/WFG/ Warhammer Fantasy General

First for Kislev

>>54423344
There's nothing 'experimental' about a gyro.

>>54423483
but its just a bit older than humanity... its totally experimental!

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Making up army concepts for Total Warhammer is fun.

Halfling Hunters - Standard missile unit

Halfling Militia - Standard melee unit with spears
Halfling Militia (Shields) - Version with both shield and spear

Halfling Riders - light cavalry mounted on ponies, armed with bows and close combat weapons

Halfling Hot Pot - Classic Halfling artillery unit

Mercenary Ogres - Costly heavy melee units to give the force some melee power

Halfling Fieldwardens - Elite skirmishers armed with close combat weapons and slings, have bonuses versus undead units

- - -
*Moving beyond the rank & file
Hedge Wizard - Human caster hero providing Halflings with magical abilities (Lore of Beasts? Fire? ...Light?)
Halfling Adventurer - Sneaky melee/ranged hero
Halfling Gamekeeper - Ranged hero, specialised in functions relating to minding your territory on the strategic world map

*Now the real problem with Halflings is when it comes to making up LORDS for them, since they are not the Lordly sort

Master Chef - 'Melee' lord but more focused around buffing army

*But what about a Legendary Lord? They do have an Elector Count.. would she just be even better at strengthening the abilities and morale of the army with her special rules than the generic chef?
When it comes to her mount like other races legendaries... the standard ride for halfling heroes would obviously be a war-pony but as for Elector Count Hisme Stoutheart she could always upgrade to riding around on the Souptank Kathleen!

>started collecting Warhams when was a poor student
>half-assed half of my models because poorfag, lazy, and didn't use imagination
>now i gotta remake half the units so they don't look as shit

WHY DID I THINK JUST STRAIGHT UP GLUING ONE GLADE GUARD AND ONE LONG DRYAD ARM TO A DRYAD TORSO IS ACCEPTABLE?! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

>>54423533
>But what about a Legendary Lord?
Marius Leitdorf.

>>54423533
look at hafllings in Age of Wonder 3, might give ya ideas

also, "Lord" is nothing more than a label. they ain't gotta be that strong. heck, empire General sucks dicks against half the Heroes in the game. still a Lord.

also, oversized chicken as a mount

>>54423583
>oversized chicken as a mount
Square-Enix will sue.

>>54423595
a cock then. give 'em "rooster knights" or something

>>54423562
He's dead.
That's part of the reason the Moot even has their own Elector Count and thus a vote during their meetings.

And Boris Todbringer already functions in the game as a generic elector count so it would be kind of boring, unless they were planning on adding ALL of them to the game as playable units which would be pretty cool.

Did Countess Emmanuelle get her job only because she's hot?

>>54423659
There are other dead lords in the game.

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>>54423699
That is SLANDER you cur!

I shall see you upon the dueling fields this instant.

>>54423738
That's not really fair though, you have a runefang.

>>54423718
But if you're making a halfling army why would you avoid using the halfling elector count? Give her a runefang that takes two of her sons or grandsons to carry for her in battle

>>54423699
Because she slept with guy from OP pic.

>>54423659
Marius is in game already, m8.
He's with Azhag and Vlad in the Kroak club of giving zero fucks about being dead

>>54423757
It worked I guess.

>>54423754
The elder of moot is not an elector-count and doesn't have a runefang.

>>54423754
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mootland
>Ruler: Elector Count Hisme Stoutheart, Elder of the Halfling Moot

>>54423816
Should have been linked to
>>54423796

>>54423816
The wiki is wrong.

>>54423840
Less wrong than you.

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>>54423699
>>54423757
Because her family's claim was solid and because she is an extremely cunning social networker who surrounds herself with useful agents to handle the business of running Nuln and Wissenland while she parties and fucks.

The Lahmians are keen to recruit her.

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>>54423533
>Master Chef
You called?

On a more serious note (relatively speaking. I mean, we are talking Halflings here), a Masterblaster Halfling/Ogre duo would be awesome.

>>54423757
Name checks out.

>>54423879
She's also surrounded by fedora tipping nice guys that also happen to work with skaven. Sounds like she already is a Lahmian.

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>>54423860
Why do I have to explain basic fluff to /v/ermin?

>>54423946
Giving her a runefang is a joke from two threads ago, because it would be funny to see Hobbits trying to use one (and not all of them are recovered). But the Elector Count(ess) herself is an existing character.

>>54423879
>Emmanuelle von Liebwitz, Grand Countess of Wissenland, Countess of Nuln, and Duchess of Meissen is the current Elector Count of Wissenland who gained her seat around the same time that Karl Franz was crowned Emperor. A childhood friend of the current ruler, she had a claim to the title of Elector Count, but not a good one. By currying the favour of Franz—some suggest she seduced him—she took the title of Elector Countess in 2503 IC.

>>54423946
Fuck off, Carnac.

>>54423928
One guy, who was killed.

>>54423984
>everyone who uses actual fluff sources must be Carnac!

So I'm suffering a mordheim itch, but my WHFB minis are in storage several states away due to a recent job move.

Are there any good ways to get into or set up a proper Mordheim campaign online nowadays?

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>>54423946

I'm just here to say that in place of imperial mercenary ogres (or on top of them) I would give halflings the more docile half-ogres, who don't actually have any interspecies breeding going on, but are named that way because they have settled down around halflings in a stable way

>>54424035
Yes, he is an elector, not an elector count, so he doesn't have a runefang.

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>>54423977
Knowing Karl-Franz, he chose her because he considered her trustworthy enough and not politically powerful enough to form some sort of cooperation with Todbringer or other troublemakers. Certainly it was a good choice, since Emmanuelle's ambitions are mostly centered around Nuln and she's opened her purse...I wanna say twice for loans to the Empire.

>>54423977
why ain't she the countess in TWWH?

>>54424055
They didn't bother making female count model, its not necessary for game.

>>54424053
Wrong. He doesn't have a Runefang because the Moot wasn't a separate province when they were made, and passing out the ones in storage is a political impossibility. The Moot's Elector is a full peer with a vote as strong as any province.

>>54423984
That's not Carnac.
He claims that anyone who disagrees with him is a malicious liar and only posts sources that dictate nebulous points that were written specifically to clash with others, then convieniently ignores said others.
That poster also didn't fellate Chaos enough.

>>54424073
If you yell at them for long enough then they might put her in.

>>54424053
She.

I don't see how the people made made the halfling fan codex possible mistook 'Hisme' Stoutheart for a man's name.

>>54424073
>not necessary for game
that's a bullshit reason, they made whole lolbret faction who are less necessary for the game than lore-friendly Empire counts

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>>54424035
>suck it dwarves
Thats a groodge.

>>54424055
Emmanuelle doesn't fight. She has a Marshal for that.

>>54424073
Its entirely necessary for verisimilitude.

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>>54424082
Here's the preceding page, read the last paragraph. The elder of the Moot is an elector, but not an elector count. Only elector counts have runefangs.

