>Player wants to play a female character >character description

>>54449226
>guy with little experience with women makes a bad female character
Now tell me something I don't know

That does sound stupid, but I do like to encourage my players to give their characters some negative traits. PCs are often admirable in a few distinct ways, but all too rarely do I see PCs with actual human flaws.

>>54449818
whats wrong with "Guy Hero" unapologeticly optamistic hero of the land. Driving his party to near instanity with his heroic antics and no fucking off switch?

any examples of well-made female protagonists in action-based stories and games?

>>54449226
I see no problem, assuming he's not an SJW.
Reminds me slightly of PsG. I'd allow it, but keep my boots ready for kicking.

>>54450273
Ellen Ripley

>>54449555
>women don't make "bitchy" characters ever

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>>54449226
>Player wants to play a male character
>character description includes "douchey" as one of the main points
>"yeah, that's because he's an ALPHA male character!"

>>54449226
>primary negative characteristic is literally just a gendered slur
>strong female character

pick one

>>54450359
well, if bitchyness becomes the defining trait, then you not only have a character that actualy lacks in mental strength, but it manages to be both boring and tiresome, too

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>>54449226
>Player wants to play a female character
>character description includes "slutty" as one of the main points

sometimes i just want to play a character who is a bad person, op

>>54450622
at least be honest in your reasoning, then

>>54450024
Everything is wrong with that anon everything

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>>54449818
what if a player plans on playing an old lady Ozzy ripoff?

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>create bitchy female character
>it's a magical girl campaign
>because every schoolgirl anime needs a bitchy character
It's like you faggots don't even know how to create a character to fit the setting

>>54451102
+4 STR

>>54450398
/thread

>>54449226
how come that both right-wingers and sjw themselves always fall into this trap?

>>54450565
What's the other main point?

>>54450398
>written as a male role
>changed last minute because actor bailed
>the most literal form of "playing man. plus tits"
pottery

>>54453381
Well duh. Every strong woman character is basically just a stand in for a man.

She's an Ethical Slut.

>>54453381
What about Ripley in Aliens, where she was explicitly written as a female character?

>>54449555
I have like zero experience with women, but am great at playing one, so it's not really that relevant. If you are not a sperglord and have basic empathy, you should be able to understand the other gender. A bit of that and observation and there you go.

I also ooled people on multiple occasions that I personally am female (even when conversing with them or making online friends), because I wanted them to take my characters more seriously and not to judge me by playing the opposing gender. Before anyone asks, It was pbf.

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>>54449226
You can be strong, even a complete hardass as a female, and not be bitchy.

As evidence I cite The Boss, Metal Gear Solid 3.

>>54450024
heroic, overconfident and or arrogant, then either quirk or delusional maybe both.

Nothing wrong at all.

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>strong female is "bitchy"
Are strong male characters dickish? I like to think there are more types of strong male characters who are not dickish. Diskish is sorta the equivalent of bitchy.

I also like to think there are more female characters that are not bitchy.

I'm playing a determined and dedicated girl with lofty goals for the world but she's softspoken and kind. I like to think she's a strong willed person but she's cordial and polite in all her interactions.

I might be naive but I like to think that one's personality is not determined by gender.

>>54450273
Samus Aran! Emma Honeywell! Heather Mason! Jill Valentine! Elspeth Tirel! Commander Shepard! The Boss! Lady Maria!

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>>54450273
Major Kusanagi.

>>54453327
The tip.

>>54454511
The Boss is the best example of a strong female character. Samus too.

It's funny how we had way better female role models in the early 00s and late 90s than we do now despite being more 'progressive'.

>>54454659
>"""""FEMALE"""""
I'm pretty sure Motoko doesn't have a gender.

>>54454659
Maybe it's an inference on my part, but I'm under the impression that the Major was a male before upgrading to a cyber-brain. Or maybe it's just my sexism rearing its head.

