Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for orks, no /pol/ pleaserino

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Why are Tau so based ?

Dorn would be a Dallasfag.

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xth for Regiment rules

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>>54262447
Because we cut off everything but the base

6th for the Dark Ages weren't a real thing

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7th for new lore proving anybody can do everything better than the Emperor did it.

>>54262455
I wish Vostroyans weren't just online order only, the snipers and HWT are practically always out of stock.

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>>54262464
>He needs fanart to prove his point

Imperiumfags will never learn.

>>54262464
prime beef they are

>>54262426
I was going to make a faux political reply to this about how you can't trust Deathskulls... but would probably trigger some autist to go into a real political tirade.

We can't have anything nice these days.

>>54262500
>literally fake news
Zoom out a little farther and see that the two brave battle brothers in that picture were the first of hundreds charging behind them to purge the xenos filth from that world

Asking for written proof of normal marines becoming Primaris.
Couldn't find any so maybe I missed it.

I'd appreciate the exact passage.

>>54262464

>we're 12 feet tall now

>>54262500
>Imperium loses the eastern fringe to the tau
>suddenly, miraculously, a "greater threat" just coincidentally appears so the imperium can ally with the tau to fight it off before running away and swearing they'll be back
>and yet the eastern fringe stands uncontested under tau control

Makes you wonder. Did the great crusades even ever happen? or was it all just the daydream of a self-styled emperor?
hmmmmmmmmm

>>54262513
I know, it's too bad that we can't have any discussions about reality without a marxist cultist screeching about whatever revisionist fantasy is the flavor of the month.

Remember when "half of all viking warriors were female" a year or two back?

>>54262500
That is pretty epic art almost makes me want to play tau desu

>>54262524
Only being talked about that it is possible in Dark Imperium, it never actually happened. Might even be a lie of Cawl and Guilliman to keep old marines from revolting.

>>54262525
Tau and all over asian communists are both short (4.5 feet on average) and underfed due to communism-induced famine. Those heights are easily within scale.

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is it just me or does the geedubs drone seem more over-designed than the forgeworld one.

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still looking for input:
Got a game on wednesday, my opp will be fielding either skitarii, guard, or necrons.

Dark Eldar: 1999 pts

>Outrider Detachment
Succubus - 72 pts: Archite Glaive/blast pistol

Incubi - 98 pts - klaivex with demiklaives, 4 incubi with klaives

Raider - 116 pts - Dark lance/bladevanes/shock prow

Reavers(6) - 224 pts - Arena champion with agonizer, 1 reaver with default loadout, 2 reavers with blasters, 2 reavers with Grav-talons

Hellions(5) - 92 pts - helliarch with power sword, 4 hellions default

Hellions(5) - 92 pts - helliarch with power sword, 4 hellions default

Scourges(5) - 130 pts - solarite default, 4 scourges with blasters

>Spearhead Detachment
Haemonculus - 96 pts - Liquifier gun, electrocorrosive whip

Ravager - 156 pts - 3 dark lances, shock prow

talos - 125 pts - macro scalpel, macro scalpel, 2 splinter cannons

talos - 125 pts - macro scalpel, macro scalpel, 2 splinter cannons

>Vanguard detachment
Archon - 79 pts - huskblade, blaster

Kabalite trueborn(5) 118 pts- dracon with phantasm grenade launcher, 4 trueborn with blasters
>On Venom 80 pts - twin splinter rifle, splinter cannon

Kabalite trueborn(5) 118 pts- dracon with phantasm grenade launcher, 4 trueborn with blasters
>On Venom 80 pts, twin splinter rifle, splinter cannon

Kabalite trueborn(5) 118 pts- dracon with phantasm grenade launcher, 4 trueborn with blasters
>On Venom 80pts, twin splinter rifle, splinter cannon

>>54262552
When Guilliman talks with the AI?

>>54262555
>asian communists
wait

are tau commies or anime?

These things are mutually exclusive.

So, since some people are assuming Primaris is the start of a trend, how would you Primaris up all the other armies? Bigger Orks are easy, you can always evolve Tyranids. But what about everyone else?

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>>54262523
>ahah! if my 15 feet high 30k veteran marines fanart didn't work i'll get in with Headcannon!!

>>54262555
Holy kek, is that true? My family escaped the commie shit before it happened so I'm moderate to slightly below average but 4.5 feet is insane

>>54262555
No anon, only non-primaris marines are THAT short.

>>54262573
>we spent 10,000 years making this mutant demon machine with religiously zeal
>better not put any chaos symbols on it someone might complain that it looks overdesigned

>>54262573
GW over-designs all new models to make it as hard as possible to recast them or reprint them in a 3D printer. It's a higher up decision, has little or nothing to do with actualy design choice.

>>54262573
Harder to recast.

>>54262601
im not complaining, i actually like how it looks i just noticed it when i was putting the other one together how much simpler it was and therefor easier to paint.

>>54262586
squat the elves

necron warriors become necron immortals, the rest of their line is fine

we already have "primaris" tau suits with the coldstar and enforcer. As well as the ghostkeel for stealth suits.

Did I miss anyone?

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>>54262584
u wot

>>54262575
whoops, succubus is 82 points, talos is 122 each, and hellions are 89 pts.

forgot I changed up their weaponry slightly when listing off point values.

>>54262573
I like the GW one way more, I hate that bumpy texture all over the FW one.

>>54262586
they get squatted for more hot marine on marine action with some npc races for flavor

>>54262601
>What this demon engine needs to really kill the servants of the false emperor is a shitty looking fly emblazoned over it

>not a good looking one? Or just maybe the symbol of grandfather nurgle?

>Nah, I'm thinking just a really huge fly that looks like total shit

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>>54262610
that makes sense

>>54262555

>xenos-lets
nah, art is just whack

>>54262573

FW good stuff

you know what, screw that >p2win guy
post your favourite FW models

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>>54262523
>5 Ravenfags dead to 3 suit in a couple of seconds
>only 1000 marines in a chapter
>while 1000 suit is like a skirmish force
nice damage control tho.
have some more official cannon art, Gue'la

>>54262586
Just look at AoS, the most popular factions will get new, way bigger models, the rest are soft-squatted (still rules for now, but models no longer sold)

>>54262573
Well that forgeworld model is well over a decade old.

And the gw model is probably no older than 1 or 2 years.

Technology and casting science has changed in the interim.

>>54262643
>cannon art
>no cannons pictured
You tryin' to cheat me?

>>54262643
>literally a CNN shot of the exact same dead marine from the previous picture but with an new guy standing over it

Waiting for the "marine" to stand up in the revealing liveleak video

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>>54262640
My favorite FW model is probably pretty boring my most standards, but I fucking love Apothecaries.

>>54262655
But there is a cannon, anon.

>>54262644

Shit, which armies are safe and which will get soft-squatted
(excluding primaris and ultramarines of course)

>>54262655

but he has a glowing cannon right on his left arm

Vanguard Veterans with Jump packs Plasma Pistols and Axes near a Captain

vs

Thunderhammer Stormshield Terminators with a Chappy

Whats gonna be better in an all comers

>>54262662
wait did that actually happen?

in real life I mean, with cnn, live leak, and a soldier or something?

>>54262663
Man that cancer resin just gives me the creeps to look at. How could people be okay with just staring down the barrel of death like that?

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>>54262640
It's just land raider redeemer, but I guess that totally makes it more P2W than the plastic version.

