First they came for WHFB, and I did not speak out— Because

redshirts have been in GW stores for ages newfag

>>54349675
He's not talking about redshirts, idiot.
He's talking about 40k 8e aka. SIGMMAAAHR IN SPEEEEHHS

>>54348696
>LotR still on shelves
Tme travelling scum

>>54350000
Eh. GW died when they closed the mail-order service and went finecast.

>>54350000
CHECKED

>>54350108
/thread

>>54350000

Fantasy was worth saving. 40k isn't . Actually, I think 8e is an improvement.

>>54350396
So they died when they quit the 90s? Are you retarded?

AoS was the right decision.

I'm totally serious, btw.

>>54350624
>GW does things 10 years later than everyone else

Figures.

>>54351065
Horrible execution, though.

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>>54351065
>killing its bread and butter with a solid fanbase for something entirely new and untested
>the right decision

>>54351356
This
>well, 40k was WHF in space, so it's obvious we need to make AoS 40k in fatasy
Seriously, AoS lore is like 40k and Planescape had a child with down syndrome.

>>54351364
fantasy hadn't been it's bread and butter for at least a decade, maybe more. 40k had been king of gw long before aos

>>54351364
>fantasy
>bread and butter
No one has ever played fantasy.

>>54351065
You're right
The end times wasn't, tho

>>54351400
>AoS lore is like 40k and WoW had a child with down syndrome.
This shit have nothing common with Planes philosophy

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>>54351065
What really pissed me off was that I hadn't played in ages and the the end times happened. The end times got me so pumped for WHFB only for them to dash my hopes quite expertly. we were buying codexes and rule books and getting real pumped picking out armys and falling into the worlds biggest trap

>>54351065
Miniature gameswise, your probably right.

But I enjoy the Old World as a setting too much. It lends itself well to RPGs. Fortunately, Cubicle 9 is coming out with a proper WHFRP edition.

And faggots with no taste can get the AoS RPG and never play it because of how stupid the setting is.

>>54352849
I already have the 2nd Ed whfrp book, so I could care less about cubicle7's edition. I am really interested however in the AoS one. The setting needs more definition and exploration, and the RPG is a great way to get that.

>>54351462
>he didn't start with Fantasy and never touched 40kids
Plebians.

>>54353451
>I am really interested however in the AoS one.
Try Planescape or Spelljammer
>The setting needs more definition and exploration
Yes like FFG did with 40k right? Oh wait, they focused on their own sector.
The point: GW will never allow them to touch any importnat piece of fluff.

>>54354307
Not interested in planescape or spelljammer.

Even if the whole book concentrates on one mortal realm, that still provides a lot of definition for lore fans to chew on. Even the ffg 40k RPGs provided a lot of development on some worlds and the way life is for individuals of the setting, even though they stayed in a sector. We are expecting the same.

AoS has a lot of potential, and this RPG is something we fans have been asking for.

>>54350624
They died when they went public in 2004. That's when they sold out. Follow the people, not the brand, bro.

>>54350000
this

>>54351065
I agree absolutely. It's just the fluff which pissed off the grognards.

Fortunately there were hardly any players left anyway.
Unfortunately they still won't shut the fuck up about it as if there's anything they can change by inventing their own wonderful headcanon

>>54351065
Killing Tomb Kings wasn't.

>>54348696
Robert? Is that you?
What are you doing away from the Kinoplex?

>>54350416
40k doesn't need saving dipshit

>>54354545
>Not interested in planescape or spelljammer.
>AoS has a lot of potential,
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

GW hasn't made anything worth anyone's time on the tabletop since Necromunda. Their games are flaming dogshit and I haven't seen a setting stagnate this bad since Dr. Who....Sorry guys, too soon?

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>>54358198
I don't know what everyone if crying about, 40K did just get saved?

Pic related.
All praise Rick Priestly.

>>54361468
By the time the home brews get done working this over we might even have a playable tabletop role playing game.

>>54361468
>Pic related.
Kill Team 2.0 without Kill Team variety

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>>54351065
Yes, I am still mad. Everyone with any creativity or taste left GW a long time ago.

