Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

inb4 prancing la-la homo men ruin this general too

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*blacks your path*

What do you do?

First for idiots that thought that index was everything 8th had to offer

Codex time son.

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>>54409872
I shoot to kill.

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Are Khorne berzerkers in Chaos Rhinos worth their points ?

Can NPCs get any more buttblasted than they did in the previous thread?

If I play Death Guard, will I look like a bandwagon hopping faggot?

Remember that GW confirmed that taking 11 Rubrics allows you to take two Soulreaper cannons.

>>54409872
Waturmelon

>>54409903
Yes. Don't buy the models you want because of it.

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10th for Oldcrons BEstcrons

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now chapter tactics are back for loyalists, what you guys think each of the traitor legions rules will be. night lords, emperors children etc...

guessing NL will be something like -1 leadership

>>54409903
By the time the other three powers get their bandwagons announced you will look the least bandwagoney

>>54409903

Not really, because a lot of people have DG models just because they're packaged with Primaris. You might look kinda like a bandwagoner if you make them obviously your main army, but DG aren't so powerful they're worth bandwagoning, and after a few months, no one will notice. Magnus, Guilliman, and Primaris are way bigger recent bandwagons.

9th for even hitting on 5+ a D6 shots, S14, AP-3, D6 (1 and 2 count as 3) is a thing of beauty.

>>54409872
Hit him with some WAAAGH! Energy!

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Is it worth sinking 713 points into having 5 TH/SS terminators and a terminator Chaplain rolling around in a Land Raider Crusader?
That seems like a lot of points to have tied up in what is basically a single unit and it's transport

>>54409940

-1 Ld seems weak as fuck. Maybe -2 Ld or -1 Ld and they can never re-roll Ld, or -1 Ld and you can make them re-roll successful checks.

>>54409940
-1 leadership when outnumbering the opponent on turns where night fighting is in effect.

>>54409872
Befriend him. He's probably super nice.

>>54409903
>>54409945

Seriously, I'm amazed at how few DG players there are despite how hard GW are pushing them right now.

I suppose people don't wanna be the disgusting dudes.

>>54409961
or 1,2 and maybe even 3`s have to be rerolled

>>54409958
You're better off playing Deathwing if you want to try something like that.

>>54409958

It's only a slightly higher % of your total army than it would have been in 5E-7E, had you played the proper point level of 1500.

>>54409940
>>54409961
I could see something like -1 LD for each nightlords unit within X distance. I imagine the Legion Tactics will be a bit stronger too, given that not every legion has a special character, and Chaos overall has less characters.

>>54409961
>-1 Ld
>Icon of Despair reduces Ld by 1
>Death Guard would literally be able to have their bonus plus the Night Lords

SM: July 29th
CSM+GK: August 19th
DG: September 23rd

>>54409958

Not everything has to be done purely because its gonna win back its points in math hammer, anon. Sometimes its ok to just field things you like.

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>>54409898
>shoot to kill.
>kill
>Vulkan

>>54410003
They should have made ATSKNF prevent leadership lowering. That would fit the name

>>54410016
source ?

>>54409958
It certainly is in a full terminator army

>>54410030
His crusty asshole

>>54410003
>raptors give another -1
>what happens when your leadetship hits 0?
>what happens when your leadership hits the negatives?

>>54409958

I would actually deep strike those terminators and send the LRC somewhere else.

>>54409903
Well you would look like some 80's gay stereotype.

>>54409961
Could be roll 2d6 and discard the highest when taking Morale checks.

Should I start a new army or a new space marine chapter after I finish up my current company?

Ive got 5k of Tyranids, already too.
Theyd be a Raven Guard successor, but I cant decide between Primaris or non Primaris.

>>54410057
>>what happens when your leadership hits the negatives?

Battle Shock respawns your guys.

>>54410068
>Discard the lowest*** not highest

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Hey ya gitz! I've done some bits of writefagging over the years and want to make a full log for the FoK campaign, so I figured a short bit from an earlier battle may be a good way of getting back into the swing of it. I think it's a little erratic, but I made it from the POV of a single soldier so it's partly intentional. Comments, concerns, and tips are appreciated. Thanks!

Ryn'va awoke caked in drying blood, slowly surveying the hellscacpe around him. As he came to his senses, memory slowly returned to him, and he began to replay the previous evening. He first thought of this when they first burst into his lines, a horde of armored figured springing out of the ruins before them. He remembered opening fire, sending a coordinated volley of pulse fire into them, yet the shots missed their marks, always hitting exactly where the creatures had just been as they neared his lines, the strange soldiers unleashed their weapons, firing a mass of micro-projectiles that seemed to adjust midair to tear into the weaknesses of their armor.

As the Fire warriors before him prepared to return fire, a blue haze tore from the ruins as more enemies opened fire. These weapons were far cruder than the others, blue bolts radiating with energy that left a sickening aura wherever they were fired. Yet more horrifying than the contaminating laser fire was its accuracy, passing within inches of the heads of his enemies, but always hitting home against the bodies of his brothers. The casualties were enormous, he feared, and a sustained assault like this would quickly rout his forces.

Yet just as all was lost, his commander tore down from the skies, his fusion weapons incinerating two of the unnatural warriors mid-charge. The rest barely took notice, and as they continued to barrel forwards he finally got a good look at them.

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I want to make an all dreadnought chapter(Alpha Legion successor) what are some good names?

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>>54409947
So that's what, a stronger (which doesn't help much at that level), less AP and same damage Neutron Laser that will statistically score slightly less hits? Muhahaha, they may have gutted our fun and most of our strength but we can still AT with the best of them.

>>54410028
>they should make morale completely irrelevant to 3/4 of factions and have useless mechanics like the Fear USR from 6th/7th again

yeah what a genius idea. I loved it when there were pointless rules everywhere.

>>54410089
Alpharius is a great name for a dreadnought.

>>54410057
>Be'lakor gives another -1
>quite possible to get -4 to Ld.

Whats a good loadout for DKK grenadiers in 8e? I'm looking at a unit of 2 flamers, one heavy flamer as a close combat style rush. But I also have this:

Death Korps Grenadiers: hotshot laspistol/power sword, 2 melta guns, 7 hotshot lasguns
Field officer: plasma pistol/power sword
Death Korps Storm Chimera: autocannon turret, heavy flamer

I'm just not that used to grenadiers get. I liked deepstriking scions and rushing up with Taurus vehicles, but I need some guidance on their proper uses.

>>54410118
>Interrogator Chaplains are -1 too
>-5 LD

>>54410112
>>they should make morale completely irrelevant to 3/4 of factions

It would make morale MORE relevant to MEQ than it currently is, moron.

>>54410089
Alpharius, Alpharius, Alpharius, Alpharius, Armillus Dynat and Alpharius are all pretty good names.

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>>54410088
P2
They were vaguely humanoid in design, but unlike warriors of the human empire the beings didn't coat themselves in heavy armor and overworked gothic patterns. Instead, a writhing mass of tendrils and flesh lay confined within minimalist armor, allowing for unhindered speed in combat.

In shock, he watched as the monsters crashed into his Commander, the sheer force of numbers pushing him to the ground as their terrifying bladed arms tore him to bits, his battlesuit a bloody pile of smoldering ruins in just seconds. They then turned, the enemy redoubling their fire on his position as the creatures burst forward once more in a lethal sprint. As they neared, his vision hazed, a metallic taste on his tongue- by some arcane force, the creatures had clouded the world around his soldiers, everything a muddled blur of death and flame.

