/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

So why the hell does anyone, ever, use any Sphere other an Entropy?

>>54440688
What's a sphere? What's entropy?

>>54440688
It's more fun to set someone on fire with actual fire then via bad luck.

>>54440695
>What's a sphere?
Discount Arcanum.
>What's entropy?
Discount Death.

>>54440703
Fair enough, but I'd argue that being able to bad luck a table into existence is better.

>>54440695
>>54440703
I will say those, one of my favorite cMage character was my Ent+Time focused Iteration X battle waifu.

What's a good way to get/make maps for small cities/large towns? I'm getting ready to run a game where two large vampire families are going to be the only known vampires in town and I want to be ready if one of the players asks for a map.

>>54440892
>What's a good way to get/make maps for small cities/large towns?
1. Get a piece of paper (or open paint if the game is online).
2. Think about the area your game is set in.
3. Draw shapes according to what you thought about.
4. Label shapes.

Seconding the OP question too

Reminder that Werewolves don't matter and never did.

Gaia is dead. Get over it.

>>54440659
>What is the appeal of Werewolf the Apocalypse?

There's a few different layers. The first and most obvious is the strong environmental message - it's frustrating as fuck if someone recycles, reduces their carbon footprint, etc. etc. and then gets confronted with industry and commerce acting like clean drinking water and oxygen are nothing important. The rage and combat capacity of the Garou allows for emotional catharsis.

Second, the spiritual aspect - the game has a complex take on animism, reincarnation and the idea that all things have a spiritual reflection. Given that many have lost way with organised religion and it's representatives, it posits a world were the spiritual, the religious, cannot be denied.

Also the tribal identity aspect; Urban primitive culture; The fact certain tribes are tied to certain ethnic cultures and places, allowing for nationalists; the warrior culture, straining for Glory, Honor and Wisdom in a haze of righteousness...

oh yeah, and a bunch of other changing breeds for fans of other animals.

If you've ever wanted to beat drums around a fire to a Sepultura album, or dealt with anger and depression issues, enquire with your ST if Werewolf is the right drug for you.

>>54440723
Entropy isn't simply the energies of death, it also seems to involve elements of chance or "luck". It's the most subtle way to cheap at Craps.

>>54440892
Contact the tourist bureau or chamber of commerce in the city in question, ask them to send you a map. Most tourist pamphlets and maps are given away for free, or for pocket change.

>>54441556
If Gaia was dead, you would be too. You are part of Gaia, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

>>54441986
Fuck off hippy

>>54442198
I'm not going anywhere, and you can't make me. :)

>>54441986
No. This world is dead. Gaia has fallen, choked by the Weavers webs and the Wyrm's fluids. We are living on a corpse whose rot substains those that have supported the rights side. Join now.

>>54442281
HA! And here people accuse the Mages of hubris!

Gaia cannot have fallen. The biosphere has not collapsed and we are all still alive. Even if you succeeded in fouling the nest so badly you kill all humanity in the process, the planet will recover in a few dozen centuries and a new species will claim the rubble of your civilization. You are a speck in the eye of eternity. Your attempts are nothing. The Great Wheel will turn once more. The Mokole remember.

Fucking LARPers. It's like having Jim Profit back.

>>54441855
>What is the appeal of Werewolf the Apocalypse?
>There's a few different layers

So, it's a game for bitter, furry-loving hippies who support eco-terrorists.

Glad we cleared that up.

>>54440659
Furries, mostly. And the potential of yiff fiction

So Werewolf is just a game for angry treehuggers and neopagan furries ?
Honestly, by any right, werewolves should have been the first supes to go extinct and I don't even see the point or logic of playing them in modern WoD games
Maybe Dark Eras or Dark Ages, but even then, by the 19th century, most of them are fucking done, at least in Europe
Some might subsist in parts of the globe that remained wild but inserting them in cities and in WoD-type intrigues seems a bit absurd

>>54442456
Take your hormones, Tequila, you're being a bitch again.

>>54442456
>>54442499
>>54442500

>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
>IT'S STUPID BECAUSE I HATE IT
>MY STUFF IS AWESOME BECAUSE I LIKE IT

Wow, is it Summer Holidays already?

>>54442560
Found the furry

>>54442560
>point out design flaws
>"U R MEANIES GB2 SKOOL"
ok kid

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>>54442425
At this point I genuinely feel most of you would only be happy if we stopped having /wodg/ threads altogether. All you ever respond with is toxic buttspew and vitriol, shitting all over the games you allegedly "love" and taking potshots at everyone who walks at Onyx Path and White Wolf except the fucking janitor.

Turn off the computer and live a little. This is just fucking pathetic.

>>54442589
Man, at least the mageposting sometimes spurs people actually talking. Forum grade roleplay is such horseshit. If quests got banished, this shit should be too.

>>54442588
>directing ad hominem attacks at players I've never met and insisting the wolf populations of the real world make a game of make believe about faeries and wizards unbelievable is "pointing out design flaws"

>>54442572
>anyone who points out juvenile behaviour should be shamed with more juvenile behaviour

You really need to be 18 to post here, children. Do your parents know you disabled Netnanny?

>>54442589

I am pretty happy with the amount of vitriol and hate here, thank you

>>54442589
It's almost as if there's a concerted effort to kill the general
But in the end it comes down to people being little bitches who can't bear other people having fun
I would love to have a place to discuss WoD with rational people, but there isn't, so I just stay here because I'm used to it
If we could at least get rid of the politics, that would be a good start

>>54442654
>It's almost as if there's a concerted effort to kill the general

We should be so lucky. I sometimes pray some of you die screaming, choking on your own intestines. No offense.

>>54440659
>What is the appeal of Werewolf the Apocalypse?

To me the appeal is the conflict of ancient society in modern times and a game of hubris (which does a better job at it that Awakening IMO).

Is about the the question on what exactly make you a good "person" in a society that glorifies you from the get go and temps you constantly to abuse that power.

Is about finding yourself in a society that has a noble goal but has shitty people in it that you cant simply cut away from but have to work with. Its a fundamentalist society of Crusaders that will glorify you if you join them to save the world "their way" but will resist you any other kind of method that isnt theirs.

