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Whats BTG's thoughts on A Time of War?

Been looking at running a session on Saturdays UTC-0 any interest from BTG?

>>54477885
Broadly, it's felt to be more mechanically consistent than MW3, ironing out some of that edition's bad spots, but is just overall very very crunchy and also quite lethal, which means you have to be of a very specific type of (inclreasingly rare) roleplayer to enjoy it. Character creation can be particularity time consuming, unless you use the variant method (which works fine, to be fair).

>>54477782
>1) WAAC. Win At All Costs
To be honest all games have those guys and they will bend the rules if it gives them an edge, especially against new players and are eternally butthurt when called on their BS.

>2) You cant do that its not cannon
That one I agree, BT has major issue with players like that, even seen that kinda behaviour on the thread aswell, especially if Periphrery and better mechs are mentioned in same time. Personally I don't mind telling small stories in as Era as long as the major events stay sameish ie winner stays the same, it's Inner Sphere is after all a big place where all sorts of things can happen.

>>54477940
i havent had more than a couple of sessions in it, but most of the people ive played with are old school DnD types.

Not sure what you mean by variant method, i have chargen down though, can get a character out fairly quickly though theyre probably not the most optimal builds

>>54477940
>and also quite lethal

Yeah. Just a simple reading of the rules pretty much tells you you want to do things like avoid gunfire at all bloody costs.

Squichy humans are squishy.

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>>54477799
Why post the unfinished WIP?

Anyway, that guy's work is godly.

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>>54478020

>>54474045
>I'd have clearer answers if more MWO mechs from Macross came out.

Go to dockets.justicia.com. Search for harmony gold as a party.

>>54478020
>>54478028
Took me a while to find it, but wow, this guy is good. Just saw his Roundfacer / Griffin. This guy rocks.

>>54473693
>>54473767
>>54473785
>>54473843
>>54473864
Would you guys say the Vindicator is the T-34 of battlemechs?

Also, is the Confederation *the* statist faction? I recently reread Starship Troopers and the whole "service for citizenship" schtick has me wanting to play statist for atmosphere.

Is Liao the most authoritarian and Marik the most libertarian?

>>54478487
When I think of the T-34 I think "ahead of its time and quite good", so no, I definitely wouldn't place the Vindi in that category; the only thing it shares there is the mass-production aspect, but then again, so does a Sherman. I'd say it's more of a Panzer IV.

Yes, I think I'd agree that the Confederation is the most statist.

In terms of federal structure, Marik is the loosest. I don't think any of the states can be called libertarian by any stretch of the imagination. Also, each world tends to be run a bit differently, especially in Steiner, Davion, and Marik space, so you could have a more libertarian government in one of those, though they still have render unto Caesar at the House level.

>>54478559
>"ahead of its time and quite good"

T-34 was ahead of it's time in some respects... yes. But its ergonomics were utter crap, especially in terms of escaping the vehicle and crew visibility. That and a 2-man turret...

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>>54478185
That he does.

>Took me a while to find it.
I don't see how it could be a problem finding it, but w/e, here's a link to his works:
http://www.modelers-g.jp/modules/xsns/?p=mypage&uid=22192

Click on the picture of a project to get the shots from multiple angles and a little write-up on it.

>>54478623
Absolutely. But when you've got that much armour and gun, and yet can still operate in Russian terrain...

>>54478686

Only reason the armor is considered any good is the sloped armor. The Christie suspension takes up so much internal space, when combined with the heavily sloped armor, that there isn't actually much room left inside the tank for anything useful.

>>54478623
>But its ergonomics were utter crap, especially in terms of escaping the vehicle and crew visibility. That and a 2-man turret...

Tradeoffs and no designer can be a sage.
The tank defeated the nazi warmachine, crushed Tigers, pushed the German engineers to design new tanks on short order to beat it.

It has many flaws, but it's still an amazing machine worthy of respect.

>>54478708
I wouldn't go that far, but it was certainly a 'good enough' tank when the Soviets needed one. Once they managed to actually locate their remaining brain-cells and unfuck themselves enough to use them properly.

Nice Flames of War thread you got here, faggots

>>54478895
>I wouldn't go that far, but it was certainly a 'good enough' tank when the Soviets needed one.

It fucked up Panzer 3, Panzer 4 and Tigers.
You couldn't ask more of a tank in WW2.

>But it was shitty for crews.
Newsflash, anon. This was total war, people will die by the droves no matter if you equip them with airsoft guns or put them into giant robots. There are always more willing patriots to jump into the leftover tank once the original crew gets scraped off. They'd even actively kill themselves if denied military service.

>>54478698
That's like saying the only reason the gun is so good is because it's big and has a decent velocity. The fact is, it was good. The trade-offs were worth it for 1941. Too bad they didn't have a tank doctrine worth a damn at the time to properly take advantage of it (well, that, and all their officers being Yezhoved).

>>54479051
>They'd even actively kill themselves if denied military service.
Some did, yes. I would point out that others actively maimed themselves to avoid serving.

Has the Battlemech Manual PDF been shared yet?

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The foreward from the new Succession Wars TRO.

>>54479349
>Roshak

FALCON ILCLAN CONFIRMED

SUCK IT WOLVES

>>54479349

>roshak

Cockfalcons? In my Terra?

It may be more common than you think.

Beats Loremaster Tsen communicating with ilKhan Jorgenssen, I guess.

>>54479349
mind to share the whole book?
I was going to buy it, maybe I'll buy the missing TtS and everyone be happy

>>54479438

Eh, all the Wolf stuff struck me as being too obvious for them to follow through on*, especially given their depleted strength and the situation they're in. Being less popular than the Falcons and Bears and with no writing staff on their side doesn't help either.

I guess we'll see sometime next year, because I'll eat my hat if they manage to get ilClan out this year.

*Like the obvious suspect in a police procedural before the inevitable third act TWEEST.

>>54479438
>>54479440

I won't even lie: if the ultimate outcome of Malvina being an utter sociopathic bitch is that the Falcons become ilClan, I'll laugh my ass off and then blame Herb for not letting people have nice things. The LAST thing Malvina's Falcons deserve is Terra.

>>54479493

How's the filming going? What fresh disaster has been wrought upon you so far?

>>54479493
don't rule out those Falcons opposing Malvina. Also, 2nd SW mentions a Gunslinger whose name comes from Widowmakers and absorbed by Wolf. Maybe the ilClan is a huge amalgamation of clans

>>54479438
Or it could be Alaric as IlKhan with Malvina as SaKhan. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?

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>>54479516

Nothing. It's been great. Good crew, competent people, actors who are willing to learn and not be divas, and we're 95% of the way through the hard stuff and no injuries whatsoever. I still have to be out here for another week to supervise the second unit, so the only thing that's really wrong is that the first and second unit are filling 150 miles away from each other and I have to drive with a production assistant who constantly smells like ass and who is scared to go more than 45 mph on a 60mph road. Pic related as of *right now*.

>>54479459
https://mega.nz/#!O0VEhI7K!LduSf777YJpiPhKTC6i7R5apJbwEfolUsoVU2FaWH1E

>>54479543
>Maybe the ilClan is a huge amalgamation of clans
Yeah, I kind of think some shenanigans might happen because otherwise it feels almost too obvious dropping this as they are.

