>You gain experience for finding treasure >You gain experience

I pick none, I pick Rapture

>>54574578
This is the basic class selection process in 2e AD&D.

>>54574578
Finding treasure and defeating things.
SMITE AND LOOT

>>54574578
>[You gain experience for defeating things in combat] does not give you experience under any circumstance.
u wot m8
I pick finding treasure and killing monsters

>>54574578
>You gain experience for overcoming challenges that do not involve combat
>You gain experience for defeating things in combat
Fuckin' done.

Why would finding treasure give experience?

>>54574578
I pick a better system.

>>54574613
Why would killing things improve your lockpicking?

>>54574578
>You gain experience for overcoming challenges that do not involve combat
>You gain experience for defeating things in combat
These two, since not every combat or noncombat challenge will yield treasure.

>>54574578
No
>You gain xp for accommodating goals
>You gain xp from good roleplaying
>You gain xp useful for skills you actually use in session

Is this a thinly veiled dnd sucks thread?

>>54574635
But it doesn't, he picked the overcoming challenges that do not involve combat, for example lockpicking. Remember, you gave us to pick two.

>>54574635
Why would finding a golden chalice on a goblin improve your lockpicking?

>>54574613
Because valuable treasure tends to be in dangerous or guarded places

>>54574578
I pick the first and the second. Move into a bigger place, keep it messy. Acquire some minor treasures, keep losing and finding them in my chaotic dwelling for infinite experience loophole and argue that it also counts as overcoming challenge to make the progress twice as fast.

Alternatively second and third for sparring matches - defeating doesn't need to mean killing, so the same opponent can be defeated repeatedly.

>>54574708
so places where you would
>gain experience for overcoming challenges that do not involve combat
or
>gain experience for defeating things in combat

>>54574619
>>54574650
You guys simply need to stop.
Existing, if at all possible.

>>54574722
>Break into noble's house
>Plunder his jewelry
>Noble is not worth killing, neither is his guard

>>54574731
Not an argument.

>>54574708
Overcoming dangerous or guarded places to gain the treasure can be done either by combat, or non-combat challenges.

The second and third. Having classes gain experience from different mechanics was a mistake though

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>>54574578
Rance thread?

>>54574808
Might as well ignore completely forgotten ruins then

>Challenges and combat

Cuz muh verisimilitude.

Tho shout-outs for treasure because that creates some awesome interactions.

>>54574578
Number 1 and number 2
Fighting should be a 'oh shit' failure state, not a goal

>>54574766
Breaking into the noble's house and plundering his jewelry is a challenge that does not involve combat.

>>54574975
Treasure is always useful because of what you can do with it besides XP.

I just use XP for treasure. Players shouldn't be penalized for avoiding obstacles rather than overcoming them... so rather than give XP for every obstacle they could POTENTIALLY have come into contact with, I just don't incentivize overcoming obstacles.

>>54574596
Nice

>>54575089
Same. Killing things for XP rather than any in-game reason to kill them is the worst sort of cancerous murderhoboism.

And GP=XP means that they KNOW the golden eyes of the Toad God are worth 5,000 XP. Clear and immediate, none of that 'uh, surviving the quicksand, that was an obstacle, the lock was an obstacle, jumping the pit was an obstacle- oh wait you went around and never saw the pit, hmmm...

>>54574992

>Fighting should be a 'oh shit' failure state, not a goal


Depends on system.

>>54574578
>treasure
>overcoming challenges
It's retarded that you would segregate "overcoming from challenges" from "combat" so in your theoretical garbage game is combat never a challenge?
That being said, for a thief game it would make sense to disincentive combat

>>54575176
Do you need your safe room?

>>54574635
Because you absorb the life essence of that which you kill to empower yourself. Treasure doesn't have life essence. Unless you're using some really fucked up treasure.

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>You gain experience for finding treasure
>Its based on the value of the treasure
>hold onto artifacts that will appreciate in price
>level up just by making sound investments and watching your net worth grow

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>>54575259
But if you're holding on to it, you've already found it.

>>54575259
Not how that works, brother

>>54574578
fuck pick two
>You gain experience for finding treasure
is all I need

>>54575259
The question is - do you lose experience when things you own go down in value?

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>>54575314
>Self induce amnesia via magical means
>Keep discovering the same piece of treasure
There you go, infinite experience

>>54575439
Grats you forget about the treasure and lose the experience in the procress. And you trap yourself in an infinite loop because you don't realize what you've done to yourself and die of old age.

>>54575314
Do you gain the experience the exact moment you find the treasure? If so, how do you know how much experience you get without going out into the market and finding out the value of the treasure?

>>54574578
1 and 2.

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>>54574578
>>54575259
>Lose experience if...
>The people you kill come back to life/undeath
>You sell/lose treasure
>You defeat things in combat

>>54574578
> Training is a game of Egg hunt
> Training is an Escape room
> Training is an arena

>>54574578
1 and 3, weighted heavily towards 1.
>muh feedback loop
>classics a best

2 sounds like a hassle.
I'd rather apply my limited tolerance for bookkeeping to more interesting endeavors.

>>54574912

Can we pick gaining XP for finding cute girls?

>>54574578
can I pick just the challenges not involving combat and say fuck the other two? it's the only one that typically needs any kind of actual incentive. your reward for defeating shit in combat is not dying. your reward for finding treasure is treasure.

>>54574578
Do you mean for designing a system, or as a sort of class-based progression difference?

For a system, go for either treasure and noncombat challenges, or noncombat challenges and defeating things. Treasure and killing things can be pretty interchangeable if there's a reward either way.

From a party perspective, that depends a lot on what the rest of the group is built to do, but I would say a thief with the first two could be pretty fun.

>>54574635
You unlock their death.

>not XP for accomplishing major milestones or goals

who the fuck is gonna find 5000 XP worth of diamonds? seriously.

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>>54574766
>>gain experience for overcoming challenges that do not involve combat
Son you might want to invest some skill points into reading comprehension

>>54574613
This

>>54574613
This

Treasure is it's own reward.
Giving xp for treasure is redundant with giving it for overcoming challenges; Acquiring treasure is a challenge.

>>54576054
>Weaken the BBEG by resurrecting his victims

>>54574578
>You gain experience for finding treasure
Your system is shit if it does this.

>>54574578
>5000xp worth of diamonds
>xp worth
>diamonds
Shinies get valued in currency retard, why would I buy a house or bribe someone with xp?

>>54574578
I'm AD&D 2e with both sets of optional XP rules online, I pick all three.

>>54574613
>Why would finding treasure give experience?
Are you familiar with the concept of the incentive loop?

>>54574578
>The third one does not give you experience under any circumstances
What did they mean by this?