It was then the creatures finally reached his line. He remembered little of what happened next, between the sense-killing haze and his personal terror, only fragments of the battle could be made out. He saw a long knife gutting his Shas'ui, more strange creatures crawling towards him, and finally felt a heavy impact on his chest. As he fell to the ground, he saw the vague outline of one of them approaching him, and as the creature plunged a searing blade into him, he finally felt darkness.

>>54410134
my god you're right. let's bring back Soul Blaze from 6th/7th too. exactly as it was.

What do people think BA will get?

>>54410149
So long as Warpflame doesn't come back.

>>54409899
berzerkers are really good yes, one of the best units in the index.

>>54409986
>try something like that
Isn't that a fairly standard strategy for Marines?

>>54409988
Why is 1500 the proper point and not 2000? 47.5% of your army being a single melee only squad and it's transport seems even worse than 35.65% of a 2000 point army.

>>54410017
>>54410059
Well, I mostly just want to have my Assault Terminators, but my friend says relying on teleport strike is just asking for a beating, and putting them in a landraider is really the best way to do it, since for a charge to be successful you'd need to roll a 9 or above from the deepstrike, and the only ranged firepower the squad would have would be the storm bolter from the Chaplain (and I was also thinking about giving them a Librarian as well, so his storm-bolter too, and Smite), and if they don't get that charge, they have to waddle after the enemy at a piddly 5" per turn.

>>54410044
I actually mostly wanted to run a Dreadnought army, but my Venerable Chaplain Dreadnought, two Ironclads and lascannon/auto-cannon Venerable already take up 801 points.

It a 2000 point army that only leaves me with 486 points left to finish it out, and I can't even fit those two at the same time in 1500 point army.

>>54410162
Some gay Twilight shit I suppose.

What's a good general purpose heavy support for CSM?

Fiends and defilers seem solid for the points but have pretty bad accuracy.

Should I just grab a predator if I don't need a transport?

>>54409971
But only on a 4+

>>54410149
Counters are too clunky, just make Soul Blaze remove models from the table as soon as it hits.

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>>54409872
Scoff at his inferior craftsmanship.

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>>54410144
And lastly P3. My main intent was to capture the feel of the enemy forces, if I did that somewhat decently I can die happy

As he finished recounting what had happened, he surveyed the desolate scape around him. His brothers slaughtered to a man, blood soaked carnage piled high and left without though, and all their equipment destroyed or taken. As he attempted to stand he fell back to the earth, wincing at the burning pain in his side. The wound from the creature was deep and painful, a sickening pulse still emanating from the cut. As he slowly shuffled back toward camp- if there was even a camp left, that is- he pondered what fresh hell the empire had encountered.

He couldn't understand it- not on the field. His people, the T'au Empire, were prepared to fight warriors- proud and individual beings that thought, decided, and acted of their own volition. No matter how swift or foolish, the enemy could be broken down into individual pieces- men would flee from terror, stay back in hope of survival, or change the plan as they saw fit. Their autonomy- no, their emotion- was always their downfall.

But out there- whatever was out their- was not autonomous. It did not even process as the swarm creatures were whispered to, changing motion with the tide of battle, but rather followed a plan as if dictated to them even as the battle raged on. It was similar to the mindless movement of their drone servants, yet far swifter and more adept, never truly reacting to his people's forces but rather moving as if everything they did- down to which of their soldiers would fall when- was already determined and accounted for.

It could not be real, this enemy. It bore the flesh of the living, but he knew the truth. They were not men. They were all of them machines.

>>54410171
Yeah but that strategy would be marginally cheaper as well as way more efficient with Deathwing Knights over TH/SS termies and Belial over a Chaplain.

>>54410162
Squatted.

>>54410171
>Why is 1500 the proper point and not 2000? 47.5% of your army being a single melee only squad and it's transport seems even worse than 35.65% of a 2000 point army.

You were supposed to play 7E at 1500, not 1850. 8E 2000 is the same as 7E 1500. That squad takes almost the same percent of your army in 8E 2000 as it does in 7E 1500, and that's not even counting the doubled wounds.

>>54410186
Literally who?

Patrol Detachment:
Archon - Blast pistol, Agoniser

9x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster
10x Kabalite Warriors - Splinter Cannon, Blaster
10x Kabalite Warriors - Splinter Cannon, Blaster

3x Raiders - Dark Lances
5x Scourges - 3x Dark Lances
Razorwing Jetfighter - 2x Disintegrators, Razorwing missiles

996pts

I like Kabalites and Raiders so I tried putting together a starting list. I should really find some points to cut, or go up to 1250pts, to get a 2nd HQ to run a Battalion detachment, right? Which HQ do I add? Just another Archon and have both of them in the same Raider so I don't have to drop Splinter Cannons from the 10 man squads? Also, is it too dickish to run a flyer at 1k points?

>>54410180
After the first round of combat

>>54410189
I can't really see what they are. Descriptions are good, but the first part sounds like an Admech assault, the second Chaos and the third more Mech. DarkMech, maybe? Not sure what's going on with the "writhing mass of tendrils and flesh". Still, cool as hell. Rite Moar.

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R8 this crusade anons!

>HQ
Chaplain Dread [Lascannon, Power Fist]
Emperor's Champion

>Troops
Crusader Squad [9 Initiates, Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Sword bro with Thunder Hammer] Drop Pod
Crusader Squad [9 Initiates, Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Sword bro with Thunder Hammer] Drop Pod

Crusader Squad [9 Initiates, Power Axe, Plasma Gun, Sword bro with Power Sword & Plasma Pistol] Drop Pod

>Elites

Venerable Dread [Lascannon, Power Fist]

Ironclad Dread [Hurricane Bolters, Chainfist, Frag launchers]

Dreadnought [Plasma Cannon, Power Fist]

Tartaros Squad [5 Terminators, 4x Pair of Lighting Claws, Reaper Autocannon & Power Fist]

>>54410164
>>54410182
maybe you have outshitposted me, but did you even play 8th. my entire point was that making marines (and half the other factions) immune to morale is a terrible idea, as displayed in 6th/7th. marines being mentally impervious is a shitty meme anyway, muh psycho conditioning folded over a thousand times doesn't stop them from being teenage girls in power armor who made imperial space the shitfest it is today by going traitor.

and soul blaze was just as useless as fear but for different reasons.

>>54410186
You were always ahead of your fellow Primarchs in arts and crafts.

>>54410186
Shut up, Brain-ghost Ferrus!

>>54410241
>writhing mass of tendrils and flesh
going to assume that still means AdMech, because mech-dendrites.

>>54410268
>did you even play 8th

play before 8th

>>54410171
you dont deepstrike them behind enemy lines. you deepstrike them where the enemy wants to go

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All the main 8th ed epubs/pdfs, but the pdfs have been significantly improved, including:

Page numbers fixed
Bookmarks greatly improved
Errata commented in
Lack of searchable text in some PDFs fixed (to some extent)

Enjoy

>>54409958

If its sallies you're playing why not a Redeemer? You'd be the fluffiest fucker going, everyone would stroke you

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>>54409872
I post a battle report to redeem the thread.
Thousand Sons vs Necrons. My opponent was 100% color-blind which is why his models were unpainted.

