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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>54375035
>>54375040
If you want it to be

>>54375017
>What idea do you like most from a splat you otherwise dislike or even hate?
From CofD Beast, I like the whole "Embodiment of archetypes" thing and think a lot more could have been done with that, really using meta-narrative type stuff. But instead they made it 3edgy5u trannyshit.

I despise the idea that Beasts primal drive is anything but a horrible negative. The whole "teaching necessary lessons" thing is such narcissistic garbage that it absolutely deserves the derision it gets. Frankly it IS the petty revenge fantasy of every tumblerina in game form, and that is not in any way a good thing. There is no personal horror to it, no horror at all, it's angry blogger types + kewl monsters + pure revenge fantasy - and that's without even getting to heroes... I mean heroes... plain and simple, mischaracterization of the virtuous, or anyone they don't agree with or like as simply evil and tearing them down into some base, nasty opponent to be crushed.

I know beast rants are just easy, but I mean, it has to be said. It is a concept as a splat that could be beautiful - monsters from throughout human mythology, primordial dream.. it has so much potential if it were taken with respect and love for the source material. But instead, the source material was just a wrapper for someone's personal self empowerment through revenge and oppression fantasy and anti bully melodrama. It is the poster child for the lack of managerial control over projects at OPP, something like that messed up so severely.

>>54375166
>>54375256
Taking bets now, will anyone respond to the question in OP and not talk about Beast?

>>54375276
Might get a few Changelings, and some Mage/Vampire fans shitting on the opposite line.

>>54375361
Why are Mage and Vampire constantly shitting on each other anyway?

>>54375381
Magefags and vampirefags antagonize each other, just ignore it if you want to actually talk about either line.

>>54375381
>Why are Mage and Vampire constantly shitting on each other anyway?

Smug superiority vs. bitterness and envy.

>>54375381
Because people are assholes.

>>54375406
>just ignore it

There would be little left but arguments about pronouns and complaints about OPP's release schedule and SwedeDracula's LARPing habits.

>>54375433
But why those two lines in particular?

>>54375411
And because mages are cowards who won't do crack apparently?

Can vampires even do drugs? Does it count if you get someone else high and then drink their blood?

>>54375433
>Because people are assholes.

But which splats are the biggest assholes?

>Assholes of Darkness
>Chronicles of Assholes
>CofD: The Assholing

>>54375438
And accusations of botting the Dark Eras poll.

>>54375462
Which splat, or which splat's players?

>>54375445
>And because mages are cowards who won't do crack apparently?

Mages are too good for the crack of common riff raff.

>Join the Seers
>Snort magic cocaine off the ass of vampire strippers

>>54375443
Vamp is the biggest splat by far, but they're also one of the weakest. They get really jealous of other splats winning against them, and people use Mage (the most powerful and open-ended splat possibly excepting Geist cheese) as an easy method of trolling.

>>54375481
>Which splat, or which splat's players?

Both.

>>54375496

Mage: The Trolling

>Troll Supremacy

>>54375017
I like the idea of Heroes from Beast, flawed individuals drawn to a glorious battle against abusive monsters that delude themselves into fulfilling a purpose in the world by a grander meta-narrative and will eventually destroy themselves in their quest.

Too bad we get black-and-white fedora tier failures that clearly exist only to stereotype people that the author hates

>>54375496
What do you mean by Geist cheese?

>>54375531
>Archtroll
>Imperial Trolling
>Pax Molestia

>>54375445
Why would you do crack when you can get high from the ultimate drug?
>UNLIMITED POWAAAAHHHH

>>54375551
Don't forget they are mechanically pathetic too, making them not even good antagonists.

>>54374381
>considering IM essentially considers true fae rank 8 entities it would be incredibly hard to tackle one.
True Fae are rank 7 beings, silly.
They're on part with lesser to mid level Archmages.

Not to mention the 'Old Gods of the Thistle' aren't actually True Fae anymore.
Supernal Arcadia is no longer the same as 'True' Arcadia.

>>54375629
>Why would you do crack when you can get high from the ultimate drug?
>>UNLIMITED POWAAAAHHHH

Ultimate power is really good when it's cut with vampire ashes and the tears of changelings.

>>54375663
Dumb discussion. Been done already.

An Archmage could potentially graft all the capabilities of the True Fae on to his/her own Template, without any of the drawbacks. No weakness to cold iron.

Hell, someone previously mentioned that Fate 9 is enough to create a duplicate Wyrd.

>>54375786
Also note, creating a new Wyrd in your own Domain or grafting other template powers on to yourself doesn't touch the Pax in anyway.

>>54375574
Geist was rushed out the door pretty fast, so the balance is totally off the wall.

Particularly with the Boneyard ability (which allows remote viewing and remote activation of powers within a wide area) in combination with other powers, Geist players can remotely render people unconscious, drain plasm from ghosts in the neighborhood to fuel their powers, or (with Rage) literally squeeze the Vitae out of a Vampire without anyone knowing who did it.

Caul powers give the Geist a de-facto War Form, allowing them to channel their energy to gain size categories, durability, damage types, or even flying. Cold-wind Caul at 5 dots allows you to teleport anywhere within a 5-mile radius. 5 dots in the Passion Caul completely negates mind control powers.

Adding to the power of their abilities individually, Geists are unable to die. No matter how devastating the harm visited on their bodies, a Geist will just come back to life fully intact (minus a bit of their self-identity) unless their template is removed.

>>54375892
>Adding to the power of their abilities individually, Geists are unable to die. No matter how devastating the harm visited on their bodies, a Geist will just come back to life fully intact (minus a bit of their self-identity) unless their template is removed.
That only works 10 times or so doesn't it?

>>54375892
Geists are pretty cool and beefy. Right behind Mages, Mummies and Demons, surely.

>>54375658
I still believe that to be entirely intentional, as it undercuts the labels and image the author wanted to pin on Heroes to have them actually be a real, competent threat.

>>54375443
Drama club nerds (Vampire) vs Math/Chess Club Nerds (Mage). Throw in the angry nerds who do poorly in class (Werewolf) and you have the White Wolf of the 90's Triumvirate.

>>54376008
They keep coming back below 0 Synergy, but they're effectively unplayable because the Geist has near-permanent control of their destroyed mind.

Though I suppose the Geist would probably try to find someone else to make a deal with if that happened.

>>54376109
Get of Fenris did Columbine

>>54375786
>someone previously mentioned that Fate 9 is enough to create a duplicate Wyrd.
Never liked this proposition.

It's basically saying
>"Oh, Changeling? Here, let me make a Changeling that doesn't suck. Because I'm a fucking wizard, lololol"

>>54376091
Which is just another sign of how bad over all the game is. Making the primary antagonist suck not for rules or story reasons but because your had is so far up your ass about politics is bad game design. And its rampant in many OPP products.

>>54376140
Yes, the game is about rewriting the fundamental foundation of reality, of which every game line exists in. Your inability to mentally deal with this doesn't make it invalid. Nor does it actually invalidate anything about the other game lines, because they actually aren't mages and aren't even capable of SEEING the world the same way they do, much less matching anything they do or even actually understanding or knowing about it IC.

>>54376140
At that point you're so far outside the bounds of what most games deal with it isn't funny. That's like saying an omnipotent god shouldn't be able to do something.

Mage power scaling isn't fair but it also isn't something that will ever, ever, EVER come up for most games unless you're doing a specialist archmage chronicle.

If you're doing a normal game of any stripe (including Mage!) and an Archmage starts fucking with you? Reach over the table and beat the GM's head onto a table corner until dead.

>>54376133
Pretty much.

