40k general: Old one's on autosage and I'm impatie

>>54380883
>LEGO 40K kits
>same fucking price as GW

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

I was going through my stuff earlier and I'm finding a lot of Tyranids. I've got a flyrant, 10 termagaunts, 10 hormagaunts, and 10 genestealers. What do I need to add to get an ok 1000-1500 point army?

>$50 for the marine codex

how to make people pirate 101

>>54380964
Are you fucking kidding me.

I thought we were getting cheaper books like the indexes.

>>54380964

Do you think they will release smaller versions or softcover versions like they did in previous editions?

Doesn't matter I'm still going to pirate it off here anyways

>>54381024
Probably eventually. But I doubt they'll be much cheaper.

How easy/cheap is it to build up a Black Templar army from nothing?

>>54381046
>buy tons of old marines on ebay, repaint
>stuff them in rhinos

Not that hard. Probably run you ~$300 for a rhino rush army?

>>54381046

Easy if you use cheap sources of marines like eBay and starter sets. More expensive than other chapters if you build a "proper" BT army with official Sword Brethren models and Black Templar upgrade packs to add tabards and chains everywhere.

>>54380883
>autosage

get out

>>54380989
The indexes are the cheaper rule books GW was referring to. Codices aren't getting cheaper.

>>54380912
Are you joking? That's barely 400 points. You're gonna need a fucking lot, that's what

The Space Marine codex being $50 isn't so bad when you consider
>1. It will eventually get a softcover release
>2. It will likely be one of the larger if not largest codex release this edition

>autismals think space marines are being squatted
Is it even worth explaining to them why they are idiots?

>>54380912

4 more Flyrants.

>>54381090
My new favorite answer is Aquila Strongpoint Macro Cannon

>>54381046
>>54381058
>>54381062

Buy 4 sets of Tactical Gauntlets of the Dark Angels or Blood Angels variety, preferably for around $50 each.
Acquire a Land Raider Crusader for $40-50.
Acquire Helbrecht, Emperor's Champion, and a used squad of 5 termies for $50 somehow.

Thats $300 of chargerape.

>>54381114
I don't really give a damn how many retarded AoS-tier bits of "art" they crammed in, or whatever lore they're rehashing. They should go like Infinity where rules and fluff are separate.

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>>54381116
Not squatted, replaced.
Now accept cutedar superiority and get to breeding.

>>54381139
No, it's huge because it's all of the chapters. Fluff is just a bonus.

>>54381139
I meant more they'd be full of rules since most chapters won't be getting codices for a while

>>54381136
That too.

>>54381139
AoS would be marginally better if the "to wound" stat was how much the enemy needs to roll to wound instead of the flat value of the model.

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>Elysian Company Commanders have free Melta Bombs
I'm really tempted to put 12 of them in a Valkyrie, and maybe even give them Power Fists

Are you allowed to paint a dreadnought to look like nurgle and have it in my deathgaurd army? Sorry if it is a stupid question, I am just getting into the game

Are dark angels getting their own codex again?

>>54381196
Yes, and it can count as a helbrute, or a helforged dreadnopught if you are interested in using Forge World rules.

>>54381196
Yes, but it'd be a Helbrute

>>54381201
Most likely yes

>>54381218
>>54381222
Sweet, thanks

>>54381201
Why would they?

>>54381201
Yes. It hasn't been stated by GW but DA, BA, and SW weren't mentioned with the chapters in the Codex: Space Marines book.

>>54381229
Because Edgy Green Boyz iz best

>>54381236
How are the orks edgy

>>54381248
I'z talking about the Dark Angels ya git

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new friend here .In case anyone was interested in what i made. Im prepared for your insults

>>54381266
>tau

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fresh from /wip/

>>54381270
>>>tau

explain to me in 3 words or less why i should dislike the tau

>>54381283
Insignificant mary sues.

>>54381283
weeb gundam memes
oh shit thats 3 words why to like them...

>>54381283
Shit tier army.

>>54381283
Bad Wrong Fun

>>54381283
Deyz not orks

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>>54381281
>stay properly hydrated.

>>54381283
not grimdark enough

>>54381283
I'll use 6.

Not the worst. Still pretty bad.

>>54381283
You shouldn't.

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>>54381283
>tau players
>7th edition
>8th edition

I just had a probably very retarded idea for a space marine chapter
Would you like to hear about it?

>>54381380
no

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What kind of hobbying are you up to, /40kg/? Playing, building, painting, fluff writing/reading?
You did hobby today, right...?

I just finished my Succubus tonight and my god, faces suck ass to paint. Now to wait for the humidity/heat to level out so I can go seal her.

>>54381380
It cant be more retarded than the space wolves are in canon.
go for it anon

>>54381383
k

>>54381384
I painted 2 more Primaris marines.

>>54381266
>shadowsun with no stealth suits
You done goofed.

>>54381394
"K"? Are you fucking kidding me? I spent a decent portion of my life writing all of that and your response to me is "K"? Are you so mentally handicapped that the only letter you can comprehend is "K" - or are you just some fucking asshole who thinks that with such a short response, he can make a statement about how meaningless what was written was? Well, I'll have you know that what I wrote was NOT meaningless, in fact, I even had my written work proof-read by several professors of literature. Don't believe me? I doubt you would, and your response to this will probably be "K" once again. Do I give a fuck? No, does it look like I give even the slightest fuck about a single letter? I bet you took the time to type that one letter too, I bet you sat there and chuckled to yourself for 20 hearty seconds before pressing "send". You're so fucking pathetic. I'm honestly considering directing you to a psychiatrist, but I'm simply far too nice to do something like that. You, however, will go out of your way to make a fool out of someone by responding to a well-thought-out, intelligent, or humorous statement that probably took longer to write than you can last in bed with a chimpanzee. What do I have to say to you? Absolutely nothing. I couldn't be bothered to respond to such a worthless attempt at a response. Do you want "K" on your gravestone? Do you want people to remember you as the asshat who one day decided to respond to someone with a single letter? "Hey, look, everybody! It's that "K" guy!" That's who you are. You're going to be known as the "K" guy. How does it feel? Do you feel happy? Quite honestly, I don't care, which is why I'm not even going to respond to you. Goodbye, and good luck with your future as that guy who said "K".

