How the fuck do I beat this guy? He makes every game so boring

>>54472497

You mean you don't like playing against army wide rerolls on everytning and 4 free command points?

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>>54472497

>>54472518
I've never played Warhammer but that sounds fucking awful.

Shadowsword.

>>54472536
GW doesn't give a fuck about balance. News at 11.

>>54472518
The only game I won playing against him was invasion and that's only because he didn't get to his objective in time. Everything that was in his way died the turn he charged.

>>54472536

It is. Oh did I mention that he stands back up after he dies?

>>54472497
Why are you playing something other than him?

>>54472653
How many points is he worth?

>>54472671
Like, 350? He rapes anything in melee to death too.

>>54472696
He kills entire units in one swing.
It's so fucking frustrating playing against him with any close combat army.

>>54472497
If your opponent pulls that guy out just tell him no thanks, pick some other units?
If that makes them butthurt then find better people.

Shot at it until it dies.

>>54472497
giving primarchs stats was a mistake.

>Guilliiman OP
>In Age of Guilliman

Not surprised. Makes me not want them to bring back more primarchs, just makes it all about them

>>54472764
What is bubblewrapping?

>>54472671
360pts

>>54472764
>36,000 multimeltas!

>>54472497
Welcome to 40k. Last edition this would have been a picture of smashfucker, the edition before that it would have been a jetbike seer council. Its always been this way.

>>54472497
Avatar of Khaine.

>>54472865
was smashfucker even good

>>54474180
He was the best at he did

>>54474217
I miss murderwings

X I X
X I X
X I X

>>54474217
so no? lol

>>54474180
Smash Fucker was a godamn monster, the fucker could 1v1 almost anything in the game at one point.

>>54474180

No. Waste of points, Librarian was better.

>>54474217

Wasting points and not getting into combat except vs. other bad players.

>>54474289

Can't 1v1 if you can't charge.

>>54474180
No- he was just really tanky.

>>54472696
That IS ludicrously undercosted

Here's hoping that gets increased with the Codex

>>54472497

He's only 9 wounds right? How many sniper rifles would it take to kill him?

>>54474411
Everything in the Codex got cheaper, so very unlikely.

>Balanced
>Most play tested!

>>54474413
Like five dozen hits if you were trying to Mortal Wound him to death

>>54472743

I just spam an army that's like 16 squads of 5 marines and feed him a squad a turn.

>>54474413
Smite-spamming psykers (if possible) would be more effective.

>>54472497
Vindicare assassin. I turn two'd him. Gitgud.

>>54474472
Vindicare don't vindi-care

Bloodthirster

>>54474413

I think it depends on what kind of sniper unit you're using. Also Tau and IG are the only ones that can really spam out tons of snipers with ratlings and drones. I guess SM Scouts can too but then you'd be playing an SM scout army so lol. I guess Tau and IG would feel the same way.

>>54474289
Didn't he lose to dthirsters

Counter to Bobby g is mortal wounds. Smite can kill him pretty quickly and he has no mortal wound defense.

Playing without psykers this edition is really bad. I hate playing daemons of khorne now cause smite is so good.

>>54474727

Psykers are one of my biggest pains as deldar since we have 0 psyker defence and one shitty sniper on Haemmy and Wracks

>>54474727
Psykers are stupid now because you can't deny them without another psyker, and as someone who plays Black Templars going from better deny rolls to no deny rolls really pissed me off.

>>54474773
BT are getting a fat bonus to denial in the codex. It's literally 4+ on a D6 if someone tries to cast within 24".

>>54472497

1. Field your own Guilliman
2. Field Celestine
3. Field 6 Stormravens
4. Field Salamanders with max 48" weapons and bolterkakke all over him
5. Tie him up in hordes all game
6. Play Imperial Guard

>>54474787
That's good, Looks like the codex will bring them back up to what they were before which I'm liking. Also, how does a non-psyker deny a psyker? Do they just tell them to fuck off firmly enough to convince them not to use space wizardry?

>>54474789
What if you're not an Imperiumcuck?

>>54474943
Then why are you playing Age of Guilliman?

Its named after the fucking Imperium's boss.

>just wait till Age of Primarchs/Perpetuals/Reborn Emperor/Old Ones next

Chaos is soooooo fucked again. Especially once the Imperium gets dozens of ADDITIONAL factions and all the older ones get their own "primaris" options of better alternative unit versions.

>>54474534
>>54474575
>d3 wounds
lol ok

>>54472764
You can't. As a hero unless it's the closest thing to your shooting unit, they can't shoot him because he's under ten wounds. Because of this it's basically impossible to ever have your entire army unload shots into him because there's always going to be some closer infantry.

>>54474289
What was Smashfucker's stats and loadout? I only played 40k in 4th/5th edition and just started again in 8th.

>>54474857
Basically.

>be sorceror
>begin shooting mindbullets at loyalist plebs
>guardsmen dying in droves
>a black-clad force with only melee weapons approaches
>[giggle_of_Tzeentch.jpg]
>turn my staff of wizardry towards those idiots
>wait, something's wrong
>staff not working
>loyalists getting closer
>N-NANI?
>"FUCK YOUR FUCKING WITCHCRAFT MOTHERFUCKER I WILL TEAR OPEN YOUR NECK AND SHIT DOWN YOUR GOD-EMPEROR-DAMNED --"
>get black(templar)ed

>>54475013
>ADDITIONAL factions and all the older ones get their own "primaris" options of better alternative unit versions.
That seems completely fine considering that primaris units suck utter balls compared to normal marines competetively, meaning primaris'ing other armies would just create more shitty imperial armies that get their asses kicked.

Seriously, Intercessors, Aggressors, Hellblasters, and Reivers are a fucking joke.

>>54475013
cant wait for the first primaris to get corrupted

>>54475159
Now that Hellblasters can take multiple varieties of plasma they aren't so awful.

Should note Guilliman only does have 6 attacks so for the most part he can only kill 6 models unless he gets lucky and rolls lots of sixs with his sword.

>>54475159

They all dropped in points by a noticeable margine with the Codex

Bunch of stormbolter guys? 10 Wraithguard with D-scythes maybe. 400 points of any Storm Shield dudes.

>>54472865

Smashfucker was insanely hard to kill.

Guilliman is insanely hard to kill, is the single best buffer in the game, destroys imperial knights in a single round of combat...I don't mind seeing him on the table, but to compare him to smashfucker is ludicrous.

Who wins Guilliman or Magnus? Pretty sure Magnus can one hit him with smite.

>>54475441
This
>>54475159
Did you honestly think the merchants at GW would actually let their new product suck ass for long?

>>54475169
Cawl will probably start it though.

He already made primaris out of traitor and missing legion geneseed.

But he'll be okay with it like the mad scientist he is.

>>54475647
There's nothing inherently wrong with traitor geneseed though

>>54475627

Girly man is the only thing I will outright refuse to play against in 8th edition.

>>54475634
Except they still suck. Their weapons options are largely garbage and the only ones I would consider remotely competitive are Inceptors and Lieutenants. Besides what makes Space Marines good has never been their infantry, it's largely dogshit. It's about the armor spam.

Is Dirty Rob alone worth playing as Ultras?

I love the Blood Angels but our primarch is dead and who knows how we'll be treated in our book.

Right now Ultras are just so damned good thanks to Robby and their new chapter tactics.

Figured it'd take 10 Meganobz with Killsaws to kill him in one go assuming average rolls. And that's 630 points alone.
But then there'd still be the coin-flip of wether or not he hops back up and shoots/charges the Nobz to hell with everyone nearby.

