So if the UK has a hard brexit does that mean forgeworld goodies

>>54534275
Dunno. Hard brexit is looking increasingly unlikely. They're already discussing brexit lite.

>>54534290
What's the difference?

>>54534275
Hard brexit is happening because the EU refuses a lite version. So yes

>>54534275
>if X happens, will things in America be cheaper?
No. Why would America make something cheaper when they could just make fun of anyone who wasn't born in the upper class who can't afford it?

>>54534307

Basically the vote for Brexit got through, and now the british leaders are back peddling as hard as they can to ignore the will of the people as expressed by the vote because they don't want to take it up the ass like they will if they actually did it. Brexit hasn't actually happened yet, vote notwithstanding, and they are trying to keep it from happening.

>>54534331
>to ignore the will of the people as expressed by the vote
You mean geriatric English cunts?

Literally nobody cares about them. That's why they're so bitter.

>>54534321
Because Forgeworld isn't produced in the U.S. you mongoloid. You're buying from the U.K.

>>54534342

On the one hand I fully understand that quite frankly there are portions of the population who have no real business voting, that being said, respect the democratic process REEEEEEEEE

>>54534390
England is a monarchy.

>>54534342
As apposed to listening to Manchildren in college who legit think Communism isn't a vapid wash?

The EU is increasingly going a way that is against British interests, getting out now is a smart choice.

>>54534406
England is a constitutional parliamentary democracy with a titular monarch as head of state.

>>54534275
In a few years perhaps, if the UK negotiates a free trade agreement with the US. Not any time soon, no.

>>54534275
Depends on how deeply it craters the UK economy.

>>54534307
Hard brexit would just be no ties, brittain gets what they want. Fuck the police.

Soft is basically the status quo minus financial contributions to the EU.

The UK pretty much has no choice either. If they dont deal with the EU then they'll be dropped with zero trade. They have literally zero bargaining power.

>>54534523
>Zero bargaining power

Well, there is the whole "UK not trading with France or Germany catapults both of their economies into a huge shitfling and causes Spain and Ireland to become Mega-Greeces in terms of collapsing inwards.

The UK is basically a huge Economic plug that is keeping MANY economies in the EU afloat.

There is literally nothing Germany could do to stop this, so that's why they are gunning so hard for a Soft brexit.

>>54534515
Well, before brexit talks were launched, the UK had the fastest growing economy in the EU, now it's the slowest growing.

And Brexit itself hasn't even started yet.

>>54534569
Uncertainty will do that to an economy, not Brexit. Once it's finalized, the economy will grow.

>>54534554
>UK not trading with France or Germany catapults both of their economies into a huge shitfling and causes Spain and Ireland to become Mega-Greeces in terms of collapsing inwards
UK not trading with Europe anymore would be the best economic boon for France ever, since the two economies basically produce the same things. One big competitor out.

What's the point of discussing economics when Brexit was by and large a cultural decision made by a bloc of voters who were specifically and self-admittedly against immigration?

>>54534603
Retard alert
Retard alert
Retard alert

>>54534554
>so that's why they are gunning so hard for a Soft brexit.
Except that the EU negotiator for Brexit is aiming for the hardest brexit possible.

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>>54534275
yes.
brexit means that the UK economy will be reoriented towards producing real value towards the economy, instead of shuffling money around.

the financial class wants to have a very high pound because they want lots of foreign investment to play with and swash around in their london investment banks. none of that money will be ever seen by normal people.

when brexit happens, their currency will be priced lower, making it much easier to export products, by lowering the price.

the brexit debate is really a conflict between bankers who want an economy oriented towards their useless bullshit that helps only them, and normal people that want an economy oriented for everyone.

the banker side doesnt really have a rational argument, and most people are aware that they just want to sell the countries future for a yacht and a blowjob. so they have enlisted the help of racial minorites, who have peripheral loyalty to the country anyway, to distract us from that fact.

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>>54534275
>buying from forgeworld
Theres a land beyond the sea where the minis are cheap and the casts are good, and things never go out of production.

>>54534603
Are you joking mate?

France produces nothing in the realm to what Britain does.

Hell, you know Macron is gearing up Paris to try and out London as the Economic capital of Europe, do you know how much of a joke that actually is?

>Shitty public transport
>Shitty skyline for head offices
>Shitty infrastructure to support office life

Dublin and Frankfurt are 100% more likely to try and oust London, and Germany has fucked Ireland's laws up so Dublin cannot sustain tons of businesses and Frankfurt has admitted they lack the infastructure.

As for Luxury production, Both produce complete opposites.

Britains biggest competitor in economic trade in the EU has always been Germany, and both have muddied their economies and production together so much if either dies the other fucks over.

>>54534645
He's pretending to. You can't claim there is a "No ties ever" Brexit when BMW are already confirming a new British Auto plant.

The fact that 60% of Germany's cars are bought by Britain would literally smash Germany's economy overnight.

Germany NEEDS Britain to both buy car parts from and to SELL CARS TO.

All the EU wants is to steal London's power, and that simply won't happen.

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>>54534685
Having been in both London and Paris, London's infrastructure is decayed and decades behind Paris', and that is not saying much because Paris is pretty shit.

Also,
>France produces nothing in the realm to what Britain does.
This is simply wrong. Pic related

>>54534307
Hard Brexit will kill the UK and turn England basically into a third-world country.

>>54534750
>Having been in both London and Paris, London's infrastructure is decayed and decades behind Paris', and that is not saying much because Paris is pretty shit.

>Britain has the worst flooding in decades
>Themes doesn't even burst it's banks

>Paris has some rainfall
>Whole city reeks of shit because the plumbing is still 300 years fucking old.


>here look at this extremely generic groupings of exports.

You know Aircraft Spacecraft and launch vehicles is a massive fucking difference in parts and sales right?

>>54534685
You're so retarded mate. The entire British car industry will relocate to continental Europe. But there's no native British car industry left anymore. The British will HAVE to buy European cars, or they can bring back the horse carriage.

>>54534750
Which one is France and which one is the UK ?

>>54534783
>1 cm of snow
>London is in full stop

>>54534801
Then why did BMW just announce a NEW Auto-plant in the UK?

Either BMW are going to literally laugh at the EU and produce cheap cars in Britain for Britain, or the Germany-British Auto trade economy is not going to flinch.

I mean I understand if you're some kind of Brainwashed remainer who thinks moving ENTIRE INDUSTRIES OVERSEAS is a profitable venture for anyone but investment banking, but honestly, where the fuck are they going to put these jobs?

If they could relocate them so easily, it would have been done before, Germany tried it and it didn't work.

>>54534812
>1cm of snow
>Paris is in full stop AND stinks of shit again as the snowmelt enters the sewers.

I have a little easy quest for you, try to get from one side of Paris to the other, then try the same for London.

Then try and get from the suburbs of Paris to the center of Paris, and try the same for London.

You'll see the difference.

>>54534685
>He's pretending to
>m-merely pretending
Drop the act. The hardest the Brexit the more businesses will have to relocate in the EU to keep on doing business, and he knows that.

>>54534812
What does a person in Paris and the city of Paris have in common?

It never fucking works and it's plumbing is clogged up with Brown waste.

Well, before Brexit even starts the british economy already sinks and their government is in turmoil. There's no real reason it will get better.

>>54534839
Are you stupid? Businesses relocating is always a last resort.

It ALWAYS costs money, either in regaining manpower or rebuilding infastructure.

Banks it's easy, but if you legit think the Auto-trade industry would relocate in only what? 3-4 years, it's obvious you're a fucking middle class remoaner or a Europhilic dunce.

I mean let me give you some advice. British machines would stay in Britain. So Germany would need to buy the specialist machines FROM BRITAIN.

>>54534827
>I have a little easy quest for you, try to get from one side of Paris to the other
Had to do it for a train change, it's done in under 50 minutes.

>>54534845
t. Sadiq Khan, mayor of a city where middle schoolers chant allahu ackbar in the streets.

>>54534884
Now try the suburbs, you know, where your "Relocated" Workers will be staying.

Now imagine the fact that the UK is now installing a train line where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW.

One of the biggest memes ever is that London is scared of the EU, the truth is, London doesn't want to lose centralised power over the UK, No EU means London is less important to Investment banking. which means places like Leeds become prime real estate.

>>54534901
>Resorts to /int/ tier babyposting

As expected from a butthurt Parisian.

EU stalling tactics are lovely. The EU has become an authoritarian regime insisting that it is the defender of liberal democracy. There are many ways to strip people and governments of their self-determination. The way the EU has chosen is to create institutions whose mode of operation is opaque and whose authority cannot be easily understood. Under those circumstances, the claim to undefined authority exercised in an opaque manner becomes de facto authoritarianism – an authoritarianism built on complexity. It is a complexity so powerful that the British negotiating team is deemed to be unable to grasp the rules.

