/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>54493318
It's not how long I did it so much as it is how long I did it compared to how long I normally can.

>>54493339

>Which spalt would have the biggest tits?
I mean I don't like the idea of it but you could probably stat out a pretty awful literal titty monster in Beast.

>>54493357
I don't even know how I'd do that

>>54493356
Keep it in the old thread, shitposter.

>ITT /xfag runs a little and gets a lucky guess

>>54493375
Why would hitting the bump limit be a reason to drop all previous conversations?

>>54493339
>Which spalt would have the biggest tits?
Mage. Life is a wonderful thing.

>>54493380
It was more than a little, and across the multiple different divination rituals I've done, I've gotten plenty of information I would have had no way of guessing.

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>>54493390
>not vampire

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>>54493312
>https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c5/f3/a5/c5f3a5f26c046050d1621699526ea338.jpg

Oh lordy the entire place is dotted with mines. I'm trying to imagine the different spirits that would hang around Ghost Towns after the mining operation dries up. Somehow I keep returning to the idea of the Hollow Hills. A Spirit that grew out of the evacuated earth. Could be something like a cave spirit but with a lingering tinge of greed or gold within its makeup.

>>54493384
it was never a relevant conversation to the thread or the board. Fuck off to your shithole, you easily manipulated fuck.

Is the /x/fag back? I thought he fucked off.

>>54493383
DO IT

Also remember silver is the bane of werewolfs. A silver mine would get their attention both in the past ans in the now. make sure they get some special attention during the write up. Silver spirit be mad mofos. mad and dangerous

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>>54493384
There's no reason for you to immediately transplant your shitposting (by literally repeating yourself ASAP) to the new thread unless you wanted to keep all the attention.

This wasn't fun. Fuck off and die. I hope you can use all that extra stamina to outrun the crushing weight of your shallow, meaningless existence.

>>54493399
You weren't complaining about it like this in the last thread though, and how am I easily manipulated?

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>>54493398
got you hear mate
>>54493412

>>54493415
We're already several posts into this thread. just drop it.
We were like 290 posts in by the time it was just people shitposting about /x/fag. I figured to just let it die.

>>54493394
The motto of Mage might as well be "Anything you can do, I can do better." Any Mage with Life can plump up their titties way bigger than any stick figure vampire.

>>54493434
How am I easily manipulated?

>>54493414
I'm not shitposting.

>>54493434
stop talking to it like it's people. or he wouldn't go away

>>54493459
Why do you hate me like this?

>>54493465
This place is made of hate! Don't let it get you down.

>>54493439
What would happen if an Archmage created the Platonic Ideal of tits?

>>54493477
There seems to be more for me than usual though.

>>54493398
Mine spirits make surprisingly good plot hooks. The entire point of a mine is that stuff is dug out of it and brought to the surface so the fucking thing would be constantly trying to evict the mineral spirits that have the poor luck to be near it and injuring the hill spirit it was dug into. Combine that with how dangerous old mines were to have a few ghosts floating around and mines make an interesting mess for the wanwans to clean up.

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>>54493412
If I remember correctly Lunar and Silver Spirits were apart of the same spirit brood. Lune spirits reflected the moons often violent mood swings. And the only reason Silver inflicts such a massive bane is because they still fucking hate the Forsaken for killing Luna's Bae(Father Wolf)

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>>54493439
>Doesn't post proof
lol

>>54493535
I'm going need to inspect the proof thoroughly before I make judgement

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>>54493505
I doubt that the lowly mineral spirits would have enough essence to actually be a threat to the ever growing Mine spirit. The Mine would eat everything around it, including such piss ant creatures. The original Hill Spirit I could simply be subsumed into the growing Mine Spirit depending on how much the Mine digs in and which has more impact on the environment.

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>Come to new thread
>Hope the shitposting an autism was gone
>/x/fag is back with his magical powers of having negative IQ yet still somehow living.
At least tumblranon fucked off by the looks of it. Unless he's /x/fag in disguise.

>>54493572
Why do you think I'm stupid?

So how would a mage go about making his waifu real? Calling up her astral counterpart and stuffing it into a homunculus body?

>>54493623
What dots would you need?

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>>54493608
>Not the same Anon bbbuuuuuttttttttt
Do you think I'm a clown?
Do I make you laugh?

>>54493623
Could just use Mind 3 to summon the Astral waifu and then just believe she's real. Why does she need a body?

Newbie here, should I go owod or cwod? Would appreciate if you wrote few sentences about the reason also
>read and decide for yourself
I am reading both of them, but I barely touched the sufrace and to be honest with you can't discern which one is more suitable for me

>>54493646
What do you mean?

Who's worse, /x/fag Or tumblranon?

>>54493672
>owod or cwod
these are the same thing. Classic World of Darkness and Old World of Darkness are the same thing.

If you mean New World of Darkness or the Chronicles of Darkness (nwod, cod). Go with Chronicles, just trust me. Everything makes more sense. As soon as you get best the silliness of the mythology which isn't all that important. Spirit Cops can be good. And Atlantis isn't really a thing.

>>54493672
Old WoD has a bit of a mess of a system, the splats outside of Vampire, Mage and Wraith / Orpheus are shit, and the Metaplot / overall 90sness of it is hit or miss.

New WoD / CofD has a better system and all of the splats (Barring Beast) have merits to them, but the newer stuff has been dipping in quality lately and the devs are getting more and more cringily hamfisted with their politics.

>>54493623
Mind 3, Life 5.
Or Life 4 if you're so messed up as to give your waifu a disgusting repurposed body.

>>54493667
Best of both worlds.

>>54493704
tumblranon by far. /x/fag is a retard but he's a retard that doesn't know any better and isn't being malicious by the look of it.
tumblranon takes a shit in your livingroom because he's a cunt, /x/fag does it because he has the downs.

>>54493728
>giving the world a pure soul and removing a thot
>messed up
haha ok

>>54493735
tumbler is oop why are you surprised they are here?

>>54493728
>taps head
She doesn't need a real body if you believe she has one and simulate all the tactile sensation with enforcing Mind spells and some Forces spells if you want her to act on the environment.

