Why is it a knightly tradition to cuck other knights and nobles?

>>54258479
Because that's what Lancelot did, and he's the OG knight.

>>54258479
Because there's only so much you can do with your errant boys and man needs other outlets.

>>54258494
Yeah, but that was seen as one of his greatest sins/failures, not something to look up to

>>54258479
BLACK(knight)ED

>>54258479
Because there really weren't any un-married/un-betrothed aristocratic women just hanging around riding the knightly cock carousel back in the Middle Ages.

If you're going to have an affair with a noblewoman, you're going to be cucking somebody. And what's the point of having an affair if not with a noblewoman? You wouldn't sully yourself with a peasant wench, would you? It's okay to rape them when on campaign, but you'll lose serious cred with the other knights if they think you have feelings for some lowly commoner.

>>54258531
I think Malory would disagree.

>>54258479

Sleeping with another man isn't as much fun if there's no risk of getting caught, and we don't tend to marry guys for their proficiency in bed; having a big wallet (or a big castle) is a much nicer catch. So naturally we have to turn elsewhere for a good dicking.

Sorry, but unless you feel like going gay, you'll just have to live with that truth. Why should we be exclusive to one man when we can sleep around and get taken care of, and desired, and attention from lots of men?

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>>54259187

There are gay people on /tg/?

>>54259187
well said, sister

>>54259230

And girls even. Who not only won't show you tits, and won't leave, but are just fine with not worrying about faithfulness to someone we just keep around as a wallet with legs.

>>54259187
>we
But you are a Gaylord, Gaylord can't marry under the based church back in the golden age of civilization, the middle ages.

>>54259285
>implying your nobleman husband won't eventually get tired of your rampant cuckoldry and have you poisoned

>>54258901
>did not read Malory
There are HUGE chunks of the Morte d'Arthur dedicated entirely to how Lancelot's cucking his own king made him too unclean for the Grail, caused no end of purely earthly problems, led to the ruin of Camelot etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam.

NON BAIT ANSWER

Because of the dual expectations of idealized romantic love and of familial duty

Under familial duty, the woman marries whomever her father chooses, for the benefit of her family. the chivalric tradition also idealized Romantic 'courtly' love however, which was 'pure' love based on affection and admiration.

This competing dualism was understood for the self defeating dichotomy it was. This is why Chivalric Romances tended to be tragedies: either the lovers succumbed to their desire for each other and therefore disgraced themselves and their families and inevitably befell misfortune, OR, they remained pure and so never actually acted out on their feelings for one another. This platonic longing was seen as the ideal, the virtue of love unfettered by the vice of sex or the sin of adultery.

So the simple answer was: YOU DIDN'T KEK ANYONE. A TRUE NIGHT DID NOT NEED TO CONSUMMATE HIS LOVE FOR HIS LADY. That is why Don Quixote sang 'To Love, Pure and Chaste from Afar' in The Impossible Dream. Anyone who thinks it was all about sex is a basic bitch

>>54259310
>poisoned
Burned at the stake, actually. Poisoning is an outlaw and shameful act and why bother since you're well within your rights to torch the bitch?

This isn't one of those fancy-lad centuries where it's illegal to set fire to your own wife.

>>54259392
>tfw you thought it was about based sex
Fuck me I feel dumb now

>>54258479
Forbidden love is hot. Forbidden lust is also hot. It's not really forbidden if you're married, it's sort of forbidden but just feels kind of lazy if you're not married but there's nothing in your way, and it feels like kind of a dick move if you're cucking someone as/with somebody of higher station.

Hence, fucking your liege's wife/husband's vassal, hoping he doesn't find out, and generally bringing ruin and tragedy to everyone involved.

>>54259400
Beheading would be even more likely. Burning was for religious offenses, and a lord accusing his wife of heresy would reflect poorly on his own piety.

>>54259310
Poison is a woman's weapon.

>>54258494
You literally picked the worst example here, son. Like Anon said there's any amoutn of handwringing about Lancelot's cucking activities, but Malory is full of other guys who are depicted as practically heroic for doing the same thing. Tristan fucks La Beale Isode about five hundred times "on screen" as it were, Lamorak has his way with Morgause of Orkney until her SONS (that's Gawain, Mordred and the others, but not Gareth who's a solid) get sick of it and murder him, and that's portrayed as a cowardly act that shames THEM. Various other knights carry on in much the same way, I seem to recall Marhaus jousting a knight who's kidnapped a lady, defeating her, and then kidnapping and fucking her himself, just for example. And let's not forget Uther stealth-cucking the Duke of Cornwall postmortem by disguising himself as him to beget Arthur.

It's not chaste and this guy >>54259392 is full of it, that's the product of later writers (most of them Victorian and uncomfortable with that shit).

>>54259392
It's almost like medieval people had a more nuanced and developed worldview than Enlightenment authors gave them credit for. Who could have ever known? That notion of putting aside temptation in favor of duty, accepting your feelings without letting them control you, is genuinely noble, in my opinion.

>>54259462
Maybe in real life, but in the Arthurian romances burning at the stake is the go-to for threatening Guinevere with.

>>54259462
I was under the impression that men were hung at gallows and women were drowned in pits?

>>54259547
That's because Guinevere wasn't being tried for adultery, she was being tried for witchcraft

Arthur wouldn't 'press charges' as it were for adultery, so THE FUCKING SCOTTS had her accused of witchcraft, with her seduction of Lanselot and Bewitchment of Arthur as evidence

>>54258479
Because most of what we consider to my knightly tradition comes from heavily fictionalized accounts of history like Arthurian legend and Renaissance-era fantasy novels like "Orlando Furioso."

An adulterous love affair is a great plot divice for to introducing conflict among the court nobility without any of the characters actually doing something truly reprehensible like committing treason or practicing black magic or whatever.

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>>54259563
The headsman definitely got a few qt3.14s along the way.

>>54259612
This. It was purely a dramatic tool. Chivalric tales were borderline porn

>>54259423
It *was* about based sex. See >>54259512

>>54259512
>>54259746
And none of them find the Graal.

>>54259612
>Orlando Furioso
This gets way too little mention around here, seeing as it's the origin of almost all of the tropes of classic medieval fantasy.

>>54259781
Well, Lancelot stumbles on it like a dumbass but refrains from entering into the room where it is. And before that he actually stumbles on it but gets robbed due to karma. And...

Okay Lancelot finds the Grail like four separate times. It just doesn't count.

But either way, the crucial thing is the Grail is only for the very most superb knights in all of Christendom and one of the guys who achieves it is literally designed to be divinely amazing and peerless and a walking allegory. And none of the three of them has a "platonic, pure and chaste" lady either. All of the actual courtly love that happens in Malory is fucking. It's courtly plowing.

>>54259795

Sounds like somebody's pimp handle

>>54258479
This is one of the only times I've ever heard the word "cuck" be used correctly.

>>54259299
Golden age of civilization. Maybe for the Arabs, you had such short lifespans that flys laughed

>>54258479
you aren't supposed to actually fuck them.
Courtly Love is about being a beta orbiter.

>>54259940
>implying it wasn't the golden age of Aztecs and American Indians too
It was right before the eurocucks raped them into Oblivion.

>>54259951
You must be at least this euphoric to actually believe that.

>>54259940
>>54259962
Arabs and the native Americans suffered because of the Europeans, if they had developed naturally they would have been fine

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>>54260039
>being this blue-pilled

oy vey

>>54260039
>Arabs and the native Americans suffered because of the Europeans
This. Glad the arabs are taking revenge on Europe right now. It was about damn time to make them pay for ruining the golden age of arabs.

