So /tg/ what do you do with Half-breeds inbyour setting? Do they

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As far as my setting is concerned, a "race" in RPG terms would be a species in taxonomic terms, with "humanoid" or whatever as a higher classification. So trying to crossbreed an elf with a human would work about as well as trying to breed a fox and an ocelot; i.e., not at all. And that's just between such similar "race/species" as humans and elves; things like half-dragons or half-orcs are the stuff of shitty horror movies.

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>>54241410
>fox and an ocelot

>>54241271
>So /tg/ what do you do with Half-breeds in your setting?
There are really only two big-picture answers to that. One is biology (>>54241410 & >>54241677), and the other is magic.

>Is there some nefarious plan involving them and or their conception
That sounds like an incredibly dangerous road to take.

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>>54241271
For people who want to feel like special snowflake in-game

I like the idea of them sense I've always had a childish fondness for combining things. That said I do my best to keep half-breeds from being too special snowflaky.
You wanna play a half-demon half angel? Fine, just know that sense Heaven and Hell both hate you you're going to have the worst luck in the universe.
Any big power boost is balanced out by a big draw back beyond >muh torn between two worlds

>>54241271
What kind of halfbreeds are we talking? Are we talking "le edgy half demon-half angel" hybrids or "half-elf half-human" standard fantasy stuff, because my setting technically has both though that's more of a matter of the theme that "everyone is only human" in the setting.

They're largely considered mortals blessed or cursed depending on the parents. They tend to be the subject of folklore, their destinies being auspicious things.

>>54241271
Did you really just start a thread as an excuse to post touhou porn? Its either that or /pol/baiting. Too early to really tell.

>>54244637
I dunno, OPs image has me fascinated. I'm curious what Sanae's plan is, is it to try and breed half-youkai and weaponize them against full blooded youkai to cleanse gensokyo or something? and why is she starting with Alice of all people for such an experiment?

>>54241410

Humans interbred with competing hominids in the real world. We know this. Really, the question to my mind is why there's so little interbreeding in your average D&D world. I imagine a setting that demographically is more like Brazil or Mexico, a large mixed population with a few people more or less pure one thing or the other.

>>542412

Half breeds exist so more "races" can exist without having to explain their cultures indepth.

Basically dragons fucked every race using magic because they wanted to bring a slave population under their control/vanity that weren't just dragons.

Goblins are human-dragon half breeds that are cripples. They are slightly smarter on average than humans, but their wanting nature overwhelms them and causes governments they form fall to corruption and savagry.

Desert Snake people are hybrids between merfolk and dragons.

Then dragons live in mountains and hills, humans live by forests, deltas and plains, and merfolk live in water and along coasts.

>>54241410
Any other answer than this is shit fetishbait justification.
Half breeds are cancer and anyone who wants to involve them in their settings is a faggot.

>>54244942
I don't know, focusing on "purity" seems like it could lead to the exact same kind of cancer.

>>54245412
Different "races" should just be different species that cannot interbreed.

>>54245431
That displays a lack of imagination.

>>54241271
Various types of people (and sometimes animals) called as though they are hybrids with spirits - demonblood, demigod, half-ghost and so on - are normally the children of two ordinary parents whose birth is touched by the power of a spirit. This might be the direct result of a magical working on the part of the spirit in question, or of possession of one of the parents during conception or pregnancy. Spirits might create these "half-breeds" as part of their weird whims and indiscretions, or they might create them deliberately in a long-term project to create servants with useful abilities. Imparting equivalent gifts during the life of a servant is possible but more difficult (and not usually categorized the same way by mortals.) Either way, such traits only rarely can be passed down to the mortal's descendants.

>>54241271
Source on the pic?

>>54241271
There are no half-breeds. Trying to mate produces no result and, in one case, disintegrates one's dick.

>>54241271
>So /tg/ what do you do with Half-breeds inbyour setting?
Don't exist. Each species is war too different in their origin and make-up to produce viable and/or fertile offspring.

However, I give each species/race around 2-3 different ethnicities and a shit load of sub-cultures, so you can still play as someone who follows the "child of two worlds" schtick if your smart enough. Plus, each race tends to be very much separated strongly via geography, so they tend to not interact much anyway. Plus, considering that Humans are the o ly race with permanently swollen mammary glands, the number of people willing to bone another race is rather small. Though granted some probably do exist, just as I know there are people on this board right now who would be willing to fuck most anything if it so much as waved it's hindquarters at them

just wish I had enough focus to finish making my setting

Half breeds work fine if the knly separating factor is "genus". For example, humans and elves are originally from the same common ancestor and can cross breed compatibly.

I almost always play half-elf in d&d but that's how my group sees it.

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>>54241271
>Is there some nefarious plan involving them and or their conception
This had a pretty good take on that.

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>>54244740
Its to breed half-youkai and weaponize them against full blooded youkai to cleanse gensokyo. She didn't start with alice. However Kaguya and Eirin have a different plan in mind

>>54246452
Is Eirins plan by any chance tranqing sanae and using her in her own whorehouse because it seems like thats how its going.

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>>54246581
>Is Eirins plan by any chance tranqing sanae and using her in her own whorehouse because it seems like thats how its going.
No, She is going to take care of Sanae complexion

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>>54246709
>trusting lunarians with anything
can't trust that girl and her shady drugs.

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>>54247051
I agree

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>>54247237
man, humans have it hard in gensokyo don't they?
>youkai run rampant in any place that isn't the human village and are actively protected by people far more powerful than the average human
>lunarians want to delet all life on earth so they can live there
>your only life lines are more or less on very friendly terms with youkai
>basically being raised as food by a super strong youkai bitch who tries to keep things in order under the guise of "harmony"

It's like the grimmest darkest setting got a big coat of "cute girls" paint.

>>54241271
Alright, sauce?
Can't find it via prostitution and drugs tags.