>>54376140
It's not like you even need Transfiguration to make a superior splat based on another one.

Seven dots is the 'create your own splat' tier.

The Archmage could create vampires with no weakness to sunlight, or utterly devoid of the beast.

>>54376185
Also mages don't necessarily exist in a game unless the ST decides so. And even then, the local consilium is not the same thing as the Exarchs and Archmasters themselves reaching down from the Supernal and kicking your game for fun

>>54376140
One of the most powerful fucking wizards to ever exist or have existed, with nigh ultimate control over Fate, who has engaged in an ungodly difficult search to acquire the Quiescence needed to create a new Wyrd.

Which would likely be the instant/place that the Wyrd came into existence, or is destroyed. Probably requiring Time Travel (forwards or back), and fuckery with other Archmaster-Grade entities.

>>54376271

Spawn the duplicate-Wyrd inside a Chantry then.

>>54376091
When you have Russ (er "Rose" the tranny) Bailey having that much impact on development, as well as the MacFarlands, especially Michelle Lyons, one of the worst rpg.net snowflakes developing and editing it, it was a doomed project.

I am seriously worried about Changeling. Dave Hill was a weeb, and nutcase, but the one in charge of "fixing" the project is again Russboy Bailey...

>>54376316
>Implying Rose isn't one of the few competent devs left at OPP

>>54376271
That's all well and good, if you want to replace the old one, which no one was talking about doing directly.

>>54376316
is Rose Bailey actually trans? hadn't heard about that

>>54376391
For some reason it's been scrubbed from the White Wolf wiki, but Rose used to be Russell Bailey.

>>54351547
>I's not that hard to find good artists that work on commission / consignment either.
>Shit, give me 20 minutes on Artstation or HentaiFoundry and I could find a better artist then anyone OPP / WW hires for probably half their price.

Right, but they prefer to hire sycophants, asskissers and the special (tranny) snowflakes they meet on RPG.net and the like to actual talent. And the end result is garbage. Amateurish garbage, that we all know can be topped - no - just crushed in quality by even.. amateur hires if a little care is taken in the selection process.

Then again, even when they have professionals like Kaluta they seem to fuck it up bad - I still want to see a postmortem for Mage the Awakening 1e's utter visual disaster.

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>Archmage vs Caine
>Archmage vs God
>Archmage vs Luna
>Archmage vs True Fae

Do you idiots ever stop?

>>54376457
Archmages vs Archmages
Who wins?

>>54376467
The Exarchs. We don't need to cover this one because the books already did.

>>54376457
>Archmage vs Caine
Prime 6 is enough to smack down the first vampire

>Archmage vs God
Undetermined. God might just be another mage.

>Archmage vs Luna
Transfigured Archmage wins

>Archmage vs True Fae
Isn't it obvious?

>>54376467
>Archmages vs Archmages
Whoever sports the best looking beard is the winner

>>54376415
Yeah someone over on the OPP forums made a hugely controversial post praising them for all their LGBT hires a while back, but then it kind of turned around on OPP because another poster pointed out that OPP was working with LGBT artists almost to the exclusion of straight artists. It did not end well, and I can't find any sight or sound of it on the forums or archived (I thought I archived it myself)

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>>54376467
>>54376487

I hate you

>>54376501
Its funny because they aren't actually hiring much of anyone, just giving contract work to them.

>>54376467
fag

>>54376533
Yeah, I think by "hire" they were going by the writers and developers of the Exalted and World of Darkness stuff, which are pretty much mostly freelancers or let's be honest, goddamn amateurs and nepotism hires.

>>54376595
Personally I'd probably call contract work more 'exploitative' than it is 'hiring' but I might be biased because the taxes are god fucking awful.

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>>54376562
Queermosexual. Go cup your daddy's balls and give him a sweet sweet daddy's best boy sucky sucky honey gob hummer.

>>54376467
Nobody, they destroy the universe. And possibly a couple next door.

>>54376652
I agree. I remember Malcolm Sheppard whining (well actually kind of bragging, he seemed to be putting up sort of a martyr complex) about his writing "career" being a label of love, and how he's on welfare and shit over on the rpg.net snowflakeland boards.

>>54376487

Archmage vs Prince of 100,000 leaves?

See, this is one of the few things awakening has that ascension doesn't - viable non-mage antagonists

>>54376366
You still need to find an appropriate Quiescence, and to create your own Wyrd you'd probably need something related to it.

>>54376795
inb4
>b-but you c-can't fight a timeline! That's not an enemy that's a plotpoint!

>>54376918
That's exactly what the Prince is though

Perhaps take a gander at canon material before you spew "hur dur i'm no clever" nonsense?

>>54376899
>b-b-but you need the quintessence

No shit. No archmagefag has ever denied this.

>>54376980
>The Magefag is triggered

>>54376996
You just don't know how to read sourcebooks. It's okay to be wrong.

I'm a Cainefag

I proudly stand by my opinion that no Archmage would triumph over my lord and savior, the progenitor of the blood curse.

>>54377011
It's ok little Magefag, you can keep shitposting about fighting the moon all you want. The enemies written for your splat are scary.

>>54377064
Your determination is admirable.

Even though you're fucking wrong.

>>54376995
but they still pretend it's not an issue.

People complain about Beasts, but the real Mary Sues are Archmages. I would sooner include Beasts in my game than Archmages.

>>54377164
That's like saying you don't like Changeling because they become True Fae at Wyrd 10. It's bonkers.

>>54377162
They're running with the assumption that the Archmage has already acquired it.

>>54377164
Okay but Archmages are literally supposed to be Mary Sues, and also represent the end-point of Mage's power progression, whereas all Beasts right from the start are Sueish.

Also, there's a difference between "stupid powerful" and "wah wah my life is torment even though my very nature forces people to like me and I can do no wrong"

>>54377210
That's a big stretch for a comparison. And the whole "turning into True Fae at Wyrd 10 and Clarity 0" thing was always an optional rule.

>>54377347
And your average cabal will never get to Archmastery, so why even bother?

Can the next thread be a mage-free zone? Where we just table all mage-related talk until the one after that?

>>54377289
>Okay but Archmages are literally supposed to be Mary Sues, and also represent the end-point of Mage's power progression, whereas all Beasts right from the start are Sueish.

Beasts don't reshape the cosmos, and that ability which gives a Good Impression with other supernaturals does not equal "everyone loves me". It just makes it easier for Beasts to receive the benefit of the doubt. Have you seen the Impression chart for Social Maneuvering? A Good Impression isn't such a big deal.

>Also, there's a difference between "stupid powerful" and "wah wah my life is torment even though my very nature forces people to like me and I can do no wrong"

Yes. The former is boring, and the latter can be turned into something interesting.

>>54377500
What is "boring" to you isn't boring to others

Piss off, you pretentious asswipe

>>54377500
Beast is both terrible and boring archmasters are better setpieces.

>>54377515
Sure. But I'll stick around.

>>54377543
Better how? They are invulnerable unless you are another godlike being. I don't like that kind of character.

So the last three sessions of my game is happening over the next month and a half, and Gehenna is in full swing.
* The Changelings have fucked off into the Dreaming, finding that the Dreaming was collapsing and the Fomorians were free because their presence in Earth had diminished the Dreaming.
* There's a final Technocrat/Mage battle happening in San Francisco, though most mages are stuck off-world or dead due to the Avatar Storm.
* The Werewolves are about to go to Wolfhome to fight the Eater of Souls.
* The Vampires of my city have drawn the attention, through previous running around with Beckett, of Lasombra, and that's the 'final arc' is them trying to deal with the Antediluvian chasing them via its avatar, an ex-ally of the PCs.

