Pauper is a format without Planeswalkers, Pushed Mytics, ((F

i keep toying with buying into mtgo and i figure pauper is a good way to get in.

whats the cheapest pauper deck you guys think is fun? not necessarily good.

>>54256095
Decided to look into this for nostalgia's sake. The URL for MtG Hunter doesn't work, the www should be removed.

Pauper is great, shame wizards doesn't want to print good commons any more so there's not much to look forward to in the future in terms of the format developing

> ((Financial Value))
edgy

>>54256420
Maybe Kuldotha Boros or Delver. They both have plenty of lines of play.

>>54256658
Masters sets always have a chance of making big impacts on pauper because wizards is much more likely to downshift powerful cards in rarity. I don't think we need to bring up the peregrine drake fiasco. But besides that, off the top of my head both augur of bolas and dinrova horror came from the most recent masters set and are seeing good amounts of play.

>>54256658
They just slowly downprint ex-legacy staples for us. At this point legacy as of 1999 is just about all common online, it is just that mongoose and nacatl cannot compete with delver of secrets.

is it uncommon to have a paper pauper scene?

>>54258737
It is, but you can always talk to an LGS about starting a league. It's what I did, and it's amazing what 5 dollar entry can encourage people to do. 5 dollar entry and it all goes right into the prize pool, and we have weekly pauper tournaments now.

My pauper decks are this really nice and shiny Selesnya populate deck and shitty b/g infect.

>>54256095
>Pauper is a format without Planeswalkers, Pushed Mytics, ((Financial Value)) that has actually good spells like Bolt and Counterspell.

Pauper is also a format without any interesting cards. All the cool cards with complicated effects are rare or mythic.

>>54258807
>t. someone who has never played pauper.
Go jerk off to jace.

>>54258807
have you ever played a deck with 4 ponder 4 brainstorm

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>>54258834
There is a reason why there is 78% aggro and 1% combo. Is because Commons are simpler and duller, they purposefully make them weaker and remove complex interactions thanks to NWO

>A lack of combo means that commons are dull and boring
there's various 2 card combos in pauper. they're just slow. The format isn't welcoming to combo because of the existence of the powerful control options at common.

NWO also only effects new commons, not the ones already legal in the format like Counterspell, Ponder, Preordain, Brainstorm.

>>54258944
No it is because pauper has nevet been anle to deal with combo so they ban it when it appears.

At one point or another pauper has been dominated by:
Storm
Infect
Temporal fissure storm
Esper combo (super janky but tier 1)
Drake combo

Even banning 5 decks out of existence, affinity still requires atog fling to be dominant.

>>54259000
A 76% of aggro shows that the format tends towards dumb aggro strategies because the interactions of synergy between cards have been pushed away put dumb beaters and token generators at common. If I wanted to play a shit format full of aggro I would play modern, at least storm is legal there

>>54258737
Damn thats a nice sentence. Crisp af

Pauper is welfare Legacy which is completely great.

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>>54259051
Is the Empty the Warrens ban made sense at the time, and the Cranial Plating, Frantic Search, Invigorate, and Treasure Cruise bans still do.

But is "combo is painful to playthrough online" the only reason Cloud of Faeries, Cloudpost, Empty the Warrens, Grapeshot, Peregrine Drake, and Temporal Fissure are still banned?

>>54256420
I got into it with a b/w tokens deck that cost under $5 and wins plenty of games

>>54261281
I think the problem really is that control is much better than aggro anyways, combo just tops that off.

If they wanted to include the combo-control decks they would need to take cranial plating or invigorate off the ban list to offset it.

>>54256095
>pauper
Must suck being a poorfag

>>54261281
can someone explain why why the drake and faeries are banned? is there some combo?

>>54262218
Yeah, sucks to play a format that feels like 90s magic but more balanced and approachable.

>>54262339
It very easily allows you to make infinite mana, and is in one color and is in the color with the best ways to protect the combo.

in short, the answers to the deck are so much weaker than the answers the deck has itself, in the form of hard counters and bounce spells.

>>54262339
Flicker and archaemoancer makes an infinite mana combo, cloud of faeries also requires familiars to reduce the cost of flicker.

