/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>54240102
>How many of you fags have played Promethean?
>Who's the main antagonist?

Matt McFarland, also of Beast fame.

Rate my idea for a Changeling PC.

A noble but arrogant professor of history with a love of medieval stuff and fantasy stories, who is admired his students and colleagues but has many troubles with his family. He was taken in by his Keeper by the promise to experience a world just like the ones he so dearly imagined as a coping mechanism. But his Durance ended up being more like something out of Dark Souls than any classic chivalric tale, for the Keeper delighted in breaking spirits to see what people are truly made of and believe in. The professor was turned into a Soldier, and earned his Ogre Seeming by casting away all pretence of escapism and elitism, and beating his dragon Keeper in an epic duel. Now he serves the Summer Court and wants to invent his own version of the chivalric tale to go down in history.

Would any kind anons here happen to have the Demon Translation Guide? It's not in any of the troves and I need those sweet Demon Form options for my game.

>>54240333
I just want Changeling or Geist to be the in the top two and for mage to drop off, I see very little of worth for them in the fucking golden age of piracy.

>>54240257
https://mega.nz/#!hXIiCbLA!oQCewPxXbw2pMSkHR_GDH6YP1-ZnGTr9efTdpWh5usg
Try this, and could someone upload this to the other troves?

>>54240348
Mage has explicit lore set around piracy though, and rogue agents vs order is kind of a big theme for them. How would Changeling fit?

Also, poll update: Mage has overtaken Geist by around 70 votes and is on the track to overtake Changeling.

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>>54240406

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Looks like all the boteres and people voting multiple times (for Mage and Changeling) might blow it for everyone. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/chronicles-of-darkness-dark-eras-2/comments

>>54240559
Changelings being hunted by huntsmen is close enough to pirates being hunted by the Admiralty or Privateer/pirate hunters. Plus the sea would be a great place to hide from the gentry and the like because of the isolation and freedom of movement on top of being able to found freeholds based around ship crews or fleets.

>>54240689
Reasons for voting

Geists: voodoo, ghosts, skeletons n' shit
Mages: actual background lore
Changelings: just because

Yup, Changeling fags are ass.

>>54240707
>Changelings: just because

Hey now, i do have a reason to vote for changeling. So there is less mage around

>>54240707
What background lore?

>>54240780

Have you even read the previous thread?

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>>54240559
in the pirates of the carribean series, the monsters who are not undead are more like changelings. lost at sea, dragged under the waves and returned to the surface changed forever.

and let's face it, PotC is the only thing people think about when the age of sail is raised these days.

>>54240845
Does that answer my question?

>>54240868
Davy Jones and his crew just doesn't strike me as anything Changeling related, sorry.

>>54240869
See >>54230641
There's also Dave's recent comment on the matter over on the OPP forums.

>>54240406

Uploading to my Trove now. Will be done in a moment. Thanks! Also, if you happen to find BtP: Building a Legend please send a link. I'm actually really wanting to read this. It's supposed to explain a lot more of the Primordial Dream in detail.

>>54240868
Man I didn't even think of that when I was thinking of ways to make Changeling work.

>>54240904
Thank you, and yeah, PotC doesn't really strike me as changeling more like... I dunno, really, reminds me more of geist for the first movie, I guess???

>>54240470

Because in WoD, Mages genuinely mean well and are trying to create a better world as they see it. Except the Nephandi, who have sold their assholes to the outer gods.

>>54240955
Also Void Engineers are /ourboys/ and dindu nuffin wrong ever.

>>54240955
The problem is they lose sight of the smaller things. This can make people feel like they are assholes. They could thin the Vampire population, take care of a lot of the stuff that goes bump in the night. But they focus on grander things.

>>54240955
>>54240969
They're like the Templars in AC before the series went to shit.
They're trying to make the world better, but they just go about it in a somewhat dickish way.

>>54241016
>They're trying to make the world better, but they just go about it in a somewhat dickish way.

That's a valid interpretation of all the Orders in Awakening, except the Seers.

>>54241038
>They're trying to make the world better, but they just go about it in a somewhat dickish way.
>That's a valid interpretation of all the Orders in Awakening,

Those are the Lies the Pentacle tells themselves to justify their actions and help them sleep at night.

Remember this the next time you hear the screams from a Mystagogue's laboratory.

>>54241120
Oh come on, not soundproofing your operation theatre is poor vivisection form.
Some of us need our specimens to not expect excruciating pain for accurate results, and don't have immediate access to thought-modification items.

>>54240868
>>54240904
>>54240925

Davy Jones and the Kraken would be more up the alley of Beast, as well as things like sirens.

Changeling would be stuff like Mermaids.

In a perfect world Golden Age of Piracy would be a crossover era between Geist, Beast, Changeling and Mage.

>>54241120
>>54241157
>All Mystagogues vivisect Sleepers for knowledge

You're conflating the Mysterium with the Jnanamukti and the Daksha. I'm not mad, I just don't find this approach believable or funny.

>>54240912
>BtP: Building a Legend
The only person in this thread who could have it is probably that one Anon who backed Beast, but i don't think he much cares for it.

>>54241302
>Daksha
What on earth could a "superior" race like the Daksha ever hope to achieve by vivisecting pig-monkeys like Sleepers?

>>54241305
so I just looked at my copy, since I'm a faggot, and realize the fucking book isn't even 60 pages long, fucking christ.

>>54240147
The reporter?

>>54241328
Sleepers didn't fuck up all of reality, Mages did. Is that really a measure of a master race?

>>54241402
It's the best proof of all, even the fuckups are on a cosmic scale, the likes of which mortals couldn't dream of.

>>54241402
>Sleepers didn't fuck up all of reality, Mages did. Is that really a measure of a master race?

Who else besides mages bends reality to their will alone. You serve the Exarchs and don't even know it. They need not be nice or kind, by they are indeed superior.

>>54241210
>Davy Jones and the Kraken would be more up the alley of Beast, as well as things like sirens.
Beasts just look boring and normal though. All the monsters shown throughout the series that aren't skeletons look exactly like changelings.

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>Disney show suggested setting

Nani the fuck desu, Beast

>>54241487
>A game of TV-Y7 Personal Horror

>>54241455
>>54241458
Are you saying whoever has the Might is inherently Right? I'm sorry, but I think you're better off serving the Raptor or the Prophet.

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>>54241487
You got to start the kiddies young

>>54241535
Might makes Might, I don't see why you have to drag morality into it.

>>54241605
I worry that it'll lead to someone making a pedophile beast. because of course it would, that's what happens in beast, according to its fucking creator.

>>54241606
Because it makes for a boring character if that is the whole of their philosophical beliefs.

Besides, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Not everyone who proudly shouts "Might Makes Right!" understands that.

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We suggest you buy our book and watch a FUCKING TIM BURTON FILM for beast inspiration :)

>>54241626
Give proof or you're full of shit.

>>54241690
I mean, yeah I'm full of shit, I was being hyperbolic over the playtest he did and how they where all monsters.

>>54241402
If you set out to murder someone and enslave their family, and then murder them and enslave their family, then that's not a fuckup, that's you doing exactly what you meant to. Sure, your new slaves might disagree, but that's why you keep them away from the weapons, and throw them trinkets whenever they sell each other out to you.

Unless you're talking about something other than the Exarchs here?

What can the Exarchs actually do other than crap out huge loads of Ochemata?

Are they pure plot-device?

>>54240969

Could they? Remember, this isn't awakening where Consequences are easy to cheat.