Wish us luck, it's been a bumpy but fun ride.

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>>54377669
>stop liking what i dont like

>>54377754
Hey man, feel free to like Archmages. I'm just saying I'd rather not use them. And your pic is a problem in the entire Internet, not just Reddit.

>>54377164
Stop trying to bait magefags. The general can shit itself up just fine without your help.

Samurai Jack

Note: For this sheet, Jack is a Dark Hero as described in the Mirrors supplement. In Season 5, he has less Integrity and probably the Madness Condition.

Virtue: Determined/Stoic
Vice: Wrath

Mental Attributes: Intelligence 4, Wits 6, Resolve 6
Physical Attributes: Strength 4, Dexterity 6, Stamina 6
Social Attributes: Presence 3, Manipulation 3, Composure 4

Mental Skills: Academics (Tactics And Strategy) 3, Crafts 1, Computer 0, Medicine 1, Occult 2, Politics 2, Investigation 3, Science 2

Physical Skills: Athletics (Jumping, Archery) 7, Brawl (Neutralize) 6, Drive (Motorcycle) 2, Firearms 3, Larceny 3, Stealth (Ambush) 5, Survival (Hunting) 5, Weaponry (Katana) 7

Social Skills: Animal Ken (Overcome Hostility) 5, Empathy 3, Expression (Wisdom) 2, Intimidation 3, Persuasion 1, Socialize 0, Streetwise 0, Subterfuge 2

Merits: Area Of Expertise (Jumping, Katana, Tactics And Strategy), Common Sense, Danger Sense (Advanced), Direction Sense, Eye For The Strange, Fast Reflexes 3 (Epic), Indomitable (Epic), Interdisciplinary Specialty (Tactics And Strategy), Meditative Mind 4, Multilingual (Several), Professional Training 5 (Samurai: Athletics, Weaponry, Survival), Trained Observer 3, Virtuous (Advanced 3), Ambidextrous, Demolisher 3, Hardy 3, Fleet Of Foot 3, Greyhound, Iron Stamina 3, Parkour 5, Quick Draw (Katana), Seizing The Edge, Fame 3 (Advanced 2: Inspiring), Inspiring (Advanced), Iron Will, Striking Looks 1, Armed Defense 5, Close Quarters Combat 5, Defensive Combat (Brawl, Weaponry), Fighting Finesse (Katana, Neutralize), Iron Skin 2 (Advanced 2), Light Weapons 5, Martial Arts 5, Unarmed Defense 5

[Continued in the next post]

>>54378032
Masteries: Weaponry (Counter, Powerful Success, Rapidity x 2, Sublime Stunt, Skill Trick: Butcher), Athletics (Counter, Powerful Success, Rapidity x 2, Incredible Leap), Brawl (Counter, The Guild, Rapidity x 1, Skill Sense), Stealth (Beyond The Limit, Skill Sense), Animal Ken (Powerful Success, Skill Trick: Whisperer), Survival (Skill Trick: Homemade Tools/Master Tracker)

Health: 18
Willpower: 10
Defense: 13
Initiative: 13
Speed: 18
Integrity: 6
Arete: 7
Conditions: Obsessed (Defeating Aku)

>>54378070
I'd make that Obsession 'Return to the Past', probably changing to 'Defeat Aku' in the 5th Season.

I'd also add a crazy high Allies rating specified as 'people he has helped'.

OPP Forums, why is it so fucking gay?

>>54378336
>I'd make that Obsession 'Return to the Past', probably changing to 'Defeat Aku' in the 5th Season.
Well anon, why does he want to return to the past? What's the ultimate goal here?

>>54378499
It's filled with actual homosexuals. What else would you expect?

>>54378523
Gotta get back, back to the past

>>54378499
WoD is tabletops for weirdos what did you expect?

>>54378499
What's so gay about it?

>>54378523
Because getting back to the past means he can undo the horrors of the future.
So killing Aku means nothing if he can't go back and stop him reign of terror from ever occuring.

So ultimately, I guess he should have Obsessed (Save the Past)

>>54378562
It should actually be: Obsessed (WA CHA)

>>54378336
>>54378523
>>54378562
Why not both?

Agreed on the Allies observation. Anything else?

>>54378667
>Because getting back to the past means he can undo the horrors of the future.
By killing Aku in the past. So the Obsession is still defeat Aku.

>>54378647
Is it really for weirdos though, or is it one of those things weirdos just flock to?

>>54378678
>>54378667
>>54378692
>>54378562
>>54378336
>>54378070
>>54378032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWEd8yDEURc

>>54378692
Tea Ceremony specialisation for Expression skill?

>>54378842
>Katana trench coats and vampire larping
it was always for freaks.

>>54378845
That's more fitting for Socialize, but sure. Also, have this sheet for Aku.

Type: Idigam (Or An Idigam-Like Maeljin)
Rank: 6
Attributes: Power 15, Finesse 15, Resistance 15
Willpower: 10
Essence: 240
Initiative: 15
Defense: 11
Speed: 40
Size: Varies
Corpus: 15 + [Size x 2] + [Rank x 10]
Armour: 15
Manifestations: Twilight Form, Discorporate, Gauntlet Breach, Materialize, Reaching, Royal Avatar, Shadow Gateway
Influences: Darkness 6, Tyranny 3
Numina: Awe, Blast, Dement, Essence Thief, Hallucination, Mortal Mask, Omen Trance, Phantom Arsenal, Seek,Telekinesis
Dread Powers: Call Void Spirit, Colossus, Devourer, Elemental Fury, Crazed Evolution, Regenerate 3, Shifting, Spirit Dominion, Spirit Interrogation
Essence Shaping: Gauntlet Manipulation, Ghost Manipulation, Locus Manipulation, One Million Eyes, Spirit Manipulation
Forge Servant: Claimed, Herald, Spawn
Ban: Must show a trait of his true form no matter what disguise he takes
Bane: Jack's Magic Sword

>>54376501
To be fair art is a pretty faggy trade by tradition. Right up there with writing.
And selling your ass.

>>54378647
GTFO

>>54379363
Selling your ass of course representing the bottom of that triad.

>>54379459
From faggiest to least, it goes: Art, writing, and then personal ass selling. And I say this as a guy who likes to write.

Anyone here going to be at gencon?

>>54377164
Archmages? What are those? They might as well not even exist essentially. If you're playing mage at that level, you might as well be playing Nobilis.

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Monday Meeting Notes

http://theonyxpath.com/pros-and-cons-and-kickstarters-monday-meeting-notes/

>TFW Signs of Sorcery is *still* in development, and no mention of DaveB at all in the MMN despite the fact that he usually attends GenCon
>SoS is vaporware
>Deviant also not mentioned in MMN

>Dave has forsaken us

If you are playing mage at the archmage level, the other splats are pretty much conceptual scenery. It's not a competition, every game is just a self contained story. The only competition is in all of your heads. Some folks just like razzing the more sensitive and easily irritable, and some mental cases take it in another direction that is beyond embarrassing.

As for Beast. Just fucking awful. Everyone whose name is on that product should be fucking ashamed, and whoever is responsible for the hateful garbage the concept was twisted and perverted into should be shitballed out of the industry for life and their name dragged through the muck openly and without mercy.

>>54379888
>Dave has forsaken us

Have you seen this place? The magefags native to 4chan are the biggest disgrace.

>>54379905

>Torches and Pitchforks<

>>54379938

Dave's also disappeared from other forums, not just wodg.

He's gone almost completely dark, both in terms of communications with fans and actual product releases.