>>54260174
Go to sleep, Germanistani.

>>54260174
>ruining the golden age of arabs.
If that's what this was about they'd be invading Russia because it was Mongolia that put the middle east to the torch

Except Russia just straight up fucking shoots anyone that they feel threatened by and I can see Putin having armed guards gundown arab refugee's. Also Russia doesn't have welfare. So to Euro we go!

>>54260161
They we doing fine before all the diseases and crusades but whatever, it's not like Jerusalem was their holy city to but whatever.

>>54260300
>They we doing fine
You do blacked speech really good. I unironically laughed out loud.

>>54260284
>implying Putin doesn't love his based muslim citizens
He is a muslim supported, if anything, he could be behind the European invasion.

>>54260342
Native America wasn't making any progress, but Arabia had medicine and baths and nutrition. The heck you smoking, the only technological progress that was going on in the medivial ages was in Asia and Arabia

>>54260359
Well to be fair Russian values seem to line up pretty well with Muslim Values
>Fuck the west
>put gays in camp
>fuck the west
>RUSSIA STRONGK

If Putin could get in on this being an Ayatollah thing, he'd probably convert in a snap.

>>54258494
Lancelot is literally a OC DONUT STEEL for Marie de France.
Chretien de Troyes couldn't even finish Knight of the Cart, he was so disgusted by it.
>he's way better at knighting than those dumb anglos, France a best
>everybody loves him
>including the king's wife, but I'm gonna character assassinate the king and make him a chuck so he won't do shit about it

>>54259362
Nah, that's Arthur's fault
Shouldn't fuck your sister m80

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>>54259299
>>54259230
>All these fags not realizing 4chan has femanons

>>54260417
desu if he had married and banged Morgause it would have 'sealed the breach' as it were.

Mordred had legitimacy claimancy being Morgause son and the child of Arthur, BETTER Claimancy than Arthur who was a bastard

>>54260435
>implying femanons exist
Trannies don't count

>>54260435
1. there are no girls on the internet
2. tits or gtfo
3. the posts were bait shit anyway who cares

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I've never read any of the Arthurian tales and only know them from pop culture.

Someone wanna give me the tl;dr?

>captcha is ASSISTANCE Bueno

>>54259230
You're a huge faggot so there's at least one.

>>54260435
>implying /tg/ of all places would have femanons
Your gay

>>54260455
>3. the posts were bait shit anyway who cares
>>54259187
Makes a good point that its actually a good strategy to marry some old dude who can't really get it up anymore who is rich and powerful, bang him maybe once a month while getting railed a regular basis by any number of hot younger guys who can pump as much man-gravy into you as possible while old rich hubby is away on lord business or fucking even younger prostitutes.

>>54260539
/tg/ actually has a disproportionate amount of femanons, the other pages with large amounts are /soc/ and /x/

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>>54260539
I miss old /tg/, when our femanons didn't hide their gender and even posted cute 40k cosplays.

>>54260470
OH BOY HIGHLIGHT REEL
>the very first mention of Arthur is in what amounts to a story about one guy telling another to go buy him some elbow grease, blinker fluid and chemlight batteries
>Merlin is half-demon, was fully conscious and literate in infancy, helped Arthur's conception by disguising Uther as the mother's husband and was entirely unimpressed with romance and women while in Arthur's employ until some evil bitch makes him her beta orbiter and tricks him into killing himself like a punk
>Gawain is a bro whose 2 big stories are 1) & the green knight, the best of all Arthurian stories and edited by Tolkien himself, and 2) Wedding of dame Ragnelle, which was cribbed for the wife of bath's tale in Canterbury Tales
>Lancelot du Lac is a Mary Sue and has literally no flaws besides being a traitor on all fronts
>parzival is a shut-in neet who bumbled his way into knighthood
The more you know dananana

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>>54259187
>Why should we be exclusive to one man when we can sleep around and get taken care of, and desired, and attention from lots of men?
Basically this

>>54259310
>cuck
>doing anything about it
>not raising someone else's kids like the beta he is

I don't think you know much about cucks

>>54260646
>Lancelot du Lac is a Mary Sue and has literally no flaws besides being a traitor on all fronts

I thought he was also ugly (but somehow his ugliness made women wanna bang him more because they figured his dick must be HUGE if he was getting so much action)

>>54260636
You see anon is the natural state
Manon is when you want to be a man
Femanon is when you want to be a woman

Most just default to anon, because sometimes femanons want to wear sweatpants, drink wine, and shitpost about things in a dark room
>Magnus the red is my husbando

>>54260636
I miss old /tg/, when people wouldn't baitpost cuckshit like this >>54260656
>>54260560
to try and get reeee out of autist

>>54260656
Because the man who's castle you live in might have your head cut off?

>>54260691
Lancelot did not, in fact, get any action. In his original story, he only had eyes for Guinevere, and passed on the perfect hot loving waifu for another go at that queen pussy.
When women threw themselves at Lancelot's feet, he stepped over them.

>>54260656
who are you

>>54260707
>cuckshit
beta females get what they deserve

>>54260749
>who are you
Just an another anon
And this is the last response you'll get from me

>>54260470
>Someone wanna give me the tl;dr?

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/831/831-h/831-h.htm

>no reading version
https://librivox.org/author/4739?primary_key=4739&search_category=author&search_page=1&search_form=get_results

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You can't cuck the King if she never actually slept with her Queen

>>54260998
What the fuck was his problem?

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>>54260993
You can cuck the king out of a banquet though

>>54260993
But Arturia DID consumate

Merlin gave her a dick and she fucked Gwynhavier

I'm serious. That is Nasu canon.

>>54261012
He was the more rightful claimant

>>54259230
/tg/ stand for /totally gay/

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>>54261051
>Merlin gave her a dick and she fucked Gwynhavier

The fuck... Did he also make her look like a man or was it straight Futa?

>>54260646
You forgot Sir Tristram unhorsing Sir Palomides about 700 times.

>>54261061
Straight Futa, all the way down.

This is also how Mordred was born. Morganna got her hands on the royal jizza, somehow

>>54261104

>Friend, we've been at this for hours, surely you must admit-
>AGAIN SIR TRISTAN, BEST 204 OF 407!

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>>54258531
We're talking about a period of time where knights regularly claimed to be Catholic (do not kill, especially other Christians) and then did exactly that, I don't think sinning was something they gave a shit about. Tell your confessor, if he has the balls to refuse to pardon you find one who will.

Plus Courtly Love was an anachronism anyway and found mostly in stories wrote a few centuries after when fiction about them became popular.

>>54258479
I know this is a joke, but we spent a fair amount of time on middle age stuff in my highschool, mostly cause it was a private one that stressed that sort of thing, and short answer is courtly love is all fucked up. Church basically made it so that it was bad to have legitimate passion in your marriage, and so you get the whole star crossed lovers who can never actually meet thing. Apparently infidelity was actually part of it.

Gawain did nothing wrong

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>liked colorful tabards and decorations
>perform drive-ride bys
>rolled deep with the squad
>fucked married bitches all day every day
>on an eternal quest for the perfect lean cup

Knights were basically Anglo-Saxon hood rats weren't they tho

>>54261198

>LOL, LET ME CUT OFF YOUR HEAD, MY DUDE

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>>54261207
Yeah, basically. There aren't that many differences between South Central LA and Feudal Europe if you get down to it.