>>54262640
mine is the drone that i pictured above, hence why i was willing to buy it. the idea of flying nurgle anything is just too great.

>>54262677
>which armies are safe
Tau is the newest army that's not a branch off of an existing faction (read imperial) therefore tau.

>>54262677
That's a plasma gun, anon. It's too puny to be a cannon and Tau now officially get the shitty plasma weapons.

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>>54262680
Not CNN in particular but it's happened plenty especially with Syria and shit.

>>54262669
>>54262677
That's a rifle, not a cannon.

Tau confirmed backsliders.

>>54262683
>cancer resin

>he doesn't know that the walls of the building he's in RIGHT NOW have asbestos in them which is literally more cancerous than any amount of resin dust.

uh oh

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>>54262680
They love doing it with Syrian kids (in more ways than one)

>>54262696
aaand /pol/ strikes again
reee

>>54262696
>19 April 2916

Holy shit, Assad is ded 'ard.

>>54262700
Cute deflection, enjoy paying hundreds of dollars to get cancer.

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>>54262707
>pointing out that the media fakes shit constantly to push political agendas is /pol/
>even if it's in response to a question
>>54262711
kek

>>54262723
>he doesn't know that chinese recasters use non-carcinogenic resin because it's cheaper but wears out moulds faster

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>>54262640
Best looking marine flyer there is (besides the Thunderhawk of course, but fuck that thing is expensive)

>>54262683
It's only a bit risky if you drill into it or file it down in a room with little to no ventilation without a dust mask. You're ruining your lungs way more by walking next to a road with lots of traffic.

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>>54262640

>>54262723
>>54262740
Where did this getting cancer from resin meme start anyway?

>>54262706
CNN is retarded, what else is new ?

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>>54262464
>That 25feet high sword wielding dude strikes at S4
>Small pulse rifle is S5

really tells more about the marines desu famalam.

>>54262723
>not commissioning somebody to clean, prime and basecoat spray all your resin for you so all you have to do is paint it

what are you some kinda poorfag?

Reposting because I never got an answer

Is there any tips or places I can find that would give me insight into the little things of 40k? Like what a voidship looks like on the inside or what prayers one says to a plasma pistol as you reload? Little cool/interesting details. I want to write a bit of lore for my dudes.

>>54262764
lexicanum

>>54262740
>ALL MODEL VERY SAFE RESIN PASS SAFETY TEST
>THIS A LIFESTYLE FOR ME I TAKE VERY GOOD PRIDE IN WORK

Oh yeah man totally safe, wow

>>54262764
Read through the FFG RPG books.
It's no longer "canon", but it was and a lot was written by GW contributors.

>>54262678
I suppose if there were a few stormshields in the vets they'd be almost as tough , and the pistols are nice in case you don't make it into melee from the deepstrike

>>54262752
If you huff resin dust.

And I mean literally huff bag after bag, pound upon pound, of resin dust.

5 days a week

for 20 years

you have about a 50/50 chance of developing lung cancer.

Granted, this also applies to literally anyone exposed to literally any fine particulate matter for that long. Chalk, saw dust, coal dust, stone dust, etc.

>>54262740
All resin dust is carcinagenic you retards, ALL particulates are carcinogenic when inhaled, including shit like rock dust, wood shavings, whatever. If it's not going to break down in water within a few days, inhaling it is carcinogenic.

>>54262769
no. even the 40k wikia is better than the bolsicanum.

>>54262764

warhammer wiki
lexicanum just doesn't have as much random info and crap

>>54262745

If FW resin was that dangerous, do you really think they could make and sell it in Britain?

>>54262745
just drill it underwater

>>54262773
>he thinks the chinamen are going to admit to using the cheap stuff

If you ask them, they'll say it's the same stuff FW uses but if you look at them both side by side you can tell what's high quality carcinogenic resin and what's cheap cancer-free stuff.

>>54262784
Its always funny when resiniscancer.jpg fags smoke 20cigs a day

>>54262492
It took Cawl 10,000 years to get the Primaris to a deployable state. I wouldn't call that being better.

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>>54262797
>I CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT IT THAT IT'S CANCER FREE

>>54262797
Adding the cancer costs extra.

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>>54262785
>>54262784
>particulate mind

>>54262811
>that image
Holy fucking kek

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>>54262640

/pol/ and resin dust fags, good thread boys.

>>54262809
Oh, his work was objectively better. More efficient? Faster? Fuck no. But qualitatively better.

>>54262790
>If FW resin was that dangerous, do you really think they could make and sell it in Britain?

Well chemicals like petrol and certain fertilizers (which you can use to make explosives) are way more dangerous, yet those are also produced and sold.
Whether or not something is legal largely depends on how profitable it is compared to how unhealthy/dangerous it is, and how the public thinks about it.

>>54262823
ONLY MARKISTS GET CANCER FROM RESIN DUST, REEEEEEE

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>>54262823
>I'm not shitposting honest! I'm just drawing attention to the stuff that's only tangentially /40k/ related so that it intensifies.

>>54262823
/pol/fags make me want to chug resin dust.

Probably best just to report them all and see if anything comes of it. It would be great to have a /tg/ discussion on /tg/.

>>54262829
Marxists get cancer by existing, everyone else gets cancer from marxists and resin dust.

>>54262829
>He can't even bring himself to use the name of his god in vain

Ok so resin dust is bad.

But so is glue fumes.

What if, like, I huffed both? Wouldn't the resin dust adhere to the glue in like a big "hairball" of resin and glue that I would just cough up?

Do they cancel each other out?

>Guilliman will never turn his attention to the Tau because the mary sue levels will reach critical mass

So, did GW every use lead, or are all their old minis pewter? Thread is making me want to lick some old RT minis.

>>54262858
>Farsignt defeats Guilliman
WHEN?

>>54262858
Since Tau were first released as a new faction, they have always felt like the new main characters of 40k.

Like when a long running show suddenly moves their established characters into the background and some random new character comes in and takes center stage.

Like how Fonzie and Richie faded into obscurity in Happy Days and were replaced by the new main characters Jonie and Chachi.

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>>54262822
Step aside, suitlets

>>54262686

Its actually a slightly worse redeemer since two psycannons dont really measure up to two assault cannons now that assault cannons are heavy 6 each.

>>54262875
The fuck are you talking about? They've had like 3 major fluff events since their inception.

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Played a good game of 8th essentially using just my 30k Custodes and Knights. Had Celestine lead the force versus a healthy chunk of Guard.

Tabled him by Turn 4 and lost one Custode, one Dread, and a Knight was busted down to one wound.

Really fun first game of 8th but man it feels so stupidly dumbed down. Mortal wounds from exploding vehicles is asinine as are mortal wounds on the whole.

Also denying Invuls seems fucking stupid

>>54262883
I love Ultraman!

>>54262706
I think the photograph explained, it was simply handled by 3 different guys. One guy unearthed her, the 2nd brought her to the medic and the last I don't know but you see wht I mean.

>>54262875
Tau just have plot armour because if they did suffer a serious defeat they'd be wiped out. So when the choice is squatting them, or applying hilarious amounts of plot armour there is little choice if you want to keep the faction.

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>>54262883
>mfw I can buy 5 (CINCO) of this 450parts PLASTIC moldlinefree fully articulated 40cm high kit or I can buy one (UNO) of bubble holed pic related

>>54262899
Cry about it, bitch boy. Welcome Back.

