161
I had all my players roll on some Liber Fanatica tables to flesh their characters out, and with what we rolled on for the barber-surgeon we figured that a prominent uncle of hers from Nuln joined the Conclaive of Light and was one of many regiments that faced off against Chaos. He was eventually recovered by the remaining forces of Kislev and is being nursed back to health amongst them. With much of their land sacked and forces dwindled, Kislev doesn't wish to remain in the dark with the remnants of the invading Warriors of Chaos, or the actions of the Elector-Counts in the north, so they promise the Barber-Surgeon her uncle's saftey, so long as she provides them with updates and follows their orders.

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*Skitterleaps behind you*

>>54615217
I used the tables in the base WFRP 2e rulebook.

And then I tell people to make sure their backgrounds fit their professions and if anything even sniffs of "tragic backstory" I kick them in the nuts and say try again. As a result, my group ended up as:

Human Vagabond - Literal Homeless wanderer of the Imperial Heartland's roads.

Human Burgher - Ambitious and envious brother of the aforementioned Vagabond. Embarrassed by his black sheep bro.

Dwarf Watchman - City-Dwarf from Nuln. Grew tired of the shit pay and the racism and struck out for adventure.

Halfling Valet - Halfling who was left behind by his master's caravan. Joined the party for safety on the roads.

Human Squire - Squire of an old knight who died on the road. Buried his knight and is heading home. Joined the party for safety.

They ultimately got into some shenanigans involving the Cult of the Purple Hand and the Enemy Within campaign. In Bogenhafen, they recreated A Knights Tale to get the Squire into the lists.

In Warhammer, I like to lean into the system which puts emphasis on poor, shitty careers and tell the players to have poor backgrounds. They can win glory and find purpose during the adventure.

So, what's the deal with the gods that aren't chaos gods? Are they real? How powerful are they?

>>54615848
It depends. Other gods are definitely powerful, but especially in the earlier works it was hinted that all non-chaos gods derived their power from chaos gods.

Sigmar and the Dwarf gods derived their power from Solkan the Avenger, and several nature or pagan gods derived their power from Tzeentch, for example.

It gets muddled with the Elven gods though, because supposedly they were around before the Ruin and Law gods came out of the Warp. It gets even more muddled if you believe Asuryan was one of the Old Ones or a direct servant and that Khaine is Khorne's estranged brother.

Nothing's ever confirmed or made clear, but in old-oldhammer all gods except Elven got their abilities from the energy of chaos and law.

>>54615848
Gods in the Warhammer universe are Thought-Forms/Egrogores. They gain power through believe believing in them or living their core precepts.

>>54614310
I like how the Chaos Warrior and ogre are the most fair. Warrior even gave the Skaven a 5. What a guy.

>>54613885
how many heads are in the High Elf Dragon Princes box?

I want some dismounted dragon princes, so I was hoping to get some dragon blades and use extra heads on white lions or on top of pheonix guard

but I'm not sure how many extra heads you get in a dragon box

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Looking for players for my game! Warhammer Fantasy 2e!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84999/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-2e

>>54615848
Depends who you ask, when, and even when you have an answer it contradicts data as presented.

>>54615944
>>54614055
I'd join if it wasn't on roll20. My laptop's a piece of shit and can't handle anything more demanding than IRC or Discord text games without shitting itself and crashing.

>>54615944
If it were on a different day, perhaps.

>>54616620
The day isn't set in stone. I just had to put a day down or it wouldn't let me list it.

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Why don't you freehand more, /wfg/?

>>54616851
My hands aren't good enough.

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>>54615296
*Unghazi uknhi Raki*

>>54616851
I want to, to give my Brets some unique heraldry, but I can't even manage a simple Orc checker-pattern without it being crooked. Then again, I suck at painting in general - I can't get a good sense of where different colors of paint should go, only the basecoats.

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>>54616887
Here's the secret.

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>favorite province is Wissenland
>excited to see their units in Total Warhammer, but for various reasons haven't - no wars against each other, Wissenland gets wiped out, etc
>finally fight a battle together against Karak Hirn
>expecting a red and black like their flag, but hoping for black armor with red and grey
>they look almost exactly like Reikland's troops, red and white
>have to put them side-by-side to see that the Riekland's red is slightly more maroon

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

>>54617042
yeah, try making an AoR mod. I had to flip the colors of wissenland so that they would stand out next to the reikland troops

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>>54615886
>Solkan the Avenger

He is a lie. The rest of your post is shitty hedacanon.

>>54615848
The guy who created fantasy Chaos has a seminar that explains the core concepts of Chaos. In it he clearly states that everything originated from Chaos and to Chaos they will return.

Then you have Gav Thorpe's work and commentary in interviews and 6th ED content which clearly states that all gods in the setting are aspects, masks, or portions of the Chaos Gods.

The some of the gods are real. Some of them are not (Like Solkan who is a lie), some are just masks that the Chaos Gods invented or were given to them by mortals, and some are individual gods born outta of the intersection of the spheres of the Chaos Gods.

Their power ranges a lot but in the end of the day, they are all weaker than the greater whole that spawned which is the Chaos Gods.

>>54617062
>He is a lie
No, everything Be'lakor says is a lie.
>The guy who created fantasy Chaos has a seminar that explains the core concepts of Chaos
The same guy who declared WFB and 40k dead?

>>54617089
Name a single thing that Be'lakor said that was a lie.

>>54617099
>Name a single thing that Be'lakor said that was a lie.
Solkan not being real.

Now cite something that says Be'lakor doesn't lie.

>>54617113
>Solkan not being real.

If Solkan was real, he would have saved the mortal that Be'lakor sent to the Realm of Chaos to search for him.

And we have transcripts of every encounter Be'lakor have had with mortals. Not in a single one did he lie. He told the truth and nothing but the truth because Be'lakor's philosophy is that something won by lies is worthless.

>>54616851
I freehand a lot, it's really easy if you just practice, I like to practice by painting red scorpion markings on tactical marines while I teach people how to paint

>>54616851
do you play elves? Do you know if the dragon princes box comes with extra heads?

>>54617145
>And we have transcripts of every encounter Be'lakor have had with mortals. Not in a single one did he lie. He told the truth and nothing but the truth because Be'lakor's philosophy is that something won by lies is worthless.
>Having literally EVERY conversation an immortal timeless being who existed across infinite timelines had

You're such a dipshit, you're not even worth arguing with.

>>54617189
Yes, and sorry but I have no idea. Never cared much for DPs. The few I have came from eBay.

>>54617251
Every encounter that was featured in the lore, you idiot.

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>>54617060
While we're on the subject, do you think it's possible to change the uniforms of Bretonnian Men-at-Arms to duller greens and browns? The tricky part is that I'd like their hoods to keep their current colors, and I don't think those are a seperate texture or what have you.

>>54617495
you could add darker alpha layers to the textures on the body

>>54617258
alright thanks

anyone have ideas on how I can do dismounted vampire counts? Maybe just Phoenix Guard?

>>54617485
That's nice.

Now cite anything saying he "always tells the truth" and therefor cannot lie.

>>54617539
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516875985/tms-vampire-covenant-army

>>54617539
You mean vampire Lords/Heroes on foot?

You're trying to make Blood Dragons?

