>"If you actually had a time machine and arrived in ancient

>>54317125
>tree sap is disgusting
You never had maple syrup?

>the world is more than 6,000 years old

>>54317125
nice proof fuck face

>>54317125

Um, until you acquire a taste for it. (I.E you drink it and get drunk enough times that you associate those pleasant feelings with the initial taste of the drink) all wine and beer is disgusting.

>>54317125
>It would taste somewhat like tree sap with a salty taste."
See, you say that it's gross, but all I can think of is how big salted caramel is today. People go nuts for the salty/sweet thing.

>>54317197
Underage detected

>>54317354
How does that make sense as an insult in this context? Like, if you're implying that anon is uneraged and hasn't yet acquired a taste for those things, that just supports his point.

>>54318038
Tastes mature as one gets older. Do you still enjoy the same things you liked as a ten year old?

>>54317197
t. Randall Munroe

>>54318080
t. Stockholm syndrom

>>54318121
And thank the gods for stockholm syndrome, because without it life would be utterly miserable.

>>54318168
>Thank the gods

Cringe

>>54317125
I recall reading somewhere that the original grapes that they used were very sweet, but that the type was wiped out.

>>54317197
you're wrong. There's lots of shitty beers and wines out there, you gotta find one that you like.

>>54317125
Well, the beer would not taste at all like modern day beer. Hop is a modern thing.

>>54317197
Yeah, no.

Back in college I thought that beer was disgusting and you needed to acquire a taste for it, too. I went years without drinking any beer at all, having only once or twice tried Budweiser and/or Miller and hating it. Then for a reason I can't remember I decided to give Abita Purple Haze a try.

Beer can and does taste good, you just have to find some beer that isn't complete shit. Most of the big name American and UK beers are complete shit. Find smaller batch stuff, it's usually decent.

>a knight in full plate would be cut to pieces by a Samurai Katana.

>>54318265
I'v tried a few Gruits and they're pretty good. Sadly it seems their revival was mostly a 2015 thing and they're hard to find currently.

There's hopless Goses but they're not quite the same

>>54317125
>you could just go around murdering and raping people back then

>>54317125
Lol and today you drink alcohol when your thirsty. t. a non drinking anon

>>54318080
>he says on a forum about traditional games

>>54318392
But you can taste things that are good without getting hooked on Alcohol.

>>54318514
No, he'd be pushed over by the samurai's graceful martial arts and be unable to stand up.

Skill and dignity over brutish power and unbalancing weight

>>54319279
>Hooked on alcohol.

Having a few pints of delicious beer isn't going to make you into an addict. What are you, 12?

>>54319324
And the reason you try and push booze on people is because deep down it makes you hate yourself that they don't need it as a crutch to enjoy themselves.

>>54317197
>all wine and beer is disgusting
t. low-test cuck

>>54317125
The wine would taste quite sweet. Because it's laced with lead.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/sugar-of-lead-a-deadly-sweetener-89984487/
>to sweeten wine, and the aristocratic segments of the population could toss back as much as two liters a day (about three bottles’ worth, although wine was usually diluted with water).

>>54318514
>All plate is made of high-grade steel.

C'mon anon. I'm the first to say samurais used rocket-launching muskets, but munition grade armor was a thing and not all knights could afford the good stuff.

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>>54319297
>samurai are skillfull and dignified
>knights are brutish, focus only on power, and their armor makes them unbalanced.

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>>54319340
Alcohol consumption lowers testosterone production.

YOU ARE THE ON THAT IS THE LOW TEST, BRAH!

>>54319419
>So brutish and unintelligent they don't even know how to hold their sword properly

>>54319427
Eh, to a degree, hopless stuff is less bad overall.

>>54319338
>>54319279
I wouldn't believe this guy was serious, but then I remembered Americans had prohibition.

Still, underage should get out.

>>54319454
Wait, how can you mention prohibition and then claim anyone who is against alcohol has to be younger than 18?

That's one hell of a logical disconnection has too much alcohol rotted your brain?.

>>54319338
Project much?

>>54318080
I've been enjoying cider since I was 12, I'm 28 now.

>>54319492
Prohibition was a retarded action.
Retards do not have an adult mind.
This includes many Americans.

It's not hard, r-tard.

>>54317197
I was the same as you, it was my first DnD playgroup where someone introduced me to Beavertown and I've been a disgusting craft beer dickhead ever since.

I do associate Neck Oil with playing my first character which is nice.

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>>54317125
>samurai hated guns because it was dishonorabu

>>54319552
>r-tard
The fuck? you scared to call someone a retard on 4chan? Its alright you can curse here, no need to try so hard to fit in.

>>54319580
And the autist doesn't know how rhyme works.
Why am I not surprised?