>>54241726
My point about Might Makes Right is essentialy covered in >>54241673.

>>54241487

This is from the new sourcebook?

>>54241764
Well, no, I fully agree with you. I'm just noting that it's not a fuckup if that was, in fact, your whole end-goal.

If you plan on being a terrible person and are a terrible person, then you succeeded. You're still a terrible person, but that's completely unrelated.

>>54241685

Fuck you, burton's batman was dynamite

>>54241803
I'm not saying it wasn't but for BEAST, fuck off man.You really want them "associated" with each other?

>>54241781
Heeeell yea my man.

>>54241787
Then your argument makes sense. Carry on, friend.

>>54241830
It's not that they'll be associated. It's that both Batman and Beasts have a dark hunger which they nominally try to put to a good use, with varying levels of success and acceptance.

>>54241900
>Batman
>Dark Hunger
so he's a rich playboy who has jungle fever?

>>54238874
>>http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/post/56658099133/queer-codedqueer-coding

Well, i got aids now....."thanks" anon for that

>>54241919
I don't get the joke, sorry. I was referring to a hypothetical Beast!Batman's Hunger for Punishment, which he Feeds by fighting crime.

>>54241830

Yeah I heard they had some setting ideas like Gotham and Stephen King's Maine and Lovecraft. I cannot wait to actually read it.

>>54241953
>What is jungle fever?
this your first day on the internet isn't it? Well the porn is over there. please feel free to google and fap

>>54241932
From the name, it suggests that it's about programming really gay computers, but I'm guessing it's far more retarded.

>>54241953
He's saying Batman/Beasts wanna fuck black women

>>54242005
Its about making villains seem queer or have stereotypical queer characteristics to make them off putting. I thought it was going to be something a lot worse.

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>>54241919

>Must Kill The Batman

>>54242129
We'll kill the Bantam with this naked man and a gun.

>>54242129
This joke is getting old. How about...

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>>54242165
>We'll kill the Bantam with this naked man and a gun

Gun or no gun, I wouldn't fuck with Swole Jawa. He's so impressive that he doesn't even need pants.

>>54242309
Pants serve the Lie

>>54242309
He's probably wearing a thong. You just can't see it.

>>54241738
Yes. They give prelacies, answers through signs around the seers, artifacts and all these bullshit.

They are kinda rulers of the universe. They don't need to do much. On Seer's book it's even questioned if Exarchs even care and they speculate it's just a bunch of Archmages pretending to be them.

Also, on "Night Horrors: The unbidden" book talks about a mysterious Wind that's actually a fragmentes mind of a Exarch who tried to go back to the fallen world, but the Abyss destroyed him into tiny pieces. I use this Wind on my metaplot.

>>54242119

I read the rest of the post....fuuuck.

>>54241919

You're thinking of Buttman

>>54242359
I just don't see what the problem is

>>54242005

Bag, you're getting a Swell

>>54242129
Just to show you how bad this art is? I showed this to a friend of mine who doesn't WoD and her first response was 'What is this awful Batman fan art?'

So good job, OPP.

>>54241487

>Gotham City a suggested setting for CofD inspiration

I guess Aspel finally got to write for CofD after all.

>>54242521

I miss Aspel

>>54242575
>I miss Aspel

>Blasphemy!

>>54242631
But once Aspel left the Magefags came in full force.

Truly Aspel was the gatekeeper and we made a grave mistake by driving that creature away.

>>54242575
>>54242646

They didn't go anywhere, they're just on Twitter if you can find them.

>you unknowingly snag the last cinnamon roll on display from a mage

What happens?

>>54242887

Dead

>>54242887
>What happens?

You are the cinnamon roll now

>>54242941
>Dead

They would beg for such mercy.

>Can cast Apocalypse, and am not afraid to use it

>>54240868
>PotC is the only thing people think about when the age of sail is raised these days.
Hey now, I think about Alestorm.

these threads were better with the old namefags

Feedback requested on the following homebrewed Supernatural Merits.

Forge Elemental (•••••)
Prerequisite: Psychokinesis (•••••)
Effect: You may give a measure of independence to a patch of your chosen element. After activating Psychokinesis, you may roll Intelligence + Crafts or Medicine to turn the patch into a temporary Retainer with a dot rating equal to Successes on the Resolve + Occult roll (maximum 5) as an instant action, which is usually humanoid but may have other forms. They obey a number of simple commands for one scene equal to your Resolve + Occult (e.g. attack that person, steal that object, protect this building). They roll Retainer dots x 2 for carrying out these commands. Health and Speed are equal to Retainer x 2, while Defense and Initiative are equal to just Retainer. They are immune to bashing damage and Tilts related to their element, but filling their Health with lethal damage or exposing them to an opposing element destroys them immediately (e.g. water for fire, rubber for electricity, fire for ice). Note that carrying out ambiguous commands reduces this dice pool to just their Retainer dots, and that they will only communicate if instructed to do so (which they do by shaping their element). They are also considered to have Psychokinesis 3 for the element that composes them, which they may use to alter themselves or an external instance of the element, with their Retainer dots x 2 as a dice pool (they must be instructed to do so, and how). Each such elemental after the first costs an additional point of Willpower to create. You may have a number of elementals active equal to your Resolve.

Drawback: When the elementals fail at carrying out ambiguous instructions, their rolls are downgraded into Dramatic Failures.

[Continued In The Next Post]

>>54243431
Forge Elemental (Advanced, • to •••••)
Prerequisite: Resolve •••, Occult ••, Forge Elemental
Effect: You may have [Resolve x your rating in this Merit] elementals active at any time, and each point of Willpower spent creates [highest between Resolve and dots in this Merit] elementals. Your elementals may now last for a number of extra scenes equal to your dots in this Merit.
Drawback: Each additional scene inflicts one lethal damage.

Forge Elemental (Epic, • to •••••)
Prerequisite: Resolve •••, Occult ••, Forge Elemental (Advanced, Equal Or Higher Level)
Effect: Each elemental is considered to have Psychokinesis 5 for the element that composes them. You may also spend an additional point of Willpower and roll Resolve + Occult, with Success allowing you to bestow a number of additional Supernatural Merits to all your elementals equal to your dots in this Merit, which cannot be Advanced or Epic. You must have these additional Supernatural Merits yourself, the elementals will have the same rating as you and roll Retainer x 2 to use them.

What the fuck, Geist is losing on the Pirates poll.

>>54243350
I typically think of shit I learned from documentary's.... And assassins creed or Seventh Sea. I like pirates.

>>54243455
It's really bad. Changeling fags are desperate at this point.

>>54243489
It's a good game, good enough to get extra books instead of... one.

>>54242774
He can't possibly be using his real surname on the internet, right.

https://twitter.com/Rory__Walker

>>54243489

As long as mage doesnt win

>>54243793

As long as changeling doesn't win

I just want to be a ghost pirate.

>>54243787
>https://curiouscat.me/RoryWalker

>Aspel is an anarchist
Wut

>>54243816

Geist supremacy!

>>54243489
>>54243604
It's like trying to steal food away from a starving orphan. Geist is the most starved gameline of CofD, I'd be content with this being the only stretch goal era for the gameline just so it can get back the chance it was denied in the last Dark Eras book.

I know things have been rough with the CtL2 Hill incident. But the book is almost out and it doesn't look bad, you're even getting an Anthology and Hedge book with it.

I know magefags suck, but I'd rather them win than fucking changeling whores.

Geist deserves it the most.