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>player wants to play a character
>makes no description

>>54455841
She was born female, but she's been through so many bodies and cyberization that she's kind of lost touch with her humanity. It seems like she identifies more as a ghost than anything else.

>>54449226
Because there aren't a shitton of Bitchy characters in media. FFS, Warhamer Dwarves have an elite unit of Bitchy old fuckers!

Get over yourself and take the pussy down from the pedestal you dumbfuck.

>>54455756
It's almost like progressivism is inventing problems where they don't exist.

>>54455920
Is that actually stated anywhere? I'm not disbelieving you, I'd just like some certainty.

>>54449226
>Anon goes on 4chan
>Makes up story for attention
>"Yeah, this way I'll DEFINITELY overcome my lack of friends and damaged childhood!"

>>54456016
Not anywhere in particular, but it's the implication I got.

But I do know it's canon she was born female. In the Anime at least it was mentioned she was in an accident as a child and received full prosthetics. She also mentioned that when she got her first body she accidentally crushed a doll in her hands.

>>54455989
Or maybe you like it in the butt

>>54455756
>Samus too.
the baby.

>>54456107
We don't talk about Other M.

>>54456049
Wait, I'm confused. What about his story is unbelievable?

>>54453381
>>54454389
Ellen Ripley is a great example in all the movies mostly because of Weaver owning the role. Maybe she was written as a man with tits, but she's far from one in Alien, and distinctly feminine in Aliens (I would argue in Alien as well due to the complexity of her relationship with her ex)

>>54455756
>>54456107
Samus and Boss both started out as good but were kind of fucked over by later games. The comics (which many autists screech are non canon) portray a great Samus.

>>54454366
What does this even mean?

How do you hide the scent of menstruation from monsters?

>>54456580
Mint leaves in the undergarments.

>>54456656
How do you hide the scent of mint?

>>54456580
Why would you ask this question?

>>54449226
birb girl is cute. CUTE!

>>54456236
Only fucks free-range Chads.

>>54456824
With somebody else's menstrual blood.

>>54456913
It's amazing how much more popular shoebill is than most other characters

>>54451481
+4 to raping crossdressing shota
+4 to being cucked by your best friend by a shota
+4 to beating up little kids

>>54457025
It's the awkward kuu-dere/tsun-dere thing

>>54454414
>If you are not a sperglord and have basic empathy, you should be able to understand the other gender.
And that's why women don't understand men: Because they lack empathy for men.

>>54456860

I'm a fiend for details.

>>54457098
>>>/pol/

Fuck off with your off-topic virtue-signalling.

>>54457122
>/pol/
Are you kidding? /pol/ favors traditional gender roles, which only reinforces a lack of empathy for men. Supporting empathy for men is anathema to both /pol/ and feminism.

>>54449226
I've seen this person in porn Is the base show worth watching? Or is it just another flavor of the season deal with no substance and all waifus?

>>54457186
>Supporting empathy for men is anathema to both /pol/
True fact, though they probably wouldn't agree.

>and feminism
You've been listening to some terribly shitty feminists, then; though the focus of the movement is obviously on men and not women (it's in the name), better discourse and empathy between genders is a goal of most feminists I've encountered. I'd like to say that most of the feminists you've seen have been cherry-picked for awfulness (this is 4chan), but my experiences aren't yours, so I can't say for sure.

>>54457449
>though the focus of the movement is obviously on men and not women
read that as "women and not men", obviously

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>1-dimensional trait
>strong character

>>54457509
Some (silly) people believe that a "strong character" is defined exclusively by in-story strength, whether physical, magical, or emotional. To be fair, the term's name can be a bit misleading; a true strong character possesses agency and depth, but need not have in-story "strength" of any sort.

The only non-shit female character I've ever seen was a female don quixote who was an old lady thinking she was a femme fatale.

>>54457560
The only one ever, anon? What is it about most other female characters that you find so offensive?

>>54457547
I definitely agree my go to in this is comparing Rey from Force Awakens to Princess Buttercup.