>>54262919

God stormsurges look fucking stupid.

>>54262899
>Cuckstodes player complaining about mortal wounds

Somehow I'm not suprised.

>>54262940
>He plays Guard and is just salty Custodes pushed his shit in

Mortal wounds ARE stupid, most people agree with this.

>>54262945
I don't mind them but their ignoring of invuls is retarded.

>>54262899
Mortal wounds are good, it's great that there's finally ways to really counter tough shit with strong invulns

>>54262899
Nice models, anon.

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>>54262936
Looks like the retarded child of a Longbow.

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>>54262936
Anata wa nani o iimashita ka, mishiranu hitodesu ka?

>>54262945
>most people agree with this.
I'm going to have to see some numbers to back that up.

>>54262949
Agreed, anyone who doesn't like mortal wounds can keep crying

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Discuss. Will we get bigger vanilla marines (TS size) or will they be gone altogether? The point is, primaris marines have 2 wounds so they can't technically superseeded regular marines easily unless chaos marines get 2 wounds either. i'd love bigger vanilla marines, yet - since they relesead or gonna release every primaris counterpart of regular marines, it's probably not gonna happen.

>>54262945
literraly no one agree with this.

you're just salty 60 points of biovore hardcounter your cuckstodes

>>54262954
>gun misaligned in the center

>>54262945
>most people agree with this.
Funny, I find that most people approve of mortal wounds. No one likes to play against death stars, anon.

Is corbax utterblight worth it? What about plague toads?

So how does summoning work this edition? Do you still get free daemons?

>>54262945
Mortal wounds as a unification of instant death and similar race-specific effects are fine, though even then not always (motherrfucking direswords). Mortal wounds being caused by everything are not.

>>54262966
>He thinks I'm the Custodes player

Wew lad back up your salt a bit.

>>54262790
its not so much the resin itself.
any fine powder like that is bad to breath in.

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>>54262973

>>54262969
>what is a blu-tack wip

Ok lets agree on something.

Mortal wounds are ok.

Mortal wounds being caused by random things such as exploding vehicles or random hand weapons is silly. They're everywhere.

>>54262985
>implying

>>54262973
Not in matched play. You gotta have some points reserved for summoning units (for example, if you bring a 1200 point list to a 1500 point game you can summon up to 300 points of daemons)

>>54262978
Good thing not everything does cause mortal wounds then, only psychic powers, select weapons and certain effects.

>>54262994
It is though.

>>54262992
>they're everywhere

huh yeah so no.

>>54262985
Holy shit I wish I were Levar Burton!

>>54262985
Don't have it yet and on mobile so can't look at odf.

>>54262998
>only weapons, powers, and other things

>>54263006
>on mobile so can't look at odf.
That's a goddamn lie.

>>54262899
Custodes and knights are strong. Annoyingly so. Not fun to play against in casual games.

>>54263002
>He thinks vehicles exploding is a valid Mortal wound

>>54262973
No, unless its narrative or open play they cost points. All new units cost points but some effects let existibg ubits recover losses or grow without points. Horrors get fucked and pay to split.

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>>54262992
Disagreed.

Beats having to roll to wound, saves, feel no pain etc. every time a vehicle goes boom.

>>54262996
What about in powerlevels? Do you have to reserve them too?

>>54262992
I'm fine with explosion mortal wounds. Used to be half the armies didn't have to care about them just because they had decent armour.

Just keep your important shit outside of nearby vehicles' explosion range

>>54263026
Probably, or else your buddy just summons demons out of his ass.

>>54263014
I have to download the mega pdf and my phone is already crammed with porn.

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Anyone have the ebup or pdf for Dead men walking? It's not in the mega link.

>>54263026
In "matched play with power levels" probably but not in open or narrative.

>>54262858

I keep saying it
Ventris was waxing about honourable tau to girlyman
tau novels have marines that respect the tau, the marines in question are always ultramarines
shit is nobledark yo

>>54262936
they just need arms

>>54262883

meh, I like the FW suits

>>54263026
Nope only points. So if you play with power you can summon as much as you want.

So i'm missing the arm of my old school pewter Eversor assassin, the one where he's holding a head up in one arm. What arm do you think would make a good substitute? I was thinking a harlequin arm might do well.

>>54262447
Genuinely curious, what attracts people to the Tau? I find them largely unappealing, but have done ever since their introduction way back when. The more recent introduction of their mary-sue-like fluff does not help, and I really don't say that to provoke. You have to admit that the Tau have done remarkably well for themselves in a setting that most often personifies entropy, loss and stagnation. To me, that is jarring.

Personally I love the Kroot look and lore and wish the army was more an alliance of mixed allien races, with some unifying features. Perhaps if they played up the darker aspects of the Tau that have been hinted at (chemical castration of "allied" races, the Ethereal's supernatural control over other castes, Farsight's blade) it would feel a bit more 40k. Maybe I'm just being a dumb, angry nerd.

Tau players, what made you start collecting the army? What is it about the Tau that keeps you playing? What are your favourite Lore aspects and why do you feel Tau compliment the 40k narrative?

>>54262972
not sure, he lost his psyker levels for some reason.

>>54263055
They're setting up order vs chaos vs orks again. The Imperium allies with elves and Tau plus possibly necrons, chaos gets a wad of new toys and armies to match, orks languish in obscurity for another decade until the Ultra Age is done and proper end times release.

>>54263094
Was close to starting tau because mother fucking robot suits.

But I chose Orks.

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>>54263094
>Tau players, what made you start collecting the army? What is it about the Tau that keeps you playing? What are your favourite Lore aspects and why do you feel Tau compliment the 40k narrative?

I played Blood angels until the first T'au codex drop.
Why : MOTHERFUCKING MOBILE SUITS

>>54263094
I like the battlesuit aesthetic. The idea of a few, super powerful badass suits gunning down their enemies realy appeals to me.

>>54262872
>Farsight and Guilliman meet eyes on the smoky plains outside a T'au city
>bullets and pulse fire whizz past them as each begins to charge at the other, gaining momentum with each step
>Farsight's thrusters engage
>Guilliman's stomping becomes rolling thunder
>The Dawn Blade held at his side
>The Emperor's Blade readied at shoulder level
>the distance closes with each passing second
>both warriors judging the optimal angle of attack
>Blade and armor meets in a clash of sparks and screeching metal for a mere instant as both warriors pass each other
>Farsight lands with one bent knee
>Guilliman halts his charge with a slight stumble
>crackling electricity from exposed wires can be heard as sensor alarms chime in letting O'shovah know of the obvious
>the lower-right portion of the torso of his suit has been completely cleaved off and singed
>the right leg is barely held in place by a few melted parts
>Guilliman feels something he hasn't felt in centuries
>beneath the layers of armor and carapace he feels freely flowing blood
>even if barely a scratch, the Xeno still managed to draw blood
>He would continue his father's work and eliminate this foul species from the galaxy, he would not suffer the T'au to exist and expand, lest the Imperium face yet another major threat

I don't know. I was fucking bored.

>>54262972
Im guessing nobody owns either?

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>>54263094
pic related

>>54263096
All the ruinstorm dudes seem anti psyker maybe they didnt want to make it confusing? T8 sounds awesome though.

>>54263109
>>54263117
>/m/
>liking T'au shit
WEW

Also, Aegis is shit, and Athrun's worst suit by a mile.

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>>54263094
>what attracts people to the Tau?

