/nwg/ naval wargames general

>>54573212
What would you guys recommend for modern day naval combat?
GHQ's models look amazing and I'd love a reason to buy them.

>>54574095
I think the gold standard is Harpoon 3. Check the OP MF, I think there's some of it in there. Can't comment directly though, WW1/WWII and Age of Sail guy mostly.

>>54573848
What's her name, my good sir ?

She looks so ... uncanny

>>54574193
Admiral Graf Spee

>>54574193
GIS only says it's a "German battleship". Which seems wrong.

>>54574226
Thank you

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it's weird thinking about how all these warships are really just giant motorboats

picked up Rule the Waves. how do i git gud?

>>54573848
Those guns seem a bit big for that bote.

>>54581221
Do a few playthroughs. It's not that hard to learn, and the stupid designs you come up with in your first playthrough will be a lot of fun until you eventually figure out 'optimal' picks for things.

>>54574231
Do the little sideguns have a particular purpose?

>>54582335
The cuts in the mounts are fairly tall, so I'd guess dual purpose artillery. Could be wrong. Either way, typical secondary battery stuff.

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>>54582335
The 15cm single gun mounts?
Probably to beef up firepower against destroyer and cruiser targets.
The double mount above them are 10.5cm DP mounts. Pic related, they had a triaxial mounting which really didn't work out all that well.

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what sea guns are best sea guns

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>>54583808
my sea guns are best sea guns because kruppstahl

>>54582335
>>54582555
>>54582589
The Deutschland-class "cruisers" were built to replace aging pre-dreadnoughts left in German service after WWI, which could serve in a coastal defense or commerce raiding role with bigger guns than a cruiser but less armor and smaller guns than a battleship which they were prohibited from building at the time by treaty. Its 11in guns were meant to out-shoot cruisers and would have been more a nuisance to a proper battleship than a useful tool.

The 15cm guns were only capable of elevating to 40 degrees which was ineffective for anti-air use, so it would have been mainly intended to handle destroyers similar to the secondary battery of a dreadnought or pre-dreadnought. The 11in main armament wasn't as bad at that role as a 15in or 16in mount, but still wasn't the ideal.

Anything else on the bote would be DP (read: heavy AA), which varied for the class over their service lives.

Okay /nwg/ admiral, I'm trying to show a friend what these war games actually look like. Can you guys post models, especially the pretty painted ones? Also some size references too if it isn't too much trouble?

>>54588254
Wow those are beautiful. Do they come like that? Do you assemble and/or paint them?

>>54588291
Sails of Glory has some really nice preprinted age of sail ships, along the same quality lines Astor X-Wing minis, but also at a similar price because they come with a similar amount of materials besides the mini. Those in the pic are some that were painted and assembled. The easiest way you can tell is if you see rigging lines, because that shit can't be molded.

>>54593210
Are those rudders right below the bow? That is the ships' bow, right?

>>54593669
Yes. It's a torpedo ram, so the bow needs to be very precisely maneuverable.

>>54593669
Yeah I forget what they are called, but their purpose was that in the new age with the width and relative depth of the hull they could not bring the bow around to any relative heading due to a lack of engine power and poor rudder performance.

The placed small mini rudders up there to prevent current drag and flow control for the bow.

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One thing I like about this game is how much it makes me worry about my capital ships, even more than RtW.
I'm 80% sure that at least one of my botes will get hit by a drifting mine here.
It happened before and cost me a modern cruiser, yet I still go for these kind of missions.

>>54580974

>WOWS will never have pre-dreadnoughts or an Austria-Hungary line

>>54594451
I would love to see a WoWs style game that was focused more on the turn of the century and WWI, and without all the troublesome aspects of WoWs.

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>>54594429
Turns out the RNG spared me from any mine-related hijinks this time. Although I had two very close encounters with some patrolling destroyers after SMS Mainz got lost and started steaming in circles in a bight near Hartlepool. Luckily they didn't get any torpedoes off, or they all missed.
Checking the map revealed that HMS Inflexible was out with a rather light escort, a shame that I didn't encounter them instead.

