What would a nation of sapient dogs be like? Every breed is of

pretty dog-eat-dog

Pretty ruff.

Golden Retrievers are the de facto diplomats and likely royalty.

Pit Bulls are the violent underclass that gradually outbreeds the others until every species is replaced by a mongrel race of mutts.

>>54302008
It's a good nation. Whose a good nation? Your a good nation. Yus you are!

>>54302008
>King Longboi III

>>54302151
>dog prince exited to see diplomats of other nations
>so exited that pees himself when they arrive

>>54302138
Seems... familiar.

>>54302008
poodles would complain about their ladies getting doberman'd.com

>>54302008
Why did you post a horse in a dog thread???

>>54302008
Pugs, bulldogs, and other smushed faced dogs with natural breathing problems are seen as freaks of nature.

But not in the dangerous way. In the pitied way like when you see a child with down syndrome struggling to walk.

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>>54302008
This is your general for tomorrows battle.

>>54302008
Lawful good boys, the lot of them.

>>54302008
They'd be a nation of happy go lucky inbred retards who constantly get picked on by the wolf master race.

>>54302496
That's a goat.

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>>54302998
Sharp sense, anon.
It seems like I uploaded the wrong picture.

>>54302008
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npu3VnYs3IA

Dobies, rotties, pibbles, chows, shar peis and all kinds of mastiffs are good for security and soldiers of course, but also make a great labor force. Though you'd want to leave the Navy and coast guard to breeds like labradors, newfies, Portuguese water dogs, and poodles.

Cattle and sheep dogs are your ranchers. Terriers are your pest control.

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Are hairless dogs nudists or what?

Is magic allowed? Which breeds would make good mages?

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>>54302138
Breed is just a social construct. Pitbulls are more violent because of socioeconomic circumstances. All we need is more money for government run pounds and they'd be better.

The real cause for their disproportionate amount of fatal attacks is Retriever-Breedism.

The kissing of the royal ring has been replaced with the humping of the royal knee

The religion is based around a mythical dog known only as the best boy.

Like yugoslavia. Imagine a nation of a clusterfuck of breeds kept together by one iron willed leader.

>>54304202
>best boy is the ancestor of all dogs
>best boy was the favorite son of the giant one(the giant ones are at least 2times the size of a grayhound!!!)
>they built everything
>the giant ones have abandond dogkind after the son of the best boy was a bad boy
>the dogkind must strive to be the goodest boys possible to convince the giant ones to come back

>>54304347
Cute

>>54304260
Oh please, dogs tend to love one another and rarely have problems integrating dogs of different breeds into the "pack".

In point of fact, studies have proven that dogs have what I'm going to call a sense of dog. That is, dogs can tell what is and is not a dog based on appearance alone, even if the dog's breed looked wildly different than their own.

The study basically showed dogs two pictures, one of some random animal and one of a dog. Once the dog realized that they would be rewarded with food if they picked the picture of a dog, they'd pick the dog every single time. Like, even if the testing-dog was a golden retriever, and the choice was between a picture of a hyena and a picture of a chihuahua.

>>54304825
Here's the study, by the way.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/do-dogs-know-other-dogs-are-dogs/

>>54304825
>>54304846
Can dogs tell breeds apart? As in "these dogs are of the same kind" or "this dog is not like these others"?

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>>54302008

>>54304825
But we're talking about sentient dogs. Basically humans in dog's bodies. I wouldn't be surprised if huskies consider pugs to be inferior, even if they're still technically the same species. After all, humans can tell what is human and what is not, and that hasn't stopped fucktons of racial animosity.

>>54302008
They will all be sick and short lived save for one type - Mongrel, who would be overall healther, better adapted to the climate and all living conditions and would be better patients

>>54305451
parents*

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>>54305451
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>54305061
Dunno.

>>54305437
In a pack of dogs, the smaller dogs actually tend to be dominant over the larger dogs due to having much more energy and tenacity. This is particularly true of "working" small dogs, like terriers.

>Basically humans in dog's bodies.

If you're going to have humans in dog bodies, there's no point in making them non-human at all. The dogs should be psychologically different from humans.

>>54302008
Generally a shitty place. Not having thumbs would make it aweful.

Sufficiently large tribes might be able to capture/bully humanoid races into being their slaves to do pretty much everything you need done to have a functioning society.

I imagind after a while all the designer breeds would be gone and you'd have some large wolf-like dogs living as nomadic herders of whatever large fauna the area has.

The nation nearly split itself apart when during the annual Fetch Boy Religious Ceremony, the bad doggos under PitBullus stole the stick from the kings mouth.

>>54302008
http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/pugmire/

>>54305061
The real question is - do they care? I mean, if you've ever seen the hilarity of chihuahua attempting to mount wolfhound. and/or the horror of the opposite you'd probably agree they don't.

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>>54305855

>>54302138
Aren't Retrievers pretty dumb though? So royalty, sure, but not diplomats

>>54306487
Retrivers would make really goo warriors
Nobles would toy breeds such as pugs and poodles
The occasional peasent revolt or communist reveloution is lead by the rat dogs and pitbulls

>>54306427
I know right? That little brunette futa is probably yuge!

>>54302008
It's hard to build infrastructure when you can't stand up & don't have opposable thumbs. Then again, how much infrastructure do dogs need?

How would musical instruments used by dogs look like?

>>54302008
Well, when Mystara did it, they made it functionally Swashbuckling-era France, with different dogs having different social roles.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lupin

Seriously, I would give good virtua-bucks if anyone can figure out all of the real-life dog-breeds being referenced in the AD&D Dragon Magazine version.

>>54302008
its a doggy dog world

>>54306549
>Retrivers would make really goo warriors
>the dogs that are statistically least likely of any breed to bite or be hostile "would make good warriors"
Anon, shut up

>>54307401
Shit nig
What if the dogs have to fight sapient ducks
Checkmate

>>54307022
Probably something like a mix between bagpipes and a squeaky chew toy, where it's a mouth-based instrument that squeals.

https://youtu.be/gn_MbXuz9ss
Family dynamics would be weird

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>>54307468
>tfw my golden retriever runs around my house at 3 am squeaking his toy and he's too fast for me to catch him

>>54307530
Why is your doggo outside at night?

>>54307530
How big is your house that you can't corner him?

>>54307578
Decent size

>>54307575
He's an indoor dog like all of our dogs

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Are greyhounds the best rangers and messengers?
>GOTTA GO FAST the dog
> loyal and non agressive
>smart
The only problem you run into is how fucking brittle their legs can be when they get older

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>>54305701

>>54307937
They serve while young and are granted a generous pension for their work when they are no longer capable.