>>54361670
alternatively - Necromunda 3.0 with less variety but even more Spees Muhreens

>>54351400
I would have enjoyed fantasy retooled to 40k style of games, but they gutted the setting and introduced those god awful signarines, so I'm not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole.

>>54354307
>>54361393
The Slav's going back and forth between liking AoS and not is quite jarring, don't you think guys?

>>54362822
The slav is a warmachine player that hates the main competitor of fantasy games and doesn't particularly care which edition or version.
Pity that warmachine decided to commit suicide

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>>54351065

>>54348696
I already lost Fantasy, so I don't care about any of you.

>>54362967
Ah, so approaching the situation the exact same way you approached fantasy I see

>>54362979
Nah, GW killed Fantasy themselves by being Jewish and writing the rules to favor hordes, reducing model count per box, and increasing price. It became basically impossible to talk new blood into the game even if you got them pumped about the setting, because they'd look at that clusterfuck of a price tag and then think about all the assembly, trimming, and painting and just opt for something else or the RPG.

Which is fine, the RPG is good and getting a new RPG that is based on 2e. And with titles like Vermintide, TWW, Mordheim, and MoW:Corsair, we might get a decent foothold in the vidya, too.

>>54362373
Looks like something an 8 year old would draw

>>54363049
People often cherrypick that as the standard for AoS art because it is the literal worst piece that they've put out. Literally everything else I've seen is better

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>>54363190
Not really.

>>54363190
All the maps look like that

>>54363224
No, even that one manages to be better, due to a lack of awkward scale, blatantly copy/pasted things, and fucked perspective

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>>54363190
Yeah, it's just cherrypicking. It's not like GW's design team is creatively bankrupt at all.

>>54363234
They don't it's just that no one bothers to ever post them since they don't actually want anything other than to have their opinions proven right

>>54363275
The only visually impressive art they have released is the Aether dwarf stuff.

>>54363274
what are the Jagtooth forts protecting exactly? Is there an army across the Vitriolus reach waiting to cross and invade the Brimstone Peninsula?

Why invade the Brimstone peninsula when said army only has to travel in any other direction and find virgin land in this infinite realm? wtf, why do I have such a hard time making sense of the Age of Sigmar Universe?

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>>54363049
It's more like interns in this case. It's the surest path for a cheap cashgrab. Even an amateur could make a better map than this for a RPG or whatnot. They just didn't care because their fans will buy anything they make.

>>54350089

Its making a comeback man. get hyped!

Going to get a new rulebook later this year / early next year. slight tweeks and the name is re-branding to Battle games of Middle Earth or something like that.

forge wrold making sexy as fuck iron hills dwarves and trolls n shit.

Strong rumor that GW will be bringing back most of the OOP units to the webstore. Meaning people can afford them rather then pay $10 a pop for OOP metals.

My wallet is on standby to be mailed to the UK. working overtime when its offered to beef up funds as well.

Now is the time to start running demo games for game groups.

>>54363321
You're invading the place to remove chaos. This place has chaos.

>>54351364

Space marines are the bread and butter man.

Space marines outsold the entire fantasy line. JUST space marines.

Granted they account for several factions within 40k. but still. like 1/3 of 40k outsold the entire fantasy line.

>>54363318
Which just so happens to be the last thing they released before the new edition of 40k

>>54363321
>Hey guys, why don't we fortify the delta so we can stop anyone from using the waterways?
>Nah fuck that, let's put out forts here for Khorne.
Chaos isn't often the thinking sort, so it is lore friendly I suppose.

>>54362382

Its Necromunda without the gangs and enforcers... so not Necromunda at all.

>>54363361
And that is a giant skull pyramid. Albeit missing it's capstone

>>54363361
haha, I'll buy that. but where does this region get its food? How do you feed the garrisons at the Jagtooth forts with their is no farming or serfs? surely chaos warriors need to eat.

>>54363399
Magic dude

>>54363399
Khorne bloodbound are all cannibals

>>54363411
worshippers of khorne hate magic

>>54363412
this makes the most sense, but once again no serfs. they cant eat themselves otherwise their army would disappear like in a month

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>>54363339
Jesus, I was gonna say that this is WoW-tier, but even WoW isn't THIS bad!