>>54571592
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Princess_Irene

>Not sure how long it took for the stuff to stop falling, but the distances always amaze me.

>A collier half a mile (800 m) away had its crane blown off its mountings. A part of one of Princess Irene's boilers landed on the ship; a man working on the ship died from injuries sustained when he was struck by a piece of metal weighing 70 pounds (32 kg).[4][5][7][8]

>Wreckage was flung up to 20 miles (32 km) away, with people near Sittingbourne being injured by flying débris,[3] some of which landed in Bredhurst.[2] Severed heads were found at Hartlip and on the Isle of Grain. A case of butter landed at Rainham, 6 miles (10 km) away.[6] A 10-ton (10,160 kg) section of the ship landed on the Isle of Grain.

Thanks.

What would have been the fix for HMS Hood's problem of her ventilation system taking on water due to the extra armor she was built with and not designed for causing her to ride lower and at have parts of the deck awash when at speed?

Was there an easy fix or not given her design?

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>>54594653
can you sink merchant vessels to create obstructions in ports?

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>>54598314
Sadly not in this one. Although there's a Russo-Japanese War campaign that features blockships.
Sadly they made that one standalone, so you have to buy it seperately from the regular Steam and Iron.

And I've been assigned a bombardement mission again. Badly damaged 3 ships, maybe 4, to the point where they should sink. 2 River-class DDs and these 2 CLs here. I sure as hell am not sticking around until the Grand Fleet comes barreling in just to confirm their sinking.

>>54598224
Not a big expert but it really sounded like the sort of thing that would only be fixed by a total redesign of the ventilation system, and I have no idea how feasible that could have been.

Speaking of HMS Hood, I was surprised to learn recently that she was literally just 2 feet 3 inches shorter overall than the Yamato.

>>54598487
long ship is loooooooooooong

>>54598511
Yamato did admittedly have a much wider beam, but indeed. Fat Hotel was fat.

>>54598487
I'm not surprised, to be honest. IIRC, the longer and thinner a ship, the higher the speed it can attain.
And Hood was extremely fast as built. 31 or 32 knots.

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>>54598584
>And Hood was extremely fast as built. 31 or 32 knots.

Pity they ruined her with that extra armor.

>>54598687

well they also didn't bring her in for major overhauls like they should have because she had such a busy schedule showing the flag all around the world. by the time world war II started she was badly out of shape and of course there was no time to lay her up for the extensive repairs she needed.

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>>54598543
pls no bully

>>54600387
That also happened to Rodney, didn't it?

>>54594591

I'd love to just get more tier II battleships. Mikasa is nice, but I'd also like to see Tegetthoff or Ersatz Monarch.

>>54594451
it has pre-dreadnoughts. The Mikasa, the Aurora and her sister ship. Saint Louis, and a couple more.

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>>54580974
they have an awesome model of the viribus unitis in vienna.

>>54598687
Every time I see this pic I think Vanguard's starboard bow has been torn open because of the weird dark splotch on it.

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This fucking boat.
Been seperated from her division for 11 hours at the time of this screenshot. At first she stumbles into a British CL division with 2 escorting DD divisions right after nightfall and gets sandwiched between the DDs for 30 minutes without taking a single hit while I desperately try to get her to rejoin my CL screen and then blows up the HMS Southampton within 2 minutes of sighting her.
In the end she didn't take any damage, not even splinters, while all the other CLs in her division will be in repair for at least a week due to light gunfire damage.
I've never been so mad at, and at the same time impressed, by one of my own ships before.

>>54609842
Huh, it ain't every day that you see color pictures of her.

>>54610684
Damn gorgeous.

>>54607705
Very nice.
Thank you.

>>54607673
too bad wargaming doesn't give a fuck about low tier

>>54590482
>>>54588291
>Sails of Glory has some really nice preprinted age of sail ships
I think you need to get your glasses prescription updated

what other british capitol ships has problems with the ventilation system flooding?