>>54243858

So does that mean that like all the other OPP "anarchist" he will move to japan?

>>54243787

Pretty sure it's just a handle. Either way it seems like they're thriving on Twitter so I wish them the best. I'll take a thousand posts about Mage supremacy if I never have to see them post in the thread again.

>>54243787
Oh yeah that's their twitter and possibly aspel since they're trendy trans.

>>54244008
>possibly

https://curiouscat.me/RoryWalker/post/163180229
>>How are you so patient for idiot's endless bullshit? How did you get to be so damn cool?
>I was an SJW on 4chan for like ten years.
>Although really it's less patience and more an untreated neurotic obsession with arguing and an inability to pull myself away from anything without a clear break point.
>I have no advice on being cool, as I am not.

>>54243880
That would require being employed and leaving his parent's basement.

>>54240955
Have we been reading the same books? I mean sure on paper each of the orders wants something good, but nothing about becoming a mage makes any one individual any less petty greedy selfish and so on then a normal human.

>>54244025
Oh no I mean possibly actually their face, I doubt it but, I mean you know.... then again he's on /soc/ a lot so there probably are pictures of him.

>>54243787
>They have a patreon
It's just so... sad, not in the "I feel bad for them" way in the, "What a pathetic thing." way.

>>54244157

19 bucks a month isn't so bad. That's like one free fancy lunch a month, or a one free Monkey Island Rule video game.

>>54244083
He's a fat 'twinky Gabe Newell' so, no.

>>54244225
Gross.

There's a big fucking centipede in my house. It's legs are longer than its body and it creeps me the fuck out. It's like three inches long.

If I was a mage, what would be the best way to deal with it?

Life 1 or Mind 1 to simply tell it to go away. Anything else is asking for collateral damage.

>>54244376

Life 2, help it find its way outside so it can live as far away from you as possible.

>>54244376
Practice of Unmaking

Only way to be safe.

>>54244376

I hate bugs.

I would settle for nothing less than eradicating it using Forces 5.

>>54244376
Step on it it with some big ol boots on since using magic for something you could easily do on your own is fuuuuuucking dumb.

>>54240868
That is a just a thin veneer of an excuse to justify changeling. "they are taken by x and changed" is not all there is to making a Changeling. Every fucking monster in WoD is a mortal taken by something and changed into something else.

>>54244655
Didn't you read. The thing sounds like an abyssal horror.

>>54240955
The technocracy yes. But the traditions are trying to bring humanity back to the dark ages, for the sake of mages and mages alone.

>>54244668
Not demons.

>>54244677
It's just a fucking bug.

>>54244655

What's the point of having incredible reality bending power if you cannot use it to destroy large insects and vampires?

>>54244714
To ascend out of the false reality and join the god head and Sophia in the real world.... and to shit on the demiurge.

>>54244733
The fact that Mages could do that but don't is the core dilemma of the setting.

>tfw you could become God but instead you smoke leeches with Forces and Correspondence.

>>54244779
Yeah, that's why I play a fucking guardian with HEAVY magical moderation views. only 1 paradox roll over 20+ games

>>54244811

How are you supposed to kill vampires if you're not willing to over-Reach every now and again?

>>54244857
By being smart?

>>54244043
The keyword is human.

This is a universe about playing monsters. Straight up, man eating, dogfucking, allegory for sexual abuse monsters. Mages, next to Hunters, are the least monstrous (initially). Mages, next to Werewolves, have the most classically heroic reason to fight. Unlike (old) Werewolves, they didn't commit genocide to get there. The main oMage antagonists are the most relatable of the oWoD, next to positive potrayals of the Sabbat.

"Humans are the real monsters" loses its fangs as a lesson when near every other splat has you do monstrous things as a matter of course.

>>54244025
He's a tranny, they thrive on confrontation and drama. Part of the whole gender dysphoria thing is the drama and pain it generates, it's all about attention, and the more the better, positive/negative it doesn't make a diff.

>>54244713
Even demons. They are somehow taken by the mundane world and changed from the perfectly obedient constructs they once were.

Could you use either Matter 1 or Spirit 1 to fly a pontoon plane?

We need to get over to a nearby island but no one is a pilot. The cabal has access to 1 dot in both matter and spirit and I think we can do it in theory (Matter 1 remote control spell to fly us where we want to go or Spirit 1 to awaken the planes spirit to fly us there)

Seem reasonable?

>>54245383
>Thinking you can do anything with 1 dot in a Sphere aside from seeing the purview of that sphere.
For what you want Anon, you need 3 dots at least. And Matter isn't what you'd use to remote control an object, that would be Forces.

>>54245403
We're playing awakening.

>>54245425
You're still not going to be creating spirits to telekinesising things with only 1 dot.

>>54245383
Don't listen to >>54245403, he's an idiot.
Matter 1 should be sufficient, just maintain the Remote Control spell with the +1 Reach option to perform the extended task of flying it where it needs to go.

Of course it'll be a bumpy, uncomfortable ride, as you're continuously barely scraping by with the 1 success minimum, but you'll get there.

>>54245441
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind for next session. What about Spirit 1? Awakening slumbering resonance seems really powerful on paper but we really haven't used it at all.

To be honest I'm not sure what we can actually do with it.

>>54245441
Nigga you can not control objects with Matter 1.
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_(MTAw)
Creative Thaumaturgy gives a pretty clear outline on what sphere rank can do what.

>>54245480
Spirit 1, unlike Matter 1, can only compel short bursts of action from a slumbering Spirit.

It's also worth noting that when cast on non-living entities, you stir the Spirit itself, not the item.
So the Spirit would then in it's Instant Action, have to exert control enough to cause the item to work, which would take a dice pool to pull off.
So you could get the engine to start, or the door to unlock, but you couldn't maintain the spell to fly it all the way there.

Of course, it's very helpful when you want to do something like make a gun eject it's mag.

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>>54245503
This ain't your granddaddy's Ascension, son, this is Awakening.
No spheres, just Arcana.

So what do high rank spirits/gods actually *do*?

Is it just "fuck off, I'm eating" or do they have some sort of choir duties, responding to prayers from their purview, like Luna establishing some rites for Werewolves or ordering the Lunes around?

I know they're not supposed to be able to enter the Material as it can't support them, but are there any book sections on what happens if one does? (ASide from that rank 6 idigam, anyway.)

>>54245517
It seems ridiculously versatile. Like I could cause a riot at a rowdy biker bar and power up an attack submarine all with the same spell.

>>54245532

How does that work with opposition? Like trying to make a car shift gears when a human is driving it and can physically oppose the movements?

>>54245544
Plot happens, Anon. Plot happens.
No Rank 6+ entity just enters reality.
There's always a plot, a plan, and a network of disciples.

That being said, likely everyone shits themselves in fear.
Especially Mages.
As their powers don't directly work on Rank 6+ entities.

As an old veteran of 1e Awakening, what can I expect if I make the jump to 2e?

From what I've heard there's waaay more overlap between arcana which is one of the things I'm pretty against (looking at you Mind and your "totally not spirit" spirit summons).

>>54245517
I wouldn't say you could unlock a door with Spirit 1 because you're compelling a spirit into doing something it would want to do to begin with. And a spirit of locks would want to stay locked.

However, if you had a key, even if it doesn't match the lock, you could compel the key spirit to unlock the way for you.

Just my two cents.

>>54245608
Attainments aren't just for legacies anymore.

A bit of a power boost.