Cloud of faeries ban also dropped U Delver a bit in power.

>>54262373
>>54262363
ah i understand cheers
really wish this format was more active irl :( really baffled by the fact it isnt

>>54262482
If it were sanctioned in paper I think it would have a huge following. Sadly it's only sanctioned online so many people don't know about it.

It definitely should be supported in paper.

>>54256658
Exhume decks got a bunch of shit with all the new cycling creatures, at least.

>>54256095
>He posts the Uncommon version for the Pauper General
ONE JOB OP! ONE JOB!

>>54262600
Do you reckon that could ever happen? Or would WoTC have no desire to promote an inexpensive format

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>>54262218

>tfw multiple 2k+ EDH decks
>tfw love Pauper

>>54258944
Yeah NWO has errata'd so many old cards.

>>54264488

We have a decent sized scene in Seattle. Card Kingdom is up here and runs big Pauper events regularly.

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post memes

>>54264697
Yeah you can do snarky comments, but you cannot negate the fact that the format is extremely unbalanced and unhealthy with three quarters being aggro and one being control.
People here are either poorfags or Delusional miraclefags that still feel bad for the top banning.

Pauper Burn i some of the most fun ive ever had playing magic. And it made me better at counting!

>>54266200
Nice meme but it needs more Bushwhacker.

>>54256095
>Planeswalkers
What's wrong with them other than their price?

>>54258780
Local bar I play at has a pauper league with $.50 entry. First prize is a plate of hot wings.

>>54267457
I hate them. As simple as that.

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>>54267457
>value machine permanent that protects ifself
>protected with claws and teeth by WoTC, everything that targets them is rare, never prints hate that hoses them,

>>54267457
they're just lame

>>54267457
Some people are not intelligent enough to play around them.

>>54256658
They just printed a sorcery spell that's not entirely unlike electrickery and a one mana 8 life spell for sideboard. We usually get 1 good card each set. More from the Masters Sets.

>>54267734
>Planeswalkers die to fucking creatures
>plenty of black killspells that hit Planeswalkers
>Planeswalkers can get countered
>Planeswalkers die to burn
>Planeswalkers start at cmc3
>plenty of Planeswalkers with no built-in survival (though you don't see them as they're too shit too play as they die to creatures)

>>54268023
when they print a 1 mana Black Destroy target planeswalker, a 2 mana White exile target Planeswalker and 4 Mana Destroy all walkers we get to talk.
Also Burn dosen't kill anyone but Tibalt.
If you think that 2 bolts is a fair trade you are a cuck.

>>54268389
>i will only accept planeswalkers when they become entirely unplayable and useless
No John, you are the cucks.

>>54268389
You know what stopped Saherli cat combo while it was legal in standard? Fucking shock.
>>54256744
You forgot burning-tree waifu.

>>54256095
I think that Torex is one of my favorite decks in any format, even its not very good.
I'm also partial to UW tron.

>>54269717
You mean, WotC banlist?

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storm is back guys

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>>54266200
BUGS
P
I
G
S

>>54273364
how?

>>54273364
Ur tandem combo is pretty sweet now.

I need advice, started brewing these a week or so ago but never got a chance to play them

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-07-17-ur-alchemist/

Delver and 8 alchemists plus Thunderous Wrath and bolts

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-05-17-rakdos-control/

Lots of removal and card advantage, 8 alchemists to get more value out of removal and card advantage and 2 anglers as finishers

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/09-07-17-suicide-black/

I don't like Stompy but i like efficent creatures anyway so i brewed this, not really sure how would fare in a competitive environment

what color sleeves should i use for snow delver

>>54267734
Solemnity should have hosed planeswalkers instead of all else but.

>>54274204
White? How is it even a question?

>>54261573
This, give me Plating back, you can ban Atog too if you want i hate it anyway, he's not a robot and doesn't fit with the rest of the deck, he just hurts my robots

>>54267734
Most things that target PWs are rare and up because they dont want cards talking about a permanent you rarely see in limited occuring more often. The Support keyword used to buff loyalty as well as give +1/+1 counters but that was one reason why it got changed. Imagine that world where Support buffed walkers.