I love exo armors and megasuits

>>54263094
I like
the suits
the optimistic, hopeful race that offers contrast to the rest of the setting, helping bring it out
dudes who aren't just evil or jackasses
cutting edge pew-pew

>>54263114
i just finished putting cor bax together but plague toads didnt have 40k rules until 8th index afaik so most people who play 40k probably dont have them.

>>54262964
vanilla marines will probably eventually be gone.
but its likely to be years and multiple edditions before GW just goes back to only selling one type of marine (primaris).
they're not in the habit of retiring plastic kits frequently.

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>>54263094
Being on the right side of history.

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>>54263094
MEGASUITS

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>>54263142
>all these total fucking plebs who like the shitty suits
The absolute best part of the T'au is the aesthetic of their model line...... if you remove 90% of the stupid fucking suits.

Fire Warriors/Breachers, Piranhas, Hammerheads, Drones, Razorsharks, all that shit looks awesome.

The Stealthsuits and Ghostkeel are pretty okay.

All the other suit shit is absolutely garbage and ruins the army.

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>>54262745
I like this one for Tau FW fliers.

>>54262575
thats a really nice display.

>>54263094
They're all weebs, marxists and liberals. That explains most of it really.

>>54263148
I really wish FW still sold plague hulks and Mamon. Instead there are awful shit like the blood slaughterers.

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Are those guys compatibile with cadian shock troops box - especially torsoes and heads? I want to make a plaque zombie herd.

>>54263168
>implying

I was sold on the Riptide the moment I read that one of them grabbed a imperial knight and suplexed it across a wall

>>54263161
What's the pro loadout for Commanders these days, now that they can fire more than two weapons at once and with all the support system changes?

>>54263175
I'm still working on basing everything, and I've since actually painted a succubus, and I just need to finish painting my haem.

I've been out of the downloading scene for a long time. Anyone know where I can grab either audio or pdf's of the somewhat recent Dante and Mephiston novels?

>>54262972
Literally the only two shit nurgle FW models. Play anything else.

>>54263168
Well, you can see why GW put suits in the faction. It sells.
>>54263177
I'd unironically like to know why being liberal is a bad thing.

>>54263149
Yes, but does it mean, that they'll keep producing manlets or just simply sell off what they already have?

>>54263188
Fusion or missile ats

>>54263195
>I'd unironically like to know why being liberal is a bad thing.
People confuse liberals with progressives, which leads to people thinking that every liberal is a retarded marxist sjw.

>>54263177
Liberals and weebs for sure, but the reds wouldnt like a caste system and definitely wouldnt like the color blue. Tbh they probably play mechanicus or chaos.

>>54263094
First off, it was my first roll of my demo game with Tau. The Hammerhead I shot blasted 8 Boyz off the table through a giant hole-shaped piece of terrain from across the map and it felt great. Second, I enjoy the lore of how the T'au came to be and how they work. With the guise of noblebright, they're pretty big fucking dicks when they come to expand, slowly wiggling their roots into the society, weeding out dissenters and rewarding the faithful, it's downright dirty. The models are cool as shit too(bar the Stormsurge, unless it gets modded to have arms, I plan to do that to mine if I ever get one.) I do wish they would hold up on the suits for a bit to give us more Xenos Auxiliaries, there's so much they could do to make the T'au translate from fluff to table. Different Xenos could help you "adapt" to your opponent's playstyle instead of choosing JSJ tactics or gunline. I haven't played them in 8th yet because I've been focusing on my DE, though. I really didn't like posting that I played T'au on here back in 7th because EVERY time, to even get a moment of decent discussion, I had to prove that I wasn't an Unpainted Triple-tide spammer before beginning conversation.

I think my least favorite would probably have to be Shadowsun. She had such potential and got Mary-sue'd to fuck. Even now, just T'au in general are winning too much because if they did suffer a major loss, it's 200x worse than the Imperium having a major loss. I feel that the T'au compliment 40k by being the single speck of light among the vast sea of darkness, but even light creates it's own shadows. Example: some of the darker side of T'au is how they take over worlds as I mentioned above, or the Ethereal mind control, or one can even assume that if there is any actual T'au, the blueberries, dissenting, they are promptly removed/retrained/have an "accident", or are sent to work in the more dangerous Earth Caste workshops where their ideas toxic to the Greater Good will never be heard.

>>54262575
Cannons for venoms, meatshields that fit into a raider for homo, swap incubi for a pile of bloodbrides so the succubus doesn't have to chase jetbikers on foot.

>>54262899
Your army looks amazing, love the knights+custodes idea.

>>54263218
First roll of my first 40k game ever, I meant to say.

>>54263094
>chemical castration of "allied" races

Not canon. Was never canon. Castrate yourself with a rusted dull knife please.

And if you don't believe that the Tau darker aspects aren't being highlighted then you haven't read Phil Kelly's Farsight books which means you shou;d KYS.

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>>54263161
Hah suits then I guess.
Seems like a solid business decision; plastic gundam kits sell well let's add them to our own plastic toy soldier line.

Thanks for the info guys.

>>54263198
keep producing them for a while.

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>>54263094
mainly for the suits honeslty.
I mean, come on.

>>54262447
Can claim the rest of it is colour scheme if you base well enough, I guess.

>>54263209
mechanicus has a rediculously rigid heirarchy and religious overtones, thats not exactly what i'de call marxist

>>54263195
>I'd unironically like to know why being liberal is a bad thing.
Because liberals allow for uncontrolled and unfettered degeneracy which in turn leads to societal and cultural degradation. They care more about the feelings of a fag or a tranny than statistics showing otherwise. And before you say something about progressives, no, classical liberals are idiots who genuinely think that small governments can work. All of you are delusional idiots.

>>54263236
>read Phil Kelly's Farsight books

If I wanted to read the equivalent of some guy performing fellatio on his latest mancrush I'd just look up some written gay porn, at least that's less pretentious.

>>54263236
No, but then nothing in 40k is. Even orks have currency based economics. Mechanicus just takes some of stalinist aesthetic.

>>54263168
You know most play T'au for the Suits right ? if not for that, they would have been squatted like vostroyoans due to lack of sales.

>>54263253
You need to go back.

>>54263253
Don't let yourself get too polarized, anon. You ever hear of "divide and conquer"?

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>>54263094
Because they have broadsides.

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>>54262954

A lot better

>>54262952

Don't insult the longbow like that

>>54263055

it needs more than arms, its stupid bow legs need some reposing like >>54262954

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>>54263275
>>54263278
>>54263281
Maybe he's doing some 40K roleplaying. Either that or he's a legit fucking cultist.

>>54263269

GW shills suits on the Facebook page if someone asks about starting Tau
The Tau profile doesn't even mention aux races, but mentions suits

Must be selling suits way more than kroots

>>54263243

Eh, just a dude with xboxhueg guns
The other FW variants are nicer

>>54263218
Ah yeah, the first game is pretty stirring stuff; especially if you have someone awesome leading you through it.

I'd love to see more of the political quieting that goes on, but maybe I've missed out on some key moments because I'm not up to date on novels as >>54263236 mentioned.

Every story of Tau naivety is great as well and feels very 40k. It's a cool way of integrating a noblebright race into a grimdark setting. Dark Eldar blue grotesques kind of thing.