>>54410288
Sicarians? Not a huge amount of visible flesh there, but everything else fits.

Still, it reads nicely and I'd really dig a novella like that. It's kinda rare that people get the feel of the Admech down properly, they should be eerie as hell to fight, not just guys in tin suits.

>>54410290
You don't know the pain of useless rolls until every single of your units applied both Soul Blaze and Warpflame. And all your units had Fear (not that it mattered vs. Marines)

>>54410256
How do you find BT in 8th? is the EC good? i only ever owned him, but i might get Grimaldus maybe.

cool having one of each Dread though never seen that.

>>54410288
>>54410241
I was afraid it would be too obscure. My idea is it's the Admech in all it's terror/glory, careless with life but insanely deadly. The shock factor of this overwhelming assault (the guys charging are meant to be Sicarians, all the haziness is the neurostatic aura) and all the hyper-advanced tech leaves even the soldier unsure of what exactly he saw, as even the Tau would have trouble understanding the seemingly arcane powers of the Admech.

>>54410193
Is it just me or are dw knights definitely undercosted?

Hey what do you guys think of this as a part of a SM army:

>Captain with relic blade
>Chapter champion with power sword
>Company Ancient
>2 Honor Guard with power axes
>5 Company veterans, 2 storm shield and power swords, 2 meltaguns, and a sergeant with combi-melta

I'm thinking about putting them all in a drop pod too

is this a bad idea to have as part of my army?

>>54409940
>WE: 3d6" charge
>DG: -1 To Hit if shoot at from more than 12" away
>EC: Always attack first
>TS: Wounding rolls of 6 when shooting give additional mortal wound

>>54410016
>Look Mommy, I posted it again!

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From heresy to HERESY where would you rank Primaris with this scheme color

>>54410383
>TS: Wounding rolls of 6 when shooting give additional mortal wound
>army of tzaangors armed with autopistols surround Guilliman
>a hail of bullets later, Guilliman is left in a crumpled heap.

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painted my first model in 4 years how did I do lads, pleas give pointers

>>54410268
30k marines didn't have ATSKNF

Checkmate heretic scum

>>54410418
>Primaris with this scheme color
Aren't those just CSM?

>>54410193
I'm mostly going for Salamanders I think, and I just happen to have terminators already with the special ForgeWorld shoulder pads they make, as well as I just like the Fire Drake models and would like to buy some eventually, when I get better at painting.

>>54410208
>doubled wounds
Did Terminators seriously used to have only one wound?
I never played 40k before 8e.

>>54410300
So kind of like blocking corridors in the terrain, or a path to a shooty unit they want to kill, suddenly putting a wall of guys with 2+/3++ saves and 2 wounds in front of them, and that kind of thing? I can dig it.

>>54410315
The Redeemer is like 60 points more expensive, and I'd rather have two Hurricane bolters dealing 12 shots at maximum range, or 24 shots at half range, than being limited to a piddly little 8" range and having to gamble on dice roll for the number of hits from the Flamestorm cannons.

I mean a Crusader does already have a multi-melta on it.

>remove templates
>keep line
Why?

>>54410378
wll they're dead hard and dead killy, buuut move 5" and no guns

Doesn't seem undercosted compared to other stuff in the index but I've not actually seen how they perform on the table.

>>54410373
OK, it REALLY works at that, but if you just put a quick flash of something recognizable in somewhere, just noting a detail about the aesthetic some. The rather good Flechette blaster hit nearly did it, but the talk of tendrils and strange bolts of energy made me thing Tzeench for a second. Please do more of this, though, they're almost exactly how I like to see the faction at war.

>>54410418
Those are primarines in that picture aren't they ? I don't think anybody can object if there is already artwork of it.

>>54410383
>>WE: 3d6" charge, drop the lowest
>>DG: -1 To Hit if shoot at from more than 18" away
>>EC: interrupting combat costs 1 CP instead of 2
>>TS: Wounding rolls of 6 when shooting give additional mortal wound per squad

>>54410327
Really glad you liked it. In game my opponent dropped like three squads of Sicarians right on my front line and then tore into everything with vanguard/phrons, so I was hoping to capture that sense of 'ohshitwerefucked' the Tau so rarely get

I totally get what you mean too, I hate the fact everything with the Admech makes them lolrandumb and incompetent rather than the full arsenal of mankind pumped on grimdark steroids and then sent out to collect whatever they can find.

I've always imagined an attack by them would be one of the scariest and well-coordinated things you could fall into.

>>54410453
Alpha Legion marines are just big, Alpharius was the same height as his men.

>>54410447
because a line is actually needed to play the game

>>54410418
£5 that books contains at least one "female mental domination"

>>54410438
Yes, but painting Primaris as totally not AL

>>54409958
>Unironically paying as much as a Falchion or a Cerastus + 100 conscript to deliver 5 2W dude rhat will get btfo by mortal wounds and a hq

>>54410383
Jesus, what.
please never write rules, and i say that as a chaos player

>>54410471
I think the means things like Gaze of the Emperor.

>>54410460
>WE: 3d6" charge, drop the lowest
>DG: -1 To Hit if shoot at from more than 18" away
>EC: interrupting combat costs 1 CP instead of 2
>TS: +1 to all psychic tests

>>54410171

>but my friend says relying on teleport strike is just asking for a beating

it is, but target saturation can be your friend. Deep striking 2+ units of them, while expensive, will send most opponents into panic mode since if he doesn't wipe them or lock them in combat something of his is getting deleted next turn. Combine that with other melee/close ranged units pushing up the board, and a well timed deep strike will mean that your opponent has to now fire in all directions against targets that not all of his guns will be able to reach.

Land speeders and bikers aren't really the salamanders thing, but a double heavy flamer razor back carry a squad of company vets with a mix of melee/ranged weapons or sternguard with double heavy flamers + a mix of combi flamers/meltas to fuck anything up when it gets close.

Combine with a couple conversion beam tech marines/rifleman dreads/stompy yolo rush dreads and you've got a list right there

>>54410452
Will do! I need to iron out the mystery element, I want it to really feel like they have no idea who they're fighting and thus get that sense of desperation and shock to the reader just as much the soldiers.

I think allusion to the mechanicus symbol would be a good idea

>>54410493
>>TS: +1 to all psychic tests when casting Smite

>>54410492
one of those 2d6" line spells? that's what i thought he meant

>>54410493
>DG: -1 To Hit if shoot at from more than 18" away
Wtf ? isnt even fluffy

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>>54410428

>>54410509
>DG: -1 to hit when shooting within 6"

>>54410493
I think the EC one ought to be better; especially given that their shtick are the sonic weapons, which are ranged.

>>54410509
>>DG: -1 To Hit if shoot at from more than 14" away

SUPER FLUFFY NOW

>>54410526
Just give me the IH tactic

>>54410509
They had similar rule in 7th, where they get Shrouded if enemy was far away.

Disease clouds and stuff.

>>54410171
Will 5 terminators and a character even fit in a landraider. Anyway termies are weak, especially vanilla terminators. Use Stormravens as transports and use LR Achilles as heavy tanks.

>>54410451
Well compare them to the cost of THSS sm.. I get 250 vs 280. A deathwing team of thss instead goes for 255

>>54410530
>ignore wounds on a 6+ while in cover

>>54410428
This isn't the wip thread, but that battle
damage is really good, a little heavy on the arm though.

