So apparently Guilliman is currently writing up a new Codex targeting

>>54560562

By giving it to the masses, to make the nobles accountable for their actions.

>>54560562
Who's going to argue?

Custodes?

>>54560562
Eversors.

>>54560562
>How the fuck is he going to enforce this?
>How is the favored son of a man whose seen as the literal father and god of mankind going to enforce a new ruling?
Really churns my butter.

>>54560562
A combination of religious indoctrination on the nobles themselves, direct control over a military that can severally punish disobedience, and the belief that the common man of the imperium will consider their loyalty to the son of their god rather than the local lord.

Bloodily

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>>54560626

You seem to be wholesale unaware on just how ballsy and stupid imperial nobles are

>>54560562
With his vocal, written, and military authority. Also Space Marines.

I thought
>>54560624
Was an answer to
>>54560580

>>54560663
This says nothing about how they'd react or deal with a fucking Primarch. Not even the dumbest or egotistical noble or rouge trader is going to stand in Guilliman's way.

>>54560735
Actually in Dark Imperium, Planetary Governors are apparently stonewalling Guilliman's efforts to reconstitute Greater Ultramar

>>54560562

What is source of this?

>>54560756
Dark Imperium, Guilliman says he's writing "The Codex Imperialis" which will be a guide to "Good governance that our species has been without for too long."

>>54560752
>Gulliman goes on a galactic road trip to personally slap every single Imperial Nobleman upside the head for being retarded in a time of crisis like this

>>54560767

Bye Bye grim dark.

The entire Ecclesiarchal presence on these planets will consider it the Emperor's divine will delivered through his son.

Imperial nobles can't argue, and if they do, they won't be in power for long.

>>54560804
Good. It's been at retarded levels for too long.

>>54560819

For someone who is anti-religion, Guilliman sure likes using the imperial creed to his own ends.

>>54560767
The primarch sighed. ‘I will be honest with you, so listen. You are privy to matters I do not readily share. I see that in the period following the Great Heresy War I was too focused upon the reformation of the Legions, trusting to the council my father created to govern wisely. My optimism was misguided. This terrible future I find myself in is my fault as much as anyone else’s. Now I have concluded my revisions of the Codex Astartes, I have begun work upon a new book. This book I shall call the Codex Imperialis. In it I shall set down the principles of good governance long denied our species. Compiling an accurate history is only the start of the process.’
‘You do this while conducting this war?’ said Mathieu in disbelief.
‘I have few of the powers your priesthood ascribes to me, Mathieu, but I do have other abilities

>>54560851
Didn't he start to believe just a bit after he used the Emperor's Sword to demolish some Nurgle Daemon in Dark Imperium? The Daemon basically shrugged off all conventional weapons and was only pained by Big E's Pimp Stick.

>>54560851
Theoretical, he thought. The Emperor is a god and denied His own divinity to protect humanity. Practical, He is a god.
Or, he continued to himself, Theoretical, the Emperor was not a god, but became one. Practical, He is a god.
He dismissed the idea angrily. These theoreticals had trooped through his thoughts so many times before he had grown weary of them, but his mind would not stop generating counter-arguments to his beliefs.
Theoretical, the Emperor was always a god, but was unaware of it. Practical, He is a god.
No, he thought.
Theoretical, the Emperor became a god to protect humanity. Practical, He is a god.
He is not a god, he thought.
Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. Practical, the Emperor is not a god.

...

Guilliman put up and sheathed the sword. The fires went out, plunging the cathedral back into darkness, but a certain sanctity remained. By the Emperor’s own blade, Guilliman had driven back the baleful influence of Chaos. He could not deny the effect. He could not have defeated an enemy like that without the weapon.
Godlike, he thought.

>>54560896
Is Dark Imperium set in 30k? If not he should damn well believe after the Heresy

>>54560944
It opens set in 30k with the Bobby G and Fagrim duel. Then it time skips to the revival of Gulliman.

>>54560771
>tfw HH literally made you go from hating to loving Papa Smurf
All we need is Thiel to make this perfect.

>>54560944
The first 3 chapters are about his battle with Fulgrim, which basically ended in "FUKKEN CORPSE SERVANT, GET OUT MY THRONE ROOM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" and a fit of austistic rage from Fulgrim.

The rest takes place 112~ years after 999.M41, but that's a pointless number since GW told us timelines no longer matter.

>>54560896

Even if he finds some merit in the Emperor being a god or at least possessing god like power, I doubt he'll ever start worshipping.

It's clear he finds Big E pretty distasteful and deceitful despite his overall goal being good.

Does Girlyman completely fail to realize how the Imperium operates? A vast number of imperial worlds are almost totally independent. Under the current system, so long as you pay the tithe and follow some exceedingly basic rules, the greater Imperium doesn't give a shit about what you do. This works because micromanaging all those worlds and trying to establish any sort of conformity and consistency is fucking impossible. The Imperium just doesn't have the resources to spare on such needless bullshit.

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>>54560562
>How the fuck is he going to enforce this?

Even bigger space marines.

>>54561005
He literally wrote the book you dumb profligate

>>54560562
>How the fuck is he going to enforce this?

1. Primarch
2. See all those space marines that are more loyal to him than they are to them?
3. See all those totally-not militarized ecclesiastic that view him as the right hand of the God Emperor?

>>54561005

>thinking you know more than the greatest statesman in history

lmao

>>54561079
>Forgets Arbites exist
>Greatest statesman in history

>>54561071
Guilliman could put just one marine on each planet and he'd still only cover a fraction of the Imperium.

>>54561132
He doesn't need to leave garrisons behind. He just needs to have the looming hammer ready to fall. The response to nobles getting out of hand may not be immediate, bit it will be a certainty. It won't be perfect, but most of the worthless fucks will be kept in line by fear of inevitable retribution if they overstep.

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>you werent there, he growled. Only The Emperor and Bjorn remember, as the other were all gone or lost to madness. Thats what they all forget... I was the last. After all my brothers faded away I alone remained to defend the Hearth. I saw the damage Robute did with his last book. How it crippled our Legions and whole chapters fell to the dark with loyal brothers by their side. I will not have it. I will not! No more NEEEERRRRDDDDSSS!!!!!!!

>>54561262
> t. Wolf fucker
Honestly a negative endorsement from Russ on just about any subject is a confirmation that it's a good idea 99% of the time.

>>54561175
The looming hammer could take centuries. The nobles already have things like Arbites and Inquisitors hanging overhead, and they still get into all kinds of shit. The Big Blue Book of Proper Governance shouldn't change shit.