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>>54247293
Don't forget.
>If a human tries to improve the village he is dealt with.
>If a human tries to free himself from his shackles he is dealt with.
>if he does anything that isn't approved of Youkai he is dealt with

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>>54247349
>humanity's plight in gensokyo
>Junko's backstory
>Yuyuko's backstory
>Koishi's backstory
>this is supposed to be a "light hearted" series
What is ZUN smoking man.

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>>54247415
Don't know anon. but it's got to be some good shit

>>54247441
Maybe prohibitionists were right. Booze really does fuck with your brain.

>>54241677
>posts a puma/ocelot hybrid

>>54247441
Minus Ion?

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>>54247441
>CP doesn't exist
>comfort women don't exist
Even less believable than Nanjing denial.

>>54247511
probably referring to "negative ion" therapy, which I believe does have an effect... but I never researched it

>>54247349
>>54247415
It's still a light-hearted series in the sense that everything tends to work out for the better and that people often end up on good terms after resolving things, just because darker stuff happens doesn't mean the setting is dark. Hell, the human village is actually a fairly decent place to be really, it's small city sized, pastoral lifestyle rather than small hamlet, people are friendly, its big enough that you can meet new faces its not "you know everyone". Like, people from outside world choose to stay, its not living in misery by any stretch of the imagination.

As for the state of humans and the youkai, A- are they really oppressed when the humans dont want particularly much more in general, there are multiple youkai on good terms with them and the youkai are their greatest protectors.

B- there are still multiple accepted ways of getting *more* if you really want magic so much- they either require decades of dedication if you feel like going for the hermit route, and you can still go for magician route if you fancy a faster way, that just requires the sheer brass balls to go through with it.

C-Fortune teller is not a representative example. He did multiple really fucking blatant violations of the rules, along with doing basically everything he could to piss reimu off, he broke the rule of "if you're going to do this, don't do it in the village or while associated with the village", and theres a massive difference between becoming magician, human or otherwise, and purposefully seeding rumors and cursed items around the place before you die so that you will come back as a youkai- if magic and such from his living fortune telling was so forbidden in gensokyo, he would have been offed by the previous hakurei and never came back like he did.

>>54241271
Meh. It's fantasy. Bringing in anything about science or genetics is missing the point.

So different races can interbreed just fine. Sometimes they look like a mix-up of the two races, other times far more like one parent with only a few bits of the other.

Any other answer than this is autism.

>>54247630
Well, correct me if I'm wrong here, as my knowledge is beginner tier at best, but my understanding is that humans are groomed to basically be fountains of belief and faith for youkai and the other myriad of fantastical beings to exist. From what I gather from the various things I peek into humans don't get much in the deal while youkai benefit greatly, I mean, don't youkai generally have a desire if not need to eat people? Like fuck, Yukari brings in people from the outside world to eat.

It's like some weird, less fucked up version of dystopic utopia, sure everything is happy and the place you live in is nice, but things could be so much better if the great overlord youkai wasn't really controlling you.

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>>54247888
You speak of Treason.

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>>54247913
>there are no good options
>all the waifus are murderous or cunts
Bad end ahoy

I need a source on OP's pic pronto.

>>54241271
They don't really exist. Humans, elves and dwarfs can't interbreed; if child is born by whatever magic, he\she is sterile and possibly malformed. Humans and halflings can interbreed, but the result is just more humans.

>>54247888
Youkai need belief and maybe flech depending on he youkai to keep going, except for the handful of ones like magicians or hermits which are counted as youkai but dont need faith in the same way.

The population in the human village believes in youkai because are you going to say the tengu dont exist when they keep fucking spamming you with newspapers? They didn't have the same tech development as outside did so that meant that with the youkai being there they kept believing in them. And that gave them enough of a buffer s that even with people from outside choosing to stay and gensokyo getting better tech itself, peopl still believe in youkai.

Spellcards and incidents also contribute- they let big flashy style over substance things occur and get resolved, again giving the youkai belief, giving faih to the shrine because of incident resolution, and it keeps things fairly consequence free- youkai want to live so they do a way of duelling that lets them challenge the hakurei for incidents and such but it stops people or youkai dying because of it- because the youki don't want to hurt the villagers, hell, they even protect the village from disasters and try to get the village favourable to their sort of youkai. And one of the rues is that when you don't target the village because then *everyone* loses including you.

As for the bits for those who need flesh to live, yes humans are taken from the outside for that but they're taken from people who are properly full on suicidal and going to off themselves anyway.

So it really isn't that bad at all.

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The half beastmen are all that are left, after the Kingdom of Gorgoth was levelled. They're the last of their kind, and refugees.

The half human, half elves have their own little culture of gypsy caravans. They have no magic such as the elves, and are too inhuman to be accepted by their human kin, so they travel constantly as traders and highwaymen.

PORN
WHEN

>>54248031
See mate, what I'm getting at is it's like life in "Brave New World" sure everybody is happy and content. But things would be so much better if they hadn't been literally brainwashed over generations.

Spellcards only exist because there's a couple really strong and smart youkai like Yukari who realize it's best to prevent the balance from going out of whack and causing humanity to get genocided by youkai and in turn cause youkai to die off as well, then this is enforced by Reimu who's pretty damn good at the whole danmaku thing.

Yukari herself pulls "people who won't be missed" from the outside world which could mean any damn thing, hell she could be lying straight through her teeth as far as we know.

As for technological development, outside of youkai bastions like youkai mountain, Eirin's crazy shady drugs and the lunarians who are smug, elitist cunts. The setting is backwards even for 1880's japan, which is when gensokyo was sealed off. I don't think I've seen anyone even mention a match lock, which would have been in fashion for the last 200 years, hell they should have early repeating rifles going around.

>>54241271

I generally make it so that halfbreeds don't exist. You'll be surprised by how much more depth this adds to a setting, particularly in how it promotes xenophobia.

It also emphasizes that it's hard for the different races to get along.