>not wolfhounds and great danes as royalty
please
also german shepards as royal guards

>>54306487
Retreviers are gentle but fairly smart.

>>54302138
>Goldens Retrievers

>beautiful coat
>kind, loving eyes
>naturally noble posture
>distinguished gait
>always happy all the time
>lovably dumb
>cripplingly inbred
>genetic predisposition towards joint problems and cataracts
>increasingly more likely to become a neurotic pile of mental problems with each generation
>will be extinct in our children's lifetimes

Sounds like nobility to me.

Border Collies would end up the leaders
>smartest breed
>unlimited energy
>herders

>>54308292
They are too neurotic for that, they would rather end up as eccentric geniuses and are work-alcoholic by nature.

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master race reporting in
>glorious coats
>tank bears
>smart, though a bit stubborn

>>54304825
There wouldn't be such radically different dog breeds if it wasn't for selective selection. Most of the traits that are characteristic of any one dog breed are recessive traits, and far too often these are actually detrimental to the individual's overall performance.

Without humans to force individual freaks to mate only with similar individual freaks, the dogs themselves would need to practice some form of extreme caste-like system of eugenics for the different modern breeds to come into being.

I could imagine a mutt-majority dog civilization with breeds standing for inbred aristocratic extended families, however.

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Here's your Charles II.

>the king is eleceted from all the dukes and counts of the kingdom and the highest ranking military personel
>their piety is tested by the priest dogs
>the one choosen as the goodest boy becomes king and given a kingly name by the dog pope
The current king is an old greyhound general
He is longboi the third

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>>54303531
The Corgi.

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>>54302008
I wouldn't want to mess with them.

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>>54308280

It applies even more so to the English Setter. Heck, most people have probably no notion of the breed. They have such little genetic diversity and such little popularity that they are likely to go extinct very soon.

I had one growing up. He was the runt of the litter. The breed isn't very intelligent to begin with, but because he was the genetic leftovers, it was safe to say he was especially unintelligent. But there has never been a kinder-hearted, non-aggressive, and loving creature in the world.

If a society was run by English Setters, it would be one of peace and love... but if you turn out the lights, their lack of object-permanence would make them freeze in place and think existence had stopped...

>>54307718
Oh, I thought you meant as in AROUND the house
>>54307937
Man, I really like greyhounds. They're so lanky and chill. They look like if somebody animated a creature made outta watch springs.

>>54302138
>Golden Retrievers are the de facto diplomats
>have a bunch of dumbfucks as diplomats
stop

WE WUZ WOLVEZ AND SHIET

>>54308930
>genuenily caring, protective, strong willed guardians
>they're also HUGE
good doggos

>>54302008

>What would a nation of sapient dogs be like?
Could be pretty co...
>Every breed is of course in the nation
Oh, it's a scarcely livable multikulti shithole.

>>54308930
>>54309922
I wanted to get a t mastiff a while ago, those damn noodle doodlers price everyone out.
Also
>can fight bears
fantasy companions irl

>>54310105
>he thinks no tribalism would exists and breeds wouldn't prefer the role they're meant to fulfill
lmao

>>54310105
What were you thinking of when you thought of "a nation of sapient dogs," then, if not a nation with several kinds of sapient dogs? Just golden retrievers? Did you not realize that there were multiple kinds of dogs when you started reading?
Jeez, pol-kun, when you make posts like that it's almost like you're just trying to start shit

>>54308139
Mooooom, get off the chan

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>>54309911
WE WUZ LION HUNTERZ N SHIET

>>54310187
fuck those niggercats

>>54303607
I don't know if this is bait, but Pitbulls are actually good dogs if you can train it properly, but most owners don't train them properly which causes all these problems. Well, bad owners and mother fucking thugs looking for a mean looking dog. Sorry for biting, but every dog can be a good dog if you're a good owner and know what you're doing

It'd be a bitch.

Policitians regularly use laser pointers to distract the masses as they sneak extra biscuits and peanut butter for themselves

>>54310781
>There's a Collie Oppenheimer out there waxing poetic about his invention of the laser.

>>54310469
you can make up for biting by posting a SLAMMED dog

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No-one's posted this yet? Okay; I'll post it , then.

Part 1/3.

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>>54313115

Part 2/3.

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>>54313130

Part 3/3.

Slaves of the feline master specie.

>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
no one asked for these feelings, anon

Probably much like a nation of humans, just with a lot more diversity. I've been volunteering at an animal shelter for the past 2 months, the only consistent pattern I've noticed between breeds is Kelpies are troublemakers and Staffys are lazy shits. All doggos have their own personality.

>>54310469
Such garbage. You know what else can be a decent pet if "trained properly?" Fucking anything. People keep big ass monitor lizards with less chance of getting bit then pit bulls.

>Just because they are a statistically stupid decision doesn't mean they are a stupid decision.

>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
Well that's depressing.

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>>54302008

Gaze upon the majesty that is Komondor

>>54305701
Someone who loves breedless dogs

>>54305061
Only in cases of fairly extreme differences. There's examples of things like a female great dane not recognizing her half-chihuahua puppies as being hers. I get the impression that dogs don't strongly differentiate between different types of dog unless the difference is very significant.

>>54302976
Until the Ancient Masters return and the Good Boys take their rightful place at their side and the uncivilized wolves are once again pushed back to the wilderness as the prophecy has foretold.

>>54314862
I thought it was a little up-lifting; we are remembered, and the dogs carry on.

>>54310187
A distant cousin of mine runs a hunting lodge in Namibia.
He got half a dozen of these.
For dealing with Leopards, not lions, but still.
He also taught them to run around barking on the command "Nigger"!

>>54305061
I literally had to yank my German Shepherd out of the hay laying around our farm because she kekpt lying down presenting herself to our neighbors Terrier.

>>54305451
A lot of the older hnting breads are actually pretty healthy, since people breed for performance and avoid interbreeding (most purebreeds have a family tree longer than most humans).

>>54315019
>chihuahua
How the fuck did a chihuahua get a great dane pregnant in the first place? My cocker spaniel can't mount a willing german shepherd because it's too tall.

>>54316552
see >>54316531

>>54302070
>>54302110
I appreciated your posts Anons..

>>54314625
>You know what else can be a decent pet if "trained properly?" Fucking anything.
You're a retard. Try training a tiger. I fucking dare you. Here's a link to a pdf that shows the damage done by onehttps://bigcatrescue.org/laws/zPDFlaws/AMJForensicFeline.pdf and here's a link to a site https://bigcatrescue.org/big-cat-attacks/ that deals with big cats that have attacked and/or have escaped captivity. If people had these animals as common pets, like pitbulls, then there would even be more fucking attacks.