>>54617644
We have a good sampling that shows that he doesn't lie at all when he wants something from a mortal. Be'lakor wanted that man's genuine despair. He wanted to earn it truthfully.

Besides he has no reason to lie to what was basically a dead man. If Solkan wasn't a lie, then Be'lakor would have been made foolish and Be'lakor cannot abide that.

>>54617692
>We have a good sampling that shows that he doesn't lie at all when he wants something from a mortal.
Funny, the same can be said of most characters.
>Be'lakor wanted that man's genuine despair. He wanted to earn it truthfully.
That's 40k lore.
>Besides he has no reason to lie to what was basically a dead man. If Solkan wasn't a lie, then Be'lakor would have been made foolish and Be'lakor cannot abide that.
Other than to taunt a dead man for lulz, and the dead lack sentience so he wouldn't end up a fool, just an edgemaster. Which he is.

>>54617692
To be fair, it's not as if it's as easy to find a god as stepping into the Warp and looking for him. Mortals aren't exactly designed for navigating that sort of thing. How are we supposed to know that Be'lakor wasn't able to hide Solkan in some manner, or prevent the mortal man from finding him?

>>54617675
yeah pretty much, I'm probably just going to go with pheonix guard and file down their coneheads

>>54617692
I think the nption that Solkan doesn't exist in a setting replete with gods is inherently silly.

>Bögenauer? Yeah, definitely a god.
>S-solkan? What the fuck's a Solkan?

In a setting with dozens of gods going around and being worshipped umder a dozen different names, the argument that one doesn't exist seems retarded.

Mind you, the argument that Belly-Boy was saying Solkan doesn't exist because that deities name is not Solkan seems exactly like something he would do.

>>54617706
>That's 40k lore.

Same being in both settings.

>Funny, the same can be said of most characters.

Not for daemons. Be'lakor in unique that he is earnest because he is an egomaniac. Daemons lie but in the case of Be'lakor his many lore encounters have him speaking truthfully.

>Other than to taunt a dead man for lulz,

The man's soul was sent to the Realm of Chaos to wander there with Be'lakor's words being his the last thing he heard in the mortal realm. Souls are sentient. Souls are linked to the gods they worship. Souls are known to wander the Aether and the mortal plane as wraiths and ghosts. Morr claims the souls of his worshipers. The Khemri god of the dead does the same. The Four offer their champions and followers a place by their side with Khorne specifically having a hall for his champions. So on and so forth.

If Solkan was in there, he would have picked up his followers soul and protected him like all the other gods do. This would make what Be'lakor said a lie and would render Be'lakor's taunt pointless.

>How are we supposed to know that Be'lakor wasn't able to hide Solkan in some manner, or prevent the mortal man from finding him?

How can a Daemon Prince hide a god? Be'lakor didn't seem to go anything other than murder the man and sent his soul away with some parting words savoring the horror of the man as he began his ascent/decent to the Realm of Chaos.

>>54617777
Does it have to be Games Workshop minis? Because Blood Dragons are the absolute easiest to get.

Honestly, depending on how many you need I'd just get the vampire knight from the Terrorgheist kit on eBay. Most people put it together as the Terrorgheist and sell the extra parts, so you can get him cheap.
Although I don't see him up now, he used to be like $4. I think AoS bankrupted the bits market.

>>54617836
>Same being in both settings
Same setting. Warhammer is just a planet in the 40k universe. When AoS happened, all of 40k went up too.

>>54617868
Nope, it's a multiverse. Currently the daemons left AoS and are attacking a different plane of existence (40K Rift War).

>>54617836
>Same being in both settings.
But different settings regardless. Unless it was in WFB source, its not canon.
>Not for daemons. Be'lakor in unique that he is earnest because he is an egomaniac. Daemons lie but in the case of Be'lakor his many lore encounters have him speaking truthfully.
Actually yes for Daemons. Its stated that Daemons like to use trickery to sell a different result than the actual truth even without lying.

>The man's soul was sent to the Realm of Chaos to wander there with Be'lakor's words being his the last thing he heard in the mortal realm. Souls are sentient. Souls are linked to the gods they worship.
No, souls are consumed and all the continuity for Vampire Counts in fact states that the soul doesn't bring along the memories other than some small remnant of physical motion. That's why skeletons are mindless undead, and non-king wights only recall how to fight.

Learn to Warhammer, not just your 40k Chaos wankery.


>How can a Daemon Prince hide a god? Be'lakor didn't seem to go anything other than murder the man and sent his soul away with some parting words savoring the horror of the man as he began his ascent/decent to the Realm of Chaos.

Chaos wankery.

Be'lecuck gets to do whatever it takes to make Gav's Chaos boner throb.

>>54615944
I'd love to join, either as a DM or player, but my saturdays are booked solid. Good luck, though!

>>54617868
>AoS killed 40k

This would please me, and I cite that as evidence that GW would never do it.

>>54617878
Nope. Same universe. Maybe different galaxies, but same universe. Oldest lore has the Warhammer world as a planet in Slann controlled space.

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>CHAOSCHAOSENDTIMESBELEKEK

Reminder not to respond to Carnac, and that Total War: Warhammer and WFRP 4e as well as your FLGS canon are the only continuities that matter.

>>54617837
GW minis are best, but I haven't seen many dismounted vampire knights from other companies either

and the vamp lord from terrorgeist might work, but I don't think I'd want a unit of him, and I'd have to repose him to stand

>>54617898
Older Warhammer lore also says Solken exists, so what's your fucking point dipshit?

Maybe its that Priestley was right, and literally the only continuity that matters is the continuity that people want to use while people who rigidly adhere exclusively to the continuity of a company that says outright their business model is just models is an uninspired imaginationless hack.

>>54617898
>old lore is still relevant

GW proves time and time again that they will rewrite and throw out any old lore to fit with the current story line.

with what we have now there's no chance AoS/WHFB is in the same universe as 40k

>>54617914
You can't have a unit of vampires on foot in general.

Unless you're talking about proxies.

As for proxy Blood Dragons...the entire fucking internet. But I'd recommend starting with Reaper.

https://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#search/Vampire%20Melee%20

>Brotherhood of Amar
>Believe that Taal is the weak son of Rhya, rather than her husband and the ruler of the wilds

What's something interesting that could be done with this heretical sect?

>>54617931
>>54617927
>the only continuity that matters is the continuity that people want to use

Truth.

>Older Warhammer lore also says Solken exists, so what's your fucking point dipshit?

Oldest lore and newest lore both corroborate the notion that Solkan is a worshipped god in Warhammer. Whether there is a real god behind it is moot - Solkan still gets worshipped.

>

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>>54617914
Looks like the actual original Blood Dragon minis are about $8 on eBay.

Just punch in "Blood Dragon Warhammer" and sort lowest price to highest.

There's also this.
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?entry/2223-miniatures-vampiric-knights/

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?entry/2170-miniatures-midnight-aristocracy/

>>54617880
>But different settings regardless. Unless it was in WFB source, its not canon.

Nope, GW always said that they are same being no matter what reality they walk. Same personality and all.

>Its stated that Daemons like to use trickery to sell a different result than the actual truth even without lying.

Truth can be used as well. In the case of Be'lakor he used it a lot. In this case he didn't have a reason to lie. The man could just find his god and prove him wrong.