TL:DR: Game of Thrones with fur.

>>54442654
How so? WW and OPP have always been political (as Elricson reminded us), so you can't really divide the two

>>54442589
>toxic buttspew and vitriol
Kek. Go to the OPP Forums

I've got an idea. Let's talk about why is A Thousands Years of Night shite instead.
I'll start - terrible editing of example char stat sheets - Disciplines over 5 and secondary attributes don't add up

>>54442654
>I would love to have a place to discuss WoD with rational people

People here are way more rational than anything you can find on OPP or RPG.net which is a very low bar.

Suggestion for an alternate Werewolf :
>Gaia is dead, the changing breeds have failed in their mission
>they are now considered with universal distrust by spirits
>they cannot access their war-forms, save for a very select few that have found a way to reclaim it, but that requires arduous research and training to attune yourself with the wounded part of Gaia that lies dormant within them
>the Wyrm has implanted itself deeply into the world, but now that Gaia is out of the way, it has taken the back seat and is waging a lazy war against the Architect, which he grew bored of
>the Architect is still fucking bonkers and trying to build even more separations everywhere
>changing breeds powers come exclusively from binding, consuming or bartering with spirits, which doesn't make them any more popular than they already are
>they started treating with human ghosts too, and developed close ties with Geists

I don't remember very clearly everything about Werewolf so please feel free to point out errors or make suggestions

>>54442794
Geists are nuWOD, but otherwise, it sounds good. Perhaps tying crinos more tightly to lunar phases, since Luna is the only great spirit left that would patronize the failed Fera

>>54442870
Well not crinos, since they would have been locked out of their ability to become hybrids, but they would definitely be compelled a lot harder by Luna
We could make the rage more problematic and not as much form dependent, subjected to the mood of lunar spirits
I could see Luna being very angry at the weres for letting Gaia die and depriving them of their most powerful shape while making them rage regardless of the form and sometimes completely out of phase with their usual cycle

Folk who like apocalypse also like being brought up as human but fucking wolves, it's disgusting

>>54441855
>werewolf is an outlet for angry hippies

>>54442654
>If we could at least get rid of the politics, that would be a good start
You'll have to bring that up with the developers.

>>54443704
If you're sick of the politics in the published material, maybe you can just ignore them (as it's been stated hundreds of times) and maybe you can abstain from bringing them into these discussions
Meanwhile, people are proposing creative solutions and getting completely ignored because apparently, you prefer shit-flinging to entertainment

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>>54443849

>>54443929
Make that into the next OP image, it'll be more accurate than vampires or wolves

What would be the spirit of Rank 10? Shadow itself?

>>54443978
Are there even rank 9 spirits ?
I thought it stopped at 8

Wouldn't 10 be the God-Machine ?

>>54443978

God.

That's not me being trite; one of the examples in 1e was Ain Soph, which is a name for God in Kabbalah.

Suffice to say, Rank 10 entities probably don't give much of a shit about human affairs. The Exarchs probably aren't Rank 10, but they're definitely Rank 8-9, and are a weird exception because their dominion is exclusively for humanity.

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>>54443978

>>54443998
Mages can destroy the world. Even the God would care about this one.

>>54444007

Potentially. Or it might see the world as a passing blip and Mages as insignificant blips on blips. The world ends, it shrugs, waves its hand and starts anew.

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Posting again for the new thread
Would anybody be interested in a Werewolf 2e game?
I'm looking for 1 more player, to, ideally, play an Ithaeur Bone Shadow(we already have one of every other auspice and tribe, and I'm a fan of rounding things out, but it's not necessary).
>Game is set in Portland, Oregon
>PC Woofs know each other through University of Portland
>Game is starting with the Pack having recently formed
>Nobody else in the group has ever played cofd before(I've played a few games and run a few games, but I apparently have the patience of a saint so I'm fine with teaching them as we play).
>Saturdays, Noon-3PM, roughly, GMT -7
>Rats#9479
>IC text through roll20, OOC voice through Discord
>Yiff is ban, no mages allowed, no awoo, $250 fine

>>54443849
If you're sick of the people complaining about politics in the published material, maybe you can just fuck off (as it's been stated hundreds of times) and maybe you can abstain from bringing it up into these discussions

>>54444217
Im gonna have to complain about the complainers complaining about politics

>>54444001
Wait, is the tower itself an entity?

>>54444028
Reality is the uninterested IT specialist hitting the reset button. Have you tried turning it off and on?

>>54443849

Think it like this, if we dont complain then OPP wins. They already ban criticism from their forums and infected RPG.NET with their faggotry.

This is the only place we got ourselves to freely voice how shitty of a direction OPP is going

>>54440659
Apocalypse is a game about doomed warriors fighting hopeless battle against impossible odds. Beyond that, it's a game about history and how the actions of the past have consequences in the future. Many of the problems the garou currently face have been made drasticly worse by decision the garou made in the distant past.

As for Forsaken... It's a game of spiritual border patrol... And also hunting.

Question, could any werewolf at all have any chance of taking a mage? A low generation vampire has a chance but what about werewolves?

Can someone post the oWoD power scaling chart?

>>54444791
A starting level werewolf will most likely obliterate a starting level mage, but mages scale a lot better while werewolves start amazing and end up comparatively useless

>>54440688
Taboo and morals. People just don't like being a necromancer unless they can go full on evil even if entropy is mostly more versital than spirit until you can just make a spirit who ca do anything you want it to.

How does the Hedge map to normal time and space?

Could someone conceivably get lost in the Hedge and accidentally exit on the surface of mars or 4 years into the past from the time they entered?

Kay need a quick thing from people on Mage the Awakening.

What's the difference between first and second edition? Fluff, mechanics?

>>54445043
fluff mage 1e is just lacking obsessions and mysteries. Mechanics wise 2e is better coherently. It's overpowered as fuck though and it's hard to come up with threats past arcana 4 that don't cheat to make sure they remain credible. Seriously if two mages have different arcana the one who wins is the one who throws the first bullet unless they have prime to stand a chance.

>>54440659
To someone entirely new to these games, how do the many aspects of the supernatural world interact with each other? See each other?