>>54475837
Its either Ultras for him or Space Wolves, SW have straight upgrades on most units plus Bjorn is like a ghetto Rowbutt.

Actually now I've thought about it, it'd be far more cost efficient to charge him with Nobs armed with big Choppas. They'd have the same chance of inflicting their D2 as Saws since any AP better than -1 is no help against a 2+/3++ model, and they don't have the hit penalty, so 10 of them for 260 points would be just as likely to get the job done.

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Try playing 50 of those littile guys

>>54476066
>>54476150
Can you even get ten nobz into melee range of him? I mean, is his base big enough for that?

Swap armies with the guy who keeps beating you and see what he does. If he eventually manages to beat you then obviously you're just a retard.

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>>54472819
>What is bubblewrapping?
Useless, when your squad of 4 robots are machine-gunning two and a half full-sized Marine squads to death every turn.

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>>54472497
>Good luck Girlyman, I'm behind seven Voidshields :D:D:D

>>54476494
You can get five Terminator bases in and five more behind without having to wrap around, I'm sure
Normal nobs are still on small bases anyway

What is the answer to Robut Guillisuite and his flying circus? I'm thinking something like a Biker Chapter Master with like 20 Veteran Bikers with Storm Shields and Meltaguns. Maybe a Space Wolves successor since they get size 10 squads.

>>54477192
I play Orks so I was thinking either lots of kommandos or lots of stormboys and bikes

>>54477192
>What is the answer to Robut Guillisuite and his flying circus?
>Would you like to play against me?
>No thanks

>>54477280
Isn't the fun part trying to find a plan to win?

>>54477280
Its more of a hypothetical, something that can both eat a stormraven alpha strike and then still kill them while also being decent against other armies.

>>54477236
I takes far too many stormboyz to melee a plane to death, but the concept of using jump pack assault infantry as a counter is interesting.

>>54477192
>>What is the answer to Robut Guillisuite and his flying circus?
>this tournament is batallion-only

>>54477360
No.

>>54477394
I don't have my book on me right now but I do believe bikers and stormboys are pretty cheap compare to space marines.

The main problem I find is that they have so many shots with the rerolls. You can also have squads of 15 for them. Make a battalion detachment and a fast attack detachment.

In the main army have troops that can drop in 9 inches away from the enemy.

I never killed Guilli but I did win some capture objective matches against him because my opponent didn't want anything to go too far from him.

>>54477192
Don't play with special characters at all.

>>54472497
Falchion/Shadowsword, hefty plasmaspam, boyz, tie him up with gaunts, sledgehammer the model, whine about muh riptides, drown him in Lychguard, etc. He is bullshit though

>>54472819
what is scouts, ratling, and assasins

30 Orks and wierdboyz teleporting next to every unit the player has and charging.

Congrats the primarch might live but nothing else will. Good luck winning with 1 model on the board.

>>54475701

you can take none primaris lieutenants now so the primarines don't even have that

What are the assassins like? Could an Eversor or Solitaire take him down if they got the OP charges off?

>>54478596
>an eversor
Why just one? Take a whole bunch, they're cheap as heck and absurdly efficient.

>play death guard, 1500 points
>just beaten a friend who plays necrons, so badly that I was helping him build a better army
>guy carrying marines ask if he can play me
>He pulls a gulliman mini
>"eh, not now, I'm busy"

I rather concede victory to the players who use it than waste my time knowing it won't be fair

>>54478596
they are maginificent

I'd bring along a big squad of Electro-priests, like 15-20 of them, and give them a 5-man Vanguard unit to tag along. They stay behind my front line of Vanguard and try not to die too much. Guilliman charges in, wipes one of my frontline Vanguard squads, consolidates wherever. The little 5 Vanguard unit charges him to soak overwatch and debuff his toughness down to wounding on 4+, then the Electros beat the everloving shit out of him with 40 S5 AP-2 DD3 attacks that hit on 3+, plus if they roll a 6+ To Wound they do D3 MWounds instead. Also their charge did 20/6=3.33 Mortal Wounds flat, because RAVE PRIESTS. I'm honestly thinking that when FoC comes out that an army of two Triaros Conveyors with either 1x20 or 2x10 priests in might actually be kinda fun.

320 points for 20, no shooting but they have T3 5++ and 5+ FnP, which boosts to 3++ 5+++ once they wipe a unit. Vulnerable to anti-infantry firepower, though.
A full squad of 20 charging with Reroll Ones can kill Magnus in one turn, Guilliman will statistically die to twelve.

>>54475100
You can with snipers bra

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>>54478566

doesn't work in matched play, and most faggots are bringing him as part of a flying circus.

probably answer the issue with swarmy and a shitload of crones personally, the swarmlord has a reasonable shot at killing rowboat guilestheman and can catapult himself 18+4d6 inches at him turn one and crones are pretty efficient at killing flyers.

He's only unfair in elimination match ups

>>54474527
You can run 5 Primaris psyker for 200 points.

Oh crap Girlyman is broken as fuck. Celestine looks fair by comparison.

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>>54472497

>Unable to beat tactics A with tactics B every time

Newsflash kid, but it might be high time to switch up your game. Have you tried snipers? Have you tried units and artillery that doesn't need LoS? Have you tried outflanking/deepstriking assassin squads?
Think like this, if he spends a good chunk of his army tactics and points in to one element of his army, its like putting all the eggs in one basket. If he makes such an impact on every game you guys play, you change up your game and list and start to take him out on a regular basis, your opponent will be forced to ether change list or change tactics.

Players like you who players the same routine list (based on some ancient old 7th ed power play list no doubt) and starts to loose because one specific element, and then instead of changing play, you go online to whine, are just the worst.

>>54478714
>>54479141
Sure am glad every faction has access to snipers

>>54479141
>Lol you're complaining because he's able to destroy entire units that's on the board in one hit? Just try not having things on the board.

>>54479141
>Have you tried units and artillery that doesn't need LoS?
Can't snipe characters. Try reading the FAQs for once ultrafag

>>54472653
GW: "Buy it or die faggot"

>>54472497
Tell him to piss of and go fix the Imperium at large instead of bumming around on the battlefield.

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>>54472497
Treat him like players did the monstrous Oldcron Monoliths, cock block him using inconsequential shit while you go for your objective.

>>54472497
Don't play against marine players? When has this not been the case?

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>>54472653

>>54479333
Not even the same comparison. If the Necron player put a Monolith. It was easier to make him phase out.

Just putting Girlyman in your list makes your army better on his own.

>>54479249
>>54479257
>>54479284

>I can't comprehend to think outside the box, so Ill just go online and whine like a baby.

Can you imagine how this would look outside the extreme autistic audience of miniature wargames? Like you go to IKEA and buy a couch, but your to stupid to understand the drawing. Instead of trying to get help or perhaps trying to think in a different way, you go online and whine all day like a little bitch that IKEA makes bad furniture.

>How do I beat problem A?
>I go online and whine like a bitch

Did this solve your problems anons?

>>54479401
>riptide wing was balanced and fair
>scatter bike spam was balanced and fair
>free transport was balanced and fair
That is how you sound.

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>>54479401
>your to stupid
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but I think you may be stupid in a different sense.

>>54479439

Im not claiming its "fair" its an unbalanced game by a company who admittedly explains they make rules for models, not the other way around.
Im saying you guys sounds like little bitches when you go online and whine about it, instead of trying to change up your game.