If so many other WW developers weren't unmitigated crap, I would suggest Mage needs someone new at the helm.

>>54380007
I bet you're Dave masquerading as an angry anon!

>>54379905
Dave and Rose both wrote for the book. If Changeling turns into garbage we'll know it's Rose's fault.

>>54380007
I feel pretty much the same. We're starved for content, but if somebody else was to take over there's a very good chance they would be absolutely awful. Dave essentially has us by the short hairs. Guy can go as dark as he wants, just don't let anybody run Awakening into the ground.

>>54379905
>Everyone whose name is on that product should be fucking ashamed,

A lot of the better CofD writers from before or after contributed. I suspect the line's problems go further than the writers. Maybe this is what happens when MacFarland has total dev control, or maybe this is the vision that was handed to him from on high by someone else

>>54379714
I'm mostly interested in hearing about scion and trinity so I'm hoping someone is.

>>54380053
This

Dave is the George R R Martin of Onyx Path

>>54380018
>I bet you're Dave masquerading as an angry anon!

Nope, not Dave. Heck, he's probably asleep in the UK.

I'm also not angry, just a little sad and disappointed.

Dave is a great CofD writer, and Mage 2e is excellent. However, Dave made promises such as a Mage FAQ and cut antagonist material and announced Signs of Sorcery and Tome of the Pentacle. At this point, all this is vaporware, and without some substantive communication from Dave, this is unlikely to change any time soon.

Something has to change, or without Mage support, the line will wither.

>>54379888
Did anyone else notice that one of the projects in final proofing is a Mage cookbook?

Is this a hint of self-awareness from OPP?

>>54380091
>final proofing is a Mage cookbook?
>Is this a hint of self-awareness from OPP?

No, I believe all the X20 lines will get a cookbook as one of the Kickstarter rewards.

>To Serve Man

>>54380053

In all honesty, Dave is the best dev Mage has ever had. Old and new.

>>54380087
Is Dave depressed or something? I remember something about him having to deal with personal problems.

>>54380129
>No, I believe all the X20 lines will get a cookbook as one of the Kickstarter rewards.

Is it weird I kind of want to see what's in a vampire or werewolf cookbook? That's some weird shit but hey, maybe the Werewolf book will have some good 'cook this shit on open bonfire' ideas.

>>54380129
>To Serve Man

>Mortals, the other white meat

>tastes like chicken

>>54380155
Changing into a woman is hard. You have to do it to work at OPP now.

>>54380187

Oh lord, shut up and shut up now. Please.

>>54380134
>Dave is the best dev Mage has ever had

While Dave's work for the CofD, Mage and otherwise, has unquestionably been top tier across almost every line, if he's not actively developing and releasing new product, or at least communicating about any issues or concerns, we have a big problem.

If Dave intends to stay as developer for Mage, he has to actually develop stuff in a relatively timely manner.

>>54380223
>If Dave intends to stay as developer for Mage, he has to actually develop stuff in a relatively timely manner.
That would be the case if OPP had any semblance of professionalism at all. From what I can tell, they don't.

>>54380223
> timely manner.
> OPP
Pick one.

>>54380187
>Changing into a woman is hard

DavidaB?

DavettaB?

DavinaB?

Speaking about CofD development for the major lines, have they indicated that Forsaken will get any new supplements, or is The Pack all we get?

>>54380239
I too can google 'female versions of David'.

>>54380223
It's not a problem to me. Not at all.

I'd rather have a quality dev like Dave than someone who vomits up trash every year.

>>54380223
That implied that he's even being paid, which is honestly up for debate at this point. OPP is terrible at remunerating their writers.

>>54380271
>That implied that he's even being paid, which is honestly up for debate at this point. OPP is terrible at remunerating their writers.

If Dave's not getting paid, that is indeed a serious problem. However, based on the cryptic comments from Rich and others, I think the delays are probably more related to Dave's "personal issues."

>>54380270
>I'd rather have a quality dev like Dave than someone who vomits up trash every year.

Dave's talent is irrelevant if he's not actually developing Mage.

I, too, want Dave to develop Mage. However, I don't particularly like the Hobson's choice of Mage as an effectively dead line or someone like MattMcFarland taking over and "Beastifying" it.

>>54380319
>I think the delays are probably more related to Dave's "personal issues."
Sounds like somebody who doesn't pay their writers would want you to think. Let's be real, tons of people have personal issues and can still be productive, and Dave is obviously passionate about these games. If I were to venture a guess, I would say it's most likely a mix of things. Dave having personal issues, no incentive to work in spite of them (little to no pay), and no consequences for not delivering (a mix of not getting in trouble because he isn't being paid for work he isn't doing, and a lack of professionalism at OPP).

>>54380319
>>54380349
Why are you complaining about Mage and not the others?

Mage is hardly the worst in this regard.
You also kind of sound like a total asshole.

>>54380384
>Why are you complaining about Mage and not the others?
In case you haven't noticed, Mage is the most cared about game here. Also, how do they sound like total assholes?

>>54380401
Complaining about things they barely know anything about.

For all you know something grave could have been troubling Dave in real life. It's kind of a dick move to complain when you have no idea what his "personal issues" are.

>>54380384

I'm discussing Mage, because I'm a fan of Mage, and eager for more (and promised) content. I also believe Dave is one of the most accomplished CofD writers, and thus he recent absence and lack of productivity is particularly disappointing.

However, if you wish to offer commentary or complaints about other WW developers or game lines, nothing is stopping you. Have at it.

Also, fuck you. This is a forum to discuss WW games. I'm actually discussing matters relating to WW games.

>>54380424

Something could be troubling in Dave's life, and it would indeed be very unfortunate. On a personal level, I wish Dave the very best. However, if he cannot fulfil his responsibilities as the developer of Mage, someone else should be assigned the task, or at the very least, WW and/or Dave should communicate with us and provide reasonable expectations.

>>54380466

You have absolutely no empathy for anything, do you?
Is it any wonder why people find you piss annoying when you complain?

You're a greedy little turd.

>>54380476
If one cant deliver then one gets replaced. (see exalted)

But then OPP is shit and unprofessional.

>>54380476
Empathy for what? Is Dave actually confirmed to be having imperative and immediate personal issues that are preventing him from doing his job and developing products for consumers? This stuff isn't being put out for free, you know. They do Kickstarters, they put price tags on the books. It's not like being disappointed that the next season of your favorite show has been delayed, which you can view on your television with no extra cash out of your pocket.

If Dave has problems, I can sympathize and I say he can take as long as he wants, because I would rather wait years for him to put out good stuff than have Mage be ruined in the next few months. But I would like to know what's going on, at the least. An official, definitive statement about why development has stalled and when we can expect it to pick back up. Has there been one of those?

>>54380564
As much as Dave is a good writer lets not pretend that he is the only good writer.

OPP would have to hire somebody unknown maybe but lets not pretend that its not possible for somebody else to take the helm.

I want to see material released as often as possible rather than wait years and years for "good" content.

>>54380476

Expecting a promised supplement within more than a year from Mage 2e's release makes someone "a greedy little turd"? Really?

Mage existed before Dave, and will continue to exist after he's gone, just like most other ttrpgs. While I would vastly prefer Dave to actually develop Mage, if he is unable to do so, WW / OPP should find someone who has the ability and can make the required commitment. This is what happens in the real world concerning a commercial product.

No one is suggesting that Dave be "punished" or exiled from CofD projects because he might be having personal problems. However, as a responsible adult, he shouldn't undertake projects beyond his currently ability to complete, and OPP shouldn't allow him to do so. We can empathize with Dave and wish him well on a personal level, and still believe appropriate business decisions need to be made for the line. These concerns are not mutually exclusive, and your implicit suggestion that Dave cannot be criticized or only he can develop Mage is ludicrous, juvenile, and unrealistic.