>>54424055
On another note, how come Marienburg doesn't get a variant army? Or other armies getting little tiny permutations thereof. I remember the old armybook variants, like Blood Dragons being able to use the Lance formation, Marienburgers getting Pistolier cores, but having non-stubborn Greatswords, or Sylvanians having access to living militia (or in the Storm of Chaos list, Drakenhof Templars as an "upgrade" to Black Knights, since the 6e VC book was pre-Blood Knight).

Then there was the dreaded Snotling Army "because we could..."

>>54424083
Again, you lie.

You want me to go to the archives and prove that you lied about....lets make a brief list

1-Malal
2-Gods of Law lore (literally citing fanfiction)
3-Archaon prophecy that appeared in Storm of Chaos

We have the archives. We know have seen your lies, you shameless lickspittle.

>only posts sources that dictate nebulous points that were written specifically to clash with others

Your face is nebulous. The points I make are usually based on solid fact like the fucking Skaven being Children of Chaos. I bet you were one of the assholes who disagreed with that.

>>54424119
Then explain why Vlad never got a Runefang.

>>54424083
to be fair it's actually very common for carnac to play the card of the fool and pretend to not be himself

you can look for yourself in the archives for carnac threads and you will find pretty often the following
>everyone who posts fluff is carnac
or my favourite because people still fall for it
>who the fuck is carnac/what the fuck is a carnac
that he even posts under spoilers


one outlier for carnac posting are the filenames, because he doesn't crop on the spot , but usually prepares or reuses assets, that he diligently name unequivocally for ease of searching as an autist would.

>>54424086
They probably will eventually anyway.
The empire is currently the only faction with one starting point, and while Toddbringer is the logical next one, Nuln will be the most likely one after that

>>54424008
Its a shame the Mordheim computer game isn't that good.

Too much level scaling, the ai warbands you face ALWAYS have identical numbers to your own, including stuff like the same number of heroes, and since they don't need to really worry about injuries or keeping up with warpstone shipments etc things are unnaturally weighted against the player.

A really slapdash way of balancing the fact they couldn't make particularly competent AI.

>>54424098
No one cares about counts except Karl, Bretonnia is second most important faction in Old World.

>>54424192
You should change your name to Nostradamus.
Posting that just as he pulled that exact trick is uncanny. Too bad for him that he's getting no more (you)s

>>54424224
I care.

Though I care about Kislev getting its Ice Queen and their unique units (even if they are mostly renamed reskins of Empire units) more.

>>54424192
Look at all those accusations and projection.

>>who the fuck is carnac/what the fuck is a carnac

No, the guys who type this are my fans or detractors because for some reason they like to talk about m more than the fluff or the game itself. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't do it yourself. It's fine with me. It's funny as hell.

>>54424228
(you) are not needed. Proving you wrong on a regular basis is enough for me.

>>54424186
Because Sylvania has never been a province but a part of Stirland. If Vlad was actually the elector-count of Stirland, he must've preferred his own magic sword or in game terms GW didn't want to give the Undead an Empire magic iten.

>>54423542
>started building army in freshman year highschool
>very poor. Could only get a box of infantry once in a while
>fast forward to now. Never kept up on the news, only that skaven were still a thing and threads on /tg/ give me hope that there's a playerbase
>acrue 4k point army, fully painted and modded, at my 28th year

>not a single person in my area plays 8/9th and below.

Everyone here is a fucking hipster and just dumps money on anythong new that comes out and "anon, those old rules are shit. The new games got all the fixed rules.". Mind you these are people neck deep in 40k fandom as well, so it makes sense.

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Does anyone else think Belegar Ironhammer is one of the coolest heroes?

I mean beyond being a kickass dude himself he starts off a bunch of Ancestor-Ghosts as his heroes. that's pretty spiffy.

>>54424342
He is Warhammer Thorin Oakenshield.

At this point this whole fucking thread belongs in /vg/
DEAD GAME

>>54424342
>Belegar Ironhammer

No, his parts in the novels are lame compared to Headtaker and greenkin parts.

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>>54424256
>my fans

>>54424342

He's certainly the best Dwarf Lord model going.

>>54424342
He is a good challenge to play as, probably the most challenging lord in the game, But has he got schemes, anon?

>>54424369

AoS belongs in /toy/.

>>54424391
Negative fanboying is still fanboying. It's like you never watched wrestling and seen how the heels work.

>>54424456
/toy/ here, and fuck no! >>>/trash/ would be more appropriate.

>>54423699

No, she also puts out.

>>54424202
Yeah, I read about the developers over-relying on "Fake difficulty" and it really turned me off from wanting to try it. That, and the game isn't even true to the tabletop (no "common pool" of Hired Swords), plus the DLC-paywalls and being unfriendly to mods. Shame really :(

I'm definitely thinking of Tabletop Simulator or so, but any other alternative engines would be cool too. Or I could suck it up, take the train to Brooklyn, uber, and all...bleh.

Do you reckon cousin Okri is a slayer, or just an exceptionally dangerous Dwarf?
I know normally families of slayers just assume they're dead and speak of them as such, but rangers are generally thought of as weird by Dwarf standards, so that might be the reason Bardin speaks about him normally.
Or is he just made up, which is why Bardin gets so indignant when Kruber asks him if he did

>>54424496
She's basically Catherine the Great. Huge patron of the arts, obsessed with making her domain a center of high culture, religiously indifferent, appoints lovers to positions of power, has numerous lovers and flings, dismissive of commoners, rules despite being a woman in a society where this is not typical...

>>54424537

If he exists I doubt he's a Slayer, he gifted his helmet to Bardin which isn't something a Slayer would usually wear.

>>54424504
>>54424202
The mordheim difficulty is absolute bullshit.
All it does it take your warband and add a few levels, forcing cheesy anti AI tactics to even stand a chance.
It also makes ambushes, even ones you start, a death sentence at higher levels

>>54424537
Dwarfs don't lie outright, so Kruber's question was hugely offensive and impicitly calling him a liar. Kruber didn't mean it like that, of course, but Bardin took it that way.

If Okri is a slayer, it might be the case that he's dead and that's why Bardin talks about him so freely.

So GW is connecting the fantasy and 40K setting. The Glottkin were spotted among the new 40K Nurglite releases. How does that make you feel?

>>54424568
Fair point, though It's possible he gave it to Bardin before or when he became one.

Now I'm getting the image of cousin Okri, Ellis' buddy Keith, Sly Marbo and Chicago Ted teaming up in their own game

>>54424224
Dwarf are.
Bretonnia are the second most important HUMAN faction, and that doesn't matter, 'cos humans are already sufficiently with Empire and Norscans
Bretonnia is nothing more than lolmeme pseudo-historical theme park, like Estalia and Tilea, which somehow got updated to 6th Edition, and so people keep thinking fucking meme is real faction. It's not. It's flat useless piece of cardboard scenery, like Tilea, Estalia, Cathai, and the others.

>>54424637
>So GW is connecting the fantasy and 40K setting.

It has always been connected.

>The Glottkin were spotted among the new 40K Nurglite releases.

Where?

>>54424726
Dwarfs control much fewer territory and waaay less numerous.

