So like.. He lived, right? Nahiri fused him with rock from the

>>54243413
Yes, he's alive.
No, it doesn't matter, Innistrad is dead now. It'll be 15 years before they even think about going back.

Does it count as ditching when they didn't know he was in trouble in the first place? The only ones who interacted with him in the story were Jace and Tamiyo, and they were too busy trying and failing to kill Emrakul to follow up with him.

I'm not even sure if the Gatewatch knows Nahiri is still alive, let alone that she caused everything in the block and stuffed Sorin in that rock.

>>54243413
Only Jace knew about Sorin on Innistrad, and he didn't even really know anything about him. The only reason he sought him was to learn more about the Eldrazi. Since Emrakul contained herself and the other two were destroyed, there is no impetus for him to search for this dude he otherwise knows nothing about. It can be presumed they don't even know what happened to him. I don't know why you framed this question like they did something wrong. It doesn't even make sense that they would try to "save" him.

>>54243413
He's alive, just fused into stone in an agonizing fashion that doesn't kill him. It is painful enough to keep him from planeswalking out, though.

Every second of Sorin's existence until he escapes is filled with horrific pain. No one knows about where he is other than Olivia and Nahiri, with neither being all that interested in letting him go.

He's out of the picture until we go back to Innistrad or until they decide Sorin's popular enough for them to retcon that event.

where does nahiri's character go from here? she got her revenge, did she end up going back to zendikar?

>>54243827
Likely to torment Ugin next, when she finds he's alive.

>>54243827

That's what I want to know. Didn't she believe Zendikar was destroyed? I want to know how she feels about seeing her home slightly worst for wear after the Jacetice League nuked the Eldrazi there.

>>54243837

That bitch better not fuck up Tarkir! Well...more than it already is...

>>54243827
It hasn't been implied exactly what the plan for the future for her is. I seem to recall her doing a thing that made it sound like she planned to go after Ugin. It seems the most obvious thing would be to take her after Ugin during Return to Tarkir

Nahiri trapped him in a way reminiscent to Sorin trapping her in the Helvault. Jace and team probably think he just fucked off somewhere. Didnt he recommend to Liliana to just leave Innistrad rather than stay and fight?

>>54243837
>>54243855
>>54243878
>Return to Tarkir
>More time travel shenanagins inbound
Hope somehow the Jacestice League just monumentally fucks up the multiverse, leading to their disbandment.

Or I guess Nahiri and Ugin come to a truce, get Sorin, and the Three have an uneasy alliance to help combat Bolas.

>>54243954
Probably no time travel, the plot thread they've planted are remnants of the old clans that will probably rise up against the dragons

>>54243954
I think there's no saving Sorin and Nahiri's relationship at this point.

>>54243976
>The clans revolting against the dragons
Isnt that pretty fruitless though? As long as Ugin lives the dragons remain. Unless Nahiri is involved in her revenge plot against Ugin. Probably drag Bolas into it, though Sarkhan would be the X factor. Maybe thats what HoD was for? To set up another Ugin-Bolas fight?

Im all for a Return to Tarkir, but please keep the Gatewatch out of this.

>>54243954
Sorin and Nahiri both believe the other to be responsible for the destruction of everything that they hold dear. In Sorin's case, he's right but Nahiri was motivated by vengeance. In Nahiri's case, she's wrong but the only thing that kept her from being right was the intervention of the Jacetice League. Not only that but her instance, Sorin's actions against her were motivated only by his apathy regarding her and her world.

>tl;dr
They're both fucking monsters no matter how you look at it.

>>54244078

Exactly, I want to see her suffer but I know deep down Wizards won't pursue something like that and probably will become some "woe as me" character if not someone the jacetice league will have to deal with later. But then again arn't the jacetice league kill now?

>>54244071
The people of Tarkir don't know what causes dragons. But anyway the two were mostly at equilibrium during FRF. Right now it's leaning dragons. If the people picked up their third color and organized against them it could presumably just go back to equilibrium. It being fruitless never stopped the fighting before. The plot thread is pretty obvious. Some Dromoka heretics still maintain secret kin-trees, Ojutai still keep scrolls of the old ways sequestered away that Narset knows about, iirc Sidisi wants to overtake Silumgar, and there's a secret information network of Atarka soothsayers. I don't recall any hints for Kolaghan, but we know one of the things the Mardu had that gave them organization (white) were scripture called the Edicts of Illagra is out there somewhere.

>>54244107
I can't see how they'll turn the person that sent Emrakul to destroy a plane into a "woe is me" character. The series also needs a recurring white aligned antagonist.

Sorin will kill her eventually in the same manner he killed Avacyn. There's a good ending to a character arc in there somewhere.

>>54244122
>I don't recall any hints for Kolaghan
Well, I just remembered Zurgo doesn't really like being reduced to Kolaghan's bitch but I don't think that was meant to be a hint of a return to white more than pure irony

>>54244122
I suppose it would be interesting to see a Return to Tarkir that's more in line with the Khans timeline, seeing the tricolor clans reemerging in the wake of the dragon clans. Though this would require the set to take place years post-revolt. Guess it's a matter how Nahiri, Ugin, Sarkhan, and even Marset would play into this. I suppose first set is mid-revolt, second takes place after.

>>54244107
They're getting BTFO by Bolas, yeah

Because they had one or two miraculous victories against enemies who were mostly mindless, and figured it was time to put on their big boy boots and fight the elder dragon, despite everyone telling them that this is a really terrible idea

Surprise surprise, Bolas jacks their shit effortlessly and completely crushes them all so hard that the Gatewatch is gonna be disbanded for a while.

>>54243827
Probably to either find Ugin, or to wander the multiverse and find something to keep her mind off Zendikar. She believed that it was destroyed, so she likely wouldn't return there in order to avoid the pain of the memories. Assuming she's going through the stages of grief, she passed denial, took out her anger on Sorin, bargaining is arguably the Emrakul thing (if Zendikar had to suffer, Innistrad can too) but they kind of blend together, so she's probably in the depression stage right now.

>>54244078
>They're both fucking monsters no matter how you look at it.
They're Oldwalkers, it's par for the course.

Nahiri and Sorin should just hatefuck it out.

>>54244179

>sorin will warp her into a new Avacynn
>srsly, his first planeswalker ultimate ability was mindslaver

>>54244833
>>54246346
I would like to combine these two options, thank you.

>>54244078
Except Sorin didn't hear the calle because he was weakened so his involmement in what happened to Zendikar isn't as direct as Ms Genocide.

He's a monster for other reasons but he isn't guilty of what happened to Zendicar. Nahiri is a monster 100% guilty for what happened to Innistrad, and I'm not talking about an "upps I fucked up", no, she did everything on purpose.

>>54244179
Taking into account what part of the community and even some devs think, I believe the woe is me is a pretty possible situation.

>>54246411
Sorin failed to consider any emergency call from Zendikar because he stopped caring about it, plus the Helvault and Avacyn seemed to block any attempt at interplanar communication.

When he found it failed, he didn't care whatsoever. He was entirely apathetic regarding Nahiri's plight, when something as simple as saying "sorry" and helping her out could have not triggered a violent reaction.

He's indirectly responsible through his idiocy in that entire encounter with Nahiri, that led to her imprisonment.

> tfw Sorrin will never pet your head and tell you that you did passibly for young blood, but he'll take it from here
> Sorrin will never begrudgingly let you give him a hug.
Sorrin was the best dad in fiction, prove me wrong.

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>>54243827
Nahiri is going to destroy...