>>54317125
>thinks he can go back and bang a bunch of hot ancient women
>most of them ugly as fuck by modern standards
>hairy
>in the majority of places you go to, probably smells like shit and doesn't brush teeth

>>54319577
Well the guy who was famous for bringing guns into the picture was pretty infamous for being dishonorabu, so there's SOME basis in that

>>54319577
>katanas where made from high-grade steel
Japan din't have enough metal to make high grade swords. Why do you think they barely had any metal armor? All the metal had to be used for weapons. This was also the reason why katanas where folded so much. The steel was so shit, it needed to folded a hundred times to be effective.

>>54319580
No, he was making it fit the cadence of the sentence. "It isn't hard, R-tard" fits better than "It isn't hard retard" It puts the emphasis on the Ard in Hard and Tard.

>>54319577
Japan was the biggest producer of guns in the world in the 16th century. People forget that for some reason.

>>54319577
Oh shit, is that fucking furigana?

>>54319620
Because the rhyme was so shitty.

>go back in time
>die of dysentery

>>54319656
>>54319620
>>54319580
>>54319552
Autists calling autists autists.

>>54319707
Just get your future inoculations before jumping back in time, like when you are travelling to a country where the water is a bit funny and the people a little bit brown.

>>54318080
1. You're still proving his point.
2. You're on the wrong board and the wrong site for asking that question.

>>54319443
>>So brutish and unintelligent they don't even know how to hold their sword properly
Those are how you hold a sword if you want to hurt some one wearing full plate with it.

>>54317197
>all wine and beer is disgusting.
take this (you), mudslime sandnigger

>>54317125
Yeah anon, I'm sure they did just fine before germ theory, pasteurization, or the use of hops and sulfates. I'm just as certain that the discovery that yeast was a living thing (which didn't happen until the 1860's) had absolutely no effect on the industry, and that every single brewer in Rome carefully controlled their ferments, especially during those hot Mediterranean summers.
>>54317167
>>54317262
It wasn't maple syrup, though. It was pine resin.

>>54318255
>you gotta find one that you like
>YOU GOTTA
Why? What happens if I don't? Is it illegal to not drink alcohol?
If so, is there any way I can sample EVERY type of alcohol in the world in one sitting and be sure which one is for me, or do I have to spend my entire life buying bottle after bottle after bottle and throwing them all away after one taste, on the off chance I randomly find the correct one?
At some point after tasting 100+ types of alcohol I'm just not interested anymore.

>>54319863
>It wasn't maple syrup, though. It was pine resin.
I've had hopless spruce beer. That stuff is pretty good.

>>54317197
Speak for yourself. I liked beer the first time I had it, and that wasn't even getting drunk, just one drink with dinner.

>>54319924
Which was totally what we were talking about, right?

>>54319646
Japanese armor was metal, though. It's a complete myth that samurai armor was wooden, it was actually lacquered metal plates, lamellar style.

>>54319338
>HELLO I AM A WALKING PSA BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE SCARE TACTICS ENGINEERED BY BUSYBODIES PLEASE TAKE MY OPINION SERIOUSLY

Sure thing sport. "Your" opinions matter.

>>54320071
You actually seem triggered.

>>54320096
>now projection

Ok, sluggerino.

>>54318392
How can I figure out which type of beer in the one for me, WITHOUT drinking every type of beer in the world? I need a non-random way to narrow down the options.

>>54319894
It's fine if you don't like it but you ar projecting if you think everyone has your problem.

>>54320125
I suppose by figuring out what non-beer things you like and getting someone to recommend a beer that either tastes like those things or pairs well with them.


If you like Gamey burgers like bison, venison, or boar try splashing them with some Moosehead for example. (May work with normal burgers too, haven't tried it that way yet.)

>>54319646
Hory shit, you're an idiot. They had metal armour. Their steel was perfectly fine once they got it to the point where it was used to make things, it just took more effort because they weren't pulling sweet ass metal nugs from the ground.

>>54319646
Bait

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>>54320125
>How can I figure out which type of beer in the one for me, WITHOUT drinking every type of beer in the world?

Does this help?

Seriously though, take beer as a whole and start lopping off limbs.

Try a bitter (hoppy) beer. Don't like it? Lop off IPAs and imperial stouts.
Try a lager. Don't like it? Lop off all the pilsners and their comrades.
So too with "British-style" ales (ESB, porters..)
So too with "fruit beers"
So too with wheat beers
So too with stouts
So too with the Belgians

Find representative beers. A single beer can give you a pretty good idea of what you're in for in a given style, or even a constellation of styles.

>>54320115
No really>>54320071
was disproportionately harsh.

>>54319492
Alcohol can't cause permanent brain damage, dumbass.

>>54320273
There are other bitter types that aren't specifically hoppy.

>>54320303
Actually, it can but you'd need a borderline lethal amount.

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>>54318392

>Abita Purple Haze

My nigga

>>54319427
Wait, what?

>>54319358
Do you really think any sword could slice through metal armor?

>>54319762
>1. You're still proving his point.

Not really. Our tastes do change as we grow older, and it has nothing to do with the association process anon there claimed.

>>54320291
Not that guy, but the guy he was mocking does seriously sound like a PSA.