>>54444613
>Apocalypse is a game about doomed warriors fighting hopeless battle against impossible odds.

Apocalypse is a game about eco-terrorists who have a history of extreme genocide and still pine for the good ol' days

FIFY.

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Is this bitch seriously the strongest werewolves have to offer? A gen 5 Vamp can take her on

Zhyzhak, chosen child of the Green Dragon
Breed: Homid
Auspice: Ahroun
Tribe: Black Spiral Dancers
Rank: 6
Physical: Strength 7 (9/11/10/8), Dexterity 5 (5/6/7/7), Stamina 6 (8/9/9/8)
Social: Charisma 5, Manipulation 2 (1/0/0/0), Appearance 4 (3/0/4/4)
Mental: Perception 4, Intelligence 2, Wits 4
Talents: Alertness 5, Athletics 5, Brawl 5, Dodge 5, Intimidation 5, Primal-Urge 5, Streetwise 3
Skills: Drive 1, Firearms 4, Leadership 5, Melee 5, Stealth 5, Survival 5
Knowledges: Enigmas 3, Investigation 2, Medicine 2, Occult 5, Politics 4, Rituals 4
Backgrounds: Personal Totem 20
Rage: 10
Gnosis: 10
Willpower: 10
Fetish: Btk'uthoklnto. Her Devilwhip operates as a normal whip, except in that it does Strength+3 of aggravated damage.
Gifts: (1) Bane Protector, Falling Touch, Inspiration, Master of Fire, Razor Claws, Sense Wyrm, Toxic Claws; (2) Horns of the Impaler, Sense Silver, Spirit of the Fray, Staredown, Terrify, True Fear, Wyrm Hide; (3) Dagger of the Mind, Disquiet, Foaming Fury, Silver Claws; (4) Clenched Jaw, Cocoon, Crawling Poison, Open Wounds; (5) Avatar of the Wyrm, Balefire, Kiss of Helios, Part the Veil.
Rites: None that you'll ever get to see and live.
Note: As the Green Dragon chosen child, Zhyzhak can vomit toxic flames at an opponent three times a day. The attack has a range of six feet and can be dodged at difficulty 6, but this requires at least four successes. In addition, she has one extra die to soak damage.

>>54445270
she can breathe flames. The vampire runs for the hills in that instant

>>54445001
Loosely. There aren't going to be many paths that lead off planet, with all the sci-fi stories that are told, i suppose they could exist. I don't think you can go back in time through the Hedge, but time dilation can occur; you could spend an hour in the Hedge and find that either barely a minute has passed in the real world, or that it's been days.

>>54443849
Hypocrite.

>just ignore what you don't like and stop doing this thing i don't like

>>54445292
Most of the disciplines at higher levels make short work of flames

>>54445491
Right, and all vampires have those? What Disciplines and at what levels, anyway?

>>54445491
you still have to roll for Rötschreck

>>54444273
The tower itself is supposed to be Gan's body, and Gan is basically god.

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>>54443959

>>54446034
wolffags are not the hero we need but the hero we deserve

Can you still play as a Tremere in the Antitribu mod for Bloodlines?

I wanted to play as a Tremere with Necromancy and Obtenebration

Tier list of M:tAw paths? I'd say from strongest to weakest is:
Acanthus
Mastigos
Thyrsus
Obrimos
Moros

Why does the OP link to >>54416239? The last thread was >>54432913.

>>54446244
We shall not mention that foul abomination.

>>54446206
>Thyrsus above Obrimos

Pray tell, chap, whatever made you think that?

>>54446034
You're a genius
Thanks

>>54445208
Fluffwise, werewolves are the psychotic nutters who are involved in a minor racial holy war that nobody wants any part of. Mages are inscrutable freaks who turn up where you don't want them to be and are best kept far away from anything you like, because if they want to know, they'll find out. Vampires are emo leeches and probably manifestations of the abyss/wounds, depending on who you ask.

>>54446528
Spirit is kind of the "Do anything" arcana.

>>54446298
What was so bad about it?

>>54445208
As much as you want them two, the fluff is pretty open on to interpretation on that one.

>>54444921
Is there any game with both casters and not-casters that doesn't have the casters super weak starting out and god-tier later?

>>54446649
Spirit is the whore Arcana. You have suck off so many spirits or pay them to suck your dick to get anything done. And if you don't pay their pimps step and eat your soul.

>>54446728
Still damn strong if you're good with it.

>>54442425
This general is refined autism. The last thread was even worse, it was literally nothing about WoD until like 100 posts in and then it turned into magefags arguing about which arcana could do what.

>>54442654
Why would anyone want to kill the general? It's more likely that we just have a bunch of all-natural shitheads infesting it, WoD does tend to attract those kinds of people.

>>54446722
In WoD, you can replace mages with hedge wizards and psychics, which combined with Hunter and with a bit of tweaking, can make some pretty solid characters
I like it a lot better than Mage

>>54442672
Do you need to talk to someone? You seem upset.

>>54446802
Anything like that for CofD?

>>54444500
It's the only place that won't ban me for calling out OPP on retconning Jews from oWoD.

>>54446206
How about for other splats/subsplats too? Like tiers of V:tR clans? Does anyone have any impressions on that?

>>54446844
I still don't know why they got rid of them, Jews could make such good antagonists, they're basically the Seers of the Throne.

>>54446822
nWoD*
My bad
So yes, use Hunter and Second Sight, maybe Immortal and Slasher
Reliquary can be good too for neat magical items

>>54446101
Compared to magefags, tumblrposters, /x/fags, vampfags, changeling whores, namefags, and the other assorted garbage that makes a home here, wooffags are actually pretty chill.

>>54446881
We really need to figure out a standard way of distinguishing oWoD, nWoD/CofD, and both discussed together.

>>54443849
>prefer shit-flinging to entertainment
But shit-flinging IS entertainment.

>>54446862
Phil Brucato apparently believes that Jews are evil and triggering. They no longer have their protagonist faction (Lions of Zion).

>>54442607
Where is the LARPing/roleplay? I'm not seeing it.

>>54445270
What the fuck is her deal? What possible set of life events lead to an angry muscle bound wolf woman choosing to do the dominatrix look even if she doesn't give a shit about sexuality, or behaving in that impatient manner which seems like it'd undercut most all long term ambitions she or allies might have.