Rey:
-Capable in various fighting methods
-Ace pilot
-Natural Force aptitude
-Only emotional trait is 'muh abandonment complex'

Buttercup:
-Literal Damsel in Distress
-Either kidnapped or lock-up the whole story
-Tries to reconcile guilt over moving on from most likely dead lover
-Tries to escape kidnappers
-Goes into incredibly dangerous swamp besides being an entirely normal noblewoman
-Catches when other character lie to her
-Pushes back against circumstances
-Would rather die than be married off when its proven her lover was alive (though she's believes he's been killed again)

Rey is by far the more active character, yet Butter cup is far more complex, interesting and is just as capable even though she is entirely unable to change her circumstances via sweet action moves.

>>54457449
>better discourse and empathy between genders is a goal of most feminists I've encountered
That's what they *say*, but it's not backed up by their actions.

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>>54449226
I make all of my characters asexual-ish, even if they're male. Romance is not my thing because I don't know how the fuck it works.
Whenever I make a female character, I just make a male character, but with less assertiveness and tenacity, and more common-sense and carefulness.

>>54456580
I know how menstruation of humans came to be, but why does it have to be this way? pic related

>>54456236
I think it means she (or he) doesn't cheat with others or convince people to make bad or reckless decisions.

>>54457449
>You've been listening to some terribly shitty feminists
They tend to be very loud compared to the rest, and some are even influential in some significant places despite their erroneous claims and antipathetic rhetoric.

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Until Return of the Jedi.

>>54457753
Again, you've had run-ins with some bad feminists. The fundamental goal of feminism is equality and understanding between men and women.

>>54457798
>They tend to be very loud compared to the rest
The most unpleasant members of any group tend to be the loudest, since they find it harder to get anyone to listen to them.

>and some are even influential in some significant places despite their erroneous claims and antipathetic rhetoric.
Some, yes, but they're still doing better than a lot of movements—look at MRAs, for example. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, but we shouldn't let it obscure larger ones.

>>54457929
>Some, yes, but they're still doing better than a lot of movements—look at MRAs, for example. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, but we shouldn't let it obscure larger ones.
That sentence was shit. Let me break down what I meant:

- As a whole, feminism has a better ratio of good actors to bad ones then, say, the Men's Rights Movement, which is a toxic mess
- Though bad feminists do exist and do wield some amount of influence within the movement, we should not look at them and say "wow, fuck feminism, let's just ignore all feminist issues forever"; rather, we should debate the bad apples and support key feminist concepts (e.g. equality and understanding between genders) wherever we can, along with the movement itself

>>54457887
RIP

>>54457988
>As a whole, feminism has a better ratio of good actors to bad ones then, say, the Men's Rights Movement, which is a toxic mess
The MRM is only a "toxic mess" if you believe the feminist characterization of it, which is based entirely on groups like r/TheRedPill, whose members are traditionalists, not MRAs.

>>54458170
Please show me a subgroup, website, etc. you consider to be representative the Men's Rights Movement.

>>54449226
This is what follow up questions are for.
"Define Bitchy as it applies to your character and explain how it makes them strong."
"Bitchy? as in she complains constantly? This is supposed to give her an impression of strength?"
"What does strength mean to your character?"
"What was a moment of personal failing for your character and how did it effect her?"

You have avenues to use to achieve your goal if you just use them.

>>54458230
Actually, I'm going to sleep now, so you might not want to bother.

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>>54457988
>>54458170
>>54458230
>>54458241

>>54457929
>you've had run-ins with some bad feminists
AKA the nu wave feminists who dominate the current scene in the west, have been disavowed by the European feminists, and are precisly what you think of when you think of tumblr.

Bad actors in the feminist movement are more dangerous than their counter parts on the mens side, because "feminist" itself is a badge that suggests progressivism, nobility, and persistence. A "Mens Rights Activist" on the other hand is a bleeding heart pussy (part of the foundational challenge mra's struggle with) at best, or a toxic mysoginist at worst.