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is mtgo worth it if they are making a new thing?

>>54274783
There is no plans to get rid of MTGO for a good long while as theyre still actively supporting and programming for it, and if they did they wouldnt just make everything you did on it not transfer over to the new platform. Thats why they havent pulled the trigger yet in the first place. Way too many people are way too wrapped up in MTGO right now to just say fuck em no matter how shit it is.

>>54273592
w2c those sheets senpai. I always mire your photos desu

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>>54256095
while it is a cheap format and a mythic-less one. pauper feels incredibly boring. being stuck to commons limits what you can make greatly, just play EDH if you want more fun.

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Red pill me on dredge. Why should I play it over other strategies and decks?

>>54275981
I can't speak for anyone else, but I enjoy both.

Anyone else here start playing pauper from EDH because legacy was just too lofty to get into? I just finished my legacy deck, too, but pauper just seems a little comfier, anyway.

>>54276027
I can only black pill you. It suffers a lot from Relic of Progenitus, and I really mean it.
Otherwise, Spore Frog is fucking king.

>>54273592
Can you undying evil an evoked mull drifter?

>>54276984
yes, while the trigger is on the stack

>>54276984
Yeah, and it is awesome. There is also angelic renewal, which costs 1 more to do the same thing in white.

>>54277095
>to do the same thing in white
Won't make it a 3/3.

>>54276984
Not only can you, you can draw the Undying Evil off the Mulldrifter.

>think building a -1/-1 counters deck might be better with AKH block support
>realize almost all good stuff for that is uncommon or above
>cry

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>>54277240
God forbid they actually print playable commons in the NWO. Just republish "when cards go bad v.3505943"

>>54277066
>>54277095
>>54277210
Well I just came. I have been looking at this deck every time you post it. It's just value.dek. Looks fun mind if I try it out bro?

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Currently playing Mono-White Soldiers.
It's a very comfy deck, it's fair and have awnsers to everything.
I also play a Exhume list eventually. I planning to make it Grixis, I'm not sure.

Some guy posted about big red in a prior thread, if you're still here, could you post your deck list?

>>54277240
Play Paesant my friend

>>54268389
>4 mana destroy all walkers
What is "Hour of Devastation"?

>>54279897
5 mana

>>54268389
Friend, you haven't lived until Dreadbore has been in your life.

Currently building UB reanimator, i see a lot of people played Mental Note/Thought Scour + Brainstorm, why not use Careful Study or now Strategic Planning? They are basically that card combo condensed in one card.

>>54268389
Planeswalkers die to fucking BOOMPILE.
Oblivion Stone, Eye of Doom, Coercive Portal, Perilous Vault. Plague Boiler. Ratchet Bomb.

>>54279897
Also Hour of Revelation

>>54279913
Oh.

I meant...
"Hour of Revelation."

Stupid hours.

>>54280024
It's 3/6 mana then

I'm a modern and standard player. I want to get into pauper. Grixis with gurmag and cantrips will be my thing. How good is that kind of list going to be if I attend a pauper event. Would grixis exhume with a 1 mana cycle creatures be better/more fun. I see exhume lists use an Eldrazi as a finish. I kind of hate he Eldrazi and would prefer not to play with them.

It's a shame combo is pretty dead in Pauper. I love combo.

>>54268389

Nobody would play 1 mana destroy planeswalker or 2 mana exile planeswalker, those cards would be trash because planeswalkers aren't good enough to dedicate deckslots that do nothing but kill a single walker

>>54277913
I'd been considering an idea with auramancer and angelic renewal. This sounds even better.

>>54280697
Hard to beat annihilator. Striped riverwinder is an option that fits with your cycle plan though.

>>54280697
UB delver might be your thing. It casts cantrips and anglers. Competitive deck too. The 3rd colour is a stretch with pauper's mana but not impossible

>>54280831
Not him but i have a question on current reanimator lists: is it necessary to run Thought Scour or Mental Note now that all the targets for reanimation can dump themselves in the graveyard with cycle? Wouldn't it be better to run Augur of Bolas, Brainstorm, Ponder and maybe Preordain to dig for Exhume instead of risking to mill it? And also why use Brainstorm and Thought Scour to avoid this happening when you could have used Careful Study or Strategic Planning to achieve the same effect with a single card?