>>54612687
Hood's the only one I know off the top of my head. However, if you're looking for interestingly problematic issues on RN capital ships in general, there's always the tale of the Nelson class' main guns:

>http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_16-45_mk1.php
>http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-059.htm

>>54612278
Mate, I'm saying that most emphatically those ships in the pic aren't sails of Glory. They're probably Langton or GHQ. Hence the bit about ratlines not being moldable, and evidence that the ships in the pic were assembled and painted, not prepaints. And yes, for being prepaints, Sails of Glory isn't bad.

Would the Nelson's have gotten a better power-to-engineering-space ratio with Diesel engines?

>>54613504
>Mate, I'm saying that most emphatically those ships in the pic aren't sails of Glory.
I know, which is why I specifically quoted the section I disagreed with. I was shocked at how crude Sails of Glory miniatures were particularly at the price that they were asking for.

>>54613815
If they did, I kind of wonder if there would be horrendous vibration problems instead.

>>54613832
Fair enough. I'll definitely agree that they're overpriced, but unless they look way worse in person than the pictures I've seen in batreps, then they're pretty decent in terms of prepaints. Keep in mind that I've probably paid way too much money for badly painted CMG plastic in my life and my opinion may be skewed a bit as to the baseline for decent. But repainting said badly painted plastic has taught me that oftentimes there is a lot of detail the sculptors put in that's hidden under bad paint that can be brought out for significantly better results.

>>54613843
>If they did, I kind of wonder if there would be horrendous vibration problems instead.

Did the Deutschland-class have that problem?

>>54614120
Yeah. They didn't really know what they were doing back then with marine diesel.

>>54614319
They were gonna use diesel on a lot of the planned capital ships too, yeah?

>>54607673
Mikasa, at least, is fuckin' terrible. Not bad enough that as a typical pre-dread it only has four main guns. They had to give it an average dispersion wide enough that you could fit fifty Yamatos in it.

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>>54573212

>>54618538
I was going to say 'StrayaPosting, but then I saw the filename.
Good job, anon, you got me, my sides hit the moon.

>>54620344

I wish they'd actually finished at least one of the Normandie class.

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>>54619435
>Gorgeous Georgios
Muh fellow Tribal-class.

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>>54620447
*cough*

I would have liked to have seen a finished one too. There's a sculpt someone did on shapeways that might have to go in my fantasy/planned collection.

>>54625072
It really is a pleasingly designed ship.

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Needs more DDs

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>>54629654

>>54630056

I liked the flush deck version better.

>>54629602
Nice one, anon. I've got a couple pics of massed RM DDs at port, but not one like this. Many thanks!

>>54631574
What ship is this? Google Image Search seems to think it's a movie poster.

>>54631647
Giulio Cesare, of the Conte Di Cavour-class.

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>>54629602

>>54632949
Aha. Nice.

>>54632949
Pre-refit though, it looks. She's missing the extra superstructure and still has casemates.

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>>54632959
dude, censor your gorn

>>54638865

>tfw RtW won't go back in time & let me build my ironclad waifu ...

>>54632959
You know, every time I see that pic, I can't help but feel that Yakety Sax was playing prior.

Why were french some predreadnoughts shaped with a hull that got narrower toward the quarterdeck instead of wider or slab sided like most navies?

>>54632959
Your majesty, I accidentally a squadron.

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>>54629602
>>54629617
>>54629636
>>54629654
>>54632959
>>54629710
>>54630056

>Needs more DDs
I didn't realize the truth of this statement until it was demonstrated.

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>>54644446

>>54644313
Tumblehome? From what I remember that practice originally originated back in wooden ship (and iron sodomy) days and it was supposed to lower the ship's center of gravity, work as pseudo-sloped armor against horizontal gunfire, make it easier to maneuver ships in tight canals, offer higher freeboard with less tonnage, etc.

Of course the problem with tumblehome designs was that they had problems to cope with bad weather, had less reserve buoyancy than more conventional designs, were more vulnerable against underwater damage, and had a nasty tendency to capsize if the hull got flooded.

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>>54644446

>>54644326
More like Mr. President; that was a USN squadron that got rekt.

>>54644313
Because ships with hips are damn sexy. Other anon already covered the *practical* reasons for tumblehome.