>No, souls are consumed and all the continuity for Vampire Counts in fact states that the soul doesn't bring along the memories other than some small remnant of physical motion.

No, they are not. Morr and other gods of the dead preserve the souls of their followers. So do the gods of Chaos.

In fact, when Sigmar quasi-died his soul entered the Grey Vaults which is a transitory area for souls before their final departure to their many afterlives. In the vaults he found his dead father and someone else. The Chaos Gods sent forth the dead Norse King, that killed by and was killed Sigmar father. to claim Sigmar's soul. Both father and son fought against the Norse King and banished his soul to his fell gods. Before Sigmar's soul returned to the mortal plane, he said farewell to his father as he went to his rest.

>Be'lecuck gets to do whatever it takes to make Gav's Chaos boner throb.

Like upholding the setting's greatness by adding nice layer of grimdark? Your benevolent gods are a lie.

>>54617931
>here's no chance AoS/WHFB is in the same universe as 40

How do you figure?

>>54617996
Its not really moot considering old lore states that he exists, as does the lore that literally shows Arianka existing.

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Just bought a big ol bunch of Maurader Skaven as I'm getting back into Warhammer, and am now soaking em in batch of acetone. Should be good to strip by tomorrow.

>>54618021
Moot to most modern lore. The only instance where it would matter is with WFRP - in which case it's the GMs choice. In every other case - moot. They are barely mentioned except in old lore and the setting got blown up.

At this stage it literally does not matter if they were real gods or just made up ones, with the stories of them being the stories told by their worshippers. Or even real gods under different names.

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>>54618010
>Nope, GW always said that they are same being no matter what reality they walk. Same personality and all.
Literally doesn't matter, AoS retconned that by simply existing.

Furthermore that's old lore, same as back when Solkan existed.

Beyond that, its always been bullshit because otherwise you'd have actual magic in 40k when psyker rules work entirely different.

>Truth can be used as well. In the case of Be'lakor he used it a lot. In this case he didn't have a reason to lie. The man could just find his god and prove him wrong.
But also could hae been lying, because he has no reason to tell the truth because souls are invariably consumed by Daemons and the Chaos Gods. Because Chaos Wank.

>No, they are not. Morr and other gods of the dead preserve the souls of their followers. So do the gods of Chaos.
Morr don't preserve shit, in End Times Morr didn't even exist.

>Like upholding the setting's greatness by adding nice layer of grimdark? Your benevolent gods are a lie.
And you're a fucking faggot spending your time arguing with people on the internet about bullshit that the creator said was bullshit.
>>54618012
AoS happened. Phantasmagoric dimensions of almost infinite size ever-changing. Shit, the AoS realms aren't even all in the same dimension.

Not to mention Archaon would become the leader of all 40k Chaos, since in AoS lore he's the supreme master of everything that isn't the Chaos Gods unless its in active rebellion against him.

>>54618073
>AoS happened. Phantasmagoric dimensions of almost infinite size ever-changing. Shit, the AoS realms aren't even all in the same dimension.
>Not to mention Archaon would become the leader of all 40k Chaos, since in AoS lore he's the supreme master of everything that isn't the Chaos Gods unless its in active rebellion against him.

You seem to be making a few assumptions here.

1. That AoS and 40k are happening contemporary to each other.

2. That Warhammer Fantasy isn't set further into the future from the 40k base.

40k setting goes pop too.

>‘Father,’ said Sigmar as Björn took him in a crushing bear hug.

>‘My son,’ said Björn. ‘It does my heart proud to see you, even as it grieves me to see you in this place.’

>‘What is this place? Am I dead? Are… are you?’

>‘These are the Grey Vaults,’ said Björn. ‘It is the netherworld between life and death where the spirits of the dead wander.’

>‘How did I come to be here?’

>do not know, my son, but you are here, and I mean to make sure you return to the land of the living. Now come, we have a long way to go.’

>Sigmar indicated the barren emptiness that surrounded them. ‘Go? Where is there to go? I have walked for an age in this place and found nothing.’

>‘We must reach the mountains. There we will find the gateway.’

>‘What gateway?’

>‘The gateway to Morr’s kingdom,’ said Björn, ‘to the realm of the dead.’

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>Though the scenery appeared unchanging, they were not without company on their journey. The dark shadows that had assaulted Sigmar flitted on the edge of perception, only ever seen from the corner of the eye, as though they escorted the travellers, yet were afraid of being seen directly by them.

>‘What are they?’ Sigmar asked, seeing another darting shape at the edge of his vision.

>‘The souls of those damned forever,’ said Björn with great sadness. ‘Eoforth said that the Grey Vaults are inhabited by the souls of the unquiet dead, those whose bodies are raised by necromancy and who cannot pass into Morr’s realm.’

>‘So nothing that dwells here is truly dead?’

>‘As good as,’ said Björn. ‘Though those consigned here may have been virtuous while alive, here they have been twisted into terrible forms by their hatred for the living. Our warmth and light reminds them of what they once were and what they can never now have.’

>>54618073
That last bit about AoS Archaon really bothers me; imagine if in 40k everyone on the Chaos side had to follow Abaddon. Doesn't exactly leave much room for creating your own warbands, especially if you don't enjoy the rebellious bit.

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>>54618058
The problem with Warhammer is that literally none of it matters.
The creator didn't give a shit, to him it was there to sell models, justify a good rule set, and be fun/funny. He quit when the only thing left was selling the models.

The writing staff don't give a shit, they don't even bother to make sure that the lore books that are released alongside the lore in the crunch books even lines up. Its just the packaging to sell more models.

The fanbase doesn't give a shit, everyone just wants to wank their faction and be a bunch of bitchy little girls to each other.

Arguing about what is or isn't in regards to Warhammer lore is comedically pointless. I mean for fucks sake, Thrud the Barbarian is actually a canon character in Warhammer. How can anyone argue about what is or isn't canon against a renegade British Mad Magazine-type character? Its like arguing about the continuity of the Star Wars Christmas special. At some point everyone sane and rational needs to just let the idiots rave so that others know them mad, know what I mean?

>>54614868
Where is that in the rulebook?
I've never seen that anywhere.

>>54618087
AoS has a timeline of millenia, 40k literally ends within the next thousand years of its timeline.

There hasn't been enough time since the birth of Slaanesh in 40k for AoS to take place. Furthermore the Emperor would have at least had some inkling of it, not to mention the fucking Tyranids which are drawn to massive psychic clusterfucks would have been all in that shit at some point during the long AoS existence.

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>>54618088
NOBODY FUCKING CARES, post images you fucking beaten wife.

In fact, post a model you've painted and prove you're not Carnac.

>>54618073
>Literally doesn't matter, AoS retconned that by simply existing.

No, it didn't. Be'lakor was carried over there.

>Furthermore that's old lore, same as back when Solkan existed.

Retroactively he could be a lie. A mask worn by one of the Chaos Gods or their daemons. In the end of the day, we still have one lost man with no one to claim him.

>Beyond that, its always been bullshit because otherwise you'd have actual magic in 40k when psyker rules work entirely different.

I am in thought process of them being in a single multiverse. Other people disagree. But we all agree that they are connected.

>But also could hae been lying, because he has no reason to tell the truth because souls are invariably consumed by Daemons and the Chaos Gods. Because Chaos Wank.