>>54479845
https://mega.nz/#!O0VEhI7K!LduSf777YJpiPhKTC6i7R5apJbwEfolUsoVU2FaWH1E

>>54480046
nope, wrong link
Iron Land
https://mega.nz/#!O0VEhI7K!LduSf777YJpiPhKTC6i7R5apJbwEfolUsoVU2FaWH1E

Mizar
https://mega.nz/#!StEiVbiB!DeN4fo8JYXv9j7_WTqzhb3sjBAGDG1p_9Hy69yxUce0

Old Kentucky
https://mega.nz/#!qsNnnYwT!t7tQyXicINf0OCxilbDorvuOJL4axlVqBl3VMdItHfI

Whoever posted these TtS thanks.

I won't be hypocritical and ask that my book not be shared here, when I haven't made the same request of the rest of CGL's catalogue. I'd prefer that it wasn't, but if it is, I hope many of you will put your $10 where your mouth is and still buy a copy if you think it's quality work, thus helping keep myself, CA, Muninn, and secret anon in hookers and blow. Thanks again for helping me with making it a damn fine book.

>>54480175
Get on the IRC and help me divvy up these Clanner hookers, otherwise 3A will steal them.

>>54477617
That's not even close to what I said. I wasn't making any comments about grognards or old hardheads holding onto things. Minis looking like ass is endemic of all boardgames of this scale, which is why Warhansa is getting highly noticed now.

>>54477782
The WAAC mentality is what lead to nukes becoming an acceptable gameplay mechanic.

>>54480298
>The WAAC mentality is what lead to nukes becoming an acceptable gameplay mechanic

Who's actually using nukes in a pick up or a competitive game? /BTG talks about them all the time because they're funny and for scenario play, not to win a balanced game. Who the fuck near you is pulling out nukes without the consent of both players?

>>54480175
You talking about BMM? I plan on buying a hard copy myself if I can.

>>54480175
you are not to blame for CGL fuck-ups, but it is getting harder to spend money in their products. I hope we start seeing products being released now

>>54480175
I start buying when the plot constipation ends, simple as that.

>>54477940
If a game doesn't have at least 50 pages of detailed character generation and the ability to TPK at a whim, it is at best a second-line game.

Player asking about Capellan mechs before here again.

what are the best pre-Xin Sheng Capellan mechs?

I got into the game via the vidya games, then read some online books, so I'm kinda going backwards into the tabletop game.

god damn it

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/washington/wawdce/2:2017cv00327/242820

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>>54481734
>what are the best pre-Xin Sheng Capellan mechs?

Vindicators?
They work, they're cheap and they're extremely noob friendly since they don't overheat and have JJs to get around the place easily.

I think they also had some neat Thunderbolts.

All in all, you should keep in mind Capellans were the de-facto OPFOR of the time so a lot of their units were designed as grunts to be gunned down by the players.

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Does this ride truly never end?

R.I.P. in hell Carl Macek for getting financing from Californian Egyptian rights resellers. Not that Jordan Weisman isn't also due for blame due to all the blatant cash grabbing and rights selling that FASA and later companies under him have done. Shitheels suing shitheels ruining things that I care about.
I really wish that we could get the original content creators to sue the fuck out of Harmony Gold but that will never ever happen.

>>54481820
>>54482082

Not until the HG offices have been burnt to the ground, everyone who has ever worked for them has been killed, and the ground salted.

Note also that they aren't suing CGL/Topps.

>>54481734
Didn't we answer you last thread?

>>54482082
HBS is obviously standing its ground, for what it's worth. Good on them. I hope they crush HG.

>>54478173
Yeah looks like Harmony Gold is suing HBS and Piranha Games that case has been going on from March 1st this year, doesn't say CGL though on the defendants so it might be jsut CGL covering their bases by pulling out all of the Macros inspired mechs

>>54482549
I think this is it. Topps and/or CGL pre-emptively folded, and just HBS stood their ground.

>>54482377
It's both PGI and HBS.
Basically, they're attacking Alex's redraws.

I just can't fathom how on Earth is the US jurisdiction system allowed to be so dense and corrupt.
Japanese clearly settled it way back in 2005.
Harmony Gold owns the rights to the airing of the original anime. Designs, characters, stories, the movie,... they own nothing but the right to air the original show.
But the idiots take HG's "We don't care what Japanese courts think," as the word of God and run with it.

It's basically black humor at this point.

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>>54478679
http://blog.livedoor.jp/nucolina/archives/cat_414784.html
his actual livedoor site.

>>54482377
My real issue is that the court costs for this, however it ends up, are gonna slow further development on the turn based Battletech game that I have wanted for decades and also funded. I would say fuck PGI too but they have provided me with some of the best reference material an artist could ask for via Alex's concepts and non-encrypted 3D models and assets.
>>54482581
Black humor at it's finest, the modern legal system. No matter the outcome, the lawyers win.

>>54482573
Or HG is going after Jordan Weisman and the smaller companies, knowing that dragging CGL and Topps into will end badly for them. Just pure bullying tactics from Harmony Golds lawyers.

>>54482798
I'd agree with that being a possibility except with CGl obviously pulling all their Macross stuff in a hurry, despite it obviously fucking a bunch of their plans. I'm sure they were approached and caved for that reason.

>>54482695
>his actual livedoor site.

I went with the model site since this one is fully Japanese and a ton of the stuff presented it just WiPs.
The former site has everything presented relatively neatly and doesn't require BFS on alien characters for those of us who can't even read kana.

>>54482549
Look at the documents. Inmediares (CGL) is named in the actual files as defendants. Just not on the site.

>>54479349
anyone sharing this?

So my gm is gonna let me fly an aerospace fighter for out battletech games eventually, but he's not set up for it yet, so in the meantime hes giving me a VTOL. Do you have any recommendations on how to play VTOLs?

The year is 3028, and i dont know what we are gonna get our hands on, so no idea what my ride will be.

Should the new nickname for Atlas be Bubba?
All in favor say "Aye"!

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>>54483570
No.

Big Benis. :-DDDDD

>>54482947
Ah sorry missed that, was too bummed out when I saw the damn case, just irritates that fuck out of me that even today Harmony Gold can pull this shit with redesigned Mechs.

>>54483556
Warrior Attack Helicopter, I would recommend the 7C, with LRM10 and SRM4 has enough range to stay away from angry mechs and can do enough damage to hurt them.

>>54483556
Best bet is to keep you speed and come in from directions that are not right infront of the mechs, VTOLs are rather hard one to hit, but rather not take a risk from lucky shot.

>>54483556
Karnov AC20 variant.

>>54483723
>>54483786
>>54483861

So they dont die as easy as they did in mw4? Cuz those things dropped like flies whenever the ai looked at them.

>>54483922
Oh, no. Not AS easily. They die easily, but hitting them is not as much a duck shoot.

>>54481820
Fucking mother fuckers. Harmony Gold needs to be taken out back and fucking shot. I seriously hope that PGI, HBS, and CGL combine forces and fuck HG in the ass on this one.

>>54483922
They can. Because they're so light they don't carry much armor. And a small laser hitting the rotors will still down it.

>>54481820
This *might* justify why both HBS and CGL are delaying the shit out of their products

>>54484316
Don't know about HBS --- that could be just a typical game delay. But CGL? Almost certainly. Alpha Strike box that was supposed to have classics? Combat Manuals filled with classics? Months of delay on 2nd SW, then we get a book with a bunch of re-used art? Money spent on original BMM cover that was supposed to have a Rifleman (and presumably other classics art) flushed down the toilet? I'm betting this screwed CGL in all sorts of ways.