>>54302321
But why would those breeds be developed to that point? Humans fucked them up biologically for our aesthetic reasons; if other dogs think they're ugly, they wouldn't get that far.

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>>54310469

>>54316790
Dogs are pretty easy.

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>>54304347
>edgy teen dogs bark all the time and chew up furniture and praise the Bad Boy

>>54302008
Dean Koontz's The Watchers has a pretty good example of one such dog. Clearly intelligent but still ultra friendly with most people and loves fetch, etc. Very child at heart. Kind of a refreshing look at a non-human sapiant.

>>54316811
you know what the problem is? People dont know how to take cear of pitbulls. Pitbulls are in need of something to do, non stop, they arn't dogs you can just leave to do their own thing. German Shepards can be also extreamly agresive if you dont make them do shit non stop. This is why if you want a dog to be just as a pet and not spend a lot of time traning it you shold get a mut or some randome breed that was not used for work

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>>54305839
Underrated

>>54310469
I hate to say this, but Pitbulls are genetic monsters, as in their DNA is such a tangle mess that the breed of dog shouldn't exist. I mean hell Pitbulls have to give birth via cesarean section. Not to mention every generations nose keeps shrinking and shrinking, causing numerous health problems in the dog.

>>54314881
Clearly a picture of a bathmat someone put a leash on. 10/10.

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>>54316831
Yeah, but that leads to less exclusivity and purebred retardedness, not more.

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>>54310469
Really nigga?

>>54314881
>The coat of the Komondor takes about two and a half days to dry after a bath.

I just realised that all the cities in this world will reek of wet dog. No bueno

>>54316962
>392 Americans die from dog bites in a 12 year span
>497,632 Americans died from gun fatalities from 1999 to 2014, a 13 year span.
Nigga, seriously?
>>54316865
The problem I'm seeing with Pitbulls is yes we fucked them up big time genetically, Pitbulls are some the cheapest pure breed dogs out there, they need an experienced owner, they need tons of exercise (since Pitbulls are from the terrier family), people thinking they need to train the dog aggressively to protect their family, people hitting the dog as negative reinforcement and not going /pol/ but most lower income families like white trash and niggers own them, which doesn't help since it's proven these kinds of families are more violent then middle class or upper class families. Violence and aggression begets violence and aggression.

>>54317054
>>392 Americans die from dog bites in a 12 year span
>>497,632 Americans died from gun fatalities from 1999 to 2014, a 13 year span.
>Nigga, seriously?

That's an argument to make both guns and dogs illegal, not an argument in favour of keeping dogs. 0/10, didn't pay attention in high school rhetoric.

And the point you're deliberately missing is that it's specifically pitbulls that are the largest cause of dog fatalities. Pretending that they aren't 60%+ of the problem is foolish.

What would Dachshunds be? They were bred to go into badger's homes and kill them, and have a strong digging instinct.

Miners? Later on sappers and trench warfare experts when dog WW1 occurs?

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>>54317130
>breed marked by digging instinct and perseverance
>stubborn and ferocious when confronted with enemies/prey
>Strong loyalty to owners, but standoffish and exclusionary to strangers

fuck we found the dwarves

>>54317098
im not a big fan of people owning pitbulls BUT
just the bite statistic arnt really a lot to go on. We dont know how said dogs were treated, how they were trained, what backround they come from (a fuck ton of rescue pitbulls are from dogfights, people take them and dont know they have a ticking time bomb with them) and what familly they were kept by.

>>54317098
How is 392 Americans dying from dog bites in a 12 year span an argument to make them illegal?
I was pushing the argument that your bitching about 392 Americans dying in 12 years from dog bites, yet I don't hear people bitching about 497,632 Americans dying in 13 years from gun related fatalities. If your going to bitch about the amount of people dying in America, dog bites are fucking tiny compared to car accidents, guns, and heart disease. 392 Americans is a drop in the bucket for a country with a population of 321.4 million and rising.

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>>54317192
>just the bite statistic arnt really a lot to go on.

It's not the bite statistic, it's the fatality statistic. What you need is that and the proportion numbers.

There are ~90 million dogs in the USA, and 3-5 million pit bulls. About 5.6% of the total dog population.
Pit bulls make up 64.8% of fatal attacks.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/198100/dogs-in-the-united-states-since-2000/
http://www.banpitbulls.org/what/pit-bull-numbers/

That's a huge disparity. I don't have any strong opinions about it one way or another, but the clear upshot is that, for whatever reason, pit bulls are not good pets. Maybe it's something inherent in the breed, maybe it's that people mistreat them regularly, maybe it's that people just don't know how to train them. The underlying truth is that having pit bulls as pets is more dangerous than with any other breed.

>>54317269
>I don't hear people bitching about 497,632 Americans dying in 13 years from gun related fatalities
An obvious lie. It is impossible you have not heard about gun control.

But the truth is that you're moving the goalposts. You've gone from saying, "Pit bulls aren't dangerous" to saying, "Pit bulls cause fewer fatalities than other causes of death, therefore deaths caused by pit bulls are OK." Yet you have accepted the basic premise that things that cause human deaths are undesirable. I don't give a fuck about your desire to get KNOTTED, but don't post sloppy arguments that don't hold up to the end of the post.

>>54317054
>>497,632 Americans died from gun fatalities from 1999 to 2014, a 13 year span.
Not an argument.

Changing the topic completely doesn't address at all that the overwhelming majority of fatal dog attacks are from one breed. The point isn't that pitbulls are dangerous in absolute terms, but are incredibly dangerous when compared to OTHER BREEDS.

If you think that <10% of the dogs in America being responsible for >60% fatal attacks doesn't have anything to do with genetic factors youre a fool.

Pitbulls were bred for bull baiting and dog fights, why wouldn't they be hyper aggressive and dangerous?

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>>54316947

The problem with being an ugly fucker is that nobody wants to fuck you, except the other ugly fuckers.

Try to imagine a pug hitting up a retriever.

I'll wait.