- Tarkir because of Ugin having the gall to be dead/out of the picture (also Sarkhan was involved in the Jace/Chandra thing below)

- Vrynn and Kaladesh because Jace and Chandra are the ones who did the legwork of weakening the seal on the Eldrazi.

- Dominaria, because Nicol Bolas was also involved in the Jace/Chandra thing (and also because Liliana knows the two)

- Theros, because Gideon knows the two

- Ravnica, because it's the Jacetice League's base of operations

- Alara, because she learns that the Jacetice League and Tezzeret have a history and so assumes he was involved somehow.

Nahiri is actually the single greatest threat to the Multiverse right now, possibly excepting Nicol Bolas.

>>54246741
No. It doesn't WORK like that. Missing a call because you were accidentally in a no-service area while setting up protection for your house is NOT an excuse to leap straight into combat with intent to greviously harm or kill.

While Sorin was generally an apathetic asshole, he actually kept trying to de-escalate the situation as best he could given who he is, while Nahiri instead was the one who went from "Sorin is my teacher and friend" to "I'm going to kill thus fucker" inside of maybe 5 minutes max.

THEN she's the one who decided that because of the whole situation she was going to involve an entire plane of existence and the millions, maybe billions, of innocent people on it in her little grudge match.

Sorin's just an asshole, but at lest he's not an existential threat to the existence of the planes. Indeed, prior to Innistrad 2: Electric Boogaloo, every time we met him he was doing something that was intended to SAVE the Multiverse in one form or another.

Nahiri is just insane, pointless rage.

Their "revenge" cards in Magic even reflect this: Sorin's is direct, calculated, and and to the point. Nahiri's is all about throwing away your mind in order to hurt everything around her.

>>54244337
>Gatewatch is gonna be disbanded for a while.
>for a while.
This is why I rarely deal with the newer sets. Every once and a while I find a card I like, and then I get reminded that I'm now playing Marvel wearing Magic like Buffalo Bill. The only reason I haven't completely given up yet, is because of muh dinosaur tribal later in the year

>>54243712
Innistrad doesn't have enough sassy colored women and inexplicable black people, it will never get revisited.

>>54244078
>In Nahiri's case, she's wrong but the only thing that kept her from being right was the intervention of the Jacetice League.

Not really dude.

Sorin did actually go to Zendikar with the intention of fulfilling his oath. He only missed the alarm the first time by total mistake, and we know from the events of the OG Zendikar block that he fixed that problem as soon as able. Oaths are promises are actually pretty important to Sorin, he didn't just ignore Zendikar, he went there with the intention of keeping stuff under control.

If it weren't for the Jacetice League, NISSA would have been responsible for destroying Zendikar.

>>54246741
Both of them are as responsible as each other. Sorin's an asshole who doesn't give a fuck about anything outside his immediate sphere of influence, as soon as he has the excuse to not care, he won't. Hence his "don't try my patience" or "I am obligated to do nothing and I owe you nothing" or "go pester Ugin and leave me alone" right after the Eldrazi almost broke out. Nahiri is eye-for-an-eye, so like any Oldwalker, and just like Sorin, she'll do whatever she feels is necessary to get even (read: drop the Eldrazi on Innistrad, poetic justice).

Ugin's the only one of the three with a ghost of an excuse, and that's because he was dead at the time. And even then he's a lying sack of shit because he insisted "oh no we can't kill the Eldrazi, that would be bad for reasons I am not going to explain" so he could have his little science project.

>>54247766
Unless a huge asspull happens, most of that is impossible
She doesn't know where jace,chandra, and gideondominaria or that ravnica even exist
She would most likely get her shit fucked before she could do anything of note on dominaria
She doesn't know about tezzeret or alara
The only place she would have actual reasons to attack is tarkir

>>54247879
>Sorin did actually go to Zendikar with the intention of fulfilling his oath.
Thing is, we know he feels guilty about dumping Nahiri in the Helvault for a thousand years of demon rape, so it raises the question of whether he'd have bothered if he HADN'T put her there, or if he'd known Ugin was still around. If he knew somebody else would be there to deal with it, would he have cared since Innistrad now had its Avacyn protector and its Helvault?

It's an interesting question for Sorin's character and what was actually motivating his actions to visit Zendikar again. Personally I don't think he'd have bothered, myself - he went to find Ugin because with the seal broken and Nahiri where she was, Ugin was his last option.

>>54246741
>When he found it failed, he didn't care whatsoever.

Actually, if you look at that story, he definitely did care. His internal dialogue makes that pretty blatant.

He talked down to Nahiri purely out of pride. He gave a shit but the idea that this young whatever was telling him what he should do right now was utterly galling to him.

That story was supposed to get across that neither planeswalker was in a good state to be working with others at the time but neither was able to back down and accept a compromise. Nahiri could have just accepted that the Eldrazi did not get out and shit was a mistake, and Sorin was to depleted to do anything meaningful at the time. Sorin could have just popped over and had a look, then returned to Innistrad immediately, like within a day. Both were in no state of mind to compromise, though, so shit spiraled utterly out of control.

That said, >>54247890
is incorrect when he says both are as responsible as each other. Sorin literally made a mistake that didn't even release the Eldrazi, then after fixing that mistake continued to keep his word and return to Zendikar periodically. It was the interference of outside forces - Ugin, Jace, Chandra, Nissa - that actually released the Eldrazi. Nahiri on the other hand knowingly and maliciously unleashed Emrakul on Innistrad.

>>54247879
Sorin's indirect responsibility comes from the fact that he imprisoned the sole guardian of Zendikar and made her incapable of guarding the prison of the Eldrazi. He did this because she lashed out at him, yes. Yet she only lashed out at him due to the fact that he dismissed the importance of Zendikar and her both as the jail and jailer of the Eldrazi, simply because he was tired at the time.

The initial culprit of that escalating series of events was Sorin. If he stopped trying to out-do Nahiri at any stage and took the chance to be the better person, then Zendikar would have still had a lithomancer to guard it and keep the prison of the Eldrazi intact. Through knowingly preventing Nahiri from guarding Zendikar by shoving her in the Helvault, Sorin is indirectly responsible for the release of the Eldrazi.

Now, Nahiri is the worse person for being directly responsible for all the damage that Emrakul did to Innistrad but her justification for it (Sorin locked me away and as far as I can tell, he allowed my world to fall apart in my absence) is the tiniest bit more understandable and relatable to Sorin's justification for actions that indirectly led to the release of the Eldrazi (Nahiri is daring to challenge my authority and pride, I need to put this upstart in her place).

As a final comment, both of them are arrogant and psychotic monsters, perhaps as a result of being oldwalkers and I do acknowledge that Nahiri is likely the worst of the two of them at this point. But Sorin is indirectly responsible for the Rise of the Eldrazi.

>>54247977
>periodically
When was that ever said? Unless it's somewhere in the god-awful Zendikar novel.

>>54248199
All it would've taken was Nahiri taking a stroll over to Zendikar to actually see if that her assumption was true. She could still have her fight with Sorin, but she could've spared Innistrad the threat of the Eldrazi.

>>54244337
>Gatewatch is gonna be disbanded for a while
So Maro's autistic rant about how "Jacetice League" is offensive to him and the story team and that the Gatewatch would be involved in every block hereafter was all for nothing? They've given up on the idea already?

>>54248283
She did take a stroll over to Zendikar and as far as she could observe, her assumption was true.

After leaving the Helvault, her first action was to rush over to Zendikar to see what state it was in. What she found was that the Eldrazi were entirely free of their prison and rapidly deconstructing the entire plane.