>>54482581
>I just can't fathom how on Earth is the US jurisdiction system allowed to be so American

Fixed for you. Better not criticize the system of freedom, the freedom agency is recording your posts~

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>>54482581
If it's the Alex art, I can see why they did that. Pic shows that the two look very similar.

I wonder if the fact that HG doesn't actually DO anything with the Robotech license means anything in this kerfuffle, or is it like that stupid Mickey Mouse Copyright Exemption Act?

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>>54478173
Someone in the last thread said all the Macross ones were done except the Longbow. Well, they still were missing the Stinger, Wasp and Valkyrie. The only Stingers and Wasps we have are bad edits of the Phoenix Hawk.

>>54477799
any MWO anons here from the other day?

>>54482581

Doesn't matter what the Jap courts say, they have no power in America.

>>54484316

OTOH, CGL has a track record of SOON (TM) but actually never, fuck you fans! and not paying artists, so business as usual and screwing up in other ways is easily plausible.

>>54484279

Not any more, anon. Rotor hits only do 1 damage each except for physicals (and maybe crashes?)

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>>54482849
>>54482798

No, the judge ruled in default against IMR/CGL.

Hey, CGL, lawyers are expensive. Maybe you shouldn't have put all of your money into a porch.

What are your guys favorite canonical mechs? I have to go with the chameleon 7VQ. I wish there was more than one, I'd love to get my hands on one. The Falconer and the Penetrator 6T are also delicious.

So if i'm going into a game with a Warrior 7C, i should be flanking. What do i do when they start focusing on me? I've never done a hilo in Btech yet.

>>54485490
Firewall the throttle and pull back out of range. Warriors are fast enough that you should be able to duck in and out of range easily

>>54485484
The KGC-001. Fuck, I love that mech so much. It isn't actually that amazing, due to having 6 locations that cripple/kill the mech if I lose them, but I love it so much anyway.

>>54485517
so i go in when initiative favors me, then out when not?

>>54485380
>No, the judge ruled in default against IMR/CGL.

Source, because Topps is supposed to handle all Battletech legal stuff.

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>>54485484
You tell me.

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>>54484998
>Doesn't matter what the Jap courts say, they have no power in America.

Sure puts all those jokes about China and their originality into perspective. Essentially, I could steal anything from the Asians as long as they didn't explicitly pay the US a heap of money to settle the paperwork in a country they couldn't give less of a shit about, and be in the clear?

>>54485593
>>https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/20755327/Harmony_Gold_USA,_Inc_v_Harebrained_Schemes_LLC_et_al

>ORDER signed by Clerk William M. McCool granting39 Motion for Default by Harmony Gold U.S.A., Inc. Default entered against InMediaRes Productions, LLC. (KD)

>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_judgment
>Default judgment is a binding judgment in favor of either party based on some failure to take action by the other party. Most often, it is a judgment in favor of a plaintiff when the defendant has not responded to a summons or has failed to appear before a court of law. The failure to take action is the default. The default judgment is the relief requested in the party's original petition.[1]

>>54485673

Basically yes but especially when dealing with America, which uses its various treaties as the equivalent of a Mafioso going "Sure is a nice economy you got goin' here. Be a shame if somebody withdrew from the treaty agreements or somethin,'" spoken or unspoken, and has used those same treaties to force American law and precedents down everyone else's throats.

The other thing you have to consider is risk versus reward. One of the reasons the Japs DGAF about Harmony's shennanigans is that they don't think they can make money by exporting their stuff to America by using another company, so it's way too much hassle to go to court. As with >>54485694, CGL probably doesn't even have the money to mount a legal defence after its many and varied fuck-ups so is taking the path of least resistance in the hopes that the other parties might win so they can proceed again.

>>54485694
>CGL didn't even show up with a lawyer

This is a new level of retarded. What the hell were they thinking? What stupid thing are they bound to now? Or is this not going to get settled until after the actual court date of September fucking 2018?

>>54485484
I love the Blitzkrieg, it's fun as fuck, there's simply no way to drive it besides balls-out insanity at all times

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>>54485861
notice that the submitted documents seem to indicate that HG is arguing that the Atlas looks too much like the Crusader, so if Catalyst is saying "yeah we agree", how TF are they supposed to stay in business?

>>54485933
>The lawyers actually submitted this

I can't tell if this is genuine retardation or some kind of bait to whip out the actual marauder/archer stuff in the real fight as a trump card.

>>54485933
Damn Harmony Gold. They should have been nuked from orbit, just to make sure.

>>54485970
But if CGL didn't even try to fight it, isn't that similar to pleading guilty to the case that HG built - offending Atlas and all?

>>54486013
See
>so is taking the path of least resistance in the hopes that the other parties might win so they can proceed again.

>>54485987

More like Catalyst should learn how to defend themselves legally, and maybe spend less money on hookers and blow, and just hire a lawyer that they keep on speed dial already.

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>>54485970
Now, the question is whether or not Alex's Marauder is different enough to be considered a homage rather than a ripoff.

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>>54485484
I've always had a fondness for the Hunchback HBK-4G. I guess I get a humble and reliable, no-nonsense vibe from it. And of course, there's something infinitely appealing about a giant shoulder-mounted cannon.

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>>54485933
If HG start targeting the latest tabletop stuff, Catalyst will surely lose. The differences are minuscule.

>>54486013
Sort of. HG is only stating that the MWO versions of the machines are derivative. Thus the original BT versions are not included. Of course, if HG wins this, I imagine can then sue more later regarding the original Atlas, based on the ruling that the revised one supposedly was a knock-off.

>>54486065
The legal team should really hit it all from two fronts. First from the front that there's literally half a thousand battlemechs and so some will bear some resemblance to other machines just by shotgun approach. Then hit it from the other end that HG only has distribution rights for Macross and not image rights so it doesn't matter anyway.

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One question because I'm not sure how legals work. This is all hypothetical...

If Harmony Gold owned the rights to a design like this...

>>54486097
No, dude. Look at the image. They're claiming the Atlas is derivative of the Crusader.

If my non-legal eyes are reading this right, we've already lost via not sending a lawyer and have agreed that the Atlas is a copyright violation.

>>54486097
The differences must have been deliberately made so that the machines could be deemed to be legally distinct. They obviously went to the trouble to do that. At the same time, one then wonders why they folded. I would assume money, except wouldn't Topps handle all the lawyering that would be involved? It's weird all around.

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>>54486139
...and Catalyst came out with something like this as a homage, would Harmony Gold have grounds?

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>>54486065
>Now, the question is whether or not Alex's Marauder is different enough to be considered a homage rather than a ripoff.

Under any sane rules? It looks worlds apart from this. Like, come the fuck on.

>>54485970

That's exactly what it is. It's classic escalation, but I don't know where they got the money necessary to sue everybody, and rope all companies into an actual investigation.

>>54486148
Reading the summons thing, it seems like they called out Loren Coleman specifically to show up to court on a given day, and when he didn't HG filed a motion for default judgement.

>>54486142
Good god, losing the rights to the Atlas and shit would just be hellish. HG has clearly gone too far. One hopes it's a false flag to force them to submit the Marauder.

>>54486148
With the way CGL is handling things, one can't help but suspect sabotage...

>>54486142

You've only lost if PGI and HBS doesn't fight and at least partially succeed. If they fold, or are defeated utterly, then there will be even more lawsuits following this one.