>>54261147
>he thinks knights read the bable
lmaoing at your knowledge, m8.

They just went to church every sunday, and listened to whatever crap the priest told them. No one could confirm the priest even read the bible too.

>>54261207
those fucking kneepads kek

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>>54261283
You'd think at some point one of the dress wearing fucks would mention the ten commandments, wouldn't you?

Dumbass.

>>54261283
>No one could confirm the priest even read the bible too.

Well, not no one. The Pope has specific agents whose sole jobs were to travel around Europe and confirm that people claiming to be priests could actually read Latin.

I forget their name, but they were basically that one monty python sketch of the Latin graffiti

>>54261303
>its one of the ten commandments to not kill Christians
Prove it, nerd.

>>54261147
It's worth noting that the historical knights of the round table were barely Christian if they were Christian at all, and Britain in general wasn't even a little bit Christian. I mean, these guys were Roman remnant forces left behind by the collapsing empire in the 400s.

Arthurian legend is an early Renaissance retelling of events that took place in an earlier time among people with much different moral values. The core events were already set (who killed who, who fucked who, etc.), so it can be rather difficult to rationalize the actions of a bunch of stranded Roman cavalrymen warring across a heathen land in terms of the Christian values of the audience the stories were written for.

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>>54261198
he kissed another dudes wife tho

Hey remember that time a Grail Knight almost fucked THE DEVIL, because apparently the Devil really likes to fuck dudes while disguised as a pretty girl? And he only stopped at the last second cause he thought about jesus or something and the devil got PISSED cause he was cockblocked again so he flipped upsidedown and vanished in a puff of smoke?

>>54261332
>Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
>Matthew 19:18

>>54261351
Damn, guess I got told.

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>>54261332
>do not kill, especially other Christians
Do I actually have to explain to you how one of those is a quote and one is something Priests just tacked on a lot?

Like, really?

I'm having a hard time believing someone this retarded could have access to the internet.

>>54261347
>these guys were Roman remnant forces left behind by the collapsing empire in the 400s.
I was more talking about the 900-1200 range.

Even still:
>Arthurian legend is an early Renaissance retelling of events that took place in an earlier time among people with much different moral values.

Is a really good explanation and something I'd not really thought about

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>>54261351
>MURDER

It's not murder if it's during a war

Come along peasant, we're going to go sack Constantinople

>>54261332
>he thinks real christians ever took the commandments seriously

It's about as relevant and binding as the list of values on the poster in your company's break room.

>>54261416
Hey, those are enforced on the employees

just not the company

>>54261412
>Come along peasant, we're going to go sack Constantinople
Forgive me, m'lord, but is that not a Christian city?

I thought I was signing up to do battle with the Mohammedan foe?

>>54261416
>>54261398
>>54261351
I'm getting confused messages. One says no one took the commandment seriously, the other says the priests changed the translation to fit their agenda, and the other guy says they followed the bible by the letter

>>54261468

It's not REALLY a Christian city, friend, it's Greek! That makes it okay. Besides, how do you expect us to get to the Holy Land if we don't help the Venetians out with this one thing? If we don't storm Constantinople, the Venetians won't ferry us across the sea.

Where does the tradition of a knight dueling other knights who want to cross a bridge, and escorting maidens across that same bridge come from anyways? Just you, your pal, and your squires sitting around a bridge all day waiting for another knight to pass by so you can challenge him?

>>54261475
Welcome to the History Department! Hope you like conflicting primary sources, because we have a shit ton of those!

>>54261468
>Forgive me, m'lord, but is that not a Christian city?
That didn't stop them as time went on, and it barely stopped them even then.

>>54261475
Let me try and help.
>One says no one took the commandment seriously
That was me, and it was broad but true in a lot of cases, especially with Knight's.

>the other says the priests changed the translation to fit their agenda
I don't think anyone did. I said priests said "stop killing other Christians" but not tacked anything on. Though they probably did, but that's a whole new topic.

> and the other guy says they followed the bible by the letter
I don't think anyone said that either.

I think the point of contention here is whether Knights knew the Ten Commandments Which is a retarded question, of course the did. and whether or not they actually cared about it they probably did when it was to their benifit, and they rationalized when it wasn't
see >>54261412 for an example.

>>54261516
King Arthur's Knights, so far as I know.

>>54261516

It's really hard to cross a river in full armor, therefore Knights needed bridges, therefore the best place to wait for other Knights to challenge is a bridge

>>54261475
Religion prior to the Protestant heresy was pretty weird and inconsistent in most of Europe.

The early Medieval cities were in the grasp of the Catholic church, but the peasants in the countryside mostly held to a sort of syncretic Christian paganism. They believed in Jesus, but they also believed in a lot more than that and even the priests in rural areas would have never seen a Bible.

>>54261571
>>54261551
Yeah but don't knights have some shit to do besides waiting for some maiden or another knight to duel?

>>54261612

Not really no.

Unless they had risen to the level of a liegelord, they literally had all the free time in the world to hone their martial skill.

>>54261612
Nope. Knights spent relatively little time on campaign. Most wars were short and wars only happened now and then. Unless his lord went on crusade and called him to join, or one of the local wars has lead to a siege, a knight is going to have nothing to do 95% of the time.

One of the major motivating factors for the Pope to call a crusade was an excess of idle knights causing mischief in Europe.

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>>54259512
>Lamorak

It's a bit more complex than that. Lamorak's pops King Pellinore killed King Lot in a battle. Later, Lot's sons, Gawain and who cares kill Pellinore in a duel. Lamorak decides yo that ain't cool and bangs Lot's widow WHO IS NO LONGER MARRIED, and then Gawain, Mordred, and some other nerds kill Lamorak for basically being their stepdad. Oh, wait, but not before Gaheris beheads his own mom for banging a guy when she's single.

>>54260300
Native Americans were some of the most brutal and war-like people in the world at the time.

And if you're going to bitch about their land being "taken away" you're truly fucking retarded, considering that almost every tribe raped, murdered, and pillaged it from some other tribe.

>>54259187
This makes me very depressed. I suppose I just have to get /fit/ and become really fucking good in bed.

>>54261743
Make some money too, while you're at it.

>>54261690
this board needs more handsome knights.

>>54260998

>Have you ever looked at out lord, Sir Mordred?
>Of course I have, he's led us into battle many times.
>Have you notice his helmet?
>What of it?
>It has... bat wings on it.
>So?
>And his armor is all black.
>Where are you going with this
>...Are we the baddies?

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>>54260378
Uh, what about the renaissance???

>>54259285
Tits or GTFO.

>>54261516
Knights could have a bridge as their fief and charge money for tolls. It's quite likely that the stories about knights duelling knights on bridges could all have been avoided if knights bothered to pay the tolls.

>>54259285
Just so long as you don't ask to play CAH or Catan, that's fine.

>>54261787

A handsome knight is someone who's never faced anyone strong enough to punch him in the face, which is to say he's no knight at all

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>>54261516
*blocks your path*

To crosseth this bridge, thee
Must best me in a duel, yee-yee

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>>54258479
Because noble ladies back then were complete thots

>>54259285
Trannies are just men pretending to be women

>>54260039
>if they had developed naturally they would have killed themselves off entirely
native americans fucked themselves over pretty heavily, and the arab tribes have a long history of near meaningless violence

t. roach

>>54258589
Underrated

>>54261679
>causing miscief in europe.

I absolutely want to know the adventures of fully armored people dicking around Europe with money and diplomatic protection.