>>54644673
why is it called tumblehome?

>>54644459
How topheavy are the aegis class?

>>54648827
aegis is the radar defense system

arleigh burke is the class

>>54648808
Because the topheaviness makes them tumble.

'Sup /nwg/ one of Bloodwake anons here looking for a new player to come play imaginary boats with us.

Bloodwake is a play by post forum naval wargame. The rule system is pretty light, but works pretty damn good. We have a couple of dreads, a pre-dread and mixed lot of cruisers and DDs in our fleet.

If you would like to know more, quote my post and I, or one of the other guys will answer it as best we can.

>>54607527
What the hell is that?

>>54651928
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus-class_battleship_(1882)

>>54607527
>>54651928
>>54652459

>tfw you realize most of the RtW's (early) Ship Design tech tree is bullshit:
Three centreline turrets, Wing main turrets & Cross-deck fire were 'discovered' long before 1900's - they just needed a ship with enough displacement to stuff it all in.

>>54649040
are they topheavy bitches?

>>54652645
Perhaps rediscovered is the more appropriate term. In technology, some things go in-and-out of style, such as server-client vs. PC and neural networks.

>>54650364
By the way, you can find the forum here: http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/forum/1703985/ if you want to take a look at the rules, archived missions etc.

>>54652682
probably not as much as they would be with older construction methods and materials.

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>>54654351
Neat

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Is there any game which is specifically about small craft actions? Or at least one which handles them well?
Stuff like MGBs against E-Boats in the North Sea and such, but any flavour, historical or fictional, will do.

>>54658611
There are quite a few. I use action stations 4th ed.

>>54658611
Think Too Fat Lardies may have had one in one of their Christmas specials.

>>54650364
You still looking for a guy?

>>54661094

Yes we are.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/forum/1703985/

Sign up and have a looksie.

>>54658466
>>54661094
By the way if you're interested and make an account on the forum, PM either Capt Josiah Bartlett or me, Archibald Rayner, or another member of Battlefleet Rex and we'll help you get set up.

>>54668563
I dunno why but ships from this era are just delightful.

>>54652682
Apparently, the Ticonderogas are.

>>54672501
That is some low freeboard. Coastal defense ship?

>>54672501
Either that or it's a prototype submarine.

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>>54673726

Whoops, meant to link >>54673632

>>54673632
Breastwork monitor

>>54669892
P&M still going strong?

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>>54675937
It's doing alright, one air campaign, one sea campaign.

A lot of the GMs went from being in college to having real jobs, with predictable results.

>>54675937
Sadly it kind of seems like Bloodwake's the only really active game on the forum at the moment, at least that I've spotted looking around.

>>54676263
Guess it's a good thing I left when I did then. I hated watching the slow trickle away of players. Couldn't keep groups going and I spent way too much time chasing down my fellow pilots.

Good times were had though.

>>54670871
Probably something to do with how derp quite few designs were back then.

>>54678214
>fjord hikikomori's main battery in use

Ain't that a rare sight.

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>>54679275
Here's one for Musashi.

>>54676329
I think the dead squadrons contributed more to the GMs leaving. A GMs excitement comes from telling the story, always having to chase down players gets old.

There is a new active firestorm campaign going, baltics I think, so if you want air to air stuff, it has it in spades.

The Bloodwake missions are pretty cool, I enjoy watching players panic when they get too close to a DD and it fires a spread of Torps. Or taking a full broadside from a big BB. Good fun.

>>54680412
Shiny

>>54680709
I wont be going back to the AtA games again. I reintegrated myself once before and wont be doing it for a second time. Ive played several other games on the forum but never Bloodwake. There were never slots open when I felt the desire to play.

>>54680709
Isn't it always like that; someone call quits and then the situation escalates until nobody's left.

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>>54689727
Tbh she looked better without cupolas.

>>54690091
>is okay boris, the enemy will be frightened by our mighty guns and will shoot too poorly for us to need worry about lack of armored turret

>>54689005
Renown a sexy

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So Sunday is apparently International Naval Wargames day, being Fred T. Jane's birthday.