As far as she was aware (thanks to misinformation from Ugin), there was no feasible way of killing the Eldrazi. Not only that but imprisoning them again would have likely taken the reconstruction of the hedron network and the aid of Ugin and Sorin once more, something that was impossible in her eyes as well. Then there was the fact that she was severely depowered by the Mending.

All of this made her feel like there was nothing she could do to save Zendikar, so she turned her attention to making Sorin suffer the same fate she had, since she held him responsible for keeping her from protecting Zendikar. The only thing she cared about was doomed to be eaten by the Eldrazi, after all.

She made a whole pile of assumptions and stupid decisions but they were based on her observation of Ulamog chewing up Zendikar.

>>54247977
>Sorin could have just popped over and had a look, then returned to Innistrad immediately, like within a day.

This is what always annoyed me most about that whole thing. More even than Nahiri having a short temper, at least that's understandable. Sorin's depleted, but even a depleted Oldwalker is still a fucking Oldwalker that could shit all over most things "currently" around save Nicol Bolas or possibly Ugin. He's still perfectly capable of planeswalking, and he actually does that when he senses Nahiri has arrived, pops into the Blind Eternities around to where she landed, then pops back out.

Weakened or not, a half an hour trip, even a fucking ten minute jaunt takes very little of an Oldwalker's time. He was still plenty strong enough to planeswalk around and fight her for a while, so he had no good reason to not go except "I don't want to", which was bound to trigger Nahiri's red-oriented short temper. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless he's deliberately not giving a fuck, which casts his entire motivations for going back to Zendikar into doubt and weirdness.

And then when Nahiri gets out, the focus is on "Innistrad will suffer because Zendikar suffered" and not "I want revenge on Sorin for letting me be raped by demons in a murdervault for a thousand years", which seems far more compelling and which he is absolutely guilty of, no questions asked.

The SOI/EM sets were a grand old Oldwalker pissing match, on the other hand, so I can't fault them for that.

>>54248396
No, I think they just figured out that putting all 5-6 of them in every block wasn't working because it means you can't meaningfully focus on them.

Compare Jace wandering around Innistrad to all five of them on Amonkhet, there's not enough room for the story to breathe, the PWs take up too much space (and they don't get enough of their own anyway) and also rob too much of the interesting stuff on the plane. Having 2-3 at most leaves them free to give more focus to the individuals, which seems to generally result in the writers producing better work.

>>54248399
>He was still plenty strong enough to planeswalk around and fight her for a while, so he had no good reason to not go except "I don't want to", which was bound to trigger Nahiri's red-oriented short temper. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless he's deliberately not giving a fuck

Character assassination.

Sorin was originally designed to be pretty much Elric for the neowalkers. Dark sorcerer with an albino appearance, wields a vampiric sword, from a myopic society of long-lived bon vivants whose excesses mostly just tire him now, mostly 'above' standard morality and out for himself but with a very stringent personal code and a willingness to do almost anything to preserve the overall balance of the multiverse.

But they wanted drama for SOI and the only way they could think of to do that without making Nahiri 100% wrong was to retcon everything and change Sorin into someone else.

>>54248397

Dont forget, she found the Eye if Ugin destroyed.

The failsafe for her world that only three people knew about.

Ugins dead, she was imprisoned. In the state she was in, its understandable that she concluded that Sorin destroyed the eye for some reason, dooming her world.

Which isnt entirely false. Nissa pulled the trigger on the Eye, but only because Sorin was being an untrustworthy cryptic shit who refused to explain what his actual plan was, and the only thing she knew about the Eye was that it had power over the Eldrazi. She thought she was keeping a doomsday weapon out of the hands of an evil vampire.

Just like with Nahiri, Sorin could have avoided an apocalypse by simply not being an aloof prick for five fucking minutes.

>>54243413
After an extended period of time wouldn't the places on his body being constantly hurt by the stone go numb so he no longer feels the pain and can planeswalk out?

>>54247766
Didnt Nissa outright destroy the last seals that kept the Eldrazi at bay? Wouldnt that mean Nahiri would have to destroy Zenikar? Or at the very least kill or monumentally fuck up Nissa?

>>54249716
Nahiri and the Gatewatch don't even know each other exist, and Sorin would be the only person who could tell Nahiri what Nissa did, and I don't think that conversation is going to happen any time soon.

>>54249675
>but only because Sorin was being an untrustworthy cryptic shit who refused to explain what his actual plan was
And chokeslamming people into walls for shits and giggles. Don't forget that part. If that's how he deals with all his problems, it's no wonder the Innistrad vamps hate his ass and it goes to shit so often there.

>>54247890
>Two of the three miss the call
>Nahiri goes to Sorin
>muh Avacyn, seals Nahiri
>Sorin goes to Ugin
>dont bother me unless you got Nahiri
>Sorin and Ugin eventually goes to Zendikar
>When shit hits the fan they say fuck it and leave

They all assholes. They need to at least drop a hint as to how and why destroying the titans was a bad idea. Obviously the Eldrazi will return but give us somethimg to look forward to.

>>54248485
Also just having the same walkers over and over again just gets boring, bloating the game with different versions of the same characters. Not only does it prevent focus on these same characters, but the new walkers introduced in each set lose the spotlight. I dont even know the sames for the new walkers in SoI, or EM (if there were any at all).

>>54249843

Oh god. We know that the Eldrazi are drawn to crazy mana shit going down and they eat it. That was the bait for the hedron trap.

I wonder if the Mending still out have happened if the Eldrazi had not been trapped. What if their criteria for eating worlds was worlds that had become unstable? Like maggots eating dead flesh and cleaning a wound before the infection kills the host.

>>54247870
I can't tell if this poster is a triggered /pol/tard or if he's just imitating one. It sounds like he's just imitating one.

>>54243413
Is Sorin a strong enough planeswalker to telepathically tell someone to release him? Like Ugin did to Sarkhan. Or is that a special type of magic only Ugin can use? Can strong beings on plane like Sigarda sense his presence while he's stuck?

Something on Innistrad is going to go to shit and he'll end up getting released. Olivia will probably send Thalia to do it.

>>54250024
Mending 2.0 incoming lads, you heard it here first.

>>54247870
Well maybe they shouldn't have pushed colorless so hard then

>>54250053
Trying to initiate the usual thread derail that's been going on with magic for the last few months. Devolving into a hate filled circle jerk instead of the thread's topic.

>>54250181
Thalia is good at unsealing big rocks. And Sorin definitely could. He was an oldwalker too

>>54244337
>Bolas a bigger threat than eldrazi
This will always be bullshit

>>54250181
He's supposed to be one of the three stronkest planeswalkers with cards, alongside Ugin and Bolas (though obviously he and Ugin are way below Bolas). He's got like ten thousand years on everyone else.

He does do mind control shit but WotC has Sorin routinely forget his own abilities.

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>>54243413
Fuck Nahiri

>>54250516

>one is part of the natural cycle that eats planes
>the other is a megalomaniac that at the peak of his power could casually break planes by just being there, could create and remake new ones at will, and probably killed the original creator of phyrexia

>>54250548
i finally figured out why tamiyo looks so fucking weird in this picture. it's because she's on the ground using her legs.

>>54250589
All oldwalker were that powerful. And oldwalkers couldn't beat eldrazi.

>>54250692
Bolas was far more powerful than "all oldwalkers". Urza or Teferi, for example, didn't break planes just by entering them.

>>54250757
Because they didnt want to vecause they werent dick dragons?