Feminists are good people with a few bad eggs. MRA's are bad people with a few good eggs. Do you see the disparity?

>>54458255
I liked Porkins.

>>54458255
Friendly reminder this faggot DIED five seconds later

>>54458292
>Feminists are good people with a few bad eggs
I really doubt that. Feminism definitely used to be a just cause based on equality, but unless you're going for a No True Scotsman it's definitely the majority of them that are bad eggs. My grandmother was a big feminist when she was young and has since disavowed the entire movement because it got usurped by third-wave feminists who think females should get special treatment instead of just equal treatment.
Of course I don't expect to have prolonged rational discussion with anyone who uses the phrase "toxic misogynist" without a hint of irony.

>>54458315
>without a hint of irony.
you didn't read my post very well then. My very point was the double standard where feminists are given the benefit of the doubt, and the implication of being 'noble progressives' while MRA's are immediately labeled the opposite.

>>54458230
Gentle femdom threads. In the interest of >>54458255, I'll leave it at that.

Because sometimes, just sometimes, even SJW can be redeemed. And some men are crazy or brave enough to try.

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Shoebill is cute! CUTE!

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>>54458343
My apologies then, I understand now that you were discussing public reception of feminists and MRAs, not stating how you believe them to actually be.

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>>54458255
>>54458292
>>54458315
>>54458343

>>54458345
>he's asked for a subgroup of good actors in the MRA movement
>replies with a literal fucking /d/ thread group

are you fucking taking the piss m8

>>54458301
That would not happened if they told Porkins that the deathstar was a huge meatball.

>>54458365
Porkins died BECAUSE he stayed on target. If he had loosened up like his co had suggested, he wouldn't have died.

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>>54458345
Shit! Now I want you to elaborate, but it would be hypocritical of me to ask you to go on a tangent.

>>54456209
What did you find great about the portrayal of Samus in the comics?

Personally, I found her fragility and instability incompatible with the experiences she had. However, that is my opinion and could be influenced by the quality of translation.

>>54458417
The general ethos of gentle femdom (going against traditional roles, men having inherent worth, giving men the same empathy and compassion people give women) lines up very well with MRA philosophy.

>>54458384
You've got your squads mixed up. It was Gold Leader who told his guys to loosen up, and Gold Squadron who paid the price for not doing so. Porkins was in Red Squadron.

In fact, "Stay on target", or any variation of it, doesn't belong in a picture of Porkins.

Actually, the advice given to Porkins was quite stupid: "Eject!"

Eject. Over the fucking Death Star. Which was either about to be destroyed or about to destroy the Rebel Alliance. So Porkins would either have died in the Death Star's explosion or suffered a fate worse than death when the Imperials picked him up, assuming they didn't just leave him to die in space.

>>54458450
big talk from a little piggy that wants to grind his cock on the soft soles of my feet

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>>54458450
>The general ethos of gentle femdom

I don't understand why I like it so much, it's not even some kind of sexual appeal for the most part. I'm also by no means a gender egalitarian.

>>54458524
You'd know how idiotic this statement was if you actually knew anything about gentle femdom.

>>54458639
Well, I *do* find it sexually appealing, and I *am* a gender egalitarian.

>>54458639
Everyone wants to feel loved and appreciated, Op. Even the strongest man has feelings inside. Our current concept of masculinity is the Byronic hero, who struggles with these flaws and the internal turmoil between his all too real, raw emotions, and his external stoicism as a man and a gentleman

When confronted in real life however, people realized they had forgotten something very important from Jane Austin's books - Byron was fucking insufferable and it was only due to the saint like patience of the protagonist she dragged him kicking and screaming into being an adult. It turns out hard relationships actually ARE hard, and one half of any relationship being as emotive as a potato is not fun for either side. So women complained men didn't express themselves enough - and now that men do, they complain they aren't masculine enough.