>>54424342
oh yeah, the cool tabletop model one... which is his only redeeming quality, really. pathetic backstory, pathetic aims, pathetic name (seriously? iron? for a nation that uses gromril?). and he needs completely undwarfy ghost (dwarfs are all about no outward magic, and he gets fucking incarnations of cgi) to even try to make him mediocre. also compared to his tapletop model, his TW model sucks.

>>54424637
They also posted news about "daemons disappearing as if they went to war in other universe".

>>54424753
also waaay less pathetic, and have actual technology and culture. and this comes from a dwarf-hater.

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>>54424815
>chugging booze and digging holes are considered culture

>>54424841
Don't forget the grudges!

>>54424739
There is a thread about it >>54424057

>>54425015
Considering that's a bunch of converted Plague Marines and the source of the image as far as I can see is a Nurgle fan site I'd not put much stock in it. Especially given the common practise of converting the Glottkin into a Great Unclean One.

>>54423533
>Master Chef
What if you give the Master Chef a Soup Cart to ride on as an upgrade to his abilities as a lord, kind of like a Screaming Bell but instead of an evil deadly magical bell its a giant cauldron of delicious soup.
The Master Chef can bring it to a boil to waft the mouth-watering aroma to nearby friendlies, causing them to forget their fear or panic and fight harder for a period of time.

>>54423757

Karl is literally on her leash you fag since he took shitloads of loans from her.

>>54424055

Game starts when Karl was just crowned. That's why she or Katarina are not in game yet.

>>54425185
The game is kind of sonky with dates and characters, hope they do show up at some point like when the campaigns are combined.

>>54423977
I refuse to believe Karl didn't/hasn't hit that.

>>54424726

I'm so fucking glad 4e is going away from this retarded empire centrism.

We'll get books about southern nations and they will finally stop being memes. Tilea has better tech than Empire and is richer while fighting off Skaven invasions for centuries. Meanwhile Estalia is building fantasy version of Spanish Empire.

Empire is the most boring human faction.

>>54425198

Tzarina is definitely appearing once Kislev becomes a major faction in WH3. Emmanuel probably not since she's not a battlefield character.

>>54424537
A tangent but the Rangers are really a cool part of Warhammer Dwarfs, I love them so much.

>>54425237
Where it was said?

>>54425237
>Tilea has better tech than Empire and is richer

lel.
Tilea ain't got shit on Nuln or the Imperial Colleges.

>Meanwhile Estalia is building fantasy version of Spanish Empire.

No they're not. The locals of the new world aren't so easy as they were in real life.

>>54425337

Diseases will take care of dying lizard empire.

>>54424342
He's a massive cunt in the lore to other Dwarfs.

>>54425359
I'm pretty sure Lizardmen are immune to puny human diseases.

Not so much humans against mighty jungle diseases delivered by the hordes of biting stinging insects.

>>54425237
Estalia don't have conquistadors, only people in Lustria are Tileans, Empre and Norse.

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>>54425260
What about Elspeth von Draken? She would be a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay cooler Mage Lord than Goldmember.

And with the Norse DLC we know for a fact they have no hesitation when it comes to adding Forgeworld units...

>>54425441
And sexy Amazons.

>>54425442

She'll probably be in game along with alternate start as Nuln.

>>54425380
From what little I saw of him in Trollslayer, He seems a massive cunt in general

>>54425337
>Estalians ransack and abandoned temple city
>Crash the economy by devaluing gold
>In the ensuing Chaos Archaon invades
>End TImes

Thanks Estalia.

>>54424841
Elves were fascinated by Runesmithing.
The two races created a single Rune together which is still one of the best.

>>54425442
>Some bitch
>Cooler than Gelt

>>54425442
Too many charlemagnes.

>>54425505
Gelt is shit, and a traitor.

>>54425473
Dwarf fans loved the 8e book because Thorgrim BTFOs him.

>>54423699
Isn't she a Lhamia?

>>54425237
They'll still be memes, just forced ones now.
There need not be more than 2 human factions, one good and one evil, in any setting.

>>54425543
All Empire women are.

>>54425522
Gelt is based.
Better than some whore.

>>54425522
only in ET
in proper WHFB he's awesome
and even if he were, his model and voice acting in TWWH are so top-notch that everything is forgiven

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What about Repanse de Lyonesse?

Resurrected by The Lady in the current age to fight once more for Bretonnia during its second darkest hour versus the unholy powers of Chaos?

>>54425566
The only thing as bad as Chaos wank in warhammer is Vampire wank.

>>54424053
>>54424082

You're both wrong

The Elector from the Moot has a vote, but is not a count because the Moot was legally under Stirland. It was the emperor Goldgreed or Goldeater or some shit that granted the Moot Indipendence and recognition as a client state of the Empire.

>>54425612
FUND IT

Also add Caledor The Dragontamer, Kragg The Grim, Ushoran, Snagla Grobspit, Sisters Of Twilight.

>>54425543
She is confirmed not to be in the Ulrika books. She's also not as soft as you might believe, since when confronted by a eat wizard exploding people with lightning demanding she step forward, she does as soon as she realizes what he's asking for and tells him to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut when he starts making demands.

>>54425612
The warhammer version of Joan d'Arc

>>54425627
Von Carstein is vampire wank.

Lahmia is a meme.

The rest are underrepresented.

>>54425392
The Lizard were nealy wiped out by Skaven diseases

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Would you stake a Lahmian?

>>54425693
>that moment in Nuln where Thanquol blew up the Eshin guy for absolutely no reason other than he could get away with it
King really knew how to write Skaven

GELT IS A STORMCAST
FUCK GELT
FUCK GOLD WIZARDS

>>54425760
Yes, a SKAVEN disease, as in the only ones behind Grandpappy Nurgle himself when it comes to biological warfare.

>>54425782
wut?

>>54425760
>Nearly wiped out
Not really; but a entire Temple City was lost, and that's a big deal.

>>54425772
I would whip the shit out of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZ5XZHIDh0

Why Dwarves don`t have tanks in Fantasy, considering they can make helicopters?

>>54425840
Because their fucked up views on innovation mean that they only ever advance when an Engineer in seclusion makes a damn near watertight invention.
Otherwise they get exiled.

>>54425337
The steam tank was invented by a Tilean and the Empire still hasn't been able to recreate the design.

>>54425462
Who are Norse.

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https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/888083133802917892

>>54425865
Then explain the steampunk dwarfs in AoS.

>>54425876
It was invented by a singular genius.
No one has been able to recreate them since.

>>54425899
ohhoho, time to krell!

>>54425940
>explain non-WHFB dwarfs in another setting
what?

>>54425650
How am I wrong? He's not an elector count nor does he have a runefang.

>>54425940
>AoS
That's your explanation

>>54425940
They're a collection of radicals who escaped into the skies after another End Times started to happen.
They went full; fuck gods and kings, they don't do shit.

>>54425876
And there were other subtle but notable things the Tileans did which curiously didn't catch on in the Empire. I get why pavises might not matter so much (lol Chaos is all-melee but it could be useful vs the odd Greenskin), but considering they also had the Birdmen of Catrazza (these guys really deserved a proper resculpt), and Galloper Guns (you would think rapidly redeploying artillery would help vs Beastmen), it's silly these all were ignored.

Oh right, GW wanted to hock more "big trademarkable monsters."