>>54561336
>t. wolf fucker
HAHA DO I FIT IN YET TEEGEE? I JUST CAME FROM REDDIT AND 1D4CHAN AM I COOL WITH MY DANK MAYMAYS?

>>54560854
If this is actual fluff and not just writefags being awesome again, im actually kinda interested in guilliman's roadtrip.

>>54561444
Guy Haley is easily one of the best BL writers working right now, probably one of the best ever.

>>54561346

I'm sure they'll explain to you just how easily he does it when the next fluff bits come out.

>>54561409
t. Assblasted Wolf Fucker

>>54561464
1. God Emperor tier: Dan Abnett

Powergap
90000. Chaos Spawn tier: Everyone else

>>54561482
IF I SHITPOST MOAR I WILL FIT IN MOAR HUEHUEHUEHUE

>>54560580
Governors were arguing with him about desolving their sovereingty and reabsorbing them into the hundred worlds. They'll fight hard against anything thatwants to take what is theirs. Whether that guilliman or a chaos warband.

>>54561501
Nah, Guy Haley's really good. You'll hear no argument from me that Dan Abnett's also one of the best ever though. His worst is equivalent to 90% of BL author's best. And any time one of them says "that's just the Abnettverse" or something of that nature, I just assume they're jealous.

>>54560896
Yeah he's kind of trying to fool himself Into thinking E money isn't a god. Every hypothesis basically comes back to him being one.

>>54561501
*wet leopard growling intensifies*
Dan Abnett's Perpetual bullshit is inexcusable. Chris Wraight and Guy Haley are far better.

>>54561501
ADB should be higher

>>54561525
No reason to be so flustered by a 4chins shitposter newfriend, just stop giving him (you)s.

>>54561534
What did Hailey write? I have read about 90% of the HH and various others but nothing comes to mind? Not being a dick as I dont really pay attention to BL authors when I pick a book although McNeil stands out as well as Abnett for some reason.

>>54561525
t. Super Assblasted Wolf Fucker

>>54561577
Baneblade, Dark Imperium, Shadowsword, Death of Integrity, Valedor, a few of The Beast Arises.
He hasn't touched the HH series, but where it's at now, I don't blame him.

>>54561525
Somebody's mad

>>54561529

He is consolidating his power, a lot of the new Ultramarine
-successor chapters are based in Ultramar.

If it comes to war the dissenting governors will crumble quickly. Especially considering rebelling against Guilliman will be considered heresy by the Church, they'll likely incite rebellion.

If Bobby G has to go full Great Crusade on the five hundred worlds, he will.

>>54561544
>Eisenhorn
>Ravenor
>Prospero Burns
>Know No Fear

Abnett is king anon.

>>54561525
You're going to get rabies or something if you keep fucking those wolves, man

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>>54560562
Blood Axes as enforcers for hire?

>>54561409
I hated the yifffaggots before the memeage of the internet. Yellow and baby blue? Gay AF

>>54561645
>>54561611
>>54561587
>>54561482
Samefag

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>>54561736
t. Half-Correct Assblasted Wolf Fucker

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Make Ultramar Great Again

>>54561776
>screenshotting
I'm not the dogfucker but you just outed yourself as a newfag. Those things can be edited with inspect element in like 12 seconds you big dumbie.

>>54561632
Prospero Burns was a huge disappointment. I'm not even saying this as Thousand Sons/Magnus/Ahrimanfag, I'm saying this because I expected to see two sides of the actual conflict. Not a fucking book that spends more time being a backdoor story to the Space Wolves origins and Russ origins.

>>54561898
>the >wolf fucker newfag exposes himself as a newfag!

Stay tuned for the damage control on Maccraggian News Network!

>>54561908
The title was very bait and switch, I agree.

>>54561908
>the book wasnt about what i wanted it to be
>3/10
You have autism

>>54561937
It's called "Prospero Burns" anon.

>>54561898
t. wolffucker

>>54561890
That armor makes me moist

>>54561898
t. Flustered Wolf Fucker Looking To Save Face

>>54561948
You already saw Magnus and Prospero get blown the fuck out in A Thousand Sons... what you want 11 versions of Istvaan V from horus, fulgrim, angron, mortarion, alpharius, perty, lorgar, cruze, Ferrus, Corax and Vulkan?

>>54561961
>>54561971
I'm not that guy and I don't think the screenshot was edited. I was just pointing out that only a retarded newfag would try to use it as evidence.

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>>54561961
>>54561971

>>54561937
I think you have autism. I wanted the Wolf's viewpoint of the battle but not their background story regurgitated most of the novel.

>>54562003
Then call it Kaspar Hauser's Wacky Wolf Adventures. The original poster you responded to didn't actually say anything about the quality of the book. You must admit that the title is horrendously misleading.

>>54560981
There was never any practical reason to dislike him besides the fact that he ended up being in charge and made some moves the other primarches didn't like (because it denied them power).
Most of what people know are memes and conspiracy theories.

>>54562096
>what is Imperium Seccondus

In fact it was in Chaos' best interest that he survived because he siphoned assets away from Terra and Dorn.

>>54562137
>what is Imperium Seccondus
A massive meme. Terra was unreachable and he suspected it was destroyed. He set up the successor to the Imperium and dropped it the second he found out the Emperor was still alive. The next book Ruin Storm is about Sanguinius, Rob, and Lion trying desperately to get to Terra.

>>54561478
You're absolutely right, but I'm still sure it'll be bullshit. One of the Imperium's greatest strengths and most glaring of weaknesses is how compartmentalized everything is. New information does not spread quickly, especially not to the boonies on the ass end of nowhere. Passing out copies of this book to every Arbite station will be a Herculean task in and of itself.

>>54561071
>right hand of the Emperor
The Ecclesiarchy basically sees Guilliman as some kind of space Jesus, even more than the original Space Jesus that was the Emperor. They call him "Son of God", everyone behave as he is a messiah,

>>54562162
And yet the Chaos "gods" forbade Lorgar to face Gulliman by himself because he would have killed him and the new loyal commander would have actually tried and succeeded in reaching Terra making all the difference.

>>54561890
Damn thats some great art

>>54562214
>believing what Chaos says

>>54562137
>what is one of those memes I referenced
The only argument that can be made relies on omniscient knowledge of the setting, not IC knowledge.
>>54562214
>continues the memery
Yes, and how much of the entire BA fleet was lost in transit? The Lion got there when, exactly?