>>54458744
oh fuck off /pol/

everything isn't a huge conspiracy by the communists, you fucking mong

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>>54458744

>>54458744
>muh pol buzzwords

>>54456999
underrated post

>>54450273
Sarah Conner from Terminator
Miss Belle from Powerpuff girls (before CN got rid of here in the new version)
Katara from Avatar
Storm from the X-Men
Carmen Sandiego
Celeste from Final Fantasy VI
Faris from Final Fantasy V
Dagger and Freya from Final Fantasy IX
Samus Aran, as portrayed in the Metroid manga post-character development and defeating Ridley
Sharla from Xenoblade
Marona from Phantom Brave
Mulan
Rosette from Chrno Crusade
Utena Tenjou from Revolutionary Girl Utena
There's probably a million other female characters I'm missing from my childhood memories as well, but that's what comes to mind

>>54458440
She starts out fragile, yet by the end she has defeated MBrain and Ridley she has dealt with much of her inner demons and progresses as a character to the eventually the hardened galactic hunter we know, especially after deciding to take the spirit of Grey Voice to heart and finally decided to devote herself to being the hero that the Chozo meant for her to be.

Basically, it's does what Other M failed to do, is 100times better at it, has actual progression of her character, and takes place in a time scale that makes sense

>>54458744
>It was always just a poison pill created by the Frankfurt School
And you lost me

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>>54458921
How do you feel about the other manga? 4-koma doofus Samus, murderhobo Episode of Aether Samus, and larger-than-life Samus and Joey Samus?

>>54459127
Never read them unfortunately. Was too busy getting into Vinland Saga afterwards

>>54454659
the major is such a mary sue

>>54449226
My favourite take on strong female character is someone with a strong sense of motherhood, but I can't say that without getting people angry.

For what it's worth my favourite take on a strong male character is a strong sense of fatherhood.

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>>54459158
Entirely understandable. Vinland Saga is some good shit.

Was merely curious because to me they present some decent contrasts to the official manga's portrayal, mostly Episode of Aether and Samus and Joey. Episode of Aether's portrayal seems, fittingly, closer to how the scant characterization she received in the Prime trilogy was handled, but with emphasis on how fucking terrifying she can be. Less focus on the inner demons and character development and more how the rest of her universe reacts to her (speaking honestly it's given me ideas on NPCs reacting to player shenanigans that I couldn't help but reference subtly). Contrasting that is Samus and Joey's portrayal, larger-than-life, grizzled veteran action hero that gets a sidekick. Character development is different from how the official manga handles it, but it's fairly organic. More of a "Batman" Samus.

>female character concepts
super sneaker who often has trouble communicating ideas, but is pretty good at using magic devices, disabling traps, and practices kung fu every day. Willing to sacrifice for friends and family but has a hard time making new friends. Has a slight obsession with dragons.

Magical half-elf sanitation magus with a serious chip on her shoulder. Fights with a (sometimes magical) staff but uses magic for everything else. Likes art, and architecture, and making enough money from adventuring to not have to go back to semi-hard labor. Drinks a lot of wine but isn't picky about it, and rarely gets hammered.

Chaotic neutral elven trapper who wanders the land doing whatever seems interesting, a lot like both her parents did at her age. Pretty good with a short bow and an arming sword. Always carries rope. Originally hired by an adventuring party as a guide through a forest, but tagged along after they talked about the excitement adventuring offered.

would any of these be considered 'strong'?

>>54458744
This shit is why we won't actually beat progressives and their bullshit. People like you are the majority of the opposition. Retards who believe in the academic equivalent of the illuminati.

>>54459612
>He doesn't believe in the Illuminati.

I don't think you're on solid enough ground to be calling anyone else a retard anon.

>>54459708
>he doesn't believe in one of many overly simplistic explanations for geopolitical activities

Yeah I'm a retard.

>>54459911
>Overly simplistic explanations have no sybolic worth or value as easily digestable ideas.

Yes you are a retard.

>>54449226
I think this is probably less the player's fault and more the media that they have been exposed to.

>>54450565
tbf it's not like people dont make slutty af male bards.