>>54425988
Everything not the Pavises were all one-offs by particular inventors that no one ever mass-produced, thats what makes the Dogs of War Regiments so Renowned.

They hardly belong to Tilea.

>>54425840
They do.
There's a story about one used to clear a section of the Underway.

Dwarfs just don't see tanks as valuable since they almost entirely fight defensively or in sieges where they don't want to wreck the fortress they are trying to reclaim.

Tanks are mobile artillery meant to provide cover for infantry while pushing into enemy lines. If anything, you want tanks to use against Dwarfs.

>>54426056
At the same time, given their strategic immobility, need for supply trains, etc, it would make sense for them to have some APCs and not always rely on "surprise, these miners were digging under the battle the whole time!"

(What happens if they fight near magma?)

>>54426078
Considering Dwarfs hate using wood if they can avoid it, old Karak trade wagons are probably better armored than an Empire Steam Tank.

But yeah, we know Dwarfs have tanks though there's only one story of them in use and in the stpry they are marooned and out of fuel. There are probably more but aside from one army list in 6e the Underway is a neglected concept. GW encouraging players to make their own shit for campaigns suggests there's so much Dwarf tech anything you make is probably canon whether standard or made by a mad Engineer under a liberal king.

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>Anyone but the Skaven attempting to claim technological superiority

You'll cowards don't even snort warpstone.

>>54425774
Skavenslayer is one of my favourite black library books.

I miss the Warhammer World, it had a certain charm that 40k lacks.

>>54426223
Skaven tech is literally just plugging random shit into things to see what works.

Its monkeys and typewriters. Eventually enough Engineers manage to not blow themselves off to make a few hundred totally different things that cannot be repaired due to shoddy unstandardized parts and Engineers who are successful being stabbed in the back, of which maybe a third work.

Also, show me your flying machines and internal combustion engines.

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>>54426307
Forget that shit, they have rat-portable gatling guns!

>>54426307
>Needing internal combustion engines when you've already invented the much superior warpstone generator
>Implying Skaven haven't already invented rockets

>>54425899
I hope gaining Krell as a summon will make that legendary necromancer less useless.

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>>54426332
>>54426391
>Literally just weapons

>>54426332
Vermintide using Stormvermin one man teams was a pretty neat addition

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>>54426435
>Whatever the truth of the cannon, it is clear that Skaven weapon technology is far, far beyond that of the Empire, and even beyond that of the Dwarfs.

>—Ammelie Meyer, Priestess of Verena, 2522

>>54426541
>Ammelie Meyer
Litteral who only mentioned and quoted while sucking ratmen dick

Nice source anon.

>>54424841

You forgot our farting competitions.

>>54426701
What do the Empire of Dwarfs have that's comparable to the destructive power of the Doomsphere?

>>54426729

A steam tank lifted by 12 gyrocopters.

>>54426501

A lot of them do exist in the hero section, the only new one was the ratling gunner being one man.

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>dead game's general has ALREADY almost lapped the Age of Deadmar one!

>>54426876
Whoever it is that supposedly likes AoS, they aren't the types to post on /tg/ I guess.

>>54426912

They'll all be doing their homework for tomorrow.

Does anyone think we could have Fantasy and AoS existing in tandem?

for example, could Fantasy be the mundane world and AoS be the heavenly sphere or something?

>>54426912
There wasn't any new content for months. We are waiting for 40K to finish its cycle.

>>54426307
>internal combustion engines
are you kidding me? pretty much all skaven engines havecombustion! internal, external, wide-area, you name it!

>flying machines
rare machine doesn't go flying after exploding hard enough

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>>54426961
No, the core of the fantasy world is above Sigmar's place.

>>54425899
im quite happy.
Also is this any good? http://store.steampowered.com/app/326670/Warhammer_Quest/

>>54426758
with a hellstorm battery tied to its belly

>>54426986

Well that would be a pretty minor retcon, Sigmar could even decide to slam dunk it down and bring the world back into existence.

>>54426912
they are playing their game because they actually have people to play with

>>54426961
Mortal Realms couuuuld be wellsprings of the Winds of Magic in the Realms of Chaos, but that would severely devalue a lot of stuff in regular WHFB world, so its kinds retarded.

WHFB and AoS are better off as separate settings.

>>54427003
>Well that would be a pretty minor retcon

Not really, the setting revolves around the world being destroyed and that birthing the mortal realms.

>>54427001
I can't wait to bully Skaven with Hellstorms.
Vampires and Greenskins already get ripped to shreds by them

>>54425899
>another vampire cunts upgrade
:D

>>54427053
its just 3 undead-related DLCs
number of death is 4
so there's just one more left

>>54427053
Kemmler desperately needed this, m8

>>54427082
I know, i love VC
>>54427064
its 7 actually

>>54427039

> Implying Games Workshop won't hand wave the fuck out of this.

Really anon? GW have just shit on the entire concept of the Imperium in 40K by advancing everything in a few months when we've been told for 20 years that the Imperium rarely creates new things but instead finds STC's. Turns out some techpriest had all this Primaris shit tucked up his sleeve.

>>54427003
The Stormcast forge their armour and weapons from the metal mined from the core of the fantasy world. It's suppose to be poetic ans shit. Warriors armed with remnants of a dead world protecting a new world from the evil that seeks to consume all.

>>54426729
Something at least somewhat reliable

>>54427113
Every time I hear something I didn't know about age of Sigmar, I dislike it even more.

Why not just have it as a war between the gods in the realms of chaos and let the world be?

>>54427113
That's trite, and dumb as shit.

>>54427142
>world

Because Archaon was destined to destroy the world and it would be a huge coup out if he didn't.

>>54427145
>That's trite

Is it? I don't think I've ever seen it used before.

>>54427179
Destiny is for faggots and terrible game designers.

>>54427053
They did it only because its skull and khorne themed to GW steam sale.

>>54427179
It was a semi-rhetorical question.

I'm still not over the loss of my favourite warhammer setting, although total war is helping it's not the same.

>>54426876
>Warhammer TW is the most popular TW game ever
>4e rpg already announced

What a time to be alive.

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>>54426964
>We are waiting for 40K to finish its cycle.

Fantasy fans used to think the same thing would happen.

>>54426961
I think so, but it needs heavy retcons and rebalancing
>mortal realms created with the great catastrophe (also explains realmgates as remnants of the now magic flooded old ones' webway)
>most of the pantheon of order either needs to be actually somebody else or some other bullshit explanation as being a divine shadow of the character in the old world with the two not being aware of the connection
>insert minor "lol chaos makes time and space not linear" to explain both bigger numbers and larger reach of the people from the old world to colonise the realms
>insert some explanation for the old world to not become irrelevant land when there're the mortal realms or vice versa (the first I think of is that the mortal realms are too unstable for a big empire but needed for tasty options like portals travel and first line defence against others who would otherwise gain access to the portals and furthet strategic possibilities for an old world invasion)

it's not like further space isn't the main relevant thing to take from AoS

>>54427351
Is Link waywatcher or shadow warrior?

>>54426729
Gotrek.

>>54426912
AoS is Facebook stuff.

>>54426961
Yes. Alternate universes, like WFB and Blood Bowl.