Also, is that a Lamenter?

>>54410543
>Will 5 terminators and a character even fit in a landraider.
In a LRC yes
>Anyway termies are weak, especially vanilla terminators
no they aren't.

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(posting now with unrelated image so I dont get lost like tears in the steel rain)
Hey what do you guys think of this as a part of a SM army:

>Captain with relic blade
>Chapter champion with power sword
>Company Ancient
>2 Honor Guard with power axes
>5 Company veterans, 2 storm shield and power swords, 2 meltaguns, and a sergeant with combi-melta

I'm thinking about putting them all in a drop pod too

is this a bad idea to have as part of my army?

>>54410509
>>54410526
>>54410539
Isn't that just the Miasma of Pestilence psychic power from the DG discipline? Shouldn't the CT and their psychic powers be different things? Or do you think they're lose the MoP power to move its buff onto the CT?

>>54409899
Better in Kharybdis assault klaws, fill it with 15 berzerkers and some characters for brutal murder and then the klaw flies around shooting and murdering people.

>>54410555
sorry just got back into the hobby and thought to check 40kg didn't know there was another thread, first try at doing battle damage so I wasn't sure how it would go but it went a lot easier than I thought.
Yeah he's a Lamenter, RIP

>>54410565
more flavorful than terminators that's for sure

>>54410571
I'm just shitposting by making fan legion tactics worse. We don't know what Geedubya will do so speculating will only disappoint us if we over-estimate.

>>54410493
>>54410460
>>EC: interrupting combat costs 1 CP instead of 2
wtf does that even mean

>>54410508
Kind of pointsless to remove templates while leaving something similar if not worst

>>54410571
Honestly I don't think the cult legions are getting chapter tactics, at least not the ones with new models, that is to say Death Guard and Thousand Sons.
I mean Thousand Sons basically didn't have any in 7th when they already had proper models.

World Eaters and Emperor's Children might get something until they get full releases.

>>54410600
That you should lurk more.

>>54410589
>the first company's out for a stroll
>shit! xenos!
>wish i had brought my terminator armour

>>54410600
That you need to bring less Child Porn to game nights.

>>54410615
They have [Legion] keyword, anon.

>>54410629
"But they said to bring cheese pizza"

>>54410629
i know what CP is but wtf is interrupting combat? never heard of someone using w/e that is

>>54410610
it's nowhere near similar

>>54410565
>>54410589
>>54410623
>tfw my other alternative is using my 2 squads of termies, termie captain (carab culln), and a termie librarian

>>54410662
you're probably not an ultramarine player but the ultramarine honor guard models are some of the best i know. has always made me want to play something similar

>>54410652
Theres a stretegim you can use for 2 command points to interupt and fight any combat after the first one is resolved.

>>54410171
>my friend says relying on teleport strike is just asking for a beating,
Who you gonna believe, your friend or some strangers on the internet?

>>54410499
Are flamers really that good this edition?
Relying solely on RNG to determine number of hits, and only having an 8" range limits their appeal for me, like I said about the Redeemer here >>54410439 I feel like a dual assault cannon on a Razorback would be a lot more worth my while than a heavy flamer one, fluff aside. Since a double assault cannon does a standard 12 hits at strength 6, AP -1, damage 1, from two feet away, while a double heavy flamer only does 2d6 hits at 1 less strength, limited to 8 inches.

I feel like loading up on melta might be better than loading up on flamers, but rushing a 5 man Sternguard unit down the middle of the board with Vulkan He'stan leading them sounds really fun.

>Combine with a couple conversion beam tech marines/rifleman dreads/stompy yolo rush dreads and you've got a list right there
I'm already planning on having at least one twin-lascannon/twin-auto-cannon Venerable dreadnought hanging back 48" from the action raining death on people, and maybe a Thunderfire Cannon too, and maybe some more techmarines.
In addition to those guys, I have a Venerable Chaplain Dreadnought and two Ironclads I want to heretic-smash-shuffle along the board as well.

>>54410543
A land raider crusader will fit 16 models, so that's 8 models in terminator armor, so I could definetly have 5 terminators, a terminator chaplain, and even a terminator Librarian if I wanted to.

If I went with a redeemer I'd have to drop the Librarian though.

is trplehelix the best eu retailer?

so a couple friends are interested in playing 40k now that 8th is out, and i'm writing a few 500 point lists, so we can all play. I'm trying to keep it even power level wise, but my ork and nid lists are kinda spammy, while my ultra list is 2 tactical squads, 2 missile lauchers, 1 flamer, a captain and a libby list makes me feel kind of light on the ground.

to compare, i've got a nid prime, a trio of warriors, all with talons, 30 hormagaunts, 21 termigaunts, and 2 lictors for the nids, and orks are rocking a weirdboy, a warboss (both vanilla, no gear of any kind) a 30 man shoota mob, 2 10 man choppa mobs, and a vanilla kan. Unless my admittedly shitty freehand list building method is off.

Oh /tg/, what do i do?

>>54410638
Okay fair enough, well then I'm very much hoping it's something to boost psy powers, seeing as all the units that would typically benefit from chapter tactics contain or are psykers with the sole exception of the helbrute.

And hell if we're really lucky they'll finally give us Sorcerer Dreadnoughts.

>>54410719
>a 30 man shoota mob, 2 10 man choppa mobs, and a vanilla kan

I'd personally swap those
A 30ork Choppa and 2 10ork Shootas

But overall my suggestion:
Look at the Start Collecting boxes and build the lists from those.

>>54410677
red scorpion player, but yea I always loved those fucking honor guard and even papa smurf too

maybe someday I should run an ultras first company list

So why is the land raider listed as temporarily unavailable while crusader and redeemer as sold out online???

What do we wanna guess the undivided legions are gonna get?

Black Legion: Something with deepstrike, rerolls vs imperium?
Iron Warriors: What the IF get? IF tactics are weird, they seem a lot more fitting for siege breakers than defenders
Night Lords: -Leadership, reroll successful tests?
Alpha Legion: ?????
Word Bearers: +Leadership, maybe a boon-table-esque roll?

>>54410681
ok so that EC legion rule that guy thought up is complete garbage then, glad we cleared that up

I'm planning to build a gk army, consisting on termie/paladins spam with support dreadnoughts/dreadknights. Will I be fine without Land raiders / stormravens?

>>54410719
For me high bodycount lists have always dominated low point costs.

>>54410783
I'm hoping for better summoning for Word Bearers, 4D6 on Daemonic Ritual, just to make bringing in those big blobs and the greater demons an easier proposition.

>>54410808
You might want some PAGKs in Transports to let more of those TDAGKs Deep Strike

>>54410813
Seems kind of lame, desu, given that you could literally just pay points for the demons and not have to Ritual them at all.

>>54410813
>tfw marines can summon even better than your own dudes

>>54410832
Ritual gets them within 9 inches of the enemy though, surprise daemonettes in a 20 blob with 2 attacks a piece makes would make a difference.

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>>54410711
Here's a question I have about a Salamander Army.

So Vulkan has Rites of Battle, which lets you reroll to hit of 1 within 6 inches of him, and Forgefather which lets you reroll failed wound and hit rolls for units using flame or melta within 6" of him, and then Salamanders Chapter Tactics that lets you reroll a single hit and a single wound roll per unit.