>>54486139
>>54486152

Yes, but it's not all based on the actual law, but also on how smart your lawyers are, and smart lawyers cost lots of money.

>>54485673
Essentially, as long as it wasn't massively illegal (like state secrets), yes. If it was strong enough they could push for extradition and you'd damn well better be in a country that didn't honor those. And if high enough, make sure you have a good private military force to guard you for the rest of your life.

>>54486139
>If Harmony Gold owned the rights to a design like this...

Then Bandai would have crushed our collective fucking problem ages ago.

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>>54486175
The Alex designs were what was being debated, so I brought that up. Trust me, there's worse designs Harmony could be bringing up.

>>54486192
>With the way CGL is handling things, one can't help but suspect sabotage...

>oh noes guys, all that pirating you did meant we couldn't afford a lawyer! you killed your own favorite universe!

d...dont notice how much we spent on home remodeling....

>>54486061
This is also true, but HG should have been nuked. They have released no media in the last 20 years and simply exist by virtue of suing companies that have passing copyright infringement. They are a copyright troll, plain and simple.

This is a real laugh when that Robotech Academy KS they tried to do used actual stolen assets.

>>54485933
That's retarded. No way that's real.

>>54486406

If battletech was owned by someone with even a single brain cell, they wouldn't be getting sued all the time, and HG wouldn't be effectively in charge of both macross and battletech by virtue of copyright trolling 101.

I hate to say it, but PGI is the only hope in the lawsuit, since their whole existence is threatened by this, and they have actual experience defeating motherfuckers with their own copyright trolling and basic bitch legal loopholes.

>>54477799
So I'm going to put a little more thought into modular armament, letting you spec your lasers, ppcs, ballistics and missiles according to you're presets, so you just have handful of weapons and a series of modular attachments.

Please don't judge my ideas too harshly, I intend to put about an hour or two of work into this idea, and I don't want someone to just say, "It sucks, get wrecked nuub"

>>54486567
The main problem you're going to run into is 'why can I configure it per-shot'?

Here's what I can't figure out: could CGL have really gone ahead with their redone art project without Topps' blessing? I mean, they presumably told Topps (BT's owner) that they were doing something that might attract a frivolous lawsuit, right? So did Topps say, "no worries, we got your back", only to change their mind? Or is CGL really so incompetent that they never let Topps know in the first place, and when everything went south Topps said "You did what? Fuck no we're not helping you".

>>54486610
which of the two companies is more likely to make basic business mistakes?

>>54486653
Well that's a given. But Topps might have changed their minds. I find it hard to believe that even CGL just said "aw, fuck it, I'm sure it will turn out fine" considering the legendary history of HG's fuckery throughout BT's existence.

So wait. Guys. I'm mad and scared and stressed out now.

DOES THIS MEAN THE BATTLETECH TURN BASED GAME MIGHT NOT HAPPEN

PLZ RESPOND
IM DUMB

>>54486790

Development on most shit that could have even the slightest relevance to anything involved in the lawsuit has most certainly gone on ice at all companies.

It explains why PGI stopped making unseen remakes so suddenly. The actual HBS game itself shouldn't be that affected by this, but it depends on how retarded all the companies involved actually are.

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>>54486282
Last company I heard to do stupid things with corporate profit went down in three years, pic related. We looking at that?

>>54486853
I have no idea what I'm looking at, so I can't say.

https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/wawd/242820/1-0.html

The actual problem for team pgi and hare is that #17 and #22 are very solid points that they can't simply argue away.

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>>54486842
I'm sure HBS would be fine if they got some more Succession Wars Mechs from PGI. Of course, something tells me PGI ain't interested in Succession Wars anymore...

Can I get one of these, Alex? Preferably with an Owens, Strider and Sunder? Please?

>>54486874
Dreamwave. They used to be in charge of the Transformers comics until 2003-2004. The president of the company didn't pay their freelancers, and spent company funds on stuff like cars. They went bankrupt in a few years.

>>54486937
Oh damn. Well, yeah, that could be it. There are clear parallels between what CGL did with their Shadowrun freelancers.

>>54486842
I worry because shadowhawk, locust and atlas, all mechs pictured here (assuming others aren't on top of this stupid ass claim) are in the game... Though I think the warhammer is the only reseen from MWO in the new BT game. It would suck to lose it, but I could live without it.

So you are saying I shouldn't panic, melt down all my pewter minis into low quality bullets and build a bunker out of my furniture due to lack of battletech?

>>54486959

No, trust in piggy's top tier lawyer to find a way to drag HG to big boy court. If they don't, it will cause a lot of financial damage to them.

Maybe petition HBS to give PGI access to their money and legal representation, so they don't fuck it up for everybody.

Crime doesn't pay, Battletech nerds. It's been a long time coming, and now the courts are going to give your criminal asses the smackdown they've deserved since 1984. You'll rue the day you screwed with Harmony Gold.

>>54478559
Panzer IV was okay, if unreliable at times, though the sloped armor of the T-34 made it significantly tougher than the stats suggest

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>>54486911
Who needs Flying Debris?

>>54487040
PGI's whale money being used to fund a massive legal defense is our only hope for the golden age.

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>>54487132

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>>54487175
>dat mech

>>54487132

I like the way you think, son.

-Kevin Siembieda

>>54485933

If that's real, CGL should have stood their ground and fought. The only explanation is that they can't afford lawyers which means they're fucked in court any way.

>>54486057

They'll still need to bring an appeal or however it works given that the judge has summarily ruled they're in breach of IP laws. They didn't even bother filing a defence.

>>54486610

>Or is CGL really so incompetent

Anon, do you even have to ask?


>>54486282

This assumes I would have bought the majority of the shit they came out with in the last like seven years. And most of it, no. Some of it I only bought after seeing the PDF.

>mfw PGI is the best and only hope battletech has to win a court battle.
>mfw I have no face.

>>54486898
Bullshit on 22, only one of the designs is even close to actionable, and that's the Rifleman. As for 17, Weisman needed a better lawyer, Jesus. We're so fucked. It was a good run guys.

>>54486898
>The actual problem for team pgi and hare is that #17 and #22 are very solid points that they can't simply argue away

17 is BTech's problem, not Mechwarriors.
22 is also easy. We sent the "early designs for approval to HG". Having gotten a negative response, we instead opted to make our own designs well within the 20% changed rule that makes them completely separate designs.
Thus we are in the right.

>>54487334

#22 will be ruled in HG's favor by normies and judges, unless Weisman and pals can come up with a solid defense to prove they're not all blatantly 'warrior robots' from the robotech (tm) (r) (c) franchise (tm). #27 will likely be thrown out, but it seems more like filler.

HG's angle is quite obviously focused on ass fucking HBS based pretty much entirely on Weisman's signing of an agreement 20 or so years ago, and his current day disregard for said agreement, despite knowing full well that it's still legally binding.

>>54477799
Okay, here is is, my modular laser pitch:

https://pastebin.com/XueqGtmV

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>>54487481

>>54487481
here's my pitch:

fuck customization.

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>>54487132
We at Robotechx.com are laughing!

>>54487520
Go play a different game

>>54485673
>Essentially, I could steal anything from the Asians as long as they didn't explicitly pay the US a heap of money to settle the paperwork in a country they couldn't give less of a shit about, and be in the clear?