>>54317341
I never said Pitbulls weren't dangerous. I said they are good dogs if they're trained properly.I thought it was a given that they would still be considered dangerous even if trained properly, because of it's breed and origins. Similar to a Doberman, Rottweiler, Mastiff, or German Shepard. However, I do apologize about moving goal posts, but I thought I got into an argument with another person going "See! Pitbulls kill this many people, thus they all need to be destroyed" and I argued with the gun fatalities because if we're going to do the fatality game then dogs are on the low part of the totem pole. I do like you bitching about my goalposts and then calling me a zoophiliac afterwards. Great way to end a discussion.
>>54317385
My original post was that they were good dogs if trained properly. I also stated >The problem I'm seeing with Pitbulls is yes we fucked them up big time genetically, Pitbulls are some the cheapest pure breed dogs out there, they need an experienced owner, they need tons of exercise (since Pitbulls are from the terrier family), people thinking they need to train the dog aggressively to protect their family, people hitting the dog as negative reinforcement and not going /pol/ but most lower income families like white trash and niggers own them, which doesn't help since it's proven these kinds of families are more violent then middle class or upper class families. Violence and aggression begets violence and aggression.
I understand Pitbulls have a overwhelming capability of violence, but so do other breeds of dogs. My original argument was that Pitbulls can be good dogs, if you know what you're doing. Sadly, the VAST majority of people who own Pitbulls don't know what they're getting into.

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>>54309358
> but if you turn out the lights, their lack of object-permanence would make them freeze in place and think existence had stopped

I chuckled, but (fortunately?) then I remembered that a dog can be blind and deaf and still function incredibly well thanks to their sense of smell, as one of my dogs, Gracie, shows - she was a Yorkie, 12 when she was rescued from a shelter, already deaf. By the time she died at 15, she was blind as well and had been for months, but we didn't even realize it because she didn't have any problems moving around the house or the backyard, thanks to her nose (and, presumably, also a little help from another shelter-rescued Yorkie, much younger, named Bobby Socks - or Sir Robert Stockings on formal occasions).

Seventeen MILLION times better than ours. You smell a pizza. The dog smells all the ingredients of the pizza, and everyone and everything that ever touched those ingredients.

>>54317130
>dog WW1
Instead of dropping mustard gas they drop that anti-chewing spicy/sour flavored spray?

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>>54302008

So, Road Rovers then? You could've just said "a setting where everyone's a Road Rover."

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What are German Shepherds?

>Intensely intelligent
>loyal above and beyond for their family unit
>incredibly versatile; can be trained from anything in military duties to search and rescue and therapy
>with good breeding, very healthy

>>54319309
>Intensely intelligent
Mine gets stuck while drinking from the toilet at least every other month.

>>54319309
Respectful middle vkass citizens who have to put up with pitbull bullshit

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>>54319309
Who's a soggy doggy! Whooooo's a soggy doggy?

I mentioned Bobby Socks upthread (though this isn't a picture of him). He was a rescue dog (about 1-1/2 when we got him), had been horribly abused as a puppy (kicking him into the back of a truck had been mentioned), to the point where you couldn't play fetch with a stick with him because if you picked up a stick he assumed you would start hitting him with it. He was fine with tennis balls and the like, at least.

Anyway, for all that he didn't mind baths, and while you couldn't chase him (again, without him thinking he was going to be hurt by you), one thing we did teach him was, after a bath, we'd go "who's a soggy doggy"? Then he'd run around the yard a bunch and come back all happy, do the rolling around in the grass thing to get the smell of soap off, and so on. I mean, he'd probably do that anyway, but we positively reinforced baths with him via petting and treats.

Bobby was a working dog, too. Hunted rats. Killed more rats than the 6 cats we had combined. Loved digging them up and breaking their necks. Completely undid the baths we'd give him, but it made him happy.

I miss Bobby Socks...

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>>54302008

>>54314881
Puli's are cooler.

>>54316850
That is bullshit, my aunt had a killer GSD mix that would go Holocaust on all dog breeds she thought inferior.
She cornered the plumber and raised her hackles when she saw niggers.

That dog never ever once acted intimidating towards members of its pack.

I know this is anecedotal but Pit Bull is nigger tier white trash bullshit dog for single moms with skanky tatoos that smoke too much.
GSD is a perfectly normal dog.

Oviously all dogs need attention and excercise, but not all dogs snap when they don't.

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>>54319515
The Irish Wolfhound was considered the equal of a lion in the Roman Coliseum.

The original breathe is positively ancient - 7,000 years old - though it was all but extinct by the 19th century. Even still, in the 1700s there still existed wolfhounds of great size, and though generally docile and peaceful, their strength was immense - mastiffs and bulldogs were said to be FAR from their equal.

The Irish Gaelic word for them, Cú, became a term of respect for warriors and kings, with the implication that the person was worthy of the loyalty and respect of a wolfhound

Note the phrasing - the person was worthy of the dog's respect, not the reverse.

The modern wolfhound breed was the result of basically one person desperately trying to preserve them. So few were left by the 19th century that outcrossing was necessary, so the modern wolfhound has borzoi, great Dane, Scottish deerhound, and English mastiff ancestry, as well as a single Kinnaur sheepdog.

They're thick as two short planks, and very gentle, but I wouldn't want to get into a fight with one.

In the Dog kingdom from OP, they'd probably basically be idealized Jedi, or reclusive monks. Peaceful, contemplative, don't want much of anything out of life, full of simple wisdom. Can utterly wreck anything that tries to start shit with them. Primarily responsible for having once nearly wiped out all wolves across the kingdom, something they feel bad about these days.

>>54316730
If you have to compare Pitbulls to Tigers to make it so that Pitbulls aren't dangerous then you've already lost the argument.

>>54319758
>lions
>in Italy
HAHAHAHAHA

You must be a fellow American like me.

>>54321605
>Irish wolfhound
>In Italy
As a fellow American, your reading comprehension and knowledge of basic history (even the basterdized Russell Crowe pop culture version) leaves me despondent over the state of education in this country

The Romans imported pretty much anything and everything they could to fight in the coliseum. Including functional naval battles

>>54321566
I was saying the "anything can be a decent pet if trained" is bullshit. You didn't even read my other posts, did you?

>>54306487
Retrievers would make incredible bards, actually. They're quite smart, the whole dumb thing is in fact an act they do because most of their existence revolves around making humans happy.

>>54321605
Romans imported rare beasts, including lions, to be exhibited in places like the Coliseum. That's how they fed Christians to them. Go read a book.

>>54321566
Let me clarify, just to make sure you understand. Pitbulls are fairly common dogs in America, and look at the amount of dog bites that happen. If you had Tigers as common Pitbulls, the attacks done by tigers would be more. I never said that Pitbulls aren't dangerous, but for some reason you daft people can't get through your head that I said that Pitbulls could be good dogs if you trained them properly, but most people can't and thus the problems that happen. I was arguing against you, that "anything can be a decent pet if trained" is bullshit.