Solkan is a Chaos God himself.

>Morr don't preserve shit, in End Times Morr didn't even exist.

Yes, he did. Morr alongside other gods of the dead were usurped when Nagash claimed the Wind of Death.

>about bullshit that the creator said was bullshit.

wat.

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>>54618094
Naw, AoS lore is made to be so loose that you can slip in Daleks if you wanted. Other than the Chaos wank, all the rules are out the window, do whatever you want.

I have a question that probably gets asked a lot; when a character changes careers (from something like Squire to Knight or Soldier to Sergeant) do they actually have to go be that job? From a GMing standpoint in a lot of cases this seems like it would be pretty annoying to keep finding reasons to justifying the group getting together to adventure if they get an actual position with actual responsibilities.
If that is the case are there any tips on doing that?

>>54618117
Alright, lets break this down.

>There hasn't been enough time since the birth of Slaanesh in 40k for AoS to take place.

The timeline would go 40k - FB - AoS - assuming there wasn't overlap.

>40k literally ends within the next thousand years of its timeline.

Because then it becomes 41k?

>>54618094
Well he doesn't exactly rule it like an iron fist. I thought it was like the old days. It's not like he trains and appoints all the troops and leaders.Basically warbands centered around individuals with their own traits and quirks

>>54615944
Wish I could, but I'm on PST and my work schedule is variable and I don't have a working laptop, just a smartphone.
I'd most likely just let you down by not ever showing up on time or at all.

>>54618128
>No, it didn't. Be'lakor was carried over there.
AoS cannot exist within the 40k universe, we've been over this.

I'm not rehashing this bullshit. I feel like I'm posting at Kellyanne Chaos Conway here.

>Retroactively he could be a lie. A mask worn by one of the Chaos Gods or their daemons. In the end of the day, we still have one lost man with no one to claim him.

So you're going to masturbate that character into being able to lie to the fucking rulebooks and the omniscient third person.

No. Go fuck yourself you jizzsucking shitweasel.

>I am in thought process of them being in a single multiverse. Other people disagree. But we all agree that they are connected.
Yeah, through the Warp. Like its always been, just like Blood Bowl and the continuities of WAR and TWW. All Warhammer is linked, but not all in the same space universe.

>Solkan is a Chaos God himself.
Everything is Chaos. Nothing is Chaos.

We can argue this bullshit in circles by cherrypicking shit writers pulled out of their ass to wank whatever they were writing, #asmanyelvesastheplotdemands

>Yes, he did. Morr alongside other gods of the dead were usurped when Nagash claimed the Wind of Death.

Naggy killed the Nehekharan gods, Morr was an Elf/human of the Empire.
Morr never existed. The gods of Nehekhara did, and he posed as an Elf god as well so the Elves could mistake him for being Khaine's brother.

>wat.
Priestley flat-out said continuity is a suggestion, and only exists as a jumping off point. We're here arguing about this shit like its a discussion on the bible and the history of the human race.

Its fiction. Badly written derivative fiction, thrown together by over a hundred different writers over the course of 30 going on 40 years created by nerdy hippy who left the company when he got sick of the corporate bullshit.

>>54617062
Like fucking clockwork.
Don't you have a job or something, or are you just on welfare or whatever?

>>54618155
That really depends on your GM. The career progression is supposed to represent the sort of behavior your character is following - not that they've strictly been hired to do it.

The best example I could think of is something like a Rat Catcher changing careers to Soldier. He still works as a Rat Catcher, but he's focusing more and more on drilling and working as part of a unit while he hunts rats.

>>54618163
FB can't begin after 40k ends, because the end of 40k is the end of its existence. The endgame of 40k is all of reality being sucked into a giant Eye Of Terror.

There is no 41k, its been canon from the start that the entirety of 40k has been the End Times. Its literally the last millennium.

>>54618172
Even then, I can understand wanting to be under your own flag without being outright against Archaon.

>>54618191
Where is it morning in the world right now?

>>54618190
>AoS cannot exist within the 40k universe, we've been over this.

No, we haven't. You're just handwaving it saying that because Emps wasn't involved in AoS, AoS therefore can't be part of the 40k setting - ignoring the possibility that AoS takes place XXX years in the future of 40k when the Emp is well and truly dead.

Or even just the possibility that it is happening in a different galactic cluster. The entirety of the Imperium and everything represented there in is still one galaxy. One. Single. Galaxy. On a universal scale 40k is a fucking blip. This shit could be happening a few galaxies over where the Emp can't do shit.

>>54618202
>FB can't begin after 40k ends, because the end of 40k is the end of its existence. The endgame of 40k is all of reality being sucked into a giant Eye Of Terror.
>All of Reality
>One galaxy.

All of the 40k setting could get sucked into the Eye and Warhammer Fantasy could still be sitting pretty two galaxies over.

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Did you guys see that all the WFRP 2e books are now on sale at DriveThruRPG, and on sale for the next few days?

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php?filters=44232_0_0_0_0&keywords=warhammer+fantasy+roleplay

Totally shilling

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>>54618210
The entire universe of 40k is filled with Orks psychically shouting at each other and Tyranids that are drawn to any psychic activity.

Stormboyz or Hives would have shown up in FB, let alone AoS.

>>54618190
>AoS cannot exist within the 40k universe, we've been over this.

Separate universe in the same universe.

>So you're going to masturbate that character into being able to lie to the fucking rulebooks and the omniscient third person.

What rulebooks? There is so few canon lore about the Law Gods and even that little fluff says that these guys are just parts of the Chaos Gods.

>Yeah, through the Warp. Like its always been, just like Blood Bowl and the continuities of WAR and TWW. All Warhammer is linked, but not all in the same space universe.

You are confusing me with another guy.

>Everything is Chaos

He is a Chaos God supposedly. He should be able to act as one.

>Morr never existed. The gods of Nehekhara did, and he posed as an Elf god as well so the Elves could mistake him for being Khaine's brother.
>Morr was an Elf/human of the Empire.

This whole bit is screwy and I demand that you re-read your End Times.

>Priestley flat-out said continuity is a suggestion

That's his opinion. However, we are arguing about the established canon if you don't like it and have your own headcanon, then you shouldn't bother with this argument. Stay at your corner.

>>54618230
>The entire universe of 40k is filled with Orks psychically shouting at each other and Tyranids that are drawn to any psychic activity.

Galaxy.

What is with you retards that you keep mistaking a universe for a galaxy?

>>54618190
>I feel like I'm posting at Kellyanne Chaos Conway here.
Then why the fuck aren't you ignoring and hiding his posts?
It's not like he's clever or subtle about it.

>>54618240
>Separate universe in the same universe.
You are just flat retarded.

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>>54618227
You know, that's always how I saw Fantasy.

We the players are the Chaos Gods, manipulating and lovingly choosing champions then throwing them to die for lulz over and over. Then masturbating to some of them, handcrafting more and more elaborate scenery, raging online, and sitting on our ass not playing and pretending we still do.

>>54618244
No, Tyranids come from a different galaxy in the same universe and at one point the Imperium sent a probe to see what was at the edge of the next universe and all they detected was Orks.