In recent weeks, EU negotiators have claimed that the British negotiators of Brexit are not sufficiently sophisticated to understand the complex issues being dealt with. The British team consists of well-educated and experienced civil servants. In claiming that this team is not up to the task of understanding the complexities of EU processes and regulations, the EU has made the strongest case possible against itself.

>>54534275
why would they lower the sale price when they can keep it the same and pocket the lower cost of production difference

>>54534927
>where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW
That's impressive considering it takes 5h nowadays. A bit late to invest in high-speed train.

In other news, Paris-Lyon is under 2h, Paris-Bordeaux under 3h30 and Paris-Marseille under 3h, and that there's only Toulouse left without a high-speed line.

>Now try the suburbs, you know, where your "Relocated" Workers will be staying.
Suburb to center is pretty easy in Paris, it's only direct lines. The only difficult thing is suburb to suburb since the circular line is under construction

>>54535171
>In other news, Paris-Lyon is under 2h, Paris-Bordeaux under 3h30 and Paris-Marseille under 3h, and that there's only Toulouse left without a high-speed line.
Aren't also the Lyon-Torino high-speed line and the links with the german high-speed network under construction ?

>>54534927
>Now imagine the fact that the UK is now installing a train line where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW.
Is that decided, voted and under construction ?

>>54534415
well said my man

>>54534569
>Slowest growing.

The only economy growing faster than Britain in the EU is Germany at 1.8%. The UK is growing faster than France, Spain, Italy, etc at 1.7% and that's using IMF projections which have been shut recently.

>>54534603
Britain is the MARKET for France, not a competitor. No deal fucks over France, not the UK.

>>54535379
Good projections my man, but actual statistics show that in Q1 2017 the UK growth is 0.2%, and 0.3% in Q2 2017.

That's lower than any country in the EU, including Greece.

>>54534523
>Soft is basically the status quo minus financial contributions to the EU.

That's wrong. Soft Brexit means they keep on paying, they still have to adapt EU laws and regulations, accept the rulings of EU courts and that the Poles can keep moving into the EU as they see fit. The british government get no say in any of it on top of that.

It's basically the best solution for the rest of Europe after this british fuck-up, but the worst for Britain and for Leave-voters. So chances are that London will simply drop the whole charade and pick up where they left with all the excemptions and rights they gained over decades of membership. Because the alternatives all are stupid and self-destructive.

>>54534779
Amusing when we are heading in that direction alongside those nations that head the European Union (at least on a demographic level)

Of course the obsession with continuous economic growth at any cost is what fuels the stampede towards the cliff edge.

>>54535530
The UK gets around 300000 legal immigrants from the former commonwealth every year, and they stay. Protip: they aren't aussies nor canucks.

>>54535398
But Britain doesn't have the manufacturing capabilities to produce what they buy from France and the rest of continental Europe. However, continental Europe sure has the capabilities to make what they buy currently from the UK. There's a radically big asymmetry between the two markets.

>>54534523
>The UK has zero bargaining power
Wrong on so many levels.

>>54535415
That's funny, because British manufacturing is doing brilliantly at the moment. Export order expectation gas grown to the highest since the1970s, output is at the highest it's been since 1995. Both domestic and export orders are up roughly 20% and 32% of firms are expanding at the fastest rate for three years. And this is all according to the CBI who are pro-EU. Greece on the other hand is requiring another bailout.

>>54534275
>if the UK has a hard brexit
More than 80% of votes went to hard Brexit parties.

You cannot stop us now

>>54535618
Britain doesn't trade with the EU at an equal level though. Exports to the EU make up less than half of total exports and most of those EU exports are hard to source components required for manufacturing and industry. Tarrifs on the UK would hit the EU countries that export a lot to the UK harder, while Britain would be gaining more in tarrifs than would be paid to export to the EU

>>54535681
Well, I don't know what to say to you, except that the ONS actually released the numbers and it makes you lie quite a bit.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/jul/26/uk-gdp-britain-economy-second-quarter-2017-live
>"Despite frothy optimism in sector survey data, manufacturing failed to make a positive contribution to GDP growth"

There is nothing he EU does for the UK that couldn't be replicated with an alliance and trade deal. Why should we accept the subsumption of the United Kingdom into the planned European state for little benefit and great cost? Especially as many nations around he world can trade, work and travel within the EU with ease?

>>54535734
>Using the Guardian as a source on Brexit.

That like using Breitbart on Muslims.

>>54535771
It's a live on the latest economical data. They aren't even pinning it on Brexit.

>>54535618
German auto workers aren't going to want to hear that when they're laid off because the UK embargoed their cars.

>>54535801
The UK can't really afford to embargo their first trade partner, especially with a sluggish economy and a weak political leadership.

If a hard brexit is such a big risk for the EU as brexiteers say, why is the UK the only one to slow down in growth ?

>>54535831
two world wars and one world cup

>>54535831
Plus, Germany actually has a balanced budget and a low debt, the UK has a large deficit and a huge debt.

>>54534290
>They're already discussing brexit lite.
The British, yes. The Germans and, with the election of Macron, the French are unwilling to budge. Merkel wants to punish Britain for leaving Merkelreich, Macron wants to reform finance in France and inviting over finance from London never hurts.

That, and the one who's fucking Britain over the hardest is actually May. By starting the Article 50 procedure (pro-tip: because this has never happened before, there's nothing obliging the British government to start Article 50 before starting exit negotiations), Britain has put itself on a 2 year timer. This gives the EU a lot of power, and its negotiators know this. They will most likely throw what they want to discuss first on the table, after getting what they want cross their arms, wait for the timer to run out and tell Britain "Oh dear, is it this late already? Well, time to go home!" and leave Britain empty handed. (https://www.businessinsider.nl/article-50-deadline-2017-7/?international=true&r=US)

And THEN there's the fact that May called for unneccessary elections that weakened her party, forcing her for the first time in a very long period to have a coalition government rather than a one party government.

Brexit could've been a smart move for Britain, that was still a very viable future course when the British people made their will known. It's just that May has proven herself incredibly incompetent. She may go down the books as the most incompetent leader of the 21st century, and given that she's competing with Mutti Multiculti and "the poor are toothless" Hollande that's saying a lot.

>>54534803
I imagine the one with the bigger petrol exports is Britain (North Sea Oil) and the one with the bigger wine exports is France (duh).

>>54535887
HAHAHAHAHAHA

No it fucking doesn't.

>>54535831
It wouldn't be an embargo in that sense. Just that other cars would be far cheaper, both the ones domestically produced in Britain and cars from outside the EU (which would be free of the obscenely high EU tarrifs) would push German, French and Italian exports out.

>>54534513
A titular monarch who has withheld consent for parliamentary bills in the past, preventing them from passing it into law.

>>54535856
Because the housing bubble is deflating slightly causing construction to reduce to keep prices high, and we haven't left the EU yet so it hasn't been affected yet.

>>54535939
>both the ones domestically produced in Britain
??????
>which would be free of the obscenely high EU tarrifs
EU tariffs on cars are literally WTO-tier, so they wouldn't be cheaper than they are now.

>>54535939
I mean are people really forgetting the huge Tarrifs on Japanese cars are whats keeping the Japanese car market from dominating Britain?

>>54534275

If brexit makes the pound lose more value.

There won't be some magical "free trade agreement" making things cheaper though.

>>54535931
It's all smoke and Mirrors at the end of the day, because BMW are still building more British Auto-plants.

You can't suddenly call that what it isn't, investment. If they were going to talk jobs away, they wouldn't make more British Auto-plants.

Hell, Germany might abuse Britain out of the EU to sell Globally like their deal with America that just went through.

>>54535968
>??????
He's probably not aware that Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini etc. are now German owned.

>>54535937
Hahahahaha. Yes, the Krauts regularly run budget surpluses. When was the last time you jolly lot pulled that off?

>>54535991
>You can't suddenly call that what it isn't, investment
Except that you are looking at 1 (one) investment rather than the big picture

>>54535991
I don't know the details, but I imagine that's just some sister/daugher company loophole, in the same way Coca Cola has a company in Luxembourg (I think? It's somewhere in the Benelux) to avoid the EU's import tarrifs for its products. We should certainly not see the actions of a German private entity as proof that the entire EU will go soft on Britain, when its two biggest powers have already expressed the desire to punish it and the only bloc of countries willing to go soft of Britain consists of the Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland (nobodies in the grand scheme of things).

>>54536001
And what is the big picture?

Why would BMW invest into Britain if it's going to be removing jobs from Britain.

Are you stupid or something? Why would a company spend money to lose money?