>>54319427
sXe is the original X card

>>54320959
>it has nothing to do with the association process

It's the parasites inside us. They change our bodies; make us want to eat what they want to eat. These parasites grow stronger as we age.

>>54319340
>>54320693

Hops contain of chemical that mimics the hormone estrogen that in this case, specifically help and develop the growth of breasts, so much so that if you ever see breast growth pills- their main ingredient is usually hops.

>>54319193
Kek. Underrated.

>>54320273
where's the "I have no idea lmao" column?

>>54321211
I mean they gotta super concentrate it, but yea I generally avoid hoppy beer for that.

>>54317125
In medieval England taverns and inns where you could rent a room were rare outside of large cities. Usually a traveller would pay a peasant to share his bed (no homo).

>>54321211
Which is why faggot hipsters love IPAs

>>54317125
>doesn't taste like rotten grapes and lead poisoning

Obviously confused.

>>54317197
This is true

If I drink I have to load it up with sugar to make it bearable.

For the most part I just plain well don't drink.

>>54320055
>samurai armor was wooden
i have literally never ever heard that. Its always been metal plates or some kind of weird tunic thing that has plates sewn in or some kind of padded armor

>>54317197
For that matter coffee by itself is also disgusting, and tea tastes little different from slightly flavoured expensive water.

This shit's all meme drinks, but normies are addicted to the drug content and lie to themselves and others about the taste. These drinks don't taste good. You drink alcohol to get high. You drink coffee and tea to get high. Stop lying to yourselves, normies.

You want a real drink?
It's called water.

>>54321490
Lead has a sweet taste

>>54321543
Shit with alcohol is good because it kills shit

>>54321543
>coffee by itself is also disgusting
Nigger, I'll fucking cut you. Black coffee is delicious. If you put sugar in it, you're not welcome in my house.

>>54321580
It's not delicious, it's bitter. Which is your body trying to tell you that it's poisonous.

>>54321580
What if I throw a little cream in there?

>>54321211

Oh God, I drank a bunch of these:

>At 11% ABV with calculated theoretical IBUs of 533 the Monster is NOT to be messed with. Pummeled with 11 lbs/bbl of hops there’s little doubt ‘Messie’ is the hoppiest beer to ever have been brewed in this country. Brewed with hop pellets as well as whole hops throughout each stage of the brewing process the beer is a testament to just how wonderful these glorious flowers can be – it’s been mash-hopped, 1st wort-hopped, hop-bursted and dry-hopped (again and again) with more hops stuffed in there wherever I could fit them.

Explains the budding breasts.

>>54321617
>Explains the budding breasts.
How big are they?

>>54321656

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>>54319443
>>54319297
Please tell me this is trolling. I think I'm autistic and I take most things written in text as sincere so please please please tell me you are trolling me right now

>>54317125
>Memes about the ancient world that need to be put to rest.
The whole "Greek statues were painted" thing, not because I don't believe it but because the "this is what they would have looked like" pictures are always so horribly done. It's like they expect me to believe that the (arguably) greatest sculptors ever came to painting their masterpieces and went "sure, whatever, let's let the local kids have some fun with it, who cares."

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>>54321815

How does this make you feel?

>>54320927
Not any.

Depends on the alloy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvqanOEiGho&t=6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFz7UeVm4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_CBcxzOFk

>>54321543

I must disagree here, tea is a perfectly good beverage even without caffeine content.

>>54320273
What even is "hoppy", besides the obvious "tastes like hops"? Do they write on the label if it's a "hoppy" beer or not?
I've taken prescription drugs for over 15 years that could kill me if mixed with alcohol. I don't know shit.

>>54321612
Hmm. That seems very unnatural. I'll merely call you a degenerate instead of a heretic.
>>54321604
I bet you hate spices too you dumb fool. What doesn't kill you likely tastes good in amount under the LD

>>54321803
You'd have to be literally autistic not to recognize such blatant satire. You should buy one of those blue hats.

Truly there are few things more annoying than teetotaler geeks. They combine the smug pretensions that come from considering the quality of their tastes to be derived from how far outside of the mainstream they are with the moralizing of preaching busybodies.

>>54322058

>Flavors and aromas are described appreciatively using terms which include "grassy", "floral", "citrus", "spicy", "piney", "lemony", "grapefruit", and "earthy".

> Certain ales (particularly the highly hopped style known as India Pale Ale, or IPA) can have high levels of hop bitterness

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>>54322058
>Do they write on the label if it's a "hoppy" beer or not?

The hoppiest beers tend to advertise their hoppiness--often with puns or imagery.

Some people like these sorts of beer from the start, for me it was a bit of an acquired taste.

>>54322150

Aversion is a form of attachment.
They must realize this.

>>54322058
a lot of beers have hops for flavor. It just adds bitterness to it that compliments the malted grain pretty well. IPAs that have grown pretty big in popularity on the craft brewing scene are fucking loaded with them, creating a really bitter beer. Anything that says IPA are implies it's like an IPA will be really hoppy.