>>54493728
>>54493747
>>54493763
>Putting your pure 2d waifu in a disgusting 3d shell.
>3d women enforce The Lie.
>Anime was made by the Oracles

>>54493763
>beggaring your waifu of the divine form of humanity just so you can show off your use of the worst arcana
obrimos please go and stay go

>>54493781
I'm not even obrimos, I'm mastigos.
But really nice call out there fucking thyrsus

>>54493779
>not putting the pentaclefags waifus in meat prisons
>not serving the Exarchs
lol

Fuck, Geist and Deviant need to come out already.
Get your shit together OPP, I want to run them before my late 60s

>>54493816
This is nearly as autistic as the /x/fag.

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>>54493819
>Not joining the Exarchs for the canonical best girl.

>>54493838
books take at least two years. from the observed pattern. small staff. voluntary writers *shrug* production cycles are hell

>>54493711
>>54493723
Thanks,
May I ask how's the 20th edition version of owod? I think I like the owod setting more, albeit the mechanics and lore confusion between different books is annoying. Did 20th edition fixed those problems?

>>54493884
>20
>fixed
nope. just stacked all the confusion in one place. But I hear Wraith20 will be a god sent

>>54493912
It will arrive at the exact same time as the Second Coming, so technically yeah.

>>54493884
Vampire and Werewolf 20 are alright, Mage is a trashfire and should be avoided at all costs.

>>54493884
If by fixed you mean putting about 20 years of material into a 400 page book... No, the issues and problems that owod had are still present if not simply compiled between the same bindings. They've taken all the mechanics and lore confusion between two binders without consolidating anything between the splats. Abandon Hope.

Hi.

>>54493367
I can tell you which splat has the best dildo toilet rape.

>>54493884
Anon, if you're going to play oWoD. Run my dream game vicariously for me.
Play Wraith, follow some of the Metaplot (Just the splat specific stuff, doing all the MP is insane and will melt your brain.) run a kickass campaign of being dead.
Let the 6th Maelstrom happen, let Grandmother wake up, all that shit.
Run Orpheus. Advance the campaign, and eventually have your current dreamer PCs meet their Wraiths in the ruins of the Underworld.
Do the thing Anon, believe in the me that believes in you.

To be honest I liked all that camarilla and sabbat jazz in owod, I wish they had those in the new one.
>>54493933
>>54493935
>>54493912
I dont know, it seemed organized to me, do attribute my false assumption to my noobness.
>>54494029
Are you suggesting the lore is fucked up between the settings? Thats one reason I would rather focus on just one "species" vampires only etc.

>>54493933
>Mage is a trashfire
Does too much, and yet not enough. All the same problems as the previous editions just stuffed into a-fuck-ton of paper. And even with that fuck-ton-of-paper they spend so much time explaining the fucking global metaplot(which is a fucking problem in general to owod), and just not enough on the practical magic system. They give you just enough to make Martial Arts and Katana swinging subsections. As well as just the flowery prose, there's way too much of it. Especially for the amount of ground they wanted to cover.

>>54493549
>Jessica Nigri
The proof is fake, anon.

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>>54494112

Yet Satyrdouche still felt he had space to inject his culinary demands to M20 players.

>>54493623
Make your Lust a Goetic Familiar.

>>54494274
I did a double take. WTF I have no idea why this is essential reading. I have no idea why the Disparate Alliance was essential reading. I have no idea why the techies were essential reading(I like the Technocracy don't get me wrong, but really the book needed to focus more on practical magic of the Traditions). Actually the book needed to focus on the struggles of city willworkers not an encyclopedic understanding of the global meta.

>>54494274
As much as I think this sidebar is dumb, it always makes me hungry.

>>54493439
>wield unlimited power
>still insecure enough that you have to one-up everyone
It's sad, really

Also everyone knows Leviathans have the biggest boobzillas

>>54494070
There's still a Sabbat analogue in CofD, satanic covenant called Belial's Brood
They're not presented as as powerful as the Sabbat, but since CofD is a flexible toolkit, you can make them as important as you like in your political scene
The Invictus, Cartian Movement and Lancea Sanctum would probably ally against them (Camarilla equivalent) and the Circle of the Crone might swing either way, depending on the current situation, agendas, etc ... of both groups

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>>54495063
>>54494070
>retyping
If you want the Sabbat in your Chroicle you'll find that they have more in common with the Lancea Sanctum and the Circle of the Crone. Both of these Coven see the vampire as superior to humanity for different reasons. The Second Estate see their superior nature as Divinely Mandated. There are the terror in the night and celebrate their status. It is right that they inflict suffering and hunt the kin. The Circle see themselves as just apart of the Circle of Life(some Lion King sense, we eat the antlope while we are the king of the savanna). They are the apex predators of the world.

Belial's Brood on the other hand are sort of a phenomenon. They are terrible outliners of the vampire condition, inflicting harm malicious and chaos while maintaining a rational mind. Other vampires would succumb to the Beast becoming mindless, but not these fuckers. And they have the tenancy to just appear. One night a Kindred hears a call from their Beast, and they answer it. And some of their own answer it as well. And before long your city has a significant destructive cabal to deal with. It's enough to keep Kindred worried during the daysleep.

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>when you were initially really resistant to nWoD but slowly realized how much better it does certain things (hunter affiliations) plus the cool unique stuff it has (Prometheans, etc.)
>all of your interested friends are still stuck on oWoD
>mfw

>>54495355
This is what Enlightenment surrounded by silly people feels like.

>wraith kickstarter finishes in late 2014
>three years and several game lines have passed in the meantime
>white wolf as a company gets resurrected before wraith does
>CtD20 might get released before wraith does

This is Dansky's finest work, putting players into a sort of purgatory waiting for a never-to-be-released game about roleplaying in a sort of purgatory.

>>54494953
Fansplats need not apply.

>>54495459
Jesus has it been that long?

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>>54494282
Quark from Soul Cage approves.

>>54495502
t. magefag butthurt that he has to use magic to get ridonculous knockers while leviathans have natural ginormous breastu

>>54495541
What even are Leviathans?

>>54495301
I don't know the oWoD Sabbat very well, but one thing that I remembered was that they don't really give a shit about the Masquerade and will commit heinous crimes, enslave humans, etc ... with much less restraint than the Camarilla

The Lancea Sanctum and the Circle of the Crone are still pretty dedicated to protecting the Masquerade and while they're bloodthirsty monsters with questionable rituals, they still mostly follow the Traditions (or whatever those rules of vampire society are called)

I was linking Belial's Brood with the Sabbath more in that respect, but as you pointed out, they're not a covenant in its own right, they're a cabal (much like the Sabbat is in Camarilla controlled territory)
It's more likely that they have members embedded in all the covenants, either double agents wilfully planted there or just sick vampires who like to unwind a bit harder than their peers

>>54493439
could a mage make a boob so big that even he couldn't lift it?