>>54427113
>It's suppose to be poetic ans shit.
>sigmarines literally wear the corpse of the old world

you're right, it's like pottery, it rhymes

>>54427219
This.

Not to mention ET shit on a bunch of different prophesies and destinies for posterboy Chaos to have his.

>>54427382
Free Company.

Or White Lion Of Chrace.

has anyone considered making our own not!Warhammer setting, containing all the WHFB factions, with most of their flavour and much of their culture intact, but different history
being independent from GW's set plot threads and the stigma of End Times (and chaoswank) it could develop on its own

>>54427576
9th age?

>>54427492
Link is Golgfag Maneater dressed as an Elf. Easy Come, Easy Go with Magic.

>>54427576
It was called Endhammer.
It sucked and fizzled because nobody could agree.

>>54427382
Warhammer already has enough Elric expies.

>>54427600
which is also not generic and impersonal like T9A, and doesn't suck as much

>>54427619
wasn't Endhammer just alternate continuity of WHFB forked at End Times? I'm talking about brand new setting. not tied with Old World other than by concidentally having same major races/factions

>>54427179

Who the fuck cares about Archaon? I know dozens of people who are into Warhammer for 20+ years and not a single one likes Archaon.

>>54427468

Was the girl in crystal even mentioned in ET?

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Anyone knows any site with warhammer fantasy art?
Equivalent of http://wh40kart.im/
Pls i need art

>>54427576
I've actually been seriously thinking of creating a general-purpose "low fantasy" skirmish game. I have a few other homebrew projects going around, and always focused more on "core rules" rather than specific armies.

I have two main things I've drafted up:
-A "two actions" alternating activation system which also enables Interrupts, originally for a scratch rewrite of 40k.
-Consolidated mounted combat rules and "build-a-wagon" rules (with modifiers like Howdah, Steam Engine, Skaven Ratwheel, etc).

I imagine putting the two together while using skirmish movement and making formationing "optional" could be interesting indeed, giving it a more "fluid" Mount&Blade feel.

>>54427468
>Not to mention ET shit on a bunch of different prophesies and destinies for posterboy Chaos to have his.

Like what?

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>>54424101
If the Grudgebringer Mercenaries showed up in TWH that would be mindblowing.

>>54425899
KRELL! I CHOOSE YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZCZ7M_lifM

>>54423946
Because you have so many people only coming in off of T:WW and so many aspects of the fluff are completely new to them, and are not explained well within the game itself.

>>54424342
It's funny to think that in the early stories of Gotrek and Felix he was a very sad very old and slightly creepy dwarf, not a badass warrior king.

>>54427744

But that's like reading Harry Potter without liking Harry Potter!

>>54428302
Harry Potter was a pretty shitty main character, but then again the series of books were shitty too.

>>54428301
When are Gotrek and Felix going to be in Total Warhammer though?

>>54424054
Nuln is a potentially very powerful city, what with its colleges and cannons, and it needs a politician more than a warrior's touch. It's not bordering Sylvania or getting swarmed with beastmen, so it's okay to have a poor leader of men in Wissenland that can navigate its noble houses and trade.

>>54428363
My guess is only after the TWIII Grand Campaign is done. They're kind of iconic in the setting and holding them back gives you one more thing to get hype for.

I wonder how'd they'd work mechanically?
It'd be funny if you never commanded them separate and they always moved like they were one unit.

>>54428342

And applying the what you should do if you dislike Harry Potter: if you don't like Archaon or Warhammer don't read the lore.

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What do the vampire counts do in their shithole of a province all day?

>>54428464
Though what if you like Warhammer but realize the obsession with Chaos was a cancer growing inside its plot?

>>54428302

I played Warhammer for years without even knowing Archaon existed.

>>54428302

Chaos in not the MC no matter what fanboys claim.

>>54428496
Scheme, Drink blood, and raising dead people?

>>54428496
That is honestly a pretty good question.
In most versions of the fluff Sylvania only gets re-conquered by the Von Carstein's "recently" (I remember reading no less then three separate bits of fiction in three editions where Mannfred "returns" and retakes the province) and instead of being a vampire-ruled shithole it was a shithole where the peasants had to constantly deal with lesser undead while hunting down any vampires that got away.
Because the fluff sort of was always "just starting" every edition from an in-universe standpoint we never heard too much about what the hell the Von Carsteins are doing when they AREN'T trying to conqueror folks.
Maybe studying dark magic junk? It's vague enough that you don't really know how time-consuming it is or isn't.

>>54428496
>If your name is Vlad von Carstein
Actually run the place properly

>If your name is NOT Vlad von Carstein
Dick about and be an edgy asshole.

>>54428522
There was no obsession.
They was always a core part of the world and the destined destroyer.

>>54428623
How canon is them building vineyards in the Total war? Maybe they just pretend to be regular nobles

>>54428450
It's a really difficult one. I hope they don't do what they did with Isabella and that you can have them actually in the same army stack.

Not that I'm against momma von Carstein getting a buff and being slightly relevant, I feel something's missing when she's not in Vlad's stack.

>>54428560
I played it for years BEFORE he existed even.
>>54428608, >>54428623
The other Vampire Counts are easier to figure out what they do at least; Lahmians are off doing the political and social manipulation thing, Strigoi are off being freaky wild animal killers in remote areas, Necrach are basically blood-drinking D&D Liches, and Blood Dragons are almost literally murderhobos.

>>54425237
>Estalia isn't united
>other factions have been going to lustria for gold
>the lizardmen hold the amazingly dangerous jungles so well that it'd be near impossible to conquer without a massive army that the Estalians could not possibly pull together even if they were united
>there is no 'deus vult' to propel the Estalians to try and save the souls of the new world savages
>Estalia still has to deal with their neighbors at home, and Skaven and beastmen, and the Saratosa pirates that constantly threaten their trade
>their biggest exports are salted fish
>the high elves have a rigorous control of trade with Cathay, so they don't have an opportunity to get in on any spice trade
>their northern kingdoms are seen as chivalrous by Bretonnians, which means half the kingdom must be full Don Quixote

I'm glad that you think Estalia is cool, I really do. But they aren't going to become this colonial power just because you're looking at real history too much, and are ignoring /why/ things happened the way they did in real history.

>>54428623

It's just full of scheming independent vampire rulers. Usually they even hide being Vampires (poorly), unless Mannfred has taken control of the province publicly, but the peasants fear and serve them nonetheless.

>>54425612
Get me Bohemond Beastslayer, then we'll talk.

>>54425612
>>54428782

Mallobaude is the King Bretonnia needs.

>>54428749
>cathay
>spices
wat

>>54428650
>Only shows up at the tail end of 6th in a campaign where he gets stomped
>Gets over-promoted in 7th and 8th to compensate like a cheap pro-wrestling character who owners are trying to "build up" as the biggest badass without having to do any real work.