More thematics. Mages feel a bit more like people who are worming their way through the cracks of reality now, desperately searching for truth.

Oh, and you'll actually advance with the new beats vs the old xp system. Not quickly, but you will.

Isn't forcing a spirit to do something a 3 dot spell?

Also wouldn't the spirit you're stirring generally be pretty fucking weak if it hasn't even properly formed itself in the shadow prior to your spells? On top of that to directly affect the object it needs to contend with the gauntlet as well.

>>54245595
>As their powers don't directly work on Rank 6+ entities
This really depends on the Rank 6+ entity in question.

Just look at the recent tidbit regarding the True Fae.

>>54245704

It would have been nice if the new corebook included some guidelines for creating new Arcana attainments, as well as indicating what the XP cost would be to learn additional Arcana attainments.

Sadly, Dave also mentioned that this info will not be in Signs of Sorcery (if we even see the supplement any time soon).

>>54245709
Making a spirit to do something is a two dot spell and is hubris. Coercion, strong-arming, or bullying them however is not only ok it's encouraged.

It's not really a spirit you're compelling more the resonance that could birth a spirit.

>>54245731
Couldn't a Moros just one-shot the True Fae by making temporary Cold Iron from the air surrounding it?

I don't think you could Unmake the Gentry, similar to the rules against Unmaking Idigam, but their weaknesses/bans are fair game.

>>54245731
That's because to enter the real world, they have to assume weaker, shitty identities.

>>54245839
Turning a solid to an aerosol and vice versa is rank 4 or 5 isnt it?

Also don't you only really come in contact with the actors of the True Fae and they have so many titles it involves you having to kill so many different types with different powers.

>>54245881
Phase change is 3 dot transmutation is 4 dot. I'm not sure if you can directly transmute air into siderite at the adept level. A master could create some but it wouldn't be lasting.

>>54245881
2e True Fae seem a bit easy to kill using Mage mechanics, assuming they're not within the Hedge/Arcadia.

They're still freakishly strong.

>>54245881
Turning any non-living matter into any other non-living matter is Matter 4.

>>54240147

Really? Black hat Matt?

>>54245105

Well in oWoD mage the antagonists were the good guys imho. The traditions acted purely self interested and had no concept to prevent the Chaos that reigned before the current paradigm came to be.

In oWoD werewolf both sides were shit with a fucked up future for humanity. There were at least parts of Pentex with vague ideas how to save humanity in case the Wyrm wins.

In Masquerade the Anarchs were presented as the good guys. In my book the Cam was the only viable option though. The Anarchs were far to deorganized to preserve the Masquerade and prevent a Vamp vs. Humanity war.

>>54246219
To play the devil's advocate, from their current position of humility, it's possible the Traditions would indeed be much more moral were there a resurgence of the old Paradigm-less reality, which would combine the freedom to act unrestricted by Paradox with the lack of dire immediacy which must push them to total jackassery.

However such a thing would also be possible for the Technocracy if they weren't constantly beset on all sides by forces which want to butt-fuck reality inside out.

>>54245574
I would rule that the opposing entity makes a strength+drive check vs. the Mage with their successes taking away successes from the Mage.

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>>54246261
My honest opinion is that the Traditions wasted their shoot. They had ample opportunities to help humanity.

The Order of Reason only had the best intenions and degenerated into its current state.

If the paradigm would shift again shit would be really fucked. First a wave of terror hunting remnants of the old order. And after that a bunch of traditions at each others throat. Without a common enemy every tradition would be hellbent on shaping the paradigm their way.

>>54240660
>Looks like all the boteres and people voting multiple times (for Mage and Changeling) might blow it for everyone.
Are you implying that Geist fans aren't doing that too or in their case you don't care?

>>54241210
>Davy Jones and the Kraken would be more up the alley of Beast, as well as things like sirens.
Yeah, but everybody hates Beasts, so...

>>54242330
Yeah. Imbued Thong of Power.

>>54243350
>Hey now, I think about Alestorm.
Great taste, Anon.

>>54243793
>>54243816
Geist supremacy!

>>54244376
>If I was a mage, what would be the best way to deal with it?
Turn it into lawn chair.

>>54245532
I agree with the spell allowing you to control the plane, but it seems more like allowing you to do things you know how to do at distance, not doing things you don't know how.

>>54245383
What other arcanas do you have available?

>>54246380
They never really got a solid shot. But what you're describing sounds like the Unnamed's ending, but without him actually doing anything to push it along and the giant outer gods wandering inside the tellurian.

>>54246307
https://mega.nz/fm/ofxznChQ

>>54246759
Do you have a short recap of
the ToJ scenarios, a website or something.

After the Gehenna trainwreck (withering in general and the wormwood scenarios especially were beyond retarded) i avoided the rest of the ToJ supplements except Apocalypse.

>>54246496
>not doing things you don't know how
The spell talks about making objects fulfil their function.
So long as you have a rough idea that the function exists (use Craftman's Eye for that), you can compel it to act accordingly.

>>54246812
With such logic you could use it on a knife to kill people, because it's its function too.
Flying plane isn't just putting it in air and done, you need to change position of flaps and operate choke valve, otherwise it will fly into ground.
>making it fulfill its function
Function is just flying, flying correctly is something completely different. Similarly Craftsman's eye will tell you just which button does what, it doesn't turn you into pilot.

>>54240102
In Promethean the 'main antagonist' is yourself/your destiny.

You will overcome your own limits. And 'fate' itself is going to beat you into the dirt just to test you and make sure you have earned becoming a real boy instead of a monster.

Doesn't lend itself to that epic end game, but that's why it is the best solo game.

>>54242129
So, the Adamantine Arrow prepares to fight a Beast that terrorizes the city with its Hunger for punishment?

>>54246928
If it's a self-flying knife with jet propulsion, sure, you could do that.

What so fucking pisses me off is that for two days Mage and Geist were the leaders in the poll with no obvious vote bloating. Than Changelingfags couldn't handle that their precious splat wouldn't get there and now, despite the bloat seem to lead and one of the splats that are actually relevant to the era might not make it.

I'm really hoping that the poll is restarted, so that we can really see which splats truly deserve the era. Somehow I doubt it will be Changeling.

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>>54246928
A knife isn't a mechanical object, you dunce. And I would actually say that the plane would fly itself correctly, because this is magic and logic doesn't factor into it. Seriously, magic is magic. You're calling on the power of Stygia, the realm of THINGS, to make this plane fly itself. Stygia isn't going to come all the way across the Abyss and just say "Alright, but I have no clue what I'm doing here so you gotta help me out. How do I fly this thing? What, you thought I would know?"

Likewise, you don't need an intricate knowledge of electricity and how it interacts with digital devices to hack them using Forces. You don't need to know just how the light bends to turn yourself invisible. You don't need to be an expert on Biology to shapeshift. It's fucking magic, son. It doesn't care about your nitpicky logic, and it doesn't stop being magic just because you're using it to do something as mundane as make a plane fly itself.

>>54247277
Not who you were responding to but thank you for outlining why I prefer Ascension. It's nice having reason put behind why things work.

>>54247300
And isn't that reason just reality warping according to how you believe it should work?

>>54247300
>It's nice having reason put behind why things work.
Except for all of the non-scientific traditions which because of those retarded rules are forced to follow a view of reality they disagree with.

And justify tests based on principles enforced by the consensus.

>>54247318
>>54247318

It's more the fact you better have an outlined personal philosophy on what you believe and what your belief is capable of and what it isnt.