>>54495656
She could just use Perfecting the Form.

>>54495459
>CtD20 might get released before wraith does

CtD20 DID get released before Wraith, technically.

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>>54495595
>I don't know the oWoD Sabbat very well, but one thing that I remembered was that they don't really give a shit about the Masquerade

Dissuade yourself of this misconception. The Sabbat do in fact care about the Masqurade. They just routinely break it in Camarilla controlled cities in order to destabilize them. A distracted and destabilized city is easier to take over.

You won't see Canada covered in bloody faced vampires on the nightly news because the Sabbat still hide their existence from humanity like the Camarila. But its less about hiding within humanity while pretending to be them, and more: DEARFUCKIONGGOD the whole of humanity would wipe them out if they discovered we existed. Or at least they find hiding their existence makes hunting easier.

>>54496122
So, since it looks like I've been misled from the start, what's the purpose of the Sabbath ? What's the fundamental difference with the Camarilla ?

>>54496246
>Sabbath

a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jews from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.

You mean the sabbat, go read the pastebin it'll have the guide to the sabbat. They mainly exist to counter the antediluvians, whom the Camerilla dont even think exist.

>>54493623
>So how would a mage go about making his waifu real?

So many ways. So. Many. Ways. My preferred method would be a spirit of true love, or some such. Spirit being the necessity here.

The absolute best method would be to have an Archmage create a waifu/husbando Template. Indeed, one of the mentioned Omens involves true love.

Mages must get bored of falling in love with Sleepers really fast considering all the magical options they have.

>>54496710
You can't help who you fall in love with.

Oh wait.
Yes you can.

>>54496710
I don't know. I honestly don't think any of the other splats would be nice to get with. For starters, they all come with messed up baggage and then you have to deal with things like supernatural rage and a soul parasite that wants to drain you of your blood. Best option would probably just be another Mage, and I say that because of practicality, really. Another Mage can share in your life fully, and isn't such an easy target for your enemies to go after.

>>54496791
No, I mean they have options to create their soul mates from a very big menu.

>>54496833
Ah. It would actually be pretty difficult, I think. Easiest option is to pull a Quark.

>>54496851
Difficult at earlier intervals, maybe. I'm talking about Life & Mind creating your ideal partner, using a Spirit of Love or just dabbling around in the Astral.

Or as >>54496694 have an Archmaster create an actual 'lover' Template.

Rewrite a person's mind into loving you as only a true soul mate can.

But it's essentially the same as R A P E

>>54493339
How do I get into WoD guys? I mean both lore and roleplay. Is is true that new WoD is trash not worth giving a fuck about, or is that an overstatement by nostalgiafags? Which editions, books etc. are best? Help a newfag out, please.

>>54496851
What the fuck is a Quark

>>54496886
That sounds morally even worse than rape
You're not just using the person like an object, you're making them into an object permanently

>>54496886
just like using make-up or being funny is basically R A P E

>>54496920
>That sounds morally even worse than rape

...Double rape?

>>54496922
You're a sick person. Definitely low Wisdom.

>>54496922
Anon, it's one thing to enhance your natural capacities with Magic.

It's another thing entirely to destroy who they are so they'll say yes when you ask to stick your dick in them.

Is the life of a Mage a happy one? Or are they constantly surrounded by paranoia and life threatening situations?

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>>54493339
A buddy of mine is going to play in a dark ages vampire 20 game and he decided to go with a vampire on the path of heaven of clan Ravnos whose weakness is protecting the weak/innocent.

So I told him that his character is probably going to get dusted pretty quickly but he wouldn't have it: now I am curious... what kind of situations would you throw at a vampire who is still doing Yahwe's work even in un-life?
Would you kill him on principle?

>>54496930
über-rape

What of new three Dark Eras (Gilgamesh, Arthurs Britain and Jazz Age) have the most potential?

>>54497060
>new

Where were these stated?

>>54496909
Mastigos mage in Dave's Soul Cage chronicle. As mentioned previously, he has his Lust as a familiar.

>>54497060
Arthurs Britain, because old man Merlin is quite an intriguing character even for an Archmage.

>>54496873
Or maybe the mage could lead the other splats into creating their own mage-focused waifu bloodlines/entitlements/whatever.

Any idea about the content of these z-axis abilities?

>>54497089
On the page of the kickstarter. You can vote for the era, but not for the splats
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/chronicles-of-darkness-dark-eras-2?lang=de

>>54497045
Ravnos = special snowflake, Kill him.

>>54497128
what splat besides mage would fit?

>>54497154
How is a Ravnos more of a special snowflake than a Malkavian or a Toreador?

>>54497171
Changeling of course, but Mage fits it far better.

>>54497172
>Chimerstry

bet he picked Ravnos for that, take chimerstry away from Ravnos and who would pick them really?

>>54497177
Chimersty isn't as good as celerity, dementate or thaumathurgy though.

Maybe I can get my buddy to pass his character sheet and we can tear him a new one though.

I asked him about his disciplines and he told me that he got himself Animalism 1, Chimerstry 1 and Fortitude 2 to start off with

>>54497175
t. mental midget

Changeling all the way for the Arthurian legend
I will personally firebomb OPP if they make it a mage era

>>54496999
The latter, with intermittent drug-like highs when they figure out a mystery.

Gotta get those arcane beats man, I'll cut back tomorrow. But come on, I just need one more then I can advance my Gnosis... Damn. Nobody will miss one more test subject, will they?

>>54497210
Arthurian Britain was brainstormed by Merlin, who was an Archmage.

It's entirely a Mage era. Changeling is second, I can agree on that.

So I'm a virgin to any world of darkness stuff. Only ever played the video game, read lore, and I'm currently half way through reading VtR 2e from the downloads here in the general.

I've never played it, just reading the book because I figured if I can't find a group to take me in due to my newbishness and awkward time table, I may as well ST my own game.

I'm mostly just wondring, after I finish reading 2e, what other material should I read from the generals MEGA download before doing my own game? I mean in direct relation to VtR only, not the other games.

In Mage the Awakening, how do you interrogate someone without Mind Arcana? I can't think of anything we couldn't do with jumpercables.