So say you're trying to fire a melta-gun by Vulkan, can you roll a 1, reroll as per Rites of Battle, fail to hit a second time, reroll as per Forgefather, fail to hit a third time, reroll as per Chapter Tactics: Salamanders, and hit that time, then fail to wound, but then reroll as per Forgefather, then fail to wound a second time, but then reroll as per Chapter Tactics: Salamanders?

So basically you'd have be to trying to miss if you were standing next to Vulkan and shooting a melta or flamer?

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>no rules for pic related in the index
THANKS GW YOU FAT FUCKING JEWS

>>54410832
>pay points for the demons and not have to Ritual them at all.
You pay regardless, but the luxury of DR is it helps your T3 5++ blobs move up the field.

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move over marines
xenos "soon", but whether it is spaece aelves or orruks it remains to be seen

if it wasn't this year they'd say "nothing to say yet but this is the place to watch"

>>54410834
To be fair, we have cultists on hand to sacrifice

>>54410851
yes the rules allow this

>>54410719
>while my ultra list is 2 tactical squads, 2 missile lauchers, 1 flamer, a captain and a libby list makes me feel kind of light on the ground.
That looks like you might be short some points there.
I'd drop the flamer run 2 5 man tac squad with missle launcher, a razorback with ass cannon, a captian with what ever you want and a libby. By my math that should give you 53 points to spend on captian, serg and/or libby.

>>54410756
I wanted to keep all the armies in all the phases somehow, even if it's just shadow in the warp for the nids in the psychic phase, and the start collecting box is just a termi captain, a dreadnaught and a tac squad, not ideal for my desires.

>>54410809
i was toying with a guard army as well, but 3 infantry platoons with vox,heavy bolters and flamers, 2 platoon commanders, an astropath, a command squad with medipak, vox, and tri flamers and heavy flamer at 250ish points, with enough left over to really spam it made the other low point armies look weak. I could probably fit a hellhoud and a trio of missle launches in a heavy weapon's squad in 500 points, and that army would wipe the floor with everything.

>>54410856
what even is this?

a space marine with horns and spikes, looks stupid af. LoL!

>>54410711
Flamers are only good for overwatch and only on certain models that can stack them. The 8x heavy flamers on baneblades for instance are great.

On infantry that can stack them like veterans stormbolters are better. Vehicles that can take lascannons twin assault cannons or plasma cannons should take those instead.

>>54410856
It's a generic Chosen Champion, that's all he is.

>>54410774

Rebox to triple kit with price increase I bet

>>54410850
Yeah, but they also gotta be within 12 of the summoner. Unless you plan to deep strike a Lord w/ Jump Pack, does it actually move them that much up the board?

>>54410851
You cannot reroll a die more than once.

So if you rolled To Hit with a Meltagun on a 3+ and rolled a 1. You could
>Reroll via Captain
Or
>Reroll due to Chapter Tactic

But if the result was a 2 for example

You'd have to use the Chapter Tactic if you want to reroll.

>>54410751
I expect something generic so Hellbrutes and Tzaangors can benefit from it as well.

What i want though.

>Warlord Trait: All Is Not Yet Dust - All Is Dust is flat +1 regardless of damage, in bubble of 6" around Warlord
>Strategem: Psychic Mastery. - Use 2CP to instantly have a psyker try to manifest spell as if it was psychic phase. For your Warptiming out of charge range needs
>Relic: Key Of The Silver Tower - Each time psyker manifests a power, closest enemy unit takes a mortal wound. Each time psyker fails a psychic test, he takes a mortal wound

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https://regimental-standard.com/2017/07/19/the-ultramarines-and-you/

>While the bolt rifle is a miracle of the Adeptus Mechanicus’ art, your lasgun is a worthy weapon with many charms. For example, you can affix many exciting accessories to it, like a flashlight,** or a bayonet.

>** Referring to a weapon equipped in this way as “twin linked” is punishable by flogging.

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Hey guys, I bought some broken models from Ebay that I want to fix up. I've heard that LATA works wonders for removing primer, paint and glue. Has anyone here tried it personally before I go spend 4 bucks at the dollar store?

>>54410094
>not op
No fun!

This might sound like a silly question but it wasn't faq'd but if I use veiled pathway with harlequins cam I use it on the shadowseer and I can I also advance ontop?
Trying to work out anti flyer ideas I wanna know how big her threat range is.
Cheers all.

>>54410897
On a bike would be the better option due to turbo-boost, but while I see your point, on the standard 6x4 table, you can get that character with an escort up the table without too many issues.

>>54410544
ah yeah I was comparing them to DW termies, losing a point of damage in return for hitting at normal WS seemed like a reasonable trade. I hadn't noticed that assault termies were five ppm more than the others, I wonder why that is

>>54410902
And this right here illustrates the genius of 8th edition. Multiple reroll options that come in handy even if you don't have the other one, but don't stack into a retarded fateweaver shitfest.

Thank fuck for New Games Workshop™

>>54410792
I am that garbageman, also
>>54410599

>>54410808

No. Stormravens hit two birds with one stone by transporting your termies AND dreads while land raiders are always goty

>>54410914
>"twin linked"
that is fantastic

Flash Gitz MSU in Trukks or two big ones in Battlewagons?

>>54410936
>Multiple reroll options that come in handy even if you don't have the other one, but don't stack into a retarded fateweaver shitfest.

Being unable to reroll a reroll has been in the game since at LEAST 6e. Probably longer.

>>54410913
Tzaangor are not HERETIC ASTARTES and as such would likely not benefit from any Legion Tactics.
Throwing all the armies psykers under the bus just to include the helbrute would be very like GW though.

What I want most of all though is
>a 6 spell psychic discipline for each of the cults of prospero

>>54410543
What's the capacity of a Stormraven anyway? I don't play marines ...

>>54410944
What about 1500 point games? A land raider soaks up a lot of points

>>54410966
Also, i really want Ahriman to buff the shit out of Rubrics.

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>>54410966
>a 6 spell psychic discipline for each of the cults of prospero

>>54410934
>I hadn't noticed that assault termies were five ppm more than the others, I wonder why that is

Because powerfist are costed as a tax.

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>>54410891
>>54410895
He was a character in 7e and had a seperate rule sheet. I even have it right here.
He can't be a generic champion since he can bear a boltgun and a melta at the same time

game needs something more than buff auras to be honest

>>54410995
Im using one in the 500 point konor thing coming up. One landraider and 4 dudes.

>>54410977
12

>>54410301
and as usual /tg/ is a bunch of ingrates.
thanks, anon

>>54411011
>since he can bear a boltgun and a melta at the same time
Except he doesn't.
He just has a combiweapon.

>>54411045
TY anon

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>>54411011
what's tatters?

>>54411012
Nerf Auras are a go.

Bring Lucas?
Whole army is 7 leadership.

>>54410919
Just use nail polish remover. It'll take everything off your models.

>>54410966
>What I want most of all though is
>a 6 spell psychic discipline for each of the cults of prospero

I just want core book disciplines that everyone can take from.

>>54410924
You seriously going to pretend that Dunecrawler Skitarii with a bunch of Vanguard were OP? It was WarConvo, but now we don't even have Imperatives, Canticles worth a damn or Scout to get our now much flimsier troops up the field. Dark Eldar get far better buffs than us just by being around for a few turns, and all our flavour rules are gutted or gone.

IA14 fucking when.

