So what's the problem with Magic right now? I've been

NWO

The seven year plan

Story gets more Reddit and tumblr pandering every set, a card gets banned in standard every set because wizards likes to print good creatures without printing appropriate answers to those cards, they're making fnm prizes worse, one of the same 5 planeswalkers gets printed every set, and the art all looks like promotional art for a PS2 game.

I think that covers everything, for paper magic at least.

WoTC have been removing interaction and such from the game for a while now. They've said for the longest time that "all the market research says that players don't like it when their stuff is destroyed".

However their design philosophy has completely bit them in the ass as the past few standard format have been widely regarded as incredibly terrible and frustrating to play in.

WoTC, instead of simply admitting they messed up are trying anything else they can to get more people to show up to FNM. This includes boneheaded decisions such as removing monthly promos.

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>>54436119
>try to get more people to show up by removing an incentive

I'll never understand this.

>>54436075
>a card gets banned in standard every set because wizards likes to print good creatures without printing appropriate answers to those cards

I think this is one that hurts me the most. WotC is trying so fucking hard to dumb down standard as much as humanly possible. Combo? Not fun for Timmy because he can't understand combos. Control? Timmy would kill himself if his Craw Wurm gets counterspelled. Aggro? Timmy would neck himself in the store if he died before turn 20 in standard. So what's "fun for the whole family"? Apparently just midrange.

You can only play midrange or mildly aggressive or mildly slow variants of midrange. Play your boring creatures that have a paragraph on them on curve and a Gideon and hope your opponent draws worse then you or has a heart attack.

Standard hasn't been able to fire for months here because of how fucking policed it is.

More players playing the game means more people to be discontent.
There's also the general slide the internet has been taking towards folks who go out of their way to find things to complain about, even if it means making mountains out of molehills.
Especially if it means making mountains out of molehills.
>>54436119 is also dropping a lot of truth.

Wizards legit fucked up standard with a few untested cards that ended up being way to good and producing T4 kills pretty regularly, and so now people have taken that as a sign that whatever pocket gripe they have with wizards is legitimate and they deserve a personal apology and a pan pizza

>>54436162
They think there's this group of casuals who don't show up because FNM is too competitive, so by ruining incentives FNM players will do something else instead of show up to FNM.

Which is shit because FNM is Modern where I play and I can't just show up to "Standard Showdown" or whatever with my Modern deck to try and win the next Fatal Push.

>>54436216
You have no idea how glad I am that RDW is finally back and yet even if you compare it to past versions like theros-era heroic red or innistrad/ravnica era hellrider with the green splash for flinthoof boar, its vastly underwhelming. I hate how they are trying to turn the game into hearthstone

>>54436234
Ah, it all makes sense now that you've posted that. WotC is secretly killing non-Standard by trying to make it so only Standard players get good promos.

>>54436119
>They've said for the longest time that "all the market research says that players don't like it when their stuff is destroyed".

I like how they tried to fix this problem with no regard for anything else in the game.

It's a game about INTERACTING with your opponent

When you take out that in shocking turn of events the game fucking sucks (ie standard)

>>54436234

The way they handled the decision was just so incredibly, incredibly stupid.

They basically just removed a well love gift to the fans out of nowehere and then said that people who disliked that (their enfranchised players) that they're unwanted and make FNM's worse with their presence.

Insulting your consumer base never goes well.

>>54436234
>>54436421
Wait a sec, I've been knee-deep in Kingdom Hearts all weekend. Did I miss something important and is there a source?

>>54436421
But anon surely after all the mean competitive enfranchised players leave all millions of non-competitive casual players will enter FNM and just not care who wins! They'll all buy boosterboxs and throw them at each other too

Right?....right?

Or maybe the casual players won't go because I dunno maybe they are FUCKING CASUAL PLAYERS

>>54436451
no more fnm promos

source would be somewhere on their website

>>54436451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2XTYIQF2I

>Constant R&D fuckups leading to constant bannings
>Reverting two set blocks
>Reverting rotations
>Reverting expeditions
>Reverting the formats at the Pro Tour
Wizards don't know what they want their game to be, and it's making their players confused. And since this game isn't cheap, this confusion is leading to anger.

>>54436451
No FNM promo cards anymore

Now you get double sided tokens. Wow!

Good FNM promos were causing people to be competitive for a prize. Which is bad (?)

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/store-play-evolves-2017-07-16

>>54436451
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/store-play-evolves-2017-07-16

Basically no more FNM Promos. Any promos they have will be at Standard Showdowns instead and there will only be 4 a year.

When they got obvious blowback for that they claimed that promos made FNM too competitive and they were looking for a different environment for FNM.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/163220178518/youve-explained-to-us-that-the-data-shows-that

>>54436502
My problem is I don't know why there was a problem in the first place

MTG seemed to be very popular and stable before they decided to want to change everything. All the problems they have right now are basically self-imposed because of their own stupid changes.

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>>54436075
This, the long short is that WotC is investing in new players in the HS to College age and they want to mainly get the white women dollars hence all the POC pandering, cause black teens love Yu-Gi-Oh! and could care less about pandering they want anime titties. This combined with all the changes to play and prize wise to bring new and causal players to the table.

>>54436489
Casuals become established due to competition though, at least thats how I started. Took me two months to win a single match and almost a whole year until I won my first FNM, but it was such a rewarding feeling when it all clicked and I knew my deck, I knew the meta, I knew when to respond, what to sideboard, etc.

>>54436600
>white women dollars
This is a myth.

>>54436525
>>54436587
Thanks. I don't even attend FNM very often, but now I have something else to be livid about. What on God's green earth possessed them to make this decision? Did every little 0-4 bitch complain en masse?

>>54436587
I don't know why Rosewater talks so much on tumblr. He only ever really adds gas to the fire.

>hey if you try to win a prize we provided, you are the problem

Thanks Mark

>>54436624
Yes, it is, but it is one WotC believes in now. And there you see the fucking problem.

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>>54436593
Magic is popular with the secondary Market, sure you can say that in theory WotC will see that money, they rather have more casual players who will buy packs and boxes at Target in hopes of getting that one card, instead of just buying the single at your LGS.

Another big fuck up is that magic has an odd way of dealing with the fan community, it's clear more then every that they care "progressive" players and they DMC lewd art work all the time. We live in an age where the women in Pic related get full support from Wizards (the same women that want to ban lewd playmats that also happen not to be official WotC playmats), but small mtg sites get no support mainly if they have been "toxic" in the past.

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>>54436743
>that picture
>enterthewarp.jpeg

>>54436502
>Reverting two set blocks
I quit after new zendikar dropped because it was such a miserable set, are we going back to 3 set blocks?

>>54436864
no more blocks, just 4 big sets per year with one of them being the return of core sets. So theoretically you could have three sets on the same plane now or each set being on a different plane.

>>54436864
Not him, but we're going to a "however many sets the story needs so fuck if I know?" model. If I recall, Ixalan is the last set guaranteed to be a two set block.

>>54436743
>but small mtg sites get no support mainly if they have been "toxic" in the past.
Have you considered that small MTG sites don't get support because they're small and don't get visited often?

>>54436876
Huh. That sounds alright, might alleviate some of the god-awful design fatigue that last-sets in each block always suffered from.

Haha just kidding, enjoy a bunch of new +1/+1 counter mechanics, now without thematic connections to last sets +1/+1 counter gimmicks.

>>54436743
Why do you want to play with lewd playmats? Of all the complaints I see people have about Wizards, not wanting to be associated with softcore porn seems pretty low on the list.

>>54436864
No
We're going to only large sets
which could be a good thing (since their sets nowadays can only be creative or playable, but never both)
But they'll find a way to fuck it up anyways

>>54436926
This unironically. I've never met anyone with a lewd playmat who wasn't the worst kind of neckbeard with no idea of proper social convention. It's a real shame that we need a rule for what should be common sense.

>>54436926
Some people play with them because they believe it will upset or unnerve their opponents with their brazen lack of tact giving them a competitive edge.

Some people just have no social awareness.

Either way, the end result is the same. They look like a douche-canoe and drive the well-adjusted players away from the LGS.

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Obligatory.

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>>54436926
Me personally, I don't play with Lewd playmats. My Playmat is Sacred Foundry. But I am no fucking idiot, I know how feminist work, I seen this shit take away everything in games and nerd culture over the last 8 years. I personally wouldn't use a playmat and I agree phonographic ones are not to be used in public. But they want to ban mats with anime girls in bikinis. And you give them that, it just keeps snow balling. What happened to common sense, the fact that they push to ban even tame shit shows they are seeing how much power they have. NEVER GIVE THESE PEOPLE A FUCKING INCH!

>According to them pic related is too much skin.

>>54436216
I had a good laugh at the "or has a heart attack". Actually that wouldn't be too farfetched now that I think of how many fatasses I sit across from.

>>54437032
whatever you say man

>>54437032
>and I agree phonographic ones are not to be used in public
Nigger I bet you don't even own a phonographic playmat.
And no, you can't have mine. "Against the Wind" is special to me.

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>>54437051
Would The End play hard control or one-shot combo?

>>54437032
jesus christ imagining thinking like this nerd over here
> I know how feminist work
lmao

>>54436926

Puritans never have a goal in mind. Whats "lewd" is incredibly subjective and people who try and campaign against that always end up going too far.

>>54437032
While I agree with the idea that playmats shouldn't really be regulated beyond what the store owner deems acceptable, you sound like a nutcase. Just saying.

>>54437215
Well I've never seen a pornographic playmat at my store or at any event I've been to. And I've also never seen someone claim that a playmat that isn't pornographic is still too "lewd" to be allowed. These "incredibly subjective" sensibilities seem pretty well rooted and they match my own so I see no reason to complain.

>>54437215
take a look at you're life you are upset about not being able to have sexy cartoons on the table when you play your children's card game :/

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>>54437153
>>54437274
I am the crazy one, look at what's happened over the years
>Games censored by removing parts, lines, or editing outfits
>People like Anita gets game devs to bend over backwards to make her happy
>Comics become a shit show of polotics and pandering
>Certain games stop coming from Japan to the west
>Magic has characters rewritten to be gay, passive, or even a minority even thought they look white, combined with a huge tone done on cleavage.
>Anime cons are now filled with safe spaces for trannies or poc.