I sincerely hope Dave's personal issues are resolved and he can devote the necessary time and resources to Mage. That would be the best outcome. Unfortunately, this increasing is looking not to be the case. If so, he and Rich need to make responsible decisions that are good for Mage as a game line and supportive of its fans.

>>54380564

Dave is having some personal issues, yeah. What they are, I don't know. I don't think he should honestly have to say what they are; the guy deserves a private life and creepy nerds (like me) don't need to know every detail of it.

It'd not change anything either way, either. We all want this to pick back up. Rose is supposed to be helping nudge things back on track but she can only do so much.

Hopefully, we'll get something soon. I love the guy's work too, but the delays have been getting a little bothersome, especially when the shit-on-toast that is Beast is approaching its fourth book.

>>54380254
>Will Forsaken will get any new supplements, or is The Pack all we get?

>TFW woofs get no respect

>>54380598
You aren't going to get what you want. If Dave is replaced, chances are it'll be somebody terrible. Mediocre at best. In a perfect world we would get good material released consistently, but the world is decidedly not perfect, and if you want material released as often as possible, what you're going to get are steaming turds as fast as somebody can shit them out. When it comes to quality or quantity, I prefer quality.

>>54380627
Whats the time frame for SoS once it gets out of the development stage?

Doesnt Art n shit take ages?

>>54380627

We certainly don't need to know the intimate details of Dave's personal issues. However, if OPP wants the fans and paying customers to stick with them, some clear and definite communication would be professional and appreciated, including some reasonable expectations about the line.

>>54380627
>I don't think he should honestly have to say what they are
Neither do I, but he should come clean and say that he's having them and that they're the reason for the delays. I'm not asking for him to tell me about how his uncle broke his dick by fucking his vintage sports car and now he has to spend all of his time consoling his aunt through the divorce process.

>>54380672
>Whats the time frame for SoS once it gets out of the development stage?

Art - Approval - Editing - Layout - Final Approval

I would imagine that even if SoS is "fast tracked," it would be at least 6+ months to release after the current development stage.

I'm also concerned that the present development purgatory might be related, at least in part, to disappointment with the material and need for major rewrites and revisions.

>flashbacks to Beast Kickstarter<

>shudder<

Some pretentious complainers here

Keep it up, I'm always up for a kek

>>54380696
>uncle broke his dick by fucking his vintage sports car

>Something you would expect from a changeling

>>54380723
Weak bait. It's easy to spot opportunists.

>>54380601
You always type in the same annoying way.

I can always tell who you are when you post.

You sound fucking autistic.

>>54380672

Art can take a really varying amount of time; it all depends on how quickly they get artists contracted, how quick the turn-around is, etc. A super-fast turn-around could be two weeks, but a more reasonable one is two to four months.

>>54380677

Giving timelines doesn't seem like something OPP "does". There's too many moving parts in this. Beyond that, what else could they do?

>>54380734
>implying it's even bait

Some of the people posting on /wodg/ will literally complain about anything without any basis whatsoever.

>>54380736
This post is almost poetic. Something like a haiku, albeit with too many syllables.

>>54380748

Welcome to the Chronicles of Fagness

>>54380748
>Some of the people posting on /wodg/ will literally complain about anything without any basis whatsoever.

Discussing the status of an announced supplement for a major gameline that has obviously been delayed, and where the developer, who usually is a prolific commenter on various forums, has practically fone dark, is "complaining without any basis whatsoever."

How low are you expectations?

On a forum to discuss WW games, are you really suggesting this isn't an appropriate topic?

>>54380788
Is it appropriate? Of course. You're retarded for even assuming I would think this.

Is it annoying and low? Definitely. My expectations are pretty low, as I don't obsess over trivial things like you do.

>>54380788

Many of us are fans of Dave's work for the CofD. Some Anon's are practically cult-like in their adoration of him and cannot tolerate any criticism or dissention.

>>54380812
>Some Anon's are practically rabid and demand content at every corner

It goes both ways. There's no middle ground to speak of here.

>>54380832
I'd say the middle ground is being disappointed at the dismal state of production yet not going after Dave and the others with pitchforks. Nobody is rabidly demanding content. What people are doing is acting like wondering what the hell is going on and saying that companies should have some professionalism is selfish and greedy.

>>54380807
>>54380832
>I don't obsess over trivial things like you do
>demand content at every corner

People like Mage and want and are willing to pay for,supplements. OPP promised supplements. The first supplement has been delayed for quite a while, the developer is unusually quiet, and OPP hasn't communicated about what to expect.

No one is "obsessing" about anything, nor are we "demanding content at every corner." It would be nice, however, for OPP to release *one* supplement since Mage's release in May 2016, or be open about the reason for any delays and how they will be rectified.

>>54380897

Patience is a virtue

>>54380926
So is punctuality.

To be fair, I'm very excited to see that Changeling 2e is finally in editing after a year of delays.

>>54380885
Go suck white wolf's cock cuck. SORRY we don't just drop to our knees and suck off the greedy European hack company

>>54380941
>To be fair, I'm very excited to see that Changeling 2e is finally in editing after a year of delays.

Changeling 2e is a great mystery. We have no idea about the nature and extent of the changes made to David Hill's playtest draft.

It could be utterly fantastic or Beast-level horrific.

>>54380953
He's been gone for only 2 months right? I can't imagine much would have changed.

>>54380946

While I'm not a fan and SwedeDracula and his cronies, I don't believe any of the delays with the CofD material is their fault. They only seem responsible for approvals, and every indication is that they've been relatively quick and with no major changes.

The CofD's (and others, like M20) problems are generally the fault of Richard Thomas, the owner and purported "creative director" of OPP.

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>>54380946
I don't understand.

>>54380979

>white wolf whore

ok buddy

>>54380974

According to Hill, Rose and others were concurrently writing and revising Changeling 2e while he was still developing the draft. Rose has also implied on multiple occasions on the OPP forums that the game will take a different tone and direction that what was suggested by Hill.

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>>54380940
But none bear comparison to pumpkins, the true virtue

>>54381021
Huh. Did they say whether it would be in fluff or rules? Because I liked the new Seeming rules a lot and I'd be pretty bummed if they got rid of them.

Fluff I honestly don't know, because they didn't show us fuckall of that.

>>54380998

Just because you hate nuWW, it doesn't mean they're responsible for all of the myriad of problems at OPP.

>>54381027
>Did they say whether it would be in fluff or rules

The implications from Rose and Hill was that both mechanics and setting were changed. However, your guess is as good as mine.

I used to have a lot of faith in Rose's development work, but after Secrets of the Covenants and A Thousand Years of Night were so lackluster, my confidence is waning.

I'm not suggesting that Changeling 2e will be bad by any means, but we should probably expect some surprises from what we saw in Hill's draft.

>>54381089
I actually liked 1kYoN a lot more than Secrets. I feel moderately okay with her.

>>54381115
>I actually liked 1kYoN a lot more than Secrets

I agree, but improving on Secrets was a very low hurdle.

ATYoN was particularly disappointing because it contained some of the worst editing from WW in years, with almost every npc stat block totally wrong.

>>54381089
I guess we'll see. Changeling 1e wasn't a masterpiece by any means, but I really thought that the setting and tone were pretty spot-on. It left enough room for good things to happen even though the characters started out with trauma or hardship.