>>54497258
Mysterium in a nutshell. I think their book even mentions something like them having a preference for learning magic by experience (using Arcane XP instead of normal XP to purchase Arcana and Gnosis).
>>54497210
One poster on the OPP forums mentioned that at least he and one other person would be interested in expanding the Arthurian era with Mage. So if it gets chosen, we would hopefully get both Mage and Changeling. That would be the best combination, given the era we are talking about here.

>>54497306
My Merlin is a true Fae gone crazy

>>54497321
Prime: Words of Truth.

>>54497329
If they at least mix it, that might be ok, but Changeling comes first thematically

I'm also profoundly allergic to Mage and would hate for one of the best eras for Faes to be dedicated exclusively to mage wankery

>>54497332
The Lady of the Lake would make for a better True Fae, especially considering it's a title.

Merlin is canonically an Archmage who Ascended after he orchestrated Arthurian Britain.

>>54497358
>but Changeling comes first thematically

Except it doesn't. It's right behind Mage. It was too late to snag it as a setting, Mage got to it first.

>>54497358
Sorry no, the entirety of the Arthurian Legend was masterminded by a wickedly cunning Archmage.

They're not going to rewrite everything just to cater to Changeling.

>>54497365
>>54497375
>>54497380
Where does that info come from ?

>>54497358
Aren't all Eras in the new book shared?

>>54496920
Eh, if she likes that... From utilitarianistic point of view it's totally fine.

>>54497308
You probably don't need to read anything more, but if you want to flesh out the setting better, you could read the covenant books from 1e. Just ignore the old rules and get better feel of how do covenants act.

>>54497410
Dave?

>>54497410
Imperial Mysteries and DaveBs comments about Merlin, the archmage.

>>54497342
Oh that's neat. Thanks.

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>>54497410

Here, have a taste of Dave

>>54497426
>>54497428
For fuck's sake now I have to write my own
Fucking mage cunts ruining everything, I wish that gameline never existed in the first place

>>54497426

Don't rely on Dave anymore. Besides being virtually silent and behind on Mage and Deviant, he's not even developing the Mage / Deviant crossover chapter in DE2 despite being the actual developer for both lines.

>>54497449
Oh boo hoo. Cry me a river.

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>>54497449
Mages win again

>>54497449

>tears of Changeling fans

>Dark Eras 2 Supremacy

>>54497452
Get fucked
You already have most of the time and resources of OPP dedicated to your shit setting designed for your shit wish-fulfilment masturbatory fantasies and that's not enough, you have to pollute perfectly good games with your bullshit
Fuck you asshole, fuck OPP and fuck Dave Shithead-in-chief
Mage is nauseatingly bland and a game for retards who want their characters to be perfect untouchable snowflakes
God I wish you drown on your mountain dew you fucking prick

>>54497365
Another reason I want this to be a joint Mage/Changeling era. Besides, the fact that there are many real world versions of the tale -
different depictions of Arthur, different versions (and even numbers) of the Lady(ies) of the Lake and so on means, that this can be neatly connected to contradicting Ruins of Time Before *and* different Arcadian "retellings" by the Keepers.

There could even be phenomena like a Supernal Emanation containing the different Arthurian stories, with entrances to the relevant Verges in Arcadia. These could even have ties to the present time. Merlin really fucked things up, after all.

>>54497562
Everyone hates you and your mother didn't want you

>>54497569
Calm down. I deleted my post after I realized how much you're probably crying over this. I suggest you do the same.

>>54495553
Type of Beast from the Beast book.
Not sure if anon is suggesting that their human form is a titty monster or if they have to Go Loud to unleash the Titty.

More importantly. What kind of Heroes would be spawned from Unleashing the Titty?

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>>54497574
His blood vessels are probably bursting through his skin.

Vampfags can smell him miles away

>>54497562
Mage got 3 eras in both Dark Eras 1 books, while Changeling and 4 other splats got 4 eras (Demon, Geist, Promethean and I think Werewolf). I don't see why should Changeling fans be butthurt that we argue for a *joint* era of Mage and Changeling and not exclusively Changeling, when they and 4 other splats with relatively small fanbase got more eras than any other line already.

>>54497505
I don't find mage perfect by any means but it does have opps best writer who literally only in charge of mage so if you want to use merlin for changeling go ahead. I mean this tale literally makes more sense with mage than any other line but it not a big deal.

>>54497595
Changelingfags are occasionally 10x more autistic than vampfags

>>54497600
A joint setting would be really cool. Especially if we go by >>54497365
I just think Mage is rather more relevant than Changeling regarding the Arthurian Legend, if only because they got to it first.

It would be annoying if Merlin the Archmage got retconned into a mere Wizened

>>54497574
Blow it out your ass, fucknut
I can't delete it and I don't want to
You're a petty, conceited, greedy person and I hope one day you realize that and you start hating yourself for being such a sack of shit, for the rsst of your life
If popping off like that makes me seem ridiculous, you know what ? I don't fucking care
Your kind systematically takes away everything that could be cool and interesting in WoD and turns it into a manchild wankfest, and then you dare lord it over people with your "mage master race" this and "mage master race" that
You know why mage works so "well" with everything ? It has no flavor, no personality and no depth, it's like white ice to the rich flavors of other lines because it's specifically designed to cater to powergamers of the worst kind

This thread got beautiful real fast

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>>54497666

>>54497505
>>54497666

All this anger just because Mage beat Changeling to the Arthurian Legend?

For shame.

>>54497595
The sperging is evident

>>54497687
Because Mage systematically gets all the new cool shiny stuff and the other splats get what's left
Because Demon hasn't gotten one worthy update when it's 100 times better than mage in all respects
Because Geist was literally gutted to make more space for mage
Because any splat is more important than that pile of steaming shit

>>54497687
This anon has learned the first lesson of wod shitposting. Not to become emotional.

However he has chosen a rather obvious piece of bait.

*BOOM*

>>54497718
Well, it's because Mage is the superior gameline in all aspects.

>>54497737
If you're a daily r9k poster, maybe

>>54497718
Just convert over to Mage, anon

You'll be much happier over here, I promise you

>>54497687
>implying Merlin wasn't a Demon
>Excalibur was an embedded gadget and it's sheath was an exploited gadget

>>54497753
Why would I do that ?
To be even more bored ?

>>54497758

See >>54497439

>>54497771
There's nothing boring about Mage. The options are absolutely endless!

Fun all around!