But I am the crazy one.

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>>54437311
Exactly, so why change anything?

If there is something that is too blatant, that can be handled individually by the store owner. No need for moral crusaders.

>>54437368
The only playmats I own are of land art but nice try,

>>54437497
Then why are you complaining about people voicing their opinions on what qualifies as too lewd, especially if you agree that their stance hasn't negatively effected the community? That moral crusade seems just like the status quo to me.

>>54437475
this is all fine lol

>>54437475
Are those supposed to be negative things? All of that just looks like capitalism at work, and companies recognizing that the appearance of inclusivity = cash. It sucks that some weeb games don't get translated but I can understand companies not wanting to touch stuff that looks questionable to the public with a ten foot pole. It's not they have to release games over here.

>>54437475
Sorry the anime children aren't showing as much skin in Nippon Child Abuse Simulator 2022

>>54437546
Because people who complain about nonissues are usually only seeking power.

Plus some people are rather extreme in their desire to police others and go as far as saying anything anime-esque should be banned.

If something is already being handled by common sense, why bring it up in the first place?

>>54437694
You are complaining about nonissues
If something is already being handled by common sense, why bring it up in the first place?

>>54437718
I'm not the one who brought this topic up.

>>54437694
>Because people who complain about nonissues are usually only seeking power.
Why can't you take their concerns at face value? You don't even have to agree with them. Why can't you and them both want the community to be the best it can be?

>>54437742
Why can't you take my concerns at face value? You don't even have to agree with me. Why can't you and me both want the community to be the best it can be?

WotC is sucking the secondary market's dick hard. Card stock quality is at an all time low. Full throttle on SJW pandering. Ixalon looks like shit. HoD was shit. No more FNM promos. Less premium product. Severely limited quantity of premium product we do get.

It's like they are trying to kill the game on purpose.

>>54437950

Well, feminists do hate nerds, so maybe we're moving to the next stage.

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>>54437694
>Because people who complain about nonissues are usually only seeking power.

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>>54437950
>Full throttle on SJW pandering

I don't even get this argument. Some Magic characters are female, or have black skin; therefore Magic is now ruined forever? What even the hell? I don't remember anyone complaining about Captain Sisay. And LGBT characters? Magic introduced the first one 20 years ago, in Shattered Chains by Clayton Emery.

I don't understand this fandom anymore..

>>54435907
Same reason people are complaining about games and comics so much these days. Companies pandering to the lowest common denominator (i.e; liberals).

>>54437950

Disagree here. The old stuff is just getting rarer due to the afformentioned pandering to libs.

>>54438111
That's because on /tg/ you never know if you're talking to a fan or someone trying to slide /tg/.
Protip: One of those groups knows virtually nothing of Magic beyond the last four years.

>>54438111
Apparently if it was before 2012 it wasn't politically motivated, but if it's after that it is. Skin color or sexuality aren't attributes of the human experience that people can relate to, they're just politics.

>>54438194
I think one of the main criticisms is that characters in more recent fiction are more two dimensional, so it seems forced.

I can't substantiate this because I don't read their shit. The last of the "lore" I've read was the original Ravnica books.

>>54438307
I thought it was just more the feeling of every female or minority character prior is just put in the story because 'blah, it's a character' where these days every one of those characters is now just put in to push an agenda or something.

I don't fucking know. I just play cards.

>>54438331
It doesn't help that they think Kamigawa was a mistake and now we get shit like Kaladesh where skin color matters but culture doesn't. And people are expected to enjoy these settings because of their "diversity" even though they're written like shit.

>>54435907
The company has been completely fucked sideways by John Corporate and the asshats at Hasbro thinking they can do WotC's job better than them.

>shorten Standard for more money
>force design to switch Kaladesh and Amonkhet less than 3 months before release, meaning WotC had to release an artifact set into a Standard that was originally going to have artifact hate in it from Amonkhet already
>force the writing team to completely rewrite Kaladesh from the ground up to push the Gatewatch, who were supposed to disband after Amonkhet's original release
>remove promos for more money
>cannibalize FNM with Standard Showdown and cut Modern events

And after being told this would happen, they put WotC in a fucking arm bar and unleashed a horrible era of Magic into the consumers. WotC is only now regaining their agency as a company.

>>54438111

When Kaya was released, Wizards made a big fucking deal about how they went and hired a consultant (the woman in>>54437475) to get her just right. They skipped giving Eldritch Moon an Epilogue story so we could have a story about Kaya. And there was absolutely nothing special about the story or her. It was just another Magic story, but it was so damned important that they didn't give us an epilogue to wrap up the story of a fan favorite plane, all the while telling us how hard they worked to get it right.

Tell me right now it wasn't polticallt motivated, especially when in Magic's history we've had important black characters, important female characters, and important black female characters. It should just be par for course for Wizards, not a big fucking deal.

>>54437061
>>54437153
fuck off shills

>>54438307
That's a problem with the writing being shit (which I agree with). There's plenty wrong with the writing and the story's direction, but making the black characters white or the girl characters guys and those problems would still be there.

>>54438509

A good deal of it is forcing the Gatewatch. They want face characters for the movie when the worlds themselves have always been Magic's strongest story telling asset. So instead of interesting settings where we do experience the plane through the characters living there we get cheap backdrops for the stage that the Gatewatch plays on.

>>54438555
See
>>54438455

The Gatewatch was going to be broken up long before now, but Hasbro made Wizards switch around blocks so they could market Bolas and start the fiscal year with a bang to pad their numbers. What was going to be the setup for five individual protagonists interacting with the worlds of Magic has been slurred into a revolting cocktail of corporate focus-group cancer as the writing team has bent ass-backwards to try and extend a temporary situation far past the intended due date.

>>54438555
I'm cautiously optimistic that spreading the gatewatch out after they flee from Bolas will improve the story. Having five major recurring characters on every plane clutters the story and we barely have time for the five of them, let alone expanding on the world we're on. If you removed two or three of them from the past two blocks nothing in the story would have changed, and you could have expanded on the 2 or 3 that were on the plane.

>>54438455
>force design to switch Kaladesh and Amonkhet less than 3 months before release, meaning WotC had to release an artifact set into a Standard that was originally going to have artifact hate in it from Amonkhet already

I knew something was off, with all the cycling and discard synergy between Shadow and Amonkhet it felt too weird to not have them back to back

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>>54436220
>Wizards legit fucked up standard with a few untested cards that ended up being way to good and producing T4 kills pretty regularly, and so now people have taken that as a sign that whatever pocket gripe they have with wizards is legitimate and they deserve a personal apology and a pan pizza

You are on the money. Does standard and magic have issues currently? Sure. But people really like to bitch and bitch.

Sure it's not the most fun standard, but if you're not a pathetic cunt who can't enjoy any aspect of life you can still have a good time.

>>54438455
>>force design to switch Kaladesh and Amonkhet less than 3 months before release, meaning WotC had to release an artifact set into a Standard that was originally going to have artifact hate in it from Amonkhet already
>>force the writing team to completely rewrite Kaladesh from the ground up to push the Gatewatch, who were supposed to disband after Amonkhet's original release

Source on these?

>>54436119
Sure, I don't like it when my shit is destroyed, but I like it when I destroy my opponent's shit.

>>54436489
Speaking as a casual player, promos were one of the few items that tempted me to go to FNM. With standard being a money pit, and the past few sets being mostly garbage I have not bothered. Now that promos are toast there is no compelling reason for me to attend FNM.

>>54436601
Oh yeah. I remember winning my first draft so fondly. I opened Nicol Bolas first in M13, built a theme deck and won.

I think it has to do with getting stomped by better cards that casuals arent willing to spend the money on when they enter the game I started with New Phyrexia, so I despise Jace in all his forms since I couldn't afford Jace the mind sculptor, so I basically couldn't play standard.Thank Christ for commander.

>>54436896
The upcoming products lists 'Ixalan' 'Explorers or Ixalan' and 'Rivals of Ixalan'.

>>54438901
Explorers of Ixalan looks like a different product, not a full set. The next series is Ixalan, Rivals of Ixalan, Dominaria, magic 2019.

>>54438901

Explorers of Ixalan is an out-of-the-box multiplayer Magic experience that challenges you to defeat your opponents along the way as you search for the lost city of Orazca.

>>54438960
Thanks Mr WotC marketing.

>>54437599
Yes those are bad things. For the player. Any time the quality of a product is reduced in order to make more money from it, it's a bad thing from the consumer's perspective.
I mean it's not as if WotC or those game devs would go bankrupt if they didn't do these things (and if so, it would be because their product wasn't good to begin with, meaning again that their survival is a bad thing).

>>54438458

Seriously. Sisay and Teferi were big deals. Teferi's still probably my favorite character in Magic.

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If we got a standard year with the powerlevel back to RoE/NP or even before with OG ravnica or Shards I would give them all my money. Until then I'm not dropping a dime.

I will say this much, I have no idea how the FUCK design and development design even one single card keeping in mind 1.)standard, 2.) Modern, 3.)commander, 4.)legacy 5.)reserved list limitations 6.)Hasbro mettling. In fucking possible, it cant be done. Nuke Modern, call it vintage 2: electric boogaloo, scrap all of NWO and start fucking over. They need a plan to unironically make magic great again, not "let's double down on these nonsense policies that only alienate our core demographic who literally built this company for us by buying in to our ups and downs for over a decade. Yeah we need more strong independent women of color in magic".

>>54439697
Forgot that they have do design around sealed, draft, AND constructed when designing a set. Impossible.

What when wrong is they forgot how to money. Making bad decisions left and right just because mean minoroty on the internet is unhappy. Fuck them, sex sells we all know that. Artworks don't have to be very lewd, you can make sexy stuff without showing any skin! Also the thing with Standard, it was supposed to be an quick and easy way to get into Magic and give players a lot of deck options that can compeate with one another, instead it is a format dominated by pregenerated meta just like YuGiOh. It is pathetic YuGiOh is more compeditive then magic and suits pro players more, because Wizards are pushing pro play so hard and pandering to them, still did not beat YuGiOh that does not give a flying fuck about the Pro Players.