>>54263268
>the no canon bullshit

Wrong, 40K has a canon so says based Laurie Goulding

>>54262861
It's all pewter. It's a sweet tasting metal and was even used as a sweetener for a time. You should lick away, it's pretty awesome.

>>54263290
>when the club so gay you see a dude with jizz tattooed on his forehead

>>54263309
It got to the point where people wouldn't recognize him without jizz on his forehead.

>>54263295
>Tau Naivety
When I read the "We defeated Slaanesh!" Tau story and the "Cultural exchange" one, I was in fucking stitches.

I also love DE lore because it's so over the top edgy, it's incredible. It's a race to see who out "teleports behind you" 's everyone else.

>>54263296
>based Laurie Goulding

Man that guy really went on a autistic rampage with the lore. My favorite quote is him saying "Everything GW writes isn't canon"

>>54263320
Dark Eldar fluff was what finally made me realize that 40k is over the top and edgy on purpose, and got me into the game.

because holy shit, dark eldar fluff is fucking great, and unlike fucking EVERY OTHER silly edgy faction in the game, their shit actually LOOKS like the fluff depicts them.

>>54263278
Divide and conquer exists but make no mistake, just being economically rightwing does not make you allies with us. D&C is more like pitting Christians and Pagans against each other when both are clearly trying to achieve the same goal.
>>54263281
Degeneracy is real and is clearly definable.

>>54263296
>laurie golding
isn't he the guy that insisted that he totally knows exactly where the blood ravens come from and it's totally not the thousand sons despite every single bit of fluff implying as such?

>>54263341
>Degeneracy is real and is clearly definable.
Pretty good 40K quote. Good thing actual fanatics like that don't exist.

>>54263341
Define degeneracy in unambiguous terms.

Asked question in dead thread but:
How is "half the army" measured for Deepstrike? Model count or points?

>>54263381
Unit count I believe

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>>54263184
Please respond.

I rue the day /pol/ infested this board. I come here to talk about plastic army men not your shitstain politics left or right.

>>54263387
Honestly that kit sucks donkey dick, I'd just go for something 3rd party or get cultists.

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>>54263354
No.


>>54263325
That isn't his quote.

>>54263381
I want to say it's unit number rounded up

>>54263231
Thanks! I really appreciate it!

>>54263320
Hah yeah I guess it is pretty edgy. I always took from that story that the Haemonculus thought it was a totally fair and regular exchange and only called in reinforcements when the Tau backed out.

>>54263386
>>54263401
So I can drop 3 full powered units and field 3 minimum requirement units? Or is it model for model

>>54263361
Fanatacism has been the fuel for every single relevant political ideology ever. From the american revolution to communism to fascism. Every single one was pushed by fanatics.
>>54263362
Degeneracy is any behavior or action or even cultural idea that aims to, simply put, behave in the name of meaningless excess, or behave in the name of emotions over reality. For example, getting a tattoo would be degenerate, but having a tumor in my stomach removed wouldn't. Why? The former is purely aesthetic, it serves no purpose. The latter is a life saving medical procedure.

In a sense this is what so many people get wrong about degeneracy, they think it ranges from dog breeds to icecream flavors. The core defining trait of all degenerate behaviors is that it one way or another eventually leads to some sort of societal degradation. What is societal degradation you ask? Look at the declining birthrates amongst natives in Europe. Look at how Japan is slowly ageing with little to no replacement rate. Why is that? It's a large number of factors, from the migrant crisis to lack of cultural identity to sexual promiscuity to general dislike of a): settling down and having a family and b): attaining a stable career and laying down the foundation for a family.

The truth is, every society that has encountered degeneracy has fallen. A good example is the one glorious Roman empire. Or like the Japanese I mentioned, as their culture got more and more hypersexualized, their innovation and replacement rates dropped like a rock. This in essence is degeneracy. Much like a black hole, it cannot be detected easily without looking at the effects it causes.

>>54263411
your hypothetical works, exact number of models doesnt matter.

>>54263411
Yes that's correct

>>54263341
Are you even aware of how that comes across? Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter what side of the political spectrum you pledge allegiance to.

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>>54263399
From an interview a few years ago:

Freelancer: "The reason I'm going you throw that into the mix is because of blood ravens in 40k. I don't think we know much about the heresy battle bar the blood ravens parent chapter were involoved. If that's the thousand sons it would be safe to assume the battle would of been post Prospero. "

Laurie Goulding: It's not the Thousand Sons...

Freelancer: "So does that mean Laurie you're privy to the origins of the blood ravens?"

Laurie Goulding: "I know exactly what the deal is with the Blood Ravens... I also know exactly what the deal is with Revuel Arvida. The two are in NO WAY connected, and people need to stop reading so much into video games from ten years ago."

>>54263423
>>54263421
Thanks a lot brothers

>>54263424
Except that brainwashing is more akin to constant bombarding of false information through some sort of major media source that said person is exposed to. Arguing with facts is not brainwashing in the slightest.

>>54263416
Oh, you're serious. In that case, shut the fuck up. I'd rather get back to talking about manlet marines than ever see a newfag like you post ever again.

Not that I actually think old marines are getting phased out. But I think it's a more interesting subject than exploring how autistic some anon is.

>>54263425
He is right. Arvida is not Vidya. Arvida was reborn as a shard of Magnus which represented all his nobility and loyalty fused with him. He was reborn as Ianus later Janus aka as the firsrt Grandmaster of the Grey Knights.

>>54263443
What's it like, living in such a shutin closed off world that your first assumption when encountering an alien idea is that it's some sort of ironic humor?

>991.M41 THE PLUNDERED FLESH OF PECH

>After capturing not only countless Tau upon Vigos but also the mercenaries with which they bolster their cadres, the Prophets of Flesh find out that the Kroot are able to learn and even evolve purely by selectively devouring the fallen. To appropriate such an ability would be seen as a coup even amongst the Haemonculi.

>Before long, the Prophets of Flesh have opened up a webway gate upon the Kroot home world: the humid jungle planet of Pech. Hovering through the mists upon Raiders lined with barbed rails, the Haemonculi begin a lengthy scouring of the planet’s tribal centres. The Kroot respond in force, loosing packs of Kroot Hounds that leap from bough and bole to bear Covenites into the leafy mulch below. Krootox-borne gunners blast apart Venoms and Ravagers in the gloom, though in truth the skimmers in the jungle canopy are little more than distractions. The true prize is seized by the Pain Engines of the Haemonculi, each Corpsethief Claw rendering down as many Kroot Shapers as they can catch.

>The Tau, fiercely defensive of their empire’s mercenary allies, counter-invade in force by mobilising twelve Hunter Cadres to scour the jungle clean. The unfolding battle ends abruptly when the Prophets of Flesh withdraw, their Raiders straining to the point of collapse under the weight of the Kroot corpses they have stolen. Though the Tau propaganda machine celebrates a great victory, the Dark Eldar have what they came for. They leave a message behind, spelt out in the bloody corpses of their victims. It is loosely translated by the Water caste as the phrase ‘Welcome to the Feast’.

What do they mean by this?

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>>54263094
>love the kroot
my nigga

I started them in 3rd; I like their mobile, combined arms approach. The shoot'n'scoot hunter/hunted aspect was appealing too.

>What keeps me playing
For a while I didn't. Riptides everywhere left a sour taste in my mouth. Why go for combined arms when you can just brute force it? The kroot carnivore nerf from what they were really sucked. But honestly their naivete, even with the Orwellian shit they do in the background, is what I really like. Tau honestly believe that it's their destiny to unite the stars and save the galaxy. They haven't had a good look at it. They were born too late to really try and really have no idea of the magnitude of what they're really doing. Bless 'em though, they're trying.