Are there any historical documents and the like about knights being niggers?

>>54261690

Well at least they didn't have to deal with awkward family dinners.

>>54259795
>seeing as it's the origin of almost all of the tropes of classic medieval fantasy.

I don't see too many knights getting on griffons in order to quest for their fellow knight's lost minds on the moon in classic medieval fantasy...

>>54260284
>and I can see Putin having armed guards gundown arab refugee'

Read some papers. They ship'em off to EU border and tell them to walk.

>>54259187
No, this makes you a heartless bitch who deserves nothing.

This is also probably a troll.

>>54263592
>This is also probably a troll.
Congratulations, you figured it out.

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>>54259187
You know I think I've had a sudden change of heart about that whole Sharia Law thing.

>>54259285
>but are just fine with not worrying about faithfulness to someone we just keep around as a wallet with legs.
What? I don't understend that sentence.

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>>54263563
At least we'll still be able to visit Poland if we want to see a country that has an actual culture instead of streets painted with the guts of children run over by trucks.

>>54259187
top tier b8. I r8 6/8.

>>54263789
Such as it is, you're more likely to die from poisoned tap water first.

>>54259310
>poisoned
Cut her head off for treason and mount it above the gate like a real man would.
No wonder your beta ass got cucked.

>>54258479
keeps people in line. unwashed women are cuter when you can't actually smell their vaginas. guy is genetic predisposed to do more stupid shit for the pretty girl and the asshole she's bearing children for.

feudalism yo

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>>54258479
>Why is it a knightly tradition to cuck other knights and nobles?
Because knights are all about doing the impossible.

>>54259310
Or just kill here in the spot, which was actually legal if she was a cheater bitch.

>>54263945
Of course, because I'd rather visit sub-saharan Africa than France or Germany. I'd see fewer black people and the food would be cheaper.

>>54258479
degenerates have always been that way,
don't that fall for that buttfuckery bullshit.

>>54259563
Hunging is for plebs. If a pleb gets cucked he just beats her wife to death, nobody cares about them.

>>54264500
"Who dost he think we are?"

>>54263396
They totally did and the Orkney family knot is probably my favourite fictional fuck-up family in any fiction. Gawain as the effective lead of the family's characters gets immensely complicated if you try to imagine what this guy, as an actual human being, would be like.

The best scene in The Once and Future King is the one where all the brothers meet in a storeroom and almost incidentally decide to kill each other and... Arthur just opens the door and walks in as they've knives to throats.

>>54264601
Mostly because the only place that has white people is the US. Benjamin Franklin said so and he's a Founding Father.

>>54260560
Definitely with the everybody fucking everybody thing. People seem to underestimate just how much sex was happening back in those times. There are literally multiple entire species of contraceptive herbal plants that no longer exist AT ALL, driven to extinction by the sweaty, seething hordes of humanity engaged in night after night of orgiastic bliss.

We only know that they were even a thing because they got written about.

>>54261303
Are YOU gonna tell the armored murderer that he's going to hell if he doesn't stop murdering? He's probably that chad cousin who bullied you for being a weak limbed nerd anyways.

>>54261412
Does hebrew have this distinction? It's you shall not kill in my language. Murder is not even a wide used word, you just kill.

I thought all the cucking happened because medieval people really liked stories where EVERYTHING that could go wrong went HORRIBLY WRONG...

>>54264831
From memory, the original wording is something to the effect of "you will not <kill in such a way that invokes blood guilt between families>".

>>54261194
The way Don Quixote parodys this makes clear that Knights in the Chivalric Romances were basically waifufags.

>>54264861
Cucking happens because it happens IRL.

>>54261207
It would be more accurate to say that hood rats are guys who know in their bones they would be successful in a feaudal society but are repressed from taking what they instinctively see as their rightful place by the rules of a more developed society, so they've set up a shadow feudal hierarchy and are fighting the other, bigger one in which they're doomed to lose to shrimps and brainiacs.

I'm dead serious.

>>54261147
>>54261283
>>54261303
You guys should read the Chronicle of the Franks. It's pretty clear that Christian priests spent a lot of time yelling at brutal knights about how ungodly their behavior was and how much they were going to hell, and that the various nobles didn't give a fuck. Basically modern morals were constructed very, very slowly, brick by brick.

>>54261347
>the historical knights of the round table were barely Christian if they were Christian at all
You're an idiot. There were no historical knights of the round table and even in the early Celtic poems where Arthur first shows up he's explicitly Christian and a character used to teach the rough principles of Christian morality. (For example "Who's The Gatekeeper in Heaven?" where his nephew in the form of an eagle explains afterlife doctrine to Arthur)

>>54264918
So basically killing anyone who isn't from your family in any situation.

>>54264918
This is correct, and given how many other peoples the Hebrews massacre with God's blessing pretty much immediately after receiving the commandments and entering Canaan, it should really be obvious to anyone that other tribes don't count.

>>54258494
>Because that's what Lancelot did, and he's the OG knight.
Lancelot deserved the woman's death. Fight me you little bitch.

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>>54260727
>When women threw themselves at Lancelot's feet, he stepped over them.

>>54259563
There is a beautiful story of a woman who was to be hung tearing her clothing off and tossing them into the crowd as to prevent the executioner from getting to keep them (part of his payment).

Hearing this is why I bought a book on wacky execution fuck ups that I have yet to get to.

>>54265051
IIRC the pople at the time told priests to make knights swear to uphold chivalry while they touched relics, because that was the only way to get through to those thick headed half-pagan tribal retards.

Might have been one of the reasons why there are so many catholic relics. You need a lot of relics to get all those knights all over Europe to swear an oath.

>>54258494
>Because that's what Lancelot did, and he's the OG knight.
t. anglofag

>>54264918
>From memory, the original wording is something to the effect of "you will not <kill in such a way that invokes blood guilt between families>".

Reminder that the original meaning of "hold the other cheek" is "if you lose the argument, be a cheeky cunt and dare the other dude into committing a crime so that you can sue his ass"

The bible's hilarious.

>>54265271
It was mainly because being a site of pilgrimage was profitable.

>>54263774
>As long as he's paying, I don't give a fuck about sleeping with other men

>>54258479
Passing around women is the true Knightly tradition. For some reason, there was always a lack of noble women, despite the fact that the noble men were constantly dying off.

A noble woman who be married at least three times over the course of her life as her husbands died from wars, feuds, crusades, etc

>>54259285
>but are just fine with not worrying about faithfulness to someone we just keep around as a wallet with legs.
This is what happens when you don't learn how to lick pussy.

Don't want to get cucked? Learn to fucking lick pussy. Also, go to the gym you fatfuck.

>>54265800
Lots of women died at childbirth.

>>54260300
You're right, it belongs to the Canaanites, then the Jebusites, then the Israelites.

>>54266017
But pussy is gross and smells weird

>>54258479
You don't fuck the girl you like when it's courtly love.

>>54265800
>despite the fact that the noble men were constantly dying off.

So my aunt dug up the medieval family history. Turns out our family used to be a noble family that picked too many wrong sides during wars, power struggles and assassinations and lost their nobility somewhere around the late Renaissance.
So I'm looking at the list, and none of the men (excluding a few guys that became clergy) lived for more than 50 years.
One guy even died alongside his dad in the same fucking battle.