>>54436502
>Wizards don't know what they want their game to be, and it's making their players confused. And since this game isn't cheap, this confusion is leading to anger.
Amazing observation

>>54437032
Fuck the other guys replying to you, I agree 100%. Want to hear a fun fact? The one girl I know who actually *enjoys* playing magic loves the lewd playmats people bring in. She likes to be "one of the guys", she doesn't want to sit in the designated safe space Tumblr table.

>>54438111
Your head is too far up your own ass, you won't understand until magic leaves you behind as well

Since Zendikar and New Phyrexia brought in new players, they decided to ignore their enfranchised players and try to grab as many new players each set as possible. This resulted in everything post-Avacyn Restored, culminating in Theros, Khans, BFZ and SOI and Kaladesh blocks. Dumbing down abilities and mechanics that didn't need it, forcing the Gatewatch down everyone's throats and treating new players like they're retarded.

This led to Standard devolving into a fucking shitshow, producing Abzan Midrange, Collected Company (I loved this deck but apparently other people hated it), Mardu Vehicles and the recent bannings. Combo took over because they got rid of good counters and instant-speed removal, creatures became way too good and board wipes became five mana.

>>54438455
You're gonna have to cite some of those sources bud

>>54438555
Hasbro's made bank with Transformers/GI joe movies, they're forcing Mtg into this gatewatch narrative so they can milk it sideways.

>>54439697
>>54439714
Are you retarded? The entire point of keeping Vintage, Modern, Legacy, and Standard separate is so that they don't have worry about those other formats.

The current set is designed around 2 things: what is currently legal in Standard and what will be legal in Standard after the next rotation. Why do you think the banned and restricted lists for Modern, Vintage, and Legacy are so fuckhuge while Standard's is 5 cards?

>>54436075
Yeah this bretty much.

>>54439818
/tg/ is obviously co-opted and one of the most tumblr boards on here, next to /cgl/ and /co/.
Like look at this guy:
>>54437153
That's the lmao of cognitive dissonance. It's something you'll pick up on. Every liberal does that. Shhh, that's spicy tech we save.

>>54439818
What about the people, guys and girls, who *enjoy* playing magic and don't care for lewd playmats? Does not wanting to look at your fetish on a playmat while I'm trying to play a card game make me tumblr? This is the dumbest hill to die on.

>the problem of MTG are that there are brown people on cards and mean SJWs don't want me to show anime titties on my playmat
That's how the world rolls you neckbeards. This game is going to shit because wizards is filled with incompetent idiots that don't have the slight idea what they're doing. You don't attract more players by partecipating at gay prides (i guess it's good for their public image but still). You attract new people by lowering the fucking paywall and creating healthy formats. You can attract normies all you want, but as long as they are forced to spend 300$ on cardboard just to play in the budget format of the game only to be crushed by the same 2 unfair decks, they will never stick around. I can't believe they took YEARS to realize that having a squad of people that understand the game to balance it is a good investment. Now they only need to understand that there's nothing bad in people being competitive at FNMs, and if they want to encourage new players to partecipate maybe selling them decent complementary products like good event decks or toolkits instead of shilling terrible PW decks that aside from having a shiny useless card on top of them are shittier than the average sealed deck and cost just as much.

>>54439901
This is objectively not true. MaRo has straight up said they have to design around so much shit, design and development need representatives going back and forth axing and reworking shit due to they're interactions with other formats. Listen to his podcasts, specifically on Standard and Modern. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/media/podcasts

He flat out states they have to design not only around sealed/draft/constructed but they have to design around the sets rotating in, sets rotating out, modern, commander, and yes even legacy. You probably don't know that sets are developed about 2 years early, again because you don't really know what your talking about, like how Kaladesh was done on 2015.

So yes, there's WAY too much shit to design and develop around, to the point that now all we get in standard is "Lol tokens" followed by "lol +1/+1 counters"

>>54439947
It's warning about the slippery slope. Today it's no lewd mats, tomorrow its a weight/neckbeard policy.

>>54440091
implying a weight/neckbeard policy would be a bad thing

>>54440091
Well that's a shitty slippery slope.

>>54440091
>banning neckbeards
I'm totally behind this

>>54440091
I wouldn't mind

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>>54440091
It's not a slippery slope. I like lewd shit more than the average person but the last thing I want to have is people just flaunting that shit in the open. I do not want to attract people who don't have the grace to keep that shit on the down-low.

Because you just can't draw the fucking line anywhere borderline; are half nips okay; is cameltoe okay; are dickbulges okay? What is over the line; what is under the line. The only way to be consistent is to let people have whatever they want on their playmats or just say no sketchy shit. And I'd much rather just not allow sketchy shit just so we can pretend it's a safe place for 13 year olds or whatever the fuck is the age minimum for this game. Because the last thing I want is some reasonable person who gets a little bit butthurt about flagrant sexuality to be turned off the game; I'd much rather have that sensitive type than some person who thinks it's okay to have heaving Morrigan tits on the table.

>>54440061
>Designing around Commander

If that's true that's just retarded. Commander is a fan made game mode. It caught popularity in several metas, sure, but designing around it would be like GW designing around a 1v1 HQ only battle.

>>54440091
Overweight people should be put in special jails to force them to lose weight for their own good anyway.

>>54440091
>>54440118
>>54440129
>>54440137
>>54440142

First they came for the combo and control decks and I said nothing because I wasn't a faggot
then they came for anime, and I said nothing because I wasn't a faggot
then they came for the neckbeards and I said nothing because I wasn't a faggot
AND THEN they came for you because you were a faggot and nobody was left to hear you cry.

The slippery slope can't be called a fallacy when it keeps fucking happening.

>>54438898
That's the problem wizards is not seeing, people don't want to go to standard events because they don't want to spend 200+ dollars for cards that are going to be completely usless in a few months, people that don't play magic don't want to get into the game because intimidated by the price for competitive decks in modern and standard and you can't blame them for not wanting to spend 500+ for cardboard with pretty figures.

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>>54435907

As far as I can tell it's this

You know how when you first started playing magic, it looked like the strongest strategy was to mana-accelerate get the biggest honkin monster and throw it at your opponent's honkin monster, until someone ran out of life?

Remember how later you learned how to actually play a Blue or Red or Black deck properly, and used card integrations to get the most out of spells, effects and the like, ultimately outpacing the value of "the biggest creature wins lol" (save in certain cases where the interraction's end result was SUDDENLY A GIANT FUCKING CREATURE,) and the game became more about tactical use of spells than just throwing creatures and running them at each other..... well they took that second bit away. It really is just about mana-accelerating and throwing the bigger creature at your opponent, or in some rare cases the bigger lump of creature tokens.

>>54440174
His podcasts go more in depth but here's an article for your viewing. It touches on how they have to consider all formats when designing cards for one: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/developing-cards-commander-2015-11-06

>>54440237
FACT. Only people that argue the Slippery slope fallacy exists are nazi's trying to pretend that you can have small nazi things and not have it lead to larger nazi things.

>>54440237
Cut the retoric m'gentlesir, unwashed neckbeards that sperg every time they see a girl while still proudly displaying naked 12 yo girls on their playmat are 10 times more harmful to the image of the game than the quotas of brown or gay people depicted on cards. Showering does not sound like a steep price to get in a FNM

The biggest thing holding Wizards back is their refusal to take responsibility for their game. They rely on game stores (outdated businesses in this day and age) to host their entry-level weekly tournaments, volunteers to Judge their game and make game-defining rules calls, and the secondary market to host their regional qualifiers.
They want to make as much profit as they can with as little effort as possible, and it results in a severe lack of knowledge on how the game is played, why people play it and how it's enforced. Granted, it's a business, but their hands-off approach means that the game will always be stuck as a niche, low-income hobby instead of a tournament scene worth caring about.
The Pro Tours, the World Championships and the World Magic Cup are supposed to be the most prestigious tournaments for Magic, but they barely have 100k prize pools. Meanwhile the International has prize pools in the tens of millions of dollars, while Pro Tour 25th anniversary has to have a secondary exhibition tournament at the same time in order to reach a one million dollar prize pool.
The difference is in how Valve handles the game and their competitive scene. As long as Wizards/Hasbro relies on word-of-mouth and mom-and-pop stores to handle their games, it's never going to grow and it'll eventually go the way of the dodo.

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>>54440174
Then explain why we get so many cards clearly designed just for EDH?

You can't play this piece of shit in sealed, draft, modern, legacy, or standard. What does that leave? The casual format of choice: EDH. I mean, sure, there have always been janky kitchentable only cards, but they've really been going all out the last few years to print EDH cards. The "each opponent" clauses have been popping up on cards like weeds.

>>54440237
I'm not saying it's a fallacy. I'm saying I don't give a fuck. I'd be happy to never see an unshowered neckbeard in my lgs ever again.

>>54440311
>Valve
>games

Gaben hasn't made a videogame since Reagan was prime minister.

Wizards just needs to make MTGO not garbage, but they're hamstrung by neets who spent thousands of dollars on imaginary cardboard cards.

>>54440308
>>54440345
Are you saying businesses should have the right to deny customers who's views they don't agree with service? That's exactly the type of rhetoric that made it so that people could restrict blacks or gays or communists from businesses.

>>54440367
They already do have that right.

Fat smelly neckbeard with a lewd lolis on his playmat is not a protected class.

>>54435907
Right now? Hunny, MAgic always facing supposed crisis. Right now the biggest issues are WotC's apparent inability to make competent decisions concerning the game. They changed block rotation as well as the way they were telling stories two years ago or so, only for them to recently take it all back or change it further because of the public outcry. During the same amount of time they've also consistently failed to provide a fun and balanced Standard format.