>>54322474
So what you're saying is, if you do something anyone who owns a dog should be doing to a Pitbull, they might not eat your infant?

Holy shit, I think you're onto something. Wait, wait! If you don't train a Golden Retriever, will they eat your infant? Shit, I bet Bernese Mountain Dogs will... Right?

The fact intense training is the only way to keep a Pitbull from becoming a fear-guided missile is evidence enough that they're a dangerous breed that should be relegated to either certification to own one, or outright bans.

>>54316865
>Pitbulls have to give birth via cesarean section
You're thinking of bulldogs, dumbass.

Their DNA isn't messier than any other dog. For rampant unregulated breeding, they've very healthy.

>>54322563
>So what you're saying is, if you do something anyone who owns a dog should be doing to a Pitbull, they might not eat your infant?

Or at least, they might not produce shitty music.

>>54322357
He's clearly referring to domesticated animals readily available to the common populace and at worst just referring to dogs in general. Don't take the "anything" literally idiot. It's called hyperbole.

>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
Jesus christ anon, the feels hurt my lungs

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>>54317192
One of the problems with pitbulls is 90% of people with pitbulls shouldn't even have dogs.
Another problem is they were bred to fight prey as large as themselves and larger and never give up.
In a lot of situations where a normal dog would consider a fight over and let the thing they are fighting flee they keep going for the kill,
In the UK where we aren't meant to have pitbulls it's Border Collies that bite most kids, but those kids almost never need any medical attention, because border collies are normal dogs that stop attacking when commanded or the thing they are attacking starts behaving as they want.

Basically pitbulls are pic related.
Loads of them can be great, but a percentage of them will turn into bloodthirsty psychopaths.

>>54322563
Did you ask me about what I thought about certification to own one. No, you didn't. Instead of a discussion, I get people jumping up and down saying that I'm saying "Pitbulls are nice, Pitbulls can be owned by anyone" and I'm not. I said they can be good dogs if you trained them properly and were an EXPERIENCED dog owner. I actually agree with certifications to own one, same with all the aggressive dog breeds like the Mastiffs and German Shepard. Also,
>If you don't train a Golden Retriever, will they eat your infant?
Actually yes, they will.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711
http://www.orilliapacket.com/2014/08/27/dog-attack-victim-recovering-but-heartbroken
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/10/national/crime-legal/tokyo-infant-mauled-death-pet-dog/#.WWkq4YQrIdU
And these are some reported cases of Golden Retrievers attacking people. It's fucking stupid to leave your baby alone with any animal. Yes, Pitbulls attack far more, I'm not disagreeing with that, but any animal can do this to your child. Yes, even Bernese Mountain Dogs can do this, because they're an animal.

>>54322649
>Don't take the "anything" literally idiot. It's called hyperbole.
With the people on 4chan, I can't actually tell if something is a hyperbole or they actually believe it literally. This is why I'm not a fan of a discussions on the internet.

>>54319758
>something they feel bad about these days.
nothing bad with wiping out savages

>>54307290
came to post this

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What role would the long shadow boys play in the dog society?

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>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
Fuck off with your feels anon, I didn't want to cry today.

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>>54327052
I dunno, man. I don't get sorrow from these.

Just pride for all the good boys out there in the stars.

>>54322418
>>54321605
panthera leo europaea was an actual thing niggers

>>54322594
Okay got me there, but they do still suffer from aggression issues, hip dysplasia, cataracts and heart disease. Not to mention the breed started out for use in blood sports in England.

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>>54302008
>The nation also has a group of sapient cats.
>Whenever something bad happens, the dog citizens will chase the cats around.
>Thankfully, they cannot reach the cat ghettos that reside in the trees.

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>>54302008
It'd be *awful*. Dogs are assholes. I know a lot of people like them, but people are assholes too, and they like the dogs because the dogs are either useful to them or remind them of themselves.

Dogs are social and pack-oriented. This means they tend to be hierarchical and get into a lot of fights to establish the pecking order. If you lived in the Dog Nation, you'd be subject to frequent physical assault and intimidation tactics unless you were the meekest, most submissive little peon around. And yeah, you could go the other route and be the meanest mammajamma around, aiming for literal Alpha Male status, but that just means you have to act like a vicious warlord and keep everyone else down, constantly reminding everyone who's boss and dealing with upstarts attempting to Starscream their way into the top dog position.

Dogs are pack predators. You're going to see a lot of groupthink and 'us vs them' mentality. You'd probably get something like 1984 pretty quickly, except with more soccer hooligans and riots. And if you think our news is full of scare pieces *now*, just think of all the times you walk down the street and a dog half a block away goes absolutely apeshit and starts barking and howling, desperate to everyone know that somebody is sort of nearby with unknown intentions. That's what your news media is going to be like.

Dogs are territorial. Yeah, remember that dog I just mentioned? He doesn't like you on his territory, or anywhere where he can sense you *from* his territory. If that dog wasn't fenced in, he'd gladly claim the entire block as his by pissing on everything in sight and scour the whole place of evryone who didn't submit to his rule: Neighboring countries *will* be attacked by the Dog Nation. Any territory taken will be claimed as historically theirs forevermore, much like China does.

So you have an expansionist warlike nation that treats its citizens like shit and drastically discourages individualism. Have fun with that, guys.

>>54326722
Slavs

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What place is there in dog society for these floppy faced bastards

>>54330327

Peaceful Mountain folk known to others as the wrinkly boys

>>54317098
>That's an argument to make both guns and dogs illegal,
Fuck off, keep your dirty hands out of my dogs and my human rights.

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>>54328542
>mfw Dogs are Orcs

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>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
I was going to have the evolved dog people in my game totally forgot humanity but this changed my mind. I'll have them remember humanity collectively as a kind and caring god instead. This should make it fun when they rediscovered the final human.

>>54328542
So basically orks?

>>54328542
t. Ahmed Mohammed

>>54328542
>Dogs are social and pack-oriented. This means they tend to be hierarchical

ITT: My source on dog psychology is from the 60s and I didn't bother looking at anything else!

>>54328542
This post reeks of toxoplasmosis

>>54313146
>>54313130
>>54313115
T-there's something in my eye, that's all.
10/10 story right there.

>>54310469
Pit bulls can be lovely dogs. You'd have to be retarded to think otherwise.

Of course, most are not lovely dogs. Combining a genetic breeding for aggression, bite strength and tenacity, with retarded thugs actively looking for an aggressive dog ... no shit they're gonna be responsible for the most bites.