>>54561898
What a stupid yifffag. Go fuck a dog, ugly.

>>54562214
>and the new loyal commander would have actually tried and succeeded in reaching Terra making all the difference
Bullshit. That's all headcanon. Kairos never says specifically why. Also both heads talked so half was lies anyway.

>>54562214
Sounds like Lorgar was only pretending to be incompetent... again. The Calth mission was intended to destroy the Ultramarines, and failed badly.
"Of-- of course I didn't destroy the Ultramarines. It was-- according to uh... plan. So that they won't interfere."

>>54562255
Why would Chaos lie to its greatest Champion?

>>54561890
We need a petition to have all 40k art be on this same level of patrician teir.

Goddamn I'm erect.

>>54562391
>Kairos
Why don't you actually know what you are talking about?

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>>54562434
Kairos was allowed to speak the truth for only that moment by thw will of all 4 chaos "gods" dipshits>>54562349
>>54562305
>>54562262
>>54562255

>>54562470
So says Kairos.

>>54562470
According to whom?
Thus Spake the Liar.

>>54562521
>>54562542
I fucking hate chaos, but did you guys read the book? Kairos clearly starts making sense during its talk with Lorgar

>>54560854
>tfw a bunch of Astartes don't like him revising the codex
Not to mention the =][= trying to block him.

>>54562349
To be fair it was the fault of the dude in charge of the Furious Abyss and Kor going full edgelord that shat up the entire Calth plan.

>I-I can totally one up Erebus
>Join me, Guilliman, and together we can rule the galaxy and shit

>>54562574
A liar can't make sense, especially one who is cursed by it's existence such that it's creator, that it is an inherent part of, can do nothing about it?
The argument hinges on taking a known liar's word as objective truth. Think about why people are unwilling to accept that.

>>54562470
I bet you legitimately believe the shit Chaos say about Lorgar being > Horus too.

>>54561079
Malcador wants a word with you

>>54562691
Well considering Kairos spoke the truth for the first and only time ever... yeah

>>54562766
You are one dumb brainlet.

>>54562766
>considering Kairos spoke the truth for the first and only time ever
That's impossible to know.

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>>54560562
>Hey severely right wing christian congressman, so Jesus, son of god, literally has shown up with all the archangels and given us a new Bible to follow on pain of death. >What should we do?
>'Nah, I ain't gonna listen, fuck that guy'?

>>54562726

Lorgar basically did the Horust Hearsay, so there's something to that.

>>54562805
Plus hes not blasted to ash

>>54562805
The only thing Lorgar did was force-feed his most favored sons into the Eye of Terror and follow instructions to secretly bolster his legion so it was a size to rival/eclipse even the Ultramarines by abducting more kids on human worlds while his brothers went around purging alien ones.

And if you want to be technical, Kor Phareon and Erebus were following Chaos long before he did.

>>54561890

The blatant roman helmet is a little too much, makes it look like he's wearing a helmet on a helmet.

>>54562818
Horus didn't even get blasted to ash. Hell that fucking WF story is probably going to be retconned anyway once the HH hits the final book. Even then it was the Emperor getting lucky with a full strength psychic attack on Horus while he was distracted.

And if that happened to the strongest of the Primarchs being bolstered directly by all four Gods, what do you think would happen to bitch boy Lorgar?

>>54562591
Given the Codex is constantly being revised for strategy, I imagine he was just updating it for Primaris Marines.

>>54562831
>pssst. Hey Lorgar...
>you got to speed up your conquests and take only pure gene stock aspirants if you want a large legion

Was this really a secret to Lorgar?

>>54562869
>Dad doesn't look people worshiping him
>Seems to piss him off
>I KNOW
>I'll write a bible about Dad
>Then he'll be happy with me
>OH WHAT THE FUCK HE BLEW UP MY NEW VATICAN
Lorgar was never a smart boy.

>>54562907
>IMMA MAKE PEOPLE WORSHIP DAD
>You shouldn't do this, Lorgar
>FUCK OFF ROBOUTE THIS IS A GREAT IDEA
>Uh, Lorgar, this is probably a bad idea, you should try to conquer instead
>SHUT UP HORUS YOU'RE NOT BOSS OF ME, IMMA MAKE A BIG CHURCH TOO
>Hey Lorgar, I don't think you should do this
>SHUT UP MAGNUS YOU'RE A SHIT FRIEND, IMMA MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER JUST SO YOU CAN FIT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR WITHOUT BENDING OVER
>What the fuck is this?!
>I MADE YOU A BIG CHURCH DAD AREN'T YOU PROUD

>>54562798
>Crucify!

>>54562798
Look man, space is big and there's countless other nobles also refusing to play ball. Sure, he'll eventually make it to my planet to kick my shit in but by then I've been living it up for god knows how long

>>54560981
People only hated him because Ward made the UM Mary Sues and he was their Primarch.

After HH he's the only Primarch I don't hate.

>>54561890
Helmet is pretty meh, but the rest of the armor is great. GW should hire him for concept art.

>>54562834
>makes it look like he's wearing a helmet on a helmet
YO DAWG

>>54564185
HOL UP

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>>54564063
>Ward made the UM Mary Sues
I love this meme. You can always use it to tell if someone came into the game in 4e or 5e or know everything they know about 40k thanks to 1d4chan.

>>54564063
Sanguinius? Vulkan? The Lion? Ferrus Manus?

>>54560562
By having a legion of fucking space marines

He has the Ultramarines, all of the Ultra successors, and all of the Primaris Greyshields

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>>54564305
Also, reminder that the Black Templars are at legion strength again:

>dozens of fleets
>thousands of Astartes per fleet

Even at the lowest possible numbers, that's still got to be well over ten thousand.

>>54564063
>he's the only Primarch I don't hate.

Him and Perty are both rocking top tier autism. No wonder they've become popular around here.

>>54564349
On the one hand, Guilliman is probably the holiest thing most of the BT's have ever seen in their lives. On the other, he's basically shitting out heresy with the primaris and all of Cawls shenanigans. Not sure where they'd fall, but they'd probably love to bitchslap arrogant imperial nobles

With these attempted reforms it's blatant that GW is making him even more into the Space Caesar than he already was.

>>54564381
If autism was the requirement for popularity on 4chan, the Lion would be the most loved of all of them. Instead it's a small army of furries.

>>54564349
>two dozen fleets
>two thousand per fleet
48k?

>>54564388
Black Templars were founded by Sigismund. I'm pretty sure they'd honor the Super Smurf as much as they do Dorn himself.