As long as we keep the Arthurian tragedy, courtly intrigue, and potential for superpowered hi-jinks it will be good. If they spoon-feed too much ideology into the setting it will ruin the tenuous balance of romantic fantasy that it had.

>>54381190

I just hope we don't see any more of the odd "beautiful madness" garbage from 1e.

>WTF is "beautiful madness" anyway?

>Also, I favor "shenanigans" over "hi-jinks" in my personal horror games.

>>54381224
I'm more of a "Scooby Doo meets X-Men" fella myself.

>>54381224
>>Also, I favor "shenanigans" over "hi-jinks" in my personal horror games.
What's the difference?

>>54381413
>What's the difference?

Nothing, I was only joking.

>>54379969
Go fuck off, you sound like a rpg.net regular or redditor. The type of milquetoast coward who is so afraid of criticizing any entrenched negativity that whenever someone has the balls to stand up and speak their mind, you piss your pants while at the same time redoubling every effort to bring attention to your best virtue signalling skills.

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Quick question, guys, i want to run a scenario where the players are old vampires who somehow were awoken from the looong torpor, hilarity ensues (think Queen of the Damned, Dark Shadows type of deal). How far in the timeline i can go to keep modern vampire clans available? I don't want to read cWoD. I'm lazy.

>>54381639
Dont help this lazy bastard.

>>54377515
>durr I like being an unstoppable Mary Sue with nobody able to stand against me at all

It's OK anon, the bullies are long gone

Is Plasma under Matter or Forces?

Or both? It's a state of matter, but also effectively a force.

>>54381754
Matter 3 + Forces 3 to create plasma so both at least in awakening 2e

>>54381760
*create via transmutation.

>>54378842
It's always been for a special subset of an already special subset of the population, since it has a lot more drama fagging and in character roleplay, as well as the fact that since it's darker in tone stuff like rape, slavery and the like will inevitable be brought up

>>54381754
It's chemically active matter. A mix of Matter and Forces.

>>54381733
Mate it's kinda a waste of time to read the old book if you're gonna run it on 20th Anniversary, don't you think?

>>54380061
Matt and Michelle are both major SJWs. The sad thing is, I once thought they were nice, well, I think Beast is very revelatory.

>>54380319
Great - if it's not RichT and his opiate problems, and personal excess, now we have to worry about losing pretty much the last good line developer.

>>54381881
>RichT and his opiate problems,

What?

>>54380129
>>54380157
>vampire cookbook
>who literally can't eat anything except blood unless they use magic

Really makes you think

>>54380974
What did hill suggest? Wasn't the tone going to stay that of the original Changeling the Lost, or was he fucking it all up? I'm really worried about what the tranny is going to do to it to be honest. I know it's viewed as cruel, if not taboo to say, but it's an uphill battle for someone mentally ill like that to deal with their deep personal issues in a way that doesn't reverberate throughout their lives and work, and Changeling is something that someone like that could really make a fucking wreck of.

>>54380741
Tell people what the fuck is going on, confirm whether Dave is able to continue or not, and if not, what they're going to do.

Leaving people in the dark is incredibly unprofessional

>>54381115
>her

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>>54381115
I'm gonna blow your mind...
Rose Bailey is a man.

>>54382092
As far as I was able to discern from the playtest documents, Hill's version was very true to the tone of the original while modernizing the rules in only the ways that were necessary (e.g. making the optional "choose any kith" rule the main chargen method) while not taking out the cool things like Oneiromancy or Hedge Duels.

>>54382180
>>54382206
dare one of you to leave a "Thanks, Russell!" comment on the next OPP front page note penned by Rose

>>54382208
Well shit.. the rewrite is getting me nervous. Changeling is a very easy game for the SJWs to come in and just make a mockery of with their identity politic and vain tumbler blog garbage. And like beast the source material is just too cool to deserve that kind of fuckery.

>>54382239
Please, he prefers Russboy.

>>54382092
>Liking hill but hatting on Rose
What the fuck is wrong with you? hill's changling 2e lore was horrible. Almost a much as his tokyo mage.

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>>54382239
>going on the opp website for any reason

>>54382247
>Beast
>Cool
Fucking are you serious? Are you a twelve year old chuuni?

>>54382247
Well biggest alleged SJW(writer of beast) didn't fuck up Changeling 20 so I would be more worried about rule and setting changes

>>54382247
Beast had source material?

>>54382271
At its most basic, Beast has a neat concept. Take on the role of classical monsters. Dragons, krakens, griffons, giants, etc vs heroes of legend. They just went about it all wrong.

>>54382294
It says something that the outright otherkinism of the bygone bestiary is preferable to Beast

>>54382300
>bygone bestiary
It would have been a much better book if it basically didn't require you to write an entire culture from scratch.

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>>54382262
The source material for beast was monsters of classic myth. And heroes of said myth as well. Neither were treated with any respect by whoever fucked up that line, and turned it into the "my mom kicked me out of the house when I was 17 because I liked other guys dicks so I'm a monster, and she was an evil hero bully" fucked up shit that it was

>>54375381
It's eternal struggle between Predator and its lawn chair.

>>54381115
Really? I felt like ATYoN managed to completely avoid all questions I would like to know about Elders, such as:
1) how they manage to get all that supernatural vitae (and not get blood bonded and taken advantage of)
2) how they manage to keep their humanity high
3) in case of ancient ghouls how they survive torpor period of their master
and I could continue

>>54382046
kek

>>54382265
If we spent all our time on this Algerian rug-weaving board how would we find out what stage of production our favorite splat is in?

>>54382379
but doesn't Demon already have all its supplements out?

>>54382294
>>54382319
Not in this setting. You knew it would be nothing like how you wanted it too be. I heard the concept I knew it would be something like this.

>>54382271
I don't know about you, but I play these games because I find monsters of myth and folklore quite interersting. There is a lot of potential that was absolutely wasted by the developers of Beast.

>>54382282

Yup. Go to your public library. While they still exist. You will be amazed. Bring pepper spray or a side arm if you're in a severely ... colorful, type of city. Just in case.

>>54382279
Changeling 20 was just updated mechanics and a lot of splicing together of preexisting source material. A very different beast than Beast, so to speak, which was something developed new, from the ground up, where the ideology could be forced in much more thoroughly.

>>54382449
>Changeling 20 was just updated mechanics and a lot of splicing together of preexisting source material. A very different beast than Beast, so to speak, which was something developed new, from the ground up, where the ideology could be forced in much more thoroughly.

While your point is fair, it should not be forgotten that something else that was supposed to just be that--Mage 20th--nevertheless managed to become just as much of a politically infused piece of shit as Beast did.

>>54382562
God, I hope they keep that shit out of Geist 2e.

>>54382294
I already have changeling for that though.

>>54382665
>Implying Geists won't be a metaphor for being a Two-Spirit autistic omnigendered squirrelkin trapped in the body of a human.
>Implying fighting ghosts in the underworld won't be a metaphor for fighting the while devils lingering oppression in 2017

>>54382562
Brucarto's been doing that for 20 years.

>>54382396
If you visited the Onyx Path website you'd see that Demon has an upcoming Night Horrors book

>>54382822
See
>>54382265

>>54375017
>What idea do you like most from a splat you otherwise dislike or even hate?

I don't hate splats, just fanboy fuckwads that make their chosen splat look bad.

>>54375381
They aren't, all Magefags assume that only a "Vampfag" could possibly find them boring, inane, uninspired and pretentious faggots.

The truth is, non-players would find such behaviour onerous. It's just more of the "everyone who disagrees with me is a [snarl world]" shit that's par for the course with the desperately unintelligent and borderline unintelligible.