>>54410783
>BL
+1 to seize the iniative, Stratagem: Deep striking units reroll to wound

>NL
-1Ld to enemies, double their fall back distance. Stratagem: Opponent rerolls one successful morale check

>IW
Cultists give +1 cover save to IW, rerolls to wound vs Vehicles. Stratagem:One enemy unit suffers D6 S8 AP-2 dmg1 hits

>AL
Can target characters. Stratagem: Pull one AL off the table, can be re deployed at the beginning of the next movement phase 9'' away from enemy units

>WB
+1Ld, Apostles gain your Warlord trait. Stratagem: Remove a friendly unit, replace its original points cost/power level with a unit of chaos demons of equal points/power level.

>>54411055
whoops, my mistake, still a character though

So errata says you can only bring one <Regiment> Command Squad per <Regiment> Officer; same thing applies to Militarum Tempestus.

FW says nothing about this for the Elysians so is it safe to field a Spearhead of a Elysian Company Commander and two Elysian Command Squads?

>>54409845
should i put my painboy in my 30 slugga unit, my 10 nob unit (1 power klaw, 2 big choppas) or my 10 tankbustas?

the nobz and tankbustas get trucks but the sluggas go with a da jump weirdboy.

im thinking its the best to have him in 30 slugga boyz because i get 30 chances to remove wounds and only 10 with tankbustas and 20 with nobz.

>>54411001
Eh I'd rather he be made a better caster, give him back his 4th cast and let him do multi cast shenanigans with the Black Staff.
Right now it's a generic staff that just always rolls 3 for damage.

>>54410711

Assault cannons are heavy so the razorback takes -1 to hit if it moved, plus I'm operating under the assumption that the Salamander special stratagem is going to make flamers really amazing for them. Assault cannons are still probably better though just because of the +1 str for only 1 pt more.

>>54411089
>>double their fall back distance.
Read the rules
>>Cultists give +1 cover save to IW
Read the rules

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>>54411073
Almost everything I got was plastic, so I'm not looking to use something that's going to destroy my models.

>>54411124
You need to re read his post.

>>54411076
I'm obviously biased but I'd prefer if the prosperine disciplines that the BRB disciplines were based would be Thousand Sons exclusive and that everyone else just get their own wide selection of psy powers.

>>54411102
Vanguard detachment*

>>54410925
Anyone?

>>54411125
I used T-Röd (no idea what that is in english but its 50-75 % Etanol, 10 -< 15 % Propan-2-ol, 5 -< 7,5 % Butanon och 1 -< 2,5 % Aceton)

and it works well. most of the paint comes off but the model does take a little bit of damage that you would never notice. at least i dont.

>>54410995
you can't make an infantry spam list unless you bring no more than 1 expensive vehicle, so you're right on.

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>>54411011
Here. Happy now?

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>>54411177
Well hello there

>>54411125
You could just buy unbroken models from GW and not have to worry about it, you cheap pedo.

>>54411121
Don't strategems cost a command point every time you use them though? I feel like you'd get pretty limited use out of whatever it is.

One thing I noticed is for some reason Razorback's heavy flamers are Assault 2d6, while every other heavy flamer in the codex is Heavy d6, so that means you can advance and still shoot it right?

Oh nevermind, FAQ changed it, because flamers need to be bad this edition.

Also consider that it's +1 str, +16 inch range, and a guaranteed 12 hits instead of gambling with 2d6 for 1pt more.
Twin heavy flamer on razorbacks is poo poo garbage.

>>54411054

Should've posted my Guard stuff earlier then if you expect people to worship you, fucker.

>>54411201
what the fuck, where's that one from?

>>54410868
It's Nids and Orks.

>>54410428
how did you do the worn effect

>>54411089
Here, let me translate for you;

>BL +1 to see who puts down the first objective, re-roll 1's to wound on the turn deployed from reserves

>NL units within 1" get -1 leadership, take double casualties from the moral phase

>IW units with Legion can be used as barriers, re-roll 1's when rolling to wound models with Vehicle (so not the Riptide!)

>AL characters gain Sniper on their weapons, you may reserve one more unit than usual

>Same but somehow worse than how you've written it

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>>54411060
underrated as fuck

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>>54410879
Wrong.

>>54410851
You can only ever re-roll the same dice roll once.

It's almost as if this is clearly explained right in the 8 short pages of core rules.

>>54411345
hey buddy i think you got the wrong site, reddit is two blocks down

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>>54411201
Anon...do you have the chaos codex?
c..can you show us some legion rules please?

>>54411201
chaosfag BTFO

>>54411380
It's from the Dark Vengeance 8th ed reboxing you idiot.

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>>54410896
>mfw I already have my redeemer for much cheaper thanks to the FLGS

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>>54411369
fuck you

>>54411391
...How?

>>54411323
>Nids

lol npc xenos, you'll pop up when guilliman and his eldar waifus need a quick villain to stomp

>>54411404
>Eldar
Nice try NPC

>>54411380
Buy me a pizza

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>>54411397
Well fuck you too buddy, sorry if i got excited there for a sec.

>>54411404
They're literally just updating the Codices oldest to newest except for a few small anomalies. The next book is either Chaos Daemons or Tyranids, depending on whether or not Daemons are getting their own book or getting combined with the Cult Legions (ie if Nurgle Daemon rules are in the Death Guard book then we'll know).

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Been debating picking up two Storm Ravens because I'm not particularly fond of any of the tank models.

What's a good way to equip them? I'll likely magnetize if possible just curious.

Also do you need to go in to that hover mode to drop off troops?

Thanks~

>>54411427
It spells out the Death To The False Emperor rule in full, why the fuck would they do that in the actual Codex? Use your brain.

A question for all you lore nuts: what is life like for Chaos followers who are not warriors? I understand that most, if not all, things are in advancement of the war effort, but even Chaos Space Marines and Dark Mechanicus need provisions, supplies, repairwork, ammunition and refueling, maintenance and healing.

Okay so I'm an idiot and don't quite get this...

I'm making a Sisters list... so all sisters are let's say, Order of Our Martyred Lady, right?

Now, I also have some Storm Troopers. They share the key-word Imperium so they can be in the same FoC as the Sisters... but... I don't get what that does negatively?

What do I lose by having a battle forged "Imperium" army instead of having a battle forged "Order of Our Martyred Lady" army?

>>54411419
Give me your address

>>54411479
like imperial life but maybe a bit nicer yet scarier

>>54411391
>Vrosh has update
>Kranon is now a named character with actual rules
Oh my i wish i get so btfo every day!
oh no there's no rules for new chaos engines... someone btfo me already~

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>>54411160
I took a look and from what I can tell, you should be able to advance with it. Twilight Pathways works just like Hive Commander does.

>>54411177
I tried to give it a go, but I can't seem to find it or an equivalent product stateside for it. Looks like I'll just go with Totally Awesome.

>>54411237
(you)

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Why can't heavy flamers have a longer range than normal flamers? Maybe they could be slightly more worthwhile then, a single extra strength and AP doesn't seem worth the tax.