>>54363434
IIRC, even in fantasy the actual chaos warriors (Not marauders) could subsist solely on fuckall due to chaos mutations or whatever. So the higher ranking bloodbound wouldn't need to eat and the rest would just eat literally anything that wasn't them nearby. Despite looking like a barren wasteland, this IS a fantasy realm, so it's probably teeming with all sorts of fiery monsters

>>54363434
Chaos is literally magic including khorne checkmate atheists

I would've gotten into a "redone, simplified" WHFB if they hadn't killed the fluff. That made no sense to me.

>>54363466
>so it's probably teeming with all sorts of fiery monsters
yea, i thought that too. Like maybe they fish and eat the giant sea creatures but then I checked the map and there are no ports

>>54363488
my man not all chaos is magic

>>54363479
Its soooo bad fuck. Not even early warhammer was this bad

>>54363479
God damn the new digital art looks bad. It's present in 40K as well. If only these guys embraced Blanche instead of making everything super clean.

>>54363495
>not all Chaos is magic
Get a load of this mortal

>>54363511
Digital art is the new standard unfortunately. It's fucking everywhere now

>>54363495
Well they clearly can get food from somewhere seeing as they're not nomadic. Or at least these ones aren't.

>>54363350

Vanilla outsold fantasy.

>>54363644
Apparently near the end paints outsold fantasy

>>54363656
>yfw WHFB players bought paints to finish their backlogs and thereby directly caused their own squatting

>>54363681
Fucking kek

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8th Edition is great and basically everything I wanted from 40k.

>>54363704

Shutup bananaman!

>>54363704
>tfw my custodes are like the real custodes and have barely seen a single battle.

>>54363644

Yeah. But a box of nilla tac marines could be used for any faction of SM.

Nilla, BA, DA with ease. and any self respecting wolf players has a heaping bag full of wolf bits to slap on them so even they could use them. its the same for any nilla marine unit and tank.

>>54363704


So am i the only one who runs a hobby knife over the downside edges of bases? There is a nasty little lip there that i have found makes the painton the base flake off much easier.

Its nothing crasy. just enough to put a bevel on the edge of the base and round it over.

also...
>dat single hair of static grass sticking to the base

>>54348696

R... REEEE

GW IS GREAT PBUH

YOU WILL DIE IN THE BOWEL OF A MOTHERLESS CAMEL YOU FILTHY INFIDEL REEE

$85 IS A PERFECTLY REASONABLE PRICE FOR ONE BIG DUMB SUPER-SPACE MARINE THAT LOOKS LIKE A MONKEY REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54363511
It's cheap is why they did it.

>>54363018
Yeah, prior to 8th edition and even going in to 8th the playerbases seemed decently solid with just the typical "why has it been 6 years since my codex was updated?" type gripes. Then the end times/supplement spam happened, tournaments became nothing but hordes of expensive infantry, and model releases started to be kind of weird.

I think the biggest error GW ever did was take Grimdark seriously. It's like the guys that do something ironically but then end up embracing that thing - GW is that guy.

AoS had some good ideas game wise, though with weak execution. The setting will hopefully be revived through video games and maybe new books that take place prior to end times garbage.

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>>54363768
>dat single hair of static grass sticking to the base
It's gone now nigga that shit was taken like immediately after I finished putting them together.

Also I scraped that little bit off plasic off the base later on. DW I noticed it too. I ain't no quadruplenigger.

>>54363339
Sure, the 10% of playerbase left after the end times and AoS messes.

>>54363834
That's bad. A fractional number of people and they still outsell your game

>>54363791
>waaah grimdark hurts my fee fees
Enough. Not every setting has to be a wow le epic reddit memes setting.

>>54363774
>Giant Robo Donkey Kong Primaris Titan

Fund it.

>>54363768
I don't paint my base rims I just leave them black and spray matte on them.

>>54363884

Those maps weren't released in the current period of solid sales. 8th was a revival attempt after the company largely neglected a bulk of the line for about a decade.

It's not my game at any rate, it's GWs. They tanked the revenue on that game. But sure, them having codexes one to two editions out of date before trying to make any real use of the IP was my fault.