>>54564397
Yeah, but remember what happened to Caesar

>>54564417
Lion's behavior suggests he's on the spectrum

>>54564381
Describe the ways that Guilliman is autistic that aren't also shared by several other prominent characters in the setting.

Protip: you can't, because you've failed to realize most characters/writers in 40K are autistic, or you're just hating on Guilliman for no good reason.

>>54564448
Which Caesar? Julius, Octavian/Augustus, Tiberius? One of the others?

Emperor feels more like Julius Caesar in conquest terms, with Brutus as Horus. Dorn as Antony, Guilliman perhaps as Octavian based on what was going on back and forth in the aftermath of the Heresy.

Russ was probably Lepidus.

>>54564417
>>54564448
>Lion El'John and Perutabo
Both are huge prissy assholes who threw a fit over not getting what they want and both are the type of men who'd spaz out like aspies holding onto petty jealousies.

>>54564439
Well at their height the VIIth Legion was estimated to be around 100k. And the Thousand Sons were one of the smallest at around 10k I think before the Razing of Prospero.

>>54564492
Well it's obvious with his reforms he was Marius first. Now, I'm guessing he's Caesar Augustus

>>54564492
Emperor is probably more based Persian then Roman though.
>COMPANIONS (Custodes)
>10,000 Custodes (Immortals)
>Achaemenid Empire (Unification Wars era) was spared being nuked and invaded and purest strain of humanity on the planet
>Emperor strongest psyker besides Magnus and Malcador
>Majority of psykers in Astartes are in Magnus Legion
>Terran Thousand Sons from Achaemenid Empire
???
IT FITS

>>54564492
>Dorn as Antony
>hedonist
>succumbs to pagan gods
>amazing in battle but a fucking drunk chad otherwise
Fulgrim is Marc Anthony. Which means him and his waifu Slaanesh are gonna get blown the fuck out.

>>54564528
Well, the Emperor was born in Anatolia and probably spent a reasonable chunk of his early few thousand years around there.

I'm more referring to the archetypes around the end of the Roman republic and start of the empire playing out with Emps, Horus, Dorn, and Guilliman.

>>54564557
So Emperor = Cyrus the Great?

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>>54564624
Given the huge similarities between the way the Persian Empire operated and the way the Imperium does... yeah, I can see it.

>>54564735
>>54564624
>tfw in the end the good guys won

>>54564349
Its probably not a big deal anymore.

Since the Ultramarines pretty much solo'ed chaos and the tyranids back to stalemate by breaking out their primarch and opening up their own stockpile of personal super marine legions.

That 1000 limit sure did stop the Ultramarines from spamming the entire fucking galaxy with their mary sue spawn.

>>54564968
The Primaris were made from all the loyalist legions, anon. It wasn't just the Ultras. In fact, more than a few of them might already be made from the traitor legions, Bobby G has admitted that he doesn't think Cawl will listen to his orders not to.

>>54560804

Imperium's flaws and problems are too fundamental to be solved with a single book. It'll fix something but create new problems and possibly veer Imperium towards another civil war since it's not like IoM is a perfectly unified force.

>>54561529
And they all shut the fuck up after a single glare from the man. Girly isnt gonna take backtalk, he'll send in the troops if he has to.

>>54565000
>The Primaris were made from all the loyalist legions, anon. It wasn't just the Ultras. In fact, more than a few of them might already be made from the traitor legions, Bobby G has admitted that he doesn't think Cawl will listen to his orders not to.

Regardless of their origins they were still under nominal ultramarine leadership and training.

Anyways, I can't wait for nu-GW to begin the sigmaring and retconning of all the superhuman snowflake factions and more so they can sell waaaay more OP units without that pesky fluff kicking in.

>oh theres more than 10k custodes now, and they have primarch-perpetual hybrids or whatever, come collect them all!

>>54565054
If any single man could amend or at least staunch the worst of the IoM's current flaws and issues, its Roboute.

>>54565267
>I can't wait for nu-GW to begin with sigmaring and retconning of all the superhuman snowflake factions and more so they can sell waaaay more OP units without that pesky fluff kicking in
>oh there's more than 10k custodes now and they have a primarch-perptual hybrids or whatever
Valdor says hello.

>>54565368
I would like to see Valdor return after he gets a good buff from canon.

Like maybe the Emperor's remaining scientists worked on a partial primarch treatment that could give Valdor that little bit more boost in toughness, wounds, and damage to make him pretty much primarch tier.

Or just give a Tribune some Gravis armor so he gets +1 toughness too.

>>54565419
Valdor already IS Primarch tier. He's wrestled with Russ and already as big as Alpharius. Plus we have Ra running around in the webways with Humanity's epitomized Murder incarnate in him.

>>54564492
Newly awoken Guilliman is Aurelian.

Putting shit back together after the crisis of the 3rd century.

>>54565454
>Valdor already IS Primarch tier. He's wrestled with Russ and already as big as Alpharius. Plus we have Ra running around in the webways with Humanity's epitomized Murder incarnate in him.
I meant on the actual tabletop, as I think in 30k he's considered just slightly underpowered vs the actual primarch stats.

Yeah I know that fluff too and I would like to see it reflected in like 8th or whatever forgeworld comes up with in Horus Heresy.

But I do have to admit that the Imperium is starting to get a lot more high level and monsterous characters which I think is nice.

Hopefully there's a bunch more superhumans or post humans like whatever admech cawl-like characters GW comes up with again, or more saints or supreme heroes that could have some decent stats too.

>>54565483
Oh I don't do the tabletop stuff.

>>54565527
Fair enough.

I'm mostly a fluff fag too.

Which is actually pissing me off like crazy at how GW is treating the Age of Guilliman.

I mean it all just seems rushed and less elaborated or well written, but I suppose it could always be touched up later on by Forge World or some RPGs if for some reason GW decided to reach out to fans or rpg companies.

I do absolutely miss units and vehicles that are not part of the tabletop game becoming mentioned or drawn on art. Ever since GW went full lawyer-up its cracked down on that kind of fluff seed expression.

I mean, it was really quite cool when some little sketch or random vehicle like the Mastadon or the Fellblade get mentioned in some line in a BL book and then gradually become made into a full fledged model with rules and everything. That kind of ingenuity and universe expanse was just neat.

>>54565483
Valdor is weaker than the Primarchs in 30k, but he's not so much weaker that all of them will stomp on him without exception, he can tie some of them up for a while.

>>54565616
Which is funny that his subordinates like the Tribunes can actually hold the line and maybe even win against some lower tier Primarchs.