>>54535995
Now try and build a Bentley in a German Factory... Oh wait.

You can own the name, but the manufacturers are all 100% British.

>>54536030
France and Germany can pretend they can be hard on Britain all they want, they're literally impotent threats when Germany's economy tells mama Merkel to go fuck herself behind her back.

And no, It's BMW investing into the Mini company, because ONLY Brits and Italians buy Minis. So BMW is not going to spend money to lose money.

Europhiles need to stop pretending the ECONOMIC part of the EU is going to bow down to the Socialist retards, especially when the country they want to "Punish" was the third biggest contributor to their great Marxist experiment.

Also, Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland would not really be people to piss off, the last thing Merkel wants is them on Britain's side.

>>54535869
and zero bargaining chips

>>54535749

The EU is based on another kind of mentality than "what's in it for us?".
It's a grand vision of Europeans working ever closer together to build a better future in the long run. That's why we in the West spend a lot of money helping those in the East.

The UK is coming along on this ride. It used to be in the front seat, now moving to the back seat. That's all that "brexit" really is.

>manufacturing keeps on falling in britain
Well that was unexpected with all this inflation

>>54536092
You mean no longer in the passenger seat with Merkel riding into shitstainistan.

Well done OP.

>>54536105
>Falling

I mean, no shit with the unstable flux due to the unsure nature of Brexit right now.

But a little advice; Invest in Whiskey company stocks, Brexit is gonna finally break Whiskey into the India Market and it'll be a fucking boom.

>>54536152
But everyone else is growing. Even fucking Greece is growing more than the UK.

>>54536035
>You can own the name, but the manufacturers are all 100% British.
"Own the name"? Bruh, you know that Bentley and all of its factories are part of the Volkswagen Group, right? It is in its entirety property of Volkswagen. The case isn't that Volkswagen "needs" British factories for its Bentleys, it's that they're providing British jobs. This is also why, when PSA (French) bought Opel (German brand owned by American General Motors), the first thing that concerned the Germans was whether or not this would lead to loss of jobs. Merkel even publically stated she was fine with the merger as long as it didn't mean jobs would move away from Germany. Because PSA could very well move all Opel factories from Germany to France if they wanted.

So this doesn't give the British government a means of pressure, only a way to cut themselves in the fingers by reducing employment.

>>54536081
First of
>Europhiles
Far from it, stop seeing demons everywhere. I detest the EU, I just see that Britain is handling its exist very incompetently and could've made smarter moves.

>because ONLY Brits and Italians buy Minis
Is that so?
http://raycee1234.blogspot.nl/2013/02/bmw-mini-car-sales-by-country-2012.html
Because as far as I can see it's most popular in the USA, and Germany, China and France buy more of them than Italy (though sales are decreasing admittedly). If Britain chooses to exclude itself from the EU's markets, this is far from a death sentence for Mini (or other German goods, or French ones for that matter).

>Also, Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland would not really be people to piss off
"Piss off"? What're they gonna do, follow Britain down the hole? They're a bloc that tries to soften the EU's stance and will probably fail, because the big powers in the EU either actively benefit from punishing Britain (Germany, France), don't care (Italy, Poland) or are butthurt over other reasons (Spain).

>>54536194
Because of the indecisive nature of Brexit. Not Brexit itself.

What would you bet on the most bro.

10% return of investments
??% return of investments

If you knew anything about economics, you'd understand uncertainty is the biggest growth killer.

>>54536120
The UK welcomes something like 300000 new brown third worlders every year. It has taken the high speed train to shitstainistan long ago and keep trucking on brexit or not.

Question for UK-anons: What exactly is it that you want?

Last month I ordered a board game from an American company. The game cost 45 USD and then I got hit with toll fee and import tax adding another 50 USD. Fucking stupid.

When I buy games from UK I don't have to worry about that. The product costs the GBP the website says it does. That's how it should be. Good for me. And good for the UK business I buy from since it makes me much more likely to buy from them.

>>54534307
Hard brexit means the UK is all the way out. No contributions, not part of the single market (though they can still negotiate a trade deal to retain access or suck up the 3% WTO tariff), no free movement with mainland Europe, and naturally no seat on the EU parliament.

Soft brexit means the UK remains a part of the single market, remains open to free movement and continues to pay (lessened) contributions, but no longer has a seat at the EU parliament.

Basically soft Brexit means all of the downsides and none of the benefits of hard Brexit.

>>54536152
>But a little advice; Invest in Whiskey company stocks, Brexit is gonna finally break Whiskey into the India Market and it'll be a fucking boom.
That sounds like the weirdest get rich quick scheme I've heard in a while. Explain.

>>54536253
>remains open to free movement and continues to pay (lessened) contributions
Not really, because the rebate already put them on the same level of contribution per capita than Norway, who has the sort of model a soft Brexit would be.

>>54536255
>buy whiskey stocks
>india starts buying whiskey
>whiskey stock value rises
>???
>profit

>>54536218
Stop pretending you're not just some buttmad kraut bro, it's unbecoming.

Volkswagen can own the Bentley name all they want, but like I said.

Show me a factory in Germany that can make a single Bentley. They can't.

It seems you don't fucking understand how Luxury items work.

>>54536255
EU Tariffs on British Whiskey are fucking horrific right now due to it being an extremely sort after luxury good. It's why it costs fucking bank to import it into places like India.

UK outside of the EU means India can come begging for that Scotch goodness.

Like I said though, Germans seem to think Luxury items don't exist.

>>54536247
Not only that, but people voting Brexit for the sole reason of "getting their country back" is probably the dumbest reason to support it.

https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15

Leave activists have attempted to win over "Asian" votes by promising that after all those filthy Poles are booted they'll be replaced by "Commonwealth" migrants. For those of you keeping track, that's the Leave camp making reducing the number of white people and increasing the number of brown people one of its policies.

>>54536295
>Stop pretending you're not just some buttmad kraut bro, it's unbecoming.
But I'm not. Would it make you happier if I goosestepped for a bit und ztarted typing like zhis, ja?

>It seems you don't fucking understand how Luxury items work.
Oh, fuck off.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/brexit-bentley-could-shift-production-europe-%E2%80%98worst-case-scenario%E2%80%99
Bentley's CEO is putting pressure on Britain, not Germany. He's saying that if Britain doesn't secure free trade with the EU, Bentley's companies will move to EU countries. If you want to be anal about it this doesn't mean Germany per se, but eh... whatever.

>>54534275
They're going to up the price no matter what happens.

>>54536387
>"Bentley" moves to Poland
>Loses it's entire Artisan grade staff
>Shits out a couple awful cars that nobody buys because they're no longer top of the line
>Volkswagen loses billions for no reason.

Bentley's CEO is talking hot air. If that was a profitable situation it would have happened when Bentley was taken over.

Or do you somehow think all the Bentley staff are going to move to Germany for some reason?

Which again, makes me think you have no idea what a fucking Luxury Good is, which makes me think you're German.

>>54536295

There's no factory in the UK who can make a Bentley either. It takes many factories to build a car. The supply chain is complex and huge and virtually never fully inside a single country.

Do you want a "hard brexit" and suddenly disrupt the logistics of the big manufacturing corporations? Maybe you do, but those corps don't.

>>54536449
>"Bentley" moves to Poland
Why not France? Or Germany, the country of its parent company? Where it would be able to profit even more from the assets of Volkswagen Group? Why do you have to select the worst case scenario and the dumbest possible move for Bently to make a point?

>Bentley's CEO is talking hot air.
Of course it is.

>If that was a profitable situation it would have happened when Bentley was taken over.
It wasn't, but it might become a profitable situation. That's why the CEO stated that Bentley will move to another country if their main reason for remaining in Britain is removed.

>Which again, makes me think you have no idea what a fucking Luxury Good is, which makes me think you're German.
Your belief that you can read both my mind and the mind of Bentley's CEO and divine that our true thoughts are actually the exact opposite of what we say makes me think you're a UKIP voter.

What's all that talk about cars and BMW when what really matters is the City of London?

A few industrial jobs in the UK (or not) can't be that important compared to the powerhouse that is one of the biggest financial place in the whole goddamn world right?

That's the prize to me. Will the UK manage to keep banks and the likes in London or not?

>>54536516
>What's all that talk about cars and BMW when what really matters is the City of London?
Because some anon started it with the delusional belief that Britain can get even with the EU by putting an embargo on their automobiles, boosting sales for British automobiles, when in reality it would drive these "British" factories out of Britain.

That, and even if finance results in more revenue/tax money for the British state, you can imagine that losing out on a lot of factory jobs won't make the government any more popular, nor will it exactly do the British economy any favors.

>>54536516

The City of London voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU. That should tell you something.

>>54536500
Because all of this talk was done fucking years ago.