>>54381283

Their player base.

>>54381384

I was gonna do some hobbying today but I kept pushing it back. I should be starting pretty soon and should be able to finish what I planned on completing today.

>>54381380
yes

>>54381412
someone should screencap this

>>54381283
kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Riptide is "OP". It's not. They're the Tau's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tau player would know that some well supported fire warrior unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh Battlesuits or muh Riptides" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the battle suits. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tau players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>54381359
what IS the worst?
why?

except space marines anything for obvious reasons I mean.

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>>54381384
assembly line painting my deathgaurd marines
>mfw I went from painting ez ass necrons to this shit

btw, how do you fellas paint for long periods of time without your neck hurting? Mine is killing me

>>54381393
>>54381441
aight
It's a crusading space marine chapter that goes around picking up criminals from worlds they visit, arm said criminals and chain them to their armor so they are forced to either fight and potentially live or not fight and die and because they have a habit of chaining normal human beings to their armor( note I don't mean directly to their armor but think of it like a leash) they tend to shun drop pods in favor of footslogging as to not mushify their slave soldiers
How retarded is it?

>>54381461
seems chaosy

>>54381468
to be fair, swap out the sigils and Inquisiton/Chaos Cult armies look veeeeery similar.

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>>54381384
Slowly but surely losing my mind with this Aquila Strongpoint. Definitely going to make a multi night project. The only problem will be hiding it from my roommate that long.
Give me your energy lads

>>54381461
dude, I expected something more retarted than a chapter who uses penalty legions

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If you're a Space Marine player, what chapter do you play and why?

Ultramarines here just because I like the roman look and I like the jack of all trades aspect.

>>54381457
Are you looking down at everything? Fucking don't. Hold that shit up to your eye level, not your eyes down to the shit.

I had more advice but it all boils down to 'move your fucking hands, not your face'

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>>54381457
I just don't notice.
Then again I was born with twisted spine and sleep on the floor so who knows.

>>54381461
>How retarded is it?

only moderately retarded
they'd slow the Marines down until they died which would be pretty quick, so it sounds like a waste of time really, but using the criminals for chapter slaves and/or potential recruits would work okay

unless it's Chaos in which case fuck yeah, works okay.

>>54381481
I saw those in the last thread. Are they primed? The lighting was messing with me.

>>54381496
>twisted spine
>sleeping on floor
My fella

>>54381412

K is for I kek'd.

>>54381484
Dark Angels, and a custom Dark Angels Successor Chapter, and Blood Angels Terminators, and Deathwatch, and Grey Knights.

And Inquisition, and Sisters, and Tyranids

>>54381443
>except space marines anything for obvious reasons I mean.

Hahaha- shut the fuck up.

>>54381484
Started with Ultramarines because of the bling bling, blue color, and all around "solidness" of being the default chapter (sort of like Ryu in Street Fighter, Terrans in Starcraft, etc), then graduated to Carcharodons because of their color contrast and exotic FW feel with mass armor customization.

Although nowadays Ultramarines have a shit ton of customization too thanks to all the plastic bling GW put out and the 30K shit FW put out.

>>54381457
>mfw I went from painting ez ass necrons to this shit

I started on marines and I always heard people saying how easy they were and I was like bull fucking shit you want easy go Necrons, spray silver, Nuln Oil, maybe drybrush silver if you're fancy, fucking done.

>>54381150
Is it cute still if she's naked?

>>54381500
>>54381500
They are now but we're not then.
My lamp is great for working but terrible for photos.
Still have quite a bit to go.

>>54381497
>criminals for chapter recruits
Ya know what always bugged me about space marine recruitment?
It is stated that chapters tend to target Hive worlds for recruitment right? and that they regularly round up entire gangs?
How many gangs of prepubescent children are there running around?

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>>54381484
Carcharodons, because I love their fluff and their paint scheme. Tyberos is also my favorite character to use on the tabletop, he's versatile as fuck and in 8e he finally got the 4++ he's always deserved.

>>54381532
Depends on the pose.

>>54381535
And forgot photo

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>>54381531
>that guy who brings unpainted necrons to the table

>>54381537
In the grimdarkness of the future I imagine its pretty common

>>54381537
It's a hive world so probably a shit ton of urchin children are running around

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>>54381532
Yes. Even cuter without makeup.

>>54381541
I miss when he gave PE:Infantry, had Rage, and ran around like a headless retard after killing something.

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>>54381547
Twice even. Maybe it's the fumes?

today was my birthday and my dad went to the gamestore I usually go to and showed them a picture of some of the imperial knights I painted. he asked the guy "how many giant robots like this are you supposed to have?" and the guy said "as many as you can afford", so he bought me another one.

Is the caestus assault ram the OP bullshit type of FW unit or the acceptable kind ?

>>54381572
>and the guy said "as many as you can afford"

This guy knew what was up.

>>54381580
Good, but not super broken now that everything has assault vehicle (so using it as a delivery mechanism isn't as worthwhile).

>>54380912
Another 20 genestealers, a broodlord, a tyranid swarm box, and ranged support.

semi new to 40k, it says a platoon commander can replace his laspistol with a shotgun, so he would still have his chainsword then? he can use a shotgun then shoulders it and pulls out his sword for close combat?

>>54381580

It used to be underrated OP but I'm not sure how good it is in 8E. Not sure why it never saw play in 7E and 6E other than nobody had the model, that thing was ridiculous.