So get out and push some botes around the table, and bring us back some pics/reports!

>>54680709

In the last turn of our first patrol I had my Conneticut class pre-dread in spitting distance of the Russian flag ship. Popped my captain skills to increase my rate of fire and critical rolls. One of my shots hit the magazine and ensuing explosion set me on fire.

>>54692887
>our current battleship design is pretty decent
>for our next class should we
>a) improve on it
>b) go back to our old design principles
>or c) go back to our old design principles and build all 5 ships to different designs?

>>54696780
She was a pretty boat before refit, too.

Damn dirty reds and their filthy hands soiling her

>>54697949
Now now, nothing improves pasta like bit of borscht.

>>54696780
midships turrets like that always make me wonder if there was ever a case of crew turning suicidally saboteur and blasting their own ship's superstructure.

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Is there any vidya that focuses on naval warfare in the late 19th century, or even 20th century before the advent of dreadnoughts? Or is it just too obscure a time period?

>>54699529
Steam & Iron: Russo-Japanese War comes to mind.

>>54699529
It's not the focus, but Shogun 2 Total War's Fall of the Samurai DLC features late 19th century naval actions.

>>54701907
Italy made some pretty botes

>>54702920
I think it's a Mediterranean thing. RM botes are sexy as hell, but MN botes had a high ratio of sexy to ugly.

>>54692887
>ordered in response to the Royal Sovereign class
lmao

>>54704001
I just keep peering at it expecting to see smoothbore cannons sticking out those portholes.

>>54699333
If you've numbers to take a turret and willingness to die for your cause you probably would be better off trying to blow up a magazine than trying to blast CT apart.

>>54707974
It has indeed occurred to me how much havoc one clever and very brave man with a No. 10 Delay Switch could cause in a powder room.

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Is War in the Pacific - Admiral's Edition any good?
Where can I get it for free?

>>54708136
i miss the old flattops

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>>54692887
so that's where they drew inspiration for this stuff

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Superior warship coming through

>>54705942
>We put a gun on your gun so you can gun while you gun
>we put a gun on that, too

>>54709642
Modern tumblehome looks lot less sexy than original tumblehome.

>>54709642
>tumblehome
>designed for muh naval gunfire

Now it needs to belch smoke like a Russian aircraft carrier in a tobacco factory and it will be the memeship to end all memeships.

>>54709642
What is that thing designed for, it must be a beast because it's ugly as fuck.

>>54659864
>>54660763
Thanks guys, I'll check them out.

>>54709655
I like how the Austro-Hungarian navy put little tents on top of some main battery turrets for the tertiary battery crews.

>>54692887
I love it

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>>54710144
Pls don't bully Zumwalt-chan

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>>54711470

>>54710144
It's the next-generation USN "destroyer" (more like a cruiser, really. They only called it a destroyer because they figured the congress would be more likely to approve the construction of seven new destroyers because it sounds cheaper. Unfortunately for them somebody actually red the proposition before approving it and saw how much they cost, so now we're getting only two I think). The deisgniers said they pretty much threw everything about traditional shipbuilding out of the window and started designing from scratch to get a ship with the properties they wanted, which is why it ended up lookign so weird. Although really it's just a modern take on the classic tumblehome hull.
It's insivible to radar, armed with lasers and railguns, costs more than the defence budged of most nations, and likely to capsise in bad weather.

>>54711944
Well, supposed to be armed with lasers and railguns.

USN is still working on those, assuming budgets stay available.

Wasn't production of special ammo for them cancelled because the cancellation of the extra ships in the class made the unit price too high?

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Reminder to go push botes around the table tomorrow.

>>54712089
Yes, when they were going to be manufacturing sufficient ammo for the whole planned class, it was doable, but when they only had two ships to feed, the economy of scale became prohibitive.

