/srg/ - Shadowrun General

Is there any reason a character could not have cybernetic legs if they're an amputee?

>>54236793
Cost, being a mage / techno and prefering being in a wheelchair to the essence loss (the essence loss doesn't come from losing your legs, it comes from grafting something where there should be nothing), reasons not handled by mechanics such as the body rejecting cybernetics.

>>54236793
money?
religious reasons?
Preference?

>>54236810
>reasons not handled by mechanics such as the body rejecting cybernetics.
isn't that the entire reason behind sensitive system? That your body rejects the cybernetics, resulting in a higher ESS cost?

>>54236829
>sensitive system
You're probably right. I mean sorta. What I had in mind was more complete rejection of cybernetics instead of just a higher essence loss.

>>54236829
>isn't that the entire reason behind sensitive system?

The body rejecting something is rarely just "It rejects it a little bit, but give it some time and he'll warm up to it." but more of a process of doing it all over again.

Sensitive system just means your body(or soul) is a little bitch.

>>54236866
>complete rejection of cybernetics
maybe something like Vampires with Regeneration have, just less so? So you can't get cyberware lower than Betaware.

But honestly: While the essence cost of Cyber may be higher than that of Bio, it still is REALLY compatible. Remember that with normal people you can just implant it and never have to go for a scar removal or re-implantation in normal circumstances. The connection between your cyberarm and shoulder is the same after 3 years and directly after the implantation. No scar tissue, no build up, nothing.
So a body that is sensitive enough to not just react to the cyberware during the implantation but to fully reject it would probably have a load of false-positives, meaning a lot of allergies and autoimmune diseases.

So I'd put that (if at all) as a 25 Karma negative quality. Can't take Cyberware less than Betaware, can't take Bioware less than Alphaware, pick 2 medium allergies.

So while we're on the topic of cybernetics and essence, I think we can all agree that essence is very abstract and just there for balance, aye?
And most of the time we can make sense of it.
Fiddling with your spine (wired reflex and such) is dealing with a huge part of your body, I can understand the very high and increasing cost.
Muscle replacement essence cost increase per level makes sense, you replace more of your muscles.
Same with Dermal plating, replacing more and more of your skin.

But can someone explain to me how changing the material of what you are coating your bones with change the essence cost?

It hit me just now, and now I can't stop trying to apply logic to a hogus bogus gameworld.

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I just played Returns and Dragonfall, the video games. Pretty cool stuff.

What is the opinion of those around here?

>>54237512
>Essence: Just Do It
>"It isn't wiz at all. It's kind of shitty actually. But it is essence friendly."
>Essence doesn't make any sense at all. There, I've said it. And I stand by this assessment.
>The datajack is, and has been, so unbelievably powerful in every edition that it's really hard
>to justify an Essence cost for much of anything. Why would anyone get cyberarms when
>they could chop their arms off (losing no Essence) and then just wear some robot arms and
>run them through their datajacks? If Essence actually existed, and yet the Datajack seriously
>allowed you to send out any output you wanted, you're damn skippy that people would do
>that sort of thing. And yet, in Shadowrun they don't. They don't for no reason. That's
>important. Essence is a game balance concern, not a rational one.

>Equipment Spotlight: Bone Lacing
>Bone Lacing is the classic example of a piece of cyberware that costs essence for no
>reason. And that's fine. In the case of Bone Lacing, it would be entirely "realistic" for it to cost
>nothing at all. Not only does it not interact with your nervous system in any way, it doesn't
>even replace a single cell. Your Calcium Phosphate matrix isn't "alive" in any meaningful
>fashion, it's just a dead mineral scaffold that your body happens to hang on like a fleshy
>coat. Even more damning, Bone Lacing actually costs more essence when it's made out of
>something that is more awesome. That's absurd, but it's also good game balance. You
>should pay more Essence when you get a better bonus, the fact that you're replacing the
>same amount of stuff that isn't even your living tissue in either case is beside the point.
>And that's the point

>>54237560
>it's just a dead mineral scaffold that your body happens to hang on

Except that's wrong.

But that aside, I guess it'd once again be time for houseruling, since it's not that hard to give a more reasonable penalty for having titanium on your bones than plastic, aside from "Your soul likes plastic more".

>>54237689
>Except that's wrong.
it isn't
yes, the bone contains bone marrow, which is alive
but the calcium phosphate matrix, the hard part through which the material is put, is as dead as can be

>>54237550
Returns is alright. Dragonfall is great. Hong Kong is also great (Hong Kong generally plays better and is more polished mechanically, but the plot isn't quite as good as Dragonfall).

super warhawk or predator V?