If you honestly think Girlyman is "unbeatable" I suggest you stop playing anon. Just stop what you're doing and walk away from the hobby, because there is no hope at all if that's the case.

>>54479448

Im saying they are stupid because they refuse to try and switch up their game. If you feel that this is a good procedure to beat your opponent, you are just the same as them, a whiner. And seriously, who enjoys playing a whiner (the guys always complaining before the game even starts "oh! Seriously!! You brought unit X to the table?!? I might as well quit now!"). I mean, come on, grow a pair and try to outsmart your opponent instead.

>>54479401
You're assuming we've been trying the same thing over and over. I've personally been trying different things but nothing really seems to matter when you get 20+ shots and get to reroll any that miss.
You already have around a 67% chance at hitting something with a 33% chance of rerolling so let's say 16 of your 20 hit then you have a 50% chance at wounding generally since most things are toughness 4. With rerolls. Making it so at least 12 of your shots are going to make it through and with a squad of 5 or 6 armour save of 4 you're going to lose an entire squad if you don't then they'll run from leadership

>>54479652
I was saying you're stupid because you can't into English lol.

>>54479401
Give us some tactics to kill a bobby army, since you're such a 40k master.

>>54479729

Well, not going to lie as English isn't my first language. But I make my point across 98% of the time anyways. Not going to save you in this argument though, and your still a whiner who rather goes online to bitch about "unfair play" than to try and outsmart your opponent.

>>54479846
I wonder if your solution is to bring your own Girlyman.

Or bring random ratlings to your SoB army just to tailor list against the broken shit.

>>54479875
bring deepstriking kantor

>>54479846
I even said I wasn't the guy you were talking to you fucking retard. I was just commenting on you calling someone stupid when you looked dumb having shit grammar.

>>54479927
So fight broken shit with stuff of another army and abuse keywords.

Oh boi

>>54479141
Thing is, the usual solution to "big smashy thing" is anti-tank weapons or Mortal Wounds, but he's not only tougher than a Land Raider and can rez, he also can't be targeted half the damned time. Skitarii Arquebi x4, which is all the snipers in my 2.5k Brigade, do around 2 wounds to him, which means that if they get to take shots at him every turn of the game they might just make him rez on D6 wounds before he smashes everything else off the table.
Can't target him with the things that are made to kill him, can't damage him with the things that can target him. Hence I came up with >>54478677
which might work if my opponent has no sense of target priority and/or hasn't stuck in the almost mandatory 6 Inceptor squad I see in every game. Other than that, I can do nothing, really, and plenty of armies have neither effective snipers OR mortal wounds in the required quantity.

It's not a matter of playing around him, it's that some armies physically don't have the options needed to take him down, meaning that he takes far more points, skill and effort to deal with than to use, since all the UM player needs to do is charge down the board at the scariest unit the enemy has to force the entire enemy army to change plans to deal with the 350 pt unit.

>>54479401
This

Idiots will always complain rather than find a solution

>>54479353
>too stupid to beat the most popular army

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>>54472497
Stab him in the neck

>>54480355

This is exactly what I was referring to as to change up the game, which most of the forum posters recites to as nonsense.

As you say, a unit of Electro-priests of 12 is statistically what is needed to take him down. With this in mind we can create endless scenarios that can take this brute down. If you also swap down a few wounds from shooting or a lucky ambush unit ties him up, that's also a bonus.

> since all the UM player needs to do is charge down the board at the scariest unit the enemy has to force the entire enemy army to change plans to deal with the 350 pt unit.

But this is also its weakness. When I know all I have to do is charge ahead, I often loose to some idiotic shitplan such as charging down the field while my opponent simply outmanouvers me, removes my bubble wrapping, takes objectives, ties my units with scrap units and so on and so forth. If your army has less units (and it should in OP´s case), you have less tactical options. Each and every unit hurts you more than it hurts me, as long as I have numbers on my side.

>>54480358
Well, sadly, the new black is to go online and just bitch about "unfair units" rather than to try new shit out. Hell, on /tg/ I have seen guys broken down completely from mathHammer alone! Claiming there is no hope for their army, simply because some random anon has shown in numbers how much unit X can dish out in damage on a good day.

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Hey, look on the upside. If you kill him, then you've just permanently set the Imperium back a vast distance and shattered their new command structure they've spent a hundred years consolidating. He's probably surrounded by a horde of snowflakes too, so there's more points.

Half the armies in the game don't give a fuck about losing an army of that size, Admech build another one in ten minutes, Nids, Orks and Crons have numbers and/or regenerate, GSC, Guard and all the T3 armies have more numbers.

It's pretty much only Space Marines, Custodes and Eldar who care about dying on the tabletop, so if you wipe a Guilliman Snowflake army then you've just paid back your entire army a million times over.

Check this force summary out, this is an EXPENDABLE OUTPOST by Mechanicus standards.
Go fuck yourselves Marine players, NPC races forever.

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>>54480508
It didn't work.

>>54480618

Units removed from play are not necessarily considered dead, only unable to fight anymore.

>>54480868
True, but if you wipe some Space Marine army off the table there's hardly anything stopping you from walking around firing a meltagun into any Marine still twitching or in SusAn or gluing a Vortex Grenade to Guilliman's face, is there? Unless you want to fluff some kind of miraculous rescue, which rather defeats the point of winning the battle in the first place.
Hell, even knocking out a few Terminator or Marine squads in the first place is probably a win.

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>>54480657
BESTBOY WILL COME BACK TO FINISH THE JOB!
Or just get a Magnus/Mortarion like treatment aka he gets a model and the EC get some noise marines and dreads etc. etc. but in the lore he just gets BTFO'd by daddys new favourite..

>>54480007
8th edition revolves around buffs
take it or leave it
(it's certainly way better than deathstar units of previous editions)

>>54479390
>Just putting Girlyman in your list makes your army better on his own.
as he should, he's Rowboat Girlyman, goddammit. one of the archangels of the IoM, the dude who set up the IoM to begin with.

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>>54480969
Roboute is prettier.

>>54481002
But I do not play mutants. T3 pure heart humans is the only way to play Imperium.
It is what the Emperor would had wanted.

Maybe Legion of the Damn, mostly because they look like "Día de los Muertos" marines.

>>54481056
Remember when special characters require permission from the opponent?
I won't those day back. Some armies will suffer like SoB that basically need Celestine to even function.

>>54480612
I do see your point, but again it's disproportionately powerful. A competent UM player with Guilliman will pretty much always trash an equally competent player running a standard army, because they know how to clear screens and Pile In enemy units away, and have decent target priority. It almost ALWAYS takes more skill to deal with than to use, which is pretty much the definition of an OP unit. I'm not TOO salty about it, because killing him automatically engages Smug Mode, but it still rather destroys balance. Hell, the best way to make my Mechanicus army better is to ally in bloody Guilliman, since over half his buffs work on Imperium rather than UM and he's cheaper and smashier than a Knight anyway.

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>>54481070
Well.. whatever Roboute does in the battle against Bestboy and his legion, he cannot stop Bestboys boytoy from enacting his personal crusade to destroy every Titan legion and Knightly house in the Imperium

>>54479658
field bigger units, give them leadership buff and put them in cover. done.

>>54481120
>Remember when special characters require permission from the opponent?
i remember a time before there were special characters.

>I won't those day back.
i don't and you won't get it. character buffs are excellent in bringing tactics to the game

>>54481130

What buffs are UM only and what buffs are imperium only?