But, I mean, the game is itself inherently flawed. Just the fact that it is a game where nearly all (at least 99%) of the complexity comes from the cards you play and the way they interact with other cards in play rather than the base rules of the decisions you have to make during play should send some kind of alarm in your head ringing. And then there's the whole TCG model which necessities that WorC makes the supply of cards scarce to keep the interest in buying cards alive. And there's so much more. Like, fuck. I can't even comprehend why people still play this game.

>>54440389
>Just the fact that it is a game where nearly all (at least 99%) of the complexity comes from the cards you play and the way they interact with other cards in play rather than the base rules of the decisions you have to make during play should send some kind of alarm in your head ringing.
Please expand on why you think this.

>>54440381
He is being discriminated against based on his health, not everyone can experience thin-privilege like you anon. And so what if he likes kids anon, if a kid is old enough to choose their gender they're old enough to choose their partner.

>>54440381
I don't want people banner because they're fat or because they don't trim their beards. I want people banned because they don't shower, or because they're pedophiles in denial. Would you want your 12 yo kid to play against a guy proudly displaying 12 yo traps on his playmat? Do you enjoy playing agaisnt people that shower you with a stench of death and decay at every breath? We're not talking about making laws, we're talking about banning them from social events. Do you think those people would be allowed to get into a club or a dinner party, or do you think everyone not wanting to be around a disgusting man child is a nazi?

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I don't know. I normally play standard and it's just not fun anymore. Ever since KTK rotated and left us with CoCo the game has been almost 100 percent about value. Aetherworks Marvel plopping down whatever bomb is in the top 6 cards of the deck just churning out advantage because there is zero way to interact with the Energy mechanic, Delirium getting 4 creatures off of Ishkana to gum up the board, Jeskai/4c Saheeli being able to durdle long enough to get an infinite win out, back to temur energy which just keeps going like it's a fucking energizer battery, monument decks absolutely shitting out creatures like it's no tomorrow to the point where boardwipes mean nothing even if the don't have selfless spirit.

It's just boring. And with Amonkhet block being such an underperformer, Ixalan is make-or-break from the format being Kaladesh Block Constructed splash glorybringer.

>>54436600
Why do these hack writers always get jobs with major companies? They aren't skilled enough to handle racial themes in any kind of compelling or interesting way. You could take any given tumblrite and tell them to write a story about a multi-coloured group of snowflakes trying to kill whitey and all of those stories would be exactly the same.

>>54436525
Theres an easy solution here.
Give promos to every participant.

>>54440530
Nepotism.

>>54440311
>The biggest thing holding Wizards back is their refusal to take responsibility for their game. They rely on game stores (outdated businesses in this day and age) to host their entry-level weekly tournaments, volunteers to Judge their game and make game-defining rules calls, and the secondary market to host their regional qualifiers.
I wonder how the fuck they're going to keep this whole Magic train going when the outdated game store dies like the bookstore has died.

It doesn't make sense for Wizards to support physical play spaces. You look around at actual clubs traditionally organized by volunteers: running groups, horseshoes, lawn bowling, charity groups, gun clubs, and the like - they all own property. Even card clubs like bridge have the financial means to support paying for space to rent spaces to play. This all goes to say that "old people" were organized. And even if their clubs go to shit because nobody cares about their sort of games, they had an actual building and organization to work with.

What the fuck does Magic have. Magic players are so used to being cheap bastards and having events run by the generosity of volunteers that the sheer idea of paying a committee and paying dues to ensure there's a space to play is just beyond their understanding. People won't even pay the store a minimal fee to play in the space; people can just show up and it's a part of the "culture" to pay nothing and still use the space.

Ultimately, are we just wasting our fucking time? Stores are going to eat shit within a decade easily at this rate and the game is hemorrhaging good will as the Internet points out how fucking useless Wizards is.

>>54440566
No see that would make sense.

Some of the big problems not covered by the first couple of posts:
1) Power levels of new sets are GARBAGE and power is directly tired to rarity, minus 2 or 3 cards.
2) Wizards main format standard is just worthless, pushing mythics so hard they get banned within months or weeks and refusing to print removal.
Seriously after Ixalan comes out the ONLY removal in black (the kill shit color) will have ONE instant speed removal spell that's not 4+ mana.

>>54440620
The problem is that people put too much fucking weight on prizes for a WEEKLY play gathering. I am hesitant to use the word tournament because a tournament implies that it's a big deal. FNM is not a big deal.

To me, an indisputable improvement to Magic players would be getting over demanding that there are prizes. People should pay for entry, and expect nothing if they win besides bragging rights and maybe a statistical number; oh like, the fucking ELO system we had before Planeswalker points. I'm not saying the ELO system was good, but the point is that the primary motivator for playing with others should simply be the act of playing with others.

>>54440613

Even the trading part is dying. Everyone I know just uses shit like Magiccardmarket instead of physically trading with grognards.

Magic will just become full on kitchentable if LGS go away.

It doesn't help that MTGO is so much shit as well.

>>54440693
True but if they were gonna have promos they should have gone to everybody.

>>54440669
I remember how much everyone bitched and moaned about Fatal Push being printed.

>>54440699
If Magic went full kitchen-table, there is going to be zero motivation to design for draft anymore.

Like, just imagine what happens. Even though kitchen-table accounts for a huge portion of sales, paper sales still go down the shitter due to the singles market collapsing and the fact that it's impossible to organize a draft without a store to babysit. And they're going to do their famous "market research" and discover that no more drafts in a store due to stores going extinct means that only the online game is drafting at all.

And here's the funny thing. Some dipshit in a suit is going to say, "well, if we can't make RIDICULOUS amounts of paper and online money, I'm not going to settle for LUDICROUS online money online; slash the Limited development budget!"

>>54440738
Yeah I know. But when we had good promos everyone just bitched that stores held out on the promos only to sell them elsewhere. So we just got shit promos. And now people are complaining about shit promos. And now, when we get good promos again, I'm sure some unscrupulous store will hold out and people will bitch; if they're not too busy bitching about how FNM promos are going away.

Nix prizes. Just fucking give nothing. Reserve promos for the biggest events only. The average player needs to not expect to get their dick sucked for stomping locals.

>>54440799
Not designing for limited but for Standard would make me a very happy camper.

>>54440799
Holy shit were stores really holding on to promos? That's tremendously shitty.

>>54440832
If you fail to design for Limited then the booster pack model becomes 100% gambling bullshit. Right now you can at least use the excuse there's a game attached to opening packs (even though many people just open shit without drafting).

>>54440835
It's tremendously shitty but it's an overblown problem. Any store that behaves that shitty develops a reputation and for the most part people are vindictive shits. For the most part stores aren't that shit so killing good promos pissed off more players than it did to encourage would-be bad stores to play nice.

But what the fuck do I know. I don't manage Wizards' store-complaints department.

>>54439150
I haven't slept in 3 days and for some reason that stupid comment with the absurdity of >>54438948
comment made me start laughing so hard that I cried.

>>54440888
Why don't you sleep then?

>>54440867
But that's what boosters already are. Draft and sealed have not been good since original Innistrad block.

>>54440468
I think everyone who needs rules to exclude such a person instead of talking to him/her about his behaviour is really close to the way nazis handled things

>>54440959
>Draft and sealed have not been good since original Innistrad block.
I think that's bullshit. And I'm not addressing you but the general sentiment from players who say this.

I think that sort of talk is just people parroting what the pros think about draft/sealed. The pros play a stupid amount of Magic; much more than the people who say that Limited hasn't been good since Innistrad.

I'm not saying each Limited format is good, but you can easily explore the worst one half a dozen times easily and I know the vast majority of players don't draft that often to claim to have played anything to death. They just claim whatever the pros claim about the set and refuse to experience it themselves. They listen to all the strategies instead of sitting down with 7 other people on the regular and explore the set themselves; they spoil themselves by listening to the fucking pros who have no lives besides Magic and claim their experience as their own.

I don't get to draft often because it's fucking impossible to get people together. I refuse to believe that any draft within the past ten years is so bad that you can't crank out a dozen drafts of it until you get bored because a dozen drafts is hardly enough to explore each archetype more than two or three times.

>>54436075
>one of the same 5 planeswalkers gets printed every set, and the art all looks like promotional art for a PS2 game.
These hurt the most.

Time spiral re-do when

>>54441015
I own an Innistrad cube, made up from the boosterboxes I bought back then, so yes, we do. But I will grant you I haven't drafted anything as often as Innistrad or RtR.

>>54440468
Nazis were not that ugly. Watch your mouth girl. Dont Godwin point on mtg discussion it's irrelevent, pointless and higly disrespectful of the memory of their victims.

>>54440835
Stores have to report who gets each of their prize cards so that WotC can verify that the people who received actually was supposed to get them. However, if a store reports that they have "lost" some of the promos and therefore couldn't hand them out to the winners there's nothing Wizards can do about it.

>>54436743
So whats wrong with this picture? alright their drawing is pretty damn shit but i generally dont think judging someone's character based on how they look is an effective way of doing things. Sure they look old enough to be my old math teacher and the dyed hair dosent help, but maybe theyre actual, real fans of the game with broken-ass storm decks like everybody here.

>>54441015
>you can easily explore the worst one half a dozen times
That's not very many drafts. And I'd argue that the worst formats have been even more shallow than that. In large part because of how blunt Wizards are about block themes and color pair directions. You rarely need more than two or three drafts to figure out what each color pair is supposed to do and then, that's it. There's usually nothing more to discover beyond that point.

>>54441188
Shame.

>>54438458
The dumbest thing about that was that they were trying to make the character act like a member of a socioeconomic group that doesn't exist in her world. There is no context in setting for sassy African-American women. The cultural background just isn't there. She's trying to be "authentic" in entirely the wrong setting.

>>54435907
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/888096172124065793
YAS!

Those retards focus more on that kind of pandering than on the actual playability and well-being of the game.

>>54436075
also every format now costs way more than your average fucko wants to pay, and thanks to wotc's jewery and mtg veterans' crab mentality, no one wants to dial down the prices so that this chilluns card game might survive to 2020

also the only formats that are still decent are coincidentally completely detached from wotc's shitty printing practices and are cheap to play (limited, cube draft, commander) yet wotc doesn't seem to notice that

wotc is doing their best to ruin commander too though

I wanted to start mtg but reading this thread has made me get out. However I like the idea of a collectable card game, what's one that does everything right?