>>54497718
>Gets asked a reasonable question.
>Answers in a highly emotional manner, ignoring that Changeling got 4 eras in the first Dark Eras corebook alone and Demon,
>Promethean, Geist and Werewolf currently lead in the number of published eras.

For shame.

>>54497718
>Because Mage systematically gets all the new cool shiny stuff

Huh?

Mage fans are still waiting (and waiting...) for the *first* 2e supplement, and Changeling and other smaller gamelines actually each received more eras in Dark Eras and Dark Eras Companion.

To add insult to injury, Dave's practically fallen off the planet, and isn't even developing the Mage/Deviant crossover in DE2.

Changeling 2e will also probably have a Kickstarter, and thus virtually guarantee multiple, relative timely supplements.

Mage 2e has hardly received all "the new cool shiny stuff." You're just a bitter Anon, jealous of Mage for unfathomable, likely pathological, reasons.

>>54497785
"A game that is about EVERYTHING is a game that focuses on nothing."

>>54497718
This is all rather subjective. Mage hasn't gotten an individual update since the 2e core. It also came out before demon and geist. And geist is a fucking shit show gameplay wise. So whoever has the misfortune of fixing it has my condolences. You seem to be mad mage has a dedicated writer.

I just like Mage because I think the different Arcana combinations are fun.

How would you flavor a Matter Ruling Mastigos Legacy?

So I am rather new to WoD and this whole game politics thing that is going on, so pardon my ignorance. But isn't White Woulf dead, and not giving out new material? What is this talk about Mage and others getting new stuff?

>>54497819
>How would you flavor a Matter Ruling Mastigos Legacy?

Mind over Matter

>>54497779
I saw it.
I just think he's wrong.

>>54497819
AI, cyborgs, androids and stuff.

>>54497835
>Dave
>Who has written for every line
>Wrong

*does not compute*

>>54497849
>Who has written for every line
Except for Hunter

>>54497785
See >>54497799
>>54497790
Good because you don't deserve anything

>>54497045
Players always want to make good vampires.

I'm sure you will find a way to punish him as the story evolves.

>You can't help everyone. If you try to do it, you will make yourself vulnerable.

>Leave him bloodied and wounded, force him to feed on humans. Tempt him with the option of drinking them dry.

>if enemies are aware of his good nature, they can use it against him.

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>changeling whores

>>54497896
One thinks that you all need to go read the Road of Heaven again if you think it makes "nice vampires".

If your not innocent (probably 90% of people in DA) then you are fucked.

>>54497849
I mean I'll take it as gospel if he wants to tell me all sorts of cool latter-day shit the various npcs of various lines have been up to.

He doesn't get to tell me how to stat out Arthurian Legend. I have opinions about that section of legend. He can fuck off.
You can play with that fluff but I won't be.

So now that DaveB is no longer working on mage, i fear Brucatto get his little local produced hoof in it. Considering that OPP management is via nepotism and not talent.

>>54497896
>Players always want to make good vampires
That's not my experience.

When I went to my LGS, the vampire games there were edgefests. Like, players going full Sabbath and just reveling in sadistic torture and murder, especially of those that were considered innocent.

>>54497926
brucatto wont have the operation so wont get it

>>54497197
It's only good if he can get six dots. but it's probably one of the more creative powers in the game. Too bad it's just such a consuming set of skills before six. I wouldn't kill the player or necessarily torture unless it's just an ill fit for the group.

>>54497928
>full sabbat NO fucking h

>>54497925
It's your Chronicle, friend. You do what you want with it. That's kind of the point with Storytelling.

I, personally speaking, prefer the setting canon. That's all.

>>54497833
>>54497848
So Mages that can bodysurf between machines and create mechanical bodies for themselves?

This sounds rather cool.

For attainments I'm thinking Initiation would be getting into the machine and from there it's just figuring out how to make and improve mechanical bodies. Maybe with a final goal of becoming a full fledged AI.

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So, /tg/, in a game of Vampire what would you especially like to see?

What do you think would be a really fun character concept that you would like to tell a story of/for/with as a Storyteller?

>>54498025
What gameline? I can see something interesting the masquerade but requiem was boring.

>>54498025

A Ordo Dracul with the Coil of Zinitra having Pyrokinesis. Or all the telekinesis merits.

>>54498006
Forgot to mention the obligatory disclaimers in >>54497848
#WeAreNotLeftHanded
#NotAllLiches

>>54497790

Changeling 2e will probably also get a Kickstarter

Not after this DE2 Kickstarter, it won't. If it has to struggle for an Age of Piracy setting stretch goal, a core for a splat that isn't knew isn't going to be worth the risk.

>>54498059
Let's say either modern or Dark Ages, year 1200 after our Lord set in Constantinople

>>54498074
>Coil of Zinitra
What's that ?

>>54498133

The proof that Requiem is as vampions as masquerade. A Coil that lets you get Supernatural merits from Mortals or attach parts of other supernaturals to get their powers.

>>54498133
Coil of Zirnitra. It allows Vampires to use the various superatural mortal merits, with gradual decrease in side effects and increase in number of merits you can learn.

>>54497807
Tbqh Mage 2e is out for how long? One year? The gameline getting the least love is imho WtF, it's werefags who could cry, they don't even have single book in the making. So grow up and calm down.

>>54498074
Yeah and he should flaunt it like having flame go out of his finger, lighting a cigar, all cool, while other vampires nearly have infarct/frenzy. (He would possibly need Coil of Ascendant for that too.)

>>54497823

Ok, so.

White Wolf never died, it just became a holding company owned by CCP once Dust 514 floundered and some seriously bad decisions were made for EVE Online market place. Since CCP "merged" with White Wolf for the sole purpose of a WoD MMO that now couldn't happen, White Wolf couldn't publish more books.

Onyx Path Publishing formed as a loophole: White Wolf couldn't publish books since CCP didn't want to spend the money, a licensing company could. So OPP, for a long while, was the sole licensor of oWoD and nWoD. Material was published for both lines, albeit very, very slowly. They added a few new lines to nWoD and updated four lines to a second edition, as well as several oWoD 20th Anniversary lines.

Then, about two years ago at this point, Paradox Interactive bought White Wolf's IP and company rights from CCP for about 2 million dollars or so, and revived it as White Wolf AB, a completely autonomous subsidiary of Paradox. They became the sole in-house publisher of oWoD (now called the One World of Darkness) leaving Exalted and nWoD (now called the Chronicles of Darkness) to OPP.