>>54316962
Your chart is not evidence for poor genetics rather than poor training.

>>54313115
>>54313130
>>54313146
tl;dr

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>>54331754
Worse. Orks aren't bulletproof.

>>54331619
Point of order, the right to bear arms is a civil right, not a human right. The Bill of Rights does not describe human rights, merely legal ones that the Federal government is granting to the people.

In fact the main argument that various folk had against the Bill of Rights back before it was made was precisely the worry that people would start to see them as some kind of moral thing, when they were only ever intended as legal rights.

>>54328542
>not liking dogs
Dogs aren't wolves m8. Dogs are literally as far removed from their wolf ancestors as humans are their Savannah dwelling ancestors.

When you add whatever fantasy element is necessary to make them sapient enough to have a kingdom, they're even farther removed from their ancestors.

It's like saying a race of dolphin-people have to be universally rapists, or that monkey people all still fling poo.

>>54317269
This.
Vending Machines kill 2.8 people a year! We should ban vending machines.

And swimming pools.

And anything that isn't easy to digest gruel and a padded room.

>>54334391
Im not american so I could care less about your bill of rights. The right to bear arms is an unalienable human right, in my view, because the right to life is a human right, and from the right to life we can deduce that self-defense is a human right, and because we have the right to self-defence, we have the right to acquire, and, if need be, use instruments for self defence.

>>54316962
>pit bulls kill 1/1000 of what black people do
Truely good boys who didin do nuffin.

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>>54316730
>Try training a tiger. I fucking dare you.
Anon...

>>54316840
Catholic's haven't owned anyone this hard since they chased the English out or Ireland in the 20's.

>>54310469
Ever since I saw that video of the child about to be dragged off by a pitbull I've wanted to exterminate them.

>>54334678
>I could care less about your bill of rights.
Well, it's nice to know you care about it at least a little.

>>54334678
>guns are a unalienable human right

Nigga you SURE you aren't American?

>>54306487
Retrievers are smart, however purebreeds are selected for more narrow heads, which looks better but has the adverse affects of smaller brains.
Slightly mongrel retrievers are generally incredibly intellegent.

>>54334897
If he's not, I'd support him getting citizenship.

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>>54318359
Fun fact: Shih Tzus can be 'trapped' by building a barrier of soda cans around them.

>>54334391
Nigger what the fuck. The Bill of Rights specifically opens saying these rights are not civil rights, but natural human rights. It acknowledges the government cannot tamper with these rights because of it.
Read your fucking Constitution it's not that hard to understand.

>>54305839
someone needs to do a grimdark campaign of that setting

>>54302008
>Every breed
Are you serious? Pitbulls and pomeranians are very, very different. You're talking about balkanization.

>>54335082
Actually the Bill of Rights specifically opens saying "The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."

Translated: A number of States in Congress, having expressed a desire to clarify certain powers and rights so as to limit the powers of the Federal government, hereby outline the following amendments to the Constitution, in order to make people trust the government more and ensure the government is less likely to become a tyranny.

No mention of natural human rights whatsoever, nor does the remainder of the text anywhere specify any idea of human rights. Indeed specifically with regards to the Second Amendment, its entire text is:

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Which has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with the preservation of the State and government.

Why don't YOU try actually reading the Constitution, before claiming that others haven't?

>>54302008
Like, literal dogs or special dogs like anthropomorphic or telepathic dogs like the ones in A Fire Upon The Deep?

Sentient but normal dogs wouldn't be able to build things with only their mouths.

I would expect a caste-based system where the elite is formed by smaller less fit dogs ( like pugs, poodles, etc ), worker class dogs being like street dogs with no specific race and "warrior" class doggos who are fit for combat ( like pitbulls, dobermans, rottweilers )

>>54335352
>>54335352
Yeah man just ignore the unalienable rights talked about in the Constitution, only focus on the Bill of Rights explicitly drafted to protect these unalienable rights with explicit laws in plain jay terms.

It's not like there wasn't serious contention in ratifying the new Constitution until these rights were specifically protected as many feared they would otherwise be infringed despite the whole nation coming in to being to protect these unalienable rights.
A fear, you so clearly demonstrate, was valid.

>>54335352
>>54335352
The bill of rights are not the constitution. They are amendments to the constitution.

Read your goddamn constitution.

>>54334897
Yeah, I'm sure. None of my direct family tree has even been in America.

>>54309358
English and Irish setters are the most popular hunting dogs in my country after the kurtzhaars. Good doggos.

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>>54334593
> Dogs are literally as far removed from their wolf ancestors as humans are their Savannah dwelling ancestors.
Dogs have been bred and domesticated, sure. But if there aren't any humans around, you get *feral* dogs. A lot of bad dog behavior right now is blamed (and rightly so) on bad owners who don't bother training or disciplining their pets. So, if there aren't a bunch of humans secretly running Dog Nation, we should assume they rose from wild/feral dog stock, possibly in some sort of post-apocalyptic setting where all their ancestors' human owners died. And in countries where feral dogs were/are a known thing, they were/are generally considered a goddamn menace.

> When you add whatever fantasy element is necessary to make them sapient enough to have a kingdom, they're even farther removed from their ancestors.

But if you use that as an argument, the answer to the OP is "Eh. Whatever, it's not like they retain any traits from their pre-sapient days, so there's no way to predict what you get." And that just feels like it's dodging the OP, so even though you have a point, it's one I don't think should be pursued.

>>54303472
>are hairless men nudists or what?

>>54336009
Most people don't generally have fur, anon. Humans developed clothes (at least in part) because we have no fluffy, fuzzy-wuzzy, coat to protect us from the elements.

>>54335953
>they were/are generally considered a goddamn menace.
So are feral humans. But the OP question was about what a nation or sapient dogs would be like.

>>54336127
Most humans have hair, and hair helps protect against the sun and cold. But bald guys aren't legally required to wear hats in public.

Shut the fuck up and post good boys

>>54302008
Politically, like the Most Serene Republic of Venice: the leader is a doge.

>>54336176
People don't have to cover their heads in general. Usually the 'taboo' areas of the body are sexual characteristics; the genitals, the breasts, and, in some cultures the face (for women, anyway).

Possibly, if we had evolved with fur obscuring our sexual parts, then it's possible that those without fur would be obliged to cover them by other means.

>>54336251
I like the way you think.

Major families could be different breeds, with all the stereotypes attached. Only the upper crust nobility is well bred/in bred enough to be specific breeds. The lower classes are all mutts.

Cool.