>>54250824
It wasn't a deliberate thing that Bolas did. They broke when he entered anywhere besides at specific leyline confluences because he was simply too powerful for them to handle his presence. A side effect of him being him.

>>54250464
>tfw Thalia will never handle your big rock

>>54250692
Read the lore again. The Oldwalkers actually COULD beat the Eldrazi, it's just that Ugin didn't want to; he was afraid that the Eldrazi served a greater purpose, and that it would be unwise to kill them when they could just be sealed away if they were necessary in the future.

This theory seems to be true, based on what we know when Jace mind-melded with Emrakul. Of course, whether it was just Emrakul who had a purpose, or all of the Eldrazi Titans, we'll never know.

>>54249675
>She thought she was keeping a doomsday weapon out of the hands of an evil vampire.
Originally it was explained that the plan was to keep the Eldrazi on Zendikar. Sorin was a dick, but Nissa didn't break the Eye because of Sorin, but because she hoped the Eldrazi would get the hell off Zendikar, not eat her homeworld, and stop fueling the roil.

>>54250920
Nope.

Before Ugin showed up and did his "wait we can't kill them" speech, Sorin and Nahiri were both trying to destroy one of the Eldrazi, and they had no reason to hold back at that point. TWO oldwalkers together couldn't kill Ulamog.

>>54250920
We have canonical evidence that together, Nahiri and Sorin didn't stand a chance against Ulamog alone and were beaten off of a plane by it.

>>54251481
>>54251488
Which is complete bullshit that the Jacetice League was able to fell two titans. Maybe the Eldrazi was also affected by the Mending?

>>54251481
>>54251488
And they had succeeded at 'killing' Ulamog before. But he reformed, because they didn't yet know that the true bodies of the Eldrazi Titans were in the Blind Eternities.
By the time they knew how to actually kill the Eldrazi Titans, they had already been hoodwinked into Ugin's plan to keep them alive.

>>54251602
To be fair, they did have basically all the mana on Zendikar at their fingertips to deal with them. If they had fought Ulamog and Kozilek on any other plane, they would have lost.

>>54251481
>>54251488
>>54251602

Sorin and Nahiri failed because they were fighting Ulamog like it was just some big creature, with no actual idea how the Eldrazi work.

The Gatewatch only beat two titans fully utilizing Ugins research and a present hedron network, plus another few one time only miracles.

Without Ugins Eldrazi research, Nahiri and Sorin simply lacked the tools to ever fight more than a finger of Ulamog, their attacks never reaching anything important or saving the plane.

>>54251602
The Jacetice League exploiting Ugin's knowledge, an entire plane's worth of mana and a previously established infrastructure made by Nahiri.

The death of Kozilek and Ulamog was the culmination of a whole bunch of deus ex machina.

>>54251952

Dont forget a late game save by Thrassa's bident, letting the Roil overflow into the oceans of other worlds. Without it, Zendikar would have exploded.

>>54244179
If Sorin doesn't kill her I'm going to be pissed.

>>54250053
Kys

>>54250053
The funny thing is, the complaint doesn't even make sense.

We've already revisited Innistrad. Is that guy just too young to remember that there was another Innistrad set before SOI?

Hell, we're about to go back to Dominaria.

>>54250053
MtG "lore" is pure shit

You are literally a fucking retard, a worthless mental defective, if you spend any time thinking about the lore besides hating it.

It's the most derivative meaningless anti-art garbage. They are expressing nothing. It means NOTHING. It has no connection to the real world and it's made for people who are disconnected from reality in order to keep them that way.

It's entire point is 'OMFG LOOK HOW FUCKIN TOTALLY AWESOME THIS IS OMFG', which only appeals to infantilized retards with serious development issues.

Before (((Hasbro)))'s takeover, they actually made an effort to give the game the tiniest bit of substance in art direction. Since then it's just this acid trip conglomerate of every fantasy trope.

TL;DR
You're all totally fucking retarded. Kill yourselves.

>>54255004
I wish I could get this mad over something this inconsequential. Hell of a talent you've got there.

>>54253447
If Sorin does kill her then I'm going to be pissed.

>>54255037
It's copypasta.

>>54255121
Who should do it then? The Gatewatch who have no idea that she's even alive?

>>54255143
I'd prefer she lived, and killed Sorin. I don't really appreciate the direction the plot tends to go. Fuck all of these characters.

>>54255180
If she was going to kill Sorin he would be dead right now, not just stuck in a rock. There's no reason for the writers to keep him alive only to have her actually kill him later.

>>54247870
>Innistrad doesn't have enough sassy colored women and inexplicable black people, yet
Ftfy
We'll probably see a revisit in a few years with significantly more diversity.

>>54255215
If they didn't do this a year and a half ago why would they do it in a few years? seems like an irrational concern.

>>54255208
Eh, I understand that but killing her off seems like the laziest writing they could do.

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>>54255266
Well, look at this image.

There's three ways of looking at it.
>This image shows a bunch of vampires preparing to kick ass. Who fucking cares what race they are, holy shit, what sort of freak would obsess over that nonsense?
>This image shows a disgusting alien-looking nigger shoved into a Eurocentric setting for no apparent reason, in an attempt by WotC to pander to an audience that doesn't play the game.
>This image shows a vampire that is a black woman dressed in a similar fashion to the vampire that is a white woman in the image, showing successful integration into the society of Innistrad without looking out of place.

Which one would you say is the most accurate?

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>>54255266
Also, there's this guy.

Choose one of the following:
>This character's race doesn't factor into how I view the art of this card.
>I think that the art of this card is improved by the race of the character that is depicted.
>I think that the art of this card is worsened by the race of the character that is depicted.

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>>54255352
>>54255392
Uh, 1 and 1?

I don't think option 3 for the first image is correct because I don't think they ever delved into any sort of back story regarding the racial tensions between vampires on Innistrad. But one black vampire being present among a large group of them isn't that out of the question, or isn't even really that weird.

<Fantasy character of a certain skin tone> being placed on <plane loosely based off of a real world place where people of that skin tone are rare> doesn't really bother me, and I can't see why it would bother anyone else. Regardless of whether Innistrad is "Eurocentric", Kaladesh is "India-centric", Tarkir is "North Asia-centric", they all have people of all colors on them and no one really cares. That's the assumption most people have.

Like does Koth make you upset? Or is it purely "blacks on my Innistrad"? Because unless they explicitly stated that "there are no non-whites on Innistrad", I really don't understand why you would think that would be the case and be shocked to find that it's not.

>>54255352
>being this sheltered that a single black person in the picture on your playing cardboard is this upsetting
What card is that art from? It's real nice.

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>>54256177
Honestly, I've got no opinion on it. I've just seen other people that were utterly disgusted by the same art because muh SJWs, muh cultural marxism, muh Day of the Rope.

>>54255352
>>54256203
I don't like this art because the one black vampire is dressed entirely in white, which really makes her catch the eye (especially with the dark sky and foreground). Sorin is supposed to be the focus of the scene, not some un-named, minor, BS character. It really ruins the piece.

That said, I'm certain that it's just an oversight. Completely accidental. What possible reason would WotC or the artist have to make the one black vampire stand out more?

>>54255180
Why would you want Nahiri to live?

She's like the worst character around. Or almost worst, after Nissa and Chandra.

>>54255352
>>54255392
Option one is most accurate in both cases.

I don't give a fuck about what race these characters are. I also find it hilarious that you think a setting like Innistrad is 'Eurocentric' and use this as an excuse to whine about black people.

