What would a cyberpunk London setting look like, /tg/? What would

inb4 /pol/ invades with comments about muslims, immigration and nanny statism

>>54424925
it's converted Big Ben into a mecha
that's pretty much it

>>54424925
the accent would make it unique

>>54424925
It would be about government control rather than corporate control, though the government would mostly care about making money.

Curfews, internet restrictions, bans on various normal things. Schools are like factories mixed with prisons. Lots of low class block housing covered in graffiti. Not a lot of neon.

England is the birthplace of dystopian fiction, play that up.

Huge fucking underground. You'll get fucking lost down there. Also between 2-3 at night, the streets will be flooded with ridiculously hammered slags and lads trying to get home.

>>54424925
There would be some fucking cool Warriors-esque gangs based on local and historical themes

>>54425196
>based on local and historical themes

Most would probably just be based on football themes.

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>>54424940
I mean, it's a fair point. The fusion of western and asian culture is a big theme in cyberpunk and it would be unrealistic to ignore changing demographics. If OP is looking for something unique about futuristic London, a British-Indian (not just Muslim) hybrid culture would definitely be a aspect of that and potentially pretty interesting.

>>54424925
Lots of cyber gypos.

It'd be a dystopian hellscape. Except with added cyberpunk because fiction.

>>54425253
I mean, Chicken Tikka Masala is England's national dish. Though that probably speaks more to the quality of England's indigenous cuisine than anything else.

>>54425290
I don't think I have been as inadvertently insulted as the day I was treated to an english hotdog.

God damn that was bad. I'm also getting mad just thinking about it.

Fuck

>>54424940
>Don't make any comments about the staples of cyberpunk
Think reddit might be a bit more your speed bud

>>54425335
What is an English hotdog? Does it taste different or is it like just a hotdog but with curry powder on it?

>>54425154
V for Vendetta (More then movie then the GN) mixed with... what the fuck was that weeb comic called, Fisheye Placebo?

>>54425394
The only part of that which is a cyberpunk staple is the nanny state.

>>54425253
Anon just doesn't want the thread to fill up with /pol/tards spamming memes unrelated to the topic of "what would a cyberpunk London look like".

>>54425402
It's like a regular hotdog, just somehow incredibly stale and boring, to the point where it becomes decidedly distateful and nasty.

>>54424925
Posthuman football hooligan gang violence.

Man U fans get wetware and biomods because they don't want to ruin their carefully styled beards. Arsenal fans get cybernetics because it's better for incorporating shiny chav bling. Millwall fans get whatever they can.

I rather do fancy the idea of Londons gritty cyberpunk future being a mixture of big brother nanny state, gritty Indian flair instead of gritty Japanese, clean streets and dirty alleys, the underground, the thames full of toxic run off, Indian trch conglomerates and bobbies with shock batons and dangerous mustaches

The queen of course is in charge though no ones seen her in ages, the Prime Minister enforces her will through the morality council, Parliament raves about hooligans and bad elements ruining the youth. Children go to dull, underfunded over disciplined schools or work in electronics factories darting a.ong the assembly lines. Strange men wrapped in coats prowl the rooftops, sweeping coal and acid rain residue off the shingles

Sometimes the wind will hit just right and you can see the sun through the perpetual haze, ever so briefly, and you wonder what it was like when the city wasn't closed in eternal twilight and acid rain drizzle.

>>54425402
These days, an English hotdog is just a bratwurst sandwich.

>>54425402
Hotdogs with curry powder on them are delicious though. They're also a German thing.

>>54425549
>Sometimes the wind will hit just right and you can see the sun through the perpetual haze, ever so briefly, and you wonder what it was like when the city wasn't closed in eternal twilight and acid rain drizzle.
Nigga that's London today.

>>54425178
>Also between 2-3 at night, the streets will be flooded with ridiculously hammered slags and lads trying to get home.

It'll have nothing on cyberpunk Newcastle in that regard.

>>54425593
The timing of this statement is pretty hilarious. For the last week or so London has been sunny and hot.

>>54425549
Round the edges of town are where the Pikeys live, prowling the ruins and slums of long forgotten developments. Crude, swollen, inbred and mutated not a single one looks like Brad Pitt. If you're lucky they swarm you trying to sell packs of gum and lottery tickets. If you aren't, they shank you and eat your corpse, on account of you oppressing them and their way of life with your two eyes and cocky swaggar. Your death earns a blurb in the paper where the chief Bobby apologizes to the Pikeys and warns folks mischief will not be tolerated.

>>54424925
The Queen(/King by then?) is leading the rebellion against the corps.

Is it true that thieves in London carry around contactless machines and brush up against people on the tube to steal their money? Are we living in the cyberpunk future already, or is this just provincial paranoia?

We're forgetting to best Cyberpunk Dystopian location in England. Swindon.