>>54411521
who cares

>>54411520
>avatarfagging pedophile
Get the fuck out trash

>>54411456
>t. guy who said last edition "yeah I've been considering picking up 3 Riptides because I really like the models and no other reason, hey by the way what's the optimal loadout for their guns and support systems? I'll magnetize anyway, just curious, honest"

Somebody posted a "classic" theme space marine army from old editions, and gave me the idea to make a chaos army like this with the typical units in pictures from old rogue trader games. But I'm new and don't know what is good. Would this be a good army around 1500 points?

chaos lord with a jump pack and some good close combat weapons like a power fist or something

20 cultists with rifles
10 marines with 2 special weapons and a rhino. champion with a power sword and maybe plasma pistol, in a rhino
10 marines basically the same as ^ but with different loadouts, in a rhino

a helbrute with a lascannon arm and hammer or missile launcher

10 raptors with two flamers or meltaguns, power weapon champion

vindicator

This is a bit less than 1500 from what I can tell from the chaos index so I have points to work with on the gear.

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B E L L E B O Y E is best model of 8th?

Yes.

>>54411479
Its shit, just like life as an Imperial. At best you'll be enslaved by a relatively uncorrupted warband like in the NL trilogy, or live out a shitty existence at some renegade port like Hell's Iris. Most likely, you'll end up chained to some machine in some manufactorum somewhere with violent overseers working you to death. If you're ever liberated, you'll be executed to prevent the spread of taint.

>>54411521
Because for some reason infantry flamers are designed to not work on overwatch against deep strikers

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Ultras have the most generally useful Chapter tactics.

Tacticool retreat and pew pew.

Also, +1 leadership is never a bad thing.

>>54409958
Short answer: no.
Long answer: fuck nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

>>54411548
Exactly. What an obvious fucking retard

>>54411520
Stop avatarfagging you fucking faggot

>>54411503
Put it in for pickup at the Domino's in union st Easthampton. Screenshot the receipt for me. Thanks duder

>>54411500
nothing atm.

Where is the rest of the inquisition stuff (like archoflaggelants)

>>54411414
Primarches rezzed/killed
Chaos: a ton
Loyal primarchs: a few maybe
Eldar: 1
Everyone else: 0

Anyone who can't kill or revive primarchs is basically an NPC

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Hey can you guys make me some nuggies?

So Thunderhawks can carry 30 smurfs, or 15 terminators

If you were to theoretically cram guardsmen or chapter serfs onto a thunderhawk, do you think 2 humans = 1 power armored trooper is a good rule of thumb?

Ogryns count as 3 dudes for IG transports, but I don't think muhreens are as big as ogryns.

>>54411634
read the book

>>54411500
>trying to play shitsters of basshole
Well yeah, you are an idiot for sure

>>54411479
Torturous and short (slaves), sycophantic and fanatical (pathetic sorts of cultists), or grim and pious devotion to the dark gods (cultists who might make something of themselves)

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>>54411556
I made a champ out of him. Bellboy and the QuattoSorcerer leave an AoS taste in my mouth.

>>54411291
He's not me, he's someone else

I actually did post it earlier, nobody seemed to give a shit. It's there if you want it, now. And I'll post it again when the SM codex comes out, someone inevitably does a shit job of converting it, and I fix that up as well.

I hope the guy who converted the FW forces of chaos index doesn't do the conversion. Not that I don't appreciate his efforts in trying to get a converted version out fast, but whoever was able to do the good conversions couldn't be fucked with doing it for the ones we had shit conversions of.

Or maybe he did, and people just didn't notice. Who knows.

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>>54411540
>>54411588

>>54411508
>nicer yet scarier
That's the line I'm going for too. Chaos don't adhere to the strict dogma and rules that the Imperium has - a Slaneeshi-ruled world would have its populace pursue its interests into decadence and pleasure, at the risk of being flayed on a whim by your overlords. Stuff like that.

>>54411556
as >>54411668 said it looks too skidmar. I never liked the corrupted chaos warrior look in fantasy or AoS and that model reeks of it. no thanks.

>>54411659
Your meme still isn't funny

>>54411707
after all people often turn to chaos because they need help

>>54411520
Thank you fingers crossed it'll help with the flyers.

>>54411659
I'm not playing competitively and just building 1 for 1 the defense forces of Cadia. I have about 65 thousand points of chaos, eldar, guard, sisters, and enough marines for every single chapter present. I'm trying to build lists that reflect the fluffy battles present in the Fall of Cadia stories so that my local players can use my models during an upcoming tournament.

I just was not clear on the rules as I'm trying to represent Inquisitor Graybitch and her Storm Troopers alongside Celestia and her sisters at the Eldar Webway battle.

So kindly, reserve your shitsters meme for the player who will be using the list - and not me.

>>54411608
>Easthampton
>newyork
>america
I dont want to contribute to your Morbid obesity anon, i'm sorry, its for your own good.

>>54411707
Life on a Tzeentch controled world would probably pretty nice on the surface, just wizards chilling and reading books and shit.
Of course under the surface there'd be also sorts of insane plots and backstabbing and lords knows what horrible things you could be mutated into before you're disposed of and made to disappear.

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>>54411653
bro, marinelets are like 60kg each and 1.65m without power armor, and are barely bigger than guardsmen WITH the 40mm plating of ceramite.

So Aggressors can be armed with Flamestorm Gauntlets, and this is actually recommended in the Salamanders focus article, and they have an ability that let's them shoot twice if they stand still... but when the FUCK are you ever going to be in range of an enemy with your flamer weapons while standing still??? What opponent is ever going to be dumb enough to let you pull this off?

I haven't been playing or reading anything 40k related for about 10 years. I looked into the 40k general threads during the last couple of days and got a rough idea on what has been going on.

Could you guys recommend me some literature, to bring me up to date properly? Mainly interested in the imperial point of view.
Doesn't matter if it is rulebooks, codices or novels.

just a general question about the upcomming backgroundstory
since GW is bringing back the Primarchs, will there be also dead ones maybe revived (like Sanguin)?

>>54410318
>My opponent was 100% color-blind which is why his models were unpainted.
and now, I wanna see a model, painted by a colorblind.

>>54411759
Precisely. It's high-risk high-reward stuff, really.
Sure, your soul will be raped into infinity, but you'll feel like you've snorted cocaine off a Tau chick's blueberry muffin the whole way there.

What's good SM/IG anti-armour? Anything non-static gets expensive real fast.
Should I just field devastators or heavy weapon squads?

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>>54411659
You're so tsundere.

>>54411774
kys

Predictions

Will we see Primaris versions of specific types of units?

Primaris Death Company?

Primaris in dark angels robes?

Primaris on wolves?

>>54411774
Even Chaos Marines which are tiny will look quite a lot bigger if you just correct the pose.
You need to remember they're doing a ridiculous power squat.

>>54411793

New rulebook pretty much sums it up

>>54411793
Failed charges.

>>54411574
Eh. It is a very useful trait, but the one I'd class as "most generally useful" would be Salamanders. Protection against bad rolls is always nice, whereas not every unit has guns good enough to make falling back to shoot a viable option.

That said, Ultras are really good, especially on Inceptors and shit and the +1Ld turns your army from unlikely to run away to extremely unlikely to run away

>>54409845
wherever khorne is, khorne only knows one thing.. that Khorne must KILL!!

>>54411762
No problem. Although the honks don't have much in the way of dealing with them like other armies, I wish you the best.

>>54411783
None? Primaris overall have very mediocre rules so I'm not surprised.