No, not any longer. You could until the early 80s. Since then, the US has agreed to accept automatic copyrights too. Comes up occassionally when orchesters get sued for making cash by playing eurasian composer's works without paying them royalties.

>>54487481

Kinda shit. 'Lessons'? Your pitch sucks when you go with a lecture instead of persuasion.

Not to mention it's poorly laid out and explained. Why are there multiple lenses, what do they affect aside from heat and what the fuck is duplex and triplex? Where do pulselasers fit in?

PPCs?

It needs a complete do-over, or preferably never to see the light of day again.

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>>54487498
Do I have to hold your hand?

>>54487433
isn't there a statute of limitations or copyright expiration date? Putting aside Disney and other large firms, which renewed its copyrights due to the large number of people it employs, copyrights are meant to enter into the public domain after 20 years. Normally, our courts only uphold trademark claims if they are currently being put into use and would affect someones elses sales.

>>54487655
From what I remember, HG owns everything Macross FOREVER and EVERYWHERE except Japan.
So as long as HG exists or somebody bought the rights HG owned and incorporated them into a new company...

>>54485933
>HG trying to claim the ostall, scopedog and dougram
wat

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>>54487617
dude... just, why?
Why you gotta be a fucking prick?
Why do you have to shoot down something somebody worked hard on for nearly a half hour straight?
Is this how you would treat your peers?
It sure as hell doesn't endear you to anyone and makes you sound like a crotechety, stodgy, bitter mule.

Just be supportive for once in your life, okay?

>>54487730
Lets try it again.

Here is my report on Modular Lasers, the IS breakthrough that is going to change everything:

https://pastebin.com/XueqGtmV

>>54487655

I think USA has a 70 year period before shit expires/goes public domain, but I'm not sure. It's a lot longer than everywhere else in the world.

>>54487713

That's not what they're saying at all. They're saying that PGI's robot designs are ripping off theirs. Specifially, that manbots like the atlas look similar to their manbots. They're not saying that they OWN dougram, just that manbots in MWO look very similar to manbots in robotech.

It's a red herring, and will be thrown out, but was enough to make catalyst withdraw.

>>54487760
Now, as of yet, the report is not finished. It assumes that all lasers are going to be scrapped and bundled up into the modular package. It also includes incremental improvements made in photonic technology by the inner sphere over several decades.

It is, as of yet, incomplete, but I intend to add more as I draw a following.

Now, you can either be supportive, or you can use the ugly clusterfuck of laser technology that battletech uses currently.

>>54487713
derivative works mang

>>54487730
>Just be supportive for once in your life, okay?

No.

>>54487805
And if you didn't notice already, there are going to be different values for clan tech, but the idea is within a short span or time period, everybody is going to be using these.

>>54487830
Back under the bridge, troll

>>54487730
>https://pastebin.com/XueqGtmV

Yeah, nah, PGI's hardpoint system is shit, and so is yours. >>54487617 has it right, your 30 minutes of spitballing unnecessary solutions to non-existing problems is a cool idea but irrelevant to the board game and actively detrimental to the second most fun part of the metagame.
54487730
54487805
and thank you for namefagging so I can now filter you.

>>54487866
good riddance, your criticisms were worthless and your contributions non-existent. Say goodbye everybody!

>>54487760
>https://pastebin.com/XueqGtmV

This is bad. It only increases crunch while providing more avenues of boating. No thanks.

>>54487866
Bye!

>>54487760
Question! When will we get "lessons" on wingstubes, bop drives and missiles loaded with wasps?

>>54487899
Heres your (You)

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>>54487866
>>54487899
Bye-Bye!

Some additional ideas

Beam Splitter Module: This device splits the beam across its horizontal or vertical axis, focusing it across a thin, short, line. This adds more damage at the cost of reduced range.

Pulse Module: Pulsers allow a brief lapse in firing before cycling again, allowing for better heat dissipation. They also have a shorter refractory period, which translates to better accuracy due to shorter burn times and shorter wait times between firing.

>>54487730
You wanted feedback >>54486567
You wanted more than 'it sucks, get wrecked'.

I delivered. I told you it sucked and what sucked about it. For 4chan, that is supportive. You can't handle it, go to reddit or the official forums.

>>54487866
Still sucks because there's no explanation as to what duplex and triplex lenses add to functionality.

Why don't try actually finishing shit before you post it? It'll help if people can see how it's all supposed to fit together...

>>54487895
>>54487917
>>54487968

Or you can samefag like a thinskinned little shit. Damn, you're as bitchy as that fanfic-fag.

>>54488131
>Or you can samefag like a thinskinned little shit. Damn, you're as bitchy as that fanfic-fag.
It is the fanfic fag.

>>54488131
Dude it's VV just ignore him.

>>54488171
>>54488181

Oh. His improved grammar deceived me.

>>54487481
what kind of laser do i need to shoop my whoop most effectively, and how much heat does it produce

>>54488111
Clans, on the other hand, will be going digital, modifying each of their lasers on the fly with digital presets. They can re calibrate their lasers with the flip of a switch in mid battle. They have hit a bit of a plateau with Photonics, however.

>>54487895
You LOSE, good DAY SIR

>>54488111
Another one:

Overcharger: Increases damage by one step but increases heat by two steps.

>>54488181
As I rarely visit the OF, VV? Not familiar with that moniker.

>>54488288
Some asshat that got butthurt when his posted fanfic got criticized for disregarding canon, pointedly refused to learn canon about the Clans to improve it, and then got butthurt when he was castigated for being lazy ontop of being talentless.

>>54488288
Vroom Vroom was a /tg/ troll a few years ago. Specifically called out /btg/ as being full of dinosaurs.

>>54488322
No, that's still ringwhatever. VV is someone else.

>>54487805
Sparrow swallows cocks in Hell.

>>54488347
Trust me it's the same dude. Either way stop talking about him and ignore his posts. He'll starve without (You)s.

Anyone have any concrete info on wtf happened to the BT site?

Also, CGLs tumblr account was fairly active for all their brands until 30Jun17. On 28Jun17, the judge entered a default judgement against CGL. The Tumblr has been dead since.

>>54488506
Angry shadowrun fans hacked it.

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>>54488506

>>54488547
Their Facebook pages haven't been quiet. Though whoever runs them understands social media about as well as a baboon.

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So last night I was the one who asked about the Von Luckner replacements. I took a cue from one anon who suggested a refit for them. I did more than just a straight swap of MRMs to LRMs. Since they're so badly trashed (only one has a working UAC/20), I figured a full refit would make more sense. Here's one potential variant.

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>>54488919
And another.

>>54488919
Are you..trolling?

That's a shitton of LBX ammo. You should at drop a ton of slug or cluster for another ton of SRM4 ammo.

>>54488551
Why would they? SR is a profitable enterprise, it'll land on its feet.

>>54480846
Minor problem with your logic, anon: if CGL don't get enough incoming money to make new products, they can't release anything TO end the plot constipation.

>>54489078
No. It's a straight swap there. You do know that the original K75N has 5 tons of UAC20 ammo, right? I can drop it down to 4 tons, though.

>>54489234
How much money does it take to publish an already-completed PDF of ilClan?

No, seriously, I'll bankroll it my fucking self if it gets the book out of the pipeline.

>>54489554

Since you would have to convince Ben to release copyright after leaving the company on bad terms in part due to not being properly paid in the first place?

Probably a lot. Certainly more than CGL would be willing to part with.

>>54489234

Counter-counter point: if they had been publishing the shit people wanted to buy, maybe they would be selling it.