>>54280868
I'm the previous anon and I am thinking strategic planning is probably going to be better. I wanted to go grixis for faithless looting.

What targets with cycling are we looking to use. Knee ally don't know the format all that well tbhf

>>54281133
Striped Riverwinder and Greater Sandwurm, also Twisted Abomination in 1-2 copies is useful vs removal heavy lists or to offer a sticky blocker and Gurmag Angler is evergreen in black so there's zero reason not to have a playset of it as well

>>54280868
I believe Thought Scour and Mental Note are more played in Gurmag Delver lists, as they can fill the bin for Gurmag and help Delver flip. I wouldn't run either of them in a reanimation list.

Careful Study and Strategic Planning could possibly still be useful- they dig deeper than just drawing one from cycling. If I was building for eldrazi reanimation and running U I'd consider using them, but when the reanimation target has cycling, I'd probably focus more on the better draw/selection spells.

FWIW for Exhume style reanimation I prefer a slower BUG build that runs forbidden alchemy.

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Hey pauper general, looking for some help with a matchup. It's been driving me up the wall, because I face this matchup pretty much 1-2x a league, if not more.

I've been on a fairly stock version of Kuldotha Boros. i do pretty well in most of my matchups, excepting tron variants, but I have an extremely hard time playing against U/R delver. I have no idea whether I'm supposed to be favored or not, but I have been going under the gameplan of plopping down early blockers and riding out their tempo with my removal.

Sometimes it works, but most of the time, they end up finding a shitload of counterspells or removal anyways. What should be my general gameplan? Should I try to force the race?

I'm packing 3x pyroblasts in the side, but they end up bringing in 2-3x stormbound geists as well. Are there other good sideboard options I should bring in?

Any other advice?

Thank you.

Why are some commons on MTGO so absurdly expensive?

I've been out of the pauper loop for a bit, did Amonkhet/Hours give anything good to Tortured Existence?

>>54281589
Raze poops all over tron. For fearies you need to play spellstutter and kill it asap.

>>54281589
Gut shot hits a lot of things that Delver runs. Can swing a spellstutter sprite situation out of nowhere.

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Are you motherfuckers ready for some Pauper Commander?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pauper-commander-twin/

What's the best Pauper deck to build if I have a ton of fun ramping into big Simic shit and throwing +1/+1 counters around?

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>>54281966

>>54267533
Close to one of the best thing I've ever heard. Am very jealous of your local bar. Where's it at?

>>54256095
I really dislike MTGO but right now I don't have many chances to play paper, should I pick up a pauper deck for it? It seems like a fun format and it's cheap which seems good as I don't really want to spend money on an interface ripped out of win 98 solitaire.

>>54283380
what are u asking man like if ur not gna have fun with the mgto interface ur not gonna have fun

>>54283962
Just if it's worth it, is pauper active online? Will I find matches at any hour?

>>54283990
as far as i know its pretty active

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Could pic related have a place in Deep Hours Aggro to make it my honest to god ninjas-meets-faeries wet dream?

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god, all deck pics are old mouldy reposts now.

I want to play something new, but nothing really tickles my funbox.

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>>54282372
>pauper commander

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>>54284451
Here it goes.

>>54284451
>Imperiosaurus
My fellow man of african heritage

>>54258858
You're also supposed to mention the fact that Gush is legal even tho the reason it's legal is the fact that your threats are not that bad.

>>54277861
NWO isn't about powerlevel you mong it's about complexity.

>>54287331
Not him, but in practice, it kinda ends up being about power level at least as much as it is about complexity. Unfortunately. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cruise is the obvious exception.

Brewing around with some dumb ideas using Gearseeker Serpent and Bastion Inventor in a mono blue "artifacts matter" deck.
I wanna add an equipment to give the Inventor Flying, not sure if Neurok Hoversail or Cobbled Wings is better for that.