I legitimately want to see someone who uses a character that weirdly janky justify it, because she's an inconsistent mess even by bad WW standards.

>>54446924
Phil is pretty much the craziest person on OPP/WW staff right?

>>54446934
This was oWoD, when edginess counted more than coherence.

>>54446298
I've never seen a thread skipped like that before even if it was really bad, what happened?

>>54446600
Minor race war crossed with spirit cops.

>>54445139
Or Time to always be first.

>>54446978
Diluted and hackish. onxy was smart to never let him write a splat they cared about. Changing breeds was the runs

>>54440659
Apocalypse is basically hippies with magic powers.

>>54447042
What has he written in general?

>>54447018
OP is shit at starting new threads

>>54446852
From my experience:
Daeva
Gangrel
Ventrue
Nosferatu
Mekhet

>>54447092
They just forgot to update the copy paste?

>>54447042
Why do people hate on Phil so much?

>>54447018
>>54446656
a autistic /x/fag, the dudes who went against him (i agreed with them, but they let their autism consume them)

>>54447126
read changing breeds where he inserts his furry fucking otherkin ways into the book.

>>54447166
What do you mean by let their autism consume them? What did they do?

>>54446904
On this one, it was my fault
>>54446918
I'm afraid you're right

>>54443849
Positive change doesn't happen through silence. It comes with people openly and honestly expressing themselves.

The first sign of someone fallen to an oppressive ideology is the almost reflexive attempt to silence any dissenting viewpoint. Think on that.

>>54447251
You are far too smug for someone shitposting about politics on /tg/.

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>>54447126
this is why

>>54447182
To be fair that was the whole point of the book. You got to point to idiotic rules and the Eco-terrorist hippy bullshit. But for me it's mostly the stupid rules and tired ideas.

also M20 is shit

>>54446169
And is there a way to mod in antitribu disciplines without the character models?

>>54447251
>The first sign of someone fallen to an oppressive ideology is the almost reflexive attempt to silence any dissenting viewpoint. Think on that.

OPP forums in a nutshell

>>54447126
He's not very good at writing RPGs.

>>54447314
that wasn't what anyone wanted and it was terribly written from first page to last.

>>54447288
That's not crazy at all though. I mean how is what he's saying wrong in any way?

>>54447362
>comparing a Jewish Kabbalah tradition to ISIS
>not crazy

nigga...

>>54447353
How would you know what people wanted?

>>54447251
so we agree; the side bars are dumb but harmless. and its it's own company backing it's own marketing of their own message and nothing is forcing people to buy their marketing. I mean if they didn't WANT those sidebars they would have never bought the book to begin with.

Buyer's remorse. Buyer beware

>>54447376
That wasn't the problematic part, if you actually read the image that was posted.

>>54447273
Important messages need to be spread, regardless of the medium.

>>54447376
Have you read the Talmud? There's some fucked up shit in there.

>>54447353
that's why it's a grey book and not a full splat. throwing away money for a shitty supplement. I just hope they didn't pay him too much for it

>>54443998
Perhaps a rank 10 entity forces them to focus on humanity. Archmages reality might be more of a meritocracy than a mexican standoff, and an unpleasant one at that for even the mighty who aren't the mightiest.

>>54447399
The problematic part was Jews defending their homeland apparently being unplayably evil to OPP.

>>54447381
because i remember people talking about it. they just wanted alternate animal forms like exalted lunars. this was just brucardo talking about about animal fucking for his own amusement.

>>54447440
But it's not their homeland at all, it belongs to the Palestinians, which Israel regularly commits horrible atrocities against.

>>54445139
Ah, thank you.

Honestly, I don't see Mage as overpowered...then again, I only had the chance to play one game, it crashed three sessions in because of a Min-Maxed Geist, and EVERYONE agreed that I needed to be a Mage because my dice hate me and I needed the edge to balance out that cunt Arenji.

>>54447440
>>54447484
I hate you fuckers so much.

>>54447187
They just acted like angry fags, when they should have stopped giving the /x/fag (You)s.

>>54447453
And how hard is it to just ignore the furry parts?

>>54447501
Why?

>>54446852
Acanthus top?

Your obv another faggot that thinks fate can do more than it actually can.

>>54447512
I just looked through the thread, it seemed to be just arguing about arguing, how was the shitposter an /x/fag?

>>54447532
He started in the thread before, claiming to have magic powers irl.

>>54447530
There are three brokenly strong Arcana. Fate, Time, and Mind. Acanthus get two of those as ruling. The reason Mastigos are second tier is they get one as ruling.

>>54447554
Is it the same autist who was shitposting about information spirits or something a while back?

>>54447523
Probably because retards like >>54447484 always show up with their "alternative facts."

>>54447573
Yep, the very same.

>>54447586
It's not alternative facts, the Palestinians had lived there for over a millennium when the Jews showed up with the backing of Western powers and forced them out of their homeland.

>>54447586
>>54447613
Christ, not taking a side here, but could we not?

>>54447593
Damn, some people really are retarded.

>>54447628
What's the problem?

>>54447513
Very because it's the entire book and when he's not linking vultures to animals in a rather racist way he's talking about how sexual the animal is. That book was bad.

>>54447491
It's easy to see that early on first three levels of mage are really fine. Then 4 is where big issues happen 5 makes the game unplayable unless you houserule or fudge major aspects of the game. they can just do anything and with three success erase anything from existence. 2e is one of the best crafted gamelines in WoD but it's poorly balanced because dave wanted the feeling of a cold war without realizing how that would impact the game.

>>54447554
It's not that I have "magic powers", it's that I know how to contact lesser spirits who do things.

>inb4 jew rule the world conspiracy nuts show up
Who would have guessed just taking regular baths and saving your money in the dark ages would make you a conspiracy

>>54447491
Mage isn't overpowered in the context of their own game.

Yeah a Mage can conjure tanks out of thin air but they're fighting shit like sapient alternate universes, malignant math equations, gods of the shadow, and the human personification of tyranny and power.

If anything the player cabal is always the underdogs in a given conflict.