>>54457241
It's CATastrophe in anime setting. AOTY, except for maybe Made in Abyss.

>>54454659
She's a bitch, a cold bitch, but a bitch nonetheless.

>>54457449
>You've been listening to some terribly shitty feminists
That is however how the rest of humanity sees your movement , maybe you ought to spend a bit of time in sef-refelction.

>>54458343
>My very point was the double standard where feminists are given the benefit of the doubt, and the implication of being 'noble progressives' while MRA's are immediately labeled the opposite.

As a movement, feminism has accomplished much; furthermore, women are still suffer various disadvantages compared to men. MRAs, on the other hand, spend most of their time bitching about women, feminism, etc., and have accomplished nothing of value.

>>54458345
>going against traditional roles, men having inherent worth, giving men the same empathy and compassion people give women

You know, I agree with all of these things, but the only male-focused group I've seen that focuses on them was /MensLib/ on Reddit (boo, his, etc.)—and one of that group's fundamental principles is "yo, feminism is cool."

>>54461213
If you think feminism is that wholly unpopular, it's you who's delusional.

>>54459510
Sure. The first one seems the weakest, but overall sure.

shit that didn't fuckin' happen.

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>>54457509
I know, right? You need at least two.

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>>54458524
>my fetish is most commonly associated with beta subs
Fuck.

>>54462495
>women are still suffer various disadvantages compared to men
Such as retiring earlier or having priority in court settlements?

Or are you going to complain about the so called wage gap, ignoring that women usually work less hours than men?

I like how you say MRA didn't accomplish a thing, when they have finally making a push to change some outdated conceptions such as that women need alimony.

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>>54454608
>Commander Shepard
>A character who is just as likely to be male or female

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>>54462612

>>54462495
Not wholly unpopular per se, but the movement does seem to be garnering a bit of a bad reputation as of late. Especially with the latest adult generation.

>>54449226
One of my players do this all the time. And she is a girl.
>Created at least 4 characters
>All have the same bitchy selfish personality and like to pick on others characters, specially on NPCS
>Group ends up acting cold to her characters
>Bitches about her character being strong, independed, kind and charming woman and how nobody likes her character for no reason

It could be fine if she just wanted to play a jerk, but she isn't, and I feel disturbed a lot.

>>54462495
I used to be pro feminism a few years back when the most recent push was just getting started, but then I actually did some research into what was going on.

>women are still suffer various disadvantages compared to men
Many feminists complain about the patriarchy, rape culture or the wage gap, but none of these things actually exist.

First of all women aren't excluded from politics, there are less women involved, but I'll get to that in a second. Not only that, but in my upbringing in the Deep South, it was my mother, not my father who made the majority of the family decisions; not because my dad is some kind of beta, but because he believed that marriage was a partnership and he was more comfortable making the financial decisions than the day to day family rearing ones. Furthermore, almost every single other family I saw growing up had a similar divide of power between husband and wife. This is not a patriarchy.

Second, rape culture is not a thing and anyone who insists it is a thing is either delusional, overly sensitive, gullible, or dishonest. A rape culture would imply that rape is either largely ignored or celebrated by our culture, but evidence clearly shows that this is not the case. People have lost their futures because someone accused them of rape. Rapists should be punished, but the entire American justice system is based around the concept of innocent until PROVEN guilty. People accused of rape start getting punished before being proven guilty by society, this is the exact opposite of a rape culture.

Third, the wage gap is a myth. Simply put, when you adjust for position, hours worked, and number of raises obtained (which the study that most parade around didn't do) most unbiased studies found that women make on average 5% more than men. Another study has shown that women who ask for raises get them at the same or higher frequency than men. The real issue is that women don't ask for raises and trend away from high paying fields.

>>54458372
To be fair, a board based about slapping dicks on everything kinda keeps away a lot of people with hangups about gender.

Though unironically mentioning it as a representative of good actors in a move meant makes me laugh so much I lost my boner.