The Bentley 4x4 was threatened to be built in Slovakia alongside direct Volkswagen assets.

Until this news was seen as discrediting the Bentley name because Bentley is a luxury good and production was still maintained and Crewe.

So LIKE AGAIN, I think you simply don't understand what a fucking Luxury good is.

>>54536564
>Until this news was seen as discrediting the Bentley name
If you read the article I linked to rather than accusing me of not knowing what a luxury good is, you would see that this exact fucking point is being adressed by the CEO. To him, it's the choice of selling Bentleys with the loss of their allure or not selling them at all.

This talk "fucking years ago" did not involve Britain leaving the EU's free market. You're comparing apples and oranges, and you can't even see it because you're that mad. It almost feels like I'm talking to a sentient nationalist pamphlet from the 19th century.

>>54536516
Yes.

Because if all else fails, London goes full Swiss mode and refuses to close all the loopholes for offshore assets.

The only city geared up enough to handle anything close to London is Frankfurt, who has outright made the statement they are always and forever a supplement to London, not a direct competitor.

Paris is a joke, Macron is literally needing to threaten the Entire EU to turn itself over to French economic interests to even have a chance of nabbing major investment.

>>54535945
You're full of shit.

Literally can never happen.

The sovereign does not have the power to withhold assent from a bill against the advice of ministers.

Above quote from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent

>>54534290
fkn kuntz

>>54536295
There is no export tariffs levied from the EU bro. Stop the scam.

Some british anon care to explain why exactly they want out of the common market? What's the point?

>>54536609
>You're comparing to selling Bentley's made in fucking Slovakia to selling Bentley's made in Slovakia

No, again, it sounds like you're a fucking neanderthal who doesn't understand what a fucking luxary good is.

Nobody will by cheap to make poorly fashioned Bentley's, which is what will happen when they're made in a generic Volkswagen auto-plant.

You can by "Sctotch" style whiskey for cheap, but Authentic Scotch whiskey it costs alot more, because it's a LUXURY GOOD. Like AUTHENTIC EGYPTIAN COTTON and other such things.

>>54536651
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-goods-from-the-eu-to-a-third-country-outside-the-eu

u w0t m8.

What the brits should do is ride the meme and awe moment and secure trade deals with other countries so the blow is diminished and, of course, hope papa america gets behind them and keeps them on life support.

Also what does the uk produce that makes it so important to the tards in the thread that any EU country doesn't produce?
Also why people come here like the whole EU depends on selling the uk stuff? Imagine, if there's really any uk citizen here and not just shitposters, that
>a ton of basic shit and brands get either % expensive because taxes
>fruits and basic commodities get expensive as now you need to get new trade partners outside the EU or inside but on a shittier deal
>other shit I can't think off but may hit

Sure it ain't the end of the world but it was a decision made by idiots that gained meme momentum and affects a complex matter like their whole fucking economy and world position and none of the people that pandered to make the brexit are taking responsibility and just shitting on the ground and falling asleep on it, just like their voters and defenders.
>>54534275
Why would that happen?
>>54534554
Wew that was pure cringe to read and retarded as fuck.

>>54536666
>Authentic Scotch whiskey

*whisky

>>54536666
>Car maker believes its British identity is key, but its CEO admits export tariffs could force it into continental Europe
>Speaking to Reuters at the Geneva motor show, he said the brand’s British identity and Crewe production plant were key to its success, but that “before we would not produce any Bentleys anymore, we would produce them somewhere else”.
>Dürheimer said that Bentley employees would need to be able to travel freely around the continent without visas to remain competitive with Europe-based rivals. If the British Government is unable to confirm such a scenario, Bentley may be forced to take action.

Sit down, calm down a little, take a deep breath and explain to me what part of the above you do not understand.

ADMECH TRANSPORTS FOR 40K WHEN???

>>54536657
British anon here. I didn't vote to leave because i'm not 60 and i'm not a daily mail reader. Nor am I a fucking autist who can't understand statistics. This is going to royally fuck up everything.

>>54536657
get rid of poofs like
>>54536737

>>54536722
>CEO who knows nothing things people in Crewe need to travel around the EU to be competitive

It's almost as if he's trying to make sure he can dick about with all his business class friends.

Let me explain this to you in the most German way possible.

Nobody would buy a Polish made Bentley. I know it's hard for cucks like you to understand that a CEO is speaking politically.

>>54536737
>I am a communist cuck

Easy boy, I'm sure your stupidity will pay off under the iron boot of the EU.

>>54536678
From your own link
>Ultimately, third country duties are based on the type of goods you’re exporting, their origin and their value
There is no tariff levied by the EU or on EU rules on export. None. And the tariffs levied by other countries won't disappear once the UK is out of the EU neither.

>>54536776
So you literally cannot read now?

If there were no import or export levvies, we'd be selling Whisky to the Indians and importing cheap New Zealand Lamb and Wool.

You don't understand the EU at all do you?

>>54536767
>The CEO of Bentley knows nothing about his own product, its market, its appeal and good business decisions
>A very angry shitposter on a taiwanese puppet theater forum does
Wew lad!

>Nobody would buy a Polish made Bentley.
Did you gloss over the part where this specific argument is being adressed? Again? Even after I specifically highlighted it?
The options are remaining in a Hard Brexit Britain and losing access to its biggest market, or losing some of the appeal and remaining in its biggest market, while still having access to non-British overseas markets. Lose the biggest free trade area in the world, or lose one country of about 60 million inhabitants. The CEO has judged that Bentley's British appeal simply isn't worth enough to compensate for losing access to the EU's free market.

Now take a chill pill.

>>54536767
You do realise that's why no one likes you outside of /pol/ right? Dealing in absolute like that all the time.
You've been putting words in his mouth, attacking him personnally and painting him as the extreme opposite to your point of view when he hasn't shown a sign of being a filthy communist cuck or whichever buzzwords you want to use.

You might be right on Bentley, or maybe not, but that doesn't change the fact you're acting like an autistic cunt, even more so since it's such a minor point of Brexit.

>>54536808

So free trade with India and New Zealand is awesome, but free trade with Germany is HORRIBLE?

I'm genuinely trying to understand the logic behind brexit.

>>54536851
>Free Trade with India and New Zealand without needing to bend your own laws over backwards for courts not in your country

Vs

>The EU


Maybe if the EU wasn't trying to be a Pseudo-Megastate I'd be inclined to agree with you.


>>54536815
How the fuck is the EU a bigger market than a Global market?

>>54536885
For someone who keeps whining about LUXURY PRODUCTS, you fail to understand why Indians don't drive around in luxury cars.

>>54536295
>Show me a factory in Germany that can make a single Bentley. They can't.

>What is audi?
>What is mercedes?
>What is BMW?
>What is Porsche?
>What is Maserati (EU)?
>What is Lamborghini (EU)?
>What is Ferrari (EU)?
>What is Lamborghini (EU)?
>What is Bugatti (EU)?
>What is Brabus?
As you don't know, most of these are owned by german conglomerates like Volkswagen or BMW (except some of the italians ones that where part of FIAT which is now allied with chrysler (murrica)) which have more industrial power, weight, technologies and know how than bentley (which is broke as fuck and also owned by volskwagen btw) or Rolls-Royce (owned by BMW and only valuable part of said company is the turbine/motor division).
Britain hasn't any industry that is better or key for the UE or UE based companies. Any decision would be an economical one and if the german overlords decide to close the UK factory and open it in
>Poland
rest assured that the quality of the work wont be diminished, nor that you would even buy one of said cars anyway.

>>54536808
English is my fourth language and it seems that I can read and write english better than a brexiteer. There's is IMPORT tariffs in the EU - every country has those. There is no EXPORT tariffs to other countries levied by the EU.

For the record, actually do your research and tell me what is the tariff levied by the EU to export british whisky to India.

>>54534390
Democratic process implies an informed populace casting a vote. "LEAVE" provides no granularity or details on what kind of leave is desired and prohibits meaningful choice. You're lumping people who want the hardest possible Brexit in with people who want to retain access to the market or movement zone when clearly they disagree with each other and might not have voted to leave if it meant the other guy's type of leave.

>>54536885

>How the fuck is the EU a bigger market than a Global market?

Are you fucking serious? Do you believe that the world outside EU is one single free trade area?

>bend your own laws over backwards

such as?

>>54536924
Right, seems I need to explain how the EU works to a fucking EU commie, how fucking typical.

>EU and India have 150% Tariff on Goods.
>Singular EU nation ( UK ) has a good India wants more of.
>EU does not allow India to have a lower tariff on UK specific good, because communism.
>UK leaving the EU means they can have a fucking tiny UK-Indian Tariff for a specific good type.