>>54381572
>as many as you can afford

Someone is going to be a star employee, if it was a GW store I see a great career path

>>54381603

Yeah, if he comes with a chainsword by default and hasn't traded it for anything, he's still got it. If he's a badass he just one-hands the shotgun and holds the chainsword in his other.

Is Elysian assault grenades still a thing?

>>54381562
I don't actually miss any of that. 8e has given him unprecedented TEQ fucking capability, with his 5A (I also give him +1A as his warlord trait bringing him to 6), 2+ re-rolls, re-roll all hits for all Carcharodons units within 6", S5 lightning claws at the old AP2, with 2 damage per hit . Every single TEQ squad I've sent him up against has lost at least 4 models in the first round of combat to Tyberos alone. (haven't encountered storm shields yet) His chainfists are 3 flat damage with re-roll hits so he can eat dreadnoughts, and with my Terminator Librarian buffing him he always hits first. He's far more effective than he ever was. Just give me back my 1pt CCWs on marines, and I'll be a very happy chappy.

>>54381623
cool, thats what i assumed, but my buddy who plays says they already did a bunch of corrections to the rules, so i just wanted to make sure it wasnt a typo

>>54381627

I think so, they didn't FAQ it:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_the_Astra_Militarum_ver_1.0.pdf

>>54381647

Here's all the changes they've made so far for IG: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Index_Imperium2_ENG.pdf

Didn't notice anything about the platoon commander and his chainsword.

>>54381648
They will in the next pass, they had to update the Space Marine/Chaos FAQs the same time they released the Xenos and IG ones, expect round 2 of Xenos/IG next weekend if people keep asking.

Why don't Bike squads have access to Lances? I mean Jetbikes are just horses but better

>>54381572
Your dad seems pretty cool and the gamestore guy knows whats up

>>54381646

I was planning on putting my chaplain terminator with him and then found out his rule is fucking redundant

>>54381673
Any other way you want to shit on Rough Riders?

>>54381673

They used to, they probably took it out because the bit doesn't exist in an easily obtainable form. It'd have to be a spear, and those are only found on a few xenos and like one White Scars finecast guy. If you give him polearms those are technically relic blades/power axes/unusual power weapons.

>>54381619

If it was /tg/ they'd have said something stupid like "Only faggots use those, any more than 1 and I'd refuse to play"

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>>54381484

Just got back into the game with the Dark Imperium starter. Going with a custom chapter that uses a Dazzle camouflage scheme (pictured).

Thinking of calling it the Order of Discord.

>>54381678
Use a Terminator Librarian. Smite is great for whittling down squads, Veil of Time on Tyberos means absolutely nobody wants to charge his unit, and I personally think that Null Zone is OP as all fuck, provided you can get it off. Just about the only characters I wouldn't send Tyberos and the Librarian up against are Abaddon and Guilliman.

>>54381412
nice pasta

How are Mega Armored Nobz this edition?

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>>54381531
>the guy who paints over his green gauss tubes

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Castellan Crowe versus Belial analysis.

tl;dr Crowes extra attacks from wounds rule combos with his rerolls to wound rule really well to give him a deceptively strong profile even against 3+ saves. Don't use him against 2+ saves unless you're going to purifying flame them.

Crowe and Belial are nearly identical against 1 wound MEQ (Crowe kills 2.09, Belial kills 2.16 with sword of silence), Belial is much better against multi wound MEQs.

Belial pulls ahead against termies and multi wound models (1.72 unsaved wounds for 3.45 damage on average versus Crowes 1.0455)

Crowe will do better against stuff with bad saves and is pretty close to Kharnes numbers.

Crowe also does a bit better with hammerhand due to wanting those successful wound rolls to get more attacks.

Add in purifying flame (an extra 2.92 mortal wounds per turn on average) and Crowe will actually beat Belial against most targets on average.

thoughts on wolves venerable dreadnoughts with shield/axe?

145pts for 3++ dread with 5 attacks on 2+ at S10 -3/D6

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What kind of people play the Eldar?

>>54381751
losers

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>>54381751
WAACfags, lorefriends and paintfiends

>>54381736

"This is why you never paint fully assembled, Overlord Dumbass!"

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>>54381761
What's the Eldar's aesthetic supposed to be? I'm getting a serious Japanese vibe from these guys

>50$ codex
is this shit true or is it a blurry totes legit meme image?

>>54381786
No that's the Tau.

Eldar are just space elves

>>54381786
Well I too would get a Japanese vibe if I had a sashimono on my back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashimono

>>54381384
Am scratchbuilding two Stompas - Gog & Magog, da Bruvvas.

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>>54381786
as with most 40k, it's a mishmash, but there is also a strong chinese influence

>>54381806
You're retarded. See >>54381815

Current Eldar aesthetic is basically Japanese space elves.Tau are inspired by mecha anime, yes, but not traditional Japanese culture.

Kinda disappointed there's no downside associated with chapter tactics. I was hoping it might come with a trade off or points cost to help balance against armies that don't have a faction army rule.

>>54381537
Lots

>>54381786
A mixture of pre-islamic middle east, pre-ming china, egypt, feudal japan and various other inspirations, as well as the obvious tolkien nods that were taken loosely from the norse

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>>54381786
>tau are japs
>eldar are chinese
>necrons are egyptian
>orks are africans
>tyranids are women

>>54381786
Mostly Chinese, especially Meng Dynasty and before what with the world ships and all. Splash of feudal Japan and Middle East too.

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>>54381603
>>54381623

>>54381871
>orks are african

Stupid. Orks are lower class British hooligans/Celtic in origin.

>>54381786
Eldar are scifi high elves with a bunch of mystical stuff added. Like taoism, egyptians, shinto.

>>54381842
>Current Eldar aesthetic is basically Japanese space elves.
Only people who know nothing of ancient Chinese culture think this.

>>54381871
>>54381886
Orks are obviously Middle Eastern militias
Have you seen the shit they cobble together?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_artillery_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
https://youtu.be/yEGv0DutizU[embed]

>>54381901
Importantly just variations of symbols. Anyone that says they are chinese or japanese is an idiot.
They also have European influences.