If knowing all this a GM decides to make the big bad a cantankerous werewolf who's running an outlaw biker gang it's their own fucking problem.

>>54447649
Could we not talk about the Isreal/Palestine situation in the /wodg/ thread? Can't believe i have to say this.

>>54447664
It's not just the Jews, but also the Irish and the Armenians.

>>54447678
Even though it's directly related to decisions made about a WoD product?

>>54447251
What I'm saying, from the beginning, is not that you shouldn't criticize anything
My point is you're taking too seriously what is essentially a game and that you would probably be happier just playing and discussing the game than being on and endless crusade to be right against people who just enjoy the same game as you do
Also it's not like the people at OPP give a shit about what 4chan says, since they've got a forum full of people blowing them day-in day-out
And if they're so oppressive and stupid, they're not going to change their ways anyway

Or if you're an /x/tard you can kidnap "Satyros" and place him under Vinculum

>>54447664
It's not that the Jews rule the world, they're mostly an instrument of Western imperialism in the Middle East. If anything they're the puppet.

>>54447655
>three success
Are you high right now? three sux mean nothing in this system. well nothing more than 1 sux

>>54447704
That's the point, they have ludicrous powers and all they have to do is not get actively fucked by the dice.

>>54447663
Oh god not again. FLEE FOUL BEAST!

>>54447689
No it's not. It would be if you JUST talking the Lions or how the Batin dealt with the situation, but your not.

>>54447683
I'm probably going to regret asking this but where exactly did you get that idea?

>>54447726
But the Israel/Palestine situation is necessary context on the Lions thing. It's kind of the crux of whether it was in any way justified.

>>54447700
a very irritable puppet

that makes me wonder
in CofD, what would be the best kit to make Chucky the Killing Puppet-like antagonists ?

>>54447683
Well yes everyone first world country has a habit of regular bathing.

>>54447704
By making an unmaking spell part of your praxis, you can lower exceptional successes to 3 by hitting an exceptional success you ignore threshold which is already a joke by then. Essentially, for Three successes on an unmaking spell you can you obliterate everyone and anyone who doesn't have direct counters against it.

I like dave and I like mage but he had to have been high as fuck when he made the rules.

>>54447765
What are you talking about?

>>54447760
As much as it pains me to say this, probably Beast.

>>54447757
No, go to >>>/pol/, if you talk about that.

how would a mage solve the israelo-palestinian conflict ?
why don't they do it ?

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>>54447736
Irish is pic related, the Armenians are the least powerful now but look up Armenian merchant networks, they still have some of those connections.

>>54447809
/pol/ just wants to nuke them both, I don't think there'd be much actual discussion.

>>54447774
>your st is fucking floor mat
I don't know what to tell you I mean if you st is limp dick faggot that allows that, meh good for you i guess

>>54447815
Exarchs wouldn't let them.

>>54447815
unmake the jews, would take archmastery but nobody would give a fuck so the pax wouldnt apply

>>54447852
You're right that any sane ST would disallow it, doesn't change that it works according to RAW.

>>54447831
>that pic
What the fuck did I just read.

>>54447852
This is literally in the fucking rules as written you moron. The ST has to fucking alter core rules to make the system workable at higher end levels. which is unacceptable to me no matter how well crafted the book is.

>>54447852
5 successes is enough to ignore withstand without praxis and its not that hard when you have the dice a master can get too

if your ST cock blocks you then he is a cunt

>>54447919
No, just sane. Mage is unplayably unbalanced at higher power levels normally.

>>54442350
I'm pretty sure its cannon that the spirit Gaia is dead and that's why the world is going to shit.

>>54447974
Fuck off, i ran 1e and it was far worse when you were able to get 111 dicepools n shit with ritual casting.

Have you actually even run it?

>>54444500
rpg.net has been a hotbed of faggotry for a long time. They were trying to be a "safe space" before it was even popular.

>>54445270
Looks like a man.

>>54447854
why ? what the fuck is wrong with exarchs ?
I know next to nothing of mage lore

>>54448121
Nothing wrong with them, join them and they will make you richy mcrichface.

>>54447484
you again. Still haven't touched serious literature about the situation, it seems

>>54447429
Have you read the Quran? Most fascist holy book in the world

>>54448134
but wizards don't need cash

>>54448193
Don't be too hard on ol' Philbert. He can't help being retarded.

>>54448237
Cut from the same cloth, only the Talmud is more ethnocentric, take the world as slaves shit, while the Quran is expansionist, convert the world to Islam shit.

>>54448193
What part of what I said is untrue or misleading?

>>54448264
Literally all of it.

>>54445533
>all vampires have those?

Follow the convo dummy, >>54445270 said a gen 5 vampire could take her, I meant gen 5 and lower.

>what disciplines

Chimerstry 9, high enough celerity and temporis, Dementation 8, likely others

>>54448280
Name the most egregious part.

>>54448344
Suggesting that Jews aren't native to Judea and that Arabs have been there for "millennia."

>>54447809
the conflict mirrors in Mage because that is what Mage has been from the beginning. Philosophical knifefighting has evolved into political knifefighting, together with the freedom vs security debate. There is nothing wrong with discussing it, as long as certain invididuals don't shit up the thread

>>54448362
Millennium, singular, and the Jews were native there once but had been gone from the area for a very long time.

>>54448373
Tbհ Israel/Palestine seems like one of the few political issues that can't be boiled down into freedom vs security.

>>54448403
They most definitely had not. A massive population of Jews are recorded by census living there for the entire period of foreign rule. Not everyone was forced out like you think they were.

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>>54447664
Yes, haha, just save your money goy, that's all there is to it.

>>54447795
>I take bath
Well if you're going to be a hedonist. there's nothing I can do to stop you. Just know that Jesus cries every time you get soap in your eyes

>>54448443
Yes, but they were not the majority in any sense. It would be like Jews declaring statehood in New York City.

>>54448472
You're off your meds, aren't you?

>>54448472
why would he do that? What is wrong with bathing?

>>54448500
>I don't know history
OH so you're also retarded? Oh bless your little stupid heart.