That's why I hope FW revisits Valdor's stats again and gives him a little boost to make him actually primarch level, just to give the Custodes some HQ variety.

>>54565616
What? Russ has a huge respect for his ability to fight, and Amon wanted to have a crack at Dorn. Not too mention Valdor wasn't letting Dorn intimidate him.

He's very clearly on par with most of the Primarchs.

>>54565677
I'm talking tabletop, anon.

>>54565677
He's talking tabletop again.

Based on the stats from the Custodes minicodex.

>>54564448
I would like to see a bunch of nobles try to stab Guilliman to death.

>>54563932

There's also an Ecclesiarchy presence on every world. You don't always need an army to invade when all it takes is one dedicated pilgrim to stir everyone into overthrowing the planet and bringing it back into Imperial compliance.

>>54562798

>That ain't Jesus, all that shit outa revelations ain't happened yet. Book says that there would be fakes who came and tried to fuck with us.

>>54563932

>>54565837

Just make a call to the local Sisterhood. Specifically the Sisters Famulous. They'll straighten that shit right out. Gov'na's a Heretic? Don't worry, we got this.

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Guilliman is doing the complete opposite of what he did when he split up the legions. Before, he prevented anyone from being powerful enough to take over. Now he's "Lord Commander" of the entire fucking galaxy. Will his new codex improve living conditions or will it just consolidate even more power in his own hands?

I have a feeling that they are setting up a Guilliman Heresy. But instead of a civil war, Guilliman will control the whole galaxy. The good guys will have to fight an underground resistance, Star Wars style. When I heard he pulled an army of Primaris marines out of his ass, it screamed "Order 66" to me.

>>54566289
Naah he's just learned from his mistakes. He thinks that he fucked up with the codex.

>>54566289

This isn't the first time he's had complete control of the Imperium as Lord Commander, newfag. The only reason the Imperium survived the 8,000+ years without him is because of the foundations he himself personally laid, and he even abdicated that title after finishing his work. Now that he sees the Imperium is on the brink of collapse, he has to do the same thing he's done before. He can clearly be trusted with supreme authority.

>>54560562
It probably won't lead to anything though. Or, knowing what he did to Ultramar, it'll just be him saying 'Space Marines run everything' since we're already practically no longer in the Imperium of Man just the Imperium of Space Marines (though to be fair its been that way for a while).

>>54566522
The only reason he did that with Ultramar is because thats how it used to be. He's not dumb enough to institute that system across the rest of the Imperium.

>>54566549
So you say, but I doubt that. I mean the Imperium's fluff is already pretty much "All Space Marine, all the time!" and GW's clearly trying to make Space Marines even MOAR important then they used to be.

Who knows, maybe we'll see a Techmarine Fabricator General soon enough (cue furious Belisarius)

>>54566522
>we're already practically no longer in the Imperium of Man just the Imperium of Space Marines (though to be fair its been that way for a while)
And also to be fair, in quite a few cases the Space Marines do a better job of running their worlds/systems than regular humanity.

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>>54562834

Well he IS wearing a pauldron on his pauldron so it fits the theme

>>54566860
I can imagine why

>Problem occurs on planet
>Normal human government would have to scour records and develop a plan to deal with it
>Space Marine leaders can just remember if this has happened before and know what to do

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>>54562798

There could very well be a shit ton of Imperium equivalent McCains, but instead of acting in the interest of big corporations it's chaos/genestealer cults

>>54564349

So Templars are the most powerful Chapter now?

>>54567034
Hey, space wolves that don't look like total furfags!
That guy's art really is great. I bet he could make gay sex look magnificent.
Did he do any for dark angels?

>>54563370

>tfw Roboute was sad that he blew up Monarchia

He truly is the best boy.

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>>54567112
see
>>54566985

>>54560752
>'None of my brothers are alive to stop me from building my own empire'
>/tg/ thinks this is a good thing

Okay I'm really sorry, but I've been out of the loop for not even six months and Rowboat woke up?
> When?
> What do I read to catch up?
> Is this the Age of Sigmar for 40k?
> What the fuck is going on?

>>54567235
Magnus was the first Primarch to come back. Start with Wrath of Magnus and then read the 3 gathering storm campaign books.

>>54567235

Wrath of Magnus -> Gathering Storm I-III -> Dark Imperium Novel

>>54567235
Basic story line:

>Failbaddon launches 13th Black Crusade
>attacks Cadia
>Necron Pylons on Cadia activate
>work for two minutes, push back Eye
>Pylons overload
>Cadia goes boom
>Eye of Terror explodes out into lots of new warpstorms
>St. Celestine and Eldar escape into Webway
>turns out Ynnead was, in fact, born, just weaker
>they decide that since Armless is around, they need a Primarch
>conveniently there's a webway exit on Macragge, right where Rowboat's shrine is
>go to Macragge
>Failbaddon hears about it, sends armies to stop them on his way to Terra
>they get to Rowboat just in time
>Eldar wake him up with xenos warpcraft and sorcery
>put him into Belisarius Cawl's new armour suit
>Bobby G. Man fights off the Black Legion, Abaddon continues to be armless failure
>goes to Terra
>talks to the Emperor, daddy doesn't seem to love him all that much
>becomes Lord Commander of the Imperium and Imperial Regent
>blackbagged a bunch of incompetent High Lords
>gets 50,000+ Primaris Space Marines, Cawl's been busy this last 10k years he only expected a few, holy shit
>INDOMITUS CRUSADE
>Crusades for 100 years
>lots of victories, Black Crusade seems to be stalled or progressing very very slowly
>Indomitus Crusade ends, splits up Primaris into chapters

And that's more or less where the Dark Imperium novel begins. It details the end of the Indomitus Crusade and Mortarion's attack on Ultramar, so Guilliman is going there to have a showdown with his brother.

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>>54567329
>>Pylons overload

ARE YOU A MORON? YOU ARE A SUPREME CUNTBAG. THIS RUMOR WAS DISPROVEN MONTHS AGO.

The Pylons did not blow up Cadia. They did not overload. The pylons were working and pushing the Eye. What destroyed Cadia was Abaddon throwing the fragments of the Blackstone Fortress at Cadia which cracked the planet in half and shut down the pylon network which allowed the Eye to surge forth and spawn the Great Rift.

Anons don't read this cunts post. He is a moron that deserves eye cancer.