It's not just a fun bag of "I can do whatever because magic yo". You gotta come up with all the cool mechanics of what each of your spells do and act it out.

>>54247367
>It's more the fact you better have an outlined personal philosophy on what you believe and what your belief is capable of and what it isnt.
So, yeah. Exactly what I said. Reality warping according to how you believe it should work.

>It's not just a fun bag of "I can do whatever because magic yo".
Not what I said, but whatever.

>>54247277
>It's fucking magic, son. It doesn't care about your nitpicky logic, and it doesn't stop being magic just because you're using it to do something as mundane as make a plane fly itself.
It's remote control, it allows you to operate moving parts of airplane at distance, not turn it into AI operated drone, you sperg.

>>54247460
Don't let the name fool you, if you actually read the spell, it automatically tests, gaining successes for you equal to Potency.

Which may be many more successes than you could ever actually achieve yourself.

Sure it's not A.I. as it can't do what you don't tell it to do, but it's not really "you" aiming the guns on the tank, cracking the safe, or starting the car. It's the item itself, fulfilling a specified purpose, as Compelled by your Magic.

So yes, Matter 1 can automatically unlock the world's most complicated and advanced mechanical safe. With a single success on the casting roll.

>>54247460
It's fulfilling its function, flying. I'm saying that trying to argue from a point of logic (that you need to know how to fly it) is pretty irrelevant, because it's magic.

>>54244043

>Orders
>Ascension

>>54244693

Jesus fuck i want this meme to die. If that were true, the Adepts and Sons of Ether would have never joined the Traditions. The only Tradition that really wants that is the Verbena and there' no way in hell it's happening.

The technocracy may want to kill all the monsters, but at the price of turning the world into a 1984-esque police state. Without freedom, life isn't really as worthwhile and Magick - including the technocracy's super-science - will die.

>>54247538
Which interestingly, is the exact opposite of what they're going for.
They honestly want to preserve mankind's inquisitive spirit, along the right channels.
But by shutting down so many fantastical avenues, and by getting really unlucky and getting a bad crop of a fucking race, they decide to stagnate.

Until they get over themselves, stop living in the 90s, and put out the Revised Convention books, and it's finally good again.

>>54247538
Oh please. The traditions had their fair share in creating the stagnant paradigm. The Order of Hermes was so horrible that the Order of Reason formed. The Order of Reason was constantly victimized and once they gained control the War broke out. The War enabled the totalitarian bent the TU has today. Negotiations and a peace deal could have ensured a certain way of coexistence with the technos. That would have prevented or at least delayed the stasis.

>>54240969
see
>>54247538

In order to get rid of all the monsters, the price would be turning the world into a totalitarian dictatorship. In the end, it's not really worth it. It's fitting that the only way to fight the monsters and win is to become a monster oneself.

>>54247676
If we're going to apply past sins to the present, no one is innocent. Look at Robert Davenport - he's the evils of the Union coming back to haunt them. And thinking the Early Trads could negotiate with a group that included the Gabrielites? Forget it.

>>54247538
>Without freedom, life isn't really as worthwhile
Nice meme. Tell that to the dragons that will eat you when the Order of Hermes gets their way, or to the spirits that devour you when the Dreamspeakers enforce their twisted paradigm unto the world

>>54246776
>https://mega.nz/fm/ofxznChQ

>Empty Cloud Drive

>>54247708

>There is no middle ground

How's that Technocratic Kool-aid?

Looks like Geist is back over Mage. Still too bad about Changeling.

>>54247789
>Looks like Geist is back over Mage. Still too bad about Changeling.

I doubt OPP is going to rely on the poll. They indicated they were fully aware of the spamming problem. I'm curious to hear what solution they propose.

Isn't the DE2 Kickstarter funding much more slowly than other major CofD porjects?

>>54247847
In the case of this era, I would honestly prefer if they maybe increased the stretch goal to 60 000 or so and added Mage, Geist AND Changeling, if they don't decide to restart the poll completely.

>>54247708
This.

>>54247765
Oh please. The world was shitty when traditions reigned surpreme. And the ball in finding some middle ground clearly was in the Traditions court.

>>54247847

Possibly a 3-splat solution?

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>>54247847
>mfw they decide to pick a splat that didn't try to cheat the poll and we end with pirate werewolves

>>54247916

And the world is still shitty with the technocrats on top. I know it's hard to see it in the Ivory Tower, but the union has enabled and encouraged just as much human evil as the Traditions tolerated from "monsters." Remind me which faction's leadership decided to support Torquemada, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong?

>>54247952

The problem with the Golden age of Piracy is there's so many good choices. Even Vampire has a bloodline of sea pirates.

"Sea Dogs" would honestly be my third choice after Geist(Ghost Pirates) and Mage(Nassau).

Zomg that poll starts to piss me. Someone is boosting Mage and doesn't even try to be subtle like I do with Geist, slowly one vote in about 2 minutes. I just hope that the poor SOB doesn't do it manually.

>>54247897
>In the case of this era, I would honestly prefer if they maybe increased the stretch goal to 60 000 or so and added Mage, Geist AND Changeling, if they don't decide to restart the poll completely.

If you reward bad behavior, you get more bad behavior.

If I was OPP, I would announce that Golden Age of Piracy is now a Beast / Demon crossover.

It's getting pretty close now. Hopefully Mage and Geist wind up in the top two.

>>54248004
Not too big on pirates d e s u and I couldn't care less about who gets that era, except for Changeling
It would piss me off because Changeling deserves so much better than pirates

>>54248141
What's wrong with pirates?

>>54248084
>If I was OPP, I would announce that Golden Age of Piracy is now a Beast / Demon crossover.

Considering beasts and demons are not "family," that crossover might *almost* be interesting.

>>54248165
Personal taste
I find them a bit boring and also very beaten into the ground
The things you can do with pirates are kinda limited
Then again, some from time to time can be fun, but an exclusive focus on them ... I think I'll pass

So what would the Mage Orders be like during the Golden Age of Piracy?

>>54248203
Same as usual
A bunch of twats

>>54248203
I'm not going to write their fucking book for them.

>>54248203

The same, just with more eye patches, parrots, and people calling each other "matey."

>Shiver me timbers

>>54248004
The Traditions also supported Hitler and Stalin, and the Chorus supported Torquemada. YOur point? The world the traditions would create is even less egalitarian, since only those with magicl power would have any say on their destiny. With the Technocracy, every single human being inside their paradigm can live a stable and safe life, provided no Reality Deviants interfer. Which still happens, but this is a problem the Union adresses

>>54248203
Has the Mysterium already been formed?

>>54248266
This. The Traditions in their core are going to create a Magocracy thats even more miserable. With the current paradigm a good chunk of the human population has possibilities to rise into positions of Power.

>>54248277
Well, it should be since it was formed way back when Atlantis was around.

>>54248357
Yes, but it split into the Pancryptiates and the Keepers of the Word until they were reunificated. Did that already happen? I don't think there was a specific date given for that

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>>54248376
The Diamond Orders are spiritual successors to purported classes of the Atlantean society. Not actual pre-Fall groups that somehow managed to survive.

>>54248547
Go back to your containment board, frogposter

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>>54248731
frogs are beasts

>>54248923
What would be the Hunger of Beast-Kek?

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>>54248936
Memes

Vampire the Masquerade is the only game line to get adaptations made of it. Face it, VTM is the only game line that matters

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>>54248978

>>54248978
Wasn't there recently some WtA game?

>>54248978

There's more to trolling than just acting stupid.