>>54442081
>card game
>not dead
>not mtg

pick 2

>>54442096
>not dead
>not mtg
>not 40k

>>54442018
They can only kill it by printing full autismo commanders.

>>54442081
mtg does everything right if you play kitchentable/edh.

>Given up on standard and modern
>Proxy-Play legacy because it's pretty big in my area
>EDH is literally the only reason why I still buy mtg products.

Thank fuck they release a dedicated product each year for it.

>>54442258
which they are currently kind of doing. they aren't printing anything that can dethrone the maximum autism 5-color food chain combo tutor, but they are streamlining a lot of commander choices. every commander they print makes another 2 obsolete.

prosh is simply the best jund commander no matter what you want to do. oloro is just something you can drop on the command zone and he will provide you with free value through lifegain. jeleva is just a "if you want to cast huge spells for free with zero effort on your part, pick me" scrubby spikebait commander. none of the shit that wotc prints for commander would ever fly in standard. the newest commander set has a commander that gives you free fucking giant growths every combat from the COMMAND ZONE with no cost on your part. you get 1 card and 1 mana worth of value FOR FREE.

obviously you can argue that more degenerate things exist in commander, but the vast majority of commander player avoid those archetypes because that's what they are, degenerate. but to see wotc itself intentionally printing such shitty blatant, horridly designed power creeped cards for the casual type of commander just worries me a lot about the format's future

>>54441130
>tfw love time spiral but no one else wants to splurge for a box just to draft it in my group
feels bad man, they will never redo it

>>54442018
Commander had an opportunity to be saved but they blew it with the very first commander decks. EDH was always a cancerous format but it grew because it was so casual people wouldn't build every deck with all the vintage staples they could find. But then Wizards had to go and print Sol Ring and Skull Clamp and various (cheap) vintage cards in every deck when they should have just banned them. Now they can't ban them because it will make the precon decks they sell unplayable and the format is a complete shit show because of it.

Now it's Babby's First Vintage: The Format and is definitely driving the prices of ABU duals and various mana rocks to the point where you either have them and can play or don't and cannot.

>>54442381
>a commander that gives you free fucking giant growths every combat from the COMMAND ZONE with no cost on your part
Didn't those retards said that Oloro was a mistake? Holy shit what the fuck are they on?

>>54436593
>MTG seemed to be very popular and stable before they decided to want to change everything.

It's an inherent problem for larger, more stockholder-run companies that you can't just be making money, you have to be making ALL the money. You need to maximize your profits. Sure the game is successful, but you have all these casual players who you theoretically could be monetizing more... well, let's start tweaking things and appealing to them to get their money! And nobody thinks about what effect this will have on your established consumer-base.

>>54437950
>Card stock quality is at an all time low.

Here's something I didn't notice at first but noticed yesterday while I was alphabetizing my red cards. The card quality is RIDICULOUSLY bad now compared to older cards. They feel way more flimsy, and I think the ink quality is considerably worse too (colors don't look as vivid).

>>54443024
Must be because of le sjw pandering le everything was le better in le olden days XdXdXd

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>>54435907
Wizards is trying really hard to ensure they can capture newer players by making the Standard environment more enticing, which has lead to a myriad of questionable decisions which include

>Pushing mythic rares really hard in a make-or-break fashion that has either enabled mythic rares to make up a chunk of the meta or become worthless even in Commander
>Pushing rares as a whole to try and create excitement to open new packs, creating a meta where, at the base level of understanding, having all good rares and mythics you can run in a deck will net you a good win condition over the player who doesn't have all the rares and mythics
>Pushing cards as a whole so hard they have to be banned because nobody thought that something would be as powerful or annoying during testing, pushing them to form a committee that actually does through testing for them
>Pushing some cards purely for Limited, simply so new players who go to prerelease don't get upset that someone pulled two of the same pushed Mythic and completely smashed the table
>Unusuals in card form purely to push pack sales, with everyone defending it by saying "Well now the cards are cheaper as a result!!!"
>Pushing Standard as the premier way to play despite how new players won't even understand what formats are to begin with (this happens almost all the time whenever a new player walks into the LGS I go to)
>Pushing Standard-related events to try and get more people to play the Standard format
>Changing the Standard rotation structure three times in a row due to a complete misunderstanding of why people - namely new players - don't like Standard to begin with because it clearly has to do with the timing of set rotations, not just the fact that sets rotate entirely
>Complete disregard for statistical evidence that shows players actually aren't happy with what Wizards is doing and making decisions based on that

And much, much more

>>54441762
>She's trying to be "authentic" in entirely the wrong setting

This is what gets me about it, and a bunch of similar things in other unrelated /tg/ stuff.

As a brit, I hate seeing US race politics injected into things that don't need it. Show me literally any other racial or political conflict that's not the USA and I'll be more interested, because I'm tired of having US issues shoved into media that doesn't need to deal with it, or worse still, displacing other issues that could be discussed in it.

>>54436075
>One of 5 walkers gets printed every set
This one pisses me off the most by a fucking mile. There's ~9 Chandras and only two of them are remotely viable. There's at least that many Lilianas and we've gotten a new Nissa every set since fucking Tarkir ended. And god forbid WOTC print more than one answer for walkers per year.

Meanwhile it took almost a decade to get a new Nicol Bolas and he's the damn BBEG.

>>54442381
I disagree with printing generals for commander specifically, and would rather see people making decks that go around cards not built explicitly for that format, because that starts to invalidate the entire idea of the format as it started.

>>54443058
>open one box of MM17
>lay everything out
>start noticing wilting within minutes
>weird colorations (ink either too dark or too light), odd card texture, etc on multiple cards despite such a small sample
>compare to contents of Fallen Empires booster box I opened as a retarded child
>cards still straight, no quality control issues
>go to comic shop
>newer cards, especially MM17, are consistently curling
Their card quality has fallen to the point they could print booster packs with nothing but dual lands, and I would be afraid to open them because they could dissolve in my hands or some shit. It's the worst part of the game right now, hands down.

>>54443182
Anecdotes is not evidence fagnard

>>54443182
MM17 is fine.

Conspiracy 2 had some wacky fucking print runs. I cracked a black common that had no black colouring on it, and looked like an artifact. I also got an artifact that missed the black ink job, and is impossible to read. AND I got that BR darietti with the same issue.

>>54436649
>market research

The same reason as always.

>>54436926
Depends on the criteria, Liliana of the Veil would probably be considered too lewd of a playmat for them. Extreme cases of chainmail bikini or naked would is a bit tasteless, but people like that want to censor every inch of exposed flesh.

>>54443635
>Liliana of the Veil would probably be considered too lewd of a playmat for them.
You're gonna need to give me a reason to believe that.

>>54442756
It only works for Cats.

Unfortunately Amonkhet gave us 2 amazing, cheap cats that generate more.

>>54443661
it only works for cats so you can't really abuse it to do something super degenerate like infect, but still, that card is going to be banned in Duel Commander for sure.

i think Duel Commander is kind of a goofy format, but it's a good canary in the coal mine for normal commander in the sense that if something gets banned there, it's probably a pretty retardedly designed card. and lo and behold, like half the "banned as commander" cards in Duel Commander are stuff that WotC explicitly printed for Commander.

>>54441003
>I think office dress codes, club standards, church/temple acceptability, and high class restaurants are run by nazi's and we shouldn't judge a person by their actions like how the law works

>>54440699
There is nothing wrong with using the more convenient method to buy cards. Most of the time I check someone's binder they just have trash for standard, or 1 copy of a card that I need. Buying your whole deck through trading is huge a pain in the ass.

>>54440091
That slopes a little too slippery. Your looking for more of a
>Today its lewd mats that show too much skin
>Tomorrow its mats that have "unrealistic body standards
>After that itll be the female form all together

Personally my mat is a generic coat of arms looking design so ill be safe until the heraldric lion penises are noticed

>>54442604
Yeah, you literally cannot play EDH if you don't have all of the original dual lands available in your colors.

>>54440530
Because good writers go off to write their own works.

These established franchises only attract the hacks who spent their teen years jerking off over their shitty fanfictions. No self respecting artist or writer wants to be known as that guy who went and propagated someone else's crap writing. It's the one's that can't come up with even a basic idea that end up in places like Marvel and Wizards.

>>54443138
Underrated post

>>54438458
>Hire a black consultant to design Kaya
>Kaya has an afro, a sassy expression, and the abilities on her card involve stealing from opponents and going to jail for a turn
Nailed it.

>>54443987
If I didn't think Kaya was actually someone's idea of unique and diverse, I'd think this was a joke. Someone deciding that the only way to one-up their broad fantasy archetype walkers is to just make racial stereotype walkers.
>grump in hood
>nature man with no shirt
>attractive powerful silver haired vampire man
>nature elf
>fiery red head
>pretty evil person
>how Fox views black women

>>54443547
The real question is, what market are they agressively focusing on?
We know videogames usually get a bunch of preteen boys and load their questions to guide all the answers to "make it more like CoD", but what tiny group does Wizards use, and how do they load their questions to get the result they predetermined they wanted?

>>54437032
What in nerd culture have feminists taken away from you, other than your ignorance that some of the things you do are offputting to others? You can still play magic or DnD. There are more pen and paper games than ever, there are more niche autism games than ever, and there is more interest in /tg/ than there has been in years.

Are you really upset because some people have the gall to be critical of some of the worst aspects of things you like, and rather than admitting you were wrong or maybe there's something to the belief of the other side, you go full sperg mode about how feminists are taking away nerd culture from you with their massive power? In what universe is that possibly true man? What, did a bunch of chicks with mohawks come and flip your table at the LGS? Store owner force you to wear a chastity belt? Buddies call you out for saying some racist/sexist shit? What happened that was so awful that you can't be decent?

PS if you aren't aware, the fact that you spend so much time looking for awful things the evil feminists do (and the relatively minor things you find) should clue you in to the fact that you have a skewed worldview.