>>54567263
>Anonymous 07/28/17(Fri)04:15:32 No.54567
>>54567270
>>54567329
>>54567365
All of this is blowing my mind. I'm all over the wiki right now and GWs site. So now we have Primaris Space Marines? Are these like, better than Grey Knights or Custodes? I like some of the visual changes with the Mk X armor

>>54561890
>>54566985
>>54567034
>>54567123
Author?

>>54561611
> complaining about furfags on /tg/.

This board has always at least tolerated the presence of the blighted ones. They know their place when they walk these corridors, unlike the rest of their unruly kin.

So long as they measure themselves in modesty and with respect to their host then they will not be shunned.

>>54567365
Calm the fuck down you sperg. You should applaud the anon for trying and correct him respectfully you abhorrent cunt.

>>54567415
My headcanon seems to like the idea that this is a continuation of the codex astartes if Gulliman hadn't of gotten fucked by a daemon primarch.

>>54567329
>>Failbaddon hears about it, sends armies to stop them on his way to Terra
>>they get to Rowboat just in time
>>Eldar wake him up with xenos warpcraft and sorcery
>>put him into Belisarius Cawl's new armour suit
>>Bobby G. Man fights off the Black Legion, Abaddon continues to be armless failure
>>goes to Terra
>>talks to the Emperor, daddy doesn't seem to love him all that much
>>becomes Lord Commander of the Imperium and Imperial Regent
>>blackbagged a bunch of incompetent High Lords
>>gets 50,000+ Primaris Space Marines, Cawl's been busy this last 10k years he only expected a few, holy shit
>>INDOMITUS CRUSADE
>>Crusades for 100 years
>>lots of victories, Black Crusade seems to be stalled or progressing very very slowly

wat.......... Macragge is like 3 timer further from Terra than Cadia was.
Is the imperium zipping armies and fleets back and forth all willynilly in the webway now?

100 years of no progress for the 13th black crusade? arguebly the strongest ever since the warp have overflown, and stretching the imperiums forces even thinner.

(And no i dont play chaos)

>>54567550
If the imperium changed its tactics from being an immovable object anything is possible.

>>54567480
>you should applaud people for posting shit they don't know anything about

Fuck you you're the problem with this board and why so many dumb faggots run their mouths and post completely inaccurate bullshit. Not even that guy that was sperging, don't even care about the retarded Cadia story, only you enabling these dumb fuckers.

>>54560851
>For someone who is anti-religion, Guilliman sure likes using the imperial creed to his own ends.
Hello politics.

>>54561464
Guy's early stuff felt a little rocky as he was transitioning out of journalist mode but he's been pretty solid as of late, might also be due to Laurie Goulding not sinking his fangs into him yet

>>54567480
No, motherfucker, this rumour was corrected MANY MANY times already in the following week of Fall of Cadia. I respectfully corrected it each time until it got fucking annoying.

Now months later after the space dust of Cadia settled, the book is out there for free, and the wikis have the full story for all to read, here comes that fucking cunt repeating a rumour that I thought was dealt with ages ago. There is no excuse for that anon. No excuse for triggering me like this and feeding false information for other anons to continue to trigger me.

>>54567594
cry some more over nitpicks, moron.

>>54567649
>nitpicks
>getting a crucial part of the story wrong

>>54567263
>>54567270
Does anyone have the pdfs?

>>54567659
It's not even that he got the story wrong, it's that he's perpetuating wrong shit he heard from /tg/ memes. Like Carcharodons are NL or chimeric.

>>54567659
>>54567856
eh, close enough, it's not like the fall of cadia lore was anything groundbreakingly original and epic to begin with.

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>>54560562
We'll I don't know OP, if only there was some kind of enforcement agency that enforced imperial law across the imperium

>>54567649
>>54567659
Isn't the crucial part of the story that Guilliman woke up? Who cares how Cadia explodes?

>>54564492
I wish he was Caligula

>>54562003
>what you want 11 versions of Istvaan V from horus, fulgrim, angron, mortarion, alpharius, perty, lorgar, cruze, Ferrus, Corax and Vulkan?
...yes?

>>54562003
>>54568618
>>54562003
Haven't we already gotten half of those?

>>54568608
That's Fulgrim

>>54560562
Hmm who to choose?

Son of the God i worship or some fat fuck that wants to use my life for personal gain?

>>54568664
Traitor Guilliman when

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>>54567421
Hammk on deviantart, very good, sorta impressionist art of various subjects, mostly 40/30k

>>54567421
Hammk on deviantart, sorta an impressionist style

>>54560854
>Codex Astartes revisions

Robbie's just tweaking points costs.

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>>54561409
Why are you so mad my guy?

>>54561529
>"You think you can protest my decisions? You motherfuckers will be playing regicide in a prison colony when I'm finished with you. Penal legion duty, heretic. 23 Terran hour lockdown. I'm the man up in this piece. Who the fuck do you think you're fucking with? I'm a primarch, I run shit around here. You just live here. I'm gonna' burn this motherfucker down. The Emperor ain't got shit on me."

>>54560562
1. dissolve the high lords of terra
2. ???
3. profit!

>>54562249
it's just a spitpaint though

>>54572790
So you want to dissolve the only unifying aspect of all the different factions the Imperium is made of and assume that will solve everything? So, instead of all the different groups coming together and figuring out what to do, they all just go and do their own thing. That'll work out great.

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>>54572887
Absolutely.

I'm also sure there will also be no repercussions whatsoever with putting the post-human psychopaths with no life experience beyond constant, savage combat in charge of ordinary humans. Its not like they have a vested interest in ensuring they have a constant supply of violent savages for recruitment. And of course none of the other groups of post-human psychopaths will see the Ultramarines doing a power grab will want to call dibs on their own fiefdoms. Even if they did, I'm sure they're all very much like the Ultramarines and their successors (the boring ones and not, say, the ones like the cannibal Mortifactors). There's no chance that you'll end up with a lot of places like Medusa, or Fenris, or one of those other hell holes. What a silly idea.

>>54567628
Was under the impression that Goulding left, and therefore could no longer be blamed for shit?

>>54573205
>implying all the chapters won't recognize their spiritual liege and rally to him

>>54572887
You have the son of your god at the helm of your government I'd say that's pretty unifying.

>>54574704
And as we know, nothing has been as unifying and stabilizing in the world as a dictatorship.

If the Emperor saw fit for there to be a senate, how is his son gonna do any better without one?

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>>54573205
Imperium now is bloodiest and cruelest regime ever, you can't go worse than this with marine rulers, the only difference between Huron and typical imperial governor was that he refused to pay tithes.