>>54264636
I've said it once and i'll say it again

THE FUCKING SCOTS
RUINED FUCKING EVERYTHING
FOR FUCKING EVERYONE REEEEEE

>>54265322
In Jesus' defense he was a non-violence advocating social revolutionary who was trying to be SMART about how he opposed a vastly superior occupier. If the other fucking jews hadn't been such Murder Hobo's I wonder what he could've accomplished.

>>54265051
Arthur was basically a story invented to teach morals to children. AKA Knights.

>>54266115
>But pussy is gross and smells weird
That's why you're gonna get cucked. Girls have sexual needs too. If you don't satisfy her, Chad will.

>>54266174
This is why the true superior race learns latin and reads all day and talk shop about their Waifu, Mary.

Unless the vikings show up you're pretty well off.

>>54260646
>>54261104
Don't forget that Sir Galahad was destined to be the saviour of Camelot but (pick which legend):
>He was too young and not yet a knight
>Merlin misread the augury
>He was too busy searching for the Holy Grail
Resulting in Lancelot (who everyone saw as a better knight /was the father of Galahad) taking his place.

>>54266171
>In Jesus' defense he was a non-violence advocating social revolutionary who was trying to be SMART about how he opposed a vastly superior occupier. If the other fucking jews hadn't been such Murder Hobo's I wonder what he could've accomplished.

Jesus was a weird guy.
Jesus Christ.
Christ means Anointed One.
Jewish anointing oil was probably made with a fuckload of olive oil and weed.
Weed only gets you stoned/high if you smoke it, or bind it with fats.
Olive oil is fat. If you get anointed with olive oil that's fuckfull of weed, you're gonna get high as fuck.
Several theologians have proposed that religions dislike drugs because drugs facilitate a democratisation of "religious experiences". Anyone can do drugs and "meet God/The Divine". No more need for NEET priests that sit in a dark room 24/7 12 months in the year meditating when you can literally do some drugs and "hear God" yourself.
Jesus said that God's Temple is in all of us.
Jesus was probably noided as fuck when he said he turned the water into wine, and no one wanted to spoil his high by telling Jesus that no, the water was still water bro.

>>54265800
>For some reason, there was always a lack of noble women

Probably because childbirth was even more dangerous than war

>>54265322
I thought it was "if someone slaps you, be a cheeky cunt and dare them to do it again but now they have to either use the shameful left hand or hit you with a closed fist, forcing them to acknowledge you as an equal"

>>54258494
Funny story. As it turned out, Gweniviere and Arthur weren't making heirs and Lancelot and Gwen both wanted eachother. King Arthur was actually cool with it so long as they kept it quiet. I'm pretty sure Arthur would have passed off any child as his own. Lancelot was actually adamant that he would never betray his king and best friend.

>>54266276
This was also not an altogether unusual arrangement in it's time period.

THE SCOTS
RUINED
EVERYTHING

>>54266264
>because childbirth was even more dangerous than war

For a Knight who was heavily armored and likely to be ransomed off, sure

for your average soldier no, i'm pretty sure War was more dangerous.

>>54266276
>>54266289
So basically, to medieval people, you're only getting cucked if your TRUE LOVE cheats on you?

>>54266256
>anointing oil had weed in it
>probably
Pretty tall order considering it's the minority opinion. Not that democracy creates truth, but the other translations of the ingredients each say a different thing that is not cannabis
Also cannabis doesn't cause hallucinations

>>54258479
The entire point of courtly love was to prevent people from having sex. Especially other people from having sex with your spouse.

>>54258479
because the entire tradition of courtly love and chivalry, as we understand it today, came out of a time after the knightly caste had ceased to be useful, as am exercise in justifying the existence of the now-useless caste through retronning. People are more likely to accept the retcon if it's an interesting and compelling narrative, and it makes a much better romance novel if the love is unattainable, because of higher-status-marriage.

>>54266295
Well, war was still dangerous to noblemen. I will say that noblemen often died to war wounds at home or while imprisoned by the enemy a few weeks or months after the battle. They didn't often straight up die right there in the mud.

>>54259974
Thing is, actually seducing another man's wife was a crime so your perception of medieval romance is contradictory.

>>54266316
But duuuddee weeed lmao religion was just something we came up with while we were high haha all that shit is just high-ideas tips fedora tips fedora wanna get blazed and walk with jesus man

>>54266316
>Pretty tall order considering it's the minority opinion.
I dunno man, I think that's just angry religious people being mad at the implication that their entire faiths are build up out of some guy tripping his fucking balls off.

>>54266017
Goddamnit, stop making everything so gay, anon.

>>54266276
>>54266313
I think in this case it's more or less subtly suggested Gwenhavier COULDN'T conceive (she never did with either man)

>>54260455
>#1
Actually, this was an anti-heckling measure. Assume all anons are boys until stated otherwise.

>#2
Can't. Board rules.

>#3
By that logic, all posts are bait.

>>54266256
I don't think you're quite on the right track here

>>54266365
Whereas Lanselot conceived immediately when he got drunk and banged that other girl "by accident" when him and Gwen were having a fight

>>54266370
>By that logic, all posts are bait.

Correct. Now tits or gtfo

>>54266373
I dunno man. Either Jesus was on drugs, he was a schizophrenic, or he was some scheming sociopathic cult leader. Pick your poison.

I prefer Jesus on drugs, because the other two make Jesus out to be a pretty fucked up individual.

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>>54266370
>Bitch making a big deal out of having a vagina on 4chan

Some things never change. Now fuck off.

>>54261972
IT'S THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING.

>>54266313
Cuckoldry is raising another man's children without realising that they aren't yours.

It comes from the Cuckoo bird which lays its egg in the nest of other birds. If the owner of the nest breaks the egg or pecks the chick to death, its parents swoop in and destroy the contents of the nest. This often forces the other bird to become a cuckold. (See opening one-sentence paragraph)

>>54266399
I'm not sure anything suggests Jesus was any of those things. Isn't it possible he was a smart dude that people started telling him he was the fucking messiah and he wasn't sure how to deal with it? Even in our current fucked up translation he more or less dances around the issue COMPLETLY, except for a few spots where "dude he totally affirmed he was the messiah"

In all of the shared continuity, Jesus tapdances around that fucking question like he's Fred Astaire, because he (rightly) knew that if the Jews thought he was the Messiah they'd get him killed, and if they thought he wasn't the Messiah they'd kill him for telling them they were being a bunch of fucks

He just couldn't win man

>>54261972
>pay the bridge toll!
>nay I shall not for i am an ancap knight, and thou has violated my nap with thy bridge toll!
>this bridge is mine own property! by refusing to pay me for moving onto my property thou has violated my nap!

And then they fought.

>>54266431
this wasn't too far off to be honest

>>54261831
You know that the renaissance is completely different period of time than the medival period right?

>>54258479
>Why is it a knightly tradition to cuck other knights and nobles?

look up diarmid macmuirchadha, and everybody who kidnapped nesta of wales

>>54266430
He was a charismatic jew who was part of a sect created by John the Baptizer, and he took it over and spread the word. At the time, everyone in the roman empire was getting tired of the vindictive nature of gods and they were looking for something else. Romans adopted Sol Invictus, greeks created gnosticism and Jesus' followers said that God's not that bad, but jews were the only ones who chimped out for going against tradition.

>>54264806
What you've stumbled on is the heart of the reasoning of the crusades.

You basically told a bunch of career murderers that they can still get into heaven if they go on this trip to go murder some more. For a knight there is literally no bad thing about it. Well, up until they actually get to the Holy Land and realize what a god awful mess it was.