Alternately, if this legal garbage is preventing ilClan from being sold, leak a draft, whatever state it's in. Leak it and I'll buy every god damned junk PDF that's been cranked out since 2013.

>>54489641

Reading between the lines of Ben's departure post, it's a split between them not paying him and them deciding to do something else now.

>>54489628
Ben didn't write ilClan, if the newer messages on the OF. He just made the outline

Are you talking about something we don't know?

>>54489743

AFAIK he had outlined and written most if not all of it but CGL kept fucking around on actually doing anything concrete about releasing it.

>>54484859
Stinger, Wasp, Valkyrie, Crusader, and Phoenix Hawk are all based off the same Macross mecha, and the Phoenix Hawk has been available for quite a while in MWO. So yep, all the Macross mechs are in there except the one that became the Longbow.

Which faction produces the lewdest characters?

>>54485484
Thunderbolt. Never used one that didn't perform well, though I prefer the ones with jump jets, because fuck terrain slowing down my maneuvers.

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>>54487269
Got you covered, anon.

>>54487773
>I think USA has a 70 year period before shit expires/goes public domain, but I'm not sure. It's a lot longer than everywhere else in the world.

The way US copyright works is very simple. Nothing created after Mickey Mouse will ever enter public doman, because every time Mickey gets close, Disney buys an extension to the length of copyright.

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So before I get sucked into the meme dream, are there any practical uses for an Urbie?

>>54485484
Archangel. It has terribly low pod space, but damn if they aren't hard to kill. Only ever lost one to a cERPPC head shot.

>>54491404

Steiner or Canopian. Blonde Germanic fetish Queens or gorgeous trannies. Take your pick; both options are good.

>>54491799

Oh yeah. They're great in thick forests, rough terrain, and especially cities. They're light enough to jump onto most buildings and gang up on other 'mechs.

Took eight Urbies against a Warhammer IIC and a Marauder IIC recently. Warhammer died horribly, and the Marauder had breaches all over and was nearly decapitated before the last Urbie fell.

>>54492044
This. They're URBANmechs taketh employees when you know you've got the terrain for them.

>>54491799
Like the name says, it's good for cirty-fights, or other places where open fire-lanes tend to be incredibly short. An AC/10 ain't the biggest gun in the game, but there aren't many 'Mechs under 80 tons that can laugh it off, either, and the jumpjets let it leap small buildings (in a single bound!) to break line-of-return-fire. A few turns of sting-and-run, and the cumulative damage can really add up.
Other than that, it's basically a small self-propelled gun-turret. In an open field, it's basically a joke, but as support-fire or an ambusher....

>>54489743
>Are you talking about something we don't know?
He doesn't. Ask Phil Lee (the guy that wrote ilclan) if Ben wrote "most of ilclan," and see what kind of response you get. Fuck, Phil is the guy Ben assigned to write it. Otherwise Ben has fuck-all to do with the book.

>>54492097
Calling it a self-propelled gun turret is accurate. I'd call it a "Hetzer with jump jets".

So what games are you guys planning on moving on to once HG finishes completely dismantling Battletech?

>>54492235
Bootleg Battletech. Too much of it on the net for it to truly die now.

>>54492290
This. I won't give up a great game because some people are fucking stupid with it.

>>54492235
>implying they'll win

Topps counterclaim suit when?

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>>54492235
>>54492290
>>54492336
>>54492359

>Hey man, ya'll got any of them unseen?

>>54492396
Can someone shoop her shirt to have the Steiner fist on it?

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>>54492396
Huh. How'd that get there instead of this?

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>>54492235
Will see how sick of it I feel. If it's even half of what I felt after GW killed Warhammer Fantasy (a game I'd not even played in a decade) then I'm probably just going to pack my mechs up and get really in to microarmour of some kind for a few years until the dust clears.

>>54492489
old bug in 4chan, someone on some other board got your image instead because it was being posted at the exact same time or something like that.

>>54492652
Well, that's probably gonna be awkard for them.

Which do you guys like better for general merc work, falconer 8r, or 9r?

>>54492993
I kinda like the 9R. They're about even on firepower, but the LBX gives it some critseeking the 8R lacks.

So in the last thread, somebody (>>54465997) mentioned that the Wolverines apparently didn't make it out at all. Whence the Minnesota Tribe, then? Were they really just a Comstar hoax?

>>54493155
>Whence the Minnesota Tribe, then? Were they really just a Comstar hoax?

Best guess is non-clan remnants of the Exodus Fleet like some small group that was able to flee the Pentagon Worlds during Operation What Would You Do For a Klondike Bar

>>54493117
Is the lbx an antiinfantry weapon under the new rules?

>>54493244
I haven't had a chance to read the new rules, so I'm not sure.

>>54493155

Eh. Betrayal of Ideals puts the Wolverine remnants who got out of Circe, then chased down and left for dead with at least two warships, possibly 3-4 Warships.

Basically. They got chased down the Exodus road. Clanners caught up and killed them in the big Battle of Barbados. One warship (at least) jumped out of the battle. (McKenna, Zuggy) while at least one warship leading a scouting group wasn't present... and the Clanners didn't realise that. Two scouting groups regroup at Barbados after the Clanners left and another Wolverine warship arrives from the homeworlds after it got delayed during their escape with a big load of Sibkos.

This leaves em with a Whirlwind and... a[Texas I believe...]+ around 2 clusters of troops. There is POTENTIALLY more warships because there is a ship called the Saratoga equipped with LF Batteries. Meaning implications wise its either an LF Battery Jumpship or an Aegis/Luxor/Avatar/McKenna/Riga II.

The other scouting group also had something with LF Batteries. The 3rd scouting group was never see again.

>>54493244
neg.

>>54492993
8R is the better machine but New Valencia is only cranking out 9R's after they repair the line from getting wrecked in '75. So probably easier to get the second than the first. But if you can get your hands on an 8R, at least you won't have any major replacement part problems. Same engine, armor, etc between both variants.

>>54493391
Is Betrayal of Ideals in the OP folders?

>>54486898
Fucking Harmony Gold and their fucking cash-grab bullshit. Just when CGL and BattleTech might have been getting just a little traction, HG have to go and validate Tucker's Law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mss7ZNIEhfo

>>54493563

Don't know. I bought my copy legit from DTRPG, recent Kindle edition with the added epilogue.

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>>54494014

>>54493155
>>54493203
>>54493391
Based on Betrayal of Ideals and the opening story in Interstellar Expeditions, I think it's pretty safe to say that the Minnesota Tribe IS the remnants of the Wolverines.

How much of the documents Uncle Chandy gave to the Ghost Bears were real or fake is still up for interpretation, although the opening fiction to Interstellar Expeditions rather bluntly states the Blakists know SOMETHING about Minnesota Tribe/Wolverines, and they don't want whatever they know getting out.

>>54494863
Blakists probably are using a Wolverine Colony as a secret base or some other Star League stuff out that way they repurposed. Niops is in the same general area and we know the Star League had special forces crap out that way. It's why they built Spiders at Tematagi.

Also, Betrayal of Ideals is in the OP in the classic battletech novel section. And by downloading it, I found I had actually got a copy back in 2016 and never actually read it. Whoops.

More importantly, the Battlecorps section has chapters of a bunch of stuff I've never seen before, like all the extra chapters for Case White. I really need to sift through those and figure out what I've missed that weren't in the printed books.