>>54437869
I mean, you say that clearly thinking your being clever, but they aren't claiming you don't actually believe that, just that you're wrong.

So either you really didn't think that response through or you genuinely have resorted to the trolling techniques of a 7 year old.

>>54443836
>heraldic lion PENISES
TRIGGERED. Prepare to get party vanned you misogynistic cis male! Once we 'fix' you, you will never think of doing something so horrible ever again!

>>54438898
>started playing during the age of cawblade.
I'm so sorry anon. I started during Alara-Zendikar standard and the meta was a million times less cancerous. I stopped playing at FNM until RtR-Theros where I had a blast playing what was the equivalent of dredge.

>>54444494
I think it's pretty much the same group. There is a lot of evidence for that, for example Jace and The Gatewatch being "extremely popular".

>Oh that guy in a hoodie looks kind of cool, like in those Assasin's Creed games.
>Wow, so they are superheroes? Like in those Marvel movies? So cool

>>54437599

Lets be honest, its not really capitalism, its idealism. We have good examples of two large companies seeing decreased profits following their attempts at inclusion. Magic is the one that hits home, but Marvel comics have notably recently seen a downturn that they publicly blame on their attempts at being inclusive. Additionally, on the video game end of things, Anita has specifically caught shit for advising that 'if you appeal to these demographics in this way you'll make more money' and then having that not work (as in, she was paid to advise, her advice was bad, then company wrote a negative op ed). The problem is that the demographics they are trying to appeal to aren't going to spend money on these things for any number of reasons. For instance, promoting racial diversity is nice and all, but forgetting that whites in america still outnumber minorities something like 7 to 1 is something you do at your own peril, from a marketing standpoint.

contd

>>54444558
>What in nerd culture have feminists taken away from you
Standards.

>>54444927

And that's what this is to be sure, marketing. Magic has always had gay and trans and colored characters in some form or another, but now they're being actively marketed in an obviously disingenuous fashion. When every new character put out by magic has to virtue signal it eventually effects the bottom line. Of the last 5 new planeswalker character (over 2 years and several blocks) 4 of them have been female, and 3 of them have been minority. This is a game where we could have planeswalkers of all shapes and sizes and species and you're telling me 3 out of 5 times you came up with colored female? Dovin Baan is the only non-female non-human we get? Like, fighting games get shit for featuring too many men, but look at standard, 17 of 31 available walkers are female! Which is the complete inverse of the player base! Theres a lot going on in wizards marketing and design, and a lot of it is a push for diversity and simplification in anticipation of audiences brought by a movie that never materialized and now it's actively backfiring on them.

>>54444558

Feminists actively made Mass Effect Andromeda and it's a pile of shit. People got into positions in that company on their gender and politics and not for their actual capabilities. It produced a shit product. Which is an active example of >>54444947

I think the worst part of current magic is just how boring the art is
Like is there anyone who doesn't get bored by 1000 photorealistic paintings with next to none artistic variance, or at least barely any recognizable styles remaining

Inb4 someone brings up therese nielsen

>>54444948
Dovin Baan
Arlinn Kord: Female
Kaya and Samut: Black Female
Saheeli: Indian Female

Damn, you're right...holy shit

>>54444948
>there's too many lady planes walkers!!!

Nigga you gay

>>54444948
17 of 31 being female isn't really that bad. Although I agree that more of them should be non-human.

>>54444927
I don't get how "promoting racial diversity" would be a negative just because whites outnumber minorities. It's a cheap feel good message everyone can enjoy, and that's why they're pushing it.

>>54444971
Okay, so there's one example where a company (bioware) ruined a game they made (which, lets be fair, they did without feminists with the ending of 3), and they got what they deserved (sales were Garbage, so much so that they aren't makinga sequel). But you're right, it was truly feminism and not shitty business ideas plus a poorly made game that ruined mass effect Andromeda

>>54436216
>refers to Timmy
Rudy? Is that you?

>>54444971
Feminists also made mass effect. EA being cheap fucks and pushing a game 1 year before it was done out the door is what made ME:A suck.

>>54445044

Its a negative from a marketing standpoint. You pander to the largest money spending audience. If a marketing person came up to me and said 'lets advertise just to blacks' I'd call them fucking crazy because you're purposely targeting a small audience. That's the logic here.

>>54445145
You can advertise to both at the same time.

>>54445101

It was poorly made because the staff was incompetent. People have taken specific umbrage with the art director being obviously not qualified, but there are more examples.

Also
>Real world example to back up your thoughts?
>So what!

>>54445195

If you could do that easily and consistently without risk then every company would have been doing it since day one.

>>54445205
>It was poorly made because the staff was incompetent
That's generally what happens when you oust the talent in your company so you can fill the quota of niggers and mental fuckups you've been told your company should hire.

>>54445044
>It's a cheap feel good message everyone can enjoy
But it's not. Not really.

The core premise is that people like seeing characters that resemble them. You can argue that this isn't necessarily true for a number of reasons but, even if it IS TRUE, it's a bad idea.

IF IT'S TRUE that black (and brown, yellow, red, purple, plaid, what have you) people don't buy X because it doesn't have enough <color> in it then there's the problem that those people represent just a tiny section of prospective customers. By pursuing 10% of the pie you're choosing not to pursue the other 90%. So it's just bad marketing to do this.

The problem is they didn't ask black kids or women why they do or don't buy MtG. They asked some liberal arts goofball who has about as much in common with and insight into the mind of your average black youth or young girl as Sumner Redstone (actually, I'm sure that guy knows a lot more about what the kids want). They asked an idiot, they got idiotic advice. What more is there to say?

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>>54443836
don't worry though, you'll always be able to use a playmat with this female form on it

>>54438111

Sisay was black because of where she was from ON DOMINARIA and there was never a big deal made about her black-ness from a marketing perspective. Wizards has actively touted that they've hired a black consultant and done interviews with that black consultant about her work with the company and role in the creation of new black characters. This is wizards shouting HEY BUY OUR DIVERSE PRODUCT. If it were actually diverse with good intentions, it would be handled like Sisay. It isn't.

Furthermore, you know its exactly the above when wizards starts spouting off about trans or agendered characters being 'a new thing' to the game when they've been there for years. Shapeshifters are actively transgender by nature, and they purposely did the Samus thing with Volrath. Xantcha was a highly prominent character with no junk. Wizards is disregarding their own history to come up with marketing points.

>>54443142
>BBEG

Ugh

>>54445362
But those groups aren't mutually exclusive. Kaya isn't only for black people just like Jace isn't only for white people. Unless your argument is that making non-white planeswalkers pushes white people away. Marketing toward specific groups doesn't come at a deterrent of marketing to others. Magic has a rich history of characters that someone can look at and identify with. Wanting to make that group more diverse to appeal to more people doesn't seem like a bad business move to me. You're losing nothing, Jace and Gideon are always going to be around to market to the large white male demo.

>>54445362
>By pursuing 10% of the pie you're choosing not to pursue the other 90%.

This only holds if you think all white people are racist enough that they'll only buy things where the characters are 90+% white.

>>54445602
>Marketing toward specific groups doesn't come at a deterrent of marketing to others.
>Jace and Gideon are always going to be around to market to the large white male demo

these two lines are all the proof anyone needs that you are completely retarded. Please stop polluting the threads blabbering about things you don't understand and kindly fuck off.

>>54445602
>Marketing toward specific groups doesn't come at a deterrent of marketing to others
SO WHY DID IT EVER MATTER IN THE FIRST PLACE TO ANYONE

KNOW WHAT I IDENTIFY WITH?

GOOD GAMEPLAY

>>54445759
If you care about good gameplay than the skin color of the character in the art on the cardboard you're playing shouldn't matter :^)

dem prices yo

magic may be the best TCG, but fuck how much it costs as a game compared to it's modern competition

>>54445759
If you cared about good gameplay you wouldn't be playing magic: the pay-to-win :^)

My Sliver Queen playmat got banned because it doesn't accurately represents motherhood and the progressive views of todays american society.

>>54445602
>>54445628
>>54445715
>>54445759
>>54445787

Ok people, follow this logic. If black people aren't buying things because there's not enough black representation, then it follows that white people won't buy things if there isn't enough white representation. If this somehow makes one party racist it makes both parties racist. It also doesn't matter if it's racist or not from a marketing perspective, it just matters if that is in fact what happens. There is plenty of discussion and indication in the thread that character representation matters to the bottom line, but not in a way that is favorable to minorities and women in these hobbies. There are not enough women and minorities in traditionally male hobbies to support attempting to shift your market towards them. If there somehow are enough, then they aren't spending enough and that's all that matters to the company.

>>54445787
When Wizards putting resources elsewhere to cater to niggers makes the gameplay worse, then I'm afraid that good gameplay and target demographics actually become linked.

>>54445602
>"Diversity" doesn't exclude majorities, only minorities can be excluded by failing to pander to them
What exactly are you trying to say here? That non-whites are shallow tools who will buy shit on command as long as it has a similar face on it but superior whites will see value in things beyond skin color? Saying Kaya isn't for black people is straight up factually incorrect. She was created specifically with the direct intention and objective of appealing to blacks and women, two groups WotC has been led to believe do not play MtG because there are not enough people that look like them in the cards.

That's not to say that you can't or shouldn't put minority characters in the game. Hell, when was Teferi first alluded to in the story? That's a popular black character that's been around for probably twenty years. The difference between Teferi and Kaya is that Teferi is a brilliant time wizard whose skin color doesn't matter while Kaya is a racist stereotype whose skin color is the ONLY thing that matters.

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>>54445032
I agree, I want a cephalid planeswalker. Those have been my all time favorite MTG race.

>>54446021
You actually believe that standard has been shit because there's a new black planeswalker?

>>54446079
I think what he's saying is that all the idiots pushing this diversity shit also happen to be terrible at their jobs. I wouldn't give a fuck if these faggots were the most vile of progressive scum if they could make a decent game and write some compelling lore.