So now, the current state of the WoD brands are:

White Wolf AB: Publishes One World of Darkness (oWoD 5e). Promises to make One World a multimedia experience, VtM 5e comes out 2018/2019.

Onyx Path: Publishes World of Darkness 20th Anniversary (oWoD 4e), and Chronicles of Darkness (nWoD 2e).

Mind's Eye Productions: Published Mind's Eye Theatre (oWoD LARP...2e, I believe?). Bought the exclusive LARP rights from CCP before, has a very close relationship with White Wolf AB now, to the point of sharing staff.

It's all scattershot and compicated.

>>54497790
literally no one cares about Changeling since Hill and Rose ruined it

>>54498217
I am still very thankful you took your time to explain it to me.

>>54498253
How did they ruin it exactly ?
Been kind of out of the loop

Need inspiration?

Watch some of this, twist it to World / Chronicles, fuck the players up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbNSlu2bsPI

>>54497799
Good thing it's not about EVERYTHING then, stupid.

>>54498267

No problem! At this point I almost take a perverse pleasure in how ridiculous this kind of division gets. It actually goes further if you care about the other White Wolf properties: White Wolf AB owns pretty much every Guardians of Order IP (Tri-Stat system, BESM, and so on) because old White Wolf still had Arthaus, Nocturnal Media owns White Wolf's old non-licensed D20 companies, and OPP exclusively owns Scion and Trinity, which they bought from CCP directly.

>>54498284

In general, some folks felt:

-that Hill's take focused too much on the subtext of Changeling being about recovery from trauma and making it text. Custom courts and the focus on a new antagonist called Huntsman was also highly controversial. There were some people who dug the new focus and felt the new mechanics seemed promising, however.

-that for Rose's take, no one's sure exactly what the tone and focus will be now that Hill's take will not be the published version. The mechanics that have been seen and how they differ from the original take disappoints them, either because they liked Hill's take or because Rose isn't a full walk back to something more 1e like but at the same time doesn't seem to be doing anything new so far.

Trying to be objective about this, personally I was interested in 2e at first but the white hot reaction against it by some of my group makes me ambivalent, but I'm sure others will fill you in on how they feel.

>>54497925
>You can play with that fluff but I won't be.
It's entirely your prerogative to disregard canon fluff and use your own.

>>54498395
The issue is because hill left they have scrub everything because it was a bad breakup and they aren't going to pay him.

>>54498395
From what we've seen of the material Rose has posted, it's a lot more about taking the narrative for your own.
It's a "fuck you, I'll take this lightning-rod you gave me, and shove it right up your ass".

I'm not so sure how I feel about Courts though. Seems like a lot of work. My group can't even decide where their damn Sanctum should be, or their Cabal name. Let alone build their faction from the ground up.

>>54498395
>>54498497
Thanks
So we'll most likely end up having to mix and match parts of 1e and 2e to have a satisfying result ? At least it sounds like it to me
What I'm hoping for is that they'll have rebalanced kiths, seemings and contracts

>>54498617

That's my plan, if I ever actually found a way to run a good game of Changeling. Tried it once and I just got overwhelmed by it.

Has anyone tried their luck in running WoD game set up in Wild West?

All in all it looks pretty nice from the outside, but on the other hand it would require a lot of homebrewing to get it to work.

>>54498497
>It's a "fuck you, I'll take this lightning-rod you gave me, and shove it right up your ass".

What?

>>54495553
>>54497577
A fansplat that came out before Beast about kajiju.

>>54499474
Shit-pushing. Prostate Massage. You know, faggotry.

>>54499658
Is anyone here one of the expanders? What era do you intend to expand and with what splat?

>>54500117
Oops, I responded accidentally to the previous post.

>>54498217
Which has worse writers, OPP or WWAB?

This might be a bit off topic but I couldn't think of a better place to ask it, what do we know about Scion 2e so far?

How strong are Seers in your Mage 2e game? Do you prefer them as ruling the Sleepers from shadows, or just influencing them and keeping the status quo?

>>54501015

WWAB only has Karim Mummar, Karl Bergstrom, Kenneth Hite, and Martin Elricsson as writers at the moment, unless we're counting Sarah Horrocks and Zak Sabbath. It wouldn't be a fair comparison at the moment, compared to OPP's freelancer fleet.

>>54501195
And Brucato is definitely OPP's crown jewel of shit, right?

>>54501240
Posts about "Satyros" on /tg/ just make me glad I don't care about oWoD at all.

>>54501240

Nah, what I'm saying is that it's an unfair comparison, since there isn't even a book yet on WWAB's side of things, just a set of loose rules and a mediocre adventure. Maybe when 5e gets even close to the 40 sourcebooks Dracula promises there'll be a grounds for comparison but not at the moment.

Also, if you don't think Dracula won't tap Brucato for Mage 5e in some fashion, you're going to be very disapponted. He can't get the actual Mage 1e person since he's dead, and Bill Bridges is too busy with video games and Werewolf, so Brucato's all that is left since WWAB feels a need to the their edition to White Wolf's early past.

It probably won't be much, though. Much like how I expect that Mark Rein•Hagen will give 5e a forward or afterward in VtM 5e's core, Brucato will so the same for MtAsc 5e's.

>>54501325
Is that stuff true, or just memes people made up?

>>54501377

He helmed nWoD Changing Breeds and really was worried people would use Ascension to cast real magic, yes.

>>54501377
>Is Satyros shit writer?
http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/latwpiat/mage-the-ascension-20th-anniversary-edition/

>>54501394
I knew about Changing Breeds, but what's this about Ascension? Did he fucking Satanic Panic himself?

>>54501487

Not Satanic Panic, actually! Brucato is in some fashion a practitioner of magic and feared that presenting "real" magic as Paradigms would accidentally allow players to cast "real" spells virtually without the proper training and preparation as to what they could unleash.

Which sounds like an overblown way to say "we don't want parents to get mad at us but I don't want to seem uncool cause then White Wolf looks uncool and then I'm uncool," but it could be a legit belief be had.

>>54501564
I'd say its a legit belief of his, given that the intro fiction mentions child rape.

>>54501564
What I don't get is how he could believe that when MtAs has been out in some form for about 20 years, and nobody had used it to cast real magic in all that time.

>>54501816
I bet Brucato has

>>54501816

He originally said this around 2e.

What this means, of course, is that only Mage the Ascension 1e can grant you real magical power.

>>54501832
But if he did, then he'd know it didn't work, so also how would he think that then?