>>54464603
So, why the belief that the patriarchy exists, that we live in a rape culture, or that women make 85 cents on the dollar to men? Society and a misunderstanding on what equality should look like. Many people seem to think "If we had a truly equal society then men and women would be somewhat equally represented in most if not all careers and politics, since this is not the case we must have not yet achieved equality." This line of thinking is wrong though, equality simply means that there is equal opportunity, i.e. a woman who wants to succeed in politics has the same chance as a man who has the same connections and qualifications. So why don't we see more women in STEM and politics? Girls just don't want to go into those fields. Now some may claim that this is because of subtle brainwashing from our society or culture and they do have an argument, but people largely see more women in STEM and politics as a good thing. As evidence you need look no further than 15 years ago when major pushes were made by feminists to get girls interested in science and politics were being made. Society had no problem with these pushes and even celebrated them. It wasn't until about 2012 when the rhetoric started that they saw any opposition.

Finally, the rape culture myth is probably the saddest. People believe we live in a rape culture because women don't report that they were raped until far, far too long after they were raped for there to be any evidence left. This is the downside of "until proven guilty." When no evidence is left the criminal cannot be proven guilty, and under our justice system must go free. Where justice is concerned exceptions cannot be made, and therefore jailing someone before they were proven guilty would rob millions of Americans their freedoms and would give corrupt politicians and corporations yet another tool to keep Americans in a stranglehold. If you or someone you know was or ever is raped, report it immediately.

>>54450359
The bitchiness isn't the issue to me, character flaws are fine. The problem to me is that the player seems to equate bitchyness with a strong female character, which is dumb. You can make a strong, independent female character and have her not be a bitch.

I made a female character and role a dice to determine her personality every day or session. She can be Caring, Spiteful, Sassy, Bossy, Victim and I forget the 6th. Works great.

>>54449226
I hate this too. I hate imbeciles who think that being rude and annoying is somehow a "strong" character trait. If anything, it's the sign of a weak character with an inferiority complex that is overcompensating. It's the same with men as it is with women.

People who are really strong don't complain to others to fix problems, they fix it themselves. If they have a problem with someone else, they remove them from their life, not passive-aggressively harass them. They aren't pointlessly aggressive, they are respected naturally for their confidence and clear vision.

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>>54464603
Western women are literally the most pampered group in the history of mankind, given fine clothes by their husbands, not having to work, not having to go to war, not really having any obligations to society, but reaping all the benefits.

The fact that they can scream oppression (usually while naked) and be taken seriously is just further proof of this.

>>54464950
>not having to work
I didn't know baby boomers went on 4chan.

>>54464984
With women in the workforce, hypothetically, the amount of available labor becomes doubled. This should hypothetically cut the value of labor in half. I say hypothetically, because in reality the numbers aren't like this, but the principle still holds.

So if all women were married and worked, that would provide the same household income as if all women were married and -none- worked; because in the latter case, their husbands would be earning double.

So women collectively wanting to work just means that they'll have to work, and not see any benefit from it. Good job feminists on shooting yourselves in the foot. At least the 1% financial investment class is wealthier now because of you. Meanwhile, birth rates continue to decline because women are naturally hypergamous and aren't attracted to men who are on the same or lower social status than them; and careers get in the way of women raising a large family.

>>54463466
Playthroughs are pretty different depending. The VA's are pretty different and your interactions with the crew and important characters are pretty different. Don't misinterpret the overall plot being the same with the journey being the same. FemShep is a pretty good female character.

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>>54458255
That line was said by this guy, not Porkins

>>54465159
>With women in the workforce, hypothetically, the amount of available labor becomes doubled. This should hypothetically cut the value of labor in half.
I'll address this later.

>I say hypothetically, because in reality the numbers aren't like this, but the principle still holds.
What are the numbers like, then? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they're nothing at all like what you're suggesting, or you'd have mentioned them.