>>54444971
Source on that faggot? Mismanagement and time constrainst it not the same as a SJW conspiracy

>>54446079
When concerns slide from function to form, conditions tend to worsen.

>>54445628
But the argument for inclusion based on relatability is literally that, but for minorities.

>>54446235

There's like 5 threads a day about it on /v/ google your sauce yourself.

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>>54446002
dude, the logic is as follows:
1. white males will buy (comics, videogames, Magic, star wars tickets) regardless of what you do. You can shit on them, give them no representation, skip all the marketing -- they will buy it. That's what they will do in foreseeable future. (whether this statement is true is irrelevant, that's what market believes).

2. The next big demo is white women. That demo has a lot of money and very little in way of modern marketable hobbies. So you market to them with social justice, inclusivity, and other stuff they might enjoy -- like female-targeted fanservice. You create 'safe spaces' and shoot everyone crossing the line -- because marketing says that women part with money more eagerly when there is a safe space. Etc Etc.

That one two combo means that things you, a white male shitlord might like are out and things that Stacy might like are in (bigtime). Because if they take cleavages out and put half-naked hunky black males in you will still buy the product. If they do the reverse, Stacy will go away.

>>54446655
Straight to the point, take my upboat.

>>54446655

>Didn't read the fucking thread
Seriously, why are you wrapping back around to a discussed subject?

>>54445925
My Ant Queen one is next isn't it? Fuck this shit.

>>54446655
>>54446655

This logic is wrong on both points, assuming that men would continue buying no matter what was false (examples in the thread) and assuming that women don't have hobbies or other things to spend money on is hilariously misogynistic. Just because your current target demo doesn't hit it doesn't mean that it CAN hit it.

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>>54436075
This

Omg the art is so horrid
when was the last time they had Rebbeca tier art?

>>54443142
Planes walkers where a mistake conceptually and in execution, and should not exist

it is literally an undercosted, core staple effectively free spell(s) on a stick, with a coundown clock to an "i win" condition

I pay 4 once to play Countespell/Lightning/Giant Growth equivalent every turn until i pop an emblem that makes recovery impossible, in a meta that hates answers

fuck planes walkers

>>54447264
He knows that. He is explaining the logic behind the retarded marketing team.

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>>54445004
Is shady figure behind a corner tribal still a thing

>>54445542
>Bolas

>big
He's fuckhuge.
>bad
And the antagonist.
>evil
And would burn babies if it gave him more powerful.
>guy
Male pronouns.

>>54447264
>women don't have hobbies or other things to spend money on is hilariously misogynistic

This is marketing, the last thing to be expected from them is being respectful to anyone. You don't see people as people if you are in this business, you treat them as cattle that needs to be steered in the right direction. The same goes for everyone.

Oh and women don't have hobbies.

>>54447265
planeswalkers really aren't that bad

the vast majority of them never see real play, especially past standard. and every color has answers to them.

like i don't think lilana of the viel or dack are any worse than drs or mentor

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Fuck. I always wanted to try out Magic, but I swear there's always some kind of shitshow going on whenever I try to look into it.
I've seen more than one franchise that's essentially propped up by newcomers that don't know any better while other people that may have once enjoyed it are just around because they've invested so much in it that they can't bring themselves to leave.
Is that more or less what's going on here? Is all this just a waste of time, or are there still some aspects of it worth it?
If the game really is getting progressively worse with time and the company running it is legitimately this bad, though, then fuck it.

>>54447415
>Is that more or less what's going on here? Is all this just a waste of time, or are there still some aspects of it worth it?
There have been some recent problems but this thread is blowing the vast majority of them out of proportion.

The real reason to never play Magic isn't the company behind it being inept, it's the community that plays it being awful.

>>54447415
Standard has been cancer for years. Modern is borderline playable but expensive. Can't speak for Legacy because I don't play it.

>>54437061
>>>/reddit/ or whatever leftist feminazi shithole you came from

>>54447475
Legacy used to be playable for me. Then they banned my deck.

>>54441218
>that hair color

in the real world that's considered a warning coloration. they're mentally ill attention whores

>>54437153
Liberals are fucking cancer. Go ruin some other game, you cancerous fucktard.

>>54445032
This

1 more guy and it's even, though they seem more likely to kill male characters off.

Give me male and female planeswalkers that aren't just humans with colored skin or pointy ears. Dovin, Karn, Bolas, and Ajani are good starts, but the closest thing we have in the female realm is... Tamiyo, the blue long-eared human.

>>54442081
vampire the eternal struggle

>>54447415
It's one dumb decision after another, but the game still is relatively similar. It's not like WoW for example where it's pretty much completely different game from what it used to be. You still play magic and it feels like you are. Most of the things mentioned are annoyances, but WotC made so many in a relatively short time, and people are pissed.

You can play limited, EDH or casual and most of this shit doesn't affect you.

>>54445019
I think he meant to say
>there's to many small titted lady planeswalkers
Honestly F-Cup should be the minimum.

>>54447564
It's like watching Star Trek TNG towards the end at this point. Humans are humans. Non-humans are humans with slightly altered features. It's not very magical in a game called Magic.

>>54447493
>>54447542
>>54447546
Just breathe anon, we don't want you to get a heart attack or something.

>>54447409
yeah because they fucked up the powerlevel with the first few, so they have to make them constantly shit for the current "nothing but new timmies" meta.

seriously, remember they ADDED PLANSEWALKER AS A CARD TYPE.
it didn't exist before, and adds no new design space, its literally undercosted spells on a stick for free.

>>54436926

I don't want to play with lewd playmate, but I also don't want to play in a community that purges lewd playmate. It's a sign of grim things to come.

>>54444558
>or maybe there's something to the belief of the other side
You're wrong about everything, roastie cunt. You and your supremacy movement can both go to hell.

>>54447409
You are purposefully ignoring MaRo's explicit statement that they design trash cards to "teach newbs"

>>54444558
>(and the relatively minor things you find)
>should clue you in to the fact that you have a skewed worldview
The irony of this. Contrary to what you hard-left bubble is telling you, you know shit about the world.

>>54444558
>maybe there's something to the belief of the other side

As an civilization built on Empiricism, You show proof before you fuck up a thing that already works, not before

>>54445101
>>54445133
>>54446235
Can you faggoty nu-males go back r/games already?

>>54447670
Triggered you, eh?

>>54446655
>So you market to them with social justice, inclusivity, and other stuff they might enjoy
Most white women voted for Trump. This doesn't seem like a lucrative strategy.

>>54444558
>What in nerd culture have feminists taken away from you...

Gamers are dead
Metal Heads are dead
SJW Marvel comics slumping sales
SJW MTG pandering slumping sales

every industry they infect fails, and they only try to infect popular industries that compete for attention with them

give me one example of how the SJW ideal is better in any way, pick any metric

>>54447388
>Oh and women don't have hobbies

>What are
>Movies
>Television
>Reading
>Knitting and other cloth-crafts
>Painting
>Board games
>Shopping
>Sports
>Running

Captcha: Select all shoes

>>54447564

Vraska is an excellent character design. So is Tibalt. Magic actually briefly popped out some great character designs but has since given up on it.

>>54447916
>>Movies : passive consumption
>>Television : passive consumption
>>Reading : passive consumption
>>Knitting and other cloth-crafts : wow that's sexist
>>Painting : name one
>>Board games : are you kidding, 90% male and most females intrested are uggo's without choice
>>Shopping : using other's money, also not a hobby
>>Sports : passive viewing, or if participating, women's sports are more boring than men's because they can't into competition
>>Running : exercise which everyone should do, and most do not invest in it like a hobby

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It just seems like turn after turn Wizards is fucking up or changing things.
Them saying they design cards to push based on the story that no one really cares about. Nobody wanted to go back to Innistrad to be met with Detective Jace, or to land in the new planes of Kaladesh and Amonkhet and see that it's just another generic oppressive controller that the Gatewatch will have to break down. - reminder that when Mythics were introduced they were meant to be big flashy things and STORY related, meaning them wanting to pushing story cards is a direct buff to mythic rares. -

To me the printing of Aetherworks Marvel made it feel like they were trying to make the game more "hearthstone-esque", a more randomized game that will change each time but really results in the opponent crossing his fingers and whiffing, because a player cannot play around every threat a marvel player could drop. Energy being a 100 percent non-interactable mechanic is just icing on the cake.

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>>54448004
>Knitting and other cloth-crafts : wow that's sexist

>>54448078
My mother was a home economics teacher before they axed the position

My father did more fabrics repair and crafting than she ever did AS A HOBBY

Men do fabrics repair AS A HOBBY more than females do, and the point was that those female third worlders working for pennies, are not doing it as a hobby

>>54447916
Who the fuck knits.

>>54448127
kys

Oh no the radical notion that maybe women can be into nerdy shit how terrible, keep them away from my cheetos and fedoras please im an alpha male and dont have time for their bullshit.

>>54448004
>being so jaded you unironically think women can't enjoy things

>>54448135
hipsters, its become one of those trendy hip things to do while waiting for your double vegan
caffeine free eco tea

>>54448145
Has grovelling before them and castrating yourself gotten you laid a lot?

>>54448137
Nice argument after you where rekt
Besides i'm already dead

>>54448154
Didn't say they can't, just those listed aren't remotely classifiable as a hobby, for several reasons including: males dominate those hobbies

>>54448004
Laughinggirls.jpeg

>>54448041
I think conceptually Energy is a fantastic mechanic. Yes, it's non-interaction but it puts a new resource into the game that is open information but can be converted to other resources (card, mana, damage, etc.). I think Energy is the smartest thing they've done in a while by implementing a battery mechanic and what hurts the most is that it's a mechanic that's probably not going to come back; not for at least 5 years, which means exploring the mechanic has already stopped dead.

Except Marvel exists. Like you I put it more on the card than the mechanic.

Card quality issues are becoming more frequent, although this is largely ok due to anyone with half a brain using sleeves for their cards (if the quality continues to decline then that will really start being a problem).