>>54560562
>How the fuck is he going to enforce this?

Well he's in charge of the Imperium, so he'll probably use the Imperium.

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>>54573205
This dude looks way more attractive and healthy than imperial "human" officials.

The (((Nobility))) won't like this...

>>54568370
Gaurdfags do. They lost their "Ultra"gaursman. And their spiritual leige all in one fell stroke.

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>>54563370

Why didn't Emps show Lorgar the same vision he showed Ra?

See, this is retarded.

>>54576637
Because for all his talk about a rational and enlightened Imperium The Emperor was a fucking idiot when it mattered.

>>54576637
Because BL hadn't thought up Ra and that vision yet.

>>54561890
>No good Dark Angel artwork, books or character models

Why does Geedubs hate us?

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>>54578165


At least you're not the White Who's

>>54567637
They did overload though...

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>>54560562
The only option is to bring back Holt.

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>>54560562
by making imperium great again

>>54567550
>>54567568
8th gives the impression once Cadia broke the Black Crusade turned into a disorganized mess with Khorne doing his Blood Crusade, Death Guard going for Ultramar, and Tzeentch fucking with Nurgle. Then the other warbands started fighting each other or pillaging planets instead of conquering.

They made it to Terra after all, but were overstretched and buckled when Guilliman counter attacked. That's just war.

Chaos' advantage is the Cicatrix lets them attack galaxy wide now.

>>54580801
>They made it to Terra after all, but were overstretched and buckled when Guilliman counter attacked.
The Black Crusade never made it to Terra. Khorne and his daemons assaulted it but that was by themselves.

>>54580828
I'm treating Chaos as a singular entity here. The Black Legion redirected to stop Guilliman. The rest of the Crusade started doing their own thing. Don't forget Magnus also attacked Luna.

>>54580852
>I'm treating Chaos as a singular entity here.
Well thats a mistake IMO. Especially when talking about a crusade. Events outside of the crusade such as Magnus on Luna shouldnt be considered as a part of it.

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>>54561542
>Every hypothesis basically comes back to him being one.
Atheism does not make sense in a setting where the influence of gods is quantifiable, and in some cases harvested for energy or directed for purposes of warfare

At that point Gods just become another unstable natural resource to be used

>>54560708
God, I miss the Beheading already.

>>54568679
who is closer and who has a gun?

>>54560907

>theoretical practical theoretical practical theoretical practical

Is this a direct quote from the book? Is this how the author represents primarch-level brainpower and logic?

>>54580931
the ecclesiarchy probably spends more time with the average imperial than the nobles and has the wealth and influence to get mercenary companies and assassins to kill more people.

Guilliman can't fix the entire Imperium overnight but since the space marines are loyal to him, most planetary governors on strategically important worlds will be reluctant to openly rebel against him. This is a practical matter, due to the fact that if they did, they would get drop pods slamming into their million-throne estates and power armored jocks pouring out removing them from power. And that's if the local Arbites haven't arrested them already.

Governors on worlds without big industrial outputs or important positions rebel all the time, feral worlders usually don't even know the Imperium exists. These guys would be able to rebel against Guilliman more effectively, unless he singles one out to make an example. But seceding from the Imperium with the literal legions of hell cutting the galaxy in half isn't a bright move.

>>54561542

True Gods are ominpotent and omniscient. Emps is neither. True Gods aren't created, they create. Emps was created.

Emps is as much a tool as anyone else he perceives as a tool. He is literally the combined will of the late Shamans made manifest.

>>54571877

According to the fluff from the new codex space marines released to day the revisions include:

-Captains required to have two full-time force commanders("lieutenants")
-battle companies can add squads from reserve companies or primaris marines

Also the reason why primaris marines fit in with the culture of their chapters right away, is they were actually reserve marines from those chapters kept in stasis by Cawl for thousands of years.

>>54560851
He is nothing if not a pragmatic motherfucker.

>>54567329
You forgot about the Jannies

>>54581225
Feral worlds, feudal worlds, etc...are backwater planets that are largely in the boonies and hardly relevant either tactically or strategically with low ranking Imperial commanders who wouldn't warrant even daring thinking of crossing a literal son of the God-Emperor much less ignoring the fact they wouldn't know about his coming for years if not decades or even centuries given how unlike Star Wars, both FTL and communications in 40k for humanity is ass tier unless we are talking about the Pharos device or psyker antics.

>>54574964
During the Great Crusade it was found that Marines made shitty commanders for non-Marines, because they expected way too much from them and drove them till they dropped.

You got a brainwashed, child soldier drilled from a young age to love the Emperor and their chapter, to have very little concept of personal liberties and barely any free time of their own, and you expect them to make good, stable leaders of men?

Also, what does the disband of the senate have to do with planetary governors?

>>54561632
>Propsero Burns
>good

>>54561632
>Eisenhorn
The ending was a disappointment with all the set up we got with the renegade Inquisitor being such a flat and boring chimp out.
>Prospero Burns
No.
>Know No Fear
Yes.
Abnett is great USUALLY but McNeil is better.

>>54581256
literallyread any mythology other than the Christian one.

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>>54581822
>to have very little concept of personal liberties and barely any free time of their own, and you expect them to make good, stable leaders of men?
Again as i mentioned dudes like Ursarkar Creed or Macharius are exception from rule, the majority of imperial "human" leaders are inhumane monsters who only care if its job done, not by its means. Commissars and stormtroopers are trained by murdering their friends in schola, they have mentality of skaven from WFB.

>>54567628
Skarsnik was suprisngly good, also Guy Haley will be forever rmeebered to me as the guy that undercoats his greenskins brown and once lost with imperial guard to tyranids without killing a single enemy model(he tried to wipe out the big beasts but shit rolls left them unharmed), that's right, not a single tyranid dead.

>>54582441
What about Cain? Or Gaunt? Or Slaydo and Macaroth?

>>54582869
all written before the commissars kill their best friend retcon.

>>54560771
>The nobles are all dead from old age before he's through with half of them

Reminder that the name Ultramarines is a pun.

The name of the chapter is actually a joke.

Carry on.

>40k
>A popular setting that's basically one giant heavy metal art cover as a setting.
>Sales drop so got to find a new audience of course.
>Turn everything it generic space opera.

SJWs win again.

>>54561409
Shut the fuck up, filthy furry.

>>54583117
How on Earth is that the SJW's fault? I don't see female SM or new SoB codexes anywhere, to prove your theory.