>Favorite Lore
That kroot story in the 3rd ed codex where they ambush some rangers sold me on Kroot forever. The story where they cycle through old and obsolete weaponry trying to keep tyranids on their toes was better than the one where shadowsun killed a while hive fleet. The implications behind Aun'Shi getting popular with the fire caste and then disappearing for two editions only to return after Aun'Va is introduced could make a good story.

>Compliment the setting
Pic related. I understand our position as an expansion pack race but I really feel like they're a good foil for the setting. Every other race has been around the galaxy, they know how it is. It sucks, it's terrible, it's dangerous. Every alien race is trying to kill you, demons from the warp want to kill you. Many races utilize technology they can no longer comprehend or replicate. Tau don't have a tech problem, they understand that very well. They don't know the galaxy, and I really think it's going to change their mindset. That optimism will dull when they see the work of saving a galaxy that doesn't want salvation.

>>54263416
So your definition of degeneracy is inherent to pretty much any culture that isn't basic subsistence farming tops? If that's how you define it, seems like correlating that to "the majority of societies in human history have fallen" doesn't necessarily mean that doing things for pleasure's sake caused it. Also, "Societal degradation" is equally hard to define given that cultures change over time anyway, dammit. Unless you decide that the 1950s were perfect and deplore anything that varies from those, anyway.

>>54263416
>>54263441
So you're a self-proclaimed ideological fanatic. What makes you any better than the antifa, and why are you posting about your beliefs on /tg/? I think most of us would rather shitpost about small plastic mans than politics. That's why /pol/ exists, right? Why don't you keep your political beliefs there? And desu like it or not you really come across as a brainwashed pawn.

>>54263416
>behave in the name of meaningless excess
I guess it's time for you to stop playing games.

>>54263416
You sound real fun at parties

>>54263485
Kek.
>>54263416
>>54263441
You better answer this >>54263485 or I'll be disappointed.

>>54263468
That's not true. A good on topic example would be 40k not being degenerate. It does not promote any sort of political ideology that inevitably leads to degeneracy and does not engage in any sort of culture destroying behavior.
And the 1950's were fairly degenerate. Nowhere near as bad as the following decade but degenerate nonetheless.
>>54263471
>what makes you any better than antifa
1. I don't attempt to crush opposition without debate. I always debate. Facts come before fists.
2. Antifa have consistently ignored reality, consistently ignored the clear hypocrisy between their "antifascist" stance and their tactics. On top of that they also fail to recognize that their idea that anyone to the right of trotsky is a fascist is highly flawed.
And someone asked, I answered. Would you have preferred I made a thread on /pol/ just for this meaningless argument and linked it here?
>>54263485
See above. Again, playing 40k and engaging in a hobby is by no means degenerate. Excessive 40k playing would be degenerate just like how video game addicts would be degenerate.

>>54263514
Is arguing politics in excess degenerate?

>>54263514
What gives you the right to be the judge of what's degenerate and what's not?

>>54263514
>things I don't like:
degenerate

>things I do like:
completely fine

>>54263518
>>54263529
>>54263541
You're arguing with a self proclaimed political fanatic. The only way to win is to walk away.

>>54263518
Not really, no, unless you argue about politics so much that it eats up every second of your day.
>>54263529
As I said earlier, degeneracy has and always will directly or indirectly lead to societal and moral degradation. 40k doesn't do that which is why it's not degenerate. Consensual marital sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of recreation certainly isn't either, to give a rather exaggerated and humorous example.
>>54263541
I don't like alcohol but I certainly do recognize its place in human civilization and culture. What is degenerate is excessive drinking and drunkenness. Moderation in it is of course the exact opposite.

So no, it's not a case of "stop liking what I don't like", it's a case of "stop engaging in behaviors that will kill us all in the long run".

>>54263548
You haven't given any arguments yet. I'm still waiting.

A Warboss in Mega Armour can have a Power Klaw AND a Big Choppa, yes?
And there's NO BENEFIT from having two Power Klaws or two Big Choppas, right?

>>54263551
>Consensual marital sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of recreation certainly isn't either
WAIT SO YOU UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE ENJOYING CASUAL SEX IS BAD? Please tell me this is bait.

>>54263094
I've honestly always loved the T3 in 4+ with badass as fuck guns as the basic troop, combined with the whole Bonding Knife things the fire caste in general is aesthetic as fuck. Also Hammerheads

>>54263514
So do tattoos "promote any sort of political ideology that inevitably leads to degeneracy" or are you abandoning your old entirely arbitrary definition for an entirely new arbitrary definition? Also, how the fuck do you define "culture destroying behaviour" either, aside from "It looks naughty to me REEEE!"? Last I checked, the majority of human culture is a long amalgamation of a whole bunch of nations and tribes mixing with each other, violently or otherwise. Quite hard to even define one "culture" straight up, on this scale. "Behaviours that will kill us all in the long run" are also quite hard to spot, given it hasn't really happened yet and even when one culture is dramatically overthrown another one shows up and life goes on. Humans are inherently pretty damn adaptable even when we can't just group up with others from similar ideologies and completely ignore everyone else, which I admit is probably the preferred method.

Anyway, tiny plastic mans.

stupid question, can the blood angels take a venerable dreadnought?

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>>54263551
>Consensual marital sex in the missionary position
>missionary position
my fucking sides
i never knew the alt-right was so puritan
>for the sole purpose of recreation
I'm guessing you mean procreation.

ITT newfags argue with /pol/

>>54263582
No, because the older they get the more they descend into black rage degeneracy.

>>54263589
Summer is truly entertaining

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>>54263560
That was a joke. If you want to hear my actual stance on sex I can elaborate.

Is sex between a married couple for fun or for recreation degenerate? Not in my opinion, no. There are some who think so but I disagree. While I do think that premarital sex between a couple in a proper relationship is fine too I think that relationships formed around solely sex are the epitome of degeneracy.

What is degenerate however is promiscuous sex between strangers. Whores going out and fucking 10 guys while at college and becoming single mothers. Or men going around fucking sluts and never settling down as proper family heads.

>>54263578
It's not uncommon for tattoos to push political ideology. That aside, tattoos are completely useless save serving aesthetic use and affect the holy temple that is the human body. In essence, anything that permanently modifies the human body for recreational use is degenerate because it defiles the body.

>Also, how the fuck do you define "culture destroying behaviour" either,
A very obvious example would be leftists preaching that "white culture is racist sexist misogynist" etc. That has the clear intent to destroy a specific culture in the name of political ideology. Obviously that's the most clear cut one, as in "screaming in your face" clear cut but there are other examples too.

>Last I checked, the majority of human culture is a long amalgamation of a whole bunch of nations and tribes mixing with each other
Except that mixing was usually restricted to political relations and trade. Only in the last, say, 50 years have we really had the kind of immigration and culture destruction that we see today.

>"Behaviours that will kill us all in the long run" are also quite hard to spot
With the advent of science they aren't now. We know that women who have more premarital sexual partners are more likely to become single mothers and/or have early marriage divorces. pt2

>>54263586
What, is /tg/ super serious in political debate now?

>>54263601
Deliver one (1) Imperial Fisting so you can have Crimson Fists and field Kantor to buff all those tacticools.