Also, Investigate spells and creatures or just generally a bunch of artifacts/eggs to get to my bombs and flood the board with Artifacts for Affinity and Improvise effects?

>>54287438
I wouldn't personally go with those equipment as they suck major ass, if you have less than 16 non-creature artifacts between the eggs and the 2 Flayer Husks put in more eggs, if not just use Somber Hoverguard

>>54267457
There are literally no interesting Planeswalker in flavor or gameplay. They feel more like fucking moba characters than cards.

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>>54287020
this looks scarily like a list i tried out years back.

>want to try out new deck
>24 lands
>start with 0-1 land 4 games in a row
Universe is telling me not to play this deck I think.

>>54273662
You play the wincon first, then you combo off.

>>54274783
They already announced that mtg next will be the continuation of the Duels of the Planeswalker series, which will be unsupported after HOU.

MODO will be fine.

>>54275981
It is that limit that makes it so fun and challenging.

>>54258944
What the fuck is that picture?
>Mono Green Aggro
You mean Stompy?
>Deep Hours Aggro
You mean Delver? Tempo deck, not aggro.
>Boros Metalcraft
Has several names and variations but that's not one of them. Midrange deck, not aggro.
>Aura Hexproof
You mean Bogles? Arguably combo rather than aggro.
>Elves
Also arguably combo rather than aggro.
>Kiln Fiend
You mean Izzet Blitz? Very much combo, not aggro.
>UB Delver
Midrange
>UR Delver
Tempo
>Mono Black Midrange
>Midrange
>Urzatron
There are currently two very different tier 1 control decks using Tron
>Dimir Control
There are currently two different tier 1-2 Dimir control decks
>Combo
Missing Midnight Gond and Tireless Tribe Combo which have both been Top 8 in recent tournaments.

Terrible picture. The deck names alone show that its creator doesn't play much Pauper.

>>54276271
At my store, both Pauper and Legacy gets played tuesdays. Slowly all Legacy players have been getting pauper decks as a backup to play when their events don't fire.

>>54267457
>card type existing EXCLUSIVELY at one rarity
Gee I wonder

>>54289684
It's MTGTop8, you mong. It does that for every format.

>>54289920
It's a shame really, imagine common walkers

>>54289684
>What the fuck is that picture?
MTGtop8 aka the site that both categorizes and names decks incorrectly.

>>54290437
Imagine not having walkers

Stompy vs Elves, who wins? Also what are advantages and disadvantages of one over the other and who can fare better in a competitive environment?

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>>54290745

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>>54290773
Stompy is better in the Meta, but Elves is excellent against it.
Elves is a deadly deck. But Shrivel, Electrickery and Holy Light makes short of it. Stompy dosen't have them, and if you live by turn 3 and have elves on the field you won.

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Brewing Grixis Uxhume.
Tips and Tricks?
I'm considering things like the New Serpent, Dragon Wings, Brainstorm , Thoughtscour and Mental Note. For Red Faithless Looting, Artifact Removal and Swirling Sandstorm, Cathartic Reunion.

>>54257059
> it is just that mongoose and nacatl cannot compete with delver of secrets.
>Wake up
>Remember cloud was banned instead of delver
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME.

>>54258944
>mtgtopcuck
everyfuckingtime.
>>>/tg/modern general
>>>/h/cuckoldry

>>54274354
but anon, it's fine to genocide a whole zone if that zone makes me feel baddy-bad!!!
YOU DON'T FUCKING DARE TOUCH PLANESWALKERS REEEEEE.

>>54291156
i want nazi Nissa to come back

>>54273871
Have a list?

>>54296081
Alchemist/Firebrand Archer+Tandem Lookout and a bunch of bolts, brainstorm+ponder and counterspells, you can also put in Delver because nobody is stopping you fro mdoing it

>>54296110
The combo wasn't good enough before the archer, how does having the archer suddenly make the deck viable?

>>54296126
I dont need to keep termo alive a turn mostly.

>>54288078
How did that list perform? I've been thinking of building something like that for quite some time

>>54287438
Absolutely hoversail. It can be got by trinket mage.

You were running trinket mage, right?