>>54260378
>Arabia
You mean Egypt, the Levant, Spain and Persia, none of which were arabic. Arabia remained a backwards tribalistic shithole. Also the Byzantine Empire was an economic and scientific powerhouse and it was very european.

>>54266464
I find it hilarious how the Bible and to a lesser extent The Torah are basically "How the Jews Ruined Everything: The story"

>>54266476
>the area classically known as Arabia isn't!
Dude, shut up, adults are talking.

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The only reason the West made any progress at all was because the ignorant men of medieval times were out of the picture for large parts of the period. The women of courtly love were responsible for much of the cultural progress of the era and were far more educated than their male counterparts.

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>>54266521
Do you have brain damage?

>>54266465
God forbid you had to follow the command of French knights. They were literally obsessed with loot and glory, and would gladly charge straight into disadvantageous battles because
1) if they died, they had died in a glorious fight while outnumbered
2) if they didn't die, they had a fuckload of loot to divide among a very small army

>>54266476
Ya, just shut the fuck up you idiot.

>>54266171
Orkney is sorta distinct from Scotland in the fake-Britain of Arthur, no? Like Cornwall.

>>54266534
but anon women usually couldn't BE clergy, the people producing social and scientific advancement

>>54266534
The real progress happened when the people found roman and Greek ideas and started stealing them, with permission from the Roman Catholics. The men and women basically killed each other until then

>>54266546
Classic Arabia was not a country, but a catchall description of the Middle East known today.
That you are willingly using a latter day map only makes you look stupid, grasping for justification.

>>54266579
Clergy didn't do scientific advancement. They just sat on all that Greek and Roman knowledge and kept it in-house.

Safekeeping =/= advancement.

>>54266589
>Classic Arabia was not a country, but a catchall description of the Middle East known today.
Do you have a source for that? I'm pretty sure Arabia was distinguished from Egypt, Palestine (The entire levantine coast), Persia and Africa (Northern africa at the time).

>>54266579
Yea good point the monks did a lot of wonderful things, like discovering the field of genetics

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>>54266591
>Clergy didn't do scientific advancement.

>>54266602
Instead of posting a Tumblr .gif you might just post an example.

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>>54266591
>Clergy didn't do any scientific advancement but women did because they were smarter and better educated, even though only clerics got education during the middle ages

Amazing.

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>>54263546
>Knights getting on griffons in order to quest for their fellow knight's lost minds on the moon
That really does happen? This is great.

>>54259512
>that's the product of later writers (most of them Victorian and uncomfortable with that shit).
[citation needed]*
At time that I needed to study literature I learned abut duality in chivalry romance and other medieval shit with dualism of bad body and it's impulses and desires while mind and soul are pure. It is from Neoplatonism of saint Augustine.

*I have not encountered this views and now I am really curious if this is correct or full of shit.

>>54266609
>Instead of posting a Tumblr .gif you might just post an example.

>>54266637
>>54266606
You ever hear of this guy called Copernicus?

>>54266637
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_European_scientists

Retard

>>54266606
>>54266637

>tumblr .gif
>Tsao Tsao laughing at his rival as he has successfully stalled him long enough for the sun to move into a posistion advantageous for his army
>tumblr

I want Summerfags to go and stay go. But since you asked.

José de Acosta (1539–1600) – Jesuit missionary and naturalist who wrote one of the first detailed and realistic descriptions of the new world

François d'Aguilon (1567–1617) – Belgian Jesuit mathematician, physicist, and architect

Albert of Saxony (philosopher) (c. 1320–1390) – German bishop known for his contributions to logic and physics; with Buridan he helped develop the theory that was a precursor to the modern theory of inertia[6]

Albertus Magnus (c. 1206–1280) – Dominican friar and Bishop of Regensberg who has been described as "one of the most famous precursors of modern science in the High Middle Ages." Patron saint of natural sciences; Works in physics, logic, metaphysics, biology, and psychology.

Roger Bacon (c. 1214–1294) – Franciscan friar who made significant contributions to mathematics and optics and has been described as a forerunner of modern scientific method

Bernardino Baldi (1533–1617) – abbot, mathematician, and writer

Theodoric Borgognoni (1205–1298) – Dominican friar, Bishop of Cervia, and medieval Surgeon who made important contributions to antiseptic practice and anaesthetics

Christopher Borrus (1583–1632) – Jesuit mathematician and astronomy who made observations on the magnetic variation of the compass

Thomas Bradwardine (c. 1290–1349) – Archbishop of Canturbury and mathematician who helped develop the mean speed theorem; one of the Oxford Calculators

Jean Buridan (c. 1300 – after 1358) – priest who formulated early ideas of momentum and inertial motion and sowed the seeds of the Copernican revolution in Europe


This is A-B, edited for those who were born before the 1600's.

>>54266677
Copernicus was NOT medieval.

>>54264831
Yes, it does. The Hebrew infinitive for "To Kill" is
הרג

What you see in Exodus 20:12 is לא תרצח, which is do not murder, at least when applied to people. (It could theoretically also mean do not smash objects to pieces, but that seems less likely from context).

>>54266695
>José de Acosta (1539–1600)
NOT MEDIEVAL
>François d'Aguilon (1567–1617)
NOT MEDIEVAL
>Albert of Saxony (philosopher) (c. 1320–1390)
Late medieval, okay find.
>Albertus Magnus (c. 1206–1280)
Late medieval, okay find.
>Roger Bacon (c. 1214–1294)
Late medieval, okay find.
>Bernardino Baldi (1533–1617)
NOT MEDIEVAL
>Theodoric Borgognoni (1205–1298)
Late medieval, okay find.
>Christopher Borrus (1583–1632)
NOT MEDIEVAL
>Thomas Bradwardine (c. 1290–1349)
Late medieval, okay find.
>Jean Buridan (c. 1300 – after 1358)
Late medieval, okay find.

How about you find me some people from the early middle ages, or the high middle ages. All you did was list a fuckload of people from the Renaissance, and a few people from the late middle ages.

>>54266696
>>54266760

In the history of Europe, the Middle Ages or Medieval Period lasted from the 5th to the 15th century.

Nicolaus Copernicus (1473–1543) – Renaissance astronomer and canon famous for his heliocentric cosmology that set in motion the Copernican Revolution


Still 'too late' for you since it scrapes the end? Roger Bacon, Albert of Saxony, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Bradwardine, Jean Buridan, Robert Grossteste, Ramon Llull, William of Ockham, Nicole Orseme, John Peckham, Johannes de Sacrobosco, Pope Sylvester II, Theodoric of Freiburg, Witelo, Vincent of Beauvais

Are you seriously fucking looking for major written scientific works before the 10th century AD, you mong?

>>54266295
I'd recommend "Growing up in medieval London" by Barbera Hainswalt. If you were an urban lady in medieval/renaissance Europe, your chances of dying within 1 month of giving birth were a bit under 1 in 5. That's per pregnancy by the way, not per woman. It was lower for rural women, because it was mostly post-birth infections, not childbirth itself, and there was less contagion when population density was lower.

Remember, most people would not go to war more than once in their life, if even that, and most battles in the era would only have mass casualties for the loser, since most of the killing was done in a post-rout chase. Meanwhile, women are getting pregnant and giving birth almost constantly.

Childbirth was orders of magnitude more dangerous than war, even for the common soldiery.

>>54266760
Bede, Rabanus Maurus and Adelard of Bath. There's others, as well.