Has the HG lawsuit vs HBS been discussed yet? Just saw a post about it on the German facebook page.

>>54494952
It's like half the thread. Get to reading. It's depressing as fuck.

>>54494970
TL;DR version is in >>54493814

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>>54486148
The issue is that it seems that the legal wording is anything that is "Derivative" of their art is fair game for taking them to court over. That's a pretty broad fucking brush.

Also:
1995
>Lets take these guys to court over a toy for Exosquad, This will turn out great!
2009
>Hey guys, we just found out that we can use the unseen and HG can't do shit about it.
2015
>Hey guys, we are announcing the creation of the Marauder, Warhammer, and a number of other unseen in MWO
2016
>Hey guys, We're redrawing the unseen with minute changes and republishing them, because the original look old by todays standards anyway.

>Never negotiates with Harmony Gold beforehand.

>>54487040
I'm also hoping that Catalyst have access to Topps' big guns. I'd heard that if shit hit the fan, as a subsidiary of Topps, they get access to their legal team.

HG are big compared to Catalyst, but Topps is one hell of a big brother - it just depends on whether they'll follow through on that.

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Whatever happens, we must simply hope none of idiots involved fold their cards.
If they drop from the case, it fucks up the chances of the other two.

Catalyst is practically a bigger threat to the games than HG is.

>>54495672
>Never negotiates with Harmony Gold beforehand.
Good, fuck Harmony Gold right in their greedy asses.

Plus they're not going to do shit anyway since they know the next time they go to court they're going to finally lose the rights to everything.

>>54495977
Boy are you in for rough news. Coleman didn't give the court a response or show up on time so the judge already signed a default judgement against CGL.

>>54495672

DESU negotiating with HG on any level could be a bad look because it's literally saying "Hey guys, we're concerned this stuff might be infringing..."

Also, I'll say it for the umpteenth fucking time for whatever good it will do: CGL and the grogs need to give up on the pipe dream that HG will let them have any kind of use images that look like the Macross/RoboTech mecha. It is just *not* going to happen. I don't give a fuck how much the grogs will REEEEE over Warhammers not looking the same as they did in the 80s. The PP stuff should have been retconned as "and they always looked like this" way back when so everyone could get on with things.

Hell, didn't 25 Years of Art and Fiction get fucked exactly the same way? Why didn't they learn from that?

>>54495751

CGL didn't even bother to show up in court and were summarily ruled to be in breach. If Topps was going to do anything either CGL didn't talk to them or they decided that CGL had fucked up and could live with the consequences.

>>54496023

>Coleman

Why am I not surprised? Was he busy that day getting quotes on having his porch plated in gold or something?

>>54495672
They never even got those rights. All they were sold was the distribution rights

>>54496139

Not according to the previous judgement, which Weisman agreed he and everyone else who ever held the BT IP would be bound by in perpetuity.

This is what really fucks CGL, PGI, and HBS up. They knew, they did it any way, and regardless of how batshit insane it is the law is very much on HG's side.

>>54496164
The whole idea of the new images were that they were new content, sufficiently distinct so as to avoid any legal connection to the Macross art. Thus, the law isn't on HG's side unless the new images fail the alterations test. Oddly, HBS has decided to go with a jury, which strikes me as a bad move, because I don't think a jury will appreciate the nuances of "similar but legally distinct" even after it's explained to them; to my mind they'll just say "yep, clearly the same thing". I'd think you'd want a judge who, while not immune to bias, is more likely to rule from a purely legal standpoint.

>>54486898
Harmony Gold want's to make a Robotech Movie. Their license is itself shaky, so they are atempting to prove their ownership of the license in US courts that haven't already found that the company HG licensed the rights from never owned them either just like TCI (the people FASA licensed from). So they beat up the little guy to prove their rights US so they can turn around an claim US corts proved they have the rights when the Japanese come after them.

>>54496223

>to my mind they'll just say "yep, clearly the same thing"

Speaking as a layman, I always thought the new images looked waaaaaay too much like the Unseen and wondered why HG hadn't dropped the hammer before. I guess they were just biding their time.

"We changed it juuuuust enough :^)" has always seemed like an unnecessarily risky play to me.

>>54486177
They didn't, it's IP trolling, the lawyers get paid from the settlement, jokes on them though, CGL doesn't have any money, HBS doesn't have any profit yet, the only defendant that could even pay to make it go away is PGI. Unless the 800 pound Gorilla steps in.

As a side note they according to wikipedia Hasbro kicked their ass in 2013.

>>54496398

Yeah, but Hasbro had some legal guns and a decent argument.

Their toy looked like a Valkyrie because the Valkyrie was based on the F-14. And it transformed into a robot because gee fucking duh, it's the Transformers, it's what they do.

BT was a straight-up rip-off of RT/Macross right from the start.

>>54482798
Yeah, but going after the electronic properties risks Microsofts involvement. PGI and HBS' defence can litteraly be "Are designs are all owned by microsoft, suck it."

>>54496438
Their toy was based on an old Valkyrie toy they had the right to distribute, just like Battletech had the right to distribute to the old TCI kits and HG had the right to distribute the original Macross show.

What HG is alleging is that their right to distribute the original show and also make some merchandise for it somehow gives them the right to everything Macross as well as exclusive merch rights, which they don't actually have.

>>54484998
>Doesn't matter what the Jap courts say, they have no power in America.

If the Japanese determination that the rites don't belong to HG doesn't mean anything in America, then whoever inported Star Wars, or Micky Mouse into Japan can just claim they own the film and can start pumping out sequals. That would be stupid.

>>54496515
The difference is that Disney would just sue them in a Japanese court because Disney properties are huge in Japan, but Macross is tiny even inside Japan.

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>>54496438
>Yeah, but Hasbro had some legal guns and a decent argument.

Dude, their toy was the original Valkyrie.
They got the design the same way Battletech did.

>>54496481
>What HG is alleging is that their right to distribute the original show and also make some merchandise for it
>and also make some merchandise for it.
No, they legally can't.
Any merchandise is an infringement of the Japanese copyrights.
They have the right to redistribute the show. Fullstop.

The designs (and thus any merchandise aside from nameplates of their renames) are owned by the Japanese and so any toys are illegal.
Posters that aren't stills from the show are also illegal.

Harmony Gold does not own jack shit, which is exactly why they're so desperate to have retards like the Battletech company give them some ground to stand on (as they get bonus points for winning cases against people who simply cede to the retarded claims).

>>54494863
>Based on Betrayal of Ideals and the opening story in Interstellar Expeditions, I think it's pretty safe to say that the Minnesota Tribe IS the remnants of the Wolverines.

Yeah, I agree. Now the real big question is...

Which BAND of Wolverines. By the end of Betrayal of Ideals... there is 3 seperate groups of Wolverine survivors with no contact with each other.

1: Scouting Groups 1/2, Warship Yukon and whoever survived on Barbados by disappearing into the woods and hiding until the Clanners disappeared.
2: Warship Zugoffer Weir and the other two ships (Unknown if Jumpship or Warship) that jumped out together with it from the Battle of Barbados.
3: The MIA Scouting Group 3.

>>54496515
This. All Macross is worth to Sunrise Bandaid overseas is a new localisation deal and sone model kit sales.

>>54496585
>but Macross is tiny even inside Japan

I see you hit your head while waking up this morning. Really hard. Should put some ice on it and maybe lay down for a bit, friendly advice.