>>54618257
Separate universe in the same multiverse*

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>Lurk /WFG/ to discuss goblins and dorfs
>Faggots discussing AoS/40k/ET/Chaos bullshit

ZOG OFF, DIS IS SKARSNIK'S THREAD NOW

BRING DA TRIBUTE

>>54618266
>a probe to see what was at the edge of the next universe

They sent a probe from Terra that traveled around for 10K years. I want you to calculate how long it will take for a none-FTL probe to reach the edge of the galaxy.

>>54618266
So, based on one other galaxy having orks and the 'nids coming from outside of the galaxy - you've concluded that the entirety of the universe is 'nids and orks?

You failed science, right? Just couldn't figure out correlation and causation yeah?

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>>54618278
Wanna krump some stunties?

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>>54618296
YEAH, STOMP DA STUNTIEZ!

>>54618286
Tell you what, how about you go ask the 40k general how much of the universe is Tyranids and Orks.
Let them bitch about like someone kicked a bee's nest, and get it off here.

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>>54618296
Bring it, you limped-dick faggot. Or do you need us to make more fucking fodder for you to grind under our goddamn bootheels, you miserable pile of secrets?

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>>54618285
Ah yes, warhammer online art. Probably because it was posted so much this picture of the white lion became iconic for me.

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Did anyone here actually use this? Was it any good?

>>54618342

is that the giant squigg? If then yes, is cheap as fuck and hilarious against melee armies

>>54618332
Since the Tyranids began their journey, they consumed 12 galaxies. There is no proof that the Orks are widespread in the galaxy.

The universe is bigger than those two races.

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>>54618353
Nah, this is.

I always get this one mixed up with the WAR launch cake in my folder, they did such a good job.

>>54618365
So wait, if that's the Giant Squig, what is >>54618342?

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>>54618339
The White Lions themselves are just really badass. Normal woodsmen who ended up becoming a royal bodyguard, with just a little roughness to offset their polish.

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>>54618278
You mean you don't just report off-topic posts?

>>54618408
>with just a little roughness to offset their polish
Which is probably what makes them more sympathic than other high elves. Also the fact that they are elves using two-handed axes. What a crazy place the warhammer world is.

>>54618396
Squig gobba.

>>54618336
Sorry but who are you?

>>54617062
Good thing i follow the Priestly rule and all this does not apply to my game

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Four years later and Carnac is still being a successful troll.

You know, for all the shit at the end of the day, and whether or not "Carnac" has been the same person or multiple people, I gotta hand it to him, he's persistent, and without fail he gets a response out of somebody. I'm less annoyed by Carnac and more annoyed by the people who take the same bait he's been pushing since '14.

Can't fault a master troll. Here's to you, Carnac.

>>54618912
9'll get you 10 that the post referencing Solkan the Avenger are Carnac too. It's the only time I ever see someone use 'the Avenger' title and it's always followed by the autist.

>>54618830
A superior breed of dwarf, without which you wouldn't have your best leaders.

>>54618955
Mentioning Solkan is the easiest way to reverse-bait Carnac.

>>54618955
>Superior dwarf
>With a completely dropped model line and no army book

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>>54618999
>thinking that means anything when Chaos dwarfs are objectively more interesting.
>>54618961
I winder why the 'how to spot a carnac' post got deleted.

Ok autists, strap yourself in because i'm gonna tell you the truth about Warhammer, Chaos and SoC

GW does not have any real chaosfag in it since 2002. Since the very beginning Storm of Chaos wasgoing to end with a victory for the forces of Order. It was going to be the turning point by which Chaos was going to be pushed back in a variarion of the setting that was going to see all the "good" factions on the offensive.
This didn't happen because to have the story make sense and not feel like they wasted everyone's time, they had Archaon besiege Middenheim and almost achieve his goal. The uproar it caused in the community, especially among you retards, who felt cheated on the results given by some stupid game, made everyone at GW think this was ultimately a bad idea and that customers liked it more when the setting was an hopeless "chaos wins" situation. This was also pushed by the few chaosfags left in GW who took the opportunity you gave them, so they decided to ultimately retcon SoC because they thought chaos winning was the outcome people wanted.
In recent years the drop in WHFB sales convinced Kirby that the game was dead weight and since everyone lamented how SoC went, he gave a deadline and said to the writers "do what you want, just have chaos win and pack this up"

So yeah, the current state of things is 80% your (and mine too) fault

>>54619029
>So interesting they got dropped from all official support

Yeah a real bunch of winners that lot

>>54619054
Warhammer got dropped from official support too, doesn't mean it isn't a good setting and game.

>>54619051
But people complained about the results because GW kept pushing them forward despite continual loses, making the campaign feel like player interaction didn't matter.

That's what the community complained about. Not that Chaos got beaten at the Siege but the fact they got to the siege at all. GW kept inflating games and scenarios to make Chaos OP - shit like chaos getting double the amount of points - and they still were doing abysmally.

That's what shitted the community - that our efforts were being ignored. Not that we were losing.

>>54619087
That's not how GW, or any sizeable enterprise, works.

They do a thing, cocollect data, and only at the end do they review the customer's response, after the poll (which SoC ultimately was) has concluded. GW didn't see nor cared why you complained,it only saw that you dir complain, and concluded the outcome was not to your liking

>>54619141
>GW didn't see nor cared why you complained,it only saw that you dir complain, and concluded the outcome was not to your liking

Making an awfully lot of assumptions there, buddy.

>>54618999
They had the Forgeworld models, and most factions are dropped now anyway.

>>54614310
The old world needs more Moors.

>>54619152
Just ask any corporate how and when they review the customer's response to an initiative of any sort. The numbers involved don't allow a careful exploration of the motives, unless the poll is organised so that those data are provided, and even then it's only at the end of things, because results gathered mid-poll could sway the expectations on the fibal outcome and spoil the effort.
This of course is subjectd on what you're proposing, but SoC had a relatively short time span, so it made the review of data mid-event either pointless or wasteful.
GW simply waited the end of SoC and kept releasing the prepared content, then at the end of it asked to his customers "did you like it?" With the only answers available being "yes" or "no"
GW gathered the results and then made his own assumptions

>>54619267
>tfw when I realize what kind of biome a setting I'm making needs in a region I'm having trouble with
>as in "heather moors"
god bless you, anon

>>54619267
You mean like uncultivated land, or Araby? Because Araby, while being named like it's Arabian, could just as easily be Al-Andalus.

Still don't know why you're replying to me with that.

>>54616851
I'm a jew, and so nothing of mine is free, especially hands.
I even pay myself to wank.
The word "freehand" in fact offends me.

>>54618316
>Gnar
wait, why isn't GW suing Riot Games already?

>Older GW minis are tad small - e.g. Glade Guard
>Ancient metal GW minis are downright tiny - e.g. old Waywatchers
>Later GW minis are tad big - e.g. Free Company
>Modern GW minis and most other minis are in the middle - e.g. Frostgrave dudes - but GW are heroic scale, and Frostgrave are real
>Reaper minis are fucking huge - e.g. everuthing
>Reaper Pathfinder minis are goddamn tiny and not even heroic to compensate

Goddammit, why isn't there some kind of nazy mini inquisition police that tortures manufacturers who don't follow single scale? I'm tired of this different scale bullshit. This is incredibly annoying and incompetent. I'm horribly butthurt.