Also, the reason there's seemingly not as many scientists from medieval europe is because paper at the time was really shit and papyrus rotted really fast in the cold, humid climate of europe compared to the dry climate of the levant and northern africa. You'll notice that the amount of writings, books and scientists explode in the 13th and 14th century and that's because it's when higher quality paper was invented (by europeans).

>>54266835
Neat

Call me when 10,000 women die of pregnancy in one day in one place

>>54266819
The Renaissance isn't part of the medieval period, you fucking retard. Get the fuck out.

>Are you seriously fucking looking for major written scientific works before the 10th century AD, you mong?
Yes. Because for most of the medieval period, the clergy just sat on a big stack of Antiquity knowledge, doing nothing. Only at the butt-end of the Late Middle Ages do they start working with all that wisdom they have.

>>54266677
>>54266686
>>54266695
>>54266760
>>54266819
>>54266838
A few people working with all that Roman-era knowledge only shows that a few people were actively using all that knowledge that the VAST MAJORITY of clergymen were just safekeeping.

Actually doing something with that knowledge was an exception to the rule, not the rule.

>>54266873
Call me again when you have the vast majority of a given political unit's men actually fighting in battle, year in and year out, for the entirety of puberty until the ages that women have menopause.

Oh wait, that doesn't happen?

>>54266882
>>54266917

Are you... retarded? Is that the issue you have? There are places you can go anon, people you can see.

The Medieval Period is the 5th century to the 15th century. As for what they 'did' with their knowledge, what exactly were they fucking supposed to do with it? They had their hands full keeping the records safe and accurate. No one else could read, the lands were ruled by Warlords who gave NO fucks unless it gave them an advantage in battle, and the records themselves were in foreign languages and often incomplete and always in a process of degrading.

Fucking fedora's who just can't handle that Christian Monks were the font of scientific and philosophical understanding of their era. If you can't deny they actually did these things, you have to argue they didn't do it FAST enough to suit you.

>>54266943
2nd Punic War

>>54266943
The Hundred Years War :^)

>>54266953
>wuuuuh muh feelings muh christian feelings

Back to fucking Mexico with you, Pedro. Fucking spic.

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>>54266989
>with all avenue's available to him demolished, the anon turns to /pol/, cloudying up the water with his shit in an effort to escape

>>54266953
>2nd Punic War
Nowhere close. Polybius gives betwen the Romans and their allies 770,000 men fit to bear arms in 225 B.C., and in a war that lasted for 17 years, and had new people being born and inducted to military age and property during that time, the number is far higher. You never see anything close to that number of troops being fielded.

>>54266974
You mean when the population of about 14 million in France never sent forth an army bigger than about 40,000? Or England's 3 millions never sending forth an army bigger than about 20,000 or so? Can you do math? The other guy's second Punic War comes way closer.

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>>54266917
Let me guess, you're either a shitposter or a retarded muslim who's trying to downplay the achievements of everyone who doesn't worship a pedophile. You think your meme arab scholars weren't just regurgitating and "safekeeping" greek and egyptian and syrian knowledge? Do you have any idea what "nothing new under the sun" means and when it was said?

>>54259187
>we don't tend to marry guys for their proficiency in bed; having a big wallet (or a big castle) is a much nicer catch.
>mfw my wife is the primary breadwinner and married me for my proficiency in bed

Though to be fair I married her for her proficiency in bed and her amazing cooking skills

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>>54259230
Don't worry anon, I appreciated your joke.

>>54267022
>>54266943
>implying women just shat out one baby after another like a conveyor belt and were in LIFE THREATENING PERIL every fucking time

Even in the unlikely instance they were, worth was more or less miserable for *everyone*. That's why we (very unhistorically) call it the DARK ages. Men and women labored their entire lives, dying of disease or starvation or war, doing little more than surviving

>>54267073
a lot of those marriages do fall apart, so work hard at it anon, I believe in you.

>>54267084
You should stop getting your history from cracked, retard.

>>54267095
And you should stop getting yours from hysterical historically revisionist feminists who want to downplay the equal suffering of the sexes to fit a narrative that lets them feel like martyrs for something their ancestors put up with centuries ago

Next you'll tell me women couldn't own property or make money.

>>54258479
It's knightly tradition NOT to do that, but to yearn instead.

>>54266547
Sounds totally badass.

>>54265284
Lancelot was a French writer's mary sue who cucked the king of England and his son, Galahad was an even bigger one, although he was a pretty cool guy.

>>54258479
It is the mission of each true Knight
His duty - nay, his privilege:
The dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
TO LOVE, PURE AND CHASTE FROM AFAR

>>54259187
Yes, because you are a woman, not just a redpill r9k trolling :^)

>>54267109
I didn't say that. I'm saying that life in medieval ages wasn't the hell you think it was. Also women had it better than men, considering all they had to do in addition to the normal work was to give birth, as opposed to (depending on realm) being called to go fight in a war and getting killed by their lord if caught without a bowstring.

>>54267164
except you check the other anons replies and childbirth was apparently WAY WORSE than war in all ways AND HYPER LETHAL

>>54267175
Oh, I didn't see that.

And lol no it wasn't, if it was we wouldn't be here anymore.

>knights were expected to have oneitis and orbit some roastie from the nobility

>>54266427
>If the owner of the nest breaks the egg or pecks the chick to death, its parents swoop in and destroy the contents of the nest.
I don't know where you heard this but it isn't true.

The cuckoo lays an egg in another bird's nest and the hatchling develops faster/larger than the others, causing the death of its "siblings". The adult cuckoo is nowhere to be found after it drops off the egg.

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>>54266882
The renaissance wasn't some sort of magical time period where the entirety of europe stopped being medieval, it was a localized movement that lasted for about 20 or 30 years in northern Italy. Places like England continued being feudal shitholes until the closing stages of the 15th century and Russia had serfdom until the 19th century.

>>54259187
>. Why should we be exclusive to one man when we can sleep around and get taken care of, and desired, and attention from lots of men?

Mostly because when a social contract collapses, one side stops playing at the same rate or at all. Witness the modern phenomenon of successful men or even mediocre men who have realized that marriage is a losing game and instead get their sex casually or through porn and prostitution and their emotional gratification through the media or a pet. This is mostly working out for men, who are pretty independent, but not as well for women.

It also presents a danger of being replaced by populations that breed like cockroaches.

>>54267094
Just celebrated our 15-year wedding anniversary a couple weeks ago (been together for 20), but thanks for the heads-up!

>>54260455

Wow a post from 2009

>>54267036
>achievements

If you think the amount of scientific progress in the european middle ages can hold a candle to the amount during antiquity or the early modern period, or even just motherfucking China during the middle ages, you're fucking retarded.

>>54267257
>Witness the modern phenomenon of successful men or even mediocre men who have realized that marriage is a losing game and instead get their sex casually or through porn and prostitution and their emotional gratification through the media or a pet.
That's just ugly fat men that cannot get a sexy woman based off their own looks and physique, so they use tools to acquire women of a higher beauty standard than would be available to them through normal means.

>>54267639
It's weird to think about how in the past, we've always had huge amounts of bachelors who were only able to secure sex through prostitutes, but they largely went under the radar, and only now with the Internet do we get to see how many thirsty males there actually are.

It's also really interesting to see how the MRA/MGTOW crowd has responded to this and attempted to convince themselves that they don't actually want to be with women.

>>54266819
What about that crazy monk guy who built himself some wings and nearly died trying to fly?