Some will even be dry-hopped. This means that they added even more hops at some point in the fermentation process, rather than just when it's brewed.

>>54319632
No idea why you think they'd look ugly, and the hair and body odor are my fetishes. Just gotta get 'em to brush their teeth and rinse their assholes and we're in business.

>>54321543
>muh straight edge

What a boring faggot.

I'd tell you to kys but it just might make you interesting.

>>54321543
Tea is generally bland and fuck, but a well made cup of coffee is delicious.

I think you've just never learned how to eat bitter food.

>>54319427
Heil Hitler

>>54319338
super autist detected.

>>54322067
Caffeine has pretty high LD50, but that doesn't change that bitterness is a hint that you're eating poison and to stop eating it, and that coffee is bitter enough that most people have to mask it with cream and sugar.

By all means get high off your adrenaline drug, but don't pretend like you're not addicted to it or that coffee tastes good by itself.

>>54322369
>he doesn't enjoy bitter tastes

How's it feel being 12?

>>54322369
I can't decide if you're underage or just full blown autistic. Probably going to say both.

>>54321543
Fresh cold water is great and definitely the best for you, but c'mon.

Brewed drinks are great. Billions of people all over the world like them, and it's because they taste good. Otherwise there would just be one flavor of each or they would put the drug in liquid capsules and eliminate the middle man.

>>54322391
You're not supposed to enjoy bitterness.

If you went around eating everything in nature that tasted bitter you'd be dead before the end of the day.

>>54322410
so do you just drink water ? no fruit juice or fizzy drinks ?

>>54322410
>he doesn't enjoy the taste of shit
Fucking pussy.

>>54322410
>teleology

We're supposed to do only whatever we do; teleology has no basis in nature. We enjoy bitterness because our cultures have found several bitter foods agreeable to us. Did you just never grow out of your broccoli is icky phase?

>>54322410
If you went around eating everything in nature that tasted sweet you'd die of nightshade poisoning, you raging sperg.

>>54322407
What the majority of people do is dilute their alcohol/tea/coffee with a variety of fats and sugars to hide the actual flavor. There's a lot fewer people just drinking these things straight, and those who do are lying to themselves and everyone around them if they try to pretend it tastes good.

No, it doesn't taste good. That's why almost everyone adds fats and sugars. Stop lying to yourselves about it. You're just drinking it in-spite of the taste.

>>54322426
Does shit taste bitter? Well, I guess you're the expert on the subject so I'll defer to you.

>>54322407
>Billions of people all over the world like them
>Read billions of people all over the world has shit taste.

That doesn't really need to be stated to be understood.

>>54322481
If they despised the flavour of coffee, they wouldn't drink it at all, since caffeine pills are an option. People spice foods to make them more agreeable to them all the time.

I don't particularly enjoy raw hamburger, or even just plain cooked hamburger, so I add spices to my meat when pressing out patties and the end result is better.

>>54322481
The majority of people also dilute their chocolate with fat and sugar. You ever eat some baking chocolate? It's vile. But get yourself some 70% and it's delicious.

>>54322423
Fizzy sugardrinks and fruit juices are equally bad for you. Similar sugar content, except the fruit juice tends to have a few more vitamins.

If you thought you could replace pepsi and coke with orange juice to save your teeth or reduce incoming calories - you haven't helped yourself at all.

>>54322523
Extra pulpy OJ is generally better than most, slower to digest.

>>54322391
To be fair, what I remember from being 12 was pretty rad, mostly

>>54322150
>t. Druggie Cuck

>>54322549
>t. loser

>>54322566
>consuming drugs makes you successful

>>54322576
>not consuming drugs makes you cool

>>54322549
>t. asocial moralizer

I'm sure girls will date you once they realize what jerks their boyfriends are.

>>54322481
>adding shit to tea
fucking disgusting pleb behavior.
My preferred tea is Green and you're supposed to drink it straight to begin with.

>>54322517
Reminds me of the time my family tried to make chocolate with cocoa grains.That thing was terrible.

>>54322481
I know for a fact on my matter when I drink coffee I drink it straight with chunks of the beans still inside of it.

I've had people legit start throwing up on the spot from drinking my coffee.

>>54322576
Worked for Steve Jobs.
Worked for various artists and athletes.

>>54322583
>needing drugs to be cool

>>54322583
It certainly makes you more healthy. Look at a Heroin addict and compare it to someone who exercises daily and mostly drinks water and healthy food and see if there is any difference.

>>54322481
I drink tea straight. It's perfectly fine with nothing added, even when strong.
Coffee can eat a dick though.

>>54322613
Steve Jobs recently died because he chased holistic pseudoscience healthcare to cure his cancer.

And "various artists and athletes" tend to burn out and destroy their bodies and their careers with the drugs they use. I could start listing names but we all know some artist/athlete who's fucking dead right now because of drugs.

>>54320055
Lacquered leather plates usually.