>>54263617
I really wish this didnt make me laugh as hard as it did.

I'm somewhat against running my IF as anything other than IF, do you have any other suggestions?

>>54263586
Consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation is an ancient chan meme.
You need to go back to wherever it was that you came from. As does the other anon. This has nothing to do with muh 40k.

>>54263578
>>54263611
We know that race is real, and not just "skin deep" as many cultural marxists and egalitarians claim. We know that the fact is, difference races of people are biologically predisposed to mixing with their own ingroup, or their own race, and not with other races.

>and even when one culture is dramatically overthrown another one shows up and life goes on
And how much information have we lost during cultural overthrows like that? More importantly, how much will we lose of something like that were to happen today? You can say that easily but the consequences of such an upheaval happening today would be catastrophic.

>Humans are inherently pretty damn adaptable even when we can't just group up with others from similar ideologies and completely ignore everyone else
The problem isn't that humanity is adaptable, it's that should any sort of downfall occur the human race would either wipe itself out in the following war or be degenerated back to the stone ages. That in essence is what degeneracy does. That's why even fascist italy could not match the Roman empire in glory.

>>54263611
Women having ten different sexual partners in the 3-4 years they are at college is pretty tame, anon.
>holy temple that is the human body
What makes you say this? How do tattoos affect the body in a negative way and why do you say the human body is a holy temple?

>>54263601
>termie Cap
>not just running Lysander
Why tho?
He's just better.
Cataract Cap seems like a waste. Get a Libby.
Drop a sternie squad. See if you can squeeze in some Assault Cents, fuckers are savage.

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>>54262964

Well, contrary to vanilla marines, that GW literally pulled out of their asses lore-wise, primaris chaos marines are easy to justify with existing lore.

Pic related.

>>54263666
Bile is the man. If only he were <Emperor's Children> in game.

>>54263626
In that case it looks good and fluffy. I would consider a librarian for at least token resistance to psychic bullshit, having terminators die to removal is kind of frustrating.

>>54263159
O'ba'ma, plz

Lets bring this thread back on track
Roll a d10, what you get is the faction you have to read about or look at models of.
Maybe you'll find something cool or pass some time.

10 Grey Knights
1 Orks
2 Dark Eldar
3 Assassins
4 Space Wolves
5 Chaos Daemons
6 Minor traitor legions (Non god aligned and not black legion)
7 Thousand Sons
8 Ultramarines
9 T'au

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>>54263161

>that head proportions

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>>54263644
>Women having ten different sexual partners in the 3-4 years they are at college is pretty tame, anon.
It's tame by today's standards. But 20 years ago it would have been abhorred. And as I said earleir, women with more premarital sexual partners are more likely to be divorced early on in marriage than women with less or even no premarital sexual partners
>How do tattoos affect the body in a negative way
For one, look at any 60-something year old person with their saggy skin covered in tattoos. Two, it kind of is common sense that people that cover their body in tattoos are nearly always drunkards, drug addicts, criminals or some other sort of degenerate.
>why do you say the human body is a holy temple?
The human body is as of now the pinnacle of biological evolution. No human object made so far has matched its pure capability and no other living species that we know of is capable of beating it. In this way it is only right that we treasure this gift from whatever higher power or genes of luck that gave us this capability. Modifying it in the name of thinking that you can do better than what nature intended is degenerate.

Rolled 7 (1d10)

>>54263684

>>54263673
>>54263650
So, swap in Lysander and a Librarian with a stave and Combi-Melta.

That work?

>>54263666
>Slaanesh trips

Confirmed for undeniable truth.

Man, wouldn't it have been way more interesting if Fabius was somehow involved in the creation of Primaris marines, and Guilliman traded his services for some copies of the Emperor's research notes or something.

>>54263689
>Modifying it in the name of thinking that you can do better than what nature intended is degenerate.
Nature does not "intend" anything, not anymore than a storm or a vocano does. Degenerate really does just mean whatever you want it to mean.

>>54262663
I want to use this to make a red scorpion deathwatch apothecary SO BAD. WHY, GW? WHY?

>>54263706
>Nature does not "intend" anything
Not in a literal sense, no, but in a metaphorical sense, yes.
>Degenerate really does just mean whatever you want it to mean.
I have clearly defined it and elaborated on it multiple times. If you refuse to listen then I believe I have nothing else to argue.

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im sick of all this suit war bs. here are the ONLY acceptable suits. imperial guard suits when?

>>54262552
GW confirmed it on Facebook.

>>54263722
>but in a metaphorical sense
A metaphor is a fucking awful basis for an argument.

>>54263696
Sure, if you don't like Lysander's model/fluff you can always counts-as.
Don't think you really can go wrong with any of the Libby options.

I'd consider paring down one of the Tac Squads and really trying to fit in some Assault Cents, against hordes, they're godly.
And fluffy too.

>>54263729
So, link it/cap it?

>>54263705
>Man, wouldn't it have been way more interesting if Fabius was somehow involved in the creation of Primaris marines
No. That'd be even worse.

>>54263689
>The human body is as of now the pinnacle of biological evolution.

HAH. My sides !
There are quite the number of aspects to the human body that are far from ideal. For starters, babies have such large heads to hold our oversized brains that giving birth is seriously compromised. Or do you think that animals in the wild regularly go to the hospital because another baby got stuck ? Pinnacle of evolution ... that's rich.

Oh man, never knew that rightwing fanatics could be just as hilarious in their delusions as the leftwing fanatics.

>>54263736
Then let me boil it down for you.
The human body has naturally evolved to the highest state of biological evolution, and in turn we are hard wired to be attracted to others that have evolved the same way. Therefore it is folly to think that you can outclass thousands of years of evolution by injecting ink into your skin.

>>54263736
You're literally arguing with a larper. YOU are the retard here. I mean come on dude, he's talking in terms of HMFY and moral absolutism. How obvious does he have to get?

>>54263736
>>54263755
I've got an idea. How about we stop replying and just let this particular discussion end. /pol/ is literally a click away for those who want to read this sort of thing.

>>54263755
>There are quite the number of aspects to the human body that are far from ideal.
The point is not that it's perfect, it absolutely isn't. The point is that it's as close to perfect as any natural biological creature has attained. It you cannot recognize this then explain why human beings are the only ones that have ever built anything close to a civilization. Explain why human beings are the only species to harness technology and electricity.

>>54263762
Ah yes, the "everything and one that i don't like is bait" poster is back.

>>54263748
Oh sure, Belisarius 'deus ex machina' Cawl is way more interesting.

>>54262541
yes... only the left screech like autist...

>>54263705

Nothing says he has not been, they guy passed himself as a tip-rank AdMech before.

>Numarines are rolled out by Rowboat Guillableman
>All tainted by chaos
>They are spread in most existing chapters and several new ones

>9th editions roll out
>Primaries show their true colors, chapters are decimated
>Starter set: ultramarines VS primaries ultramarines

>All marinefags have their army split in half and need to buy new stuff to bolster either the loyalist side or the chaos one.

>>54263740
I will consider the Cents; however my Fists are my 30k army! Adding in Primaris is just because I got a deal on the two squads for $20!

>>54263771
So any form of self improvement is going against "nature's grand evolutionary design" in your book? Why even live?

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>>54263705
I would rather believe new organs are based on Eldar DNA than this.

>>54262584
I don't know why people think they're communist.