Then again, the rubes eat that shit up.
I guess that's why they're called rubes.
>>54428653
Economics aren't really mentioned much in the wargame for obvious reasons.
Sometimes Von Carsteins pretend to not be vampires but in Sylvania it is hard as hell to slip that shit by the local population and the Empire keeps an eye on the province (there's two whole orders of knights that specialize in killing undead there) due to guys like Vlad and Konrad in the provincial history.
There's a significant amount of non-vampire Von Carsteins apparently (like all HRE-style nobles that they absurdly extensive family trees), but they often go under different names or even leave Sylvania due to the stigma associated with it.
Sorta like how "Adolf" wasn't actually a particularly uncommon name, but after WWII the number of kids who got named that dropped sharply.
>>54428676
I know what you mean.
It doesn't make sense to split them up to me; it's "Gotrek & Felix" not "Gotrek &a That Umgi Way Over In That Other Army".

>>54428749
Considering they alongside the Knights of the Blazing Sun fought off an Arabyan invasion (and Sultan Jaffar was allegedly in cahoots with the vile Skaven!), I'm sure there's plenty of opportunity for a Myrmidian Deus Vult!

I mean, hell the Empire got a Crusade army for 6e (yet no Arabyans to actually use it against, only Tomb Kings).

>>54425701
Its kind of weird making Joan d'Arc a Brett even if they are the Frecnh when you found out in real life she had such an overwhelming fetish for cannons and her army was stacked with them.

>>54428755
I am now imagining Sigmarite priests randomly doing spot-checks every once in awhile in Sylviania to look for vampire infestation and the Von Carstiens badly hiding traces.

>>54427654
The question is for what purpose?

If you want to start something, lay out your vision and maybe some of us will input. But I think most anons here would want s major rebuild or just minor changes.

I can already see a fight over Chaos and the concepts of Everchosens.

Honestly my ideal Warhammer would just echo our world far closer.

>>54428834
>>Only shows up at the tail end of 6th in a campaign where he gets stomped

We're talking Chaos, not Archaon.
Archaon also showed up in 5e, and was present from then on wards. The concept of Archaon was much older though.

>>Gets over-promoted in 7th and 8th to compensate like a cheap pro-wrestling character who owners are trying to "build up" as the biggest badass without having to do any real work.

No fictional character can do real work.

>>54428902
>she had such an overwhelming fetish for cannons and her army was stacked with them.

And it worked pretty well for her.

>>54428749

Spaniards didn't really conquer the jungles either. They build cities on plains and coast.

New world brings new food and opportunity. Gold isn't even all that important.

>>54428834
I wouldn't lump Vlad in with Konrad. Vlad was a vampire, and had a ferocious temper - but he wasn't a lunatic.

Konrad was as mad as a bag of kittens that's been pissed on by a plaguebearer

>>54427758
Nope.

Be'lakor handwaved the Law Gods as being bullshit in a novel before ET.

But he was probably lying, because Be'lakor telling the truth came from an unreliable test and only in 40k.

>>54428902
>"What is your tactical wisdom my lady?"
>"So I found out we have these big loud boom stick things that can kill literally anything and can blow up castle walls eventually?"
>"Cannons, yes."
>"That seems like it would be a hot idea to add more?"
>"Hrmm...not very conventional..."
>".....Deus Vault?"
>"DEUSVAULTDEUSVAULTDEUSVAULTDEUSVAULT GET US MORE CANNONS!"

>>54428948
Does the realm of the gods work the same way as the warp does in 40k?

If it does then he was almost certainly lying, but it's been that long since I had a look at the fundamentals of chaos in fantasy.

>>54427759
Pinterest.

Only thing I know.

>>54428302
There is no MC to Warhammer.

Putting an MC to such a setting is a narrative failure. Like Warcraft.

>>54428464
Fuck that, Archaon and Chaos suck.

The heart of Warhammer is the greenskins.

>>54428946
I always wondered...would Marius Leitdorf and Konrad von Karstein have been buddies in an alternate timeline, becoming bros due to shared mutual insanity?

>>54425185
>That's why she or Katarina are not in game yet.
The Kislev guy mentions the Tzarina when you negotiate with him.

>>54428986
There's old warhammer shit in my parent's loft that hearkens back to when Orcs reproduced by having a sideways WAAAAAGH! between the boyz and girlz

>>54428925
The real work is where you find out if people like him without shoving him into literally everything you can manage to shove him into.
Basically, the difference between fans telling you they like a character and you deciding fans should like a character and throwing him at their faces over and over with hype until the dumbest and most easily manipulated of them actually believe it.

Rubes, basically.
>>54428946
They're the same in the sense that both were dangerous existential threats to the Empire itself rather then just "yet another Sylvania vampire problem".

>>54428985
Depends on edition.

Gods of Law were never really elaborated on, they originated in the edition where everything was Chaos but didn't know it and gods like Sigmar were like the little girl made from Clayface in Batman The Animated Series. The Gods Of Law were basically the same Chaos, and the other side of the coin of the Chaos Gods.

After that though? Every edition had a different tone. By 8e most gods turned out to be superpowered mortals disguised as entire pantheons, and the Gods of Law were just dropped via exposition plot twist.

>>54428699
According to Liber Necris and Night's Dark Masters, Nechrarchs don't drink blood but dark magic from the air, which causes their hideous appearance.

What is religion like in Norsca? Are there such things as non-fanatical Norscans? Is it possible fora Norscan to live with or work among Imperials in, say, Nordland or Marienberg etc? Or would they just be burnt at the stake?

>>54429038
>The real work is where you find out if people like him without shoving him into literally everything

Archaon wasn't shoved into anything though.

>>54429038
Archaon is Jar Jar. Only GW writers didn't have the awareness that George Lucas had to let his favorite character that fans reject drop silently into the background.

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>>54427179
>>54428302
>>54428650
>Muuuuuuh Chaos is MC and I need it to win to powerjerk

Litteraly go fuck yourself faggot, your the cancer who ruined the setting

>>54429089
So really just straight-up Liches then; crazy undead nutters obsessed with magic who keep to themselves until they see a magical thingy they want and then they go full Dark Lord on everybody.

>>54429100
I'm pretty sure that majority of norscans worship chaos kinda casualy, sure they do have an orgy or a sacrifice once in a while, but nothing too insane

>>54429100
basically worship chaos gods in one way or the other

Norscans make bank trading with marienburg.

Nordland and marienburg have norscans and norscan derived people living in them.

No, unless you start worshipping chaos. The empire is pretty good if you are a reformed norscan.

>>54427759
facebook

look for the artists
they put out nice shit from time to time, alternatively crop the art yourself from the PDFs or use the age of fugmar booru for those pieces that could be recycled or were photoshopped art from old warhammer to begin with, skaven in particular have reused assets

>>54429100
They worship the four big bads, but not under their true names - plus some other gods to boot. Shit's pretty brutal though, with the brutality increasing the further north you go.

Norscans absolutely do interact with Old Worlders though, particularly the more southern tribes. Also Skeggi is a great example.

>>54429127
There is no MC, but Chaos is and always was an integral part of the setting.

>>54429127
This.

Chaos needs to be a permanent threat, but it can't ever win, because that ruins the setting.

>>54429100
In oldest Warhammer, Norscans were a plausible race of people and not a race with a single hat labeled Chaos.