>>54582910
>>54582441
Except that's not true. In some cases it might be their final test, but not every commissar comes to the ranks after having blasted the brains of their friend. Schola Progenium has always been a harsh place. They cull the weak and make strong and faithful Imperial servants. That's been part of the fluff for decades.

What makes you think 30k era human commanders were not cruel? What makes you think they weren't ready to make sacrifices? Discipline Masters were common among the Army, the Emperor had a whole legion of super-human warriors for executing people he didn't like, and you had the likes of WE and Night Lords part of your team. What exactly makes it a more civilized time?

At least a human tyrant has the strengths and weaknesses of a human. Even he can get tired. He won't be kicking the troops forwards for 3 days straight with no sleep.

>>54583117
>70's 2000AD punk phase
>80's metal phase
>90's super serious grimdark phase
>2000's grimderp phase
>late 2010's a new hope phase

40k has gone through a lot of phases. Edition or two from now we might see a whole new phase.

>>54583034
Ultramarine Blue is named after the Lapis Lazuli stone that was used by mediaeval European artists as a blue dye. It's named 'Ultramarine' because it was from lands that were 'across the sea', namely Afghanistan and other Muslim regions. The Crusader kingdoms through which these dyes were supplied to Europe were known collectively as 'Outremer' or 'Ultramar', as they were seen as outposts across the sea (like how 40k's Ultramar is an outpost of Imperial power in the far Galactic East). So that's why Ultramar is called what it is and why the warriors of Ultramar are called Ultramarines.

Though I'm sure their blue colour has something to do with it as well.

>>54583765
They're the new big group with lots of disposable income. See literally every marketing decision made by game companies.

>>54584071
>Dark
>Dark
>Dark
>Dark
>Star Wars

My point exactly.

>>54583117
>generic space opera
I dont think you understand the words you're using. The Guilliman and Cawl stuff in Dark Imperium was damn good.

>>54584925
Dark Imperium is the best BL book in a long while IMO. The opening with Fulgrim was perfect.

>>54584827
>Cartoony
>Corny
>Dark
>Stupid
>30k

FTFY

>>54564349
in the codex rewritten there is no more the limit of 1000 marines for each chapter.
no idea what the new limit is.

>>54585391
Yeah it was actually enjoyable to read, not perfect of course but for BL it was pretty damn good.

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>>54584027
>What makes you think 30k era human commanders were not cruel
Guilliman flipped when he found how humans behave, he lived in time of enlightenment and hope but has awoken in nightmarish dystopia so he said it would be better if Horus won than see this.

>WE and Night Lords part of your team
They were used only against enemies.

Imperium in 30k is harsh dictatorship, Imperium in 40k is worst regime in history. Not only by its cruelty but sheer mismanagement and ineffective rule. Whole planets are enslaved by insufferable pointless labour only because of Administratum errors.

>>54585575
I think I'll swing by my local bookstore and see if they have Dark Imperium.

I keep hearing good things about it and I suppose I should finally read the thing.

>>54585620
>They were used only against enemies.

So "enlighten" them, no doubt. It's funny what's considered kosher when you're not at the receiving end of it. It's ok for Pert to cull his ranks on a whim or Mortarion to poison planets, but it's not ok for Valhallans to send dudes into minefields or Krieg to get nuked into compliance.

>it would be better if Horus won than see this

Can we just pull his plug and find another primarch to resurrect who isn't such a bitch? I don't think I want to fight alongside a general who thinks Hitler should have won.

>>54584027
>What exactly makes it a more civilized time?
You don't get burned if you don't worship Emperor and not marine or admech.
You don't get burned if you want to innovate and invent.
You don't get burned if you complain about atrocities

>It's ok for Pert to cull his ranks on a whim or Mortarion to poison planets,
They were reprimanded and despised by other primarchs.

>I don't think I want to fight alongside a general who thinks Hitler should have won.
Only if don't you live under government that is worse than him.

>>54585835
>You don't get burned if you don't worship Emperor and not marine or admech.

You just get burned if you do. Or if you don't submit to their rule. Or think about rebelling. Or you had dealings with aliens.

>You don't get burned if you complain about atrocities

Not that complaining about them did anything to stop them in 30k.

>They were reprimanded and despised by other primarchs.

Yet they got to continue and grow bitter, so them turning traitor was that much assured.

>Only if don't you live under government that is worse than him.

I don't. I'll take a shitty Imperium over Chaos any day of the week.

>>54581113
That's how the authors have been portraying Guilliman in particular. The Ultramarine characters in the HH series did it too, apparently having learned it from their Primarch.

>>54585620
>so he said it would be better if Horus won than see this.
>Even as he said it, Guilliman saw the lie in his words.
Why such misinformation? He thought it, but immediately regretted it.

>>54565054
>Imperium's flaws and problems are too fundamental to be solved with a single book

Though with GW's writers, that's probably what will happen. The entirety of the setting is built on "there's no way that this would work, but it does".

>>54579031
They didn't. Read the book.

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Every time.

>>54581113
Its a little bit of a snark change to how people think Guilliman was before the Horus Heresy novels. Basically, Guilliman is all about logic, rationality, and so on so his main methods of analyzing things is putting theory and practice side by side.

I liked it.

>>54581113
>>54586277
Guilliman says its how he was taught to think things through on Ultramar. Pretty sure its based on something greek or roman. It sounded really fucking familiar.

>>54560562
By being a living saint of god, and if the nobles disobey their serfs will kill them in religious fuey.

>>54560663
I wanna lewd that noble.

>>54560771
I FOUND OUT LONG AGO

IT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE HOLIDAY ROAD

>>54586313
Its called dialectic.

>>54583117

>/pol/ subhumans shitting up another /tg/ thread

pro tip you retard: 40k is not your settings, it's not made for you fascist scum

fuck off to your containment board

>>54586313
The entire theme of the Ultramarines is Greco-Roman hoplites and legionaries but his MO stems from Konor, his foster-father, being some kind of political and military genius who always rationalized things.

>>54586663

Dark Imperium also shows how much more he appreciates his foster father now.

>>54587121
Guilliman's superpower was having a well adjusted family that loved him. Of course he loved papa Konor.

>>54587167
>tfw you legitimately had feels replicated for Girlyman when Curze tried to kill his adoptive mother
>he even repeats this in a talk with Sanginius and it makes him almost black with rage

>>54560854
>This terrible future I find myself in is my fault as much as anyone else’s.
I've always considered Guilliman the one responsible for the state of the Imperium, even called it Imperium Secundus in my headcanon before the Unremembered Empire was a thing.