>>54425664
There's a paki fellow down the road with a kebab shop and one eye. He doesn't speak a lick of the Queen's English - hell, you've never heard him speak at all. But he seems to understand, grunting and nodding, somehow able to interpret the most drunken slobbering order. You're pretty sure there's no dog in the kebab, that's for fancier places up the hill. Still, smothered in garlic sauce, it makes for a good way to soak up the alcohol you've poisoned your body with so you can pop off to mum's and Sunday service tomorrow.

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>>54425722
>google swindon
>see this

And people call Germans autistic.

Also is it just me or is captcha being an unusual cunt today?

>>54425705
Sounds like provincial paranoia.

>>54425705
I thought it was just spray bottles full of acid these days.

>>54425749
>Also is it just me or is captcha being an unusual cunt today?
Change your 4chan settings to Legacy Captcha. The image captcha has a glitch that traps you in an infinite loop of street signs.

>>54425816
>The image captcha has a glitch that traps you in an infinite loop of street signs.

The cyberpunk equivalent of hell.

>>54425816
>The image captcha has a glitch that traps you in an infinite loop of street signs.
Just like swindon!

>>54425722
>>54425749
>The story "The Lift that Took People to Places They Didn't Want to Go" ends with the section "...But actually... the evil elevator hadn't changed at all. In fact it went on secretly taking people to places they didn't want to go. For every time the lift took the inhabitants of Swindon back down to the ground floor, they stepped out of the department store and onto the streets of Swindon, and so found themselves somewhere they didn't want to be."

>>54425810
Not to go too Pink Mohawk but:
>Chav hooligans on mopeds throw industrial pollutants at each other
>Toffs ride mutant horses through the streets, hunting the lower classes with cybernetic hounds and shotguns
>Community Support Officers are encouraged to bring their own weapons

>>54424925
>City of London is typical corporation-ruling, highrise, neonlight, cyberpunk city
>Everywhere else is shitty urban sprawl ruled by the government

>>54425430
No, it's not, because cyberpunk governments don't give a shit about their population. They don't need to be totalitarian, the economic situation does that for them. One of the major themes of cyberpunk is the disconnect between state and citizen.

>ctrl+f
>no split Second
Disappointing.

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>>54425606
Christ, can you imagine the nanotech-tans?

>>54425290
It's a bit of a commentary, but there's other factors - like a lot of ethnic foods, they're altered for local tastes. Also it was invented in an indian restaurant in the UK (exactly where depends on who you ask), and its status as a national dish isn't very disputed on account of it being fucking delicious - like burgers, hotdogs and (especially) pizza in america, sure, it's based on foreign food but has very much become its own thing

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Really play up the contrast of old and new

>>54425705
Sounds like paranoia, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to it.

I recall one anon in a cyberpunk thread mentioning that he had a mate in the early days of bluetooth (when it was even less secure) who'd travel the tube near the City and fish for data with a little palmtop computer

>>54426785
Related a little to this, in one of the Ian McDonald Indian-set cyberpunk books there was mention of Indian Diaspora expats in the UK owning a factory that was producing the fad food of the moment - tikka-pasta (the PoV character thinks it's an abomination) - fusion shit like that, alternate takes on things are quite likely

>>54425910
>The Truthful Phone
>The Nice Bomb
>The Lift That Took People to Places They Didn't Want to Go
>Motorbike Thieves
>The Kidnap Car
>The Vacuum Cleaner That Was Too Powerful
>The Train to Anywhere
>The Rocket to Hell
>The Dog Maker and Other Wonders
>The Day Things Started to Go Wrong
>The Castle of Imagination
>The End of Life
>The Love Machine
Yep, most of these sound like the UK

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>>54427445
Well it is by Terry Jones, of Monty Python fame

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>>54424925
Just exaggerate current trends. Unprecedented surveillance powers, internet regulation, mass data collection, the Snooper’s Charter. Minority Report style pre-emptive justice. Extremism and hate speech laws. Wrongthink, Newspeak etc.

Class divisions, gentrification pushing the poor out of the centre of the capital. Properties valued at hundreds of thousands and millions, only a couple streets away from squalid terraces built in the 1870’s ie Canary Wharf.

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>>54424925
Look at Children of Men.

Islamic terrorism a daily occurence; the London intifada growing stronger every day.
Police brutality and pantopticon surveillance response to above.
Vigilante gangs of True Brits (including Hindus & Sikhs) vs Islamics.
The Greenbelt a restricted zone for the rich.

>>54425253
>British-Indian hybrid cyberpunk

I'd be really fucking down for this.

>>54427720
>Vigilante gangs of True Brits (including Hindus & Sikhs) vs Islamics.

I thought this was going to be a /pol/ post and probably still do, but this has me in stitches over how right it'd be.