>>54248125
>it's "all technological progress is measured in weapons" episode

They have cold fusion, miracle drugs, tv/computers, whatever crazy tech bullshit Rinnosuke happens upon in general and working printing press / newspaper company.

>>54248125
It's not really ass backwards, they do have stuff like running water and electricity in it, there's just differences in it- they don't have cars except for byakurens motorbike because basically anywhere you can wal or cycle to, or fly to, theres only one real settlement after all. Guns are a thing, theres a bit in one of the manga chapters where it goes on about a tanuki getting shot, its just not focussed on because the POV chaaracters dont need them, and the only use is hunting as they dont do anything to youkai. There's just not much need for tech. They know about stuff like computers and understand the concepts, even if they don't really understand how they work / cant get it to work because they've skipped over the tech base.

It's really not that different from any other country town really. And its not like brave new world at all- BNW you are born into a caste and you'll be like that forever, you're indoctrinated from birth into it. Gensokyos just a fairly pastoral life which just happens to be a bit supernatural- theres some danger from youkai but its under control, you can go through with magic if you're determined enough and do it in the right way, and theres pplent of friendly ordinary interactions between people and youkai, its not like they can't be friends.

>>54248270
But anon, if humans don't dominate everything in a singular screeching wave of HFY then it's a terrible setting.

>>54248261
You mean all that shit that only youkai have and use and aren't seen anywhere near the village? Honestly, I only used weapons because something I actually know about 19th century japan. But looking into it by the time gensokyo was sealed off the japanese were putting up a telegraph system, a printing press would be old news at that point.

Also all the shit Rinnosuke has, the only people who know what they are and do are himself, Sanae, Kanako, Suwako and Yukari being the only people with knowledge of the outside world stuff. Reimu and Marisa have been shown to be completely unaware of what that stuff is or does, so I think it's pretty clear that the human village lacks that kind of stuff.

>>54248290
I personally really like the setting especially seeing how itll go to the future- as if you think of it from a youkai perspective, this is them trying to stay in a losing game. But then you have to consider keeping gensokyo open and not stagnant as that = death but change might also lead to death if outside changes too fast.

Really the best option youkai have is to try and change the game itself but then when part of what makes youkai youkai is that they are somewhat bound by their nature it's an interesting challenge to figure out how to change it.

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>>54248290
This. Finally someone said it. Humanity fuck yeah is nothing more than a mental illness

>>54248359
>t. Lunarian elitist

>>54248308
Really, it's also the "do we need this stuff?" thing. Gensokyo is cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't really need internet, people can piss lightning and shit thunder, so they don't need wepons, their newspaper is ran by race for whom "gotta go fast" is life's creed, so they don't really need telegraph...

All in all, Gensokyo doesn't change not because there are EVUL PLANZ, it doesn't change because it doesn't need to.

>>54248381
In reality it doesn't change because ZUN will never advance the same plot thread further than a few steps forwards. I mean "It doesn't need to" is really a poor excuse. It may not be "evul plans" but shit like refrigeration and running water would definitely be quality of life things that anybody would love to have. I'd bring up modern medicine as well, but I think Eirin has that cornered what with her literal magic drugs.

PORN.
WHEN.

>>54248381
Electronics aren't a thing, but stuff like cars theres no need for transportation, same for telegraphs- everyone lives in the same place so no need for distance communications, no need for computers as no need for the complex calculations they were made for.

They arent incapable of understanding tech, even if they see it from warped perspectives because theyre understanding finished things from different viewpoints and without understanding of groundwork- "computers are like shikigamis" "we're building a moon rocket, it has 3 stages because they have 3 stages, even tthough its powered by magic so doesnt need fuel and tank detachings."

>>54248359
FUCKING MOON LET ME KILL CHANG'E

Lunarians are the perfect example of stagnation = death, even though I do kinda like the watatsukis because they aren't really like the rest of them, they're positively soft compared to say eirin, and given SSiBs events it would be interesting to see what they thought of lunarians plan in LolK and knowing that it was reimu and co that pulled their asses out the fire.

>>54248449
The real big issue is ZUN thought of "Fantasy" and rolled with a general timeline without actually thinking about progression. I mean EoSD takes place in 2003 canonically, then apparently each incident takes place at least a year apart from each other, so Reimu and Marisa are likely in their 20's by now, but you'd never think from any of the more recent stuff, he's just not really progressing things.

>>54241271
Dwarves, elves, and orcs each have a "domain," where they can exert supernatural powers that aren't truly magic; For dwarves it's Mineral Mastery, for elves it's Vegetable Mastery, and for orcs it's Animal Mastery. They also get +2 to Con, Dex, or Str depending on race and some minor racial abilities.

Humans also have their own weird "domain," that involves the power of the written word; one thing they can do is create and use spell scrolls, even if they aren't typical magic users.

I had to get all that out of the way in order to say that in my setting, half-elves and so on get the ability bonuses and racial powers of their non-human ancestry, but get the domain of their human ancestry. So you can have a tribe of orcish raiders where most members have a 'pet' dire wolf, but two or three families have a stockpile of Scrolls of Bless they use to help keep their tribesmen alive during a raid.

>>54247888
Youkai all need some sort of "essence" of humans. There are plenty of youkai who absorb this essence by eating humans (either because it's the only way they can, or they're just bloodthirsty fucks), but there are youkai who get their fill simply by eating food made by humans, or interacting with humans in other, non-destructive ways. Tengu are youkai, but most of them get all the essence they need simply by gossiping about humans. No, I don't know how rumor-mongering gives Aya physical sustenance.

>Thread about halfbreeds
>becomes full-on lore discussion about how fucked up the touhou lore is
>all because OP posted some dumb hentai with a dark twist to it
>In the grim darkness of gensokyo, there is only yukkuri
/tg/ is a thing of wonder.

>>54249127
It's a good setting with a lot of meat to discuss and I'm not just talking about yukaris chest there, so of course it's good to have a discussion on it.