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>>54446992

>>54446992
It was a more easier time

>>54447693
I agree, and I have said the same. I was speaking in regard to those who have been responding, with demands that we silence ourselves, with jingoized terms like "tolerance," and "inclusive," where the actual meaning has been lost behind doublespeak, and every other tool out of their book to shut down any outcry against the simple request that our games be just games, not cultural marxism/identity politic propaganda outlets.

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>>54448683
It's not like OPP has not positioned itself in that regard

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>>54446034
Perfection.

>>54446722
What about Mummies? They start all roided up and end barely more powerful than regular human.

>>54446862
pic related

>>54447484
>it belongs to the Palestinians
Does it? Israel is there 50 years. Palestinians were there before that, and dunno who was there before that but 2000 years ago it was Israel's too, so why not let them have it?
>which Israel regularly commits horrible atrocities against
only as retribution for Palestinian atrocities

>>54447664
It was more like being more or less forced into profitable business and keeping aloof, this crystallized into combination envy and relative strangeness despite close proximity and boom, you have pogroms, conspiracies etc.

>>54447760
Possible Pandorans? I think there might be already some mentions of similar dolls.

>>54448683
Please don't start again

>>54448759
>Pandorans
Who ?

>>54448237
And if you ever thought that maybe it could be interpreted in a benign way, wait until you learn about the Hadiths and their importance to EVERYTHING in Islam. Seriously - hit up a libgen site, get a complete copy of the hadiths, not a censored one, and just spend an hour. You will understand the evil of Islam as a faith.

Educate your ass.

>>54448759
Silence, jewboi.

>>54448683
You forget your tinfoil hat again?

>>54448831
just like the talmud can be interpreteted in a benign way. That's the funny thing about sacred scriptures: There are many options.

>>54448845
Run out of arguments? :^)

>>54448878
He's right though. If you haven't been following /tg/ over the last few days, well, welcome to an ongoing discussion, thanks for summerfagging it up.

>>54448943
Run out of shekels?

>>54448488
If the Jews were native americans who lived in new york and then were pushed out, them reclaiming their land wouldn't be looked at as odd, a declaration of war maybe, but not odd.

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>ITT: /pol/Anon gets triggered
>Decides that what they wrote in their book offends him and so shouldn't be allowed
>Invents a special buzzword to describe anyone who does something he doesn't like
>Refuses to accept the idea he should just ignore things he doesn't agree with, claims it's an attack on his person/beliefs and cannot be ignored

>>54448969
They were pushed out 2 millennia ago.

Just because the land belonged to their ancestors doesn't mean its theirs.

>>54449019
I'm pretty sure the complaint is it bad writing and that Phil left out Jew character groups because hes anti-semitic but left in all the Muslim ones, and in fact propped them up.

>>54449054
Yes, that's why there is in fact a conflict. Glad we're on the same page. Because they have been there the entire time, were kicked out partially, and then went back.

>>54449083
The ones who remained own thou territory by law.

But Moshe Goldberg, who emigrated from Brooklyn in the 50's, has no specific right to the land

>>54449180
The fact that they took it gives them rights to the land.

>>54449060
sh sh, complex thoughts are not the strength of antisemites

>>54449293
>muh might makes right

I remember when I was 16

What would we need to adapt to port the LoZ into CofD ?

>>54449443
Welcome to the real world, where that's always how its worked.

>>54449443
I would say that too if I and the whole Arab league lost a war against outnumbered jews :^)

>>54449511
>I would say that too if I and the whole Arab league lost a war against outnumbered jews :^)

>Lions of Zion are apparently hard at work and quite successful

>>54440688
For entropy to interact with other forms you need to employ at least the first level of that form's sphere.

>>54440726
You'd have to set the consequences so much for that to actually happen you are better off just using Matter 3 rather than Entropy 3 if you set up the scene so well or Entropy 2 with about a billion successes

>>54449491
Zelda? Well you'd need to decide what everyone represents mechanically first. Ganon and the more capable incarnations of Zelda are mages of some stripe, but Link the reincarnating hero might not really fit into any neat hole. Even in the game when he was a werewolf, none of it was WtF style wolfery.

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This whole thread.

>>54449757
I was talking about the Lions of Zion ... but that's ok ...

>>54447655
>but it's poorly balanced

I'd actually argue that Awakening is the most balanced of the lines right now, internally speaking.

>>54449491
Depends. The Eyes of Ain Soph are similar enough in their mystical outlook, and was there not a Werewolf lodge that focused on teaching jewish werewolves their new role in the community?

>>54449496
No shit, but it doesn't mean you should meekly accept it
>>54449511
Hope you have the same attitude when a pack of wild niggers robs you and beats you bloody.

After all, might makes right ;^)

>>54449865
not unless everyone has prime. mage graves attackers an extraordinary advantage over defenders.

>>54446206
People vastly underestimate the Moros Path.

Matter can really fuck you over if you're clever, as it's one of the most rewarding with creativity.
Death is just esoteric as fuck, with it being as much a concept of endings as its the Arcana of, well, death and decay.

>>54449947
That's kind of the point. It's a cold war. Fighting other wizards is supposed to be terrifying. It makes things a bit more 'real', at least for me it does.

>>54449969
It also makes it near impossible to play unless you play game of thrones which is not the type of game I feel should be the only game type. Especially when mind wins against everything but prime. Simply because that's a setting feature doesn't make it good especially when it ruins actual games.

>>54449897
>Hope you have the same attitude when a pack of wild niggers robs you and beats you bloody.
That's why I don't live in areas that restrict my gun rights or areas filled with wild packs of niggers.

>>54450054
Not everything is about combat

You also need to prepare and mingle with your Cabal for protection

>>54449806
I'm going to be honest I see LoZ and my brain jumps circuits. My bad.

>>54449897
sounds like you are also bigotted against African-Americans :^) an antisemite and racist, what's next? I guess you should go back to your containment board

>>54449897
>Hope you have the same attitude when a pack of wild niggers robs you and beats you bloody.

You do realize that in 1967 the Arabs were not only "mighty" party, but also vastly outnumbered the Jews and were attempting genocide. Using your example, the Arab hordes were the "pack of wild niggers."

>The Arabs also supported the Nazis in WWII.