Innistrad isn't fucking real. It's not Europe and there's no reason to have it be racially exactly like Europe in whatever time period you jerk off to. You don't seem to know what the word Eurocentric even means.

>>54257151
Sorin is still the focus IMO.

Blackpire has white armor because contrast is aesthetically pleasing. The real MVP of that image is the guy just below Sorin with that absolutely fucking bitching armor set, holy fuck, I want to know what his story is, he looks like an absolute beast.

The sword and armor design for the redhead is pretty neat too. I wish a bigger version of this image existed.

>>54244179
Ha, no! Creative thinks she's a victim of circumstances and want to redeem her.
Ironically MaRo counts her among the white-aligned villains so for the first time ever the bad desicions aren't coming from jewish tricks but from waifufags.

>>54257697
They should have shifted the positions of the blackpire and the ginger, so that blackpire was not in direct light and therefore less eye-catching.

>>54257727
The bad decisions are coming from the marketers. All the bad decisions.

>>54244217
Narset knows and Ojutai is uneasy about her knowing.
Zurgo and Surrak are too proud to continue accepting the abuse
Anafenza and Sidisi both know what Tarkir once was and are capable of plotting/leading others in a rebellion
And Ugin is awake and may not approve of what his kids have done to the ecosystem that may or may not been one of his experiments.

>>54243413

What the fuck is going on with stone-bitche's face there?

>>54257781
Literal insanity.

>>54250053
>everything I don't like is /pol/
Nigger shut up. Everyone who experienced both Innistrad blocks can easily notice the near entire removal of bodice rippers (in the gothic horror plane, no less), the villification of organized religion, the increase in minorities (who happen to turn into monsters and kill the natives), one giant chalky cunt ruining life for everyone because a guy refused to do her job fot her to the wail of yaaas queen slay by creatirve, and in the end a rich white girl who knows no bounds to her hedonism rules the world.

If anything SOI block was /pol/ as hell because introducing cultural marxism ruined the plane for everyone involved.

>>54251481
>>54251488
Because it kept respawning not because they couldn't erase all his existance from the plane before he showed up again.
And Ugin knew all along that it was just a matter of forcing them to enter the plane in their entirety, something he didn't mention because he knew Sorin alone could destroy all three titans if he knew how.

Ugin ruined Tarkir, Zendikar and Innistrad because he wanted to keep his virulent pets alive.

>>54257697
>Sorin is still the focus IMO.
he's supposed to be, but this bright-ass motherfucker in all white is standing right next to him
you'd be lying if you said you opened the image and the first thing your eye went to was anything but the huge bright thing on the page

it'd be obnoxious whether the character's skin was light or dark, but the fact that the chief attention-drawing character in the image is some random black chick is just that extra push people need.
it's either bad design or agenda pushing, and while i'm personally leaning towards the artist being a hack, i can see why people would think it's the latter.

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>People actually think Nahiri can pose a threat to the Jacetice League
>When Ajani is on their side
>And he's one block away from busting out one of the strongest Planeswalkers that isn't a fucking Elder Dragon
I hope they bring back Best white girl to kick the bitch's teeth in.

>>54258725
Nahiri isn't even that powerful in action despite how much they hyped her.
Yes Avacyn was threatening to everyone in Innistrad including Jace and Tamiyo, but Sorin broke her immediately and Liliana probably could do so too. Emrakul followed her bait but was never under her control, and Sorin actually beat her easily, she only ended up winning because of plot armor making Sorin become momentarily retarded and the only person to find him trapped being Olivia.

Liliana or either Gideon or Chandra pumped by Ajani could defeat Nahiri.

>>54243413
>So like.. He lived, right?
Of COURSE he lived. There's no Avacyn, and now Olivia is the top dog of the vampires: it's the plot of Innistrad 1 all over again.

We are gettin a third Innistrad, and it's most likely gonna be "Sorin's redemption, the set."
Unless it's instead "Nahiri's redemption, the set," where she's not insane anymore and she decides to repent for fucking up Innistrad for no reason. I would kill to see Nahiri and Sorin finally bury the hatchet, and I hope it happens in Innistrad 3

>>54259140
Nahiri and eldrazi need to keep their filthy hands as far away from Innistrad 3 as possible.

>>54259193
No Eldrazi here. This would Just WU Nahiri, who's realized that she overreacted to no reason, goes to Innistrad to free Sorin, and fixes the mess Olivia's made of the place while she's there.

>>54247891
Ravnica is apparently something of a planar hub. It wouldn't be hard for Nahiri to find it and learn about Jace.

Dominaria is the literal center of the Multiverse. She DEFINITELY could find it, and learn about Liliana, and then from there learn about the rest.

From Sarkhan she could learn about the Jace/Chandra fight pretty easily. She also definitely could learn about Nicol Bolas and how he was involved in weakening of the Eldrazi seal, and then from Nicol Bolas learn about Jace and Chandra.

The point is that Nahiri is a fucking rabid dog that needs to be put down. She's seriously starting to give Urza "I too once destroyed a plane as part of a revenge scheme" Planeswalker a run for his money.

>>54258929
The only reason Sorin was able to kill Avacyn so easily was because he created her and literally had an "off" switch built into her that only he could activate.

>>54258709
>you'd be lying if you said you opened the image and the first thing your eye went to was anything but the huge bright thing on the page

My eye went to Sorin. Probably because I instantly recognize his colour combination, but he actually stands out more than you think.

>>54246346
Sorin would have 2 shot nahiri if he had played around her mana tithe

>>54259865
Did she seriously do that?

>>54248396
I dunno, but I'm enjoying it. This is what I always wanted. I never minded the Jacetice League that much, I was just annoyed at how they were all being portrayed as insufferably smug and infallible snowflakes who could never lose.

Bolas breaking them over his knee like a week old french loaf is the perfect showing of them being willing to hurt the characters and show them losing.

Narratively, it's a vast improvement over killing Eldrazi with the power of friendship.

>>54259634
Your eye went to sorin because you looked at this >>54255352, where you have a high res image and you can distinguish between the detail.
When you actually look at the card >>54256203, all the dark colors blend together and it's hard to distinguish between all the darkly dressed characters. But the vamp in white stands out like a sore thumb.

>>54259879
His necromagic just kind of bounced back. When she taunted him about it she told him it was her lithomancy that prevented his spells from reaching her. Lithomancy is white magic and she was using it to counter spells. Sorins convictions didnt falter in the fight so I doubt it was lapse of certainty.

>>54247766
>it doesn't work like that
It kinda does. When the Eldrazi broke out the first time, Nahiri planeswalked to Innistrad to ask Skein for help. He was too busy at the time setting up Avacyn and the Helvault and told her to fuck off.

When she got angry and tried to kill him, Sorin's pet angel grabbed her and stuffed her in the Helvault. When Lili broke the fucking thing, she left and saw Ulamog and Kozilek kicking down the door at the Sea Gate. She (logically) assumed the plane was fucked. The only two planeswalkers she knew of that could help her were either dead/mia so hard she couldn't even begin looking (Ugin) or blatantly antagonistic/unwilling to help (Sorin) after they PROMISED that if the Eldrazi got out, they'd drop what they're doing and help.

Sorin Shitkov got what he deserved, it's just sad that Innistrad had to get it by association.

>>54260709
You really glossed over that early part there, anon. I wonder why?

Sorin didn't know that the titans had broken free, because working on the Hellvault mixed up the signals. Nahiri then tries to fucking kill the man out of nowhere because she though it made her seem LESS childish. Sorin (logically) thought that she was completely sincere in her desire to kill him, so he locks her up, because he didn't want to kill his old friend.