The EU is saying "No we keep the 150% tariff because it's unfair to negotiate tariff's per country"

UK has specific goods the world wants over, and it would be better to trade personally than with a EU trading block that literally would never be in favor of providing a good tariff for the UK anyway.

>>54536998
Careful now, he'll use the banana example that the great Boris Johnson used before him.

>>54536998
Well Chaudry was able to avoid jailtime for like 8 years by appealing to the EU courts on Human rights processes.

>>54537007
Point at him! Point at him and laugh!

>UK has specific goods the world wants over
Like? I'm genuinely curios

>>54536985
>An informed vote is only informed when it agrees with me
Not even British, but come on man. You can accuse the Brexit camp of making false promises (where's that NHS money, Boris?) but the populace wasn't exactly the victim of censorship of the facts.

And then there's the fact that the referendum wasn't even binding because Britain is the only industrialized Western country that doesn't acknowledge popular sovereignity, yet the government went through with it because they knew doing anything else would be political suicide.

>>54537007
>EU does not allow India to have a lower tariff on UK specific good, because communism.
Retard, tariffs are decided unilaterally by the country or the trade bloc which levy them. If India has a 150% tariff on brit whisky it won't change by being out. Do you even know what a tariff is you fucking dunce ?

>>54536998
Because instead of needing to have an ENTIRE EU TRADE AGREEMENT the UK can sign it's own individual agreement.

You do realise that's why it's taken like 5 years for a Japan-EU trade deal right?

the agreement needs to go through EVERY EU STATE and needs to be calculated to profit EVERY SINGLE STATE before it's approved.

>>54537048
A-are you fucking retarded? I've been giving examples all fucking thread.

>>54537030

The European Court of Human Rights is not an EU agency.

>>54537055
.... Did you not read your own fucking sentence?

India agreed to a 150% Tariff to the EU.

They'll want a lower Whisky tariff with the UK though.

Seriously, fucking communists.

>>54537062
>A-are you fucking retarded? I've been giving examples all fucking thread.
>Posts as anon
??????? How should I know which posts are yours tard-kun?

Are you the whisky one? are you planning of funding the UK exporting whisky?

>>54537062
>You do realise that's why it's taken like 5 years for a Japan-EU trade deal right?
Most trade deals take years to be signed, even between individual countries.

>>54536657
Because we're a small, weak, insecure, ignorant, delusional and tremendously bitter country that just wants to cause one last unnecessary devastating famine, even if we have to inflict it on ourselves.

>"UK will prosper by exporting Whiskey!"
>meanwhile Scotland voted to remain in the EU and is now seriously contemplating leaving the UK

You can't make this shit up.

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>>54537130
>Scotland
>Leaving
>Ever
William Wallace got castrated for a people too cowardly to claim liberty when it's offered to them on a silver platter. Scots? More like Scucks.

>>54537085
You are a total retard. Like, full unadultered retard. If india has a 150% tariff on whisky it won't change if the whisky is from the UK in or out of the union. Because ultimately it is India's unilateral decision to put a tariff on whisky.

>>54536657
Because a cartoon frog told me to.

>>54537168
So now you're resorting to petty insults and not knowing what a fucking agreement is.

If India wants cheaper Whisky from the UK, it'll have lower tariffs.

>>54537130
>Support for a second referendum dropping faster than a Glaswegian in a brothel.
>B-But INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND

The only people who want that are autistic gender studies people following the little gremlin in power.

>>54537168
>>54537085
>yfw the EU is negotiating a lowered tariff for spirits exports to India
>yfw due to the brexit the French and the Irish will be able to sell their spirits with low tariffs
>yfw the brits will still have a 150% tariff on it

>>54537142
>William Wallace
>Lapdog of the French

How to spot the Plastic Highlander.

>>54537232
>Low Tariffs to india
>Scotch is the only thing they even want

Again, you don't understand Luxury goods, They don't want Irish Whisky, they don't want wine, they want scotch.

Just like slapping the Bentley logo on a Volkswagen doesn't make it a Bentley.

Quality goods cannot be replaced by Quantity goods.

>>54537265
>they want scotch
That's probably why they are lowering the tariffs for high quality wine but not scotch right ?

See, either you're on a scam or you are a troll there. Because so far everything you said was wrong.

>>54537130
There is no country on Earth that matches Britain for self-delusion.

>>54537265
>They don't want Irish Whisky, they don't want wine, they want scotch.
What makes you so certain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_but_significant_and_non-transitory_increase_in_price

Assuming that for some reason whiskey really is significantly more popular than whisky in India, there is a tipping point where whisky, if cheap enough, will overtake the demand for whiskey. There are no "give me Scotch or give me death" consumers.

>>54537265
Since when did scotch became the be all end all of the high class booze scene?
Or is India REALLY into scotch?

>>54537343
Because that all hinges on India for some reason already not wanting to lower the Tariff with the UK.

Your delusion is fucking fantastic.

>>54537356
If you're British you really wouldn't understand it because you can probably buy Old Grouse behind the counter easily, but it's literally like fucking mana from heaven in India, China and even places like New Zealand.

But yeah, India is REALLY into Scotch and well, many UK and Irish Drinks, though like I said, they seem to prefer Scotch to Irish Whiskey.

>>54534307
Brexit Lite - half the fat, one third the calories.

>>54534307
One is an empty buzzword created to give the plebs unwarranted confidence that they're clueless leaders have a plan, and so is the other one.

What if the indians want something in return for lower their tarrifs on british goods? Maybe they want to make it easier for indians to travel to the UK?

Crazy scenario, I know.

>>54537328
Seems more like it's Germans and EUphiles.

>Ireland trades 90% of it's exports to the UK
>Germany wants to not only fuck us over on exports, but also recently fucked over dublin to make sure we can't get any fallout if London does fuck itself up.

I honestly want an Eirexit. we've become lapdogs of the Germans just as we were under the British now.

>>54537458
Pretty sure the point of Low Indian tariffs is that they get the Whisky out of that agreement.

High tariffs High demand means it's expensive for India to get the stuff they want.

>>54537458
Nope, they will just want lower tariffs for their own goods, which will put a good part of UK's manufactory sector out of business.

>>54537477
Yeah, I feel for the Irish. No matter what they do, they're fucked. Still pretty pathetic that a supposedly "independent" nation is so dependent on its former master, it's willing to fight tooth and nail for it

>>54537142

If you were actually scottish you'd know that Robert the Bruce was the man, not that bandit ass hat. Confirmed for Yank who thinks that Mel Gibson movie was historically accurate.

>>54537477

How are the Germans trying to stop Irish exports?

>>54537477
>>Ireland trades 90% of it's exports to the UK

Now that's just ridiculous, I would be honestly surprised if they exported more than 20% to the uk even.

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>>54536748
>remainers believe this
kek, its more like
>can we have the cake we payed for?
>no, you only get the same amount as people who paid nothing. Also we decided how to split all the cake from now on

>>54537477
>Pretty sure the point of Low Indian tariffs is that they get the Whisky out of that agreement
Nigger if indians want lower tariffs on whisky they don't need Britain to be out of the EU.

>>54537571

poor little britain bullied by big bad evil germany

let's hope the chinese and indians will be more benevolent, in this century and the next

>>54537599
>implying that Germany are the evils ones
m8, the bureaucracy of the EU is a fucking cancer on every one. Germany just has the most power, because she pays the most in.
we are also not joined by the hip to India and china, where as currently we are bound to the EU.
we all want a good trade deal friendo.

>>54537654

wow what a cancer.

40,000 people employed in the EU bureacracy, in a union with only 500 million people

>>54536610
London is already a massive channel to tax havens. That threat is empty because it is already the case

>>54537654

How about this trade deal right here: Free movement of people, goods, services and capital within the European Union?

Oh no, I forgot you rejected that in favour of something "better".

>>54537654
>India pls give good deal for whisky. You owe us good deal Indya. We're whiky friends remember Indya so deal now. If you dont give good deal you cant come to birmingham 4 whisspy inda. Deal now pls or whsiky gone for good. America will be angry if you don't giv good deal. Gib good deal now Inda or we won't have any more Pakis. India pls.
>China pls give good deal for whisky.

>>54534674
> slav made
> good quality
Choose one and only one

>>54534901
> morning bell
> a call to prayer is heard
Seriously, that anon from a few months ago fucking killed me with that one

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I miss when europeans just made honest wars with each other instead of shtiposting on chinese boards.

Just posting to say Brexit is fucking retarded and so is anyone who supports the idea
Also this thread is shit and has almost zero to do with /tg/

>>54537142
this
>>54537233
>>54537536

Now give us your address so we can slice your mouth up with a pruning knife. You fucking fat gay cunt fake ass shit nigger

Fuck the EU, Europeans have always despised us and would happily kill us all if given the chance

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>>54538501
>It's another "Brits think they're not European" episode
London's demographics still don't influence your geography, mate.