>>54249004
That's not out yet and will most likely be cancelled

>>54248978
video games are for losers
Requiem stronk

>>54249084

>Requiem

Nah friendo.

Requiem has some cool stuff but Masquerade (setting-wise) is the better setting. Import some Requiem elements and its top notch. The other way around you have to do much more work to get a similiar result.

For example:

Just give your Anarchs a Carthian bend and introduce some more ambiguity with the Creation myths.

>>54248266

The Council has learned from it's mistakes. Why do you think they encourage the spread of Hedge Magic?

Certainly, it's not the same as being Awakened, but Extraordinary Citizens aren't Enlightened either. There will always be trailblazers and those who dare to follow.

And then there's the Masses.

>>54247952

Pirate Mummies

>>54247538
>The technocracy may want to kill all the monsters, but at the price of turning the world into a 1984-esque police state. Without freedom, life isn't really as worthwhile and Magick - including the technocracy's super-science - will die.

Or just enjoy how things turn out in revised. No more ascension war so now traditions mages are awakened with power in a world that mostly leaves them alone. You got magical power and plumbing! Why try to become to dominant paradigm? Let the technocracy do all the work and just concentrate in reaping the benefits.

>>54249383

The union was just as much a shambles as of revised.

>>54249413
>The union was just as much a shambles as of revised.

Yes but the lower rank of the traditions got themselves the sweetest of deals. No more war, and the technocracy is handling all the plumbing/reality stuff so they are kinda free to do whatever they want.

>>54249147
You got it reversed mate
There are some great clans, great plot hooks and tidbits from Masquerade that any DM worth their salt should include in their Requiem setting, but the static, end of the world metaplot and the out-of-control power levels of Masquerade are complete and utter dog shit
Vampires are more interesting as conflicted monsters than as goth superheroes, unless you're twelve

To people who have actually read 1000 yeas of night, is there anything about how elders cope with feeding limitations? Or what they do about their ghouls when they need to torpor?

>>54249328
What are mummies even supposed to do ?
>inb4 tuck you in, sing you a lullaby and kiss you good night

>>54249637
>What are mummies even supposed to do ?

They could just wank and still deserve it more than mages.

Can anyone recommend a guide I can follow to GM Vampire: The Requiem or other Chronicles of Darkness games, as someone who has only ever GM'd 5e games before?

How fucked am i?

>>54249631
>Or what they do about their ghouls when they need to torpor?

The ghoul dies, normally, this is so clear it doesn't need to be said. This is why ancient ghouls are so rare.

The few ones who survive either change domitors or become part of those ghoul groups who abduct vampires, stack them and feed on them.

>>54249328
But I voted for mummies three times for the hell of it.

>>54249711
Have your players only played 5e too?

>>54248004
>"Sea Dogs" would honestly be my third choice after Geist(Ghost Pirates) and Mage(Nassau).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sdxhuCN6c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssPDRw87Gts

>>54249711
>Can anyone recommend a guide I can follow to GM Vampire: The Requiem or other Chronicles of Darkness games, as someone who has only ever GM'd 5e games before?

What you looking for? A guide to the social structure of the setting? A guide to characterization of the vampire condition?

>>54249682
I was under the impression that mummies were kinda lazily tugging their humongous semis on their own while mages were more furiously jacking each other's diamond hard micropeens and trying to cum in other splats' eyes

>>54248978
VtM is my favourite, but let's be honest something being more popular doesn't make it better.

>>54249737

Yes. We most of us haven't touched tabletop games until a year ago. We've done a few 5e campaigns together, but I really wanted to run my own Vampire: The Requiem game. I read up on it, but I haven't touched the CofD core book yet. Just Requiem. (2nd edition I think? Can't check right now)

Then they started asking about mages and werewolves and hunters and shit and I realized I'm gonna have to study a lot more shit.

>>54249750

Just a sort of crash course to setting up a CofD game really? I think I can figure out the nuances on my own. Just feels like a vig undertaking in general. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

>>54249830
You don't need to study about mages and werewolves because let's be honest : vampires don't know jack shit about other supernaturals
Sure you might get the odd scholar that dabbles in the occult and has had the occasion of encountering or studying other weirdos, but the vast majority of vampires is scared shitless of the ones they can see (werewolves, mages) and completely oblivious to the stuff that doesn't compete with them or isn't easily identifiable (demons, changelings, geists, etc ...)
For beginner players, it's best to leave them in the dark (so to speak) and just hint that there are other things, and you should stay away from them
Their characters shouldn't learn anything substantial and true about other supernaturals before they gain a substantial amount of experience

>>54249830
First advice, don't mix splats until you all have a lot of experience both with the line and roleplaying in general. Better yet, don't mix splats at all. If it's a vampire game, all players are vampires and most npcs are humans or vampires. Werewolf games are about humans, fera and wyrm monsters (if those exist in the new WoD), etc.

Decide what your group will enjoy more and play that for a while. You can try the rest later. Some splats have subgroups that to some degree cover the niche of other splats. For example, if everyone wants vampires but John prefers werewolves, maybe John can play a Gangrel and enjoy vampires as much as the rest.

As a DM, you can sometimes add other splats as antagonists or, more rarely, friendly NPCs. You don't need to use the splat rules, it's probably better to use the rules for the game you're playing. I think nWoD books help you to do that like the old one did.

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Could you recommend me some decent vampire-themed fiction to read, /wodg/?

>>54249830
>Just a sort of crash course to setting up a CofD game really?

Read actual plays? If you wanna know how Requiem social structure works the first chapter of Dammation City got you covered, the covenants book (NOT secrets of the covenants, which is a piece of shit) will cover how each covenant work.

Chronicle guide has some advice on how to run stuff but its usefulness depends on how new your are.

>>54249620
>out of control powerlevels

My chronic is in Europe and i just have American age levels. The two World Wars are a perfect justification for most Metusaleh and older Elders to go underground.

>Metaplot:

Big whoop just don't use it. Thats a no brainer.

>conflicts monsters

Nah. My Vamps are not Heroes with fangs but the whole personal Horror shtick is pretty light. Its more about politics for me.

My Humanity is somewhat modified. For example stealing and damaging property only matters for the high levels. Except depraved shit like stealing from starving people etc.

Same with killing in self defense.

>>54249982
>>54249995

This is what I need to hear. Ok. I'll keep it just Vampire for this campaign. Maybe experiment with an NPC from another splat.

Do I need to read the CofD core books before I do anything else?

>>54249715
If your ghoul is loyal enough can you trust them to feed & then drink form you in torpor?

>>54250203
I think 2e requiem is pretty self contained, id look at the core book though incase it misses something.

>>54250203
>>54250430
If Requiem is like any of the other CofD books do need the core book for the actual character building + skills and merit lists.

>>54250203
You don't even need the CofD book, but they're always handy
You might want to try and pick up Night Horrors : The Wicked Dead, it has some pretty neat "competitors" for the vampires, supernaturals that are close to vamps and can bring interesting plot hooks
If you're interested I can provide a link

I've been reading the books, and i still don't get WoD, is there a better place to start looking at this RPG ?

I feel like i'm retarded..

>>54250663
Nah man. Jumping from D&D to WoD is a bit jarring. Just browse through the book at your leisure for now, don't try to "learn the system" right away. Get a better grasp of the setting before the mechanics.