>>54375411
Case in point.....

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>>54375381
Mage cowards don't even smoke crack, yo. Observe this Obrimos... where is his supernal glass pipe?

>>54383162
... Ironically Perfected Glass is perfectly translucent, and doesn't refract light, so it's bloody hard to actually see.

>>54375445
The original Jyhad card game had a condition card where a vampire developed an addiction to XTC laced blood, so, yeah, the delivery system changes but not the effects.

>>54375501
People are people, good and bad all over. The universe resists your simplistic classifications.

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>>54375531
>when "paradox" really means you got your bullshit subreddit suspended for douchebaggery

>>54375892
A cheesed Sin-Eater would have a LOT to worry about when a Mage proficient in Death wanders into his/her Boneyard.

Geist is a really powerful gameline, it's right with Beast. Both being behind the 'big three'.

Reminder that only Requiem vampires are weak. Masquerade vampires can throw down with Archmages.

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>>54375551
It would have been better if the Beast split into two people when they "activated", almost like Wraith's Psyche vs. Shadow duality - two halves of the same whole, so tied to each other that although they have different goals and outlooks and live only to contradict each other, killing one of them ends both of them. Finding a way to deal with Heroes - without just ripping their fucking spine out - would have made for better campaigns. It would even create bizarre stories where although the two hate each other, they would be forced to protect and save each other out of sheer self-preservation.

>>54383265
ur really bad at trolling

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>Oh No! This wretched thread, I am back.
>Mages are still bitch ass cowards, not smoking crack.

>>54383272
this sounds just as shit.

>>54383274
Not trolling. I'm just stating the facts here. Requiem Disciplines don't go above five dots. It's different in Masquerade.

>>54375689
You could reduce cocaine with vitae and make a cherry red crack that extends your lifespan as well as makes you shit yourself.... but no, you won't, coz yoo a buster mark foo.

Is there a 'compatibility chart' based on the current ten gamelines?

>>54383272
This is dumb. Beasts is a concept that's really bas to implement in WOD. Jut because the goal of most of these things is just survive, grow fat and die.It works better as NPCs than a template.

>>54376185
>Your inability to mentally deal with this doesn't make it invalid.

Good heavens, no. What makes it invalid is the fact that I refuse to pay money for Chrod books, don't play Chrod and even if I did, I wouldn't touch a game that has such insufferably smug cheerleaders.... so none of it matters at all to me.

>>54383302

>compatible with each other
Vampire
Werewolf
Changeling
Promethean
Geist

>non compatible. don't use
Mage
Mummy
Demon

>ass
Beast
Hunter

>>54383324
Put Geist down in 'ass'

>>54376366
No, he was implying that the "old" Wyrd is actually the one that the player set out to create, and that effect precedes cause like any other modern time travel story. The Wyrd exists only because it inspired an Archmaster to go back and create it.

>>54383334
I believe he was implying making an entirely separate Wyrd

>The Wyrd exists only because it inspired an Archmaster to go back and create it.
This is really compelling though. It also runs with its weirdness.

>>54383324
Demon isn't that hard to do crossover stuff with. Being in a mixed party prevents "lol I'll just Go Loud" as an option and without that they're at upper-mid tier.

>>54376316
Jesus fucking Christ, really?

What kind of meat Rose is packing has fuck all to do with an ability to write. If having a cock magically makes you into a competent games dev then explain Phil Brucatto to me.

If someone writes fluent shit, then say they write fluent shit. Bitching about Rose having her nuts cut off just makes you sound like a closet case fag, upset you didn't get to gargle her semen before it dried up.

>>54383296
My man red coke is done by some Vamps. They are white folk so it is not crack.

>>54383163
What am I looking at? Leaves? A very crowded beach from far away?

Wait, Rose is a man?

>>54383250
>Geist is a really powerful gameline, it's right with Beast.
I wouldn't really compare Geist and Beast as they are from different editions. 2e generally beefed up splats and we didn't see 2e Geist yet. Also Beasts aren't that strong, they only get strong with high Lair and big expense of Satiety.

>>54383356
>Being in a mixed party prevents "lol I'll just Go Loud" as an option
How does it prevent that?

>>54376425
I still don't get why you're so frightened of trannies

>>54383392
X-man

>>54383399
Wouldn't you be frightened of a mentally deranged person?

>>54376457
>Imperial Mysteries vs. recycling bin
>recycling bin wins
>not so supreme now

>>54383400
Oh, so a trans man.

>>54383408
I wonder how you even came to that conclusion

>>54383424
What conclusion?

>>54383427
Trannies being mentally deranged people

>>54376659
No, my dad is straight. If I wanted to blow an aging, saggy, middle-aged man with blue balls and massive disappointments in life... I'd blow YOUR dad.

Its like fucking clockwork I tell ya.

>>54376735
>I remember Malcolm Sheppard whining [...] how he's on welfare and shit over on the rpg.net snowflakeland boards.

"snowflakeland boards", that somehow a massive amount of you seem to lurk on and know an awful much about.

Methinks you protest too much....

>>54377011
>Triggerfag

>>54383432
They want to hack up their genitals because they think they're the opposite sex. Sounds pretty deranged to me. It's just becoming socially accepted. Like how pedophilia was (is?) accepted in other cultures.

>>54383432
Real transgenderism IS a mental condition. You literally are born feeling like your body is *not fucking right* on a deep, visceral level. It's not trendy, it's not fucking fun, and it's frankly terrifying to imagine having the choice of either living with it as is or having to go through potentially risky surgeries to make one's body match one's self-image.

>>54377011
>It's okay to be wrong.

I love the irony of a Magefag trying to use this is an insult. Mage is the only game where admitting you fucked up instead of screaming I CAN FIX THIS and making it worse like a remix of Kutcher's "Butterfly Effect" movie counts as a serious character development.

>>54383449
You left out the 'doth'.

>>54383459
>>54383463
It's their choice. I could care less.

You might as well argue if homosexuality is wrong. Not that it's a choice.

>>54377113

If I was fucking anyone I wouldn't be here talking to you sweaty permavirgins.

>>54383478
So homosexuality isn't a choice, but being trans is?

>>54377164
I don't think they're Mary Sues, I just think they aren't properly thought about as a concept.

The whole theme of the game is meant to be this retarded "leaving the cave of shadows" metaphor that was crap when the Ancient Greeks pondered it and is crap now. Yet, if a Mage ever goes full Archmage, they don't leave the cave, they blend with the fucking stone walls, granted all the power of the universe but too much of a little bitch to use it because "muh Pax". Mages risk obliteration nearly daily at lower levels, but apparently being permanently reduced into the spiritual equivalent of a few hundred lines of C++ and woven into a fucking cage is so blissful that they turn into fearful little girls.

>>54383478
I don't think it's wrong. I just think that it isn't treated with the gravity it should be by most folks on the far left.

>>54383495
Gender dysmorphia isn't a choice, but actually going through sex reassignment surgery (or being a transtrender) is.

>>54377515
Sad!

>>54383509
Homosexuality doesn't need to be treated. It's a harmless biological gimmick,.

>>54383534
I'm talking about gender dysmorphia, not homosexuality.

>>54377754
>everything I don't like is Reddit

Good news: at least you didn't say "autism"

Bad news: you're still a stupid gobshite. Maybe you should go to reddit yourself, enjoy some amateur porn and reduce that repressed sexual frustration.

>>54383534
>he can't into context clues
Guy was talking about trannies, anon, and their deep seated mental afflictions.