>>54263786
No, self improvement is perfectly fine. Any form of permanent physical change to the human body that does not have the justification of some sort of reasonable purpose is inherently degenerate. This is why I gave the example of a tumor removal surgery earlier. That is for the purpose of prolonging one's lifespan and continuing the existence of life, therefore it is reasonable. Tattoos and other body modifications are not.

>>54263666
>>54263777

Trips have spoken

>>54263806
Prolonging one's lifespan after one has passed ones productive years is degenerate.

>>54263806
Art and aesthetics have no value.

>>54263809
How so?
>>54263814
Art and aesthetics have value in the form of culture. Art and aesthetics that modify the human body for the sole purpose of said "art" is of negative value.

>>54263806
Okay. To be perfectly honest anon, I agree with you on a lot of things but I also don't think /40kg/ is the place to discuss this sort of thing. People who ask about it here usually are just trying to bait replies like yours.

>>54263824
>Art and aesthetics that modify the human body for the sole purpose of said "art" is of negative value.
why

>>54263824
>Art and aesthetics that modify the human body for the sole purpose of said "art" is of negative value.
Why is art worth something when it's on canvas but worth nothing when it's on skin?

>>54263802
because they hear greater good and think of do it for the motherland and things of that nature, also the fact that tau are forced to work whatever job they are given based on their birth which is sort of like how the russian govt assigned people jobs. it's not a perfect comparison but its not baseless.

>>54262407
Would Know No Fear or First Strike be a better set for my friends who never played 40k but are interested?

I don't have enough army variety with my own models to do it with leftovers.

>>54263771
There is nothing about human behavior that makes us any better or worse than any animal species you can think of. We have the highest intellect yes (only averagely, not individually) but that's it. And our intellect has equally done us harm as good. There is no arbitrary way to measure the success of a species, there is no end goal besides the ones we make up for ourselves so we can pretend that life is not just the result of random chance.

>>54263834
>>54263836
As I said earlier, it is not the art itself that makes it bad, it's that you choose the human body to be your canvas rather than an inanimate object. Defiling the human body is what makes it degenerate rather than the art itself being degenerate (although with tattoos it very often has a degenerate meaning).

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>>54262964
>>54263149

Vanilla Marines aren't going anywhere.

The incredibly expensive molds have already been paid for at this point with marine sales so the margins are significantly higher on marinelets than on chads. Squatting marines would mean they would have to also squat

> Rhinos
> Razorbacks
> Land Raiders
> Drop Pods
> Landspeeder Storms
> Bikes
> Attack Bikes
> Any other models I am forgetting that act as transports (none of these can move Primaris Marines, remember?)

It would be commercial suicide to get rid of all of those models, especially now that they can all be built at a profit, when marines are the literal poster child of the franchise, and when 8th edition is getting tons of people into the hobby.

>>54263845
Why is it defiling a human body but not defiling a canvas?

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Repainting my very basic imperial knights for a game this month. What GW basing goes well with an Ultramarine blue color scheme?

>>54263847
>It would be commercial suicide to get rid of all of those models

Funny, that's almost the exact same line investors used to describe what GW did to warhammer fantasy

>>54263465
Great reasoning anon, really selling me on the tau. Fingers crossed for more of that "struggling in the dark" feel from the army in the future. Who knows where they'll go with them in 8th.

Very tempted to start a Kroot counts as army now. Every time I see a gnarloc with a broadside cannon strapped to its back I get the urge...

>>54263828
I'm more than happy to debate so that everyone may hear even if this is just bait.
>>54263844
>There is nothing about human behavior that makes us any better or worse than any animal species you can think of
Humanity is the only race on earth that has exited the planet. Unless you think that human achievement is of no worth, then you really are a walking manifestation of degeneracy.

And it is exactly finding a purpose and working towards it that is the purpose of life. By effectively behaving like a nihilist you are destroying your own will to existence. Why not just commit suicide then, so that you do not consume the nutrients and water that someone more motivated than you could be consuming?
>>54263854
A canvas has no intristic worth save what is drawn on it. The human body does.

>>54263865
>A canvas has no intristic worth save what is drawn on it. The human body does.
And how does altering the appearance to a more aesthetic form denegrate that value?

>>54263859

Warhammer Fantasy needed to go. It was like 20% of GW's income and the game had become ridiculous.

Nuking the setting and replacing all of the lore probably wasn't the smartest idea, but anyone who unironically thinks that AOS (even with its faults) isn't a much better game than Fantasy needs to get their head checked.

>>54262824
10000 years plus the best staff and equipment mankind has to offer to enhance these supermen a decent bit to a couple hundred years in a basement to iterate a totally new system several times and create an incredibly effective supersolider.

Cawl shouldn't 've able to make better marines is not something I agree with. We know for a fact bioengineers other than the big e were instrumental in the invention of certain gene seed organs given their names, so 10000 years to make 3 more with the best recources possible and smooth out a handful of mutations isn't too crazy at all

Are custodian squads any good since they lost deep strike

>>54263871
>And how does altering the appearance to a more aesthetic form denegrate that value?
Because modifying the human body is degenerate. Full stop. I've already explained why modifying it is degenerate but clearly you're just dragging me in a loop.

>>54263806
Human body does have considerable downsides compared to quite a lot of creatures, though. We're pretty squishy, lack particularly strong natural weapons and are slow as balls, although we fixed those problems with intelligence. There is no grand evolutionary criteria for success other than species continuation via offspring, and in that we are being pretty soundly beaten by bugs and lichen. "Defiling" a body means precisely jack shit unless it damages it's reproductive capability, by your standards of holding it as "close to perfect". I prefer to pick a more entertaining path, I admit.

Nothing has any "intrinsic worth", we pick whst does entirely subjectively to ourselves, because we're sentient and have the capability to give a damn. If someone decides that they like it better if they have a design of some form on their skin, whatever.

Personally I'd be thrilled if we could modify away some of our large reserve of now unwanted traits and features, Commonwealth Saga style. And yeah, that would also let us mess with our bodies for aesthetic purposes. Transumanism. Attractive, but largely consists of "so we science, and then we become immortal". I'll take that bet though, because genetics student. Find yourself a purpose that doesn't consist of ranting about better men than you doing stuff and other people moving about, why don't you, and I'm going back to wondering about Electro-priests.

>>54263891
Is makeup, haircuts and shaving degenerate?

>>54263046
i have the epub if you're still here

>>54263894
Yes, of course

>>54263893
>Nothing has any "intrinsic worth"

At it's root I think this is the source of contention.

I'm kitbashing a big pack of Combat Servitor Electro-priest counts-as from Chaos Marauders. What do I arm them with? I was thinking that halfish will get some kind of Kataphron claw and a few get dual Chordclaws, because I like the idea. Perhaps a couple Power Axes, but that still leaves about six guys.

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>>54263891
Actually I just got here, kind of jumping in at the end. Been reading over your argument above, and most of it seems sound, but one part doesn't track.

You ascribe positive value to art and aesthetics.

You ascribe positive value to the human body, *but* you admit it's far from perfect, and can be improved by human action.

So why then does adding art to a human body denegrate it? You've said yourself that the body is far from perfect, and that correctional procedures are fine, so why is tattooing, when performed to improve the lack of aesthetic value in human bodies, a bad thing?

>>54263893
fulgurites seem pretty dope based on their rules, havent tested them yet, corpuscarii dont seem worth it since the army has better shooting options in droves.