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>>54716504
Nice. It kind or reminds of me of the coconut fiber matting that the Dutch used on the Admiralen class DD's in the Pacific. The ships had been based off am RN design, without an eye toward comfort in the tropics. All the decking was painted metal, and extremely hot to be on, so the crews added coconut fibre mats in all of the non-working spaces on deck to keep it a little more bearable. It was a neat little anecdote I learned while engaging in mild decking autism.

http://www.steelnavy.com/HPKortenaerMM.htm

>>54673751

The exhaust pipes are an interesting idea. Why was this never done?

>>54721296
Looks like a tremendous way to kill off most of your crew with CO poisoning. Seems like you'd also need draft fans inline somewhere to keep your boilers from suffocating.

>>54721296
If you have the exhausts running to vents right above the water line, you run the risk of the boilers getting flooded in heavy seas, disabling the ship.

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>>54673751
>eighteen guns

>>54723464
Man, U-boat duty was a fuckin' death sentence.

>>54726588
Aproximately 40 000 men served on the U-boats during WW2. Of those, 30 000 never returned.

>>54726682
How bad were the casualty rates for other sub services in WW2?

>>54723464
Whoa, that's a terrible rate of survival, but it's to be expected from a submarine.

>>54727539
It's mostly due to development of anti-submarine radar and Allied air superiority in the late war. Early in the war, including at the height of the battle for the Atlantic, of every five submarines that left for a mission, one would not return. Late war, the odds were closer to one in five that you'd make it back alive.
It's a wonder that the submarine corps' morale never broke. Knowing that every time you left for a mission the odds were you weren't coming back, and even if you did you probably couldn't accomplish all that much due to spending most of the time just trying to survive, couldn't have been easy.

>>54728406
That's depressing.
How was the live expectancy of a S-boat crew?

>>54728772
Likely about the same due to the S-boats terrible reliability.

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does anyone have good illustrations of mid 1800s French and Italian Ironclad designs?

I fell in love with french shipbuilding when first seeing the L'Ocean class in Shogun 2. And both french and Italian Ironclads were really beautiful.

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>>54731465
How mid 1800s are you talking? I have a handful of pictures of French cruisers from the 1880s-1890s, but that's not exactly mid century.

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>>54732016
late 1800s cruisers are fine too, but I was more accurately asking for early Ironclad designs that turned out to be pretty close to ideal, like the L'Ocean for example. And the Italian Ironclads and Cruisers that participated in the 3rd war of independence(and Lissa)

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>>54732191
I'll see what I've got. Most of my ironclad pictures are of British ones, though.

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>>54732373
>those curves
dayum brah

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>>54732373

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>>54732469

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>>54732494
I've got a few Italian ironclads from the same era as the three French cruisers above.

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>>54732511
Or apparently not, this is all I've got.

Sexy ironclad dump? Jackpot.

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>>54733078
Truly an underrated era.

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I did my part for International Naval Wargaming Day. I'll be posting a batrep for a 200 point Battle of Norway game for Naval War tomorrow, but here's a teaser image.

I had been hoping to run through the Coronel scenario for Fear Naught as well, but I'm tired, and have other shit to do today.

>>54732434
>two deck ironclad

Pretty surprised that there weren't more of those built.

>>54588236

What tabletop game is this? It looks really good,

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>>54731465

>Sons of Austria! My brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of topmen fails, when we forsake the winds and break with all traditions of seamanship. But it is not this day. An era of ironclads and shattered timbers when the age of Sail comes crashing down! But is is not this day! This day we fight!

>>54740051
Axis and Allies: War at Sea. It was a CMG that Wizards did for a few years, it's a very lite naval game, bordering on boardgame rather than a true naval. It's the reason why some folks have 1/1800 minis instead of the more traditional 1/2400 or 1/3000 scale now.

>>54727539

It has less to do with being on a submarine and more to do with being on the losing side of a war. When you're on the losing side, you're going to take heavy casualties no matter where you're stationed, but especially if you're on a navy vessel. Infantry have the opportunity to surrender if they're cornered. Men on ships rarely have that opportunity.

>>54741598
Also if a ship gets sunk you usually have at least a theoretical chance of getting in a life raft or being picked up from the sea before you die. With submarines, they were usually destroyed in a manner that made escaping impossible.