>>54381660
awsome, thanks my man

Why is screamer turbo boost so shit now

>>54381902
>sashimono
>shinto shrine emblem
>chain katanas
>shuriken guns
>samurai top knots

Fuck off you elitist prick

>>54381926
Well they also have the ying and yang and love hearts

So digging through my old boxes of stuff from 3rd Edition, I've found a bunch of Space Marines I forgot I had; looks like I've got
>Captain (or something I can convert into one easily enough)
>Command Squad/Vet Squad with special weapons
>Devastator Squad
>Tac Squad or two
>Vindicator

Painted in a black with white helmets and shoulder pads to a pretty poor standard but nothing that can't be fixed up or used as a basecoat for a different colour scheme.

What are some fun Chapters I could turn these guys into? I'm leaning towards one of the named, minor Chapters; I've got a soft spot for the ones that show up here and there in the fluff but aren't big names

>>54381926
Their top knots arenot samurai style and their chainswords do not resemble katanas. If anything eldar sword design is central asian.

>>54381948
Chinese have straight swords with two edges

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>>54381871
>>eldar are chinese
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Uncultured swine

>>54381939
Okay nobody said there weren't Chinese elements but you couldn't help yourself and immediately just insult everyone. There's definitely some intentional Japanese elements on GW part

>>54381886
Orks are football hooligans of fungus origin*

>>54381954
They have jian, which are straightswords with 2 edges, and dao, which are single edge broadswords.

>t. does kung fu

fun fact: Chinese kung fu practicioners who lived on the coasts during the 1500s developed a kung-fu katana form to fight the Japanese raiders.

>>54381961
Not sure wtf you are talking about i havent insulted anyone you fucking autistic scum.

>>54381946
Make them into your dudes. Failing that maybe ashen claws or something.

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>>54381673
because you're not playing the right army

>>54381954
Ctrl f china in my post. India, thailand, turkey etc are what I meant.

>>54381969
>I practice yoga

wow nice blogpost

>>54381993
>I don't know what I'm talking about

wow thanks for the (you)

>>54381786

IMHO Eldar are Japanese + Celtic.

If yourdudes don't get access to Chapter Tactics I'm going to die. My blokes have always been Imperial Fist successors.

I didn't spend weeks coming up with a scheme and fluff and actually painting the fucking things, encouraged by GW, to be told "nah, your toy soldiers are the wrong colour"

>>54381961
Bro, there are more obviously Chinese elements than obvious Japanese ones. The only outright obvious obvious Japanese elements are the Sashimono and the Shuriken guns. There are one or two vaguely Shinto symbols used for shrines and shit.

The Eldar swords are closer to Dao and Jian than katanas, their top knots are much closer to the Hanfu (Chinese) style than the Chonmage (samurai) style, there are several taoist, buddhist, and other central asian symbols used for shrines and what have you, and craftworlds are an obvious reference to the Baochuan. Eldar culture apes that of Ming Dynasty China much more than that of feudal Japan too (although a few Japanese elements are occasionally used)

>>54381969
>t. does kung fu
Stop reading there, someone choosing something that ineficient/useless/inferior to at LEAST 80 others arts is just too retarded for my time

>>54382066

Calling buddhist as Chinese rather than Japanese is pretty ignorant of its origin (i.e. India but certain flavors of it got reaaal popular in China and Japan).

>>54382082
What do you train to justify being such a snob about martial arts ?

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>30 squid for new codex

Angery

>>54382090
>buddhist, and other central asian
>buddhist and other central asian

Nah brah, I just fucked up a comma.

>>54381743
Belial still brings so much more to the table. And he's harder to hit.

Lack of AP on Crowe is really goofy.
Plus relying on HH is kinda dumb.

>>54381496
>>54381503
Post pics, let me see your freak skeletons

>>54382094
Not him and I don't know any martial arts but isn't Muay Thai and MMA like the hardest core stuff you can do?

Unrelated, I want to learn a martial art but I don't know which to do and I'm like 23 years old and kind of worried I'm too old to be starting this shit. Also worried about joining a McDojo and getting taught dumb watered down shit. Any recommendations? I mostly want to learn something for self defence

>>54382063
>If yourdudes don't get access to Chapter Tactics I'm going to die

I can't imagine they won't. Marine players are too big a part of the game for them to not have some rules for that.

What I'm wondering is if in addition to the Founding Chapter Tactics we'll have a selection of generic ones or not.

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>>54382131
This ain't /soc/, so no.

>>54382066
>Ian livingstone design eldar in the late 70's as space japanese
>Some retard neet that does gymnastics argue that the desiger based them on chinese on the internet

>>54382066
I mean you are wrong because you're an idiot. The major craftworlds symbols have Egyptian and shinto symbolism.
The most stand out taoism symbol is a 3 part ying yang that doesnt get used anymore. Theres a ying yang on one of the phoenix lords whose style is greek/egyptian.

>>54381978
>Make them into your dudes
Thought about it, but I'm going full my dudes with my Dark Eldar so wouldn't mind something with just a little fluff behind them for the Marines. I'm not planning on doing too much with them anyway, think I'll just keep them around as a sparring partner or for when mates come around and want to have a go at toy soldiers.

>>54382161
Not him, but Pedro's Patrolmen is comfy.

>>54382138
>Any recommendations?
I recommend you don't ask here and go to a board thats designed to talk about that stuff. You'll get a much broader range of legitimate replies.

one more question my fellahs, if a unit is a transport, will it only have the transport symbol, or can it be both? example, i want my inquisitor to be able to fly in a corvus blackstar because it is the coolest looking thing and he needs to arrive in style, but i just noticed its symbol is flyer not transport, so im assuming i can only take things like rhinos, chimeras and taurox's?