>>54364138
Well, you can blame the former CEO for that. Even though AoS came out at around the same time Kirby stepped down, it didn't happen in a day and had likely been something that he okayed years ago.

>>54364174

I was commenting on how obviously not every 'fan will buy whatever they make' because in 8th and beginning of AoS there was a mass drop off.

I don't know why there's all this blame shifting. Fans buying anything wasn't incentive for them putting out shitty maps, cost cutting measures were. WHFB playerbase didn't die because fans weren't hardcore enough, it died because of shitty management. AoS is doing well now because the fields were fallow and the Generals Handbook gave us actual rules to play rather than 'lol gentlemens agreement', and that was the major reason for AoS not doing well initially(a lot of players tried to come back at the beginning of AoS in my state but there wasn't a reasonable way to do tournaments or progression leagues...long running GTs had to adopt 9th age or Kings of War, but most players just switched).

>>54351364

>Solid fanbase

>didn't buy anything
>used the models they bought 15 years ago
>didn't play in stores

It's worth reiterating, confirmed by multiple LGS owners and even a few GW stores that paint and paintbrushes sold more than WFB

>waah, why they killed my game??????

>>54363999
Grimdark is absolutely solid in 40k, the problem was letting that focus bleed in to the other setting as much as it did. It was apparent that it wasn't what the fanbase wanted in the storms of chaos campaign when orc players didn't want to help chaos - because orcs aren't chaos, they're goofy savages that just want to WAAAAGH! - and GW had to skip chaos a bunch to get them to their prewritten endgame. This is clear proof GW had largely lost touch with their WHFB fanbase.

This isn't about what I like personally. I've always just pushed squigs and fanatics out to create a mess and see how things turned out, and GW hasn't let me down. The largest fan forums in WHFBs heyday though were the O&G, Empire, Ulthuan, Druchii, and then probably a tie between skaven and wood elves. Not the stuff they were pushing in 7th ed.

The thing is that with the old world they had a slew of settings within settings, they could have pushed books and games of several parts and it wouldn't have interrupted nor needed to interact with the grim dark stuff happening in the north. They largely neglected that though. They didn't provide products(that wouldn't have ruined artistic vision) to customers that wanted it. That's a business foul in any reasonable book.

>>54348696
I don't play GW period.

>>54364755
This is the correct option. Way too many good alternatives.

>>54363350

I know marines are the best sellers of 40k but what follows them? What are the best selling xenos?

>>54364895
Based on nothing more than what I see and hear, I'd say Tau, then maybe Necrons. Maybe Orks.

>>54364895

Tau and Imperial Knights. You can tell just by looking at Forge World.

>>54364408
>do fuck all marketing, give no incentive to buy more and inflate the prices further
>W-why aren't they buying anything?

>>54363729
Mine too. I want proper rules for them badly.

>>54362373
oooooo, gloom gate. scary.

AoS has shit backgr-

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/17/gemmell-awards-warbeast/

>>54364734
Crazy thing is the old world was so full of awesome stuff and they never capitalized on any of it. By far the biggest failure of GW was not pushing cosmopolitan collection habits. I mean their model was "push an army, give them advantageous rules, hope people jump on the band wagon", which is shit because no one wants to drop 500$ on an army every month. What they should have done was push smaller games that encouraged diversifying your collection range, like one month have rules for a tomb kings pyramid raid where one player runs a group of treasure hunters and another plays tomb kings in a game that involves about 10-20 models per side, and then next month do a goblin raid on a village that the local militia has to defend against, and so on. You want to encourage players to buy and collect EVERYTHING but at a rate that doesn't burn them out.

>>54363190
Or even 40k is this bad now because GW is too cheap to pay good artists for more than a codex cover image.

>>54348696
>The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.
Serves you right 40k fags. Now I ll just sit enjoy the burning while it is our turn to point and laugh.

>>54364408
>>didn't buy anything
>top-4 in US retailers before ET
>confirmed by multiple LGS owners and even a few GW stores that paint and paintbrushes sold more than WFB
[link needed]
>>54367113
>Solar Macharius on the page background
>AoS

>>54348696
GW... managing their own properties, changing my favourite bits

HOW DARE THEY!

>>54367981
I bet you get apepissed when they close the server of wather shit you play online...