Macross is the second biggest robot franchise in Japan. MSG is the undisputed king but these guys shit all over anything you have and haven't heard of. These shows sell out stadiums, recreate real life audition contests,
and get golden record status on their soundtracks. Frontier is on record as the best selling hard copy release of anime Bandai has ever produced.

>>54496625

Pretty sure it's number two since the WoB renamed the Zug Blake's Sword and deployed it during the Jihad.

>>54496828

Could be. On the other hand, it could be an entirely different group.

To give an example. Number 1 might be the one who went down towards Rasalhague and raided them.

Number two might have head towards the more Davion-OWA end of the Drac border region and then had something resulted in them losing the Zug.

Meanwhile Number three went elsewhere.

>>54496828
>>54496880

Whoever were the ones who raided the Combine were likely the ones that founded the colony out by Niops out by Marik space. I can't think of any reason to load up on thousands of people in a raid other than forming a base population for a colony.

>>54496946
The "McEvedy's Folly" out by Niops got its own TtS, which makes it clear it was founded by a McEvedy completely unrelated to the Wolverines.

>>54496997
You do know that the intro with the Wolverine colony ruins in ISP3 is an unnamed planet 20ly coreward of McEvedy's Folly, not the system itself?

>>54496946
>You do know that the intro with the Wolverine colony ruins in ISP3 is an unnamed planet 20ly coreward of McEvedy's Folly, not the system itself?

Oh, I agree with you on that whole rescue all those people from Slave Camps. (Needing more seed population).

>>54497400

Urgh, replying in this, I always mess things up. I meant to copy.

>>54496946
>Whoever were the ones who raided the Combine were likely the ones that founded the colony out by Niops out by Marik space. I can't think of any reason to load up on thousands of people in a raid other than forming a base population for a colony.

That.

>>54497024
Oh, that. I'd forgotten about that.

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Might do a Mechcommander wide body version, not sure yet.

>>54493391
Weren't the Wolverines annihilated in 2823?

And Operation Klondike took place in 2821, when every Clan had like 40 mechwarriors each.

So how could there be any meaningful number of Wolverine survivors?

>>54497992

AFAIK they retconned the Clans from 40 warriors, final destination to 40 warriors plus auxiliaries. The Bloodnamed were just the ones given all the glory and lines in the Rememberence.

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>>54494863

Didn't take long for the mods to shut down the harmony gold thread

>>54499438
It took longer than I expected. Having a thread in their forum is more "proof" for HG that CGL is doing something wrong

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Link when?

>>54497992
Op Klondike was about conquest. So the Wolverines should have had their share of the conquered population.

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>>54499795
Gotta fix the cover first

>>54499913

Yup. Bipedal giant fighting robots are an infringement on Harmony Golds IP, regardless of the details or configuration of the robots.

>>54499795
That's one funny looking batman.

>>54496438
Jetfire was orignally literally a Valkyrie toy rebranded and the new toy was a homage to this. The point was that they actually have money and a competent legal department so HG didn't do shit.

>>54496692
And it's still a drop in the bucket financially. Macross isn't a major earner for Bandai and the series sells alright, BT not amazingly. Its got a established fan base, that sweet idol money and so on, but is not viewed as a product worth the hassle of overseas distribution. If it was, they'd sue HG and open up the license again.

>>54500419
>bandai sells topps the license to distribute macross in the US after ripping HG a new asshole in court

>>54496692
Sunrise doesn't even put their best studios on Macross stuff. You're heavily overstating it's popularity as a major earner. It does have a pretty solid fanbase I Japan thought but we're talking maybe tens of thousands who actually put money in the coffers and plenty of other series blow it out of the water in terms of fan base and revenue.

>>54500419
Pretty sure they already tried, and HG managed to jew them out of the rights to Macross due to fighting in US court.

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>>54500419
>Macross isn't a major earner for Bandai and the series sells alright

Bandai doesn't have anything to do with Macross. They only get contracted to make stuff like the games, toys or the DVD/BR releases I've mentioned.

>>54500449
>Sunrise doesn't even put their best studios on Macross stuff.

Neither does Sunrise.

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>keep the faith guys

Yeah, sure, ok. I'm sure Coleman didn't take the cash earmarked for legal defense and use it for a new hot tub or some shit.

>>54500446
we can dream
>>54500000
get check

>>54500449
>plenty of other series blow it out of the water in terms of fan base and revenue.

Sure, but not robot series. Code Geass, NGE... the stuff you'd consider the biggest hitters in the genre are all below them.

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Man, this guy... I always hated it when I pulled one of them in Mekwars Legends. A big expensive assault mech slot, eaten by... a slow, weak, undersinked, ecmless potatohead double-c3 master.

How could something like it ever leave the design table?

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>>54486096

>>54501186
I sometimes regret not naming my dog Awesome.

>>54500981
>How could something like it ever leave the design table?

It's not meant for anyone but NPCs to use, that's why. It's not intended to be used by real characters, just Dracs.

>>54500981
it looks like an adorable child that just sneezed

>>54501711
which would look fucking TERRIFYING on the battlefield.

>>54501727
SGT: Hoss! Stay with me hoss!
HOSS: I'm.. Ima' sorry sarge, she look just like dat little anime girl what done got raped!

>>54500981
a kitten. a kitten that just sneezed.

>>54501698
Well it's bad even at that! Way easy to mess up.

>>54501746
Speaking of messed up. That don't sound healthy, frer.

>>54501932
>Well it's bad even at that! Way easy to mess up.
naw man, what you want to do is diss your homies, like say, "That mech is So fat its got its own address!" "That mech is so ugly she scares blind infantry!"

You have to make the insult so god damn absurd that you just kind of want to laugh, like the drill instructor from FMJ. Just be so over the top that it sounds like you are full of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3woEDTUbDYg

>>54501932
This is why men make better soldiers than women. They know how to trash talk. They know how to pound someone into submission.

Its never really how many men you kill, its their morale, you are aiming to break the enemies spirit, which means bolstering your own. You have make men proud of themselves, proud of their accomplishments, willing to put their lives on the line.

You can't do that when you are tearing them down. You can't cut their legs out from underneath them and expect them to walk without building them back up again.

You can't have all your colonels and majors being a bunch of bitchy cunts who act like they are on the rag all the time.

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>>54502042
It'd overheat and ammo explode. Besides, I don't think Tai-Sho Pyle could connect with a jelly doughnut let alone a company of actual battlemechs.

>>54502213
After every war, there is that "GG" moment, where you respect the enemy and the enemy respects you, where you acknowledge that one of you has won and the other has lost.

>>54501932
Yeah man, you diss your homies, but not for real. Like you just playin'

I think maybe the tabletop should resemble the video game more. Its overall more well balanced.

>>54502322

It's too late in the thread for that sort of bait. Try the next one.

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>>54502322

new thread.
>>54502533

>>54491799

You run the Urbie Derby. Just get enough Urbanmechs to line one entire board edge of the map. Every hex full of urbies. Run the urbies forward every turn. Anything that gets within AC-10 range gets buttraped by cannon fire and eventually with the advancing wall of urbanmech DEATH, they have to.

The enemy's choice becomes to retreat off the board edge or face the Urbanmech wrath.

Okay, I apologize for my bitchfit. I realize now that the tables did not paste correctly and were staggered and looked ugly. Please refer to RAW paste data to get it to format correctly.

https://pastebin.com/28FEcqjU