>>54481130
>A competent UM player with Guilliman will pretty much always trash an equally competent player running a standard army,
even IF true, all that it means is that he needs to cost a few extra points.

>>54478677
>charging

They will never get to charge Magnus thanks to his ludicrous movement. He will, and between his damage, them being Imperials and his melee you can expect that around fifteen of them die before they can swing.

You can use them to guard other units from his charge, but at that point Magnus can go kill something else while 320pts of your army does diddly squat.

>>54481278
Yeah, pretty much. Make him considerably more expensive and he's fine, it's just currently he can punch out Knights for 2/3 the cost of one. If he cost a little more than a Knight he'd be fine.

>>54481264
I remember playing back in 3rd, we still had tactics and we didn't need mandatory snowflakes of broken crap to even work.

>>54481287
>fifteen of them die
The hell kind of damage is this guy dishing out? They have 5++ 5+++, so how is he dealing either 23 Mortals or 30 regular wounds even with DTTFE? His Smite only does 5 kills on average, right?

Anyway, the whole point of keeping them behind the frontline Vanguard is to avoid that happening, they deny charges on the units surrounding them. Especially from people like Magnus, that would be like suiciding a queen in in a game of chess. Given the Magnus play I've seen so far consists of him tossing a couple Smites then charging something important, seems worthwhile ven if they didn't provide much-needed melee protection against other armies.

>>54481331
3rd edition was pleb-tier edition that "streamlined" the game beyond belief and made me quit the game for a while.

>>54481269
Imperium get +3 CP and a 12" bubble that adds 1 to Advance and Charge distances, provides To Hit of 1 and Morale rerolls.

Ultras get that AND a 6" bubble of Reroll All Hits and Wounds.

>>54481386
Didn't know they had invu. Magnus does 3.5 or 7 wounds average with Smite, and you can skew towards later with reroll, as you need only an 8 on 2d6.

Magnus has 6 attacks. He hits pretty much always and is S16. He also can get more attacks on 6s, which is buffed to 5s with Prescience. although Infernal Gaze would be better given their invil.

Still, taking everything in account around thirteen killed sounds about right.

As for using 350pts to ward off 415pts units, well, that is obviously inefficient. You have to either group up your entire army and lose on points, or not group them up and have Magnus charge something else. Your expensive toys can only defend as small part of the board.

>>54474527

Smite has to target the closest unit tho

>>54475159

Not with their codex release desu

>>54481578
It's melee time.

>>54472497
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primaris_Space_Marines

What the fuck is this

>>54481467
At least it didn't pretend to be warmachine.

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>>54481562
Right. Time to mathhammer this out.

We'll assume he has the Prescience on, because he's fucking Magnus and he psyks like a boss.
Smite has a 41.66 chance of being 2d6, and you say he has a reroll.

That means that Smite will do 2d6 wounds 66% of the time, resulting in an average of 5.81 Mortal Wounds reduced to 3.87 by the FnP.
Magnus then charges in, swinging 7 times and hitting 35/36. 6.81 hits, plus 2.72 from 5+ DTTFE for a total of 9.53 hits. Wounds on 2+ for 7.84 wounds, then the 5++ save and 5+++ FnP cut that down to 3.53 kills.

Add that together with Smite and Magnus kills 7.4 Electropriests.

The remainder then hit back with 25.2 attacks, hitting 16.80 times and wounding 2.33 times after saves normally and causing 5.60 Mortal Wounds for a total of 7.93 Wounds.
Electros then lose an additional 2.9 bodies to Morale, leaving them with 9.7 alive and Magnus stuck in the middle of everything after they Fall Back.

I will admit, I assumed Magnus was rather more than 415 points given last edition he was what, 650? Still, the 20 Priests are great fun and very smashy, so I'm keeping them in there and they don't perform TOO badly against Magnus even without any melee buffs or Charge and with Magnus psyked up. Mechanicus groups up as a matter of course to take advantage of Cawl rerolls, so a big countercharge unit like that doesn't restrict me much anyway.

>>54472562
Oh 7th edition eldar?

>>54481859
How do you even get past the 20 Chad Marines that surround him?

>>54481859
>7.84 wounds, then the 5++ save and 5+++ FnP cut that down to 3.53 kills.
Each does flat three damage, so that's 5.22 with 3.7% to save them through FnP.

So around nine.

Still, that still doesn't address tactical concerns. Most dedicated melee units will do a lot of damage if they fight Magnus, and he is still one of the strongest units around. Being able to hit hard is hardly relevant when you will only ever get to swing when Magnus' player allows you to.

Still, it depends a lot on Smite roll.

>>54481967
>Still, it depends a lot on Smite roll.

Fuck, thought i deleted that part.

>>54481918
Magnus is charging in here, presumably with a Warptime longbomb, so they aren't involved. Fulgurites are serving strictly as countercharge, if Magnus wants to waste his vast expense standing back and tossing Smites at me he's welcome to. It hurts, but not as much as him coming in and smashing me in the face with his S16 AP-4 D3 sword would.

If Thousand Sons turn up with him and are getting into fights with the Fulgurites to save Magnus from them I'm pretty happy, since Rubric Marines distinctly dislike a melee unit that has a multi-damage weapon, deals mortal wounds and doesn't give a damn about how much AP your assorted weapons have. Scarab Occult fare a tad better, but not much and are rather expensive.

>>54481967

OK, I forgot that multidamage requires multiple FnP rolls, my mistake. Still, that's still leaving enough Priests (6.41) to hold Magnus with a comfy margin. The whole point of them existing is that if Magnus charges them, he's in the middle of everything and about to take a whole bunch of dakka to the face, and if Magnus charges something else they are going to leap on in there with a few more bonuses and kick the crap out of him.

Magnus is REALLY fast, but again, he needs to come to me. I'm not saying they're a universal Magnus counter, but they're good enough at the job to be included and force some counterplay.

>>54482027
>Magnus is REALLY fast, but again, he needs to come to me. I'm not saying they're a universal Magnus counter, but they're good enough at the job to be included and force some counterplay.

He really doesn't. If your entire army is withing protective range of a slow-moving unit, you will lose on objectives. If you try to go for objectives, Magnus will be capable of picking your units off.

And even without charging in, he can provide auras, capture objectives, Smite and buff stuff while your 350pts unit just sits around doing nothing. Like, his aura range is actually absurd, and Rubrics hitting on 2r1 are scary.

Like, there is a reason why he is a top tier unit.

>>54482105
Dragoons exist, they're my objective cappers and I don't really care if they die. Magnus is still really good, he's just less good with these boys around, and I'm MECHANCIUS, we're slow as balls anyway and quite low-tier now because we need to blob up and not get objectives, plus they stripped all our actually fun rules and nerfed our mediocre units even more.

Also, since when were Rubrics and in fact any TS unit aside from Magnus himself FAST? He's still really scary, but the priests make my main deathblob basically immune to assault and can always charge forward and draw some firepower. That's worth 320 points to me, especially when they do the same jobs against melee characters and units much less versatile than Magnus.

>>54474354
He was on a bike dumbtits

>>54478656
They're the most broken/undercosted unit in the game

Guilibob increases the damage of units in his aura by 80% at 3+/3+, double at 3+/4+, and 125% at 3+/5+. His own attack profile could be a conscripts and he would still be taken and 100% worth his points. Stormbolters do more damage to Predator tanks than plasma guns standing next to him. Somebody actually thought that was ok.

>>54481761
Where have you been for the past three months?