>>54538055
I miss when America was just a big almost empty continent

>>54538525
Europe is not a geographic entity but a political one.

>>54538557
Kek
Europe is everything between Portugal and the Urals mate

>>54538525
Implying London shouldn't be gassed

>>54538586
Geographically. Not politically

>>54535972
Maybe us burgers want to start eating the European pie starting with the "United" Kingdom.

>>54538613
That's what I meant
Also Europe!=The European Union
Europe=geographical entity
EU=political entity

How can brits be so stupid? The UK has nothing to sell that the EU can't do better and/or cheaper. It's a rich country only because of the language and of all the financial loopholes that you get when you're half out and half in the biggest global trade group

>>54538614
Who else is up for " America 2: Electric Boogaloo"?

>>54538586
The Urals form no border.
Europe is just more Asia.

>>54538703
>big ass mountains are not a border
They're not a political one, but they separate Europe from Asia

>>54538736
They don't geographically separate anything though. You can easily pass from Europe to Asia by just going south of them.

>>54538857
You can pass almost all rivers and mountains but they're still borders

>>54534654
Except the big banks have already begun to move away from London and the UK in general. give it one or two years and every big bank that had their head office in London will be in Luxembourg instead.

>>54538947
They're natural borders, there is not natural border between Europe and Asia. You can walk from Kazakhstan right into Europe. There's no distinction there.

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>>54539032

>>54539053
Yeah, notice how they don't extend all the way down to the Caspian sea? Europe is not distinct from Asia except as a political and ethnic bloc.

>>54536681
We can buy bread and grain and wine far cheaper from africa than we can while we're in a trading block with France. EU subsidies fund French farming by buying all their god aweful shit and throwing it into landfills.

>>54536336
>Poles
>white

Please, I can't stop laughing

>>54539170
Notice how there also wasn't a clear border between Africa and Asia until the Suez Canal, which is manmade. Also note there's no real natural barrier between North and South America. Geography is inherrently arbitrary, mate.

>>54539208
>We can buy bread and grain and wine far cheaper from africa
Uh-huh, yeah... except without pesticides, with incredibly shitty farming techniques, on low quality soil and from regions subject to starvation and civil disorder. So keep up that le shitty French food maymay and go buy African, see how that works out when a country of 66 million is dependent on the most unstable asscrack of the planet.

>>54534275
UK could become a zombie plagued dystopian hell hole and GW would do nothing to lower it's prices, instead they would release even beefier marines and stormcasts

>>54534415
the Brititsh government is going against British interest as well, but they're still going to brexit either way.

>>54535749
Because it's the current year. I mean come on.

>thinking countries ought to be beholden to transgovernmental bureaucracies because of "better trade deals"

Gee golly, wouldn't the trade deals just be so great if we just had a one world government!?

>>54537118

How can such a sad, pathetic, self-loathing cuck also be such a massive fear monger?

>>54539698
>UK could become a zombie plagued dystopian hell hole and GW would do nothing to lower it's prices, instead they would release even beefier marines and stormcasts

>implying it isn't already a dystopian hellhole

>>54539170

Except "contiguous landmass" isn't the definition of a continent. The historical, political, and cultural aspects are extremely relevant.

>>54540480
>w-we'll be fine lads, just need these remoaner cucks to shut up and stop talking down the country! R-right?
Brexit: the choice of spackers across the UK

>>54540646
>The historical, political, and cultural aspects are extremely relevant.

Then the UK doesn't need to be part of Europe.

>>54540991
>w-we are unique g-guys, but a different kind of unique than the other European c-countries

>>54537130
If Scotland leaves they're taking Labour with them, so I really can't see that as a bad thing.

>>54541230
>>w-we are unique g-guys

We are if we want to be.
That's the whole point.
If Europe isn't Asia, then Britain doesn't need to be Europe.

>>54541307
Labour is dead in Scotland.
There are more Conservative MPs than Labour.

>>54541339
But Britain is Europe, like Italy, Germany, Belgium and even Poland. They have a common history, being on an island doesn't make you special

Btw, Europe is a part of the continent called Eurasia

>>54541418
>But Britain is Europe, like Italy, Germany, Belgium and even Poland. They have a common history

We have common History with pretty much the entire world. Europe has never been a self contained system.

>Btw, Europe is a part of the continent called Eurasia

Which would make us Eurasian, but not European if we don't want.

>>54541463
Yeah, because culturally Germany and England are just like England and Japan, right?

Which makes us Europeans, and then Eurasians, Earthlings, Sol inhabitants and so on. Eurasia doesn't really exist though, at least not culturally, so it's split in Europe and Asia

>>54541307
this
>>54541353
fucking stupid cunt

>>54541532
>Yeah, because culturally Germany and England are just like England and Japan, right?

England and Australia, England and America, England and Canada, England and New Zealand. England is probably more like all these than Germany.

We're distinct geographically, and culturally. If we don't want to be European what's stopping us?

>>54541617
Kek, they are culturally European because they are all former colonies. It doesn't make Britain less European

>>54534275
Hard Brexit or Cucked Brexit.

What will happen is Theresa May will carry on paying into the EU.

>>54541418
>common history
you mean constant war for hundreds of years.
We've only really been a happy friendly club since the late 70's.

>>54541671
That's still common history, even if we hated each other guts

>>54541644
It does if we don't want to be.
Europe exists only in our minds.
There's no actual physical divide from Asia.
There's a cultural divide, but that exists between Britain and other European countries as well.

>>54534415
I still think leaving was a mistake.

We were doing a damn good job of mucking the whole thing up, now we can only watch as Germany takes over the continent.

>>54541705
Well, I see we are entering head canon material here man. You can believe whatever you want for what it matters, just try not being a sperg too much on /tg/

>>54541755
>Well, I see we are entering head canon material here man.

Europe is the headcanon.
It's just a vague collective belief and if Britain wants to exclude itself it can.

>>54541739
it's all right, we know a good way off Dunkirk beach this time.

The UK will be fine. The members of their less laws more trade bloc within the EU not so much

>>54541793
Sure man, whatever you want

>>54541837
Not an argument, but not a concession, so what are you doing?

>>54541891
There is nothing more boring than arguing with a fanatic about the object of his fanatism. If you want to believe that Europe doesn't exist, go ahead. The majority of people on Earth, fortunately, can distinguish between Europe, Asia, Africa and all the other continents

>>54541939
>There is nothing more boring than arguing with a fanatic about the object of his fanatism.

Hardly a fanatic. I'm just pointing out the flaws of your logic.

>If you want to believe that Europe doesn't exist, go ahead.

It exists, but only as a vague concept and not as a feature of geography.

If Britain doesn't want to be part of it it doesn't have to be.

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>>54536985
There was a lack of information, but it wasn't on the Leave side.

>>54541654
>Hard Brexit or Cucked Brexit.

Cucks dead, anon. It's like newfag or writing in l33t. Time to move on.

>>54542030
>a few idiots on twitter got tricked
>LEL ALL PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ARE SUB-60 IQ RETARDS XD

>>54542077
Anon, if it wasn't a great point he wouldn't have saved it in his Arguments folder. You don't keep prepared evidence unless you're a pretty high level debater who's posted in a lot of threads. But by all means, keep saying shit. Don't blame me when he whips out his logical fallacy infographics.

>>54541418
>They have a common history
Europoor here, our common history with other nations of the old continent consists mostly of waging wars with them, oppressing them or being oppressed by them. There's plenty to work with, really.

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>>54542077

My biggest argument for the European Union is that the last century has proven if Europe has a hot war, the rest of the world will follow behind it.

>>54542307
>My biggest argument for the EU is NATO
Yeah....nah

>>54542307
Europe is spent.
Amerca would just pick a side and squash the other.

>>54536737
I understood statistics, have an MA and am below 30. I voted to leave on the issues that the EU is an awful organisation that is running most of Europe into the ground economically and politically and to protect British sovereignty going ahead into the future.

>>54537554
You'd be surprised.

>>54538966
No, they haven't. A few banks are setting up small offices overseas like they have in New York, Hong Kong, etc.

Why are EU supporters such rampant nationalists?

>>54542307
Please, the European Union is a shrinking, rapidly socialist cluster fuck that's going to break out into civil war or collapse into an overegulated mess within 50 years. No one takes it seriously.

I think the current political situation is just proof that we made the right call voting to leave; it shows how utterly inept our political classes have become as their powers were slowly co-opted by Brussels. Now we have a chance to reverse the rot and force them to improve through this situation.

So far the only argument I've seen for the EU side is that 'They're going to deliberately make shit hell for you for daring to leave' and 'We're shit so we better stay'.