>>54237809
Always Predator.

>>54237550
I didn't like Returns too much, but I thought Dragonfall and Hong Kong were great.

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>>54237560
It's also never elaborated on why non-invasive exeskeletons aren't more popular in the Shadowrun universe. It's part of some high end military gear I think, but you'd assume it would be more common.

>>54238204
most likely developer decision
It's the same reason that Enchanting rules were terrible in every edition

>>54238432
Well obviously. They don't include them for the same reason they created essence in the first place.

It's just one of those extra layers of suspension of disbelief that crops up because of essence.

>>54238204
To be honest, most problems the sixth world has are by developer decision.

By the state of 4th editions technology they could have shot up a nanite colony, feed it with iron, aluminium and rubber and would have a fully functional orbital gardening station. All that with minimum risk to Metahumans and minimal costs, and boom, whichever corp does that can sell real food, without pesticides or pollution at afforable prices again.

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@yekka

Hey, found a thing.

On Chummer 5a, cost calculation for Attack Dongles and Stealth Dongle (commlink accessories) seem to be off.

Source: pg 62, Data Trails

Calculation: Cost = Rating x 2 x 3,000¥

I'll post what the prices are supposed to be, and what're they're showing as.

Rating 1: 6,000¥ / 3,000¥
Rating 2: 12,000¥ / 12,000¥
Rating 3: 18,000¥ / 27,000¥
Rating 4: 24,000¥ / 48,000¥
Rating 5: 30,000¥ / 75,000¥
Rating 6: 36,000¥ / 108,000¥

>>54238693
>Calculation: Cost = Rating x 2 x 3,000¥
nope, Cost = Rating^2 x 3,000¥

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>>54238693
I just realized the problem. Chummer is calculating it as "Cost = Rating x Rating x 3,000¥"

>>54237845
>>54237809

Thats not how you spell "Savalette Guardian"

you guys have any recommendations for get rich quick schemes in shadowrun? That doesn't involve killing anyone? Our team is in Cuba so I imagine there would be more opportunities than usual

My character is so nuyen hungry I need all the money I can get ;_;

>>54238747
Rating squared is correct

>>54237550
Very enjoyable games, probably got a few People into the PnP.

So my tabletop group got into them Harebrained's Shadowrun game and liked them, and are interested in running the shadows.

Is this 5E "Master Index Edition" the core book I want? DriveThruRPG doesn't seem to have other core for 5E.

>>54238781
Steal stuff and drop it no questions asked for Loyalty*5% with an appropriate contact.

So probably your fixer. And do things to get the fixer's loyalty up, or at least your negotiation pool up so that you can actually negotiate and eat some of the fee for having the fixer deal with the actual ownership changes while it's not in a faraday cage.

>>54238781
Hey, we too are in Cuba, havanna to be exact.

Piracy is some bid geal there, try to become some sort of Ares Cosair so KE won't coma after your butt while you plunder non Ares vessles.

>>54238827
Chummer, please read the third rule in the OP
All CGL books are in the OP Pastebin

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>>54238710
>>54238789
Dang, I guess y'all are right. I thought they were viable but that would go against the dogma of CGL's Shadowrun. And Rating^2 looks like what they were attempting to do on the book - I guess they couldn't afford a font with a superscript for numbers.

>>54238829
>>54238864

Sounds like stealing is the way to go, Props to the piracy idea, I like it, now I just gotta figure out someone worth stealing from.

>>54238869
Aye, I got core 2nd printing downloaded but was wondering if this master index thing is just a fancy term for "3rd printing"

>>54238922
master index means it has an index referencing the other books (so you have a collective index for all books until then)

>>54238953
Right, I see. Thank you for answering

>>54238870
The Sleaze one is sorta viable, if the GM lets you put a hardwired Smoke-and-Mirrors and have it work as an odd mod. Even if you don't have the skills to hack worth beans, handing a few dongle-and-mod-commlinks out will keep your group stealthier than most tricks.

And it makes you harder to track than just about anything but parking your friends personae in the library host.

From my experences, I've come to this conclusion on other players.

>bro tier
Melee street sams
Adepts
Edgemonkey mundanes
Human faces
Riggers

>Legit and understandable tier
Bio adepts
Gun street sams
Other metavarient faces
Ally buff mage
Meme mages that only know appropiatly themed spells for their gimmick, like bee clouds for someone playing as Dr. Bees

>I hope the player knows what he's doing tier
Adept spell adepts
Mystic adepts

>stop wasting our time as a collective group tier
Deckers
Technomancers

>fag tier
Mage
Spirit Summoning Mage
Quickining Mage
Vampires
Pixies

No need to thank me, just doing my job.