>>54378499
Because everyone who plays OPP/WW games is a faggot, whether they accept it or not. Why else do your eyes linger over those lithe, muscled masculine frames in the art? At least *we* aren't in denial, darling.

>>54383285
You really are retarded. If you have not discovered mage supremacy by now then i cba explaining it to you.

>>54383543
>replying to a nine hour old post
I'm glad you got to have your say, anon.

>>54383478
But it's not their choice, they're mentally ill; it's like saying schizos chose to hear the voices

>>54379459
>>54379525
>>54379363

Why are you guys so sore about selling ass? Don't hate on the rentboys just because not even a paying punter will fuck you, guy.

>>54383574
They're saying that selling ass is the least faggy of the three.

>>54383555

Well, aren't you a limp-wristed asshole.

>>54379888
>tfw M20 will most likely be replaced by a new edition before Brucatto ever completes the schedule

Holy fuck the autism levels are high again.

We established that Mages are pretty much/r9k/ the splat. Let them have their powerwanking. Magefags have enough shit to deal with IRL.

Not autistic enough

>>54380171
Well, people ARE the same all over...

>>54380187
Jealousy? my, my.

>>54383562
Mage supremacy what? It's a thing in CofD but less so in OWoD.

>>54383395
The amnesia that comes from burning cover combined with likely getting the rest of the party killed by bringing Hunter Angels down on them, mostly rules it out as an option, unless the Demon player is retarded.

>>54380424
Okay, but how much of a free pass can you give someone for "personal issues" before it gets ridiculous?

>>54380476
If you think this shit is professional, you obviously don't have a real job. No other job in any industry would let a person avoid all responsibility for the forseeable future over vague "personal issues" - they would simply be replaced.

>>54380666
>When it comes to quality or quantity, I prefer quality

you seem to have hit "post" before you typed this necessary disclaimer;

>...(assuming the books actually get written at all and I don't just get strung along by a cynical game company looking to cash in on my brand loyalty, of course!)

>>54383694
>>54383718
>"Hey boss I have stage 4 ass cancer, I need to take some time off writing my wizard book to get that sorted out."
>"Well you better tell the whiny faggots on /tg/ before you go, they'll get mad triggered if they don't know exactly why the delay is happening"

>>54380717
>Art - Approval - Editing - Layout - Final Approval

Hey, come on man - Phil Brucatto cuts out at least three of those to get the release out on time.

>>54380723
Here, have some coffee and kek and sit by the fire.

It's very good kek, it's a chocolate kek, just to die for, by the way we launched missiles at ....somewhere, I wasn't listening.

>>54380736
You are so gay for him, dude. Buy him flowers or something, tell him how you feel. Hiding it behind all this anger and aggression is no good for your blood pressure.

>>54380748
>that's not bait, THIS is bait!

>>54380807
>I cannot recognise OPP's incompetence when I see it, and that is EVERYONE ELSE's FAULT

>>54383756
While you have ass cancer we will hire a temp to do your job for you until you return.

>>54380832
>expecting a game company that pocketed thousands in Kickstarter proceeds to actually release the games they promised is rabid and demanding

Stop talking. Close your device. Go away. I fear you may embarrass yourself further.

>>54380926
I'll have to remember that line for my bankruptcy proceedings, you dumb fuck.

Someone is angry

>>54383810
Isn't that exactly what's being done for Dark Eras?

>>54381637
Maybe you should stop, take some deep breaths, and suck my dick while you calm down.

>>54381639
last tuesday should do it.

>>54382046
Not as much as the Wraith cookbook.

>take one Thrall
>pulp in a Relic blender
>strain through a Relic sieve
>serve Corpus chilled in a highball Relic glass
>consume while it's still moaning!

>>54382092
How often we hate what we secretly want to fuck..... denial is not just the place Osiris' remains were scattered upon, clearly.

>>54383670
>amnesia that comes from burning cover
Huh, didn't remember that. I never really "got" the Cover though. Cover seems so confusing to me that it keeps me from liking DtD.
>rest of the party killed by bringing Hunter Angels down on them
I doubt they would care much about the party, God-Machine isn't THAT keen n keep masquerade.

>>54382247
So fuck off and play something else. I won't fucking miss you. No-one will.

>>54383933
You are telling 50% of the players to fuck off. GG

>>54383281
>>54383319

So let's hear your suggestion. Oh, you don't have one? What a surprise. How does it feel knowing you're incapable of contributing to a conversation?

>>54383408
Pfft, no, you fucking cowardly pussy. I lived nearly 2 years of my life in an institution. You sound like one of those lily-livered little bitches that spent their whole first night paranoid and raving because the medication-resistant schizophrenics won't stop screaming.

You're obviously too weak and spineless to play WoD games if you're afraid of a fucking tranny. Maybe Monsterhearts might be more your speed, sweetheart? Or Toon? If you can't take Thorazine like a man I'm not fucking interested in your softcock opinions.

>>54383998
More demon like build your body, less faggotry. There a better Beast game.

>>54383459
So fucking what? Trump supporters are literally fucking delusional, as well as being "socially acceptable". At least if those fat redneck fucks cut off their genitals and wore dresses we could go dancing.

>>54383568
Oh, I go through the whole thread and reply to posts as I go. It never fails to piss people like you off, so I guess I win again.

>>54383998
>durr maybe I shat on your plate but at least I produced something

How does it feel to be a retard?

>>54383562
>If you have not discovered mage supremacy by now then i cba explaining it to you.

Oh, thank Gaia for that. If I had to put up with another circle jerk on that topic I can honestly say I'd rather be on tumblr.

>>54384061
>muh drumpfffffffff

You're so obsessed with that guy you have to bring him up in every conversation

>>54383588
>thinks there's a wrist in his asshole, comparatively "stronger" than others

And whose strong, thick wrist is lodged inside your asshole right now, closet boy?

>>54384111

What the fuck is your problem, bitch cunt?

>>54383756
Oh wow, you shelled out for a copy of the Big Book of False Equivalencies!

If a writer had stage 4 cancer, they would be replaced. The term "personal difficulties" is a euphemism for anything from relationship troubles, to declining mental health, to addiction, and none of those are a good enough reason for a company to completely abandon a profitable game line for the foreseeable future, no matter how badly you dress like Judy Garland and click your fucking heels together in the mirror, Chad.

This thread is gloriously full of Down syndrome

>>54383969
And nothing of value was lost. There will be a whole new wave of players lured by other media soon, to wash the stain of a bunch of grown men crying about "big mean sidebars" away from this hobby.

>>54384091
....is what you say every morning when you look in the mirror, we know. You still haven't told us your big game pitch, Brucatto.

>>54384130
My problem is that you obviously are in denial about how badly you want to gargle another man's cum, and you're projecting that anger and frustration onto the board. We're here to talk about games, Chad, not your repressed sexual fantasies. Try and keep your aggressive gay come-ons and veiled requests for rough trade to a minimum.

>>54384147
Is that why you came here, to be with your own kind?

>>54384103
Only another three and a half years to go, then. With luck you might even get another book for Mage before I fixate on the new guy.

>>54384177

Wait, I thought you were the faggot here?

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>>54384130
>It's a little bit funny
>this feeling inside
>it's not a thing I can easily hide
>I don't have much money
>and boy, if I did
>I'd hire a thug to kill you
>you godless Yid

>>54384202
Yes, I'm speaking to him one cum-guzzling queen to another. Really, all that boy needs is a good plow in the ass, his frustration is obvious. You don't even need gaydar anymore, just Grindr.

The way you guys project all over the place, "faggots" this, "fag" that.... it's pretty obvious that a lot of you aren't being honest about how attractive you find a decent, big, hard cock.