Dis Sorin deserve it? Maybe.
Did Avacyn and Bruna and Gisella and Odric and Innistrad and everyone else who suffered deserve it? Fuck no.

>>54260948
A PW duel to establish a point is standard practice when disagreeing. Sorin didn't want to fight because he didn't have his comp deck on him, he was still building his Avacyn deck and had only that to use against Nahiri's deck.

>>54261036
Nah, they did have a PW duel. It's just that they decided to play with Ante, and Nahiri didn't know that Sorin was running Hellvault secret tech.

>>54257661
>Innistrad isn't fucking real. It's not Europe and there's no reason to have it be racially exactly like Europe in whatever time period you jerk off to.

What a lazy excuse for ham-fisted diversity adding.

>>54261129
Is there a non-zero number of black people they could insert randomly as background characters that you wouldn't complain about? Or is any skin tone darker than a nice tan at any point on your playing card enough to set you off?

Gotta be a sad way to live.

>>54260948
Given how wonderful Innistrad's moon turned out to be for holding Emmy, you have to wonder why Sorin didn't mention its properties to Nahiri and Ugin at any point. He obviously knew about them, to use a chunk of it for the Helvault.

>>54262658
Because NIMBY.

>>54262658
IIRC, the jacetice league were only able to bind Emrakul in the moon because they had Tamiyo's help. Unsurprisingly, the moonfolk know a lot about the moon.

>>54262885
Also because Emrakul straight up let them, right?

>>54262506
It's more that they really ramped up the number of nonwhite people in Shadows Over Innistrad compared to original Innistrad block. Original Innistrad was basically set on the plane's Europe and was redolent of Gothic horror, making it have a very white population with some of the cards that were not be things like foreigners or outsiders on the fringes. Shadows decided that there needed to be a very strong mix, which was just jarring when compared to the original. Then you take a plane like Kaladesh, which is obviously inspired by India. It makes sense for it to be filled mostly with people who look Indian, right? And so it does. Amonkhet has mostly Egyptian or Nubian looking people in it, and so on. Having a distinct blend of races in a plane helps people differentiate it and establishes its identity in a way that people can connect and relate it to the real world. It isn't so much about being mad at there being black people, it's more about being frustrated at WoTC making planes into America-lite in terms of population.

>>54262885
They didn't have Sorin or Nahiri or Ugin helping them on Innistrad. Remember, they only bound and killed two of the Eldrazi by hijacking what Nahiri had already built on Zendikar.

I'm more referring to the "what if" of Ugin being able to factor Innistrad's moon into his Eldrazi trap plans. Perhaps Sorin didn't mention it because he thought "fuck off you can't have my plane as the cage even if it's perfect for it, use somebody else's", but Emrakul was sealed with Tamiyo's help and Emrakul letting it happen. With Ugin, Nahiri and Sorin working together, would Tamiyo or Emrakul have been necessary?

>>54263062
And what I'm saying is "what if Ugin and/or Sorin DIDN'T know strange weeaboo kamigawa moon-magic?"

Don't blame on malice what can otherwise be blamed on stupidity, especially with Sorin and Ugin and Nahiri; those three were fucking awful at coordinating with eachother.

>>54263445
But it's pretty obvious that Sorin did understand 'strange kamigawa weeaboo moonmagic' because he MADE the Helvault, a supermax prison for very powerful demons, which is a shard of Innistrad's moon.

>>54263508
No, he made the Hellvault based on Nahiri's lithomancy, which he himself called a poor imitation of her work. Sorin didn't exploit the full potential of Innistrad's moon, and he could probably have made a much better Hellvault if he had been a Soratami.

>>54263445
Would they need weeaboo powers? Emrakul rewrote Tammy's scroll anyway, she was just a vehicle.

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>>54255215
>revisit in a few years with significantly more diversity.

So you mean the last set, in original Innistrad there were 3 cards with black people, meanwhile SOI and EMN had tons of cards with black people, interesting enough 90% of all the black people were werewolves, I wonder what Wizards meant by that.

>>54244179

Nah let Sorin rot in a rock forever and let Nahiri wander the multiverse depressed and alone forever. Have it be a story about pursuing vengeance being bad for everyone involved etc.

Besides its not like Emrakul fucking up innistrad was a great loss. The plane was a shithole to begin with

>>54263880

>No planeswalker of colour attempting to save other plainswalkers of colour

Oh ffs please dont let this race baiting sjw bullshit infest my tcg

Magic should be like warcraft humans. They all live in a forest, some are black some are white and some are chinese; for no reason, and its not important and individuals dont care about race

>>54255004
>You're all totally fucking retarded. Kill yourselves.
But anon...I'm already dead.

>>54259865
Technically he did.

When it turned out Nahiri had pretptimed the entire arena to redirect his magic back at him, he just went "fine, whatever" and beat the fuck out of her with his hands. Even without using any actual vampiric magic he absolutely rekt her in the straight up fight.

Nahiri only escaped with her life because, rather than just stabbing her while she was incapacitated, Sorin decided to be a classic vampire and leaned in close to bite her. I imagine this will be paralleled when Sorin gets out of his prison and goes after her.

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>>54264450
The worse part is that WotC are the ones pushing for this shit, they hired her in the first place, they make a big deal over any POC or gay walker. Hell they made a big deal over fucking Autism.

>>54267072
What do you expect from a company based in Seattle?

>>54243954
>Hope somehow the Jacestice League just monumentally fucks up the multiverse

> it gets so bad there's another apocalypse and mending
> planeswalkers revert back to oldwalker status
> bolas is faced with the fact that these idiots accomplished what he could not
> magic moves on from this terrible Era

I'm for it.

>>54264388
What about a happy ending? What about Nahiri and Sorin realizing how awful they've been, and actually burying the hatchet like normal people; have it be a strory about forgiveness being good for everyone involved.

>>54268092
Nahiri and Sorin aren't normal people, they're omnipotent gods that lost that power.

>>54268107
And wouldn't it be really nice for them to realize that they it's time to get with the program? That they can't act like gods anymore and they have to start acting like people?

Nicol Bolas could be a nice foil to Nahiri in this process, also. Think about it.
>Nahiri wanders the multiverse
>she still thinks Zendikar is fucked up
>she ends up running into Bolas
>his message of oldwalkers sticking together to get their power back wins her over
>she basically takes the same role Sarkhan an Tezzeret took in previous stories
>eventually she meets (part of) the Jacetice league
>she learns that the gatewatch was able to, by working together, kill or defeat all the Eldrazi titans
>this event shocks her to her core
>these fucking neo-walkers were able to do more than three very powerful oldwalkers
>all because they put their egos aside and actually cooperated like human beings
>Nahiri goes back to Zendikar, sees that it's flourishing and rebuilding
>The emotions get the better of her; she realizes that she's been an asshole
>She tries to make things better, starting with Sorin and Innistrad

>>54250641
Huh. Chinamen probably love the idea of a woman whose feet never touch the dirty ground. Tiny, pale, perfectly formed, miniscule, fee- GET BACK! I'LL SHRINK YOU!!!!

>we're gonna get a "Sorin, blood starved" or something along those lines in a few sets, and either he gets a handle on himself or he dies like a bitch.

>>54249392
Didn't you know?
The best way to write stories is to make everyone involved fucking retarded, regardless of what they were like prior.
Or if any of it contradicts what's been stated previously.
The entire setup for SoI block is fucktarded, and I can only imagine it's the result of them settling for the first dumb thing to come to mind.