>>54236793
>>54236810
>Not getting Bio-replacement legs
UNDERRATED RESPONSE TO LIMB LOSS.
If your mage has lost more limbs than 1 ess cost he needs to rethink his strategies.

I'm gonna make a BLOOD CRYSTAL SKELETON WIZARD and nobody can stop me!

>>54239232
>Rating melee higher than DAKKA

wew, don't cut yourself there

Also:
>mages
>not collectively trash

bleh

>>54239232
My dm needed me to play a decker. So I spent 550k on a deck and plan to as soon as possible be throwing three marks out with every action so I can make decking take just a little less time.
It 'only' took us two hours realtime to resolve our first matrix jaunt and both of us hadn't handle matrix stuff before.

>>54239232
In a world where everything is wireless Deckers/Technomancers are important, and they can be pretty fun …
If both the GM and player know their shit very well …
Which isn't the case very often.

>>54239232
I alternate between a Rigger and a Swiss Army Mage with spirits and buffs. Am I a bad person?

>>54239467
Do you use your powers solely for yourself?

>>54239496
Nope, I'll buff the team when possible. Give the gunners an aim boost, give the Face some Charisma juice, etc. Gonna pick up Increase Reflexes at the next opportunity.

I haven't actually gotten many opportunities to use or abuse summoning, so I need to start working into it as well.

>>54239467
Why would you ask a person shitposting on /tg/ that?

>>54239378
>>54239232

Decking is awfull and most faches macke better RL based hackers than decker.
Max out your CHA
Buy a radioshack deck together witht the programm that let's you change your icon.
Get a decent Computer skill (always usefull) around 8-12
Max out impersonate and negotiate/intimidate/con.

And now you just pretend that you work for GOD, are from the grid provider or are Jim from IT and have some bullshit reason that you need a Mark on the Host/Device to save the day.

>>54239563
Then you are A-OK
party on

>>54239587
Yeah but nobody in combat is going to give you a mark so you can turn off their gun.

>>54239587
Instead of actual hacking do some social engineering.
That's what makes TTRPGs great. You have near infinite ways to complete your mission.
But because you can do somewhat decking stuff without actual decking, and GMs and players are sad about matrix stuff being slow it gets totally skipped.

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>>54239620
I combat it is easier to just shoot them, than to hack and turn off or dataspike their weapons.

>>54239582
My parents never gave me positive reinforcement when I was younger? I don't know anon. People just do dumb stuff.

>>54239615
I've also briefly attempted a Pixie in a one-shot group that was meant to be incredibly over the top, and I can confirm that without homebrew rebalancing they're only for the worst kinds of players. You die in one hit to the flesh, but you can wear Full Combat Armor and dodge every shot taken at you, as well as maintain line of sight for spells by being able to literally fly.

>>54239331
I've made a BLOOD CRYSTAL SKELETON WIZARD and lemme just say: crystal spine, crystal legs, crystal arm and crystal eyes is a damn good waste of five essence for an aspected mage who follows a spooky skeleton mentor spirit and has mentor mask. I think this'll be a good antagonist

>>54239650
Omae I have 9 Attack on my deck I can dataspike their gun as hard as GOD can.
Which is still useless, Hence why I have a SMG and 10 dice to shoot with it so i can suppress!

>>54239620
When your combat approach ad decker is not just slaving everybodys gear to your high grade commlink and just shoot people alongside your sammy you are already a terrible decker and wasting everybodys time with clumsy rules.


So let's assume you are suprised by combat and compare it to the sammy.

So we cann well assume that you are suprised, because your physical attributes are in the gutter since you needed the money. But you may or may not be able to get your ass into cover and make the sammys job a little easier

The sammy draws his gun and probably starts shooting, since he knows what he is doing.

Now you can start looking for the attackers gear and god help you if they carry the same gear or you can't identify it on the first look, since matrix perception is RAW random among the things you used as your search criteria and "gun" will bring up a lot of things.

Now your Sammy killed the first guy

Aaaand now Sammy is shooting the second guy, since going into VR while in combat is a fucking terrible idea.

And by now the Sammy might have put his second guy into shock.