Not really convincing. Hell, if people were spouting that shit in my country, people would be sickened. Brits have no confidence in themselves or their ability to survive like 95% of the nations on this planet.

>>54535945
Are you high? Literally never happened, doubt shes even postponed a bill. baka.

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>>54542462
U wot m8?

>>54542526
You didn't see a lot of arguments then.
Most of them are: "Why are we leaving the biggest trading group in the world without a plan? Where are the NHS money? What do you mean big banks are leaving us?"

>>54535931
>forcing her for the first time in a very long period to have a coalition government rather than a one party government
Yeah, the distant past of 2015. When there actually was a coalition rather one party government with a confidence and supply agreement.

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>>54534307
British Politicians are trying hard as fuck to make sure their ties to the EU stay intact, about half the country is pissed.

Just another glorious political scenario in britcuck land desu, hope they have fun getting arrested for posting memes on 4chan. Just vme posting pic related has probably gotten 10 britbongs arrested for crime thought / hate speech.

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Sure are a lot of people with no fucking clue what they're talking about in this thread.

>>54539593
bet youre some brown eyed american whos never seen a northern european in his life. gtfo. id rather a bunch of pols than pajeets.

>>54542526
Pretty much.
The only reason the Eu won't try to make a deal is because they known if they do others will be eager to leave and get the same.
They've got to try and make people afraid to leave rather than simply not want to leave.

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>>54542583
Actually most of the arguments come down to
>What do you mean you don't like neoliberalism?
>The GDP is the sole measurement by which a country's well being is measured!
>How can you complain about increased crime and class tensions when you can just buy more cheap shit?
>So what if most of the migrants are males over 20 and not actually from Syria and they get new homes and welfare that could pay for native British homeless, what are you racist?
I mean ffs even comrade Corbyn is shilling for neoliberalism , only recently has he called the exploitation of labor by the EU something "bad".

>>54534275
Other UK imports will be cheeper. Games Workshop will raise prices anyway.

>>54537130
Hahaha, maybe at first it seemed that way but the SNP just lost a huge amount of seats. Were brothers and were in this together.

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>>54542684
I know they're dirty foreigners and all that, but I really can't bring myself to hate Indians after seeing this.

>>54542780
Little known fact, pajeets actually fucking hate Jews. It's kind of an unspoken rule in Mumbai that any Jewish politician or anyone who works with jews who gets too much power gets assassinated. I mean then again pretty much anyone gets assassinated in India eventually lol

>>54542462
It's ye olde "perfidious Albion" meme resurfacing.
All Europeans like banter, but without the typical Anglo humor "banter" is just yelling insults really loud.

T. another bitter continental.

>>54542657
Enlighten us political master.

>>54542780
Tbh don't know why I said Pajeets, actually quite like most of em. But I think you know what I mean when I said I prefer poles over XYZ.

>>54538670
>>54540416
>>54541339

A one world government is what this planet needs. If you faggots from the UK don't accept that, you're going to look mighty silly a hundred years down tge line when history fucking judges you. In the wrong.

>>54543073
>A one world government is what this planet needs.

Sounds horrible.

>>54536701
No, anon, let him be wrong. He clearly chose that as his religion.

>>54541798
>believing Britain has enough patriotic duty left in her to ever pull off another Miracle

You can't even win at Football, a game you invented.

>>54543644
We'll have Allah on our side soon, so who knows?

>>54535991
>It's all smoke and Mirrors at the end of the day, because BMW are still building more British Auto-plants.

But with a Hard Brexit those plants become useless, because of export/import rules. If you're going to apply tarriffs, for example, do you apply them to the finished product that this multinational is building in your country? OK, but... then they'll just finish it somewhere else to avoid the tariff. Same factory, different focus, and all you get is the money they pay the workers (which is after all, tax aside, new money to your economy), while they get the same cars at the same price - finished in a country that doesn't apply those tariffs to raise funds for its crippled-ass exchequer because it can't, because it's actually inside the Eurozone and doesn't fucking need to.

Apply it to components... they'll shut down and go. Sites have value in a country desperate for new housing because every cunt wants to live in a £300k bungalow with no possibility of losing its value; the machinery and any actually valuable employees can be shipped.

>>54536035
Because they don't believe Brexit is going to happen. Nobody does. Even those in Cabinet are having trouble believing they can do it; it's political suicide. You have to remember, they're in a minority government, supported by religious fanatics, convinced their voter base are desperate to leave the EU on a narrow margin from an advisory referendum. Nobody sane would leave, having seen the damage it's already done; the party that can't live up to that promise isn't just going to the wilderness for a few years in opposition: it's going to the wall. Possibly literally, some people seem *very* angry that we're a year in an there's still the possibility of someone who wasn't born in the Home Counties turning up serving at the checkout. Some of these nuts already killed for their crazy beliefs.

But you can't ever please a fanatic; and the fanatics in government are isolated, and the PM is useless and everybody is briefing against each other because literally fifty of them believe they could be leader one day soon. Some know it's their last chance, others know the old bitch just has to hang in a few more years. But nothing is getting done on the UK side, and they'll sleepwalk into a soft Brexit because it's not in the EU's interest to have a ruined economy next door now any more than it was in the 1990s after the Cold War ended, so long as the Tories are seen to be punished for their arrogance. And they will be. If they don't turn it around in the next few months, they'll probably never see government again, except in coalition. But then you have Corbyn, who's also insane about the virtues of Hard, and needs to be kept in the wilderness until that's impossible.

If it happens... BMW will leave if they have to. That's all. The banks are probably already gone, just waiting to announce it.

>>54536081
In 2012 BMW reported 301,526 new Mini sales worldwide; the UK registered 2.47 million new vehicles that year, of which ~80% were cars. You're seriously claiming that more than 15% - 1 in 6 - new vehicles that year were Minis? Get a fucking grip, anon. DVLA data suggests that at best - across all Mini makes being manufactured in 2012 - 10% would have been registered in the UK. And that's just Mini; there's plenty of other shit BMW can do with those same assembly lines, all for export. Finished cars in one factory haven't been a thing for decades.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0135988EN/bmw-group-posts-highest-sales-ever-in-2012#
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-licensing-statistics-2012
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/

If you're going to chat shit, fine, but let's not pretend you didn't when it's time to get banged, yeah? Because you are. That is what Brexit is. Nobody - nobody - is saying it's going to be easy with any kind of sincerity, least of all your Russian-paid friends in UKIP.

>>54545791
>UKIP are Russian shills!!!
Do remain fags have their own version of Alex Jones yet because there sure looks like a market for it? I mean your entire argument is that the UK is overall a service based economy meanwhile the entire point of the Brexit vote was partially to show the willingness of the UK to convert the economy into a more industrial based economy which exerts national interests outside of the European Union.

The current neo-liberal policy of using quasi slave labor in China and 3rd countries kind of upsets that but hey nothing is perfect.

>>54545777
>Brexit will lead to a ruined economy a priori
No
>The banks are leaving
No, they have no reason to leave in favor of a collapsing EU structure

>>54545762
>They will just move somewhere else to make the product cheaper
Yeah because previously created infrastructure counts for nothing lol

>>54546379
Brit infrastructure is laughtable. Their high speed rail is slower than a german or french regional train and it covers not even a quarter of the country.

>>54546335
>I mean your entire argument is that the UK is overall a service based economy meanwhile the entire point of the Brexit vote was partially to show the willingness of the UK to convert the economy into a more industrial based economy
Good thing that so far Brexit is crashing the UK's manufacturing sector then

>>54546354
The EU is in a better state politically than the UK so far.

>>54547941
>Good thing that so far Brexit is crashing the UK's manufacturing sector then

They have one of those?

>>54548008
Not for long at that pace.

Funny thing, brits have entirely neglected their foreign service since they are in the EU because a large part of the exterior EU diplomacy was handled by the french and the germans. It won't be easy to negociate new trade deals when they are out of the ones negociated by the EU.

>>54543073
You're right, a global state is the way to go.

Just not the one that's currently shaping up from the efforts of leftist shitcunts.

>>54548130
Turns out leftists are way better at it than righties.

>>54534275
Yes, because the pound is going to drop like a lead balloon. But I would still imagine there will be tariffs on their products. It's not going to be a Zero tariff trade deal on everything

>>54534331
Yep, because on the ballot it specifically said leave the single market.

It was right there in black and white.

>>54548187
Trade deals take years to be drafted, and neither the UK nor the US are politically able to do so until the UK got a true majority on the parliament.