>>54250602
>>54250203
As a matter of fact, you don't "need" all of this, but there's some nice reads, inspiration and explanations about vampolitics
The Unquiet Dead in particular, can supply on-the-go NPCs, which I always find useful

https://we (dot) tl/yQKSmERsG7

anyone who wants, help yourself

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>mfw I ask a stupid question in /wodg/ and everything turns out better than expected.

Thanks for the help. I'm gonna check out the Core book and leave it at that for now. Try avoid getting too fancy.

>>54250116
So we agree Requiem is better.
Better Mechanics
Better Setting

>>54250034
The first Necroscope books

>>54250406
You can but you should not. If he's so loyal it's better for him to not know where you are, to be honest. Give him the task of killing the servant who hid you and does know where you sleep.

There's just to much ways for other vampires to bully, torture, dominate, manipulate, etc. other mortals, even a very old and loyal ghoul. If he's so loyal and wants to live forever just embrace the guy, if not let him be alone for the little time he has.

>>54251139
But it doesn't have a setting.

>>54249769
>Mages
>micropeens

You've obviously never experienced the wonders of the Life and Space Arcana.

So sad.

>>54251323
>You've obviously never experienced the wonders of the Life and Space Arcana.
>So sad.

Cheap magic cant compete with the mighty knot

>>54251312
But it does
The best there ever is
Your imagination

>>54251350
>Cheap magic cant compete with the mighty knot

Poodles with delusions of grandeur.

Even sadder.

>>54251312
oh, it does. Just enjoy the sidebars and become educated on real issues, like made-up pronouns and genders.

>>54251212

I actually read those. Was fun.

>>54248978
Mage had a TV show adaptation.

>>54251312
>no absurdly bloated metaplot means no setting

>>54251957

Yes, but that was not in English - which as we all know, is God's language

>>54251139
Nah we don't familia.

>>54251381

>have to work most of the shit from the ground up

vs.

>cut a few things that are not hard to just leave out of your chronic

Yeah no thats masquerade for me.

>>54251993
Most Masquerade players don't use the metaplot but keep riding that horse friendo.

>>54252047
>>have to work most of the shit from the ground up
What do you mean by this? What do the Requiem books not provide for you?

>>54252388
I guess whatever the situation on the ground in your domain looks like since there's less setting uniformity of political setup?

>>54252047
>Most Masquerade players don't use the metaplot but keep riding that horse friendo.
If you aren't referring to the metaplot, then are you referring to how it talks about cities?
Because those are covered in different books in Requiem, but with no metaplot to tell you that say, Philadelphia is absolutely Sabbat territory.

>>54249321
>The Council has learned from it's mistakes. Why do you think they encourage the spread of Hedge Magic?

Because they have virtually lost the war and are desperate, they are using Hedge Mages as independent terrorists in essence.

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>>54249769
Mummies are busy with other pursuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5DuUCD1VQ

>>54249620
Damn straight. Masquerade was so comic book superhero in play, and let's not even get into that metaplot abomination, and the nerd culture that fed off of it. Requiem got vampires right, and a much better World of Darkness too.

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>There are people here that unironicly think V:tR is better then V:tM

>>54253338
>There are people here that unironicly think V:tM is better then V:tR

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>>54253419
>there are people that unironically vampire vampire vampire vampire

>>54249620
>unless you're twelve

If that were true tg favorite game would be masquerade

>>54253449
>there are vampire vampire vampire

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>Remove Tribes
>Replace Tribes with lodges

How much of the lore would I have to rewrite?

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>>54253513
>vampire vampire vampire little siblings vampire

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>>54253604

Seriously, Mage at the top of the poll again? Whoever does it forces my hand, I'll probably just send few thousands votes for Geist and call it a day.

>>54253818
>Seriously, Mage at the top of the poll again? Whoever does it forces my hand, I'll probably just send few thousands votes for Geist and call it a day.

You are the reason why WW fans cannot have nice things.

>>54251323
>>54251350
Y'all don't have shit on a Demon
>ribbed, barbed, geared and studded for your pleasure
>77 speeds
>can rotate and pump in the 12th dimension
The double piston action is what makes it so unique

>>54253840
I didn't start it, I just fight fire with fire. 2 days ago some magefag at onyxpath forums started urging other magefags to vote multiple times and as development of numbers in poll showed, they indeed did. I'm just making things right.

I'm botting up both mage and changeling, because I think Geist is too bleak and dark. Plus not 2.0 any time soon.

>>54253969
how much of a fucking idiot do you have to be to preach poll fraud on the website of the people organizing the poll ?
truly, magetards strive for excellence

>>54254015
Fuck you, I want to be a ghost pirate.

>>54253840
>You are the reason why WW fans cannot have nice things.

Sure, because incompetent management, a unwillingness to step outside of their echo chamber, abandonment of the main lines for RPGs about cats and dogs, Brucatto and Dracula have nothing to do with "why we cant have nice things", not its all that one anon messing with a ill conceived poll for supplement book.

>>54253969

It doesn't really matter. Ian already mentioned in the Kickstarter comments that they know the poll is now garbage and have an unspecified plan to correct the problem.

At this point, any reliance on the poll will be sure to piss off too many fans.

>only real solution is to selection the Piracy period as a Geist / Mage crossover by OPP managerial fiat

>>54254047
>Geist / Mage crossover
please no
I can't take it anymore
I want some new Changeling material

If the poll shenanigans continue, I fear OPP will decide to make the Golden Age of Piracy a Beast / Hunter crossover as punishment.

>No justice, no peace

>>54254029
No shit, I mean it's also the fucking World of *Darkness*, it's supposed to be bleak - and Geist pirates, in the age of sail, too fucking awesome.

>>54254076
>I want some new Changeling material

The new sourcebook will soon be released, and likely with a Kickstarter to guarantee multiple priority supplements.

>>54254104
The release date has been pushed forward twice now, for a yearlong delay. I'm not optimistic personally.

>>54254077
>Golden Age of Piracy a Beast / Hunter crossover

>real horror
>punishment would not fit the crime

>>54254077
Now, Pirate Hunters is something I can get behind
Just imagine, Hunter + Second Sight + Pirates
This is making me hard
>>54254104
I hope so but ... >>54254133 . Exactly.

The Forces greater utility attainment lets you become immune to mundane environmental effects for 1 mana. At that level you can also transform energy.

Couldn't you turn yourself into a walking firestorm? Cast a spell on yourself that transforms all the energy within the scale of the spell into fire.

>>54254133
>The release date has been pushed forward twice now, for a yearlong delay. I'm not optimistic personally.

I disagree. With DavidH gone, Changeling 2e is getting attention and now moving through development apace. It will almost certainly be released before Hunter 2e and Geist 2e.

>LOL - There hasn't even been an announcement of Mummy 2e

>>54254184
but, seriously
WHAT DO MUMMIES DO ?

>>54254164
>Couldn't you turn yourself into a walking firestorm?

That would require conjunctional Life 4.

In order to transform from one Arcanum purview to another, you need the requisite Arcana from both purviews.

>>54254149
I think hunter's would be agents of or allied with the west india company. Hunting down supernatural threats that endanger company interests.

>>54254209
>WHAT DO MUMMIES DO ?

>provide good supplemental rules for cults?

>>54254222
I'm not turning myself into fire. I'm turning all the ambient energy around me into fire.

>>54254223
>hunter's would be agents of or allied with the west india company

>West India Company obviously controlled by Seers and vampire

>Hunter dupes

>>54254184
Mummy is going to be last and we know it. One day the stars will align and it shall rise from its tomb, but that day is well off.