If you were to use your 3 extra free cp rerolls to reroll Guillimans failed 3++ saves, it would take around 40 lascannon shots to bring him down. An Imperial Knight takes about 26. His Hand of Dominion does 3 damage to a Predator while an Avenger Gatling Cannon does 3.5. The Emperor's Sword averages around 15.8 damage to the tank while a Reaper Chainsword does 8.89.

>>54484120
so basically hope you've captured or killed more of his guys by the end of turn 5?

>>54472497
To defeat the Gorillaman, shoot at it until it dies.

>>54484375
The only decent way to kill is to swarm him in melee. GK Strike squads with Falchions and Hammer Hand or Big Choppa Nobz are probably the best way. Problem is he makes machine guns hyper efficient with his aura. If he's hanging around Redemptor Dreads or twin AC Razorbacks or twin AC Ravens infantry will never get to him.

>>54484880
So charge at him with 2 transports filled with melee specialist and 2 dreadnought type guys?

>>54485906
That seems like a tad overkill for one dude to me, but I guess he is kinda mental.

Skitarii Transuranics look like they might do a decent job at chipping him down, two of them are basically a Sniper Autocannon (at least against him, where DD3 is statistically identical to D2 and AP-2 is half wasted because 3++). I plan on running 2x2, so maybe that'll help.

>>54475647
>>54475674

Theres nothing wrong with the geneseed of the traitor legions because there is direct evidence that some of the most significant actions of the Horus Heresy were by loyalists belonging to the traitor legions. Without them, the Imperium would not have survived and the Imperium would not benefit from the likes of great organizations today like the Grey Knights, the Red Scorpions, and the Blood Ravens.

Guilliman has a litany of good reasons for keeping them in storage. Although people assume its because of suspicions of corruption, there are other legitimate reasons to keep them in storage: chief among them the fact that their deployment would unveil the 10k+ year old lie that there were no traitor legions. There is also no reason to unleash a huge reserve of Astartes when the current deployment of Primaris has proven sufficient enough for the Indomitus Crusade.

>>54487141

The problem is theres no way to guarantee a kill on him unless you go overkill. And you're going to have to, since he will almost always come with a heavy escort.

>>54487340
Yeah, he's a pain in the ass, but at least you can damage him to make him easier to kill after the Kastelans And Friends peel away his escort. Once you see one expensive unit deploy you know where to place everything, since they're going to be balled up around him in the same way you ball up around Cawl.

Just wait until Horus gets resurrected.

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>>54479141
A unit that is ABSOLUTELY UNSTOPPABLE unless you re-design your entire army to take it out is not a balanced unit.

Not that 40k has ever been known for balance...

>>54482324
What difference does that make to Tau jet packs, Eldar jetbikes, flying behind impassible terrain, and impassible walls of free rhinos? Idiot.

>>54475148
Seconding this, exactly the same situation.

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I fixed him. But seriously, yes, this would be fair. Or give him 10 wounds and a degrading model. How can you not notice him on the battlefield?
Alternatively become a super powered god and destroy every new model GW produces, cause they do this shit to sell overpriced models.

>>54475148
>>54487908

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Chapter_Master_Smashfucker

>>54472497
Have your own Guilliman.

>>54488420
Shoo shoo, GW Jew.

>>54479284
Sniper rule specifically says you can, TRY READING THE RULES FOR ONCE.

>>54489465
Christ that reading comprehension. Public education?

When anon greentexted
>units and artillery that doesn't need LoS
He was referring to mortars, basilisks, etc which cannot target characters which are behind enemy units. Even with weapons that don't require LoS you cannot target characters unless they are the closest.

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I guess I could plink at him once his bubble wrap is whittled down.

>>54487318
>chief among them the fact that their deployment would unveil the 10k+ year old lie that there were no traitor legions.
>we call it the Horus Heresy
>yes, he was Warmaster
>and a Primarch
>BUT THERE WERE NO TRAITOR SPACE MARINES

>>54490292
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

>>54478806
Flying circus is BTFO

>>54490292
Traitor marines sure, traitor legions no. There were loyalists and traitors in every legion.

>>54490684
#NotAllWordBearers
#PrayForCalth

>>54490161
Whatever that thing is armed with I doubt it'll do much. What's that, two Hurricane Bolters and some kind of central cannon?

>>54472743
>It's so fucking frustrating playing against him with any close combat army.
I've seen him die to a random smattering of Tyranid shit. Just charge so you hit first.

>>54475159
>That seems completely fine considering that primaris units suck utter balls compared to normal marines competetively
Not as of the Codex they don't. The index were half-assed placeholder rules. Primaris are better now.

>>54472497
Demon Magnus owns him.

Soon to arrive new Abaddon will equal him.

Very soon to arrive Lion will surpass him.

Also, don't forget, it's rumored that 40K Russ and Turkscar are about to come back as well.

>>54472497
so according to simple proportions... Guilliman is literally 4 meters tall. Thats 13.1 feet.

What the fuck is Chaos Horus then? 16 feet?

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>>54472497
If only there was someone who could save us from this primarchy nonsense.

>Give Guilliman another wound
Problems solved. Yes or no?

>>54493681
Just double his cost I say

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Give him space bubonic plague
>ONE DAY MY PRINCE WILL COME

>>54492680
pls not

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>>54488011

>>54493681
probably? i mean if your whole army could shoot him at least you'd have a chance of killing him. although hes still cheap and tough enough to be a worthwhile distraction.
>>54493789
maybe like 550

>>54481331
My tactics were 50 billion starcannons and boxing warlocks

>>54492619
If you have the misfortune of finding a character of yours in close combat with a tyranid close combat unit, either a squad or a monstrous creature that character is in a whole heap of shit. Mostly because either you're going to get spammed with a 30+ attacks, or be taking high strength hits with AP-3 and either 3 or D6 damage.

>>54472497
>>54474527
>>54474789
>>54475631
>>54477192
>>54479774
The best option is just to use Magnus, fly right at him so he's the closest model to Magnus. Mega-Smite him, then use the other mortal wound power, then charge him, 7 attacks hitting on 2s at strength 16, after a shit load of mortal wounds from the powers. E-Z

>>54495662
Then he passes his resurrection roll, blasts Magnus with the help of all the nearby Ultramarines, charges and finishes him off in one go

>>54495686
Who on earth thought resurrection mechanics was a good idea. I kind of get it for Celestine, her being a saint and all but jheeze.

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Field a manta, and kick the flying stand out from under it when its near Bobby G.

>>54495765
Just looked at that on forgeworld. It's 12.5 fucking kilos!!!

Spess Muhreens best at everything? GW wouldn't do that.

>>54478714
My snipers have no fucking AP.

>>54495930
AP2's not much help against a 3++ model anyway

>>54492939
too bad you wont get him out of 30k

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>>54493905
I'm afraid.. all of us are getting BTFO'd.. by the smurf.

Played just him against 1500 points of Death Guard and killed every model except his warlord who killed me. I rolled a 2 on the respawn rule so stayed dead.

He's so overpowered its insane. Once more Primarchs are out it might be more fair, unless you play as a xeno race.

>>54495686
That why you fly in Magnus and some Daemon princes or disc Sorcerers so you kill him once in the psychic phase and then the second and final time in melee.

>>54496190
Even min-maxed chaos lists with Magnus aren't that great against him, he's just outright OP.

>>54496190
>Xenos race
Yeah, them plus Guard, Admech, Sisters, Scions, Inquisition, Renegades and Daemons. Probably Deathwatch and Grey Knights too, and Custodes if no Empy mini.