Reminds me of that black dude applying to be a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

>>54425253
>instead of the Coca-Cola neon sign
>Chicken Cottage

>>54427828
Real life is stranger than the neat little narratives we try to pigeon-hole everything into.

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>>54427948
Or Greggs.
Obviously a little less in London than up north, but still present.

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Reminder that Shadowrun had a London sourcebook.

It covered the rest of the UK in some detail, too.

>>54427828
KKK bossman said they'd allow blacks so they could focus on the real enemy, the NWO.

>>54428346
Any chance of a PDF?

Not that it helps much outside of shadowrun, what with elves and dragons being a big think in their UK iirc

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>>54428346
Reminder that Cyberpunk 2020 had a UK sourcebook that was much better.

>>54428427
Sure:
https://ttop.rem.uz/Shadowrun/Sourcebooks/7203%20-%20London%20Sourcebook.pdf

>>54428455
Didn't know about that one, ta.

While the other great cities of the UK sank further and further into post-industrial decay foreign money poured into London. Of course none of this went to the people who lived there, most of it was just safe investment by Russian oligarchs and gulf state sheikhs. In the end all that happened was rents went up, more luxury apartments were built and more families wee thrown out on to the street. Of course you can only shit on the plebs for so long. Even the Sun reading neanderthals started talking about revolution at one point. Fortunately for the government after a mass "riot" (everyone I've talked to said it started with the police firing at unarmed protesters though) an emergency act could be passed, the Met were given more powers and a few insubordinate opposition MPs and activists could be put in house arrest. At the time there wasn't any mention of this in the papers though and after a year people just got used to the cameras, the body-searches and the armed police.

Now the armies back in Belfast, you're put to work in a warehouse for your dole and all the parks have been privatised. It isn't too different from before though. You're just have a little less to spare, are little more afraid to go out at night and have to use you're ID card to look at porn on the web.

>>54428455
>>54428488
And here's the Cyberpunk 2020 pdf:
http://www19.zippyshare.com/v/P6q4jcoV/file.html

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>>54424925
What if the British class system was an actual caste system like in India?

>>54425251
Those aren't organized gangs those are literally just directionless mobs of football fans that appear prior, during, and after a game. Usually a massive riot after every game, seemingly making no difference between celebrating a victory and lamenting a loss. Actual gangs tend not to be present when the football rioters swarm, or use the distractions to commit crimes quietly while the poorly prepared, overly restricted riot police are occupied.

Cybernetic trucks that can spray acid and shoot hundreds of knives

>>54424925
Hellgate london

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>>54429583
i am seconding this, absolute legend of a game

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>>54429583
Having not played Hellgate, what's cyberpunk about it?
Sounds a lot more magical than I'd expect from anything that wasn't shadowrun

>>54425533
LMAO good..
but more like Milwall fans get Jewdetectors/ Muzzi-dar but they really just got sold some mood rings.

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>>54424925
Ah yes, the shard, when you need a megacorp lair but can't be arsed to go somewhere with a lot of skyscrapers

>>54425253
Coming from leicester and having lived in london for the last 3 year i can say this, London is not the most diverse part of Britain. If you want to see the proper fusion of British and Asian culture you really want to head out to the midlands.

Saying that, That could tie in to making a good cyberpunk UK setting.
London is essentially a city state , it has it's own economy, infrastructure, customs and cultural zones. It differs from every other part of the UK and you could really play with that.

London also has huge economic divide from street to street and it's infrastructure varies from 300 years old to the cutting edge, all built on top of each other.

The Street Samurai have to use plastic monosporks. It's really dampened their style lately.

>>54433439
They just use creative interpretations of the rules and (ab)use the letter of the law - as they can't just shoot you or use large blades, they have to get creative and end up concealing things a lot more

>>54429048
It sort of is, Even if you move up you will never be seen as equal by those born into the upper classes, even if you have more than they will ever have and are a beter human being in every way.

Class inequality is a good way to go.
I used to leave work in a literal railway arch at 11 at night with trains giving my hearing problems all day, walk up to the station and see the shard and other towers shooting lights into the sky ,Being covered by clouds and shining through it like the peaks of mount fucking Olympus.
Also chavs, hundreds of chavs.

>>54424925
Read any Judge Dredd comic.

>>54433412
>huge economic divide from street to street and it's infrastructure varies from 300 years old to the cutting edge, all built on top of each other.
You see that a lot in big cities - I've definitely seen it in Manchester (hoboville to some of the fanciest bars in the city by turning the corner), and to some extent Nottingham, Glasgow and Birmingham as well, just not quite as dramatically

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>>54425841
If hell was as easy as just turning on the legacy captcha in options, and be forever free of suffering.

>>54433741
oh of course, And you get it all through the uk, But london is sort of it's own eco system with a million little systems within it. I worked across from parliament and there was a hobo camp under the bridge, It would grow for a bit, get ploughed over, then come back.