>>54368008
...Its taken me a while, but I have finally forgiven Mplayer for dropping Mechwarrior 2

Seriously though; things change. GW is being assaulted by numerous IPs, minature companies and other hobbies. The Kicking Fantasy Flight must be giving them with Xwing

Adapt or Die

>>54368197
>GW is being assaulted by numerous IPs, minature companies and other hobbies.
Lolwut?

>>54363434
They're like rats, they eat each other and breed and eat each other.

>>54363339
>>54363224
>>54362373
>>54363274
I've been out of the WHFB loop for a few years so I have to ask this isn't official art, is it?

This looks like done by a high schooler and one with a very limited imagination.

Is this some sort of clever ruse?

>>54368366
It's all official art. It constitutes what is actually a good setting according to AoS fans, but I just don't see it.

>>54368197
>GW is being assaulted by numerous IPs, minature companies and other hobbies.
Leave it to a GW victim to exhibit this level of siege mentality.

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>>54348696
>ITT: Delusional fantasyfags are more hurt for 8 edition that the people that actually plays 40k

Could it be more pathetic?

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>>54368366
It's official art.

>>54368197
They're not adapting, though, just dying. They unironically don't recognize why X-Wing is kicking their ass.

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>>54350000
>tfw you see quads wasted on some idiot's bait

>>54365050
>You can tell just by looking at Forge World.
??

>>54370002
I still cringe after years

>>54362373
Burning Blood Bridge?

Seriously?

Burning Blood Bridge?

I halfway expected to find the Eye of Argon among that mess!

>>54362373
>>54363224
>>54363274
>>54363339

I still have no clue how this shit works. A bunch of landmasses floating into cosmos settled by various races or what?

>>54372459
No need to think about it, they have magical portals connecting everything.

>>54363018
>Rewriting the rules to favor hordes and increasing price.
So 8e 40k in other words. Joy.

>>54361483
we do

>>54370137
It's stupid and silly for sure, but the objective was to liven the games up, that was just the wrong direction to take
They get one point for trying, but lose a point for being retarded faggots

>>54374112
Yeah, I can just imagine the hordes of neckbeards going through the moves mechanically again and again, with dead and hollow eyes. That would have helped the game for sure

>>54374301
"Fine, for the Lady. Was that enthusiastic enough for my re-roll?"

"Hmm, I dunno, you seem to be faking it."

"Screw you, sperglord!"

"Ha, I made you angry! I get my Elf bonus for being a smug prick!"

>>54374112
No. They had older editions to take inspiration for silly and stupid shit.

Here they simply did not understand their consumers, they still do not understand them.

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>>54362373
>>54363224
>>54363274
>>54363339
>>54363479
>Skullheaps
>Rain of Corpses
>Bleak Keep
>Mordacious Sound
>Blood Geysers
>Remains of the Yewood

Age of Shitmar fags will literally defend this

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>>54363321
>>54374692
>Blood
>Gore
>Skull
>Bone
>Wrath
>Corpse
>Dark

Feed these into a thesaurus, then add a normal geographic name (chasm, bay, hills, forest, plains, desert, etc., bonus for using CITADEL as often as possible) and congratulations! You are now qualified to join the ranks of the unpaid hindu interns that create AoS fluff

>>54374824
New DeathGuard lore
Noun power!

When shit like "Sword Brother" sound more interesting, you have failed hard.

>>54363742
Plus they were a good source of bits for deffskullz players who wanted loads of ardboyz and chaos players who wanted to field recent renegades.

>>54374336
The only difference I see is that the link between rules abuse and players being shitty to each other about it is now in written.

>>54365050
Does FW gives sales data now?

>>54379398

They used to list their top 10 sellers, (it's usually some kind of 30k Dreadnought and 30k power armor, along with whatever Apocalypse sized titan is FotM like Tau'nar or Warlord Titan, along with Hive Tyrant Devourers), and GW lists it as well.

But it's moreso that you can see Riptides and Knights are always on GW's top seller list, and FW actually makes extra Knight and Riptide variants, alongside tons of marine shit, so you know the big sellers are marines, Riptides, and Knights. Otherwise FW would be making more stuff for other good sellers.