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>>54317098
>That's an argument to make both guns and dogs illegal
Say it with me,
SHALL

>>54302138
Bullshit, Pitts form the Military

>>54337176
NOT

>>54337202
BE

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>>54302008
I support Corgis as replacements for elves

>>54302070
Doggy dog?

>>54303531
AMERICAN
ESKIMO
SHAMANS

>>54337315
INFRINGED

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>>54337374
I like it.

I'd honestly have only the freakish dog breeds get magic. Maybe imply that their warped physical state is a result of their compacts with dark gods tainting their bloodline.

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>>54337430
>Pug and Chiuhahua Warlocks who channel power through the Bad Boy due to their complicated genetic make up and fuckery
>Incredibly powerful, but short life spans
I can dig it. Pic related also my interpretation of The Bad Boy

>>54337475
I do like a good dualistic pantheon. And Good Boy vs Bad Boy fits the bill.

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>>54337475
>>54337503
Now I want to right up whole theological treatise on Good Boy and Bad Boy

>>54337572
Lemme give it a quick shot

Best Boy
>Always share!
>When you meet someone new, always say hello!
>Have fun! But make sure others have fun too!
>A wagging tail is a happy tail!

Bad Boy
>I get all the food! Me!
>Everything is yours for the taking! No permission necessary!
>Always growl and bark at strangers! You can't trust anyone but yourself!
>Make sure their tails are tucked under! That will let them know your better than them!

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>>54302008
Rigidly segregated, but with no clear ruler caste. Instead, it's close to a very micromanaged republic, with individual bureaus occupied by singular breeds and mutts that feel closest to the bureau's respective caste.

Inter-caste mobility is done primarily through marriage and breeding, but certain cases, such as the famous pioneer-dog Buck, have been noted where an exceptional individual earned a place within a caste through merit.

>>54317098
It's an EXCELLENT argument that we should restrict gun and dog ownership as much as we restrict car ownership. If you can empirically prove that you're competent and stable enough to use either of these things without killing someone or yourself, you deserve to be able to own them.

>>54337670

"We" is another name for "I."

And I don't trust you to judge who's worthy.

The best alternative is to give them to everyone and let the rest sort itself out.

>>54337626
I think there'd be more nuance than that. For example barking at strangers to warn others could be a virtue.

I'm thinking the core tenants would be that Bood Boy treats everyone as a packmate, and Bad Boy is a lone wolf. Generally Good Boy represents domestication, selflessness, and cooperation a functioning society. Bad Boy is savagery, selfishness, and the feral call of the wild.

>>54337748
>Good Boy respects that his family is his pack
>Bad Boy lives on his own and leaves bitches to raise litters on their own

>>54337701
Just don't give either to black people and bam, suddenly there's almost no gun crime or dog attacks.
But das rayciss just ban guns instead.

>>54337852
This. If we want our nation to truly be free, we ought to restrict the rights of certain citizens. I propose we also ban Mexicans from holding jobs, left-handed people from using their left hands for religious purposes, and green-eyed people from speaking to blue-eyed people!

>>54337881

You snark to prove a point, but the simple fact of the matter is that certain citizens are terrible people.

I hate it. You hate it. We both wish it would change.

Alas.

>>54337777
Exactly.
>Good Boy hunts for his pack
>Bad Boy steals from the pack for himself

I'd have the church of Good Boy represent Good Boy as a Saintly figure in opposition of the devil/Bad Boy.

Followers of Bad Boy would see it differently. Seeing them as Yin and Yang, Id and Ego. Ie, you can't have one without the other, and you need both for balance.

>In the beginning there was Man
>And he created two Doggos, both in his image..

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>>54334699
>>Try training a tiger. I fucking dare you.
There's a difference between someone who knows tigers and can actually train them, and anon with no experience thinking it's a big cat and nothing else.
>>54334862
That's fine. I fucking hate little black spiders after seeing as a kid what happens to people getting bite by Black Widows. I also hate niggers because a group of them drove right up beside me while I was walking and threatened to kill and rape me. When we see something that we dislike, we hate we see and that hatred affects the whole group. It's human nature.

Now, what do people feel about the Kuvasz. A strong livestock dog breed to guard sheep and goats from wolves and bandits. The breed was almost wiped out in WW2 because the Kuvasz was so dedicated to protecting their families, that they were targeted by German and Soviet soldiers.

>>54337933
>The breed was almost wiped out in WW2 because the Kuvasz was so dedicated to protecting their families, that they were targeted by German and Soviet soldiers.
Truely Good Boys

I might have Kuvasz be a lost noble house of legend. Prophesied to come back in a time of great need.

>>54337933
Yeah, exactly. Statistics reinforce time and again that Pit Bulls are not safe for regular people to train, just like a tiger. They are more volatile than any other common pet, and are more dangerous than some none-domesticated animals (including equivalently sized predatory monitor lizards).

>>54338185
>including equivalently sized predatory monitor lizards
there are 80lb monitor lizards?

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>>54328533
>implying that would be anything but rare fringe violence for lower class doggos
>not enjoying scandalous feline relationships

>>54338329
Average Asian water monitor can get to 43 pounds, but the maximum (which can easily be reach in a safe environment, like a household) is over 110 pounds. They're the second heaviest lizard in the world, behind the Komodo Dragon. You can buy an Asian Water Monitor, they're legal.

>>54338396

>Average Asian water monitor can get to 43 pounds, but the maximum (which can easily be reach in a safe environment, like a household) is over 110 pounds.
>easily be reach

The what's the maximum that's hard to reach? Not that I want to feed children to such a beast or anything, but I'm getting old and the idea might be hilarious to me in my sunset years.

>>54337777
QUADS OF TRUTH

>>54328533
I do like the idea of jewish cats and blood libel.

>>54338396
Neat. I'd like to have a couple hundred pound lizards in my garage.

>>54338445
There are reports of these lizards getting up to 165 to 198 pounds, but these reports are unverified. Crocodile Monitors are similar to Asian Water Monitors, with (same unverified) reports of up to 200 pounds. Or you could just buy an Alligator or Crocodile. They're pretty fucking big and legal in multiple states in the Untied States I'm Canadian and I believe we can even have them in Canada. I think.

>>54338564

Jesus Christ.

>>54338635
>Jesus Christ.
Big ass lizards or my nationality?

>>54338676

The fact that you're a Canadian basically means nothing to me, unless you're one of the people that fuck up /v/ in your spare time.

The bigass lizards are a goddamned nightmare made scaly flesh. I can't even imagine one of those fuckers weighing in at 150 lbs.

Really makes me wonder if actually I could feed a kid to one.