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>>54382147
Just think of it as flayed one inspiration

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And two and a half feel good animated movies later, tiny outside buttresses are done. Gentlemen. Do not underestimate fortifications. Hopefully this will cause my opponent to lose as much sleep as me in the end.

>>54382159
Nobody has once said there isn't more than just Chinese symbols, nobody has once said that Japanese elements aren't used.

What was said is that there are more Chinese elements than Japanese ones. And there are.

Please proceed to continue to try and move the goalposts.

>>54382181
He can use one, yes.

Should my first army be Space Marines or Orks?

>>54382231
I would say marines for variety

>>54382210
There arent and you are flat out wrong about CWE being chinese cultured their entire thing is closer to Japanese culture of focusing on specific activities and folding superiour Eldar steel ten thousand times.

>>54382240
Fuck posted before I was finished
IF you do go Marines I would do research about specific chapters because certain chapters have unique units

>>54382181
That just means it takes up a flyer slot. It is still a transport.

See: Eldar falcons since forever.

This edition taking up slots is kind of useful but in previous editions it was a huge downside to take up say-fast attack instead of being a dedicated transport like land raiders, drop pods, razorbacks, etc.

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These bottom Templar shoulder pads, are they for the left or the right side (or does it matter)?

>>54382217
>>54382251
thanks anons, i see it says transport in the keywords. thanks for being patient with a new guy

>>54382063
Or just... counts as?

>>54381751
Fat nerds, skinny nerds, nerds who play with blobs.
Tough Nerds, sissy nerds, even nerds with death stars!

>>54382231
I love orks... but your first ever army? Probably marines - they're easier to paint and you won't need as many individual models

>>54382267
Doesn't matter, templars don't give a fuck

>>54382231
Orks are a great base army to start from. The basic boyz box can be used to create more boyz, or fill in the ranks of other mobs (assuming you have the right bits). I bought a boyz and burna box today, all I did so far was build two tankbusters thanks to the rokkits included. You can get pretty far on very little, depending on how cunning you are.

Marines are neat, I think I'm going to finally start a real force myself soon. Just be sure you know what chapter you like before you get too deep into painting everyone.

>>54382269
Counts-as is fine, but I just don't want there to be a rule that says "not yellow, no IF tactics"

>>54382267
Left.

>>54382329
They've done stupid things in the past, but that seems unlikely.

If I have a Space Sharks army should I get the new marine codex, or just stick with the index still until FW get around to doing their chapter tactics and such?

>>54382329
Ah yes the classic mysterious successor chapters.

Last week they were blood angels. This week they are iron hands, next week white scars.

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>>54382329
>Not being PATRICIAN enough to have your own chapter and switch from which chapter you come everygame for the maximum advantage

>>54382374
Bonus points if you paint them silver or grey so they also work as grey knights and space wolves.

>>54382361

>Sure the Ultras CT got nerfed but that isn't the reason why my Macragge Blue successor chapter is now a descendant of Sangy. I just like the colour red okay, just not on my minis

>>54382329
I wouldn't worry about that.

I exepct the codex to straight up say to just use the progenitors tactics for sucessor chapters again. We already know from the articles that Crimson Fists just use IF tactics for example.

Fun fact: Unless I'm missing something, Farsight using his Plasma Rifle, even in rapid-fire range, is one of the most inefficient options I have calculated out. It's at its best versus light infantry, where it performs at a beautiful 408pts/wound/turn. In short, do not take Farsight with the intent of primarily using the single plasma rifle to kill things. He's really awful at it.

>>54382374
Is that your camo marine? If so:

>Camo
>Similar to Raptors Chapter
>Successor Chapter of the Raven Guard
>Raven Guard tactics

I would enforce this on you if I ever found you out, just to prevent you from WAACfagging.

>>54382352
The FW stuff will most likely 99% reference the SM codex ALOT

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>>54382383
>>54382269
>>54382143
>>54382063


>Actually believing the average marine player is even fielding painted minis

>>54382401
>Don't use Farsight to shoot things
Amazing. I am truly stunned. I guess I'll have to use my second favorite shooty HQ, Kharn.

>>54382361
I definitely understand this worry.

I think I'm fairly honourable about it, I definitely love narrative over WAAC. I couldn't care if I win or not, it's all gravy, but I know there are dudes who will flip every game they play

Just enjoy your own narrative. If you have fun and they get to win, I guess everyone got what they needed?

>>54382431
I just found it hilarious exactly HOW bad he is at it. All of his numbers passed medium infantry enter the thousands of points per wound per turn.

Does anyone in 40k have an American accent

>>54382401
Lel

Also for your Forge World stuff have you accounted for the Macro weapon type?

>>54382434
Lolwut. Who's worried? You have to choose a chapter when making your list, so it doesn't matter what chapter they choose.

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>>54382419
>"H-h-haha y-your marines must be s-some raptor s-since they are camo"
>"Nice try craker, now drop the pants and get ready for my BBC"
>"Y-Y-Yes master"

>>54381375

In 5th tau were kill point factories. and since most tourney ran kill points as a main part of every single fucking mission... they were an auto loss army.

and TLOS stoped their battle suits from using terrain to jump shoot jump.

>>54382138
I am >>54381969, and I will say that basically any martial art that still exists can be used for fighting, except Wushu which is explicitly designed (by the communist chinese government) to not be good for fighting. Muay Thai is indeed pretty badass. MMA too, but there's a lot of McDojo MMA guys.

Stuff to watch out for is "belt fees," "certificates," that kinda shit. The studio I train at doesn't do belts, you learn new stuff when you are good at what you've been taught and are ready to move on.

I'd also be wary of people that hate on traditional martial arts. Body mechanics haven't changed, this shit had to work back then and it's had just a few more centuries of development than "modern" stuff. And if you DO go traditional, make sure it's a legit school that has an actual lineage of masters.

>worried about being too old.