In short, its really not that bad.

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The only way gensokyo can move forward is human and youkai stand equal to one another.

>>54249320
While that doujin is fairly immersion breaking, I do hold that byakuren as on the right track to some extent- the current situation is one which, while it works, is not perfect and could stand to be improved, either by finding a way in which both sides are able to take a more mutual relationship, or by changing the game entirely.

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>>54249366
She also sees thorough the hypocrisy of human

>>54249316
In my opinion, we're probably not gonna get much in the way of anything going anywhere. There's lots of meat because ZUN's adding more than he's resolving, because he doesn't seem to be planning on stopping making games any time soon (which is fine). Something might actually happen another decade from now though.

>>54241271
there are no half breeds

>>54249171
Awww yeah.

>>54249691
Yeah

>>54246100
Govon

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>>54249644
What has he resolved?
Youkai still want to act like nothing has change.

>>54241271
I play with some ideas, hobgoblins are human half breeds, bugbears are orc goblin half breeds, and both are sterile. Elves and dragons are the only ones who's mongrel offspring are able to breed

>>54256430
So they are sorta like mules?

>>54249316
I'm totally on your side dude.
Touhou has facinating roleplaying potential in my opinion.
Sadly there aren't any well developed games. Phantasmal Lands is fine (and I do play it) but yuugi flowers is fucked oh my god.
Well. Guess I just gotta deal and make my oqn homebrew that will never be done

>>54241271
in my 'original' setting, half-breeds don't exist.

Different races CAN interbreed, but the resulting child will be the same race as the parent they share a gender with (so in a male elf/human female, a daughter will be human) while taking on a few traits from the race of their other parent (dwarves with non-dwarves tend to be taller, etc.)

Why can the different races interbreed? The Elven and Dwarven Gods (who proceeded to also make orcs and a few other races) explicitly arranged that in gratitude for when ancient human empires allowed the elves, dwarves, and their respective gods to call the human world their home as well.

Indeed, it's also why elves and dwarves are now human-like. before meeting humanity, dwarves were lava rock/gem crustaceans and elves were winged, bipedal elks made from plant matter.

>>54258306
I thought it was generally agreed that touhou has little to no roleplaying value, because as >>54256372 pointed out, the only thing that gets resolved are incidents. Characters don't really develop much and the world hasn't changed at all and is actively attempting to stay status quo, which would cause issues if some players decided to fuck with shit and basically ended up causing an incident.

>>54249127
But sanae is right

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>>54249127
Touhou has the potential to be grimdark

>>54255088
What

>>54258306
Can you drop a link to Phantasmal Lands? I tried google but all I got was MtG stuff. Also, if you wanted to adapt a system to Touhou, what would you try to use?

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>>54261500
It doesn't even have to try that hard with some people honestly.

>>54244759
Predominantly it's because "muh Tolkien!" There have been settings to try a more diverse approach - Kingdoms of Kalamar, for example, has half-dwarves, half-gnomes, half-goblins, half-hobgoblins, and half-gnolls - but WoTC tends to lean away from that.

>>54247309
I had to find the character in OP by looking for a matching hat and got Keine Kamishirasawa. Went for Touhou + Keine + Mind Break + English and found it.

https://exhentai.org/g/570546/f708d73c24/

>>54262540
But didn't tolkien half breeds needed to pick a side?

>>54259163
I disagree.
When roleplaying, you just gotta think of it as if it was a parallel universe version of gensokyo and all the roleplaying doors open, since the status quo is only as important as you want it to be.
Of course ZUN wants to preserve the status quo somewhat because it works and major changes would potentially alienate fans. For example, if he decided that reimu or marisa had to die, there would be a shitstorm even if it would make perfect narrative sense.
It would be interesting, maybe, but he would ultimately hurt his IP.
In roleplay you could do whatever the fuck you want. Your players might murder the fuck out of reimu and marisa, plunging gensokyo into chaos and starting an incident like never before.
Like, who cares. Its just the narrative of your table. It doesn't affect touhou lore outside of it.
This is how I learned to play RPGs anyways

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>>54262141
I was working on one actually. I worked on my own system, based on shadowrun and Phantasmal Lands. The emphesis is (or was) on giving ways to easily create content like playable races yourself. The problem I saw with phantasmal lands is that it is kinda ridged with the races. You have your set of common things, but if you want to play, say, a jiangshi or another form of undead apart from ghosts, you need to think up special rules that basically could be anything. Giving guidelines for this would have helped....
So yeah. That is basically that

>>54248527
Reimu is above ageing, and Marisa is a witch.
Also they're Japanese so they never visually age

Halfbreeds are infertile. Much like a mule would be when a donkey and horse are crossbred.

This is where the real stigma of halfbreeds comes from, they can't be married into a family as they won't be able to continue the families line.

They also have a limited population as they can't breed themselves, hence many of them end up as adventurers due to a reckless view of life stemming from not being able to have a family.

>>54263720
Reimu needs to start looking out for a man to continue the Hakurei bloodline.

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Stop racemixing.

>>54264618
Fuck you Rade you misbegotten son of a whore and a two-bit sailor. I do as I please

Half breeds only happen as a result of humans and another race (ex there's no dwarf/elves). There's no real deeper purpose to this than including any other fantasy race.

>>54264456
It is touhou, ya really think reimu needs a fucking dude to do that?
Yukari could get reimu pregnant without any form of lovemaking taking place at all, so what need is there for a dude?

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>>54265921
Zun already made a joke about it

>>54263795
Mules are known to sire children

>>54266742
I really wish there was a translation for this so I could know what you mean

>>54262660
>entire multi-part series of taking diaper heads and putting them in rape dungeons
No idea how I feel about that honestly.

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>>54243812
Best teeth artist.

>>54268038
This shouldn't be doing things to my dick.
Help

>>54241271
PURGE THEM WITH THE EMPEROR'S HOLY FIRE!