>>54673751
>both 5.25-inch and 4.7-inch dp-guns in one ship

Looks like someone was having little bit of mind expanders while designing this.

>>54741672
Gotta admit the design would look great in a dieselpunk setting, though.

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>>54739641
bigger cannons>more cannons
with developments of weaponry and ammo, fewer, bigger cannons could do more damage than smaller, more numerous ones.

also, Tumblehome is the most aesthetic type of ship. Really wish the frenchies figured out the first "Dreadnought" type design instead of the anglos.

>>54743628
As much as I agree in terms of look, I have to admit that something just occurred to me. For ships in the general zeitgeist of the first half of the 20th century, wouldn't a tumblehome hull be a bit of a disadvantage because you're turning the hull armor more squarely on to the falling angle of incoming shells? At least, at some ranges?

>>54743739
it's not the belt armour so it doesn't really matter. But with that logic, wouldn't a shell be more likely to hit the hull than the deck this way? It certainly affords more protection against small arms and minor deck guns

>>54743766
Mm, I suppose it might trade off that way. Make hits less likely to strike the deck in exchange for somewhat more risk to the belt. Now I feel it's a pity tumblehome wasn't much of a thing in that era to test this all out.

>tfw rtw doesn't have an option for tumblehome

>>54744902
Maybe they'll include it as an option in RTW2 or something. Probably not but one can always hope.

>>54721946
Not even the weirdest thing to come out of Popular Mechanics.

>>54748645
Okay, that is probably the most impractical Popular Mechanics idea that I've seen in a while.

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>>54749234
It's glorious. I especially love the part about it needing a barracks ship to accompany it to give the sailors berthing space when they aren't fighting.

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>>54733763
Written up and posted now.
>https://www.naval-war.com/navalforum/battlereports/81-battle-of-norway-cruiser-action

Haven't decided if how I feel about the game from what I've seen so far, other than it kind of reminds me of PotSM a bit, except that it's sort of fantasy (post apocalyptic neo-Age of Sail). Just throwing it out there, since we had someone asking about fantasy navals a while ago, and it's nice to see something at least.

I could have done without the shitty sound effects though.

>>54750098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjPY8zPSVzM
Link, goddammit.

>>54750191
Hm. Might pass this along to some friends.

>>54749922
Noise

>>54748645
It's like something out of Wing Commander, but as a blue-water ship.

>>54753934
Needs about two dozen broadside underwater tubes, I think.

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>>54754481

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Pre-Dreadnoughts underway. I hope I don't have an Australian pic, newfag and all.

>>54755617
No bottomworlder syndrome. Also some very nice looking boats. Make/scale?

I've seen transparent bases done before, but I'll say those are the first I've actually liked.

The are WTJ 1/1500 scale models, all plastic 3D printed. The are part of an Imagi-Nations Great War of 1904 I'm working on as a midlife crisis game. There will be about 260 ships (counting DD's and TB's) in the full project.

The bases are 1.5mm acrylic and etched with the ship names (finished with a China marker and cleaned up).

The wake on the base is made from Vallejo Snow/Foam. Essentially it is a super thickened brilliant white putty/paint, easy to work with and even better in person.

>>54742611
That is true for quite few designs that Popular Mechanics proposed.

>>54756566
Sure is. Absolute treasure trove.

>>54755888
I had been wondering if they were WTJ. I'd really like to get an HMS Tiger to do the fantasy conversion in the Dutch supplement for GQ3. I also wish they'd put out an Insect class. I've become kind of find of the little things.

>>54755888
Test

>>54758147
I also wish they had a few more of the smaller cruisers and larger gunboats, especially for the Sino-French and Sino-Japanese conflicts.

I started with 1/3000 Navwar ships, finished a ton of them, but the scale just didn't do it visually for me. The WTJ 1/1500 scale seems just perfect for the type of games I'm planning. I really recommend them, though the larger scales can really run up the cost quickly.

Do someone have the custom nation designer for
RTW?
>>54732511
>>54732527
How did the caio dulio compare to other battleship?

>>54761083
http://nws-online.proboards.com/thread/515/custom-nations-editor

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