So let's assume your GM is kind enough or you are lucky enough to find the gun of somebody who isn't dead by now you can try to spike the gun. which never works in one go.

and the sammy keeps beign a usefull member of the party in combat while you try to be a little more usefull than last time.

Until, one day, you buy the arm of god, specialised skill wires and just shoot fuckers in the face while jacked up on cram.

I have been there, trust me i don't want it to happen to others.

>>54239639
>Instead of actual hacking do some social engineering.

that's what i said

>>54239847
Question
Why is the Decker in combat in this theoretical?
Why aren't they in the riggers van or something over-watching from the matrix already?

>>54239917
Because the bonus you get from direct hacking is way too good to pass it up.

And because the enemy might as well attack your van.

Or the Johnson want's to see the whole team before he gives the job.

suprise backstabbing ?

I just think it's way to optimistic to assume the best case.

>>54239847
If the GM is forcing you into firefights as a decker either the GM is bad or you were stupid for going out into the field and not sitting safe inside your riggers van 100m away like >>54239917 suggested.

Personal experience from my games (all one-shots, and they all have combat in them somewhere) is that deckers are shit in combat themselves but directly before, and directly after combat (sometimes during combat, too – but not with shooting) they are very important.
>Are there cameras around that might be capturing us? Shut them down.
>What is our way out? Through a locked gate? Hack it open.
>We are on a highway and the car of the people we just shot needs to move on, but we have no access. Hack some access.
>We are going to kick in the door of this place. Decker, can you see some guns? Yes, there's 4 guns with smartgun-capability. Be aware. I'll try my best hacking them BEFORE you kick in the door.

>>54240175
>Same effect can bre reached by adequate disguise, created by face or contact or spells.
>Basically everybody can be able to quickly open doors, by explosives, picking, social engineering or spells, my favourite are melt[lock] alchemical preperations.
>what ?
>really niche and if your GM let's you percept things based on their physical lockation (other than the within 100m yes/no range), he's already holding your hand. Guns are one of the most common things to be offline.

>>54240763
>>54240175

I think he meant sending a spoof command to the car after you frag the occupants. Or just turn on the gridguide.

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>>54236793
I spent some time looking into a similar concept a while ago. If your character isn't watching their ESS then you get cyber replacements. Otherwise you wait a few months for cloned replacements. The only reasons to be missing a limb in SR are: personal/cultural, money (not a problem for long if you're a runner), and time (waiting for cloned replacements).

>>54240875
I mean there is a quality that shackles you to a wheelchair.

>>54240763
Yeah, you can do all these things with other characters too. But a decker is the swiss army knife of non-combat support, while the other guys are fighting.
>But nyee, why bother with a decker he should just play something different that's good with fighting.
Yes, please play your 932 charisma mage pixie or burnout way adept-street sam-cyberninja. You don't need any other roles.
Because who actually likes RP and interesting roles in a TTRPG. We're all just here for powergaming …
Worst thing is that 5e to some extent even rewards powergaming. And if you don't use all the splatbooks for the wackiest combinations you're basically shit.

Is it just impossible to make a good Matrix system that also doesn't feel like it belongs in tech of pre 2008?

Because no one ever seems happy with the Matrix system.

>>54241164
>Because who actually likes RP and interesting roles in a TTRPG. We're all just here for powergaming …


Those aren't mutually exclusive, desu.
Anyways, Decking in Combat is mostly useless, if the GM doesn't provide him with interesting Targets to hack (read: Environment modifiers).
Can't be helped, a pure sammy will also be dead weight on many social occasions.

What's a fun and/or good build for Hong Kong, want to play it again and haven't since it came out.

>>54241527
shockfist troll adept
34 crit with -8 ap
punch the world

>>54241240
Not impossible, but very hard with CGL's particular brand of embezzlement and haemorrhaging better writers. Then you have stuff like 5e Infected, which shows some people are trying to improve the game, and 5e AI PCs, which shows that others are trying really hard to shit on already bad rules (or worse, so inept that their 'also trying to help' is actively making things worse).

>>54241347
If powergaming boils the game down to
>932 charisma mage pixie
or
>burnout way adept-street sam-cyberninja
interesting character concepts are left out. The game becomes just two roles because anything else is shit.

And when it comes to this you should seriously be wondering: Why am I even bothering playing a game that gives me so many choices to create my character, when all but two (and don't tell me: "Oh, but there's still choice! You can switch your Americar for a Harley-Davidson") builds are useless.

Also removes moments where players can feel cool because they had a role that fit the job exactly. If you're playing with more that 2 guys it'll eventually become a: Yeah, you're useless. We can do everything with 2 people too.