>>54260145
At card level, blackula looks like a headless splotch of white at first

>>54255004
>It has no connection to the real world
Almost got me, nice bait

>>54268295
>nahiri goes back to free sorin
>Sorin isn't their
>ohno.jpg
>sorin left some edgy poem about fallen angels and how he's gonna fuck up nahiri
>rest of the storyline is about sorins overly complecated vengenace plot which is incredibly inhumane and breaks nahiri on a mental and spiritual level
>in the end it's revealed that sorin wasn't even driven insane by the rock
>this is baiscally a normal wensday for him

>>54268717
>Sorin goes to Zendikar
>Fucks it up hardcore in revenge for Nahiri fucking Innistrad up

The cycle continues

>>54263880
I hate that racist piece of shit.

>>54267656
You mean 'Bolas goes justasplanned', since apparently everything with the eldrazi and the gatewatch was ALREADY him doing just that.

>>54268697
Your point?

>>54243413
They'll eventually dig him out when they gather every single Neo-Walker in the Multiverse to take down Phyrexia

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>>54263880
The black angel really bothers me. The angels seem to be contained to this continent, or at least these flights are and they have existed since the start of time so there being non-white angels makes negative sense. Black people immigrating from warmer continents is fine but when we're talking about immortal beings that have existed forever it's beyond merely pandering.

>>54269473
Why can't there be a black angel? Did they ever say that angels were all white?

>>54270806
Why would a being that exists in a gloomy, overcast land ever be black? Angels should reflect the humans of the area and there's no way that anyone descended from the continent we know of Innistrad would have dark skin.

>>54271064
>Angels should reflect the humans of the area
Is that a rule that was stated somewhere on how the MTG Universe works? There have been angels that hardly look human, I can't see anything problem with a human-based angel who has a dark skin tone.

Is this really that immersion breaking for you? It's not as if they retconned Thalia into being a deaf autistic Asian woman for some sick diversity points.

>>54262658
>>54260709
>>54247766
I mean the real answer to all of this is that the writing team obviously had no plan prior, needed Nahiri to fight Sorin and so wrote some backstory where they are both unbelievably stupid and escalate a disagreement for no good reason.

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Just some thoughts.

>>54271459
Isn't Chandra at least half-brown? Maybe quarter-brown. Her mom is definitely half brown.

Seems like a decent ratio desu. I wonder if Amazon Pirate Dinosaur plane is going to give us a Native American planeswalker.

>>54271540

She's indian, though a very light indian. It seems like 'Pyromancer + Low self control' overruled her normal colouration.

>>54271540
Chandra is not visibly brown at all.

She looks like a bog standard white redhead.

>>54271540 >>54271584
She doesn't look it and could be easily confused for being white. Fuck, she could be easily confused for being Scottish.

>>54271459
Tibalt has very obviously caucasian features and was white prior to his magical mess-up.

So really it's 18 whities.

>>54271646
The dude's red, dude.

>>54271610

Yeah, that's why I made the guesstimate about pyromancer. Chandra has a LOT of bleed into her appearance (Her usual flaming hair thing for one) from her magic.

Her colouration doesn't seem to come from her parents very much.

>>54271657
...He's a white guy who mixed himself up with a bunch of devils. He has white guy features and was born white.

Would you count Koth as not a black guy if he did some magic that turned him red? That shit wouldn't change his ethnicity, just his skin colour.

Maybe Chandra is adopted :^)

>>54262960
>Amonkhet has mostly Egyptian or Nubian looking people in it
Amonkhet is filled with african-americans. The only ones who look egyptian, be it classic or nubian, are Temmet and Hapatra. And so was Kaladesh really, less indian looking people, more african-americans with beards.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ixalan is the same. It's obvious by now that WotC only recognizes the world in shades of white american and black american.

>>54271459
Tezzeret and Gideon are both brown, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>54271540
We are getting an Aztec Female walker next set with Jace and Veraska.

>>54272056
Wait which characters from Kaladesh look more African-American than Indian? Depala, Kambal, Kari Zev, Oviya, Pia, Rashmi, and Rishkar all look Indian. You could sway me Sram looking more African-American than Indian but it's pretty ambiguous.

>>54272276
Hell Pia looks more like a tanned white woman than a black woman.

>>54272276
Kambal straight up looks like a caricature of Lou Myers.

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>>54272476
Really?

>>54272597
It's exactly the same nose and cheekbone/eye structure with cartoonishly enlarged chine and ears. If Kambal's lips were just a little bit droopier it'd be spot on, if much less stern looking.

>>54243837
What is that old dragon up to anyways
Is he still on Zendikar waiting for Jace or Sorin to get back to him?

>>54272643
Yup. And according to the art book Bolas knows he's alive and is off to re-kill him.

>>54257727
>Creative thinks she's a victim of circumstances and want to redeem her.
You can say this and scream about "muh SJWs" all you like, Creative still referred to her as the block antagonist.

>>54243413
>Did the Jacestice League just ditch him when they could have saved him?

Like how he did Nahiri in the first place? That's a pretty nice karmic touch.

>>54246741
>He's indirectly responsible through his idiocy in that entire encounter with Nahiri, that led to her imprisonment.

Precisely this. All he had to do was not act like an edgelord for a hot minute. Instead he's just a condescending prick throughout the entire encounter because he seems literally incapable of empathy.

Perhaps the grimdarkness and complete lack of social awareness is why so many people on here seem to identify with him and defend him so adamantly :^)

>>54273434
And all Nahiri had to do was not act like a furious bitch. She threatened him and he told her to cool her jets.

Both of them acted pretty dumb there because Wizards didn't know how to get their plot to work without everyone succumbing to stupidity, but Nahiri is more at fault simply because she's the one who refused to accept that he literally couldn't help her at that moment, and thereby escalated the situation into a fight.

>>54272206
Bro, they're tanned white dudes.

Neither is brown.

>>54271459
I thought Domri was a little brown boy?

>>54276971
Nah, he's a pale little twink.

>>54273489
He could help her, all he had to do was go to Zendikar, have a look, then leave.

He just decided not to.

>>54276448
Gideon may be white if we consider monkeys/saijans white. Tezzeret has skinny arab guy facial features and rastafari hair, he's meant to be some kind of mutt.

>>54273489
>She threatened him and he told her to cool her jets.
Wrong. Nahiri said 'hey, I need you on Zendikar like, yesterday, c'mon' and Sorin said 'don't tell me what to do', becoming petulant and condescending about perceiving to take orders from somebody he 'trained' (more like trained for the purpose of using to get what he wants, but w/e). She then told him to quit his bullshit and he told her to fuck off and go find Ugin to do it instead. Then she came to the realization that Sorin either maliciously or ignorantly created a barrier that would keep outside forces, like the signal from the eye of Ugin, from entering Innistrad. And THAT made her snap.

Everything in this situation is Sorin's fault. After Lili jailbroke her, she found Zendikar getting kicked while on the ground by two-three Eldrazi titans and fairly assumed the world was boned, considering that she was lied to by Ugin and told the Eldrazi were unkillable. The 'sensible' reaction would have been to find Markunt and rip him apart, but she went a little crazy in the Helvault, and decided to eye-for-an-eye him instead, except with planar destruction.

Nahiri is undoubtedly a villain, and should be stopped, but her motivations make sense. Sorin is just cryptic for the sake autist who likes to attempt to come across Machiavellian.

>>54248399

You have a big obession with rape. Nahiri's stronger than everyone in the prison.