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>>54493339
Is this a competent character?

>>54501900
Perhaps it did work. Ask /x/anon, he can tell you more

>>54501900
Are you suggesting that people who truly believe they practice magic are capable of recognising that none of it works?

Non-specific neopagan chaos magic is his bag, and M20 is a completely legitimate focus in that worldview so he is at least consistent on that front.

>>54502053
I just want to clarify that I am not the poster who worships Brucato. I think a few threads ago that confusion got made, but I have nothing to do with him and really don't want to either from what I've heard, he sounds like kind of an idiot.

>>54501973
Some asshole ravnos embraced a crusader, ha.

>>54502126
Why do you just assume that anything that goes against your worldview is the product of delusion?

>>54501407
When even the lunatic SJWs think OPP is using shitty writers, you know you've fucked up.

>>54502803
OPP is playing 4d-chess to expose the ridiculousness of SJWs for what it is. That's the only explanation for shit like Beast

>>54502803
SomethingAwful is like the worst of the worst left wing hacks

>>54503383
Are they even still alive?

>>54495993
>CtD20 is already released
Unlife is suffering

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I want a mage antagonist for my Mage game. No Seer or Scelesti.

Should I go with a Banisher, Mad One or Reaper?

>>54503676
What's the gist of the PCs? Banishers are cool but they don't work at higher tiers

>>54503676
>Should I go with a Banisher, Mad One or Reaper?

Can someone explain what Reapers were in the context of Mage again?

>>54503756
Soul-thieves. Mages that use the souls of other mages or sleepers for various purposes. Most famous are the Tremere

>>54493339
>Which spalt would have the biggest tits?
Trick question. Flat is justice.

>>54503696
Barely Gnosis 2; Obrimos Libertine, Thyrsus Mystagogue, Moros Arrow, Acanthus Guardian.

Obsessions include summoning, magical items, hidden connections.

The basic idea is that they are lured in by a fitting Mystery which is actually a trap set by the antagonist to off mages. The antagonist also holds a McGuffin they should get into possession off. I could imagine a Pylon of Seers being after the same antagonist for three-way shenanigans.

>>54503756
Mages who fuck with souls. Most famous are the Tremere who use them to prolong their lives.

>>54503792
>>54503797
Hmm...maybe if you want to go with a Reaper you could make them an Obrimos from a Ruling Death Legacy?

>"The light on the edge of sleep was mine. I was Mr Candles. I will not be again."

So if I'm reading it right, DtD is light on splat mechanics and relationships of abilities because it basically has you make your own as part of character creation?

>>54503696
>but they don't work at higher tiers
Why not?

NWoD needs the Technocracy they are the only ones who can stop magefags.

>>54504324
For the same reason, nothing but abyssal threats are an issue. A group with 4-5 dots only has to see a banisher before he's annihilated. It's the issue with mage. It's like a DnD wizard but the situation can happen much sooner.

>>54504298
You probably have a point with that but people have been intermittently bitching about lack of splat junk for DtD for some time, nonetheless.

>>54504394
Which game has worse Caster/Non-Caster balance, CofD or D&D3.5?

>>54504386
This could be interesting.

Maybe they work under the belief that both the Seers and the Pentacle are both idiots.

Granted the Pentacle are harmless idiots, but the Seers are the harmful ones.

>>54504430
As someone who uses homebrew subsplats half the time anyway (My last Mage game used two custom paths), I really like the way Demon handles it.

>>54504452
I'd say CofD. If only because it doesn't just extend to combat but also social and mental areas as well.

>>54504430
Which is kind of stupid, the game literally tells you to make your own paths and specialties and stuff, and gives you mechanics to do it, and yet people still talk about the balance of the whole thing under white room conditions that are explicitly stated to never happen.

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>>54504386
Seers with a heavy reliance on techie focuses.
Next,

>>54504476
Have you seen what Wizards/Clerics/Erudites/whatever else prepared their stuff can do in 3.5?

>>54504394
Which is generally a big problem if you have Mage vs Mage combat. You almost always have to make the antagonist either careless or blind. Otherwise they would attack (and possibly kill) the PCs without them even getting a chance to do something.

Unless you telegraph it heavily and then blame the PCs if they do not pack their spell control full of Shielding spells.

>>54504506
>careless or blind
One of the big themes of MtAw is that Mages tend to be heavy on the cosmic power, light on the common sense.

>>54504493
DESU not that much at the higher end because D&D was not my thing. But I just saw the attack spells. However due to the way D&D is set up. It felt like it was a much slower progression to power than mage.

>>54504556
Eh, maybe on paper, but CofD is notoriously stingy with XP, especially in 1e.

>>54504386
Take Genius, refluff slightly.

>>54504540
That is not wrong! It can still often cause a wizard war to be surprisingly boring or leave the PCs with feeling most things are outside of their control.

How do you deal with a superior Time mage when you barely have command of Time 2? How do you deal with a veritable spirit army attacking your Sanctum?

As a case in point, I still remember the bit in one of DaveB's actual plays where the characters kill Seers that arrived by helicopters by using Rulings of Matter. Not one of the attacking Seers thought of Shielding their fucking vehicles when launching a major attack against some Pentacle rabble?

>>54504394
Aaaand why the Banisher can't be a prepared Master? With his own cabal of Adept Banishers? It's like saying that mages can't be threat to other mages.

>>54504594
2e is more generous in my opinion.

>>54504630
Why would you use a gamelinenthat has even worse fucking balance? I played with a genius character because my ST let fansplats in, it pretty much ruined the game.

>>54504650
If a (presumably not mentally impaired by metaphysical hubris) ST can forget something, it's reasonable to assume a Mage can.

>>54504681
That's what I said. CofD is a bit stingy, but especially in 1e, as opposed to 2e, which is less so.

>>54504681
Where is the power level of Genius anyway in relation to official lines?

>>54504677
That just means PC's will die. The game becomes very binary at master because of thematically poor reasoning. Mages have to be walking nukes so just let them oneshot each other. MUH COLDWAR is shit reasoning.

>>54504485
>>54504468
I think we're all on the same page, but people are stupid on the internet.

>>54504677
That is not impossible, but "prepared Master" and "cabal of Adept(s)" is pretty outstanding for Banishers. Few Banishers grow particularly old or powerful.

>>54504686
That is also true. It is just a tricky balancing act at times.