But I mean yeah, there's still RP. But you could just as well be RPing around a ludo game … It even offers 4 colors instead of 2 roles.
Think of some backstory for your meeples. RP out how they move around …

>>54241584
Supposedly AIs were originally much better but the writer got some feedback that they were too powerful, so he pared them back down to where they are now. Same sort of problem little mac had with drakes I guess, don't want your first crunch to be terribly imbalanced so you wind up erring too far on the side of caution.

Anyway, AIs are supposed to be getting errata for them at some point to make them a much less agonising build, but given the current progress of the errata team we're likely to see SR6 before that happens.

>>54236793
A mage missing an arm or two could easily Quicken a cast of Magic Fingers if they have the metamagic and the karma. Only downside is I'm pretty sure having a quickened spell removes any trace of Astral stealth you had

>>54242340
Blood crystal arm
Plus you can turn it into an arm sword

>>54237512
>But can someone explain to me how changing the material of what you are coating your bones with change the essence cost?

Here's an explanation from a long time ago back when FASA was still around and they were working on Earthdawn.

>We all carry a metaphysical blueprint, an aural template, conceived with our physical selves and borne until our deaths. This template represents not only who we are, but what we might have been had our bodies and spirits developed unhampered from birth. This aural template, our essence, also connects us to the mystical world. For most people, essence envelops and sustains them throughout life, but they derive no other power from it. For a magician, the aural template serves as the circuitry through which magical power flows. It connects the inner world with the outer in a direct, observable, tangible way.

>In the past, metaphysicists have warned of the associative damage done to the aural template through the implantation of cybernetics or bioware. Though such warnings have validity, we believe the reasoning behind them to be inaccurate.

>Rather than damaging the aural template, the associative damage done by cyber- and bioware and the resultant loss in magical potency results from the deviation between an individual's aural template and his body. In effect, the implantation of artificial enhancements creates a new body, or physical template, that differs from the aural template. The greater the deviation, the less efficient the transfer of mana from the aural to the physical becomes.


That's it. It all has to do with magic.

>>54242069
I'm not even talking on a matter of power scale. The rules for AIs just suck ass. GMs will straight up say, "Nah, too fiddly. Ain't nobody got time for that." If they were just too weak, or too powerful, you could work around it. I don't expect the errata team to fix AIs. Maybe fix some small part of AIs that doesn't work, but overall it's going to continue to suck ass.

>>54237809
How big is your penis?

>>54238504
>shipping plants/produce to and from space
>reasonable cost

Pick one

>>54239249
As he watched the GM break out his homemade hit location tables, Harry knew he was in trouble

>>54241590
>if
Never seen it

>>54238504
They were building orbital stations and using nanites back in 3e. Ares had a plan for it, and SK managed to get it finalised and in orbit first. Whichever Ares CEO took it personally.

>>54243715
>As he watched the GM break out his homemade hit location tables, Harry knew he was in trouble

>tfw you're GMing soon.
>tfw when you're whipping out a homemade Hit Location table for the first time.

Am I just instilling terror in my players?

>>54241590
>The game becomes just two roles because anything else is shit.
It's not that only two builds are useful
just that deckers are shit
(to use your analogy, deckers are trabants)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugrFTySNeQk
Post some music that could be shadowrun related
Hardmode: No GITS

>>54245998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk3n-CkQao8
In 2070 or so...

>>54245623
> trabant is shit
U wot tavarish? Trabants are immortal!
And our decker was legit the MVP of last session.

>>54245998
https://youtu.be/NVqVwk0rJ64

>>54245998
https://youtu.be/P_SlAzsXa7E

>>54246126
Hey I posted that last time we did this!
THIEF!

>>54245998
https://youtu.be/SDTZ7iX4vTQ
Hah you didn't say Hardmode: No school shootings

>>54245998
https://youtu.be/vqGIKlgSl1s

Skillwirestapes!

https://youtu.be/-nC5TBv3sfU?list=RDMMbZwG2pjzUAo

>>54236692
I have some terrible luck getting into long lasting shadowrun games, usualy just one shots and such. Did have one time though...

4th ed. My Hacker. Corp Spider who lost his ID in the second crash, was online when it happened, came out a little unhinged. Paranoid as fuck. Lives in his Van, won't park in the same sq km twice. Dude sitting next to me at the table saw my char sheet, looked at my edge stat and exlamed "SWORDS DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH EDGE!"

I honestly forget WHY I was at some some mid level managers house in the suberbs...needed to do some legwork for something...