What I really want is for Wizards to clue in to having "draft leagues" or "draft subscriptions" on MGTO or Digital Next (whatever the hell that is) - you pay a monthy sub fee and you can draft all you want - you just don't keep any of the cards. I would play the shit out of that and you could also use it draft old formats / special formats etc because it isn't injecting new cards anywhere.

I'd pay $15.00 monthly for that, easily.

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>>54448154
you and i both know there are more females who invade "hobbies" for attention than actual interest in the hobby, that's literally what feminism does

>>54448189
You seriously think you "rekt" me by pointing out how sexist you think it so to suggest that women may enjoy knitting? Just how deranged are you?

>>54448185
why would i grovel ? seriously just accept that some women enjoy nerdy shit the same way some guys are into football or makeup or whatever, girls in your hobby isnt a bad thing, their not trying to take anything away from you.

>>54448201
it added nothing
charge counters already existd from mirroden and had far more interaction

energy counters was a cheap imitation, and boring as shit

>>54448189
so because males dominate those hobbies they cant be classed as hobbies ?
Are you retarded ?

>>54448229
you have yet to any stats, let alone even provide an example

the only females that like knitting are old from the greatest generation, boomers and younger don't like it because "muh patriarchy"

>>54440174
As much as I love Commander, I think Wizards should go back to not designing sets with it in mind, EDH already gets the best supplemental product every year with the preconstructed decks that bring around 50 new cards altogether, so they don't need designated design space in sets. A lot of the cards they intend for EDH end up being jank that not even EDH wants. They're bad at it and should leave it alone. EDH likes cool cards too, so just make cool cards for other formats and we'll pick up what works in EDH from those.

>>54447778
>>54447730
>>54447841
>>54448137
>>54448185
You are a just a very sad parody of /pol/. That's why noone can take us seriously. Go to /v/ and start shitting a thread over there, you can find people your age there.

>>54447841
Oh definitively. Bless your soul, Anon

>>54448223
do you seriously believe that ?

maybe im living in a bubble but i have literally never encountered this ever, the small number for female nerds iv met have all been pretty average people.

>>54438138

(((Fan)))

>>54448283
actually thats bullshit, knitting is retro and cool now. virtually all hipster/nerd girls knit now.

I don't know why its a stupid and pointless hobby, but for some reason its cool now

>>54448261
when dealing with groups you use averages

women don't do that hobby on the average

i suspect:
if you polled all women they would have no hobbies on the average
if you polled all men games would be the dominant activity on the average

>>54448248
I liked charge counters too. I would've been happy to revisit it too.

I just want more of that. It doesn't matter if it's Energy or charge counters. The worst thing is that we're going to get neither. Just like we didn't get more rebels, they wasted space on shit like Aetherborn and Dwarves and won't come back to them, we're just never going to explore a mechanic thoroughly. Even the return of Madness and Cycling and kinda-Flashback didn't yield anything but the same effects we're used to.

>>54448236
>girls in your hobby isnt a bad thing
Yes, it is, you nu-male. Men and women are not the same. Any game that attempts to cater to women will do so by casualizing it to the point that only idiots can enjoy it. Stacy and your obese, blue-haired hipster gf doesn't really want a hobby; they want something to gather around that requires minimal attention, they want an excuse to socialize.

>>54448311
read
>>54448354
>knitting is retro and cool now. virtually all hipster/nerd girls knit now.
this is literally my point

they only get into it because its "retro & cool" ie popular, not because of their own interest

>>54448404
this

>>54448236
They're already harming the game, you fucking retard. I don't enjoy the same things that Stacy does. I want challenging gameplay, and Stacy doesn't. I want pictures of cute girls, and Stacy wants bare-chested niggers.

>>54448004
>women's sports are more boring than men's because they can't into competition
Anon pls. Women's sports are great. The only one I don't like is basketball, but I don't like watching dudes play that, either

>>54448356
do you realize how autistic you are ? Or just how stupid that sounded ? Or even just how wrong you are ?

so women have no hobbies according to your definition of hobbies, based upon the completely fictional numbers you just made up in order to create a completely fictional set of averages that you then use to define things you just claimed weren't hobbies are hobbies when men do them.

You know some people would probably just say you don't like girls.

>>54448404
*tips fedora

>>54448283
Never heard of Etsy, eh?
How new are you to the internet, again?

>>54448311
>im living in a bubble
yes
>never encountered this ever
>the small number for female
>the small number
this is the point
if you had to guess, would you say that there are more men or women in that hobby?
would you say that they got into this hobby for their own interest or on a flimsy pretext by someone with more genuine interest?
If women where genuinely interested would they have a "small number"?

>>54448298
Maybe you should go back to the place you came from if you can't handle some differing opinions and harsh language. Frankly, I think your kind is pathetic.

>>54448453
how do you know stacy doesn't want challenging game play ? have you ever met a women before or you basing this entirety upon the stick men comics you read on /v/ ?

>>54448404
where do you get this notion ? like what information source are you using ? because i know its not actual interactions with women.

>>54448460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGAmuxLvh1A
they can't into competition,
they can't into spacial awareness,
they need constant positive reinforcement for failure

>>54448298
>implying you're not a far-leftist
Your larping is pathetic.

>>54448504
>hobby
>job

don't fool yourself, hobbies stop being hobbies for profit

>>54448503
*tips fedora

>>54448535
>>54448567
>being this clueless about truly basic stuff
I want the effeminate, spineless faggots from Reddit to leave.

>>54448592
>say I don't like basketball
>get a basketball clip as reference
Hell it isn't even a good representative clip. It's even from an under-17 game. As mentioned in the comments, the NBA has a rule for exactly what happens in the video because it happens so often.

>Mexico
>literally Slovakia
Come on, son.

>>54448526
you're 100% correct about most of these things being male dominated hobbies, but the female gamers i know are all passionate and enthusiastic players regardless of how they got into the scene, which probably has fewer women drawn to it because its still a primarily male dominated sector that is generally viewed with contempt by outsiders and sheltering a very toxic culture possibly due to the exclusion / bullying many nerds suffer.

To be honest with you i understand why a lot of girls dont go to games shops or hobby centers, i stated to avoid them as i grew older just due to the horrible social scenes i found in most of them. I'd rather collect these things as a solo pursuit that deal with another mlp t-shirt wearing B.O smelling autist try to show me his hentai collection.

>>54447916
That fag that baited you all wasn't actually me. My argument would be: do you see girls really getting into any of it? It depends on your definition of a hobby and of course there are exceptions, but how many times did you see your average Stacy being passionate about something?

Sure, they can watch movies or tv, but they just watch it. Any discussion ends on, I liked it/it was dumb. Anything involving playing a game or competition has barely any women in it, and if they are there, it's mostly for attention or lack of other options (pretty much being ugly). Sports? They mostly do it to stay fit, not because they enjoy the game. Collecting? just no. The only case I'd argue is art, sure women like art. Other than that? It's really a fringe of the population.

>>54448298
>/pol/ here
>feminism is about equality and only nutjobs dislike it
How stupid are you? In reality, by the numbers given how unpopular your movement is, feminists are extremists.

>>54448696
fair play but im not going to, so im not sure what else to say to the bitter fedora wearing neckbbeard.

>>54448729
you are an idiot, it was not to claim you have interest in basket ball
the video shows BOTH TEAMS all all needing positive reinforcement, AND FORGETTING WHICH IS THEIR SIDE

the point was they can't even do the thing they claim interest in

it would be like some normie saying they use 4chan all the time, and don't know what captcha is

>>54448600
>implying you are actually from /pol/, not a "le proud kekistani xD"

dude

>>54448826
>Mexico
>literally Slovakia

>>54448782
well thats pretty much just confirmation bias isnt it.

Feminism isnt unpopular except amongst pol/ reddit general neckbeards and autists, pretty much the mirror image of tumblr, a small sad group of pathetic individuals circle jerking over how right they are and how everybody else is stupid.

>>54448782
I just don't support complete spergouts in unrelated threads. That guy was just annoying. Also, nice strawman.

>>54448788
There is satisfaction in knowing that I have a wonderful, loyal, beautiful gf and that you'll never get anything more than some ugly, fat, used goods that'll eventually cheat on you. Not even your beta bucks will be enough in the end. She'll cheat on you with one of my kind. Remember me.

>>54448855
>thinks women are any smarter in first world countries

>>54448862
>Feminism isnt unpopular
>Feminism is popular in the mainstream

when false flagging, try not be be obvious
its like they can't even pretend to be their opponent, without projecting

>>54448875
oh man thats funny, thanks for the perk me up dude made the thread for me. say hey to your Canadian girl friend for me tough guy.

>>54448919
dude what ?

>>54448862
>confirmation bias
That's funny. Your circlejerk chamber on Reddit doesn't really reflect real life. In America, only about 15% of females call themselves feminists, and the only males that use the moniker are some of the saddest, most pathetic individuals to walk on the planet. Your mating strategy is joke.

>>54447905
Metal Heads are dead?

>>54448863
>spergouts
Grow a pair, redditor.

>>54448947
no one like feminists or feminism, just thier brainwashed goons

the media is dying and is infected with feminism but the viewers don't like it, that's literally marvel, MTG, and video games industries in a nutshell

>>54442081
Netrunner, Star Wars-Destiny

>>54448924
Your unease is palpable. You can sense the obvious truth, isn't that so?

>>54448964
dude seriously whats your problem ?

> America
well that one explains itself

> Opinions, opinions everywhere

> Mating strategy
so believing in egalitarianism is a mating stagey ? rather than oh i don't know the weird believe that maybe everybody is equal. Or does that fly in the face of your forced edgy "Look at me i say nigger online" coolness ?

>Why is <something> bad now?
>REEEEEEEEEEE SJWs
>Maybe it's because the game is bad and company makes dumb decisions?
>REEEEEEEEEE, give me my anime tits.
>Any other arguments?
>kys feminist redditor

everytime

>>54435907
maybe its an old game and the company has its head so far up its own ass its time to die

>like Blizzard
>like Valve
>like Warhammer
>like Marvel

everything we will love must weither and die and then get replaced

>>54449029
Is it palpable oh dread lord destroyer of poon ?