You get areas like Chelsea and kensington where millionaires are buying flats to act as investment property and people in council housing were allowed to burn to death.

Brick lane is simultaneously a deprived area populated by ethnic and immigrant families AND a fashionable area frequented by celebrities, on ONE FREAKING STREET.

Maybe OP should have his players leave the city and suddenly find themselves detatched from the automation of the capital, having to wait around for 3 hours for a train or bus that costs them 4 times as much and takes 4 times as long to travel half the distance through the deprived agricultural wasteland and ex industrial ruin that surrounds the shining glass citadel of the city centre?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_God

The bbc has got you covered anon.

>>54433868
Yeah, the bigger the city (and London's something like 5 or 6 times larger than literally anywhere else) the more extreme this sort of thing gets - I've seen it on adjacent streets, certainly, but the same street (assuming it's not one of these ones that oddly goes for like a mile for no good reason) is a new one.

You make a good point about highly variable transport as well - also applies for things like intercity trains costing more than international flights, and so on.

>>54434120
Trains in this country are insane. I can spend the day out in london and go across the city several times and barely spend £10. Getting back to leicester for a holiday or visit is £70 minimum.

I was debating commuting to london for my MA and a years rail pass from LE to London is over £9000.

there are also massive parts of britain that are just ex industrial wastelands. Visit portland (But don't, it's grim.) or Wigan , Or the non touristy bits of any city, and you'll see vast areas of disused industrial property and wasteland.

London also has complete cultural hegemony over the UK, Which while it might not seem a huge deal , really is for the way the rest of the british populations absorbs and engages with culture. Almost all the arts funding goes into london and trying to find any consistent culture outside of london or the larger cities if next to impossible. You could easily have a group of PC's trying to redistribute culture across the country as a form of counter propaganda protest.

>>54434236
Yes it's ridiculous (unless you're buying something small, in which case it's ridiculous the other way. The classic strangled cry of "how much!")

Yeah, most cities have some dead zones, though there's usually a fair bit of activity in industrial estates... just not the ones that were previously used.
After all, despite the perception (British perceptions tend to be a bit odd, for whatever reason... probably because we didn't actually collapse after being a superpower) quite a lot of things are actually made here - iirc Leicester is fairly big in textiles still, and Derby, my home city, still builds cars, construction vehicles, trains and jet engines

>>54434412
Big in textiles yes, But they all come from sweat shops built into the old mills.
We used to go to a music studio set up in an empty corner of the same building, the whole place was falling apart but every other room was packed with people making cheap clothing and textile products ,knelt on the floor working from old sewing machines.

I guess that would be OP's central theme, The gaping void in quality and lifestyle across the country ,all packed into the area of london.

Also fuck the trains.

>>54424925
No matter how bad it gets at least it isn't Milton Keynes

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>>54425430
I just finished Snow Crash. There are countless examples just in that book that prove you wrong. Ever read a cyberpunk book

Ironically enough, a cyberpunk future, or any technologically advanced future, will never happen because of pakis.

>>54424925

Anybody can make London, England cyberpunk. That's just Dickens in the future. I want to see someone make a compelling cyberpunk London, Ontario.

>>54428290
>>54427948
NANDOS

>>54436439
I don't disagree with your overall point but you could have picked a better example

Go back and look at the list of conditions you have to satisfy in order to be allowed into the US government enclave

>>54424925

A nuclear wasteland after the Soviets and the America used tactical and theatre nukes with abandon without reaching the strategic ones.

So if cyberpunk doesn't necessarily imply nanny states and universal income, and with a 80% unemployment rate, how do the corps make money? Who do they sell shit to? Their own employees?!
I always assumed universal income was a given, sinking the governments further and further into debt, enslaving them more and more to the banks and corps, until they'd slide into irrelevance and become little more than money printing machines.

>>54425290
Mushy Peas are proof that god hates England.

>>54425705
That happens in Australia, and we're about 60 years behind the rest of the world in all fields except for bogan studies and fermenting racial cold wars. London thieves probably have them built into their pants as a matter of course.

>>54440366
Surely by their very nature Aussies are good at crime?

>>54440681
Most organised crime is pretty hilariously inept, but I think that's endemic all over the world. We have some amazing rates of drug-driving, assaults, etc. And a sky high missing persons rate, most of whom can be found in shallow graves in the bush.

Mostly we just try and bash each other now. The police are pretty weird when it comes to enforcement and actually laying charges.

>>54425154
Probably a combination of the two, where the old aristocrats own both the corps and the government, to the point where it's hard to tell where one ends and one begins.

>>54440316
You are a fucking liar, and have shit-tier taste.

>>54440029
Universal income or social work. Emerging nations - unemployed Americans and Europeans become economic refugees in China, India and Africa.