Don't. 23 is fine, but start as soon as you can. There's people that are in their 40s and 50s that start, and it is definitely harder for them. If you learn now and get good, you can maintain it for a long time.

>>54382242
The Eldar path and perfectionism stem from Taoist beliefs, not Japanese steel folding.

>>54382419
What if I field grey marines like 80% of the playerbase faggot ?

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>>54382464
>applying 80's shit to modern 40k

It's as if you're living in the past.

That or you're grasping at straws.

I can talk shit about oldschool, i've been there.

>>54382473
You're an idiot with every breath you devote your life to mindless shitposting. Impressive

>>54382475
People frown upon you.

The only people who accept you are lazy cunts who also can't paint their own minis.

If you can't be arsed to paint the fucking minis, get out of the hobby.

Go play star wars xwing.

>>54382480
Intelligence? Jeeze, I need to read those old rules...

>>54382489
Nice ad hominem. I suppose this means you admit that you've lost the argument?

>>54382492
re-read that sentence.
I know American educatuon isn't what it used to be but come one.

>>54382480
Oh man, I remember buying a deck of those cards but with monsters and daemons and taking them to school to play with my mates at lunch. Damn, thats going back a long time.

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>>54382509
I'm English.

What I'm saying is: I'm not going to play you if you have a grey army.

Put some effort in, if I can do it, I expect others to as well.

>>54382453
Probably sonewhe similar (Catachan, perhaps? It'd fit with the Vietnam/Rambo theme) in the galaxy, but most every Imperial is Space British and would probably have one Brit accent or another, there's quite a lot of them.

>>54382492
>tfw 80% of the player base now play X-wing and Bandai buy GW for £2

>>54382196
Guys like this make me sad that there are people actually fielding gray tide in this day and age.
Godspeed, soldier.

>>54382531
Good desu.

Maybe GW will panic and stop being cunts who overcharge for their minis.

>>54382524
>Tfw that autist dint play you if you have unpainted minis
>Tfw you make your homebrew chapter and HE choose which successor they are or he doesnt play you

>>54382531
>80% of the player base now play X-wing
Never going to happen

X-Wing is bigger than 40k but not because it's eating the 40k playerbase, it's because it's bringing star wars fans into tabletop.

There's no overlap between the 40k players and XW players at my LGS

>>54382531
most of still play 40k as well.

>>54382550
No, wankpot.

It's not autism if i'm actively trying to prevent WAACfagging.

I even defied playing with people who tried fielding the cancerous IG flyer spam.

It's not fun, it's not original, they're just WAAC morons who've been lured by games workshop's bollocks rules for these new builds, so they can shift a few more new models from the shelves.

Same shit will happen with Primaris marines, mark my words.

They'll be op, GW will act as if it's a "growing pains" but know full well that insecure plebs who always need to win -WILL- buy them.

>bonus points if said player keeps them grey too.

>>54382563
>>54382564

Reading Comprehension bros.
Drink your morning coffee and start again.
>>54382492

>Americunts fucked by GW pricing

>>54382579
Everyone is fucked by GW pricing. UK just get the gentlest dickings.

>>54382568
Primaris Marines won't be OP. GW has realized that shiny new models tend to sell regardless of rules, while shitty old models are the ones that need to be pushed in the rules to sell. They're using a whole new strategy now. The stuff that comes out fresh and new for 8th will be balanced to the best of their ability while the old stock will get cleared out due to being OP until they run out and then replace them with a new model and "fix" the problem in the next balance update and then they can turn to the fans and say "you asked for us to balance the game so we did! We're such heroes!"

Case in point, Sisters of Battle and the ancient Cadian sculpt guard are ridiculously good right now. Both will be updated with new models in 8th and both will be nerfed in the rules department but they will still sell.

Taking bets on todays chapter, my vote is black templars.
Also when was yesterdays article out, it was like midnight sydney time i think, so 6 hours from now?

>>54382603
I have to admit I prefer that to them making whatever the new models are ridiculously OP

obviously proper balance would be better, but they're always gonna try sell something

>>54382655
It's going to be something disappointing like Crimson Fists or Iron Hands or Imperial Fists.

Yeah I said it, fight me Fags of Dorn.

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What do you use for IG conscript ? How do you differenciate them from standard IG ?
Is there a point to standard IG squad ? no one is taking them..

>>54382657
Yeah, this at least makes sound business sense and results in a consistent balance point which old stuff is occasionally bumped from, only to be returned to later. Much better than rampant power creep to sell models.

>>54382670
Just paint em different. White stripes for cadians.

Normal IG are kinda meh-tier, tis true.

>>54382670

Usually you're meant to paint a white stripe on all their helmets, otherwise just give them all a squad number.

>>54382672
There's an unintended side effect of easing oldfag asspain if their shitty old models are better than the new FotM. Can you imagine if the new shit they hate stomps their ass too? It'll be Tau all over again.

>>54382666

Dorn successors are dumb in novels too

What low model count army do i build.
I have nids and admech
I was thinking of a killakan army, are they goOd

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>>54382688

>>54382739
Imoerial Knight, Primaris and Tau suits are low model counts and work.
Dont know about killa cans tho

>>54382739
Knights

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*blacks your path*

What do you do?

>>54382758
Shoot Job Application to Him.
Each job application is 100 Damage on them

>>54382670
im using fantasy flaggelants and chaos cultists with the cult shit removed for my conscripts. i want them to look like they were plucked from the gutters, a rifle pushed in their sick hands and pointed at the enemy

>>54382752
>>54382755
Is there anyway to have knights as a legit force by themselves without being a tool?

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Why do the Chaos Gods hate mortals? They gave them life. They give them power. But why, why do they hate them? Why do they deserve the destruction of humanity and all life in the galaxy?

What did mortals do to incur the unending wrath of Chaos?

>>54382426
'that's what they look like in the dark! We're just night fighting!'

>>54382789

There's literally nothing wrong with running a knights only list in 8e.