Norscans in a few places in lore are presented as largely normal people, with farming and complex pantheons that in actuality are just really incorrect versions of Chaos. Like an entire pantheon for one village being a non-asshole Slaanesh, or thinking Nurgle and Khorne are one creator god.

Norscans are basically just vikings. Their raiders are huge dicks that serve Chaos, but the rest of the folk are normal.

>>54428450
>I wonder how'd they'd work mechanically?

>they are their own AI only faction
>mostly interfere on the campaign map using heroes abilities but can occasionally come as reserves for the armies of allies

alternatively, mercenary heroes

>>54428995
Marius was the funny kind of Insane.
Konrad was the type of insane that doesn't grasp why going on psychotic rampages is a bad idea and will have consequences.

>>54429100
>What is religion like in Norsca?
They mostly worship the Chaos Gods out of practicality (it's hard for them to deny Chaos's power up there), but they AREN'T all Chaos-worshippers. They have a few native gods, including a bear-deity that's kinda like Ulric.
>Are there such things as non-fanatical Norscans?
Yep, all the time.
Not many are "gentle" folk though; it's an unpleasant place to live.
>Is it possible fora Norscan to live with or work among Imperials in, say, Nordland or Marienberg etc?
Yes, actually. Nordlanders and Marienburgers trade with Norscan traders sometimes, but since Norscans are aren't really united it's hard to judge them as a unit; you have to take each sailboat of Norscans as it's own thing. Maybe they want to raid, maybe they want to trade, who knows?
>Or would they just be burnt at the stake?
In front of a Sigmarite priest or Witch-hunter while openly proclaiming to worship Chaos? Yes.
In front of a regular group of peasants who are afraid of your burly-ass arms and fuck-off huge axe and your cultural propensity to flip the fuck out and kill everything that moves? Not so much.

>>54429038
Vlad and Konrad were very different threats though.

If Vlad won, the Empire would still exist - just all the nobles would be vampires (in some cases the place might be run better with big daddy Vladdy in charge).

Konrad however.........

>>54429187
Chaos wasn't important until RoC was released. It was a word that meant "evil" for alignment, but had no complexity and was unimportant to the setting.
Even after RoC it was merely another faction until 5e dropped and made it The Enemy rather than an enemy.

>>54429206
>Play Skaven with Thanquol as your Legendary Lord
>Instead of the random event where Skaven vanish your population you get a random event where Gotrek and Felix fuck up yet another one of your master plans without even realizing it.

>>54429127
Chaos is fine, but Archaon was a mistake.
The idea of a guy who would eventually knock everyone into order is a good one, but only as a nebulous threat that keeps everyone awake at night. One where a certain leader MIGHT be the one, but then again might get Magnused or Gotreked
The moment you add in a destined leader, he's destined to either ruin everything or job.

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>>54429237
>Konrad however.........
I want to see konrad, marius and azhag on the same battlefield goddammit

Anyone else slightly disappointed with the regiments of renown in TWW?

I died a little inside when the greenskins can't get Ruglud and his boyz

>>54429242
Chaos was present since the first edition.
Destined destroyer since at least 4e.

>>54429297
This.
I want it NOW; and I want the Evermeme to show up, only for those god dam lunatic to stop fighting and gang up on his ass because he interrupted their fight or something.

>>54429313
Regiments of renown are just reskins to sell as DLC

orcs with crossbows would need another set of animation

considering, if not the effort, the cares for having norsca developed as its own faction I wouldn't rule out them eventually selling those kinds of RoR, especially when like norsca, there're the city states of mercenaries south of the empire that would kickstart dogs of war mechanics maybe

>>54429362
>>54429297
>g-guys
>it's me, the everchosen
>pls respond
>FUCK OFF HERETIC/MORTAL/GIT, WE'RE BUSY

It baffles me how some people didn't think Chaos was the eventual winner.
No one ever actually had a plan to counter them, at best you could beat them back, but you could never actually damage them in any meaningful way.

>>54429362
Almost literally what happened during Storm of Chaos.
GW had to basically ignore multiple forces of light victories to even allow Chaos to GET to Marienburg.

>>54429538
What a memeing little faggot you are.
1. Middenheim, not Marienburg
2. Archaon was always getting there. The campaign was to determine how well he got there, and how prepared the defenders were.

>>54429535
Here's the thing; if Chaos truly and finally "wins" everyone looses, including Chaos players, because then the setting ends and nobody gets to play anymore.
It's better if it happens "eventually" or "maybe some day" or "maybe never", because then the setting can keep going.

You wanna go see what happens when Chaos won?
Well here's the thread over here anon. >>54385966
You are welcome to go there any time you want.

>>54429452
As the Everchosen of the Ruinous Powers struggled to contain his surprise and distaste for the assembled lunatics ignorance of what threat he posed to them, he felt a none too gentle shove to his shoulder.

When he turned to face his assailant, Archaon rather wished he hadn't. The massive, black armoured orc looked at him with an expression that was in that straddled the boundaries of scorn, anger and ....mirth?

What followed was a pain to his groin he had experienced once before, and did not care for the repeat sensation - even if the Prince of Excess might care to disagree.

Grimgor Ironhide felt a degree of satisfaction. Stupid 'umie git, interrupting a fight with words. Time to get stuck in,

>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

>>54429345
Chaos didn't exist, an alignment called Chaos for evil humans did. Which they shared with Orcs and undead.

There was no Daemons, Chaos Gods, or servants of Chaos.

>>54429592
We all know that Chaos won in canon.
I'm talking about how people could be and still are so wilfully ignorant, imaging that somehow Chaos was not the inevitable victor.

>>54429592
Ugh, this.
Seriously, arguing FOR Archaeon actively winning rather then just kind of being "around" is like actively saying that since we all die eventually we might as well just get it over with and blow ourselves away.
I'm fine with the Everchosen being the Chaos equivalent of Nagash; the big important burly evil guy who sits around on his ass in his evil fortress of Fuckoffovia and does nothing.

>>54429535
Generally speaking nobody would react well if the Entropic Heat Death ocurred in their favorite setting, even if it is eventual, because its a stupid fucking ending.

>>54427805
The one that kept Dark Elf dudes from being sorcerers because Malekith was worried he'd get killed.

>And lo, he shall rule with a dark hand and his shadow shall touch upon every land. Steel will be his skin and fire will be his blood, in hatred will he conquer all before him. No blade forged of Man, Dwarf or Elf shall endure him fear. Though will it come to pass that the firstborn son of noble blood shall rise to power. The child will be learned in the darkest arts and he will raise an army of terrible beasts. Thus will the Dark King fall, slain by neither blade nor arrow but by a sorcerous power of darkest magic and so shall his body be consumed in the flames and for all eternity burn.

>>54429587
>Archaon was always getting there. The campaign was to determine how well he got there, and how prepared the defenders were.

[Citation Needed]

>>54429641
Because we would like to still play the setting and because some of us are clearly taking it a lot less seriously then others.
Like, who even the fuck cares if Chaos "eventually" wins?

I can still beat my friend's Chaos army on the tabletop every now and then, and that's all I care about anyway.

>>54429632
Chaos did exist, and there were demons.
Realm of Chaos was even supposed to come out in first edition.