>>54426785
What about cyberpunk Sunderland? Modern Sunderland is already just a giant housing estate, where everyone's on the dole, slowly drinking themselves to death while the council does nothing (since they know they'll be voted in next year anyway). It's a city full of angry old men nostalgic for a time when Sunderland was one of Britain's greatest industrial cities, and naive young idiots who think it can become an important cultural city even as the museums close down and the libraries are sold off. What will it be like in the future? The same, but even worse?

>>54424925
Security cameras everywhere and MI7 or whatever is established as a secret police, like MI5 on steroids. Weapons are restricted, but police everywhere start carrying them after a series of riots and terrorist actions by islamists, Irish nationalists, commies and other organisations. The prime minister is not-so-secretly a puppet of notable members of the House of Lords, many of whom use megacorps as fronts. This same cabal is rumoured to be controlled by Russian oligarchs and to have orchestrated false terror attacks to justify introducing a national DNA database and other security measures. Non-BBC news sources are heavily regulated and the government now controls the BBC directly. Everywhere outside of the gated communities of the rich is a slum, left to rot by successive governments and full of cynical drunken peasants who slave away in the corp workhouse to earn the right to claim dole from the government. etc.

>>54440917
Probably about the same, but like a lot of places it might just become a bit of a "feeder" city, like a lot of these post-industrial places.
Though some find resurgence in other things.

Also malice. Always malice.

>>54441447
The house of lords is usually where you put someone who won't be elected even in the party's safe seats - it tends not to have all that much power (they can't start bills, for one), at least now, but if you eventually might get it stuffed with so many politically important but utterly unelectable powerhouses that the balance of power might swing back to the Lords

>>54441447
>Non-BBC news sources are heavily regulated and the government now controls the BBC directly.

No, more like the government sold the BBC to NewsCorp / the Mail Group

>>54440029
All workers rights disappear. Unemployement money disappear.
Either people accept a third worlder's wage or they die in the streets while their job is moved to Vietnam or replace by a robot.

>>54441546
Why hire workers then? Robots are cheaper. I doubt the employees working on designing the next generation of products and the managers would be the same as those living in commie blocks slums.

>>54441598
>Robots are cheaper.
Nope. Robots are expensive to buy, keep running and maintain. Plus, if you don't make them yourself your balls are in the hands of the company selling them. If for some reason they stop helping you maintain your robots you're fucked. If they get bought by your competitor you're fucked. And last but not least, you also need competent people in your company to keep them running and to program them.

An unskilled worker costs vaguely more than 3 meals a day and a place under a mostly waterproof roof.

>>54440917
>What will it be like in the future? The same, but even worse?
Cyberpunk in a nutshell.

>>54427720
I didn't get the impression that religion was a large theme in CoM or a big motivator behind the bombings for that matter. There was a lot of civil unrest but it seemed to be styled after IRA bombings during the Troubles.

>>54442658
>seemed to be styled after IRA bombings during the Troubles.
That had a huge sectarian element to it, what are you talking about.

In CoM wasn't there a fair few big beardy middle eastern blokes involved in the riots as well?

>>54442608
Pretty much

>>54442742
>That had a huge sectarian element to it, what are you talking about.
I'm saying it wasn't Muslims doing the bombings in the movie. Or it might have been, but the suggestion was that it was discontented citizens expressing their slights to the oppressive government rather than a jihad targeting random people.

>>54442742
In CoM the muslims take part in the riots in the ghetto at the end. The bombings at the beginning of the movie are not explained but are either made by the government to spread terror or by the rebel group who kidnap the hero later on

>>54426768
BIGGER FUCKING GUNS

>>54443098
>>54442838
Sorry, thought you were saying the Troubles were just civil unrest without religious elements, which would be so so wrong.

Given the Troubles were very much a thing when cyberpunk came about, and the way terrorism has stuck around, I would say it should probably be in a cyberpunk london setting - be it overt, with explosions every month, or just in the abundance of visible security, big dragon's teeth-like bollards everywhere, lots of private security etc.

>>54437467
>Dickens in the future

Never realized I wanted this

>Cybernetic Oliver Twist completes genocide of mutant rebels
>Reloads
>Turns to his handlers
>"Please sah, I wont sum more!"

>>54437467
>someone make a compelling cyberpunk London, Ontario.
That'd just be a suburban stereotype on fire, maybe with some small breweries. I mean London is a liddle liddle town.