>>54263720
Reimu maybe has an excuse, but isn't Marisa still human, albeit dangerously close to becoming a non-human? She still has the short lifespan of a human I'd say.

>>54263446
That's fine and all, but the issue comes from "If you try to change something big you likely cause an incident" because the ensuing chaos probably riled up a bunch of youkai or something. It's like in D&D if the players tried changing whatever setting they were in two highly level DMPCs showed up to beat them into submission to stop. But I guess that only matters if your players are going to get autistic about "muh setting".

>>54270532
M A G I C
What fucking good is magic if it can't extend your life to learn MORE MAGIC

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>>54269287
Okay

>>54270861
When that magical hump causes you to go over into youkai territory, like Alice did.

And here I was expecting a half decent thread about halfies, instead it turned into /a/ shit.

>>54272416
>It can't be a good discussion because it's touhou
I'm not sure who's worse, weebs or anti-weebs.

>>54272844
It's more the classic /a/ shit to just start circlejerking rather than discuss the thread topic.

>>54273043
I mean, it's no worse than the "FUCKING HALFBREEDS REE HUMANS ONLY" bullshit that'd come out of a topic like this. At least the discussion wasn't about "muh waifus" and actually tried dissecting the lore.

>>54272416
It is still a discussion about roleplaying potential in the touhou universe, so it is not /a/ level shit... just roleplaying in an /a/ setting (only it is actually way to good for /a/)

>>54241271
sauce?

>>54241271
Half-breeds actually do exist for a reason. They're a subtle hint that the various races are all the same species. To be specific, the human species. Elves, dwarves, and orcs are all genetically modified humans who were designed for low-gravity environments, high-gravity environments, and combat, respectively.

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>>54248375
Lunarians are a master race anon. Humanity is inferior when compared to them. Just admit it. Earth is living space for them

>>54276136
Lunarian please go and stay go. Nobody likes you smug pricks, can't wait till you all become impure and start to die slow deaths.

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>>54277041
The fuck you say?

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>>54278215
Moon rabbits aren't lunarians though, they're an entirely different creatures forced under lunarian rule because Chang'e drank the hourai elixir for reasons. Lunarians on the other hand are smug pricks who can only be smug and superior because they live in a pure world which will slowly crumble underneath them eventually. I could never say anything bad about Raisins, she's mai waifu.

>>54241271
typically i'll have halfbreeds allowed in my setting and the gain all the bonus's of whatever races without any of their individual demerits, the problem with them however is they are typically taboo cause pretty much every time one shows up in the settings history the tend to completely fuck over both races it came from and made them from there seen as essentially signs of major calamity put in as a curse by the ruling overgods so that people don't eugenics a god into existing or some batshit retardation.so you can play one, and you can actually expect it to matter, but unless your half human since humans don't really care so much about taboos, your probably gonna be number one on multiple races most wanted hit list.

>>54272416
>Touhou
>/a/

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>>54244740
Isn't Sanae herself a half-breed due to suwako being her ancestor or however that works?

>>54278905
>/tg/
>Not touhou general

>>54279309
Sanae is a very distant descendant, by the point she's at the god bloodline would have been so diluted it would only be like "ancient power" instead of making her a half breed.

>>54279309
>>54280076
Since suwako is a god, it is kinda weird how that works.
Gods in shinto usually don't really have physical bodies, so she couldn't have direct offspring.... but since she is a god she could impart some of her power onto a mortal I guesss?
This isn't greece, after all.
Thou, since the Japanese emperors are said to be sprung from amaterasu and they they are said to be the child of two gods... and all of them being human essentially... I don't know what to believe anymore.
I guess gods can just will humans into existence

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>This entire thread
Jesus christ I never Pegged Touhou as having a complex lore.

>>54280344
That's because if you only look at it from the outside you're gonna see the games (which have minimal lore) and fanworks, which are of course, fanworks. Once I delved into the series myself I was surprised by the amount of actual lore the characters and setting had.

>>54280192
Well, we'll probably never know if she went about it the human method or not. Since touhou does take a few liberties on mythology. On that note, has ZUN ever stated that youkai and humans can actually interbreed? or are half youkai like Rinnosuke some sort of weird anomaly?

>>54280435
I've only played a couple of the games and yeah, there is some implied stuff but I never picked up on a deeper lore than what I got out of most shoot-em-ups. I was aware this was a much bigger franchise but never put much thought into it beyond thinking it was just people running with their preferred Waifu.

>>54280541
It's some crazy shit, now that ZUN has a foundation, he's starting to put out printworks, his music CDs have always had little story tidbits, the fighters reveal a little bit about stuff, and I think the character profiles in the game files also had some story stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if we got an official anime in the next decade or two at this point.

>>54280344
The High Priest is kind of a mediocre DM-tier lore vampire, the "time to namedrop every blue link proper noun in this Wikipedia article" type. The fanbase is just huge and rabid enough to go through and click them all, and do the equivalent of reprinting the entirety of the Talmud, Book of Tobias, Malleus Maleficarum, and Paradise Lost on the character sheet of their Lawful Evil cleric in a Neverwinter campaign in order to more fully represent Asmodeus.

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>>54280580
You mind translating that into english please?

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>>54280609
Programmer man hear legend. He like legend because it remind him of little girl. He repeat legend.
Autismotron hear legend. He like legend because he like little girl. He also like legend because he like knowing. He type legend into Google and declare everything said by everyone else in the past 2,000 years who like legend "canon". Then he self-publish a book about little girl being raped by other little girl in a way that relates to 500-year-old telling of the legend programmer man never even heard of.
Autismotron 2 buy book, because he like little girls being raped. Then he declare it canon because he bought it and he not dumb enough to buy fake book.

>>54280565
ZUN has forbidden an anime from being made

>>54280076
Sanae is also technically a god herself

>>54276136
>posts the shittiest lunarian

>>54245642
You sound like a nigger.