>>54547850
Yeah because of the economic policies of neo-liberals failing under the weight of heavy bureaucracy trying to force their idealogies to be correct

>>54547941
Good thing that isn't actually true

>>54547941
>Brexit is crashing the UK's manufacturing sector then
>Brexit is

Hmm...
>The steel industry says it has been hit by a combination of factors: high UK energy prices, the extra cost of climate change policies, and competition from China - there have been allegations that Chinese steel is being sold in the UK at unrealistically low prices.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/34581945

This really makes you think , huh? It's almost like neoliberalism is what created the problem in the first place and Brexit has just showed to stock holders that the system is going fail...

>>54548358
Remember the manufactoring sector that was supposed to be the healthiest ever and boosted by the weak pound ? ONS revealed it declined again last quarter.

>>54548397
Did you just not even read why it was down this quarter and blame it on Brexit a priori?

>>54548443
Low consumer demand, low investments.

>>54548454

>1. Main points
>UK gross domestic product (GDP) in volume terms was estimated to have increased by 0.2% between Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2016 and Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2017.
>UK GDP growth in Quarter 1 2017 has been revised down by 0.1 percentage points from the preliminary estimate published on 28 April 2017; mainly due to broad-based downward revisions within the services sector.
>UK GDP growth slowed to 0.2% in Quarter 1 2017 as consumer facing industries such as retail and accommodation fell and household spending slowed. This was partly due to rising prices. Construction and manufacturing also showed little growth, while business services & finance continued to grow strongly.
GDP in current prices increased by 0.7% between Quarter 4 2016 and Quarter 1 2017.
>GDP per head in volume terms was flat between Quarter 4 2016 and Quarter 1 2017
In other words Brexit has had little affect on the economy at all

Because it hasn't even happened yet you twit

>>54542030
All I'm seeing is voter fraud.

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>>54534275
I cant believe I missed this thread

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Man, I have seen some contentious threads in my time but holy shit you guys

I'm a little surprised that this sort of vitriol is on /tg/

>>54534750
>Having been in both London and Paris, London's infrastructure is decayed and decades behind Paris

Haha what ? I've visited both too and while both are now multicultural shitholes, London is way better than Paris

>>54549015
It all sounds very far away and unimportant, though.
It's weird.

That's what you get for believing yourselves such special snowflakes britbongs. And stop invading our beaches.

t. Spain.

>>54549128
You're sort of asking for it when half your populace is sexy men in flouncy white shirts with rapiers.

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>>54534685
>>54534750
>>54549021
Let's get into the facts here.
1. A city being a "multicultural shithole" has zero effect on its infrastructure. Otherwise the best infrastructure in the world would be in fucking Sovakia.
2. London's infrastructure is better than Paris'. Slightly.

http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html#Anchor-The-23240

London ranks 6th and Paris 12th, but if you count all the tied cities as one spot then Paris is only 3 spots below London ("actually" making it 9th). London's is still better for now, but it's not like Paris' infrastructure is so horrible that it would drive away companies and banks trying to jump shit after Brexit.

As for public transport (another point the first anon named), Paris ranks above London with 100% of its population living within 1 km of public transportation means (as opposed to London's 91%). [http://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/ground-transportation/best-cities-for-public-transportation].

As for the "shitty skyline", what does that even mean? If you mean there is no available space, I'd like to point out that La Défense is the single largest business district in Europe. If you mean in terms of aesthetics, I *personally* prefer Paris' skyscraper ghetto over the jambled mess of London where the infamous glass dildo is within walking distance of Buckingham. Tour Montparnasse can get fucked though.

In short, perhaps Macron will fail to bring over finance from London, but neither infrastructure nor public transportation nor skyline will be the reason for that. It will probably have more to do with how much he can win their trust after the horror of "finance is my enemy" Hollande. But he's the favored child of the mainstream media, so he might actually succeed.

>>54549288
>Tour Montparnasse can get fucked though.
Amen

>>54542780
>Preferring pajeets over based white Poles.

Neck yourself cunt. I would gladly have a Pole in my house than you stinky pajeet loving fuck.
#maga

>>54542657

welcome to 4chan

>>54549696
>preferring slavshit over intelligent people with good english just because they're brown
MAGAscum proving their lack of intelligence again

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>>54549836
>Even anti-immigration Brits want even more pakis
Britain is fucked, and not because of the EU.

>>54549858
stay mad frogposter, I grew up with a paki best friend with zero problems
you can keep blaming everyone of a different skin tone or religion for everything wrong in the world if you like, but we'll still be here when you grow up

>>54534654
Fucking this

>>54542657
Don't worry too much, the politicians have no idea what they are doing either.

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>>54542824
We'd be happy to export some sarcasm, but apparently there's going to be tariffs on that now.

We have such a surplus from bitching about all the incompetent politicians it's getting downright acerbic over here. I started off wanting to stay so as not to tell all our allies to fuck off after the US decided to go full retard, now I just want the whole bloody thing to be over so everyone can stop panicking about it all. If anything that's hurting the economy more than either staying or leaving outright as far as I can tell, although I have very little expertise there.

Oddly, my desire for a strong pound is entirely so I can buy my chinaman Mechanicum for less, since they charge in dollars.

>>54551441
Yeah, that's what's harming Britain more than the actual Brexit in my opinion: the fact that the politicians are screwing it up so much. Handled competently the damage could've been controlled and Britain could come out of it relatively unscathed.

>>54551586
Of course, if we'd had a competent government we wouldn't have had a referendum in the first place, or taken a glorified opinion poll as a mandate to fuck everything up

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>>54551604
>Wanting a democratic mandate is bad
The referendum isn't the big problem, if the British people wants out it wants out. How everything was handled after that is another thing. From initiating Article 50 prematurely to being utterly unprepared for EU negotiations and simply expecting them to offer Britain the best deal, to premature elections that actually weakened the government party and demonstrated to everyone (including Brussels) that May doesn't have the backing of her electorate.

>>54552153
A referendum is a bad way to get a democratic mandate in a parliamentary democracy, which is by its nature mandated to carry out "the will of the people" every few years or so.

That's why they call it "representative democracy". You have a vote; the person you vote for represents your interests, not your whims as in a referendum.

>>54546335
Farage literally works for Russian state broadcaster RT.

He's left UKIP now, and so has their financial backing. Funny how that works.

>willingness of the UK to convert the economy into a more industrial based economy

People don't even want HS2 *conceptually* because it's change. There's no willingness to revert to heavy industry.

>>54546379
They can recoup those costs through, if necessary, financial incentives from the EU. Most of it they'd get back selling on the infrastructure to, oh, let's say the Phoenix Five. See how that works? They've got their money, the business is gone. Just like Rover.

And the other guy is right about infrastructure. We don't even do rail freight properly, and seven years of austerity has really fucked our roads.

>>54546354
>No, they have no reason to leave in favor of a collapsing EU structure

>the EU is collapsing a priori

The EU is not collapsing; this was the lie that Brexit was sold on - "we must get out before it collapses".

Still there, now unified against a common threat in a way that it previously wasn't. Nothing like a shouty arsehole to focus the group.

>they have no reason to leave

Look, that bank in your high street? That's a cash bank. It doesn't deal with a lot of book money - a few mortgages, business loans, but increasingly those are part of central infrastructure anyway (because branches are harder to police for corruption than a central infra). They'll always exist - maybe not as much more than advanced cash machines managed from regional hubs - but the book money banking that actually accounts for the bulk of the UK sector *is* leaving. Over 10,000 banking -not custodial - jobs in the City have already gone. More are going. These are high earners; without them, even leaving aside the question of bonuses and where they actually spend them, you're losing a lot of tax take instantly. So long shitty roads, hello East Anglia rolled out nationally.

You're already poorer, you just don't see it yet.

>>54555551
>Farage literally works for Russian state broadcaster RT.
No he was offered a show from RT he is not le Russian shill. Man the amount of tinfoil you liberals are going through, im afraid we might have a shortage soon.
>They can recoup the costs
After decades of cutting through red tape via political bureaucracy and the cost in itself, moving a firm to another location costs more than you think
>The EU is not collapsing a prior despite the rise of the euroskeptics and the failure of the EU's neo-liberal policies of exploiting 3rd world labor via the migrants crisis where they used Syrian refugees as a pretense for wider migration into Europe
Yeah right buddy, all the EU's policies have done is lead to intensified ethnic and class tensions while burdening the welfare systems of Europe that were already in bad shape to begin with.
>In the city
See that's where I don't care, 40% of the City (London I can only presume) needs to be shipped back to Africa and restore their own ethnic homeworlds into something worth a damn instead of coming here and making everything shit here too. Also hate to break it to you but 10,000 jobs is almost nothing in the grand scheme of things.

>>54555551
>You're already poorer, you just don't see it yet.
Hahaha yeah unlike you ya twat I don't care about money especially when the taxes that go to pay the shit tier infrastructure of this place come from the exploitation of labor