>>54254209
Be spooky, collect relics, fight ancient horrors while being an ancient horror themselves.

I'm voting Prometheans. The pirate life fits better than anything else for them, constantly moving from crew to crew as their wrongness overwhelms each ship... they hunt through the loot plundered from the new world for treasures that will help them on their quests for humanity, and to find clues to the fountain of youth, from which the water of life flows.

Right up there with Geist. But Geist has no 2.0 yet.

Mage would be a distant 3rd, because there ARE lore reasons, and it could definitely work well.

Or go full disney with a Pirates of the Caribbean crossover of a handfull of splats, just keep out Beast, because it is awful until a full rewrite excising the tumblrina shit like "for adversaries we'll give them Heroes, but then they'll really be just BULLIES! What a twist!" and other such nonsense.

>>54254223
>>54254272
the East India Company could be a conspiracy like Pentex or the Cheiron Group too
Hunters can be on both sides
>>54254274
What powerlevel are we talking here ? Mage ? Worse than Mage ?

>>54254272
Being used as a cat's paw by a larger supernatural power to deal with a lesser faction would be par for the course for Hunter.

So who else is hyped as fuck for Deviant? Both the core game and that sweet Dark Era lore.

>>54254336
Mage level but more limited with a timer. But still they're no slouches in a straight conflict and many a cabal has come worse for wear when accidentally awakening a slumbering mummy.

>>54247739
Oh. I had a polish copy of the witcher there. Odd. Cheers.

>>54254377
That seems entertaining
Thanks, anon, I'll check it out

>>54254372
I am. Although there seems to be some overlap with the 'lost boys' in the hurt locker.

>>54254372
Related: What sort of Deviant game are you all planning to run?

>>54254427
Guyver mixed with Deus Ex and a touch of Akira.

>>54254427
>>54254372
Do we have any additional info that's not on the OPP website ?

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>>54254427
what else ?

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>>54254427

>>54254427
>>54254440
>>54254477
>>54254504
This is because I'm a filthy weeb, but I plan on going full Abara / Tokyo Ghoul at least once.

>>54246796
Uh, okay. I forget most of the details, it's been years.

The Unnamed: The tenth sphere/seat was his throne. Humanity's desire to an easy way, a shortcut that didn't exist. He brings down the barriers, and his masters walk reality. It becomes an ungodly hellscape. He is worse than any of his masters.

Whimper, not a bang: The aliens steal all the magic away into another dimension. I'm not even kidding. If the players win instead of the aliens, then the umbra tears away from reality and people need to do something with the magic, quickly.

Wormwood: The wormwood meteor is in the umbra, too. Everyone argues. Some people want to run to the umbra. The TechX want to nuke it. Sons of Ether go full startrek and reversethe polarity of earth. Shit gets weird. Most people just die. Depends on what plan works.

Technocracy wins: The orders are ignored and pathetic. The technocracy goes to war with itself. Scenarios range from a dystopian technocracy victory, a weird order/tech union, an unleashing of the avatar storm that devastates but doesn't completely destroy the awakened and then an unleashing that *does* destroy the awakened world.

Voormas WINS: Voormas manages to evade his Jhor by becoming Kali and removing the concept of death (and progression) from the tellurian to avoid the consequences of his bullshit for all time. Shit is weird. He rides a giant castle around in his own paradox realm, as I remember.

>>54254533
Hell, I'm *not* really much of a weeb and I can see Kamen Rider (the original show, anyway) slotting right into the game's themespace.

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>>54248978
>Vampire the Masquerade is the only game line to get adaptations made of it

Not saying pic related was good mind you, just that it exists.

>>54254222
Not always the case. You don't need Life 4 to use Death 4 to turn yourself into Shadow, for example. Although I think this is because Death is one of the few, if not the only, Arcanum that explicitly has a shitton of things under its purview that it can affect. Living things, objects, metaphysical shit, it's all in there.

>>54254578
I wasn't a fan of Wimper or Wormwood because they're both laughable threats in context of the setting and you basically have to ignore that fact to run them.

My campaign will eventually have a pseudo-ToJ though in the form of the line between the Near Umbra and Earth vanishing, causing all manner of spirits to walk the Earth.

>>54254578
As for the 'misc' ones, it's been even longer. I only ever played the Mummy one, myself. And that was as a Wu T'ian.

Mummy: Apophis is getting loose. Spawns an Avatar in the form of Eurdice. Things start getting *bad*. A new form of Hekau ritual comes about, cast by Anubus. All the Amenti are taken, warped and turned into a new shroud, one that's completely impenetrable. Everyone's pretty happy about it. Big balance boosts all around!

KotE: The Gauntlet strengthens, heading toward 8 in weak areas and impassable in strong. People start mysteriously finding the hundred clouds en mass. The God Slayer and the warriors of Heaven turn up to purge the Kuei Jin. The Shih are ecstatic and join in. The Wu is destroyed to the last Hungry One, or given the chance to join in the battle against the hordes of Yomi. No matter what, everyone dies. THeir sacrifice is the foundation for the rebirth of the Ten Thousand IMmortals. The Wu T'ian are presumably very jealous.

Hunter: Civilization crumbles into anarchy. That's pretty much the main theme. Lots of hope and winds of change as monsters envelop mankind. Every mask that hid them has crumbled. Everywhere is World War 2, but with vampires and wizards who don't need to worry about things like "the masquerade" and "disbelief".

CtL: Something about banality going berserk ,and all the players leaving the world?

Demon: The Earthbound make their play, Lucifer tries to restore the Fallen and Mankind, gets betrayed with an axe in the brain from the star thorn? Never was a fan of demon. Sorry.

>>54254662
You don't need conjunctional arcana to jump into Twilight w/ spirit either. My head canon/house rule is the subtle arcana (spirit, death, fate, prime, mind) can get away with transformations like this because of the presence of the soul.

The magic is somehow changing the balance of the targets soul.

>>54254223
as if OPP would depict the evil white imperialists in a positive light and not give them the Hero treatment

>>54254783
CTL has several, one with war against the Fomorians, one where everyone just goes home and one were the Tuatha de Dannan return to kill all Changelings for race-mixing with humans

>>54254274
>Mummy is going to be last and we know it. One day the stars will align and it shall rise from its tomb, but that day is well off.

Confirmed that Mummy 2e will not be announced until the next Sothic Turn

>>54254578

Voormas actually loses and ascension is achieved, Traditions-style. This is the "canon" ending

I'm just pissed there's no "Marauders win" ending

Guys, here's a weeb question: let's suppose I wanted to create a Lambda Gadget in Demon The Descent that is an approximation of a Stand from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. I think it would consist of Terrible Avatar + Stowaway + Fate Entaglement + Inflict Stigmata. But what would be the Hardware? Could it be built as one of those Tattoo Gadgets?

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>>54254578
>The Unnamed

Reminder that he can kick anyone's ass

>>54252047
Yes we do
Without the metaplot you have no unique setting

therefore the setting with no metaplot is easier to use

so we still agree requiem with no metaplot is better

>>54255312
not better, more generic and easily filled by whatever your GM conocts

>>54255344

>>54255191
I like that elsewhere they take special care to refer to his tentacles and pseudopods. It's basically telling you "The black guy turns into a tentacle demon. Cue sodomy."

>>54255401
He's not actually black. He's just black skinned. Like obsidian or onyx.

>>54254015
Geist is too dark and bleak compared to Changelings of all things? Geist is also literally the next corebook after Changeling, it's already been in the development cycle.