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>>54280659
I'd say that's wrong, but I can believe with how little ZUN cares about an indepth and living lore, considering he plans on making the games until the day he dies. This might be changing with the new print works though.

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>>54280685
Has he really? Why's that?

>>54280192
>Gods in shinto usually don't really have physical bodies, so she couldn't have direct offspring....

Anon, their legends start off with "there were a load of gods that don't matter much, they had kids who had kids who told their kids to make Japan. Kids fucked up having babies after that, so we got wierd shit and eventually we got hell. They then had more babies who had babies who were sent down to Japan where they had MORE BABIES."

They make Olymp look like a race suicidist club.

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>>54280659
>>54280580
So if I am understanding this right?

It's not that the lore is deep per se. Just that people take any and all connections to what tidbits of lore do exist in Touhou, as it relates to the legends and stories that inspired them; and then injects them into their interpretation of the game and characters?

>>54280728
Realistically I'd assume that he followed through second-order effects or so at first and probably a bit deeper after leaving Taito. But the fanbase is a whole different level, at one point they were actively trying to draw a line from the MoF cast to Christianity and from there to team SDM by following Sanae bullet patterns through the Shingomura myth. Comparative mythology is a hell of a drug.

>>54280734
He's basically got one rule: "Get together and get hyped for real 2hu from me in person".
Broadcast anime obscures what real 2hu is because it's more complex to make than the games, and it's broadcast so you can watch it from your NEETcave, so it's double haram.
It's worth noting that, say, a direct-to-video sold-at-event OVA or a movie written by him don't specifically require changes of heart - but at this point the hype has dulled enough where it would have to come from his side, and he appears to prefer focusing on games.

>>54280795
Well, as devil's advocate I'd say the lore is deeper than what he's claiming, just not as deep as other things. I mean there's still a lot of secrets and unexplored things. The origins of youkai, the hakurei god, Maribel and Yukari's relationship, Chang'e's story and by extension Junko's, Mima and Shinki. Shit like that, just ZUN will probably never follow up on the threads he has going and everything will be doomed to speculation fuel forever.

>>54280734
He hates anime that are soulless cashgrabs and unfinished stories iirc. Muh no heart and soul I think

>>54280820
Oh I'm a stranger to the lore of Touhou in general. Like I said I've only played a few of the main games and the dialogue is basically a couple of sentences before you go back to shooting. I don't know how deep this actually goes.

>just ZUN will probably never follow up on the threads he has going and everything will be doomed to speculation fuel forever.
That is both a shame, and maybe for the best. How good of a writer is ZUN in reality?

>>54280795
Yes. It's semideliberate in the way that it might be in any campaign you play in, where the DM knows a subset of the implications and likes a smaller subset of those, but is also just letting it roll to see what the players come up with and may have plain not noticed a NOT AS PLANNED coming.

And of course there's the purely internal things >>54280820 mentioned, which are comparable to the usual DM fog of "maybe he knows what he wants it to be, maybe he just knows a list of things he doesn't want it to be".

>>54280826
I can see where he's coming from, he's probably the most popular doujin guy out there, so any anime pitches he gets from anybody will probably be some sellout otaku bait trash.
>>54280818
>trying to compare the MoF cast to christianity
wew that's some fucking crazy shit right there, the SDM cast I can maybe see but fuck that's a bit crazy. Christian rivals when

>>54280457
As far as I know, it is absolutely possible because magic and shit.
All humans have the potential to become youkai after all

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>>54280841
I've only dipped my toes into the water and haven't really gotten super into the series yet, but I'd say he's alright as a writer and the series is alright in terms of depth. Though I could be just as bad as what this guy >>54280843 is saying and falling for the DM's ruse.

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>>54280863
I figured as much, considering Keine and Rinnosuke are running around. which means someone fell for a qt youkai girl and fucked her brains out or some human girl took the D from some youkai dude

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>>54280889
Are you telling me you wouldn't fuck this with all the earthly force you possess in an attempt to spread your half-oni legacy to the wind?

>>54241271
Well, sentient humanoid races are close to breed, but not close enough to produce fertile offspring.
Also, it is important who is mother: you will never mistake an eldwar (elven father, dwarven mother) for a dwelf (opposite).

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>>54280918
Is that even a question anon? I certainly would, even if my preference is a useless bunny who's only good for her sex appeal.

>>54280792
None of this proves your point.
I guess thou, the gods are what people believe them to be, so if they believe a god could fuck and produce an offspring, they could. Doesn't mean that this is the case necessarily. The offspring still could just be willed into existence.

>>54280966
It entirely depends on what ZUN thinks happened honestly. For all we know she could've divided like an amoeba and had children that way.

>>54280865
I wouldn't call it bad at all, it's just a style/priorities thing combined with the sheer amount of dweebs picking at it.
Dude can work himself up to a completely respectable, to elaborate on my other example, command of Japanese divination circles.
He can put it to use in a setting that's well-researched "let's use Japanese mysticism this time, we've already done vampires, Japanese ghosts, Chinese legend, and Buddhist hell".

Then someone out there will pay money to print moderately-successful books tying the cast back to the vampires and the vampire-legend's religious overtones because one of the traditional divination circles looks like a Star of David and there's an iffy post-WW2 urban legend about Jesus escaping Pontius Pilate and entering a life in exile preaching messianic Judaism in northern Japan.

It's less "being a bad DM" and more "being a perfectly good DM with wargamer tendencies, who got shanghaied somehow into running WoD for a group of nothing but high-functioning-autistic Comparative Religion majors".

>>54246100

Post the image cap or get out.

>>54247441

Fucking jap bastard, worse than nazi apologists I swear.

>>54247441
Based Kei.

>>54280987
...right.
Its not important how they do it anyways. What is important is that sanae is part god... i think. I don't know, what was this about again?