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>>54382789
of course, but remember to take at least some avenger gatling cannon no matter what. download the index Imperium 2 in the OP and look at page 80 to 87

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Orkz would love earth.
Just plop em down in the middle east and no more isis.
"But then we'd be stuck fighting orkz there forever!"
Unlike now how?
Plus orkz don't drive trucks into masses of people.
They drive trukks

>>54382789
Youcould run knights only but you might want some backup some imperial guard cpuld be painted up as household guard, the soldiers under the knights in the fluff.

>>54382752
What would go in tau suits list? As in what suits are playable.
Commander in coldstar, broadsides, ghostkeel, riptides?

>>54382794
Being born is never consensual plus life contains more suffering than pleasure, compare the pleasure to suffering of one animal eating another. t Schopenhauer
Basically the gods hate us for creating them and even if they tried to kill themselves THAT would hurt so they cant even escape.

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>>54382826

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>>54382867
I can dig it

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>>54382856
Xv109 are also VERY good niw that they have special shield drones.
Commander of all sorts
Xv88 on the cheap.
Ghostkeel and stealth suit...

>>54382856
That reminds me, fw suits were real good in 7th (at least i remember reading their rules and they seemed good).
Building tau would also give me an excuse to buy a tigershark ax1-0 or two for apocalypse, along with lotsa riptides.

How dickish would a full wraith(x) eldar army be in 8th? I want an excuse to get phantom titan as well :^)

>>54382826
With our current population and technology they would wipe us out. Id rather lose a handful of retards to isis than go extinct. Fuck even the worst terror attacks barely do shit compared to bad weather or the poison we eat, whi fucking cares? ISIS is like the tau, a literally who faction only deadly to those who live nearby.

>>54382881
God the worst part about that list is that it works

>>54382882
>I want an excuse to get phantom titan as well
>Needing an excuse to buy anything 40k
If you're already on the train there's no reason to hold back.
Here's an excuse: it looks dope.

>>54382836
I've kinda always wantes to do a Knight army with attendant Sentinels as "Squires"

>>54382906
Its 4 fucking points if you like it why not?

What is a good bitz seller for America? Need some terminator shoulder pads.

>>54382881

Can't wait for what the Codex brings for suit spam

>>54382910
pretty neat but make sure to give them matching heraldry. Fluff excuse could ne the household is from a planet that manufactures sentinels en masse and it led to this practice.

>>54382794
My personal theory is that Ky-OS is the karmic cosmic force in 40K. It doesn't hurt anyone that doesn't deserve it as far as I know.

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is there a way to recreate the knight Solaria ?
I cant seem to find any knight able to take 2 Gatling cannon now.

>>54382928
yeah i was thinking an armoued sentinel Bannermen and then a few scout plain squires for each Knight. all armed with heavy bolters and flamers to deal with infantry. No stealing the knights honour of the big kills.

>>54382907
Well i dont really want to field a titan on its own :/ . Id field a warlord if i had one b/c i have imperium units, but id feel weird just ploppin a manta or phantom titan on a table without anything else

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>>54382945
>It doesn't hurt anyone that doesn't deserve it as far as I know.

>>54382945
>. It doesn't hurt anyone that doesn't deserve it as far as I know.
wot?
millions of innocents get killed in chaos invasions all the time.

>>54382945
You are so wrong it is painful

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>>54382950
Imperial knight could never take 2 gat cannons. renegade knights on the other hand, can take any combo, so ytou can make her alt skin

>>54382957
How do you know they were innocent though? Not even the Imperium thinks its people are innocent

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>>54382758
U wanna race or wot, git?

>>54381266
You can only take 2 HQ choices in a spearhead Detachment, my dude.

>>54382957
“There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt”
>t. =][=

Best aligned Chaos Legion?

>>54382959
>Days since the last Chaos incursion in the T'au Empire : Since the Tau evolved and it keeps going

>>54382670
Normal squads are better at providing lasgun hits for their points .
Conscripts are better at having more wounds .

Am i missing something or can Vanguard veterans each take 2 plasma pistols?

What if T'au develop paykers suddenly like humans did and create some sort of God of their own.

What would a 'Greater Good' God represent?

>>54383027
But Conscripts let you give FRFSRF to 50 guys with one order where Infantry Squads don't

>>54383035
yes but they are pricier than inceptor that have superior plasmaguns

>>54383051
I dont see options in the index for inceptor to take plasma guns

>>54383039
>What would a 'Greater Good' God represent?
What does a plate of mashed potatoes represent?

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>>54383067

Fuck you, you dumb ass assin' ass dummy

>>54383073
Food?

Chaos Gods twist positive emotions into extremes and fuckery.

>>54382892
>ISIS is like the tau
Fuck I laughed too much at this and had to explain why to my sjw non warhammer fan friend.

>>54383073

Tau, after their corpses have been ground to a paste beneath my boots.

So what are the chances GW will fix Obliterators and Mutilators when the actual codex hits? I want to add them to my IW army but they're just so ass and overpriced right now.

>>54382952
Eldar work in mysterious ways is all the explanation you need.
That or just start an eldar army.
You seem to have the money to drop.

>>54383087
>flying double plasmacannons

fuck this

>>54382975
because they're just harmless everyday dirt farmers or something.

the imperium does consider most of its people are innocent. it just has a low suspicion threshold.

>>54382739

GKs, Deathwing, Full tank IG, Shadow specters blob, full flyers eldar / dark eldar, deatwatch.

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>>54383151
Don't worry about it.
We at GW know what we're doing!

>>54382952

I'd never go higher than Warhound. Even then I only want a Warhound for collecting, largest thing I'd field is probably a Leviathan. Even the small Knights are too big.

>>54382739

Bikes

Lots of bikes, any faction.

>>54383165
Well that's an awkwardly wrong image...

>>54383139
I'm pretty sure theyve changed somewhat every update.

so they'll probably change again, if its better will remain to be seen.