>>54338803
The nationality part was a joke. You probably could feed a child to one of them, but it'll most likely need a small child. Maybe. I need to learn more about that.

I feel like someone's about to throw me in a hole with some lotion reading these last few comments.

>>54339075

why would lotion ever read the last few comments, anon

>>54338635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um4-iLnrrXw

Florida actually has problems with them, as people freak out when they get big and dump them into the local water ways, where they thrive.

>>54339107
>IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET

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>>54338803
Okey read about it. I believe a child would and can be eaten by an Asian water monitor. The damage they can do is similar to that of the Nile monitor, which is grievous if it's an adult and you are an child (Hell, Nile monitors are smaller and the damage they can do to adult humans is somewhat amazing) This is a bite from an adult Nile to the hand of an adult human. As you can tell is quite deep, and Nile's only get to 3 ft 11 to 7 ft 3 in and weighing from 13 to 33 pounds, with maximum being 44 pounds (and the Asian Monitor average is 43 pounds). So by my hypothesis, a hungry adult Asian Water Monitor can kill a child. If a Nile can do that, and it's on the hand, then an Asian Water Monitor that bites a child's face or throat will kill him/her.

>>54339262
Aww. It's so cute.

>>54302998
He's on loan from Baaarbados.

>>54307473
No weirder than many less than perfect childhoods, including my own. Seriously, I saw my mom and dad do the human equivalent so many times as a child, and I am completely fucked up and unable to trust people enough to have a romantic relationship at the age of 35 just fine.

>>54313146
That's better than Clifford D Simak's City, based on the same theme, and it got a Hugo back in the day.

>>54338857
Canadians eat small children?

Shih Tzus: Foreign dignitaries, or primpy WASP analogue?

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Posting Aristocratic 1% doggo.

>>54340192
Increasingly wealthy bureaucrats.

>>54339672
So you need a hug anon?

>>54319464
Bobby socks is a good name for a dog. It sounds like he was a good dog.

>>54340165
Yes. We submerge them in boiling maple syrup for about a hour or so, and then we cut them up in little pieces and sell them to other Canadians. Why do you think we're so big on immigration?

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>>54334593
>or that monkey people all still fling poo.
Now there's a magical realm I'd dare enter.

>>54342001
To each their own anon, but I think your fetish is shit.

>>54334593
So not removed at all? Capable of full interbreeding and of similar intelligence?

The wolfers are as bad as katana otaki, I swear.

>>54317269
you left out the fact that guns are inanimate objects that are only as dangerous as the person using them, pitbulls aren't

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>>54342001
Well, go ahead...

>>54337475
Chihuahuas have pretty god lifespans of around 12 years.
They'd have to be the long-lived race

>>54317385
>If you think that <10% of the dogs in America being responsible for >60% fatal attacks doesn't have anything to do with genetic factors youre a fool
And if you assume genetic factors without evidence even when it's known they're commonly raised specifically to be aggressive by trashy people then you're a retard.
I mean the level of double think is just pathetic when pitbull haters simultaneously disparage them as dogs for criminals and awful people yet insist such factors couldn't possibly have any significant impact on the dogs' behaviour.
>Pitbulls were bred for bull baiting and dog fights, why wouldn't they be hyper aggressive and dangerous?
Well for one you haven't actually proven to what if any degree any behaviours were bred into them and for another, you lopsidedly condemn pitbulls as tainted devil dogs based on their history while ignoring many other dogs raised to hunt and fight and do other aggressive actions.
I wouldn't even argue that they haven't gain ANY aggressive/combative tendencies from their breeding but you're clearly just using that as an excuse to support your personal biases and whatever claims you feel like making rather than really trying to measure and discover the behavioural effect of breeding.

>>54319570
>for single moms with skanky tatoos that smoke too much
Yet you can't imagine the connection between them being raised by trashy people and criminals and their resulting behaviour and reputation? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy especially with niggers like you happy to engage in confirmation bias with the justification that you feel you're right.

>>54322727
>Another problem is they were bred to fight prey as large as themselves and larger and never give up.
The thing is that applies to a bunch of other breeds too but people only want to use it to condemn pitbulls.

>>54345347
Chihuahas aren't living beings.

>>54345494
Do you even own one fag ?

>>54337933
>>54338075
>The breed was almost wiped out in WW2 because the Kuvasz was so dedicated to protecting their families, that they were targeted by German and Soviet soldiers
Something similar actually happened to the akita. They would defend their family and house against anyone which made trouble for raiding soldiers so an extermination order was put out. To save beloved dogs they were crossbred with others like the german shepherd and passed off as just the other breed or released into the mountains where they mated with wild dogs.They had to make an effort to restore the breed as best they could and are strict about certain traits from crossbreeding disqualifying dogs from being true japanese akitas which they consider a national monument.
The sometimes bigger crossbred dogs were also the ones that were brought back by americans and developed into the american akita which, somewhat ironically, only the US and canada don't differentiate from the japanese.

>>54345545
No, but that would only be an anecdote no better than the morons trying to make emotional appeals with cases of babies being attacked, you retard.

>>54316962
>the dogs most commonly trained to fight are the most likely to attack someone

Really makes you think.

>>54345545
Not him, but I owned a shelter rescue that was pretty clearly majority pit bull. I forget the exact details but the shelter could tell she had been abused pretty badly by her first family. Her hip/legs gave out on her at 15 years old around the beginning of the year and we had to put her down.

We honestly put like, 0 effort into training her, but we were always mindful of her comfort levels. She didn't like strangers touching her and so we asked them not to when walking her. We never had an incident worse than her growling when someone invaded her space regardless of what we said or before we could ask them otherwise. They always got the message and we always made sure to remove her from that situation.

She was actually the biggest fucking coward I've ever seen in a dog.

>>54335609
The Constitution does not once mention inalienable rights, amended or otherwise. You're thinking of the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is a legal document and framework for the United States, not a moral code.

>It's not like there wasn't serious contention in ratifying the new Constitution until these rights were specifically protected

Sure, but that doesn't make them inalienable human rights. The people simply felt that these should be civil rights that the Federal government should be charged to protect, but they are specifically that - civil rights, not natural ones.

Again, the Constitution is a legal document, not a moral code.

>>54335765
>The bill of rights are not the constitution. They are amendments to the constitution.

The amendments are a part of the Constitution, nimrod; they either add to the Constitution (such as in the Bill of Rights) or change it (such as in the case of the 12th Amendment, which changes Article II, Section 1, Clause 3).

>>54345347
My parents' chihuahua lived to be 18