Given that Israel is the only democratic, classically liberal First World nation in the entire region, a feat accomplished in just a couple of generation, and the Arabs states continue to socially and politically regress, it's no wonder that despite their absurd advantage in geography, numbers and natural resources like oil, the Arabs have lost so many genocidal wars against the Jews.

Jewish and Israeli intellect, wisdom and planning triumphed over Arab might. In order to protect themselves, they only then directed those same demographic and cultural resources to their military to ensure that Arab might could never threaten them again.

You really don't oppose "might makes right," rather you oppose *Jews* who will not longer be victims or subject to the whims of antisemites, whether they be Arab, western or otherwise.

>>54450063
>areas filled with wild packs of niggers

Hey, Detroit, Oakland and Camden are great horror settings...

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>>54440659
Apocalypse is a military action game in movie monster drag. You are a small group of elite warriors fighting a losing battle against raw, dank, dripping evil while existing in the physical world and the spirit world. As you're doing that, you have to cope with the fact that you're a bunch of fractious bronze-age warriors who can't coordinate to save their lives. It is, in short, completely fucking bonkers.

Like... look at this shit. This belongs on the side of a van.

Apocalypse fully embraces that and runs with it.

>>54450174
>sounds like you are also bigotted against African-Americans :^) an antisemite and racist, what's next?

If he's running WOD or CofD, I'm curious about his positions on gays and trans?

>>54447693
>My point is you're taking too seriously what is essentially a game

Anon, i dont give a shit about the real world, i do care about my games.

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Could a Pack of Uratha Elders reliably challenge a Cabal of Master Mages?

>>54450261
>Cabal of master mages
>At least one would have spirit 5
No, woofs would just get wrecked.

>>54450180
you mean us backing. isreal only won because the use gives them the weapons to.

>>54448800
Promethean antagonists. Basically failed Prometheans which feast mainly on Prommies but you could let them attack anyone.

>>54450261
>Could a Pack of Uratha Elders reliably challenge a Cabal of Master Mages?
If they are clever and very careful, they could maybe challenge single Master.

>>54450174
Sounds like you're from tumblr
>>54450180
>you hate the Jews!!!!

Talk about a victim complex.

No, Chaim, I have nothing against Israel itself, I just think people advocating for might makes right are stupid.

But good job on reverting to the classic antisemitism cry

>>54450287

The USA did not substantially back Israel militarily in 1967. They largely relied on British and French surplus. American material support to Israel wasn't substantial until post-Suez crisis.

Also, have you conveniently forgotten that the Soviet Union was backing the Arabs?

>>54450404
that's still the western world backing Israel

>>54446206
Obrimos should be on the bottom there.

>>54448831
Yeah, the Quran is actually pretty okay but the Hadiths are twenty different kinds of fucked up.

>>54450376
>I just think people advocating for might makes right are stupid.

Then maybe you should stop doing it in reference to the Israeli War for Independence in 1967 where that was the underpinning of the Arab strategy, and the huge loss to a tiny group of Jews an insult to Arab "honor" to this day.

I also don't take defenses against antisemitism and other bigotry too seriously from people who analogize world events to getting robbed by a "wild pack of niggers."

Further, Jews have a "victim complex" because they've been religious and ethnic victims for centuries, often the scapegoats for the failures of home nations, including the Shoah within living memory. When Arabs and their far left useful idiot supporters proudly proclaim their genocidal intentions with slogans like "from the river to the sea," Jews take it damn seriously.

>>54450449
and the Eastern backing the the Arabs. Your point?

>>54449897
>No shit, but it doesn't mean you should meekly accept it
And how would you fight back, anon? No might allowed, apparently.

>>54450376
>le tumblr bogeyman
having no real arguments hurts, does it not?

>>54450449
>that's still the western world backing Israel

The Israeli / Palestinian conflict, particularly in 1967 and 1973, was a proxy battle between western forces and the USSR.

Are you just ignorant or do you willfully ignore the active Soviet backing of the Arabs during the conflicts?

>>54449950
They're still powerful as fuck, they're mages, I just don't think they can compare to how OP Fate, Time, Mind, Prime, and Spirit are.

>>54450487
>mages best at fighting other mages
>wants them at the bottom

oh please

>>54450376
>Posts /pol/ bullshit
>Gets caught
>Quick call him a tumblrina and a jew!

>>54450487
Prime is better than anything Moros gets.

This thread turned into autism again. Are we gonna ignore/purge this one in the next thread as well?

>>54450546
>USSR = western world
I guess if you're a trumptard

>>54450404
Oh, so they got support from a different bunch of imperialist powers, so different.

>>54450561
>>54450589
Death is right under (sometimes alongside) Prime regarding hostile magics. It can 'kill' / end spells/magic.

>>54450552
That's fair. Personally I like Moros the best because of all the cool magical super-tech I can craft.

>>54450180
>Given that Israel is the only democratic, classically liberal First World nation in the entire region
Maybe just maybe we shouldn't be forcing our value systems on cultures that don't share them and expecting it to work out perfectly. Just a thought.

>>54450627
Sure but those cultures are doing the same to us, they just aren't winning. You probably just got memed by the media to think the underdog is always the good guy.

>>54450639
Only because we literally invited them in, which don't get me wrong, is stupid on a level that is barely imaginable, but still can't be compared to having it forced from outside unavoidably.

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>>54450601
>USSR = western world
really, anon? Are you that desperate?

>>54450535
And where exactly is the argument in your post then?

>>54450507
>Left is about religion
well I guess if you ignore the Right sucking off the christian evangelist for favors

>>54450666
exactly where yours is :^)

Reminder that there is no objectively *best* Arcana OR Path, as you're not limited to your Ruling and can take a third one at that.

>>54450680
Are you fucking illiterate?

>>54450601
>>54450607

The claim was that Israel purportedly had an unfair advantage because it was backed by the "West" in its war for independence. That's ludicrous.

First, all the West hardly supported Israel, and early American support was tepid, at best, and largely not militaristic.

Second, the USSR was formidable at that time and fully and actively backed the Arabs.

Besides vastly outnumbering the Israelis, the Arabs also mostly had superior armaments and equipment.

The Arabs, the Soviets and much of the West believed the Arabs would quickly overpower the disadvantaged Jews. Things don't always work out as planned or expected....