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holy shit lads

>>54411783
Failed charges

>>54411811
dropping tempestus plasma

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Can a helforged contemptor dreadnought use a cyclone missles launcher? The one that mounts on top of him? I'm not finding it in the rules for it in the FW index

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>>54411853
oops, forgot my picture of kharne

>>54411836
both are squatting here

>>54411774

I'm going for fluff "how many dudes can cram in" and not based on model size though

>>54411707
>>54411772
Why are Chaos players always so fucking deluded about how life on Chaos worlds would be.

It wouldn't be nice. It wouldn't be chill. It's a nonstop orgy of fucking madness, mutation, horror and violent suffering. It's literally hell made real.

I mean have you faggots even just read the books about the Iron Warriors? Those guys are against daemons more than your average Chaos Marines and don't devote themselves to the Chaos Gods, and their worlds are still some soul-crushingly bleak disturbing Cronenberg industrial horror shit with feral daemonic constructs running about flensing people to death and stitching their souls into themselves to make them part of a horrific screaming hideous mass of suffering for all eternity. People are hooked up to machines that force feed them fatty tissue harvested from other humans to bloat them to massive size and then sucked back out again so they're hanging with huge dangling folds of skin and then they're crucified and skinned alive before being thrown into a meatgrinder.

>>54411194
well.. not that 15-20 terminators count as actual spam...

>>54411851
Salamander one's considered redundant by many because people already bring Primaris LT and Captain to reroll wounds and hits.

I think the actual best one is White Scars, it's narrow but most impactful.

Ravenguard tactic is also really good.

>>54409940
I thought you were saying the night lords themselves would be -1 leadership. That was way funnier in my head.

>>54411909
Sounds like a night out in Manchester in the gay quarter.

>>54411909
That's actually why I like Iron warriors, fuckers hate chaos and use it for their own needs rather than submit their soul to it

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>>54411864
My favorite part are the OMG!OOP!!11! shit we see there. Because GW ran out of stock it MUST be OOP right?

Just got 3 Penitent engines from GW for $35 a piece. I could sell them on shitbay for $60+ and make a profit if I wanted... unfortunately I want the models.

>>54411932
Either or works for them desu, such is the joys of batman

>>54411909
I said it would look good on the surface but be terrible in reality, how does that deception not fit perfectly with Tzeentch?

>>54411930

I think good use of the RG stratagem combined with the defenses their tactic give can make them one of the best.

UM and Scars I like a lot, eager to see what the rest get.

>>54411832
no, no, and no

>>54411832
I hope so, I'm more interested in the interaction between Dante and Roboute though.

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>>54411978
Hope it helps

>>54411883
We get the Havoc Launcher, like in 30k.
It's in the FAQ

Khorne: You there! What are those things!
GorkaMorka: They'z humies.
Khorne: No, i mean those ones with the squishy things on their chests.
GorkaMorka: Dose is humie's too.
Tzeenich: Those are FEMALES, you IMbecile!!
Khorne: What is.. female?
GorkaMorka: Dey iz like da udder ones but with extra squishy bits!
Khorne: How come they don't fight?
Tzeenich: You know, I never thought about it!
GorkaMorka: Yeah, dey should fight! Every udder bleedin' umie fights, why don't dey fights?
Khorne: This is unacceptable! They must fight! Slaneesh! Why do the squishy human things not fight?

>>54411397
>Dark Vengeance 8th ed reboxing
That's a thing?

>>54410318
He's playing with Necrons. How is being colourblind going to stop him from painting shit black and silver?

>>54411828
he got a point tho, marinelets are TERRIBLY designed

>>54412011
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>54412011
Correcting for you.

Khorne: You there! What are those things!
Gork: They'z humies.
Khorne: No, i mean those ones with the squishy things on their chests.
Mork: Dose is humie's too.
Tzeenich: Those are FEMALES, you IMbecile!!
Khorne: FUCKING SLAANESH I WILL RIP YOU INHALF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOU!
Gork fights Mork.

>>54411930
I don't see Salamanders being redundant, because it works on Attack Bikes, which you will generally not want to babysit with characters and it works on all units, not just once inside specific auras.
It also means you have more leeway to add other characters, like Librarians and Apothecaries, since you're not as dependant on the reroll characters.

Raven Guard I agree with, but White Scars I don't quite follow. There's a really narrow selection of units that can use the ability to fall back and charge and in my mind the list starts and ends with Vanguard Vets and the +2" to Advance is... just okay. And that Strategem is shit imo, I mean sure you have a huge potential charge range with it, but honestly, how often do you roll that high on both advance and charge rolls. Plus, why would you want to charge with your expensive gun platform Bikes?

>>54411975
Tzeentch doesn't look good on the surface either. Tzeentch is the god of madness and insanity. His dwelling in the warp is a mindraping labyrinth of infinite complexity that destroys your mind to even attempt to comprehend it. A Tzeentch Daemon-world would be a shifting, fluctuating hellscape of multi-hued fire and screams and writhing cavorting monsters that want to rip your soul out of your body and twist it into impossible shapes like a rubix pretzel and then whisper unknowable secrets of the universe to you non-stop for 99,999 years as each one increasingly painfully shatters your mind into fractal pieces

>>54411969
Just sell them and use the profit to buy yourself another one.

>>54410318
>100% color-blind
this doesnt mean you see in black and white tho

>>54411766
Do you live in new york by any chance? I once heard a story about a guy as magical sounding as you

>>54412060
daemon worlds are quite different from chaos infested worlds

>>54411770
MA, friend. 180lbs 5'11" guardsman is starving

>>54412087
It's the same thing, just on a scale of how far gone it is. If nothing interrupts the process, any Chaos world is eventually going to become a Daemon world, usually quite quickly.

>>54412060
>Tzeentch doesn't look good on the surface either.
Tell that to the Thousand Sons, Tzeentch protected Prospero and it's people from psychich shenanigans for thousands of years all in the name of suckering them into falling under his control by making sorcerer seem like a good thing.
What you're describing is what comes after Tzeentch has bamboozled you.

>>54412133
Prospero wasn't a Chaos world. It was a loyalist world that was caught up in Tzeentch's schemes, that's not the same thing. There was no open Chaos worship.

>>54412065
They're out of stock and they only cast 45 new penitents for the entirety of North America. I'm not risking losing my 3 and not buying more.

>>54412116
not true almost all daemon planets are inside the warp. a planet simply doesn't become a daemon world

>>54410919
/TLHG/ represent

>>54411973
I thought it was some subtle bait. But yeah it would be fluffy but I don't think the NL players would appreciate it too much.

Since it looks like Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Emperors Children and World Eaters are getting their own codex. What are the odds on the other Original First founding Legions will get some kind of supplement in the future. I'd rather have an Iron Warriors book then having to share with the others in a generic CSM book.

>>54412157
It seems you too fell for Tzeentch's trap, if you honestly think that Tzeentch didn't already have his dirty avian claws into prospero long before Magnus even landed there then you're a greater fool than even Russ.

>>54412167
...yes it does? This happens all the time. Once Chaos is in control of a world they start performing the rituals and ceremonies that weaken the barrier to the Immaterium and let their gods through. This is basically why the Grey Knights exist, to stop Daemon worlds from becoming a thing in realspace. Hell, even in very recent fluff this just happened to Armageddon.

>>54412194
NL players having feelings?

>>54412196
I dunno. What are the odds of an Iron Hands codex? I'd rather give them a book then having to share with the others in a generic C:SM book?