>>54321751
>/fit/, a magical place

>>54322613
Someone successful who did dugs=/Everyone who is successful will.

Most of the people I've seen that got into hardcore use was blowing 10K a day on it and ended up dead and broke.

>>54322623
I can hear the snorting from here
>>54322630
Everything to a limit, friend.

Did you know that a person who drinks a glass of alcohol a day will love longer than one who doesn't? It's true.

>>54322630
>that one guy in my group who claims drugs did nothing wrong
>meanwhile he's a paranoid wreck and might be schizo

>>54322630
Yeah, but you could also provide people who drank near a bottle of whiskey a day and didn't touch vegetables in 50 years yet still lived past 70, anecdotes prove nothing

>>54322391
sucks because uni's field practice noms 2 months of summer

>>54322650
Artists and athletes tend to burn out and destroy their bodies either way. It's the harder they push the harder they wither.
>>54322703
Right stuff, right doses, obviously. Performance enhancers have their place in human society. Hobo sniffing paint thinners obviously won't contribute to the society out of the sudden.

>>54322576
you must be fun at parties

>>54322369
>LD50
Christ. Depending on how much is in my coffee I've probably come damn close a few times. Oh well

>>54322630
How about we compare someone who occasionally uses heroin and also exercises daily and mostly drinks water and eats healthy food?

>>54323103
How about we compare someone who occasionally use heroin, exercise daily, mostly drinks water and eath healty food and someone who live like a reguler piece of shit, with no exercise, badly cooked food and don't like water because it's "too bland"?

>>54323299
>his water doesn't taste bland

How's life in Mumbai?

>>54322440
fucking obviously. Teleology is the whole argument the spergy anon has made.

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>>54318080
Nigger what?

>>54323377
That's an exception since it's the greatest game ever made.

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>>54323299
well let's compare
>hard drug based lifeform
>still alive

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>>54323477
>purportedly non-drug based lifeform
>dead

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>>54323492
>Cocaine, the person
>lived long enough to die of unrelated illness

>>54321563
Actually, no the amount of alcohol in beverages is not sufficient to sterilize them. The brewing process does mean they are generally safer than unbioled water though

>>54323523
liquor is safe as long as germs and teetotalers hold common ground

>>54322714
>Did you know that a person who drinks a glass of alcohol a day will love longer than one who doesn't? It's true.

No it isn't. It's supported by flimsy pop-sci level """science""" papers.

"Well, we believe this statistical analysis reveals there's a 3% increase in life expectancy, which amounts to about 28 extra months over the course of 80 years, with responsible moderate drinking, where moderate drinking is described as 1-3, 473ml, 4% alcoholic beverages per week"

I'd be willing to bet you've never read ANY of the near-worthless papers purporting all the health benefits.

Just as a newflash: The majority of these are bought and paid for by industry and are never peer reviewed by anyone. Far too many of the scientific papers published every year might as well be fraudulent. It's crazy bad in the industry right now - and you can basically guarantee that if a "news" website is reporting the paper, they've been paid to do it and it's more an advertisement than anything else.

>>54322566
>yes goy, destroy your body to fit in with society
>everyone else does it, so it must be good for you

>>54322585
>trusting the feminine jew
>consorting with used goods at all

>>54323011
Do you drink somewhere around 100 cups of coffee per day?

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>>54317197
>Um
From the first second I knew you were gonna be a massive faggot.

>>54322613
>survivor bias

>>54323566
>Mediterranean people drink a glass of wine every day
>coincidentally longest lived in Europe

Really makes you think.

But please, continue your ascetic lifestyle. I'm sure you won't regret it when you're at death's door.

>>54323599
>I'm a half wit bigger who hasn't got the slightest clue about statistics
>I attribute one of many possible variables as the cause to support my conclusion
KILL
YOUR
SELF

>>54323599
Mediterranean people live close to a saltwater ocean, and this is the actual reason they are the longest lived in Europe.

This holds as much weight as your shitty argument just did.

You're going to have to actually put some effort into reasonably proving causality.

>>54323574
A true /pol/ack would know that alcohol is the white man's friend

>>54321815
Fucking this.

>>54318080
>Do you still enjoy the same things you liked as a ten year old?
Such as 12 years old early bloomers? Sure do!

>>54323631
>Mediterranean people live close to a saltwater ocean, and this is the actual reason they are the longest lived in Europe
Based retard.

Then why don't coastal Americans, Englishmen, Irishmen, Australians et al. live as long? Clearly diet has something to do with it.

>>54323622
>durr deyz obviouzly wizardz no way it could be the diet

>>54323642
Dogs are the white man's friend

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/tg/ autism is eternal

>>54323697
Yeah but that's what makes /tg/ awetisome

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>>54323642
Alcohol is for degenerates. The canine is the white man's best friend.

>>54323712
Greeks and Romans had their wine, Vikings had ale.

What do YOU have, Mt. Dew?

>>54322595
enjoy that stomach cancer my dude

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>>54323749
>What do YOU have, Mt. Dew?