>>54281252
She's probably not even part god, since Suwako is god knows how old, just that it's somewhere in her very distant bloodline.

>>54281010
That is the best analogy I have ever read I think. Thank you.
I fucking love touhou and I'm super into the lore, but I will concede that some fans are the worst cancer known to man.
I guess same could be said about a lot of fandoms

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So are we now vassals to /jp/?

>>54281444
You don't remember the age of touhou doujins?
You'd go to download something from rapidshare, thinking you were getting rulebooks for Dark Heresy, and you'd end up with futa or something.

>>54281561
That was a thing?
In my culture this is considered 'a dick move'

>>54281679
I mean, sneaking people dolphin porn disguised as tabletop PDFs is an ancient practice from my knowledge of historical shitposting, I don't see why it wouldn't extend to touhou doujins as well. at least those are fappable to less deviant people.

>>54281444
Please, we were /touhou games/ before /jp/ existed. Look at me - look at me. I'm onii-chan now.

>>54281724
What the fuck dude

>>54281693
True, but I believe if you want something along the lines of rpg books and get porn, it kinda sucks because you didn't get what you wanted and you still need to look for what you want (even if the porn was good).
Since this is the internet, getting porn sneaked into your rpg stuff is shit. If you want fucking porn you can get loads of porn for free already

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>>54281812
It is your destiny

With touhou lore, I'd say that it's fairly deep- while for the most part the games themselves are lore-light, when you look at the official mangas and the print works / music CDs, rthats where the real meat of the worldbuilding gets done, and looking at all that is where you get to see true depths of the characters and their stories. Which is usually around the point where it's not all spelled out, but you do get enough info to be able to piece things together. And its the combination of piecing things together from everything to get a take on it as a whole which is what I find intresting- like I'd really want to know what the moonbitches thought of the moons plan in lolk, and that it was those people from earth they'd met before that dealt with the situation. Sometimes things get fully tied up, sometimes they don't, but its really interesting piecing everything together.

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>>54281898
>Thread about halfbreeds
>becomes full-on lore discussion about how fucked up the touhou lore is
>all because OP posted some dumb hentai with a dark twist to it
>In the grim darkness of gensokyo, there is only yukkuri
/tg/ is a thing of wonder.

>>54272136
Alice was born a Magician IIRC.

>>54282116
Well, according to the wiki it says this about alice
>"In her Imperishable Night profile, she is said to be a magician as a species, in contrast to Marisa, who is a human that practices magic. In Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, she is described as a magician youkai that used to be human and became a magician by using "abandon food" magic"

>>54282116
>>54282130
There's also the bit where she may or may not be the same alice from MS, where its generally taken that her first appearance there is as a human but by the time you facce EX alice she's not human.

>>54282130
Sweet.

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>>54282138
>PC-98 canon
I mean, as much as I actually want to see some more characters come back with remixed themes, we all know the few that have returned have nothing to do with their PC-98 selves mostly.

>>54282152
He's a mixed bag- he's got a nice art style, and the creepy look fits nicely in some cases, like his parsee in the one about marisa finding some red ink, but at the same time a lot of the time he goes a bit *too* edgy with some stories and the characters start breaking character IMO in the edgier ones.

>>54282100
>copypaste my exact post from earlier word for word >>54249127

Dude.

>>54282138
It is confirmed that PC-98 canon has nothing to do with PC-Era canon.
EoSD was basically a reboot of the entire canon

>>54282331
unfortunately, the allusions don't get further than Yuuka and Reimu having previous history sadly. Mima and Shinki really are nevar evar.

>>54282346
Like I said, they are basically not canon anymore. Yuukas and Reimus prior history can be seen as fanservice as well

>>54241271
If the races are more or less alike and physically compatible, there can be half-breeds. So you have Half-Elves, but not Half-Gnomes. But you can have a Half-Halfling/Half-Gnome.
Thing is, half-breeds are all sterile.

>>54282418
>Half-Halfling
Would that make them quaterlings?

>>54282436
You remind me of the Human/Halfling half-breed, the Wholeling, who can wield a Long Shortbow.

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>>54282460
>long shortbow

>>54241271
There are half-dwarfs, half-elves, half-halflings, half-gnomes, half-orcs, half-dragons, half-whatever, including half-humans. But wait, if there are half-humans, what is the other half? There is no other half. God left them unfinished.

>>54282460
>Wholeling
>Long shortbow
I think the universe just caved in a little.
Bottomline is: Halflings can crossbreed with others, but if they do the universe might be destroyed because of paradoxes.
We have two options:
- never let halflings crossbreed
- kill all halflings

I think we all know what the logical course of action is

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>>54282725
When is genocide ever not the proper answer?

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>>54283071
Rip goblin slayer

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>>54283113
OH christ, what happened to it. I never got far into it because I was reading the manga.

>>54269287

The majority of that artist's stuff is ballbusting and emasculation.

Those teeth'll do things to your dick alright!

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>>54283467
>it's that guy
fuck man, why do we live in such a terrible world.

>>54281054
He is probably talking about the gnome conspiracy.

>>54281072
>>54282152
Here

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>>54281693
It was most widespread during 4e. Honestly, it got to the point where I'd download the file, and be disappointed when it was the books and not a fresh batch of 2hu futa.

>>54283134
It's not canon. Goblin Slayer is about to head to the moon to kill more Gobs.

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>>54283939
You have the world wide web at your disposal.
There are unscaleable mountains of touhou porn alone, a whole chunk being futa.
Why the everlasting FUCK do you go through the effort of downloading random books to get your futa shit?

>>54285488
Obviously it wasn't exclusively from books, I think he just missed the novelty of someone pulling a fast one on him.

>>54286683
Not an argument

>>54287870
It's like why I go sifting through second hand or resale shops. You go there looking for old games and occasionally you find a worn out copy of the Kama Sutra or some obscure 80s anime on VHS.

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>>54287870
I see I'm being had.