>>54383151
Arent they just gonna be multishot plasma pistols? Those things are way too tiny to be cannons, the dread has a cannon

>>54383185
yeah.
Inb4 3 shots plasma pistols that dont overheat because of the cable thing

>>54383003
Alpha legion

>>54383201
Meh, as far as i've played the bolter ones are mediocre due to costing so many ppm, plasma will cost even more. They'll never get more than one turn of play unless you're playing against deathwing or melee daemons

>>54383043
Hmmm well 4 infantry squads plus 2 company commanders is 220 pts and lands 80 shots say.
1 50 man conscript squad plus platoon commander is 170 pts and lands maybe 66 shots on average.
So it works out pretty similar on shots per point , slight advantage to the regular infantry .
I guess the real draw when the codex comes out is the CP to spend on faction rules. Brigades are much easier to reach with a few infantry squads.

>>54383126
>For the greatest god
>For the greater good
>Tiny population but feels superior to everyone else
>constantly bamboozled by all their neighbors
>special forces cant take out their leadership
Only thing they are missing is a caste system.

>>54382670
IG squads are better at assault screening than conscripts due to the smaller unit size and let you fill out detachments very cheaply. I think they are just as good as conscript blobs but for a different purpose.

>>54383346
I only just checked and saw that Guardsmen are now only 1 point more than Conscripts.
Shocked they'd drop the cost alongside all the ways they were indirectly improved in 8E

>>54383244

1 Company commander + 1 commissar + 2x50 conscripts: 300 points, 133 hits, 0.44 hits per point. on a 100W blob

3 Company commanders + 6x10 guardsmen = 330 points, 120 hits, 0.36 hits per point on a 60W blob

>>54383380
>1 Company commander + 1 commissar + 2x50 conscripts: 300 points
company commanders and commissars are not free, anon
its 361 points, so 0.37 hits per point

>>54383372
I actually think they are too cheap. They really good.

>>54383380
Guardsmen can also take a special/heavy weapon for each unit of ten, and each of those guns has at least seven meatshields before anything of value is lost.

>>54383407

My bad, i remembered full 50 blob being 120pt for some reason.

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the T'au thread guys helped me make this one. I still need to remove one fire warrior since theres 11 by accident

>>54383512
looks good for a start. Play that them you will be able to have insight on your own llist and you'll know what to buy next

Does anyone know what hellforged are supposed to look like? As in how a hellforged and a chaos land raider should differ.

>>54383512
Personally id find a way to include some crisis suits, but thats more just because they've always been the quintessential "tau"unit to me, and I like including those kind of units in my army. Their /yourdudes/ though anon, looks fine.

>>54383593
i assume hellforged is more corrupted.

like the difference between a hellbrute and a chaos dreadnought.

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Why do people keep painting/drilling out the mags on shotguns like it's a second barrel?
Really rustles my autism.

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I'm looking to buy these and Gravchutes for my upcoming IG army but 23£ for essesntially 10 heads seems really fucking steep to me.
Are there recasters selling these?
No need to give out info I just want to know if I can get them and possibly at what pricepoint.

>>54383691
People don't really know that it isn't a second barrel.
And it being 40k its bloody well more likely to be a second barrel rather than something actually functional and realistic

>>54383593
I don't think it's ever really specified but I think hell-forged stuff is supposed to be possessed so I guess it's all down to the personality of the daemon. Given that the whole daemonic possession thing is part down to technlogies being unavailable and part down to the Dark Mechanicum having a weird obsession with putting daemons in things I wonder how many fairly mundane things are possessed in the eye of terror outside of military usage

Hellforged elevators
Hellforged combine harvesters
Hellforged walkie-talkies
Hellforged hedge trimmers
Hellforged desk lamp

Got to be pretty annoying if you want to get in a car that isn't going to try and eat you, or have a reading lamp that won't whisper dark thought to you in your sleep

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>>54383691
Wait they aren't?

Could you please inform me of what they are then Anon. I'm super curious now.

>>54381484
Dark Angels, because the thing that got me into W40k was accidentally stumbling upon a picture of the Calibanite Order of knights.

I also love the two polar opposites in the army, Bikes and Termis. And the cool flyers, sammaels corvex bike and the landspeeders make it look fucking awesome

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>>54383787
Ammo tube most likely.

>>54383787
under-barrel tube magazine, although even GW art sometimes depicts them as second barrels so yeah...

How many brushes would you guys recommend for a beginner? And can I get away with other brands or should I stick with the Citadel ones?

>>54383833
Citadel brushes tend to die on me, even though I like citadel paints I think army painter brushes are way better.

>>54383833
Only ever buy GW brushes and paint.
Other paints and brushes perform subpar on the high quality plastic that GW makes their minis from.

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>>54383856

>>54383856
U wot?

>>54383856
>so clearly bait its tiring

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>>54383787
It's the magazine.
Shells are inserted underneath the shotgun and stored in a line along the length of the mag.
The pump action advances the last shell you loaded upwards into the breach before it is fired.

Since Sneaky beakies got the -1 to hit chapter tactic and Smurfs got the fall back,

What do you guys think the other chapters will get?

Like Imperial Fists? +1 in cover?
White scars? higher advance shit?
Blood angels? One more attack, better charge?
Dark Angels? Hidden deployment?

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>>54383821
>>54383830
>>54383912

Huh, interesting. Thanks for the knowledge friends.

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>>54383891
>>54383881
>>54383868
Something something wallmart paints.

What brand do you guys use¿

>>54383971
Vallejo

>>54383833
citadel brushes are good. but you can get just as good ones cheaper from other brands. You still want to spend a bit of coin in an art supply store instead of walmart or a craft store.

As for minimum you can probably get away with 3, same sizes as GWs XS, M and L for detailing, general work and base coating/large area coverage respectively.
you'll also want a dedicated drybrush, just go cheap for this as you'll be destroying them frequently.