Soda is for niggers. Keep them fat, keep them diseased.

Water is for hydration.

>>54322595
>I drink it straight with chunks of the beans still inside of it.
>not just chewing the beans
Get on my level.

>>54323595
Touché

this is /tg not /his fuck off fag.

>>54323776
Ironic that you post Trump when saying that, seeing ad he likes orange soda.

>>54323687
>their diet is composed solely of wine

>>54323749
>Greeks
>white

>>54324068
So what you're saying is that white people aren't responsible for western civilization?

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>>54319863
>pine resin

sign me up

>>54324460
Those taps aren't on pine trees tho

>>54324484

:( i couldnt find a picture on such short notice

>>54324304
Romans are white; Greeks are just swarthy olivemonkeys who planted the seeds for the white man's demise (democracy) millennia in advance.

>>54317197
This man speaks the truth. It's telling that the only guys in our group that actively like beer are raging alcoholics that get shitfaced if we let them bring any. Fancy beer tastes like rotten ass because it's still beer, and every microbrewer or "it's artisanal beer, it's totally different from Miller!" dipshit that has pushed their favorite drink on me got really pissy and defensive when I said I didn't like it and I didn't detect the subtle hint of nutmeg/oak/nun jizz over rotten hops juice. To this day, the only beer I can stand is Guinness because I've forced myself to drink it for so long.

>>54323854
A King does as he pleases, peasant.

>>54324819
Then just stop drinking mate.

Also fuck you Guinness is great and the first beer I ever liked, love at first taste.

>>54317197
>>54321543
I have to wonder how you people don't realize that you sound like complete virgins.

>>54324912
>yeah dude that's cool and all but WHAT ABOUT PUSSY LMAO

Normies were a mistake

>>54324819

They probably like IPAs, and ALSO never branch out because that's what's been popular in the microbrews scene for a while now.

There's more than just HOPS HOPS HOPS out there. There's also enough idiots out there now who are snobs about people's prefrences to ruin it for everyone else.

>>54321543
>coffee by itself is also disgusting,
Yeah I fucking hate coffee, but there is a reason why most people add shit to their coffee. My friend that loves coffee tried arguing with me there is no down side of dreaking coffee all day. Then next week he had a stomach ulcer (from drinking too much coffee) and couldn't drink coffee or eat his favourite foods for months.
Anyway drink what you want I personally think its shit.

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>>54324987
You know, I've been here since moot announced the opening of 4chan on ADTRW, and I still can't understand how someone's life can actually genuinely push them to taking some sick delusional pride in being pathetic. You know you could just go to the gym a few days a week, get some confidence, and occasionally go drinking a little bit and you'd get laid and be less miserable, right?

>>54325247
>basing your self worth around whether or not you've fucked some whore
>improving yourself for the sake of fucking some whore
>having sex for the sake of having sex rather than developing a meaningful relationship
>actually wasting the effort to find a wet-hole to deal with your sexual needs instead of just jerking off and getting on with your life to actually be productive

I'll deal with women when I want kids.

>>54317125
As a southerner, being able to grill my own fucking food in a stadium would be so fucking sweet.

As a southerner, knowing that other people would be allowed to bring their own grills and such accouterments into a over-pack stadium would be FUCKING HORRIFYING

>>54317197
Poorfag or victim of American meme wines detected.

Go buy a bottle of high end Vouvray and tell me it doesn't taste more delicious than any other beverage.

>>54317125
>not drinking mead
I bet you don't even worship your ancestors.

>>54325394
>basing your self worth around whether or not you've fucked some whore
You do realize you're doing the same thing, right?

>>54325549
Yes, and? Not actively pursuing sex for its own sake is good.
The opposite is bad.
Being a virgin or not is neither bad nor good; an obsession or active effort to no longer be a virgin, however, is bad, as it shows that your decisions are driven by sex and carnal impulse.

>>54325650
>Yes, and?
Just saying, don't mock other people for basing their self worth around sex when you're doing the exact same thing but being smug about it.

>>54325698
And I literally just gave you a reason why, you illiterate subhuman.
The issue is not about basing your worth relative to sex or lack of, but rather upon the unproductive pursuit of it.

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>>54319338
Fellow Teetotaler

>>54325781
Oh, lord, not the subhuman shit. I think my eyes are rolling so hard I'm going to get a headache.

I read your post, and ignored it because you don't actually believe it. If you did believe pursuing pleasure for its own sake was bad, and not pursuing it was good, you wouldn't be wasting your life on this board, getting a dopamine rush from fighting with strangers on the internet. You'd be out practicing what you preach. Yet here you are.

Or do you honestly think this is more productive than going out and trying to get laid?

>>54325549
>If you don't drink alcohol, you must be a virgin
Who says something like that, or lives by it, really?