To be fair, I am usually the kind of guy that complains about too much white-rooming when discussing Mage power and it really does depend on a lot of factors that are hard to account for. I think it helps if you consider the antagonist, just like the PCs, has multiple irons in the fire and as you said, no one can always think or prepare for every angle of attack.

>>54504782
>That just means PC's will die.
So? They can die just as easily on Disciple level, with creative spell use. Magic battle are just as deadly on lower tiers as they are on higher ones, they just need a little more thought in using your spells (or not, in case of some Arcana).

>>54504686
ST doesn't have Mind arcana to literally never forget anything. Also, ST doesn't have to live in danger and paranoia which makes you double-check everything.

>>54504906
>ST doesn't have to live in danger and paranoia which makes you double-check everything.
You don't lynch your STs for making mistakes?

>>54504928
I am ST and I lynch my players for making mistakes. So they can't do it to me, easy.

>>54504928
of course not. We are all civilized human beings that play mage for the joy of turning vampires into lawnchairs and demonstrating the utter supremacy of humanizy over the rabble.

>>54504959
>I hate my players
k

>>54504981
>Hating your players
This is the best way to run a LARP.

>>54504998
>Not getting your players to betray each other
Why do you even St LARPS?

How would Mage LARP go down?

>>54505097
With the wrong player group, lots of sitting around around doing nothing and just talking about doing things.

>>54505097
lots of crying, no one having a good time, and everyone hating everyone

>>54505097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biAVdBLbZJM
Like that more or less. Only everyone is more out of shape.

>>54505154
>implying that is not how my tabletop Mage sessions go

>>54493850
>Stay hydrated

>>54505256
>When the Masters arrive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_zigUy0RE

>>54501407
Is there a way to read part two?

>>54505454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRItYDKSqpQ
When the Paradox finally hits

>>54501407
Fuck me, I blotted out how shitty that book was.

>>54497045
Does he at least have this as his theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U9lVjZg-Kg

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>>54497045
Yeah, give him exactly what he wants, peace. Everybody in this little hamlet are righteous Christians, pious with some small flaws but never truly malicious. Then has the blood in his body gets used up, he'll look for a herd to feed on or some never-do-wells to drink. But he'll only find the weak/innocent he's been obsessed over protecting. He drinking a small bit from every person in the hamlet would live him a blood hungry monster. And even the act of drinking is counter to his weakness.

He needs a Haven to wait out the sun? There is the local courtyard, he may fraud or blood bind the clergymen to hide his body there. Or really any other hapless peasant. And because a Haven is so so so VERY important to a vampire's survival, day time ghouls become a thing. Slaves, Thralls, Lovers? Matters not what their previous life was, it is now completely dedicated to the survival of their bloody Lord.

Give him a peaceful setting, and he will become the monster of it. Vampires corrupt and weaken the populations they hide in simply by taking sustenance from them. The weak will become sick and die. The naive and innocent are too tempting to exploit hiding his vampiric condition from the rest of the population. Soon everything revolves around the vampire's needs and wants because they are the social parasites and predators of man.

>>54501240
>>54501345
>>54501564
>>54501832
>>54502128
Getting into bed with Brucato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpiduQe2e7I

>>54498184
WtF has the Pack to NOTHING for Mage in 2.0. So yeah, come again? (Also WtF 2.0 is the best of the 2.0 lines, period. Prometheans second, as much as it pains me to admit, and Mage third - and the are ALL fucking great - as far as mechanics go. Rules presentation/chapter structure, not so much but we're dealing with amateurs and nepotism here now.

>>54507123
What a shit taste

>>54507158
How

>>54504490
Not even close, Anon.
Not even close.

I never got an answer to this question. I'm writing a bit of backstory for a rising star Ventrue in VtR and I was looking for a bloodline for him. I found the En, and that would seem to suit him well enough, but I'm kind of sold on Ventrue and the weaknesses and strengths of the clan. If he were to meet an diablerize an En, could his Alu manifest in the Ventrue and make the same offer or is that something that can't happen? Is it bad from as a ST to just say it shouldn't happen but it does?

>>54498217
>Mind's Eye

Its actually By Night Studios, but otherwise correct. They publish the OWoD LARP rules, and only the OWoD LARP rules.

>>54508279
Prior to the white wolf acquisition by Paradox, By Night Studios Held ALL the world of darkness LARP rights, both old and new, they just had no intention of doing anything with NWoD. Last I checked its rather unclear if they still have the same licensing deal they did previously.

So King Arthur is more of a Mage schtick than Changeling?

Why?

>>54508315
It was stated a couple of times by the Jasons that they only got the license for OWoD. NWoD LARP rules were, at one point, being published by WW as a subsidiary of CCP, but they only published the core, Requiem and Awakening because NWoD LARP sales sucked (and NWoD core could combine with tabletop with very little house ruling to run NWoD LARP easily).

I'll see if I can find a quote.

>>54508350
Merlin literally created Camelot. And hes a cannon archmage in CofD. The romanticism of the period/stories just reads to most people as Changeling, because Merlin isn't the focus of Camelot in contemporary culture as it in in CofD cannon.

>>54508395
I remember several times Rich saying they couldn't do LARP rules for anything because BNS has the rights, but that could have just been a cop out, he doesn't seem very on top of things.

>>54508214
Do whatever you want, homebrew some shit, what's the worst that could happen?

>>54508421
I'm sure there's been so much crosstalk about some things of it that we will never know all the intricacies of it anyway. I just wish OPP was held to a higher publishing standard, specifically on timeframes.

>>54508402
>because Merlin isn't the focus of Camelot in contemporary culture
There is no single focal point to the Arthurian Legend. Merlin is a very big part of it regardless.

Nobody thinks of King Arthur without his old bearded advisor.

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>>54508045
Oppressive, elitist, interested in making sure the trains run on time. Self-reported reason that trees no longer demand blood tribute. The idea that they serve the Exachs, is much the same premise as serving CONTROL or Friend Computer(both interesting ideas some times handled _very_ badly).

Yeah, that's the self-righteousness of the Technocracy. In the end the Technocracy of owod was more often used as the stick against players from doing completely silly things like mind controlling ambassadors in the United Nations. That's if you use them at the high end of their power, which in itself is also silly.

The Techies work much better in its decline and not the over arching Big Brother it can be played as. It suffered from the Global conspiracy bloat that alot of the owod splat factions had. In the end, the Techies are just as much mages as the PCs, and just as human as the PCs. They are better used as a mirror to the players to show how they are fucking up.