>>54429641
>somehow Chaos was not the inevitable victor.
But carnac, the storywriter themselves defined chaos as indefinitely delayable

surviving the predator is the prey's victory, not killing it

>>54429681
Shills say that since Teclis sort of ended the world that it counts, even if it really was a dropped plot.

>>54429681
Archaon.

>>54429706
>Realm of Chaos was even supposed to come out in first edition.
[Citation Needed]

I've read every interview with the old guard, this was never a thing. It was something Ansell came up with in the tail end of 3e because he'd just finished Elric and was on a huge Chaos/Order/inevitability kick.

>>54429720
Teclis is the secondborn son.

>>54429674
>because its a stupid fucking ending.

What other ending would you want?
It was the only ending faithful to the setting.

>>54429705
>Because we would like to still play the setting

Nothing's stopping you.

>>54429763
kind of a shame really.
Wish mom would have pushed him out of the twat first

>>54429749
>[Citation Needed]

First edition, Forces of Fantasy. The book says that full Chaos rules will come in the Realm of Chaos supplement.
Realm of Chaos went throughdevelopment issues, but was eventually released, split into two books.

>>54429767
>this guy

>>54429767
No ending at all.

Nobody wanted to see it end, and ending a setting is fucking stupid in the first place which is why nobody does it outside of literature.

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>>54428829
>when Mallobaude is so shit he doesn't even get to lead his own faction and instead they slap the Red Duke in there even though canonically he has nothing to do with Mousilion

Poetry

>>54429767
>It was the only ending faithful to the setting.
Faithful to Moorcock you mean.
Actually, change "faithful" to "directly ripping off", that's a much more accurate analogy.
>Nothing's stopping you.
You are correct Sir.
What's stopping you then?

>>54429810
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>54429817
>No ending at all.

Tough. They were ending the setting.
They picked the most faithful ending they could.

>>54429824
>Faithful to Moorcock you mean.

In what way was it faithful to Moorcock?

>What's stopping you then?

Stopping me from what?

>>54429587
Stop it Carnac, it's getting cringy.

>>54428496
-Research magic.
-Research history.
-Brood on past glories.
-Fuck mortals, eat mortals, possibly both.
-Obsessively collect things like art and wine, possibly collect the creator as well.
-Joust or duel other wizards.
-Murder each other.
-Sleep in a depressive fugue.
-Hunt beasts.
-Hunt ghouls.
-Hunt humans.
-Raise armies and make them do the thriller dance.
-Go to war out of sheer boredom.

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>Chaos shit again

No, we are NOT fucking doing this again.

No more posts about Chaos or replies to Carnac, Slav, OR shills until we finally decide once and for all on pic related.

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>>54429842

>>54429865
>They picked the most faithful ending they could.
wrong, the most faithful would have been archaon killing himself at the end of it, to end it all, actually ending it, no age of sigmar bullshit.

>inb4 you're not the one to dictate what's the most faithful ending

>>54428653
>How canon is them building vineyards in the Total war? Maybe they just pretend to be regular nobles

There's an adventure in WFRP 2e's wizard splat concerning a wine festival in Averland. One of the entrants in the contest is a Sylvanian vintage of wine.

Vampires still have human hobbies - even more so in some cases, since they have greater-than-human lifespans to enjoy them to a truly disturbing degree.

>>54429909
One answer.
WAAAAAAGHH
Also for the love of fuck listen to this guy and stop giving that literal autist replies.

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>>54429865
>"Hey, I'm gonna go full-retard and do something stupid that any moron would know not to do."
>"I'm proud of them for doing it right."

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>>54428829
BEGONE

THOT

>>54429959
>wrong, the most faithful would have been archaon killing himself at the end of it, to end it all, actually ending it, no age of sigmar bullshit.

If your not into Age of Sigmar then Archaon is just swallowed by the void and that's his end.

>>54429865
>In what way was it faithful to Moorcock?
A setting ending due to the inevitable sweep of the forces of Chaos slowly unmaking all is almost literally the ending of the Elric saga.
>Stopping me from what?
From dealing with the fact that some people both disagree with and don't care what you think?
I mean you've already stated your opinion, and the general consensus seems to be "fuck off, we don't care".
There's even an entire thread you can go to where Chaos won, yet for some reason you are on here where you convince nobody and everyone thinks you're annoying, like a less extreme example of a guy who would insert /mlp/ stuff into absolutely everything before their board was created.

>>54428948
>trusting a daemon
>EVER
>trusting a daemon who is such a deceitful cunt the four themselves fucked him up for it once

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>>54429909
MORK

>>54429909
>proppa orky geezer vs runty Gobbo git
ONLY ONE ANSWER

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>>54429948
Post something actually fucking legible, you ant fuck.

>>54430029
>orky
FUCKING AUTOCORRECT WAAAAAAGH

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>>54430027
WU DI U SAY U FURKING TWART ?

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>>54429909
MORK, BUT ONLY CUZ E'Z BRUTALLY CUNNIN.

INB4 SUM GIT SEZ DATS GORK, DEY RETCONNED DAT IN FOURTH EDITION

>>54429100
>What is religion like in Norsca?

Norscans worship a variety of gods, many of which are the Four under different names. They may worship several gods that are all really a part of the same Ruinous Power. Norscans see this as natural; the gods are a living and active force in their world and must be placated. Most see mutations as a sign of their gods' favor. Interestingly, ancestor worship is also practiced, and they DO follow some southron gods, albeit usually under more savage and primal doctrines.

>Are there such things as non-fanatical Norscans?

Yes, but most aren't braggarts about it, because the gods like to punish defiant men. Most Norscans have mortal concerns chief in mind. Getting gold, fucking women, acquiring land, moving up in rank, raising children.

>Is it possible fora Norscan to live with or work among Imperials in, say, Nordland or Marienberg etc? Or would they just be burnt at the stake?

Yes. WFRP 2e even quips that Norscans are "fashionable" as household members among nobles in some places, like Marienburg. However, a Norscan or Norscan-spawn can expect to face distrust, prejudice, and the occasional murder attempt anyway.

>>54430007
>A setting ending due to the inevitable sweep of the forces of Chaos slowly unmaking all is almost literally the ending of the Elric saga.

Nope. In Elric Chaos is never supposed to win. Chaos and Law are kept in check by a force known as the balance.

>From dealing with the fact that some people both disagree

There's nothing to disagree about, you nigga just won't read the fluff then get butthurt about it.

>>54430033
How can't you read that you disabled fuck?

>>54429294
Agreed. Plus, it's much more fun to have multiple major Chaos lords scheming, with shifting loyalties and priorities. It's part of why the skaven or druchii or even the vampires are way more fun.

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>>54430083
YE 'ERD ME, OI SAID MORK, YOU ANTI-SQUIG GIT

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>>54430027
GORK

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>>54429909
Its Gork, he provides a higher bonus.

>SHADDUP HAT! GORK IZ DA BEST, BUT ONLY BECAUSE HE'S DA BEST AND NOT CAUSE NUMBERZ.

>>54430208
>>54430189
>>54430027
Where are these from?

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>Age of Dead Game lapped AGAIN

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>>54430240
An artist on Tumblr.

>>54430287
link to said artist?