So basically fucking everyone apart from Marines and CSM, and while that is a lot of armies I suspect more people still play non-Marines than Marines. No, "ally in a Primarch" is not a fucking solution. I dislike herohammer, and it seems like 8e is just going to go straight for it. Balanced armies can't do fuck all about spam lists, the 300pt+ characters just lol through everything twice their cost apart from two or three specific units, etcetera. I'm liking 8e less by the minute, especially since they took all the fun out of my beepboops.

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>>54496286
>and Custodes if no Empy mini.
They don't really need to go that far.

>>54496356
He's not quite Primarch level in 30k, and apparently he hasn't done a huge amount since. I'd say he'd probably be on par with Cawl, except more choppy and less shooty and buffy.

Presumably a squad of 20-30 ork boys with Warbanner Nob and Weird boy buffing them could kill him. Or tie him down for a few turns

>>54496356
They don't, but they will. It's only a matter of time.

>>54496459
Well we know they will for 30k.

>>54492680
and if you don't want to play Spess Muhreens, then what?

>>54496782
Fuck you for buying the wrong army ;^)

Necron player here, haven't been able to do any 8th edition rounds thanks to a shitty summer job.

I've looked at the "codex" a bit, but I have no idea what I will field against this guy. What do you guys recommend?

>>54496286
stop fucking whining

the fluff is FINALLY moving forward and bitches like you are moaning nonstop

ingrates

>>54497527
No, YOUR fluff is moving forwards.
Fucking millenial.

>>54497527
I never wanted the fluff to move forward, because there was plenty of room and the new fluff is basically a superhero comic. Yes, I will complain if the Space Marine special snowflake Primarchs get rules that allow them to demolish an almost arbitrary quantity of conventional forces, because I want a BATTLE, not a bloody wrestling league.

>>54497527
Slamming on the acceleration after being still for so long is not an acceptable way of driving a car.

>>54497527
>the fluff is FINALLY moving forward
Do you count Into Darkness as being Trek too?

>>54497527
So you are a NuGW writer?

40k was a setting where stories happen.
The stories there had a plot. Not the setting.

Since NuGW writers are from 5th and 6th they didn't knew this and picture 40k similar to infinity or warmachine.
They totally forgot that one of the appeals of 40k was about "making your own dudes"

I'd be more than happy to see spinoff, like 40k speed racers, proper Necromudna, BFG, proper Space Hulk.

But GW seems obsessed with making "killer apps" Campbell's soup learn this was a bad idea decades ago.
When I say the GSC and AdMech stuff I honestly thought GW had learn, only to be punch on the dick with Primaris.

>>54497527
>the fluff is FINALLY moving forward

And just as predicted it goes full shit-flinging retard straight off the bat. Ain't for nothing that a lot of people were saying it shouldn't.

Not that this is really directly connected to marines getting an utterly fucking OP toy to play with, that's just you running damage control like an IJN carrier. A unit like this would be utter shite no matter how it fitted the fluff.

>>54497703
To be fair between the Red Waagh and Warzone Damocles there was an inkling as to what was gonna happen, the harlequin codex (and maybe some others) had some super-huge forshadowing as to things being shaken up very soon and then with Warzone Fenris basically being a rehash of William King's book, culminating in saleable units and then the first primarch..
I mean, sure they hit the pedal with the gathering storms and 8th, but you can't say there was no acceleration beforehand.

>>54497755
40k has been in the brink of extinction since for ever.
It was around 5th the meme of times show up telegraphed to sky high.

>>54476494
To attack, a model must be within 1 inch of the unit you're targeting, or within 1 inch of a model within 1 inch of the unit you're targetting.

>>54474738
Take a supreme command detachment of 5 farseers and you're golden

>>54479141
MtG has this interesting phrase called 'format warping', where a card is so powerful and so widely played that the meta shifts towards either playing or countering it.
anyway, cards that warp a format enough tend to end up banned in those formats, because they create an unhealthy and stagnant environment for the game, where if you aren't playing a deck designed to play or counter them, you've effectively lost before the game even began.

from what i've heard during this thread, it looks like mister roboto curlyman is powerful enough to be warping the meta towards either playing or countering him.
would that be right?

>>54498341
Hopefully he'll get a point increase like Razorwings and Purestrains

>>54498341
Well, I'd ban him in my games if you know what I mean.

Sounds like a job for (more than) a few deathstrikes, shame they're so annoying to fire now

>>54498341
Honestly format warping is the best phrase for him. Before 40K has had some BS but normally in the form of 'strong but spammable' or XStars with some form of building. Girlyman is strong out of the box AND acts as a force multiplier. If you ran any Ultra or not!Ultra army you'd be retarded not to take him.

>>54472497
if you play space marines, you might just pump 3d3 mortal wounds on him via the vidicator stratagem

>>54490732
Sending positive warp energy vibes your way, brother.

*Roboute Guilliman has changed his profile picture to a Cadian flag*

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>>54472497
>can't target Rowboat because your targetability is inexplicably bound to your wounds stat rather than by how fuckhuge you are

Fucking ridiculous. Should've just made it a keyword or something. Primarchs and Daemon Princes should not be able to hide from artillery because there's some manlet marine between them or whatever.

>>54496400
>He's not quite Primarch level in 30k, and apparently he hasn't done a huge amount since

Wait, is Valdor supposed to be still alive?

>>54495662
bubblewrap kills this plan pretty hard.

>>54499677
He should be dead because Captain General is different.

>>54497585
I feel that alot of people that use millenial as an insult dont know that it includes people born 1978 and later. Often including themselves without knowing.

Here's the strategy I employ:

1. Don't play in 40K tournaments; the game is not balanced well enough for that.
2. Ask opponent with Guilliman if they will accept a house rule to have his reroll mechanic change to just rerolling 1's on hit and wound for Ultramarines. If that works, play the opponent. If that doesn't work, don't play the person insisting on using Guilliman.

The buff is roughly an 80-116% effectiveness increase for every gun firing with rerolls to everything; it really isn't remotely balanced or fair.

>>54499586
CSM Princes can't be targeted, but CD Princes can. Bit of a weird discrepancy.

>>54499796
CD princes got errata'd to have the same wounds as CSM princes.

>>54499796
I think that got errata'd. All daemon princes should have 8 wounds.

(Not that a fucking daemon prince should be able to hide behind cultists, but 8th edition is fucking retarded in all new ways)

>>54499822
>>54499807
Ah, that's kinda lame.
I thought it was cool that there was a slight difference between some units depending on their faction, but I assumed most of that was just typos.

>>54499975
There is a slight difference. CSM princes don't get the god-specific abilities CD princes do and they have access to different spells.

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Alright guise, I figured out how to beat guilliman-- but you have to be a guard player.

You know how Guard use conscripts to "bubble wrap" shit they don't want to die? Well, do the same, but for shit you don't want to escape, so essentially bubble wrap around Bobby G and his bubble wrap, so that way they will spend the entire game popping your bubble wrap trying to escape-- meanwhile your army deletes his shit that is now separated from Guilliman.

This thread is so full of people bitching about Guilliman not being a simple distraction Carnifex. He might be good as of now, but I guarantee you that as more codices come out he won't be the top dog. On top of that, he's basically only viable in games 2000 points and up, lest your opponent wants a tiny army.

Also itt, people bitching about lack of combat tactics when the combat tactics are on-fucking-line free for anyone to read. I don't know why any of you take each other seriously when you can't even look at public information to educate yourselves on things.