But the data I'm hoping to get out of his personal files is already in the hands of the hacker that's there. I try firing my attack prog, bounces right off him. He lands a trace on me, which doesn't fucking matter because I'm literally outside the dudes house in my van. I'm just going to drive away. I look around the node. "There ICE here?"

"yeah. But he's already crashed it all."

"Ok. I hack a new admin account. Log In using that, and reboot the system"

All the ice gets reloaded, and he logs the fuck off. Then I go to start my Van. That time he spent dicking around not attacking me was running was him telling his buddy to deal with me. He was outside in his own van... with backup. I wasn't expecting any trouble so I went alone.

Not sure why they went with explosive under my van instead of shoot me... the plan WAS to get armor and a minigun with an SK to run it that would flip out of a side panel all Ninja Turtle Van style, but I wasn't there yet.

Anyway, edge burned, van lost, and I got thrown clear of the blast and blacked out in the gutter, where Doc Wagon picked me up.

>>54245998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jut0-_tMN4
>if your nova coked up black magic mage ganger doesn't go to sleep to this you should reconsider your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nhjZhyzW2g
>if your stoner decker isn't defacing megacorps servers with this you should reconsider your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEeljQfL8M
>if your norse street sam isn't pumping this at ear splitting levels in the middle of cutting down a saliryman in lobby of a mega corps you should reconsider your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WOKk1i_eL8
>if your failed japanese idol face adept isn't singing karaoke her way into the heart and access roster of a VIP of a place you're team is getting ready to burgle you should reconsider your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8w_Q57RQJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j94s8VeXBig&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldwg3eXiISM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3cZ3M4hAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCs_1EFmjkg
>if none of these speak to you well you can probably guess what you should do

>>54246767
man, vallhalla was such a bait and switch for me.
Here I'm expecting cyber bartender managing action, and instead I get a thick meaty slice of cyberpunk visual novel.

It was nice, but man I want my cyber-bar sim.

>>54246043
Finally someone who understands me.
Deckers have times they don't shine in. Like combat. But when they're in their element, oh boy!

>>54247041
>But when they're in their element, oh boy!
Yeah! Then the rest can go play Guitar Hero!

>>54241164
>>54241347
>>54241590

Chummer i said exactly 2 things.

>Decking is fucking awfull

>You should be able to keep yourself afloat in any situation.

RAW decking might be an interesting charackter concept but if your concept breaks the flow of the game for the rest, since one of your turn takes 1-10 minutes it's time to go into yourself and think "maybe it's not okay if I'm blocking others".

>a pure sammy will also be dead weight on many social occasions.
A pure sammy that can't lie his way out of a paperbag is dead weight and makes the face's job unecessary harder,
Just as much as a decker who can't shoot/stab a motherfucker is just a nerd who makes the sammys job needlessly harder.
Just as a Face/Sammy without a minium computer skill are dead weight to the decker because you just become the IT bitch.

Specalised roles don't mean that you can go and ignore evereything else like a min-maxer.

>>54243676
Honestly ? i can pick poth if i have the technology to have microspcopic robots build anything i want and spirits & magic who can assist rockets in their in-atmosphere (the most fuel consuming) stage.

Today i can buy products from across the globe in my stuffershack equivalent and that is the norm in most western countries.

>>54247149
Shadowrun needs someone who can think forward techwise in novel but balanced ways. Reading back through 3e, it seems like they've been mostly resting reinventing the wheel for the past two editions, if not further, with a few added details.

>>54237550
Returns was rather linear but a nice introduction to the setting. When I first played it I loved it but playing it a second time is abit dull.
I never finished Dragonfall after two attempts, it was good, I enjoyed it. All the Party members were enjoyable. The directors cut adds some nice polish.

I liked Hong Kongs apperance, now Orks weren't giants like Trolls, but how I preferre them as just humans with tusks that are naturally bulkier. Hated Is0bel as a companion though, an autstic dwarf decker who I ignored whenever I could. Apparently I missed that every vendor has a personal quest if you talk to them, but I only ever spoke to the vendor who sold my Street Sam guns.

>>54247634
All those people are now probably in eclipse phase

Hovercars express shadowrun's identity perfectly. They should be included in the setting.

>>54248014
>They should be included in the setting.
they aren't?

>>54248232
No

>>54248232
T-birds are a thing, but they're expensive as all hell.

>>54248252
Have you tried 4e?
I'm sure there was hover tanks

>>54248407
The kind of hover tanks that exist irl presumably.