>>54279125
>being 100x stronger than a demon means you won't lose to 100 demons

>>54279311
they prob just chilled and played uno

>>54279311
If you read the story, the demons ignored Nahiri for the 1000ish years she was trapped in the vault. It was Avacyn they gangraped, mostly because she was the one who put them in there, and she was luminescent enough to see.

>>54278535
>Hey you need to do this!
>I can't right now, it seems you have the problem under control anyway.
>FUCK YOU CUNT COME DO THIS THING RIGHT NOW OR I'LL HAVE A TANTRUM

Yeah Nahiri was completely in the wrong.

>>54278129
I see Gideon as Mediterranean. MAYBE a pale Arabian in the right light.

And I agree with Tezzeret. He's either a pale African or a european/African mix. He's always depicted as gray or in the shadows though.

>>54262658
I choose to assume he only worked it out after Nahiri taught him shit, so in between the initial binding and when she kicked down his door. I like to give WotC the benefit of the doubt, so that the things I can't excuse stand out better.

>>54278535
t. woman

Nahiri acted like a child and got treated as a child.

>>54243954
>More time travel bullshit
>Multiverse breaks again
>Second mending
>All newalkers never existed
>Teferi, Jaya, et. al. are back
>MtG lore is good again

I can dream, right?

>>54285923
They both acted like children on the fucking beach, though.

>Waaah! The three Eldrazi kids are kicking down everyone's sandcastles!
>>Yeah, they're such bullies. I wish we could do something about them, Nahiri.
>>>Hey, kids. I've got a plan.
>Uncle Ugin!
>>Hi, Uncle Ugin.
>>>Sorin, go shout one of those 'your mom' jokes you like so much at them. I'll pin them down and you, Nahiri, can bury them in sand and build your sandcastle on top of them. How does that sound?
>You're the best, Uncle Ugin!
>>Yeah, thanks, I guess.
>>>Got it. And if they ever start squirming free, just call for me or Sorin and we'll reinforce it with a few buckets of sand.

>Soriiin!
>>Huh? What? Did you have to wake me up? I was taking a nap...
>You promised you'd help me keeping the Eldrazi kids buried under my sandcastle! One of them got a leg free and kicked down a tower!
>>Yeah uh, isn't Uncle Ugin around?
>He must've driven home. So why didn't you help me? Come on! The least you can do help me rebuild the tower.
>>Get lost, I'm tired after building this awesome sand angel.
>I'm gonna tell mom!
>>That's it Nahiri, I'm burying you under my sand castle.
>Waaaaah!

>>Crap, crap, crap, Uncle Ugin wants me to get Nahiri out from under my sandcastle. How do I explain to her that the Eldrazi kids are fr-- NAHIRI WHAT THE HELL
>Surprise, Sorin!
>>What the hell have you done to my sand angel?!
>I peed on her after I got free! Then I saw that you let the Eldrazi kids escape from my sandcastle and I paid the oldest one my lunch money to come and kick down your sandcastle!
>>I'm gonna kick your butt for this, Nahiri!
>Nuh-uh! Now I'm gonna bury you under your own sandcastle so you get to watch Emrakul kick it down all over your ugly face!

God damnit I'm glad I've never met you people. This is just sad. We can't even discuss a thrown away storyline without the subject of whether or not there's too many honkeys in muh mtg coming up.

>>54250053
They're both the same thing.

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>>54243413
Yep, now he's a Planeswallker

Could WotC be setting up Nahiri as the new BBE of MtG for when Bolas is eventually defeated? There's never going to be a mending 2.0 because planeswalker cards are a succes and aren't going anywhere soon. But since the retcon I've had the growing feeling we're looking at an overarcing 3 act structure here. From BfZ till now (HoD) is looking like act 1. We've had the introduction and the exposition and forming of the team and now, with HoD the first defeat (inciting incident). Ixalan will start of act 3 (rising action) were the Gatewatch will have a couple of blocks of training montage to learn the skills to defeat Bolas. Finally there'll came a couple of act 3 blocks wich will end with the defeat of Bolas whose ultimate goal, become a oldwalker again, is marketing-wise impossible. But MtG and the story won't end there so they'll rinse and repeat with the introduction of a new BBE. Nahiri might be there backup.

>>54286447
>Ixalan will start of act 3
Oops, Ixalan will start of act 2 I mean

>>54268092
And then they fuck.

>>54286447
I don't think it works with how her character's been portrayed. She's not "evil" in the way Nicol Bolas or Elesh Norn are, and her actions aren't beyond reason like Emrakul's. She's just a crazy bitch on a revenge streak. She's the MtG equivalent to Carrie Underwood in that music video where she beats the shit out of her ex's car. All she wanted was for Sorin to suffer in the same manner she did. The only other person she'd possibly have beef with is Ugin. After that she'd need to turn into an entirely different character for her becoming the next big evil dude to work.

What might make sense is if she starts working with Nicol Bolas because she thinks Ugin is a piece of shit to.

>>54247359
Didn't he kill his kid? That kinda seems like "Sub-par" fathering at best.

>>54286556
Well she doesn't need to be cliche evil right? Her just wanting to see the multiverse burn cause she's lost everything would still make her a good antagonist. And it leaves the option open for redemption which people like in stories. And they still have plenty of time to flesh out her character. Bolas aint dead yet.

>>54286534
This anon gets it

>>54272836
So what is Bolas' plan for Amonkhet? Isnt Ugin still recovering from the last battle? In another straight fight Bolas would win?

>>54287737
Amonkhet was an Eternal factory. Now he has an army of Eternals, which he plans to take to other planes using the portal technology taken from Kaladesh.

Presumably, he seeks to carve out an inter-planar empire of his own.

>>54262658
Because Innistrad is his plane and there was no chance in hell Sorin was going to use it as the Eldrazi's prison if he could push it off on someone else.

>>54250548
Nahiri is BAE

>>54243837
She knew Ugin was dead or at least MIA i think. She took out Sorin cause he simultaneously fucked Zendikar and imprisoned her for a thousand years just cause. I want to wager on her vengeance ending with Sorinwall.

I'm fuzzy on this, but permakilling Ulamog and Kozilek was thought to be impossible right up until the Jacetice league did it right?

>>54289052
It was possible, but Ugin didn't want to do it; he was affraid that the the Eldrazi had a purpose, and that they might be fucking up even harder if they permakilled all of 'em.

>>54289052
Ugin convinced everyone that it wasn't possible, although he was aware they could be killed. We only discovered it was possible after it actually happened.

Sorin and Nahiri will probably suffer conniptions if they ever find out.

>>54255352
>>54255392

See, I see these images and you know what question *really* pops into my head?

"The rest of these vampires have regular skin tones and they've established that Innistradi vampires aren't undead, just ageless. So why are Olivia and Sorin grey?"

>>54289714
Could be age.

Olivia's the Voldaren progenitor, isn't she? And Sorin's the second oldest Markov, which is the oldest bloodline.

>>54286789
Crazy, want to see the multiverse burn evil is still cliche.

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>>54287792

It's cool, he'll just get his ass kicked by another Umezawa.

>>54289083
They really need to show the ramifications of killing the titans

>>54243413
Caring about MtG lore is only marginally less retarded than caring about my little pony lore.

The only people who do it should just pick up a book or watch a tv show for their real age group.

It's like a 30 year old going online to have arguments about baby food when they could have steak.

By all means, enjoy the game, but investing yourself in the lore is a wasted opportunity to get into something that doesn't suck.

>>54291446
But what if I want to know what's happening to the characters that I use in my playing card game?