>>54500201
Kek. I approve of this idea.
>>54500247
What combat tactics?

>>54500247
The new tactics in the Space Marines codex and the benefits that come with running the associated army, such as Deny the Witch for Black Templars that fucks over psykers hard and their charge buff, which is crazy fucking strong with terminators and other deep strikers and synergises amazingly with the combat loadouts for Crusader Squads.

>>54500201
How are you going to march a conscript blob close enough to bobby without it getting shredded by his entire army rerolling everything?

>>54500436
bodies my boy, endless bodies

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>>54500201

>that picture

Ugh. Conscripts should be immune to any sort of fearless or leadership boosting effects. I know you can't make a game with almost 20 factions neckbeard-proof but I'd like at least like to see conscripts nerfs, just like they did with the razorwings...

>>54500461

> Green
> Conscripts are not professional soldiers. They cannot be affected by Orders.

> Summary Execution
> Kill a model to remove the D6 from a Battleshock test.

If I've just rampaged through 30 of his mates, headshotting another one should mean diddly shit.

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This really sucks guys. Games Workshop has utterly destroyed the Dark Eldar.

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This is why my friends and I are just gonna stick with 2n-4th editions and never allow special characters.

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>>54500532

> I BOUGHT AND PAINTED 200 SWARMS IN LIKE A WEEK
> NOBODY TOLD ME THIS WOULD BE A BAD IDEA
> THIS IS GW FAULT

>>54500549

My league is having pretty good luck with 8th + a ban on Lords of War, SCs, and Forgeworld.

>>54472518
Only army wide if you fit your whole army within 6" of him

>>54500532
I mean, I can't see anything wrong with what he's said here. He's obviously coming from a place of "GW nerfed my army WAAAAH!" but he actually developed a decent perspective from it. I was working on a warcon, then 8th dropped. I then began making a stupid ork list with a grot HQ, then the most recent errata dropped. I mean, people who spammed acolytes when they had 3 wounds were shitheads, but imagine buying into 30 acolytes only for them to be nerfed into uselessness. Imagine buying 400 ork boys and spend the next 3 months painting them only for the codex to drop and they've doubled in price. I hate WAAC mentality, but a constantly shifting meta is bad for everyone in 40K as it means you can't even build a shitty fun army that lasts more than a month before the rules change. It'll hopefully slow down when the codices drop, but for the last while I've bought no 40k models at all, and no indices either, because anything you buy could be useless in a month.

>>54500532
>>54500867
>Buying models just in order toWAAC
>in warhammer
>complain your WAAC abuse gets nerfed

Why
Why do you even exist?

>>54500924
>buying models just in order to make fun army you like
>in warhammer
>complain after your army is made worse/unusable because tourneyfags

Yeah seems pretty reasonable to me. I'm not particularly annoyed about warcon myself, I only got halfway there, but if you drop hundreds on uncommon specialists models and then have them all invalidated, even if you were being a piece of shit about it I feel bad for you, this is an expensive hobby. SixTide players got two editions out of their cheese, they get no pity, but if somebody bought into a gun drone army and then they were doubled in cost or something I would feel bad for them. I hated MTG's shifting meta, although nothing 40K can do could be as bad as a standard rotation, because I make minimum wage (inb4 just stop being a poorfag), if I want to build an army it takes time, and planning purchases is futile if armies get regularly invalidated.

>>54472497
>Wanting our spiritual liege to beatable

>>54501076
>>buying models just in order to make fun army you like
>>in warhammer
>>complain after your army is made worse/unusable because tourneyfags
>made unusable
It literally never happened
the ONLY thing you got is a nerf to spam, waac lists
because OBVIOUSLY tyou bought 6 stormravens and nothing else just for fun, right?
You are just graspiong at straws with hollow semantic
If you spend more than 200 to buy a WAAC ONLY inb order to cheese and they nerf your list, you are the one at fault a thousand times and you should gently kill yourself for even thinking that you had any right to complain

>>54472796
>Playing side character races
Have you seen /tg/? Primarch drama is all anyone cares about.

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>>54500867
>Buying anything but models you think are cool and interesting.

>>54501127
Magnus dindu nuffin. Mortarian was just being a huge shitball like he always was.

>>54501124
Look, I've never bought 200 gun drones to win tourneys, and I think shitheads who do so are shitheads, I've made that clear anon. My point is, is that with the current state of new edition - indices - FAQ - another FAQ - codices, this has been an awkward time for hobbyists, as anyone who can;t impulse buy an army has no idea what to get, as any unit you like the rules of may well be useless in a month. Buying units you like only works up until a certain point, I used the new edition as an excuse, but now that I've bought Farsight, the ork nob with WAAAGH banner, and the Emperor's Champion, I'm back to army building again and I have no idea what to do. Tourneyfags get hit the worst with this, and that's why I sympathise with them. They're expecting their army to last two editions and it's not even lasting a month. A constantly shifting meta is just fucking awkward to work with for a hobby with 40K's time investment, so I'm waiting for my codices to drop before I buy anything else, so I can figure out what my armies actually need.

>>54501229
>as anyone who can;t impulse buy an army has no idea what to get, as any unit you like the rules of may well be useless in a month
You're completely retarded and you seem to have problems understanding the reality around youy, instead shifting it in your head to better accomodate your fallacies and mistakes.

Aka you're retarded and probably autist, just kill yourself

>>54501229
When has 200 gun drones every won a tourney.

fucking net listers are the dumbest fucks in the world.

>>54472497
Grim Reminder:
"If your opponent mentions Calth before you make any actions this turn, Guilliman and all his abilities are disabled until your next turn. If your opponent wants to use this special rule again he needs to add another word to the sentence (Calth was..) every time he does and repeat it correctly. If he fails to do so, this special rule can't be used by anyone until the end of the game."

>>54475150
>>54474773

you only get to deny on a 4+ once a psyker phase and at the cost of 1CP. it's pretty meh.

BT is essentially the space marine whipping boy since they lost their codex.

>>54498044
warlocks are cheaper at 33 points each.

>>54496433
In what universe will a full strength ork boyz squad with a banner ever make it into combat with him.

>>54500784
Not exactly an issue now that Templates are gone and you can just conga line a model to within 6'

>>54500643
Name some OP forgeworld models

>>54500643
sounds boring

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>>54500532
>people who play warmahordes already hate themselves
kek

>>54496137
Is that Griffith?

>>54475085
d6 on 6, fgt

>>54495662
And you only have to spend twice the cost of Girlyman while getting assfucked by the rest of Rawbutt's army. Excellent plan.

Stop playing 40k.

>>54500532
I will bite.

What did they do to razorwing spam?

>>54503388

Doubled in points cost and minimum size increased.
Each swarm is now 14pts.

>>54503388
Is reading so hard?

>>54501647
>Primarines launch
>Decide to get into marines with BT, converting primarines into big regularmarines
>Look through index
>1 unique unit
>okay
>Surely codex will bring back their identity
>1 crappy deny the witch stratagem that can only be used once per turn and fails 50% of the time
>Crappy relic
>Crappy chapter tactic
>that's it
>still no multipart intercessors
>no primaris upgrade sprues for anyone on the horizon
Guess I'm sticking to orks then.

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>>54500867
If you buy a shit ton of models within weeks of the new edition dropping you're beyond retarded. Anyone with half a brain knows that 40k is going through a teething period.

>but imagine buying into 30 acolytes only for them to be nerfed into uselessness.
They still have quarry, 2 attacks, can take as many special weapons as they want, and can ride in any imperial transport. I don't see why they couldn't be a useful supplementary force (which is what inquisition always was).