When did this general go from /tg/ to an autistic mix of /pol/, /lgbt/, and /x/?

>>54448969
Can you do basic math? 400!=2000.

>>54450731
It's always been an autistic mix of /pol/, /lgbt/, /x/, and occasionally /ck/.

The zionist and anti-zionist fags are just more insufferable than average.

>>54450731
thank Onyx Path for being retards in including this shit in their books instead on focusing how to make good rpgs

>>54450727
Arabs just can't fucking win modern conventional wars. Ever. People have done STUDIES on how shit Arabs are at conventional war.

Not that I'm particularly supportive of Israel, but it's a fucking phenomenon how awful the Arab world is at wars that don't involve chemical or guerilla warfare.

>>54450561
>>54450589
Prime is easily the weakest and least versatile Arcanum. If you want to be of any especial use, you need to invest in it, heavily. Any Mage can get the countermagic aspects of it just by raising it up to Disciple level. Not to mention that Prime isn't even an instant win. It can only defend against purely Supernal attacks if you fail or are unable to counter the spell.

>>54450763
Wait, /ck/? When did that happen?

>>54450748
What does the amount of time an enemy (Who to this day still wishes to commit genocide against you) held your territory for have to do with reclaiming it? Does a certain amount of time just suddenly make history go away?

>>54450784
M20

>>54450784
Brucatos culinary advices

>>54450776
>Arab world is at wars that don't involve chemical or guerilla warfare

Is there any wonder why Israel decided to develop a nuclear deterrent?

>>54450784
I suppose from the sidebars about morally correct culinary supplements to your games.

>>54450763
It still seems worse lately. I mean magefags are legitimately the best thing in these generals right now.

>>54450807
This I need to hear about.

>>54450808
All the tumblr fags are home from college to espouse their newly learned indoctrination.

About the read through Awakening 2e in its entirety for the very first time. What am I in for?

New thread, come escape the autism:
>>54450836

>>54450778
>Prime is easily the weakest and least versatile Arcanum

Yeaaaaahhhh, ok buddy

>>54450827
More rules than any other World of Darkness game.

>>54450778

Prime can defend against non-supernal magic, including sample spells and Prime 2 Mage Armor.

Prime is also a significant utility Arcanum that can vastly improve spellcasting and similar mage abilities. Beside other useful niche abilities, it is a force multiplier.

I also imagine that Signs of Sorcery, a book dedicated to supernal phenomena, will see new and improved uses of Prime.

>>54450778
>It can only defend against purely Supernal attacks

It works on magics of all kinds. The other Arcana are more specific regarding their purview and a good bit better in its function.

>>54450823
>caring about other people is indoctrination
Good one

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>>54450827
memorable art

>>54450827
Fantastic rules, well developed fluff, and questionable art direction

>>54450842
A bit quick on the draw don't you think?

>>54450867
>caring about other people on the expense of the others is not indoctrination
nice mental gymnastics

>>54450892
I didn't make it.

>>54450870

>TFW I'm still at work and cannot post Free Council Pride Parade or Seer Party

Feedback requested on this new Horror.

The Stalwart Revenant Soldier

Virtue: Determined/Stoic
Vice: Hardened
Aspirations: Travel The World, Face Greater And Greater Challenges, Die A Final And Worthy Death

Mental Attributes: Intelligence 3, Wits 4, Resolve 7
Physical Attributes: Strength 7, Dexterity 5, Stamina 9
Social Attributes: Presence 4, Manipulation 2, Composure 7

Skills: Academics (Tactics And Strategy) 3, Crafts 1, Investigation 2, Medicine 1, Occult 2, Athletics 4, Brawl 3, Drive 2, Firearms (Assault Rifle) 4, Stealth (Ambush) 3, Survival (Tracking, Urban) 4, Weaponry 2, Empathy (Suffering) 2, Intimidation 2, Streetwise (Scrounging, Mercenaries) 4, Subterfuge 2

Merits: Area Of Expertise 1 (Tactics And Strategy), Direction Sense 1, Interdiscplinary Specialty 1 (Tactics And Strategy), Professional Training 5 (Soldier: Firearms, Survival, Streetwise), Trained Observer 3, Virtuous 2, Contacts (Soldiers, Mercenaries, Black Market), Iron Will 2, Resources 3,Safe Place 4 (Underground Bunker), Firefight 3, Iron Skin 2 (Advanced 2), Marksmanship 4, Martial Arts 4, Shiv 2

Willpower: 21
Defense: 8
Initiative: 12
Speed: 17
Health: 14 (Size 5)
Potency: 7
Integrity: 5

Weapons/Attacks
Knife [+1L Melee; 9 Dice]
Assault Rifle [+3L Range 150/300/600; 10 Dice]
Martial Arts [+0L Melee; 10 Dice]

Dread Powers: Fearless, Gauntlet Cloak, Immortal, Influence 3 (Determination), Prodigious Leap, Regenerate 2, Surprise Entrance, Vanish

>>54450897
How is that mental gymnastics?

new thread
>>54450836

>>54450842
should have waited until the autism ebbed down. Now, it will just spill in the new thread

>>54450798
I'm not really a fan of either side but as an armchair general/historical wargaming nerd I'm always astonished by just how shit arab nations are at modern warfare. Especially given their access to resources.

Saudi Arabia vs Yemen, or Libya vs Chad for example. Hell many of the nations in the gulf will hire mercenaries from pakistan and other places because a large chunk of local soldiers are notoriously incompetent and unprofessional.

>>54450853
>>54450866
I meant in that it can defend against physical attacks brought about by magic, which it literally says in the book.

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>>54450229
Take a look at their Time of Judgement book cover.

I'm hoping that this upcoming Werewolf vidya has a similarly cheesy cover

>>54450505
The Quran is the doctrine of a warlord, softened up, and written by a poet, the Hadiths are the direct quotations of that warlord, and worse, his drooling sycophants and their cousins cousins who heard through hearsay his crazy evil shit.

>>54450911
What's with the cheesed Resolve/Stamina/Composure, it stands out as just absurdly .. well, cheesed, like you are building it to fuck with a specific player/players.