>>54351364
40k was GWs primary product for most of the life of the company I always found it strange that 50% of the any GW store was occupied by a product that constituted maybe 1 game out of 10 played in the same store at the very best of times.

I can see why they wanted to shitcan the product, it had awful sales and nobody played it, but at the same time the launch of AoS was executed extraordinarily badly. I don't think there's very much talent at GW right now, so even when they get the right idea of "We really need to relaunch fantasy as something people will actually buy and play" they don't have the ability to pull it off properly.

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>>54379452
>But it's moreso that you can see Riptides and Knights are always on GW's top seller list, and FW actually makes extra Knight and Riptide variants, alongside tons of marine shit, so you know the big sellers are marines, Riptides, and Knights. Otherwise FW would be making more stuff for other good sellers.

Can't blame 'em. FW tides are pretty sweet

>>54379702

Y'vahra was here

R'varna a shit

>>54379649
>I don't think there's very much talent at GW right now

All the talent is in Jes Goodwin and the FW studio. I guess the guys who made 8E are decent. Or if it's the same chucklefucks who made 6E and 7E, they finally got a clue.

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>>54379783
I like the "head" of that one, has a neat different aesthetic. As long as FoC doesn't squat them all, I'll wanna buy them someday

>>54351065
The good news is we got Total Warhammer though, right? No need to build an army and find a store when you can fight online.

Or offline.

>>54379934

Total Warhammer II is going to come out soon.

>>54379953
Then the DLC, then the freeLC, then TWH III.

>>54363339
>Jew elf low pools

>>54363361
Before Warhammer went belly up, Khorne was still the God of War, not just mindless derp. Tactical and Strategic considerations would very much have been a part of it. Chaos not being thinky types is part of why nu-Warhammer being so shit.

>>54381576
Nice headcanon, anon.

>>54381626
Not really headcanon. Khornath has also tangented into things like 'duty' and 'justice' with his whole being the opposite aspect in duality of slaneesh and the dark prince's dominion over stuff like hedonism and abuse.

>>54362373
>>54363224
>>54363274
>>54363339
Fuck me. These look like they were drawn by Rob Liefeld retarded English cousin.

>>54381423
>Jew-Elf

Aren't they called, like, "Eldrobirim" or some shit now, for copyrighting purposes?

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>>54381748

They look like the guy who drew them was simultaneously 3D-sculpting these with his other hand

>>54370002
Jesus fucking christ.

People play this shit?

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>>54381723
It's headcanon. I have the 2th ED "Realm of Chaos" Khorne page with me. You lied.

>>54367113
'Uh, hey, anons, could you give me a basic lore rundown on your AoS setting? I was just wondering-'
>Read the novels REEEEEEEEEE
'Yeah, the thing is, I was able to find out a shit-ton of information on 40k without doing that, so if you could just-'
>Read the novels REEEEEEEEEE
This has been every attempt to ask people about Sigmar's lore that I've ever made.
So yeah, knowing that the novel is well-written is nice, but no, it doesn't make Sigmar's lore accessible, which is apparently the biggest problem.
>Reminder that every edition of 40k, including the original, actually told you shit about the setting, it didn't just say 'here's guy one and then came guy two and THEY FIGHT!!!'

>>54382996
There is a wiki. The rulebooks and novels are free in the general. Why do you want people to spoonfed you? Are you not an adult?

>>Reminder that every edition of 40k, including the original, actually told you shit about the setting, it didn't just say 'here's guy one and then came guy two and THEY FIGHT!!!'

And now I know you are just being cunt.

>>54351584
>literally called end times
>books progressively fucked more and more shit up
>thought the game would survive

Why?

>>54382013
is that a mirrored image

>>54351065
>Axing Tomb Kings
>Axing Bretonnians
>Right decision

>>54374824
>bloodsecrator
>blood excretor
BRAVO
NOLAN

>>54384950
Kek

>>54382321
>The followers of Khorne treat Slaneesh worshippers as particular enemies. The two Powers personify entirely opposing concepts of the nature of Chaos.

And you try to tell me that deep khorne doesn't embody things that would be the opposite of Slaneesh. Ha! My proof is in your own trump image.