>>54503530
Ty
>>54503555
And yes. I retard

>>54503678
waiting sucks though anon. what's the point of the staggered release anyway?

>>54472497
You dont.

You retire until GW nerfs him, or releases something equally/more broken to counter.

>>54503298
>average of 3.5 wounds best case scenario
>relies on rolling a 6

wew

>>54472497
Heard Swarmlord senpai is marginally stronger than Rowboat...

>>54472497
>the best character dreadnought
>isn't even a dreadnought
Best part is I overheard a player saying FW characters dreads are op and he plays with gman.

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Can someone explain the WAAC attitude outside of a tournament where there is something to win?

I play games like 40K and video games to enjoy the process of testing things for myself and learning what works and what doesn't against competent opponents. The whole process is meaningless unless my opponent and I are on roughly equal terms. A slight advantage or disadvantage on one side is ok, but if it becomes too easy or too hard for me, there is no point in playing. But for these autistic sperginators, winning is it's own justification, even if you are just exploiting glaring imbalances in the game design.

Shouldn't a game be able the process of learning and improvement? Shouldn't a win only mean as much as the thought and skill you put into it? If I show up to a game, using a min-maxed cheese list that was probably made using ideas stolen from other people and effortlessly crush some randos in a game where there is no money to be won, what is the point? Are these people just hollow shells of human beings trying to find some meager form of fulfillment?

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>>54505121
>Shouldn't a game be able the process of learning and improvement?

I'm retarded, meant to say "about". Forgiveness plz.

>>54501229
stormravens didn't become useless. they are still really good for their points, but now you can't auto win with them.

tourneyfags getting shit on is the best thing that's ever happened to 40k. tournaments should be events where people take well balanced, take all comers lists, and actually try to outplay one another instead of just taking a shit on the table with whatever netlist is supposedly the best.

>>54505121
it depends really. I play using only models I like the look of, as that's always been my mentality. if I'm gonna play with toys I should be doing so because I like them. in 7th this meant getting my teeth kicked in over and over again because the models I like are vehicles.
in 8th however, im doing much better, but mostly because my opponents are bringing lots of infantry to kill other infantry lists, and haven't thought to bring enough anti vehicle for my list, and not because vehicles are op.

in this example, who's fault is it that I'm winning? mine for bringing the same shit I've always brought, or theirs for treating vehicles as an afterthought?

>>54495411
How'd you enjoy being rolled by anyone playing anything other than marines?

>>54481467
How's 7th treating you?

>>54505474
Theirs for treating vehicles as an afterthought.
Bam.
Next question.

>>54499728
Depends who you ask different groups have different generations some say I'm Generation Y others say Millennial. Also the whole generations thing is stupid, I was born in 86 according to some I'm a Millennial but thats crazy because my life was dominated by the growth of the internet just as I entered high school. The guys and girls hitting 18 now have only ever known the internet as the behemoth it is now. All the poor sods my age need a generation, Generation Piggy in the Middle. We got screwed by the mistakes of Generation X just as hard as the Millennials but have had to adapt in a way Millennials never have.

>>54497585
Our fluff is moving forward. Seriously it moves forward all the time or are you clinging to Rogue Trader as the sacred codex that cannot be changed?

stop bitching you cucks

GW is finally taking the story forward.

INCOMING PRIMARCH RETURNS:
,
- Lion
- Russ
- Sanguinius (The Truth is that he got Corrupted the Last Day and Emperor hid the truth, he returns as Daemon Prince Primarch)
- Jaghatai

Deal with it Chaos Cucks.

>>54499728
>Generation named for millennial change
>includes people who were adults before 2000.
>They could drink in the states when the year 2k rolled in
Actual millennial here, fuck off that 40yo noise.

>>54506803
>some say I'm Generation Y others say Millennial
That's the same thing

>>54506803
we grew up in that weird in between time when cellphones and payphones both existed. we remember pre 9/11.
fucking dial up using free aol discs.

remember the first matrix movie and how leather trenchcoats were super popular amongst certain groups for like 5-6 years afterwards?

>>54506936
nah. I don't want to be lumped in with millennial shits.

>>54506999
Exactly, it's ridiculous to treat us as the same generation as my Dad who is Generation X but just as stupid to treat us the same as a guy born in 2000.
Also implying that certain groups don't still find them cool.

>>54507018
Me neither.

>>54506803
>Also the whole generations thing is stupid
All systems of classification are blurry around the edges. This doesn't mean that systems of classification are stupid.

>>54505121
There's one kid I somehow get stuck playing against every time I go to my local games workshop. If you so much as measure the distance to one of his models he starts complaining and tells you to target the other person.

Pretty frustrating. I try to avoid him but every time he sees me setting up he asks to join and my opponent always says yes.

>>54507212
Yeah, I know the feeling.

Back in ~2002, my 12 year old brother was facing a 40 year old man at the FLGS. At one point my brother accidentally jumped the gun and declared shooting before he moved his last squad. When he realized his mistake the 40 year old man basically told him "tough shit" and proceeded to wreck him because the unit that didn't perform its move was supposed to charge into melee (a move that would have been game deciding.. potentially).

It would be 2nd nature for me to just give the kid a pass and make this a learning moment for him, but for this WAAC degenerate winning against a 12 year old kid was so important that he wouldn't even give him the slightest bit of leniency.

>>54507911
Treating 40K as anything other than beer&pretzels is being retarded. If somebody goes "Ah shit, forgot to move that squad of assault marines, would you mind if I did that now?", the ONLY acceptable response outside of a tournament would be "Sure, no problem man." If they're nearly finished their shooting phase and have been a total dick to you the entire game, you should still think "would that shooting phase actually go differently if those assault marines were 12" forwards." If yes, talk about it with your opponent, and only if they're a dick put the foot down. But having it done to you can only ever make a game feel worse, so don't fuck with other people for no good reason.

yes half the people at my college were like this and yes that's why I stopped going
seriously fuck you Andrew, perfectly happy to nitpick my turns yet raising a storm whenever I questioned your questionable at best understanding of the rules

>>54507911
>make this a learning moment for him
It was still a learning moment, wasn't it?

>>54506854
>GW is finally taking the story forward.
Only idiots ever wanted this.

>>54507911
>>54508051
eh, I dunno.

I understand the sentiment of not being a dick to someone young who's still learning the game. I'm generally pretty laid back about stuff like that.

but I've also seen the other side where some kid refuses to get the rules right, despite having played for more than a year, constantly going back and changing his decisions.
I mean forgetting to move a unit before shooting and going back and moving it is one thing, but I had a kid try to retroactively move a unit into cover 2 turns back, and he basically used the excuse that his big brother would have let him.

I let him do it and just made up excuses not to play him from then on out. at some point his older brother confronted everyone about it cause his younger bro couldn't find any games. we explained it to him and he took the attitude "he's just a kid, you guys are taking this too seriously" which we just responded by telling him it wasn't fun to play like that.

he and his brother ended up fucking off to another game store, much to the benefit of ours.

>>54508084
I guess he learned that winning is so important that you can take pride in a victory where your opponent having a memory lapse was more important than your own skill

>>54477236
Mm.. Bikes got a hard nerf to their defense, and kommandos lack puncturing capability so unless you were trying to hit him with lots of mini squads (PK and BurnaPW spam) I would cut some of his bubblewrap with dakka then (Da) Jump im wit manz or Da Boss and iz boyz