>>54266567
Yes. Orkney is its own kingdom and Scotland isn't just one kingdom, either. In fact, a lot of the time when Malory says England he seems to mean what we'd call Britain, and when he wants to refer to modern England he says Logrys; but he's so inconsistent about it that it's hard to be quite sure.

In any case, the best king is Deu of Goddal, i.e. God of the Valley of God.

>>54267257
> Witness the modern phenomenon of successful men or even mediocre men who have realized that marriage is a losing game

You better have a list of those, because most of the ones that come to mind are married or have been married at least twice.

>>54268156
He's talking about himself, obviously.

>>54266534
I can't believe people actually got trolled by this. It was a nice thread for a while too.

>>54267175
Statisticly it was. Women of childbearing age had up to a 1 in 4 chance of dying during every pregnancy. Without access to safe or effective contraception/abortion, this continued every year between the ages 13-45 (roughly), so long as they were still being ploughed.

In no war until the age of industrialised warfare did your average soldier undergo anything like such a risk. A 1 in 4 chance of dying for every male of military age, for 30+ years? That's the sort of attrition that bleeds nations dry. I think the closest comparison is the 30 years war.

Short version, people in the modern developed world have no fucking clue how dangerous pregnancy is without modern developed medicine. There's a reason why it's still one of the leading causes of death *today*.

>>54268668
>I think the closest comparison is the 30 years war.
Holy fucking shit, put that fucking war between spoilers.
That as one massive fuckup of collossal proportions. To put it in perspective, if you use relative numbers, the 30 Year War makes WW2 including Holocaust look like a joke.

>>54268989
Hence why in almost all societies until the modern age the amount of unmarried men outnumbered the amount of marriageable women, and why the upper classes put so much emphasis on finding brides from superior child-bearing stock.

The numbers are almost unbelieveable, but the archaeology supports the conclusion. Pregnancy without modern science is brutal.

>>54268668
>>54268989
I recall hearing that Paraguay lost 90% of its men in the War of the Triple Alliance.

>>54261349
Sir Percival's the best.
And he saw the pommel of his sword which had a cross on it which made him make a cross on his forehead because he encountered the Devil earlier that same fucking day and when he made the cross on his forehead during that encounter he injured the Devil's snake.

>>54267238
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2410329

>>54266375
Do you mean Elain of Corbenic?
That happened because Elain tricked Lancelot into thinking she was Guinevere with magical bullshit.

>>54269220
Wow, that's pretty interesting

Guess I was wrong!

>>54269140
That happened in the modern age. Basically in historiography anything after 1800 is considered 'modern', although some people also go back as far as mid-renaissance or Reformation. I don't know why.

>>54260679
The guy has a castle and presumidly leads armies. What's some wife burnt at the stake?

>>54269338
Burning at the stake is for heretics. And if your wife is burned at the stake, it won't be long before you're burned at the stake too.

>>54269951
How about you READ THE FUCKING LITERATURE EVERYONE IS DISCUSSING

>>54269976
And what does that matter?

Arthur was lucky he lived in savage pagan post-apocalyptic times because otherwise he would have gotten his shit kicked in.

>>54270072
>savage pagan post-apocalyptic
que?

>>54270072
Arthur is largely always depicted as Christian.

>>54270169
People have the idea that the Saxon invasion resulted in all the Britons east of Bristol being slaughtered. The reality is somewhat less spectacular.

>>54270317
Is this a "Britain is England" thing again (and an inaccurate one at that)?

>>54270403
Something like that. DNA/archeological evidence indicates that even after the invasion native Britons outnumbered saxons 4 to 1 in the south and east, and the saxon settlers quickly married into the native population. The only people that were 'wiped out' were the ruling elites, aristocrats, and clergy. And most of those were able to migrate elsewhere, causing the usual problems that occur when a band of salty rich guys with too much money find themselves out of power.

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>>54261198
Truly best knight.

>>54268989
Americlap here, what the fuck is up with this war?

>>54274601
We just had to settle some shit, okay?

>>54274421
I'd like Gawain to get the close-focus lens and interpretative treatment Lancelot usually gets in retellings of the myth.

>>54274601
Basically everyone in Europe took turns using Germany as a battleground, mainly using German mercenaries. So if Spain was mad at England for not being Catholic enough or whatever, they would pay money to have a bunch of Germans fight the English (or, more likely, another bunch of Germans being paid by the English to fight the Swedish (German mercenaries)). Whenever someone dropped out of the fight when they ran out of money/got bored, usually someone else would decide now was the perfect time to pile in. This went on for thirty years.

>>54274601
It started off as a religious fight and almost became war for war's sake - and the kind of political maneuvering via war any American should be familiar with ;^)

You're looking at population decreases of 40-50% and to be fair that is matched by the Hundred Years' War (in France) and in some of the ancient Chinese conflicts but still: lotta deaths. Lot of normal people caught up in an unending mercenary brutality.

>>54274635
whenever europeans want to settle anything, it usually just means they want to kill a whole lot of other europeans

>>54274742
Being from a country where one half is still pissed off at the other for a war that didn't kill nearly as many people it's amazing that Europe can go hard at one another so many times and still mostly keep civil.

Though I do understand why they settle all their conflicts with a singing competition now.

>>54274839
There's literally an actual shooting war going on in Europe right now.

>>54274839
>mostly keep civil.
Mostly that's due to recent developments. European countries made themselves codependent through stuff like the trade aspect of the EU.

Europeans genuinely having a hateboner for other EU countries was basically non-stop until the early cold war period. Or, i guess the end of WW2, depending on who you ask.

>>54274856
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>54274917
he is literally right, where do you live?

>>54260750
>>54260707
The reason why sociopathic or egotistical women get away with monstrous behaviour is simply that men are too respectful of women's privacy to tell all their friends about it in detail (the way a woman would.)
Men who are looking for relationships almost universally wish to avoid women who exhibit those kinds of behaviours. If we were better at swapping war stories and doing research into people we're into (something many women incidentally tend to be great at), we would practically never get NTR'ed by chads because we'd hear about all the red flags from each prospective mate's past before we got fucking married to her.

>>54274956
>No information, just goading
Oh you almost had me for a sec.

>>54267250
>localized
So you're just straight up lying. Contrarianism has reached new, bizarre heights i see.

>>54275128
Ukraine, m8.

>>54275226
Ukraine is about as European as the rest of the east bloc. Which is to say, maybe 10% on a good day.

Due to how disliked the Soviet Union ended up being, they might not strictly agree with me on my opinion that they're more Russian than European, and it can't exactly be argued that we aren't on the same landmass...

But that doesn't mean there isn't a clear and obvious divide between them and us which is apparent to everyone involved, Ukrainians included.

>>54266171
>Invented

But King Arthur was real Anon.
He's going to come back and save Britain when we need him most.

>>54266546
> Happy Araby
What, is there a sad Arab...
> Desart Arabia
Oh. Yeah that make sense.

>>54258479
Because women have been fickle and seducable for 10000+ years?

>>54276554
Oh wow, so women are "seduced" and have no opinion of their own right? Why is that, is it because they are objects?

Fuck you pal, don't be a fucking bigot. It's 2017.

>>54276554
Because women have been manipulative and seductresses for 10000+ years?

>>54267599
What progress Europe lacked in the hard sciences were more than made up for in social sciences. The modern middle class is a purely European invention and the sole reason for the continued dominance of Europe and her former colonies in the world stage.

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>>54258494
>Lancelot
>not Galahad

>>54258589
Wow.
>>54263150
Yes.