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>Europe totally collapses financially and jolly old England seems to be the last bastion of stability
>inflation begins to runaway
>almost everyone but the rich have to be on the dole, receiving hundreds of thousands in monopoly money and a meager food ration
>as the game progresses through time money becomes progressively more worthless. the monthly payment the players receive from the dole also increases, but at a rate smaller than inflation

>revolutionary factions emerge, and engage in street fights and terrorism
>/pol/ faction, uses augmentation to get an edge
>Black Bloc faction, uses biomods to get an edge
>Salafist faction, uses peace delivery trucks to get an edge

>for the first few months the fighting is contained
>bobbies and their robots patrol the streets, enforcing strict curfew at sunset
>as inflation gets worse and worse the police presence on the streets begins to wane as the state can't afford to run the bots and bobbies

>rioting intensifies to the point where they may not be able to contain it
>players need to find a way to weather the storm, or take a hand in the civil war and try to steer the future of Britain

>>54425290
Not liking boiled pigs anuses with river muck.

>>54443927
It seems that british economy will collapse way before Europes

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>>54444022
Provide evidence.

The EU will inevitably collapse because it has to support, and relies upon, a bunch of financially insolvent states. Brexit definitely weakened the economy, but it also provides insulation from the coming storm. The less connected to the global economy a state is, the longer it will take for them to feel the collapse.

>>54443649
>maybe some small breweries
it's the cyberpunk future

Have the city under the corporate thumb of the macrobreweries.

>>54424925
London is already cyberpunk as fuck. Have you never been there?

>>54444115
Brexit hasn't even started and the UK is already collapsing politically and taking hard economical hits.

>>54428290
Greggs is a sign a place is all right. Go somewhere really shit and it's just chicken cottage, lycamobile and ethnic clothes shops as far as the eye can see.

>>54444208
No, it isn't. It's just the hysteria of the elites losing control.

The UK is expected to be the fastest-growing large economy in Europe this year.

>>54444115

Neither the EU nor Great Britain is going to "collapse," drama queen.

The EU is a difficult project, but it continues to make progress. It's already far outlasted the predictions of the naysayers (naturally, they just keep pushing back their predictions. The world will end next year for sure!)

The "insolvent states" crisis was several years ago; austerity measures were instituted, and things are improving across the board. Berlusconi no longer runs Italy. Greece's finances are improving. The clearest sign is the recent election in France, where a newly-created pro-EU party won outright. They didn't exist two years ago, and now they run the country. Their goal is basically to partner with Germany and become the leaders of Europe by virtue of powerful economies and excellent education systems.

Meanwhile, the UK pro-Brexit government is a farce. People keep resigning. They held an election to gain a mandate, and lost ground instead. Brexit is going down in history as a classic bad move: blame all your problems on foreigners, cut off your nose to spite your face. Xenophobia is good politics but really stupid policy.

>>54444448
>they include prostitution, black market and drugs in their gdp statistics

>>54444517
>the recent election in France, where a newly-created pro-EU party won outright. They didn't exist two years ago, and now they run the country
That was really fucking suspicious. How does a completely new group nobody has ever heard of have the presence or resources to win a national election TWO years after their inception?

Who really pulls the strings?

>>54444648
Macron won because he pulled enough of the middle class to kill both the right and the left. Now his only opponents are in the extremes.

>>54444690
Yeah, but what made the traditionally cowardly middle class who never back an unknown candidate side with him?

He wasn't a commie or a nazi?

>>54444742
He was a former minister of the economy, and his opponents were absolutely pathetic.

>>54444742

>He wasn't a commie or a nazi?

Basically. The last few elections worldwide were won by populist demagogues whose platform was "your crazy conspiracy theories are TRUE! Don't read the newspapers, only listen to me! Foreigners are alien lizards!" Macron's platform was "hi, I'm the sane one!" Turns out some people actually like that, if only for a change of pace.

In a more general sense, En Marche's pitch is that the old political divide between left hasn't just become a sickness, it no longer represents the actual difference of opinion in society. They say it's no longer about commies vs. nazis, it's about people who want an open society vs. people who want a closed society. Do you want to engage with the world, try to reap the benefits of immigration while mitigating the costs, work with other countries? Or do you want to throw up a wall around your country and gradually drown in your own excrement?

>>54444448
Hexes wins the argument. Or should that be Sextuses? What comes after Quints?

>>54444586
>they include prostitution, black market and drugs in their gdp statistics

Err, what are talking about? By definition the black market and all its activities are not included in official GDP statistics. The black market can only loosely be estimated because it illegal or gray legal.

>>54445006
>>54444832
>>54444742
He also said "well you know, less taxes for the middle class would be pretty good". As weird as it sounds he was the only one to say that.

>>54445065
I know but the brits feel the need to include it in their gdp statistics.

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Here's a neat UK/London cyberpunk idea:

Scotland separates, NI rejoins Paddy Ireland, Wales is in rebellion and Disunited Kingdom votes to join a North Atlantic Anglosphere.

There's a good economic case for it here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448611/brexit-global-economic-geography-uk-embraces-wider-world-leaving-europe?target=topic&tid=3886

>>54445090
How? Where? I really don't think so, anon.