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Oi chummers,

Does anybody have pics of shadowrun or generic cyberpunk houses? I mean exterior here.

Bonus points for upscale residences.

All I see are cityscapes and interiors, and that starts to baffle me.

Pic related, the only remotely relevant artist I found this far.

>>54248407
Expensive as fuck, too.

>>54248418
Pretty sure MiG doesn't do tanks yet.

>>54248418
Dunno
Do a cross between tank and apc with glowing tires that float counts?

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Have any of you ever played an actual murderhobo in Shadowrun?

>>54248842
I play a phys ad with a blood crystal arm, spine, and eyes. He's something of a murder hobo considering he lives in an abandoned basement and takes jobs depending on what the voices from his magic bits tell him. He is unwell.

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>>54248842
Not a murder-hobo but your picture makes me want to play a hobo-face.

>>54248973
>blood crystal
Is this only 5e? If so where can I find it? It sounds rad enough to want to houserule into 4e.

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>>54249111
Forbidden Arcana, newest book. Check the pastebin.

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>>54248420
Closest I have are closeups of individual structures -in a cityscape-

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>>54249206

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>>54249230

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>>54249286

So /srg/ what do you prefer? Vanilla timeline, custom timeline, a mix of the two? Which edition's fluff do you prefer, and what things do you like to tweak?

>>54249381
Custom Timeline, honestly.

I tend to tweak the NAN a bit to make them less retarded.

>>54249123
>Forbidden Arcana, newest
Okay just by glancing over it, this might be the best (and only actually impressive) thing in 5e. I need to use all of this book.

>>54249439
Seems fair enough. I don't think the entire US would just roll over and die because the NAN turned half of Oregon into volcanic ashlands. Might be a few big concessions made though.

The UCAS/CAS divide is what bugs me the most. It really doesn't serve any good purpose and last time secession happened there was an incredibly bloody war. I doubt it would go peacefully a second time.

>>54249668
It didn't, but remember it happened along with on fucking hell of a lot of other things like VITAS outbreaks, goblinization, ... and a massive bodycount.

>>54244324
Absolutely.
Glorious, glorious terror.

I still remember my first ever rpg expirience was an AD&D magic-user who was horribly crippled in the thigh and walked with a limp for the rest of the campaign.
To this day, any wizard I make must also use a cane.

>>54236793
>Is there any reason a character could not have cybernetic legs if they're an amputee?
Low Essence. Magic. Having a Sensitive System. And there's plenty of fluff content relating to things including, but not limited to, nerve damage, immune system rejections, or severely-painful phantom limb syndrome all stopping you from getting cyberware.

Add to that the fact that you can get a wheelchair that drives at motor scooter speeds and has deployable legs for stairs and there's a valid argument to be made to skip out on cyberlegs, especially if you're not a shadowrunner or something.

>>54249439

Decrease NAN population, possibly change the size of PCC and just keep it Pueblo (but maintain that they're still most functional NAN state). They're still pretty dysfunctional, and would probably need some Dragon or strong Spirit protection, but it's hard to not just create Tibet 2.0.

Also I've got a theory that a lot of people with Native american ancestry (Like couple of generations back or more) who were goblinized would seek themselves acceptance in NAN states rather than just trying to struggle in UCAS.
I mean why be a second class citizen in the UCAS when you can be treated as a first class citizen in NAN.

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>>54248513
Seriously? Or just something like pic related with an armored cabin? Because that's the way they are described in the sprawl trilogy.

>>54249754
>To this day, any wizard I make must also use a cane.
This is a fantastic throwback.

It does really peeve me how abstract SR is with hit locations. I can't deal with telling my players that they got shot in an undefined location of their body mass. It makes me feel guilty.

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>>54248420

>>54249581
Blood crystal arms are awesome for villains and brutal characters: you can take a quality that shapeshifts your arm into a fucking sword, and even if it breaks it grows back.

>>54239331
>>54239676
>BLOOD CRYSTAL
I might be a bit out of the loop. Is this some meme joke, or new content released in a book?

>>54249919
New content: sort of like evil prosthetic limbs for mages without a moral compass.

>>54249939
Huh. What book's that in?

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Hey fa/tg/uys, can anybody here recommend a good cheat sheet or something like it for a group of first time players? A simplified version of the rules could really help, and it's just that the quick start rules aren't working for some of the guys.

>>54249958
Forbidden Arcana.