Do you think the only way to get women is to get them drunk or something?

to be completely frank, cheese tastes like mold. Fucking delicious mold, but mold. The application of cheese to baked goods is the storied tradition of moldy bread. Smoked and aged meat is delicious. Wine is fermented grape juice, beer is unfinished bread. Spice and herbs are either mildly poisonous or psychoactive, or salt. Salt and sugar are addictive as all hell in the more or less pure form we now use them in, candy used to be lozenges and pills.

This is what fine western material culture consists of in general so far as I can tell, and eastern culture doesn't seem radically different, except in prefered grain. Enjoy it for what it is, or just admit you only have a taste for mastrubatory health food.

>>54324860
Can't. Gotta grin and bear it and pretend I don't hate it or else my distaste become the topic of the evening due to everyone's disbelief that I don't enjoy beer and their faith that I haven't found the right overpriced seasonal lager yet.

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This thread reminds me that at some point I ought to get around to trying the whole beer thing, but I have no particular interest in drinking for the sake of drinking and I'm a hermit so I lack people to go drinking with.

>>54326259

Honestly, if you ever become a non-hermit, I still recommend avoiding people who go "out to drink" as their social event.

Not even the teetotaler from earlier. Whether you like beer or hate it, hanging out with drunk people is depressing as hell. Soon you drink to excess just so you can pay less attention to the other drinkers. There is no place more boring than a bar, and no people more boring than its regular patrons.

If you want to try drinks but don't want to drink for its own sake, have the drink with a meal, and pretend you're one of those posh people who have "pairings" of drinks with food.

>>54326492
desu I've got an internet friend who's getting into craft brewing with his meatspace buddies, my plan is to someday get a visit arranged and demand that he take my beerginity.

>>54326197
I used to be like you. Then I discovered hard cider. Now I'm that guy who orders Angry Orchard when everyone else is drinking Guinness, but that's not fun enough to be the topic of the evening so people move on to something else.

>>54326528

Okay. But when you do this, just say "I want to try your beer". Do not say "take my beerginity". I know that you're a hermit and all, but that sounds weird.

>>54326259
I don't drink for the sake of it and most cheap beer tastes like piss to me. Love a good trappist or craft ale though. Depends on your taste really.

>>54326589
>but that sounds weird.
This guy is a vicious punster, he'd get a kick out of it

>>54326607
Trust me, it sounds weird.

>>54318080
Sure. I still enjoy ten year old girls.

Drinking a Hefeweizen right now actually. Dunno why they aren't more popular; they're so smooth and super tasty.

>>54325972
>I think my eyes are rolling so hard I'm going to get a headache.
You're so incredibly reddit it actually pains me.

>I read your post, and ignored it because you don't actually believe it. If you did believe pursuing pleasure for its own sake was bad, and not pursuing it was good, you wouldn't be wasting your life on this board, getting a dopamine rush from fighting with strangers on the internet. You'd be out practicing what you preach. Yet here you are.
Ever hear the phrase, "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"?
It's a reality of human nature (perhaps an unfortunate one) that properly functioning adults require some recreational time. I wouldn't expect any but the most inhumanly autistic of spergs to spend more than 14 hours a day being productive.

>Or do you honestly think this is more productive than going out and trying to get laid?
Marginally so; there's the occasional nugget of genuine discussion on this website, and I can also multitask on important things while reading and shitposting.
I cannot multitask if I were pursuing getting laid.

And finally
>If you did believe pursuing pleasure for its own sake was bad, and not pursuing it was good
Pleasure is not bad; pleasure is pleasure, it's an inescapable facet of life, just like suffering. Both are necessary to develop as a proper person.
However, just as actively pursuing suffering for its own sake is masochism, actively pursuing pleasure for its own sake is hedonism.
The most pure and ethical of pleasures are those gained from productive work and virtuous activity.

Do not lecture me on what I do or do not believe.

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>>54328300
>I cannot multitask if I were pursuing getting laid
Seriously? Think hard, and tell me again if you can't figure out even /one/ possible thing you could be doing that would be productive for you /and/ might get you laid.

Hint: Noble balls. The fancy kind.

>>54328529
>fraternizing with the modern aristocracy
>anything but unproductive on all but the short term

>>54317125
so, about roman memes....

http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

>>54317197
This is just blatantly untrue. I get that you dont like beer or wine, or didnt when you were younger. I didnt either. Now I do. Dont care why, but its not fucking association. I know what that's like: I dont mind the taste of aspirin because I had to chew it to make my teeth stop hurting. I dont enjoy it.

>>54326492
I completely disagree.

>>54324000
>gets BTFO
>has to act like a retard

All I'm saying is that in the very least it isn't harmful

>>54329633
Medbro here,
The reason we live long is one very sekrit ritual where we bathe in wine for 2 hours everyday.

>>54319894

You can go to tastings and get tastes of things.

I didn't like beer until Hefeweizen, and then I discovered Chocolate Stouts. Ciders are still a staple of my drinking habits, and for wines I trend towards mead and plum wine. Go to a tasting, chase down something that works better than others, and work your way from there. That's how you develop a refined palette.