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>>54619265
>Forgeworld

>>54618190
>Kellyanne Chaos Conway
>kek

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>>54618948
He is the grapefag of warhammer?

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>>54619346
Araby is the only dark-skinned people left, they need to be saved from extinction!

>>54619029
Because it's off-topic, anti-positive discussion, and stupidly trying to label a group of anons into a boogeyman label. I hope that anon learns his lesson and doesn't repeat his shitposting

I hope you all understand that Solkan is a lie

>>54619727
>that boy
Oh GW, when did you lose your edge?

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>>54619727
Honestly I hope all the unique Dogs of War units make their way into Total WarHams.

The so-called 'Regiements of Renown' currently in the game are naught but a slap in the face.

Its nice that modders have gotten on it but still not quite the same as being part of the actual game.

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>>54619745
Elspeth Von Draken is a similar case.

She'd make for one hell of a Legendary Wizard Lord riding around on her dragon as has also been noted by modders.

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>>54619326
You're welcome.

>>54619295
Making nothing but assumptions there, buddy.

>>54614310
WARHAMMER NEEDS MORE DWARVEN LADIES!

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>>54619858

>>54619502
The entire game got squatted, so why is it laughable that a line was supported by FW?

>>54619865
>Get back in the mine.

>>54619893
Female Dwarf warriors/rulers/etc aren't unknown in WH, they are just so much rarer due to Dwarves having a skewed mix between their males/females for some reason.

Also dwarves like their women THICC, this is canon.

>>54619865
>no beard
Dat's a cute halfling.

>>54619906
Weird genetics I suppose. Birth rates put female dwarfs as 1 in every 4.

Some numbers put the female population as 1 in 10 which, tied with their relative scarcity and the lengths dwarfs go to protect them would imply that they are targetted by enemies frequently OR that a great number of them get sick of hold life and strike out on their own.

At least chaos dwarfs don't treat their females differently. Except for the tongueless lnes that may or may not be pleasure slaves.

>>54619952
But can a slave really pleasure you without their tongue?

>>54619949
Warhammer fem-dwarfs don't have beards.

>>54619949
Dwarf ladies in Warhammer don't have beards, you faggot.

>>54619967
>>54619980
Yes they do. Must do. Dwarfs are a comic relief race, and so their women must surely look the part too.

>>54619952
A female dwarf Ranger would be a pretty cool special character.

>>54619980
>ladies
women or females
ladies should not be used for dwarfs, but only for elves, imperials and noble bretonnians

>>54619995
>0.5 Kerillian

>>54619965
Tongue just takes up valuable mouth space.

>>54620000
Don't you mean if Kerillian and Bardin had a child together?

If anyone has artwork of Dwarf Slayers, I would love to have them.

Need it for my RP-character

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>>54619988
>insulting quinn
That is going in Damaz Kron.

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>>54620045

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>>54620128

>>54620087
ah, the great book of jokes

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>>54620142

>>54620153
>>54619988
>>54620000

It'd be funnier if you weren't trying so hard.

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>>54620153
T. elgi who stench with umgak manhood.

>>54620196
thanks for a tip

>>54620039
Result would be human.

>>54620221
Your humour is still coming up a little short. If you want to stand head and shoulders above the throng, you need to stop stunting your comedic potential and just let yourself bristle with puns.

>>54620253
It is very funny that more and more elven children are born with less pointy ears.

So hear me out about how saying Solkan is a lie doesn't make sense. Bear with me for a sec and refrain from shitposting.

It's stated in lore that has never been explicitly retconned that the chaos gods are made real by the belief of mortals. If everyone stopped believing in their existence, they'd literally die. Now if all gods, as stated, generate from the realm of chaos, it reasonable to assume they follow the same rule: if enough people believe in them, they exist.
So even if Solkan is a "lie" in the term of being a separate god from chaos, he'd still exist because people believe in him.
So unless the guy tricked by belacuck into disbelief was the last and only worshiper of solkan left, Solkan is real, as is Sigmar, morr and Ulric

>>54620267
...you're trying, and that's the important thing.

>>54619865
do female Dwarfs have regular human/elf sized orifices or they are proportional to their height, i.e. twice as narrow as human/elf ones?

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>>54620279
The Chaos Gods and gods made of them are formed from the subconsciousness of humans. Their nightmares, dreams, and emotions. Mortals have no control over their thoughts and emotions. Their continued existence fuels the Chaos Gods and results in the birth of other aspects of the Chaos as new races throw their emotions into the mix.

No amount of belief or non-belief will end a god. Mortals have no agency over their gods any more than they have on their base and inherently corrupt natures.

>>54620323
Dwarfs are shorter than humans but wider, holes would be bigger.

>>54620343
shouldn't they be oval then, instead of round? squished like dwarfs themselves?
dwarf dick probably looks like sausage that got squished by something heavy

>>54620323
If we use their heads as a guide, they'd be equivalent if not a little larger. Though squat framed, they are stocky.

>>54620285
Its fine to be declared part of umgi Empire by Finubar, they are our long lasting compatriots.

>>54620337
I know for a fact that in the same book you took that pic from (maybe even in that same text) it's stated that to kill the chaos gods it would be enough not to believe in them, but as long as even one worshipet is left, they'd keep existing

>>54620343
>holes would be bigger
They already have a goblin problem, they sholdn't also invite more orcs.

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So, tell me about Finubar the Seafarer, Phoenix King of Ulthuan. Is he a cool dude?

>>54620365
Its not about dick shape but how large is newborn.

>>54620464
Some of the coolest, doesn't get enough spotlight.

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>>54620464
He is cuckold king who loves kegh-mon humans more than elves.

>>54620209
thanks matey-o!

>>54620464
Yes, he is.
He's like elfier version of Karl Franz, plus age minus killer smile.
He's a reasonable and wise ruler, he helped Humans in Great War against Chaos, by sending Teclis, he made peace and kinda friendship with Dwarfs, strengthened the fleet and trade (hence the Seafarer) and is an awesome ruler all-round.

He's not a great warrior or wizard, so he ain't seen on the tabletop and doesn't make a good trash action novel character, and so is constantly outshone by Elfstlin and Elfamon though.

>>54620464
He is the only elf who not only manages to not be a dick to everyone, but actually maks dwarfs sorta like him

>>54620487
Mon'keigh is not a word in this world, get out.

>>54620487
Go back to sucking on your mums bloody teats emo-boy.

>>54620523
>implying sucking Morathi's tits is somehow a bad thing and not a one of the best possible ways to pass time in WHFB universe...

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>>54620520

>>54620520
>newfags leave
>ree

Re-read the post, son.

>>54620536
I'd rather by sucking on Isabella's big, veiny, dust-filled titties.

>>54620557
>No mention of ogres

So, they're cool?

>>54620575
Elves just figure Ogres are just really fat Halflings

>>54620384
Nope, that's womething you made up. Worship is neat for a god but it's not the wellspring of their existence nor is it its primary font of power or else the Horned Rat would have been the supreme deity.

>>54620586
They aren't?

>>54620586
The word halfling doesn't really encompass fit an ogre though. Maybe they'd be called doublings?