>>54445108
A more realistic cyberpunk London would be a technology filled muslim shithole with CCTV everywhere.

>>54445119
They do it since 2015.

all=-pervading CCTV coverage - hacking and controlling the surveillance systems to move unnoticed being a big thing.

the weather.
Always raining, except when its hot for one week every summer, when the entire city grinds to an overheated halt, or the two days a year when it snows, when it grinds to a frozen halt. And which people complain about, every year.

And the Tower of London, St Pauls, and a host of neo-gothic victorian piles still stand in the centre of it all, unchanging.

>>54445159
You'll have to provide evidence for that. To my knowledge the UK provides economic statistics according to GAAP and there is no way to incorporate black market activity into GDP. So I'm quite sure you're mistaken, although you may have read a report somewhere that unofficially included an estimate of the size of the black market.

>>54445219
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2888416/Who-said-crime-doesn-t-pay-Counting-prostitution-drugs-GDP-figure-seen-UK-s-economy-overtake-France-fifth-largest-world.html

>>54445219
>>54445269
More serious
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/29/drugs-prostitution-uk-national-accounts

>>54445072
He also want to cut taxes for the businesses and the very rich, which apparently angers the brits a lot.

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>>54444517
>Neither the EU nor Great Britain is going to "collapse,"
You have to be an ostrich if you think that the current fiscal system is anything but a massive house of cards.

>>54444648
He was a banker for the Rothschild and one of the first thing he does is lower taxes on the rich. Fucking guess.

>>54445269
>>54445288
Hunh, you're right. Well I'm flabbergasted that serious economists at the ONS would actually do this. I'd love to see the detailed methodology to see if it's sitting on a flimsy model someone in the Home Office cooked up. Estimates of this kind are notorious for their volatility and subjectivity and shouldn't be combined with hard manufacturing datasets.

>"In my view, the ONS estimate of the size of the drug market is unlikely to be very accurate. It rests on some heroically large assumptions which would be difficult to test, and it also uses a measure of demand that is likely to understate systematically the true scale of drug use." He added: "They are using a demand-side approach which loosely involves multiplying a survey estimate of the number of drug users by another estimate of the amount consumed by the average user.

Yeah, see, this is garbage. Should never have happened.

But to your other point

>The more inclusive approach brings the ONS into line with European Union rules, and will eventually allow comparisons of the size of the shadow economy in different member states.

So eventually the whole EU will have the same GDP comparators. It's not a uniquely UK thing.

>>54445535
The first taxes he drops are for the middle class, what are you on about.

I mean unless you think a 2500€/month salary is "rich".

>>54445497
>muh precious metal standard

go back to your bunker dude

>>54445688
okay buttmuch, why is precious metal worse than your ZOG approved fiat money?

>>54424925
Like Alcatraz

>>54445831
lol, because limiting the size of your economy to a finite material is teh bestest right?

and then bunker-dwellers like you always go
>well the amount of metal you trade in for can change so the economy can grow duh

which is the same as fiat currency except idiots can get shiny rocks any time they want

your ability to get gold doesn't change whether you buy a toothbrush or a house or a car, it's just some weird sacred lamb preppers have because they're scared shitless of a system too large for their little minds to understand.

>>54445688
Why exactly does the money supply need to increase? Wouldn't deflating currency encourage people to save their money?

The best of savings accounts offer 1-1.5% APY, while the average rate of inflation is ~3%. How is this not totally rigged against middle class people who want a stable future?

Why is anyone who dislike fiat money a stupid idiot retard?

>>54445553
I mean, hookers at least makes sense, that's legal in the UK (solicitation isn't though)

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>>54424925

>>54437467
There is nothing, and will never be anything, compelling about London, Ontario.

t. Torontonian

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It already is one
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40679075

>>54449306
>>54449328
Seems like a bluff to me

>>54449306
>>54449328
The fuck is a TV license?

Only pakis. No whites.

>>54449468
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/#
this whole site seems like a parody

>>54449468
Basically a tax supporting the BBC, which everyone who owns a TV and watches television on it has to pay.

>>54449468
It's to receive (and pay for) national TV (currently some 30-odd channels), especially the BBC (which as a consequence has no adds except for its own programming)

>>54449523
>>54449560
The fuck? The Australian Broadcasting Commission is funded from government grants and their own commercial stuff.

This shit seems like unnecessary nonsense. You already have to pay for the TV. Why don't they just take it out of regular tax money instead of specifically taxing the people using TVs? This means that they have to pay for a group of people to specifically monitor TV use as well as having the existing tax people continue monitoring taxes.

>>54449633
>Why don't they just take it out of regular tax money instead of specifically taxing the people using TVs?
Well
>Tax that pays for producing TV content
>Tax levied on watching TV
I fucking wonder. If you derive no benefit from the BBC, you pay nothing for it. Nice and neat.