>So if all women were married and worked, that would provide the same household income as if all women were married and -none- worked; because in the latter case, their husbands would be earning double.
Except that the workforce would in all likelihood be too small if no women worked; unemployment isn't 50%, last I checked.

Two final points:
- Why is it women who should be banned from working and not some other group that makes up half the population—like, I dunno, people with IQ > 90? (To be clear, I don't support preventing that group from seeking employment, either.)
- By denying women the right to self-determination, you're infringing on their fundamental freedoms. If you don't believe that everyone should be born with the right to self-determination, you're a fucking moron and I'm not interested in debating you.

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>>54466563
Take this to /pol/ if you want to debate off-topic.

But in brief,
>What are the numbers like, then?
Real wages tanked and remained stagnant, while the economy continued to grow. This is also in part because of foreign labor.

>Why is it women who should be banned from working
1. The family is the smallest possible social unit capable of carrying on civilization. It is composed of a man and a woman, with the woman being supported by the man. If you just had low-IQ people who couldn't work, many wouldn't be supported by anyone.
2. The man is necessary to support the woman because the woman is necessary to support the children. Biologically, women have breasts, which is nature's way of saying they need to look after the children. Also, women are more suited psychologically, etc.

>muh freedom
Freedom to do what? Sit behind a desk for half your waking life?

What about freedom to stay at home and look after children? If women need to work, they can't do that. What about the children's right to dedicated parenting? If women need to work, that has to be sacrificed as well.

There's no "freedom". Either women need to work for their family to survive or they don't.

>>54467417
>The man is necessary to support the woman because the woman is necessary to support the children.

Not the other autist you've been arguing with, but this topic interests me.

Honestly I've noticed a large trend of single fathers and "house husbands." Earning potential for women in most fields is higher (women are naturally more sociable, doted on, and or can use their sex appeal), and women just topped men in college degrees earned. In a few decades, if this trend continues, we might see a reversal of men and women sterotypes in the workplace. Men are fully capable of staying home and taking care of the children both mentally and physically. Mentally the only reason men are usually seen as bad care takers is due to society's need to push a stoic personality on men, and formula has erased the need for a physically present woman to feed their children. Even if you are against the use of formula, the demand for wet nursing has sky rocketed in recent years and you can buy breast milk online. (I know of at least three women in my social circle who wet nurse or sell milk on the side.) So the demand for working men has not only dropped due to women entering the workforce, but the (often literal) demand for women to stay at home has all but disappeared from polite society.

>>54467417
>which is nature's way of saying they need to look after the children
Fuck that. Since when have humans ever taken orders from "nature"? We might as well go back to being hunter-gatherers in Africa if we're going to let THAT limit us.

>>54467931
>Mentally the only reason men are usually seen as bad care takers is due to society's need to push a stoic personality on men
Society's been trying to create a bunch of nu-males lately though.

>>54469458
That's an unintentional (yet not unwanted) byproduct of breaking down male-dominated thought processes and building up (glorifying, really) the feminine. People are becoming NuMales not because society is telling them NuMale lifestyle is great, but because society has simply stopped telling men what makes a man.

Want a prime example? Beards. The moment society and Western culture even SUGGESTED beards were manly, every man between Seattle and New York were trying to grow one. This is a sort of thirst for a "guideline to being a man" we haven't seen in ages.

>>54469632
>(yet not unwanted)
Speak for yourself asshole, I don't want a generation of pussies taking care of me when I become old.

>>54469632
>Beards.
Reading this as I'm pondering feasibility of erasing my facial hair permanently sure has some irony.

>>54470017
>Speak for yourself asshole

I'm saying our current society is completely fine with this happening, not that I personally like it.

>>54470204
Oh. This is the second time I have misinterpreted an anon's post in this way, I apologize for continually jumping the gun and not properly inferring what perspective you're writing your posts from.

>>54449226
I don't see a problem, most "strong" male protagonists are nothing more than overly aggressive assholes. The bitch archetype follows suit, wouldn't you agree?

>>54471024
You say "aggressive," I say "assertive."