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>>54283939
I understand your pain

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>>54288759
>vaguely recognize artist
don't tell me that's some ballbusting shit. I found him by accident, and thought he was a decent artist, then found out all his shit was about his shitty fetish.

>>54285488
Because it was the meme, you dip.

Touhou Futa was not only a classic part of pre-Nazi Mod /tg/, it was arguably better than what it replaced; the C-team books of 4e in its death throes.

>>54289056
What happened to this board

>>54282152
That one was weird but I appreciated the heartwarming ending.

>>54280841
Here's a neat tidbit of lore.

Marisa's star danmaku is edible.

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>>54289750
I didn't know that actually. Does it taste good?

>>54290165
Man, i can't remember what the source is on that.

But if whats left of my memory serves, i think it was something like a sugar cookie.

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>>54290972
Nice, I hope that's real.

>>54241271
There aren't any half-breeds. Pairings will either have the mother's race for the offspring, or be entirely infertile.

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>>54280704
Kaguya is the beat lunarian

>>54292393
Only by virtue of being less shit than all the other ones.

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>>54288908
Space Jin has a good fetish.

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>>54293501
>ballbusting
>good fetish

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>>54293501
He has fucking god tier art but that fetish is not good

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>>54290972
Source: SSIB, Lunarian bitch vs Maria. Yorihime summons a God and freezes Marisa's danmaku which is easy to dodge because stars don't twinkle in the moon 's lack of atmosphere.

It was spoofed in a couple of doujins. Here is a crop of one.

Also, have a fuck ton of touhou reaction images. I knew I had them somewhere.
http://m.imgur.com/a/hMyDX

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>>54293748
Forgot to mention, Yorihime takes a bite out of a frozen star. I remember this as fellow touhou fans were pissed off at her nor instantly dying due to touching danmaku but to me it made sense as it didn't touch her hit box.

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>>54293784
Well, from what I hear the moonbitch sisters are kinda bullshit in how powerful they are.
>beat a semi-serious yukari
>beat reimu, marisa, sakuya and remilia one after the other

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>>54294030
Don't forget.
>Prevented the Apollo 11 from landing on the moon.

>>54294030
>>54294165
Weren't they, like, direct decendents of tsukuyomi?
I mean, its not like fighting amaterasus brother himself, but damn if fighting a direct offspring of one of three divine top dogs isn't hard as fossilised mammoth shit

>>54295195
I guess I was mistaken though because I can't find anything about that

>>54294030
To be fair, they didn't "Beat remilia in a danmaku battle" they "Forced a win by default by putting her out of action".

Frankly, summoning the sun itself like that was sorta cheap.

>>54294030
>got pranked by a ghost and her netherworld gardener

>>54293527
It is

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>>54289056
Basically, yes. It was the fun old board culture.

Plus, I had no idea what I was getting.

>>54285488
It's not just touhou porn, it's ACT of getting touhou porn.

Just going on the internet and downloading touhou porn is boring.
Downloading something and then finding out it's touhou porn is unexpected (or "expected-unexpected", it's complicated) and exciting.

Random Question. But a year or so ago I was surfing Danbooru and I found a touhou comic which had one of the more physically enhanced characters literally bend another character backwards breaking their spine. I have no idea why this thread made me remember that but does anyone else remember seeing that? And if so can you tell me the artist?

I think the context was that Character A was picking on some of the more childlike 2hu's and then Character B appeared off screen, put her hand on her head, and started pushing down.

>>54296793
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/593759?pool_id=1283

By any chance do you mean this exact one?

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>>54296828
Yes that would be exactly what I was looking for. Why I love this board.

>>54280845
> spoiler
Have you ever noticed how basically every faction in Gensokyo has a counter faction except the SDM?
It's said that Zun once stated that he had intended to have a Christian faction centered around a female Shiro Amakusa Tokisada (and he had an actually decent excuse for the genderswap), it's just he reconsidered after considering the fan-reactions to him making a single controversial statement (that he liked Suika more than Flan).
So, long story short, your answer is "Never".

>>54282158
>we all know the few that have returned have nothing to do with their PC-98 selves mostly.
Zun has repetitively stated that the only difference between PC-98 Yuuka and Windows Yuuka is the addition of the surname 'Kazami', which probably isn't even her real name to begin with.
Everything in the PC-98 canon is canon to the Windows games unless directly contradicted by the Windows era games/publications - which amounts to a lot of color changes, and nothing much more because Zun basically never brings up old things outside of the current arc.

>>54282331
>It is confirmed that PC-98 canon has nothing to do with PC-Era canon.
Complete lies. Zun's statement on the PC-98 was
"What happened, happened unless contradicted; but it's best to not think about the past."
He has reiterated this numerous times.

>>54297440
To be fair, he didn't do it back then because it was hot off the heels of the popularity of the SDM crew.

Doing it back then, before any precedent was set, was just asking for trouble. Now that there's precedent with toast and butter so directly clashing, the possibility of a christian faction is way more likely now that the fanbase's sheer fanboyism has been diluted.

>>54297440
So where's Mima then? still in the hakurei shrine? Why didn't Shinki show up in UFO then?

>>54297580
Mima is doing mima things. Who knows.

As for shinki, just because she's the god of makai that doesn't mean she can be everywhere simultaneously. The events of UFO in regards to grabbing byakuren all probably happened in a span of at max 10-20 minutes. She may have simply been on the toilet or some shit like that and not made it in time.

>>54297580
Makai's a big place, and Byakuren wasn't in the actual palace, so she probably just wasn't there / could have gotten there and knew just didn't choose to. I mean, byakuren literally uses one of shinkis attack patterns so thats a fairly dcent clue trhat shinki still exists.

Here's a question- what do people think the twist of HFiFS is going to end up being? As there's the bit about reimu finding some potential link with butterfly hag and komainu and getting a hunch of that to be a hint for what she's doing for her main course of action.

Also _Aunn_ is best demo newhu