>>54449923
But the government is losing money on it by having to employ people to check licenses.

>>54449981
You forget that the Beeb produces content people like - (old) Top Gear, Sherlock, Dr Who etc. Franchises worth millions

Also there's many more Britons than Aussies, which helps.

It's not the best system, but it

>>54425549
>over disciplined schools
What planet are you living on that schools I Britain have *too much* discipline. More importantly, can I come and join you?

>>54440800
This. Mush peas are delicious and I will fight anyone IRL who says different no I won't, but my point stands

>>54451207
Depends where you are and what you mean by discipline.
Schools near me (SE) are full of nosey jobsworths, but command no respect from extremely cynical kids (who I sort of can't blame, but they are insufferable).

>>54428488
>>54429030
thanks anon

>>54451357
It may have changed from when I was in school, but what I remember was the lower sets being basically holding pens for little yobs from the local council estates untill they did something bad enough to get transferred to juvenile detention centre.

On a related note; packs of literal feral hoodies haunting the darkest alleyways & abandoned buildings; each gang/pack speaks it's own indecipherable slang-code, breeds like rabbits, and attacks almost anyone on sight.

>>54446391
Deflation is much, much worse than inflation as the 1930s shows. A drop in prices leads to businesses cutting costs to keep their profits up (even if their profits aren't declining in real terms year on year) which usually results in a loss of jobs, less people able to afford shit and the cycle goes on.

>>54451551
It's not that bad, and I work with a school pretty regularly (though thankfully not in it).
The discipline is all put on the kids who "take" it, and it's pretty oppressive and needless. Petty uniform, language policing, etc.
The really bad kids are an issue of legal liability, so there is a gap in coverage between teacher and police, and funds are tight as piano wire these days.

Children of Men + Neill Blomkamp + 1984

A violent, multicultural hellhole policed by an overbearing nanny state and ruled by an untouchable elite class of oligarchs who prey upon their human cattle like vampires.

>>54451986
You mean, like America? :o

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>>54451743
Aren't the circumstances of deflation in the modern economy because of reduced demand because of prexisting economic downturn?

Maybe I'm just a dumb dumb by why is pic related required to keep the economy moving? Shouldn't the value of currency be try and kept stable so normal people can actually save money?

>>54424925
>What would a cyberpunk London setting look like, /tg/?
...Arab. Except its arabs wearing crust punk outfits with some neon and body mods sprinkled in. Whites would probably be a small enclave within the city along with Indians and blacks, with whites residing in the "country" side. Probably no religion.

>>54453242
Anyone saving money is very bad for everyone.
It means there are people not being paid to work, and not being incentivized to create things of value.

>>54453312
>Anyone saving money is very bad for everyone.
Keynes pls

>>54449923
It's also meant to keep the BBC independent of government control as it's meant to be independent of bias

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>>54454911
>as it's meant to be independent of bias
Ha I'm sure RT is pretty unbiased too.

>>54454911
lol

right

>>54455080
What's RT in this context?

In theory at least the Beeb is independent, though this is called into question a lot, naturally - occasionally programming will be accused of being biased for the other side by both sides though, so they must be doing something right

>>54449468
I never thought other countries wouldn't pay something like that.
t.French
(Our state-owned channels are pretty good and they often buy good foreign shows, desu.)

>>54449523
Technically if it's not connected to the network you're fine

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>>54424925
Tonight! James becomes a flashdealer! Richard waves hello to a street samurai! And there's an AI in our reasonably-priced cyberdeck!

>Rape gangs of voracious slags prowling about for fresh genetic material

Yum

>>54433591
>PhysAds are in vogue amongst UK Shadowrunners because they can use their body as a weapon
>Mages and Shamans are probably in as well, unless with the resurgence of magic comes also (literal) draconian laws put upon magic users

>>54445497
>I don't know how inflation works.

>>54462276
Sauce?

>>54461323
I would absolutely watch a cyberpunk Top Gear.

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What would a Mexican space colony be like?

>>54462831
Did you want a real answer or an epic /pol/ meme answer

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>>54424940
>>54425253

>>54463076
I suppose a real answer, that seems more fun and thought-out.

>>54424925
ITT: americans

>>54465015
Some of this has actually been reasonable, that excludes Americans by default

>>54462513
Basically, yeah.

Whether it's high-vis exo-armour police jackets, back-street muscle grafts or brassy decorated cybernetics, in the UK your best bet for defending yourself (or beating someone to a pulp) is almost always going to be something that can be classed as 'you'

>>54458267
The BBC are just fucking savage to anyone given a chance, see this very week getting their own guy to ask their top presenters how can they justify their salaries after the Conservatives forced them to make public figures for the top paid stars.

>>54461323
It would be a nice accompaniment to 40k Top Gear http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17349857/ and Star Wars Top Gear