>you will never see Tyrion do his tyrion thing and offend some dwarfs over a minor thing
>you will never see Ungrim sucker-punch him in the dick
>you will never see Finubar sail from ulthuan to come and defuse the situation
>you will never see Finubar slap tyrion and call him an idiot
>you will never see Thorgrim back him up
>you will never see tyrion throw a fit, culminating in "i'm shagging your wife, whatchagonnadoboutit??"
>you will never see Finubar go really apeshit for the first time
>a rage so powerful Ungrim nods in approval and khorne sheds a tear
>you will never see Finubar beat the ever living shit out of tyrion barehanded
>you will never see Teclis prevented to help his dear brother by a well placed kick in the shin by one of thorgrim bodyguards

Why even live

>>54620636
Tyrion would bitchslap everyone you mentioned and you know it.

>>54620673
Rulewise both thorgrim and ungrim can mathemarically wipe the floor with tyrion

Also it will never happen, no need to be so uppity about your husbando

>>54620487
Meanwhile malekith loves elves so much that he builds a kingdom where elves live to kill each other and tries to invade ulthuan all the time leading to a loss of elf life.

>>54620692
Malekith is my husbando, and he was smacked by Tyrion every time.

>>54620700
Could it be that the elves negated Malekith's right to rule because they realised he was a fucking idiot like his dad?

It can't be can it?

>>54620700
Its better to die rather than bend to human.

>>54620557
>humans next to elf lands keep far away from bretonnia and supply a steady stream of shotas to the wood elves.
>halflings are at peace in the moot and just farm and eat all day while being adorable.

Wow, NEET elves are rude.

>>54620703
I'm sorry about your loss

>>54620714
>bend
>hey human, give us your stuff and we will give you some gold.
Figures dark elves would be too inbred to understand a coinage based economy.

>>54620636
t. Malekith

But really, did any of the Phoenix Kings even do anything noteworthy?
Caledor the First beating Malekith is the only thing I can think of.
One killed himself, two died in their sleep after doing absolutely nothing, one was assassinated, Tethlis went full retard and was killed either by his own guard or assassins, Caledor the Second was such an idiot he managed to destroy both high elves and dwarfs, Finubar's greatest achievement was trading with humans etc etc.
Next to these fuckers, Malekith actually seems competent.

>>54620733
>malekith tries invading a land filled with these SAD! failing kings multiple times and gets BTFO, and banished into the warp.
>competent.

>>54614370
How exactly are elves OP? Sure they have better than average stats, but that is suppossed to be countered by the social stigma that many elves face as a result of superstition in the Empire.

>>54620733
Finubar managed to raise his people back from the brink of exinction. That os quite the achievement
Also we never saw him fight, who knows, maybe he is some kind of pacifist but is an absolute beast if provoked enough

>>54620762
The empire has social stigma for pretty much everyone.
>other provincials face social stigma
>hobbits face social stigma
>dorfs face social stigma
>bretonnians face social stigma.
>people from the same village face social stigma.

>>54620733
Finubar ends up killing himself too, right? What's with all these suicidal elves?

>>54620762
Nobody plays the social stigma right

The real drawback is that they on average have only 1 Fate point so it's less forgiving if they fuck up

>>54620741
>managed to create an entire civilization out of remnants of a single kingdom that can challenge entire Ulthuan and almost won multiple times if it weren't for high elven plot armor
>not competent

Don't hate Malekith just because your kings suck.

>>54620733
Finubar making more or less peace with the dwarves and extending the influence of the high elves is pretty noteworthy. But you are right some of them were more directed inwards, other busy fighting and repelling invading dark elf forces. You could argue that they could have done more shit in the world if dark elves wouldn't breath down on their necks constantly, but that's just speculation.

>>54620776
Too strong be to killed by anyone but themselves
But to be serious, a mixture out of Aenarions curse and a life too long to micromanage a ultimately doomed empire.

>>54620733
Those chracians really should've let Tethlis get the sword and finish the war.

>>54620789
>muh plot armor
>challenge entire ulthuan
>still forced to squat in leafland and WE WUZ all day.

>>54620789
Well to be fair malekith keeps his rule only on reputation as son of aenarion and because he kills evryone who even thinks of defing him
Without his iron fist and the almost-religious admiration his bloodline evokes in his followers keeping them together the dark elves would die out on their own.

>>54620814
>Widowmaker makes everything right, nothing can ever go wrong, you'll totally not go completely insane

Yeah, let's just ignore what happened to Tyrion and his followers in End Times.

>>54617909
fuck off back to >>>/vg/

>>54620830
>end times
Yeah lets ignore that

>>54620830
>let's ignore End Times
Good idea, anon.

>>54620636
finubar sounds too much of a competent politician to fall for the cuck meme

he knows elves are hoes

>>54620853
>>54620859
You two completely missed the point, but okay.

>54620860
Just make a Pelinal thread and get over it.

>>54620860
Well, I remember rumor has it that Finubar was VERY close to Korhil... Might have been a sham marriage.

>>54620911
>Might have been a sham marriage
As compared to what? The Phoenix King and the Everqueen don't really marry anyway.

>>54620776
>Finubar

No, Malekith summons a bloodletter into his room after literally calling him a cuck. The great king of the Elves, dies to a bloodletter. Pathetic

>>54620932
Well, yeah but more in the sense that Finubar wasn't really into women.

>>54620954
>Evil lord of torture, genocide, and mom fuckery for thousands of years
>Summons a chaos daemon to murder his predecessor
>BUT NO SEE ASURYAN ACTUALLY WAS ALL COOL WITH HIM ALL HAIL THE HIGH KING OF ALL ELFKIND
GW really put all of their hate of their setting and fans into the end times.

>>54620959
We don't know much about the personal sex life of every character. He was married to the sea, don't try to understand these kinds of men

>>54620984
Malekith's ruthlessness and willpower was what was needed to end the threat of Chaos once and for all. The other kings were too weak and gutless to take the fight to Chaos and purge the wastlelands when they had a chance. They choose peace over war giving Chaos the time it needed to built itself again and empower its foothold in the north and south.

>>54621015
No, what was needed to beat Chaos was less backstabbing and inter-faction warfare.

>>54621120
Actually, Teclis pointed out to Malekith that if he stayed true to the Elves and continued his noble work, the first King out of guilt (brought upon by the curse of Asuryan) and gratefulness would have named Malekith as his successor.

Malekith going full evil mode on the Elves ensured that the crown will be denied to him for a long long time.

>>54620984
Elven gods aren't exactly good guys.
They sound more like greek gods and we all know how that went.

>>54621147
Shhhhh, don't mention End Times here, you'll trigger people.

>>54620636
The funny thing is, Alarielle is Tyrion's wife(at least in common law - he's her sole consort and love), not Finubar's. Finubar was just given a year to sire the next Everqueen as per tradition.

However, Alarielle wasn't exactly compliant with this - she had to sleep with Finubar, but she managed to make sure Tyrion got her pregnant with Aliathra.

It's an odd situation where nobody really wins:
>Alarielle is forced to sleep with someone she doesn't want to
>Tyrion has to endure someone sleeping with the woman he loves
>Finubar gets cheated out of fathering a child

Although I suppose there is the possibility Finubar really does prefer the sea and never slept with her and just took credit for it.

>>54621188
This makes the Everqueen's rejection of Malekith for being his half-sister even more ridiculous.
She could've just played along and fucked Bel-Shanaar on the side.
Malekith would've given 0 fucks, because all he cared about was the throne.