Of course, I live where the booze aisle has its own wall for mircrobrews and even the corner convenience store near the gas station is going to carry a good selection, so I'm also spoiled for choice.

>>54326492
I bet you're a hit at parties.

>>54322234

It's true. There's living inside the shape of the thing (Obsession) and then there's living outside of everything that the thing is not (Aversion).

This shit is the Parrot's deal in the Persian masterpiece Conference of the Birds. Having lived as a thing inside a cage all its life, it then tries to define itself by everything that is not the cage, and it takes Hoopoe to talk some sense into the Parrot to show it that it's just made another cage for itself.

>>54329633
>is a retard
>has to call others retards to draw away from that fact

Or perhaps the wine is harmful to their health, but it's just that other factors potentially make up for this, and so much so that they also explain Mediterranean vitality.

The point is that you're locked into the prejudiced assumption that wine == good (or at least wine != bad), and as such are instantly dismissing equally plausible explanations

TL;DR: You're a retarded nigger who needs to take high school statistics.

>oh, neat, a thread on ancient myths
>given I just took over GMing a game set in an ancient world this might be useful to me
>this thread ensues

>>54319894
lmao don't project on him what your bully friends told you, he just means to like it at firtst shot you have to find the right one, not that you are forced to drink alchy

>>54332323
>oh neat i will go to 4chan for useful infos, sure will work
>oh god what is this shitposting thing? Why is it happening to me?

>>54329688
This. Typically if you don't like something you'll stumble across something that will change your mind.

I used to hate coffee, couldn't stand the taste of it, loved the smell though. Until one day I was in Rome on Holiday and tried just a simple small black coffee and loved it.

Same happened to me with beer as well. I like you used to be pretty much wholly a cider man; growing up in the West Country contributed to this as well, but I couldn't stand the taste of beer at all. Then one day I was having my usual Stowford Press and a family member offered me a taste of their stout. I decided to and then at that point of time, due to body chemistry or whatever, I loved it. Now I really enjoy a lot of beers, not really lagers, continental beers, wheat beers but stouts, ales, bitters, etc are all great for me.

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>>54317125
> beer absolutely disgusting

Roman did not have hops or a few other medieval improvements. To a modern drinker some of their types of beer would taste god awful. Other would be a lot like a modern Dunkelweizen or a Weizenbock.


>taste of Roman wine

Some of the more costly types of Roman wine are still being made to this day just under newer names. However the cheaper types of Roman wine would taste like because of the use of cost saving measures. Those types got phased out over time because people became richer and thus more able to pay for good wine.

Think of it like this most of the wine in a supermarket is shit, but it is very cheap so some people will still buy it. They will pick the $5 wine that tastes the lest bad to them and try to tell others "but this one is not that bad...". Picture this process but with a poorer population of shoppers.

>>54334251
This basically.

>>54334251
Plus it'd be watered down, spiced and flavoured, etc.

>>54334251
Should also be mentioned that one of the biggest differences is preservatives (including hops).

A good, fresh batch of beer or wine will taste pretty good, maybe even better than modern beverages (but probably lower ABV).

A contaminated or month-old batch will taste like rotten shit.

Also, there's the matter of different styles, techniques, brands, etc. Although in the ancient world, you have the advantage where you probably know the guy who brews your beer, or maybe even have a slave/wife/etc. to brew your personal stock. So, if it's too sour/sweet/bitter/etc. it's easy to tweak until you get something more palatable.

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>>54334251
>very cheap wine
>comes in a bottle

>>54321543
From what I gathered IRL (and the last few times this topic came up on 4chan) the main reason everyone likes coffee is they drink it long enough to become addicted to the caffine and/or trick their brain into thinking it doesn't taste like shit.

I sort of disagree on tea but I like tons of sugar in mine and your description is technically accurate.

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>>54321543
>he has no palate
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

>>54329874
>if the meds didn't drink wine they would be functionally immortal

Really boils the spaghetti

>>54334906
>still being a faggot
Maybe, maybe not; the fact that they drink wine could be a factor in their lifespans, or it could actually be a detriment outweighed by other factors, or it could not matter at all in the slightest.

The point is that there's not enough research and statistical analysis done to draw a proper conclusion, and any but-what-if hypothesizing that we've both been doing is 100% useless for actual argumentation.

>>54326088
Cheese does not taste like mold. Don't be silly and disgusting.

It tastes like spoiled milk. Deliciously spoiled milk.

>>54322410
Yes/no. Its determined by genetics but eating spicy/bitter/etc foods is an evolutionary adaptation. Basically you ingest the poison inherent to the spices but not enough to kill you and it ends up slaughtering whatever parasites you have.

>>54323299
You'd need to add a genetic test to that experiment. Ozzy as one example is actually a genetic mutant with the power to not die from the amount of drugs he consumes. 1/100th of what he takes is more than enough to kill most people.

>>54319863
>every single brewer in Rome carefully controlled their ferments

Next you're going to complain about how your garum doesn't taste right.