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>>54620959
He had eyes on KFC of course.

>>54621348
>KFC the kill-stealing faggot

>>54621348
Who could say no to that dreamy face?

>>54621389
I

So what is the deal with Ice Magic?

>>54621499
no deal

>>54621015
>implying malekith isn't a slaaneshi chaos buttbuddy

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>>54621499
According to Realm of the Ice Queen, it's granted by the 'Ancient Widow' who is the spirit of the land of Kislev. The Ancient Widow granted Ice Magic to the first Ice Queen of the Gospodars in exchange for securing the land where she was 'trapped in ice' and protecting it from chaos.
It is also worth noting that in folklore, Praag is supposed to contain somewhere in its depths, a glass coffin containing a girl that could only be woken by a kiss of true love from a chaos warrior. This is an obvious reference to Arianka, a goddess of Law.

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>>54621511
We make deal yes?

>>54621535
That's Morathi though.

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>>54621499
Its magic, but icy. The Witches of Kislev practice it.

The Royal Palace of Kislev has entire wing made of ice that their current ruler created with her will alone when she took the position.
She lives in it no problem despite the temperature.

>>54621573
>>54621563
>>54621499
Which Wind do Ice Witches use?

>>54621593
None, it's theoretically divine magic.

>>54621601
Don't gods technically use Wind too? What Warrior Priests do is clearly in line with Light, Ulfric's tricks are Beasts, Isha is pure Life, etc.

>>54621623
There's similarities, true. But it doesn't always correlate. Consider Myrmidia or Ulric.

>>54621675
Ulric is Beasts, I mentioned him already
Myrmidia is probably Fire

>>54621293
That's a slightly different situation.

Even for elves, being thought to be shagging your sibling is pretty fucking degenerate.

>>54621686
Myrmidia has one spell that uses fire, but the rest of her spells are about leadership and strategy. Like Command the Legion, Eagle's Vision and Inspired Leadership.

Ulric has some spells that are similar to the lore of Beasts, but he also has a lot of snow and ice-themed spells.

There's also Verena, who has justice and knowledge-themed spells and even Gunndred, who has spells themed around intimidation and fear. There's no obvious analogue there.

>>54621738
Couldn't those be Light and Shadow respectively?

>>54621738
Leadership falls into purview of Fire as metaphorical inner fire. Consider Gandalf and his Ring of Fire.

>>54621759
Hmm. You're right, I could see that as a subset.

>>54621769
That's a real stretch though.

In any case, I don't think it has ever been implied that divine magic is tied to a specific wind of magic. They're just themed around their god's respective spheres.

>>54621568
Malekith literally ordered two thousand prisoners to be sacrified to slaanesh to make amends for failing to capture ulthuan and having N'kari killed

>>54618278
>tfw you remember when Warhammer Online was supposed to be a mostly faithful reproduction of WFRP
>but the people developing it were fucks and just took the money without making anything
>tfw you might still have an old copy of the trailer on one of your hard drives somewhere

>>54621912
>tfw you link the wrong post and meant to link the one below
>>54618339

>>54621912
>an old copy of the trailer
huh? both trailers are on youtube

>>54617042

if you have m2tw you can try Beginning of the end times, they just patched it in april this year and it doesn't crash every other turn. Actually im playing a vampire counts campaign and crashed only once, currently in turn 40 or so.

you can play as any of the imperial provinces and each one gets 2 or 3 unique units

>>54621188
Waaaait, does that make Tyrion the cuck in this situation?

>>54622005
Yesssss

>>54622005
Tyrion is a cuck no matter what

>>54621147
Teclis is an idiot tho

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>>54618099
>The creator didn't give a shit, to him it was there to sell models
>[the creator] quit when the only thing left was selling the models.
why would he quit if the only thing left was the only thing he cared about?

What would happen if someone not of elf race picked up the widowmaker?

>>54622005
Sort of - does it count completely if the woman is forced to sleep with someone else when she doesn't want to.

If the elven nobility found out about Aliathra's parentage there'd be a fucking massive shitstorm though. Partly because denying the Phoenix King his right to father the Queen is sort of treason. But also because the next Everqueen would be marked by Anaerion's curse.

>>54622144
If the everqueen was truly loyal she'd understand that's something you have to do, like it or not.

> i don't like you, you don't like me, but this has to be done so spread 'em

>>54617882
I just had to put a day in otherwise it wouldn't let me list the game. The day is negotiable.

>>54622249
There's absolutely no need for the king to impregnate the queen when it comes to the high elves, its all ceremony and tradition

>>54622249
That's the thing about the Everqueen and her dear consort/husband/walking tornado of firey death - they're loyal to Ulthuan but not necessarily to it's institutions.

Some of the High Elf nobles probably see Tyrion as a greater threat to them than Malekith - they're both militaristic proponents of the king having almost complete control - but at least if Malekith tried to take charge the plebs would resist. Your average elf peasant or silver helm fucking worships the ground Tyrion walks on. But they can't just get rid of him, because then who's going to murder all the pesky Dark Elves that keep trying to raid and invade?

>>54622331
But finubar needs to father the next everqueen with the current everqueen

>>54622644
That's the tradition - although the father of the Queen doesn't affect her legitimacy.

Waaaaaait

But if tyrion is a descendant from Aenarion and Malekith is his son, does it mean tyrion and teclis are malekith's great great great great nephews?
Does malekith even suffer from the curse?

>>54622779
Yes they are, and yes he most certainly does - ALL descendants of Anaerion bear the curse in some fashion - only the Everqueens (who are all also his descendants via Yvraine) get some protection from it.

>>54622779
>does it mean tyrion and teclis are malekith's great great great great nephews
Are you really surprised that this happens with this race and their extended lifespan?

>>54622816
And in what fashon does malekith suffer from the curse?
I mean ok he's insane, but in fluff that's never linked to the curse

>>54622844
Not really but i never thought about them being relatives until now

>>54622857
The curse is being cursed or marked for greatness. Malekith is marked in a similar way Tyrion is - there's nothing "cursed" about him other than being fated to do great things.

>>54622949
Doesn't the curse also state they will die prematurely and their accomplishments will mean nothing?

>>54622976
I honestly can't remember - in some of Tyrion and Teclis's lore the curse is described as being marked for greatness or being marked with some sort of stigmata.

>>54622888
They have the most awkward christmas dinners.

>>54623141
Then it wouldn't be a curse wouldn't it

I remember that in 6th edition the curse meant the two faggots gained a 2+ ward save when reduced to 1 wound.
Not that it would mean anything against my boy thorgrim grudgebearer, but the fact that a supposed curse brings nothing but good things miffs me

>>54623300
There's something to be said for having a simple life though.

>>54619051
How the fuck would it be wasting everyone's time for Archaon to fail?

I want to see the Tomb Kings besiege the Empire, which they should have by right.
I mean, I think so. I forgot who the #2 winner was.

If you make a campaign supposedly driven by the fan outcomes, its wasting everyone's time to fap Archaon to the finish line like a vidya that gives the AI a speedboost in a race when you're winning.

TWW doesn't give Archaon an out. Half the time when you aren't playing Empire you never even see him, he gets his ass kicked by Vampires or the Empire and sometimes Orcs.