>>54249913
>Blood crystal arms are awesome for villains and brutal characters

Yeah I'm spinning ideas for Blood cult villain centered campaign right now. But if I don't manage to fiddle that together in time for my campaign it's not hard to add a Blood Mage in Lagos or some other absolute crazy town.

>>54250005
>Check the pastebin
>Read the OP

Would you let someone play a street shark?
Would you prefer they surged a troll or played a changeling?

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>>54249897
Then again. Anything resembling upscale is either an ancient country house or a hypermodern residential high rise (cityscape) so the request is unlikely to be completely fulfilled.

So is there any introductory adventure for SR that isn't Food Fight that /srg/ would recommend?

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>>54250092
Or rather... arcologies. Everyone with money probably lives in one of those.

>>54237550

Finished all three, loved them. It's what got me into giving the TT version a shot.

>>54250126
There's LoveLoveAnon's thing in the pastebin. It depends on how irreverent you can take your plots.

>>54250013
>a blood crystal limb costs:
>1 Essence
>10 karma
>1 Physical box
>1 Stun box

>in exchange, you receive:
>1 armor
>the option to spend more Karma on mastery qualities

Those are pretty fucking garbage, anon. I was expecting something worth taking.

New player here, messing around with character creation. Can you initiate during character creation? rulebook seems to allow it, but somehow I get the feeling I'm missing something.

>>54250268
>limb regeneration
>natural ranged and melee weapons
>poison immunity
>astral perception for adepts
>infinite breath capacity
>never need to eat
Yeah sounds terrible senpai

>>54250301
Only for prime runners (see the errata if you can) or if allowed by GM fiat.

>>54250268
It's got some uses if you're paranoid about being essence drained (as you have the lower essence) but want to keep full magic. Or just like the Earthdawn reference.

>>54250301
depends on the GM, some don't allow it.
ask your GM, if he says yes/you dont care, you can enable "initiate during character creation" under options.

>>54250366
>limb regeneration
There's no rules for limb dismemberment in the first place.

>natural ranged and melee weapons
By buying 25 goddamn karma worth of upgrades above and beyond the limb itself.

>poison immunity
You're remembering wrong. Crystal Breath provides a +2 to resist Inhaled, while Crystal Liver provides +2 to resist Ingested.

>astral perception for adepts
That costs 25 Karma, 1 Essence, 1 Physical Box and 1 Stun Box. That's not just bad, it's embarrassingly bad, compared to buying the Astral Perception Adept Power.

>infinite breath capacity
15 Karma, 1 Essence, 1 Physical Box, 1 Stun Box - absolute garbage.

>never need to eat
10% reduction in Lifestyle Costs, senpai.

It's absolute fucking garbage.

>>54250449
Yeah, it looks solid as fuck where fluff is concerned. Unfortunately, the actual rules are turbo-trash.

>>54250507
I mean if your gm is an absolute no creativity rules lawyer maybe. But seriously it's mostly cool and if you've got a flexible gm it allows you to justify some neat stuff.

>>54250561
>it's good if your GM lets you make stuff up
>it's not good according to the actual rules as written
Sure, but that's true for literally any garbage. It's neat fluff that's mechanically shit.

If it didn't rob you of 1 Stun and 1 Physical box for every blood crystal feature you take, I'd even say it's alright. Overpriced, but alright.

But it does, and it's not. It's just bad.

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>>54249313
>>54249286
>>54249271
>>54249255
>>54249313
Thanks, omae!

>>54249206
Modern-day India.

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>>54250129
>>54250092
>>54249897
Thanks you too, if you're a different guy.

To put things in perspective, I'm trying to give my designer buddy a baseline for working on an upscale Golden Bridge residence exterior (basically an oxymoron if you don't count the eternal party skyscaper).

>>54249852
100% serious
Its tank on skimmers

>>54250717
Source?

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>>54237550
I'd climb the Eiger.

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>>54250773
Won't give you a page reference right now, but pretty sure pic related is legit.

>>54250833
I'd Mount Hestaby

>>54250838
I love Hammer's Slammers.

>reading about blood crystal shit
>no crystal heart, spleen, or bone marrow option
I am kind of outraged I can't use blood crystal on the blood-centric parts of your body.

>>54251022
But then the blood would be less pure.

>>54251143
I dunno, you can blood crystal the blood FILTRATION parts of your body without any problems.

I just am grumpy I don't get spooky powers for having a blood crystal heart. It is a huge wasted opportunity.

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>>54251180
Also I am sort of upset at how few blood crystal things I can really put on at once.

>>54250838
Runner's Black Book - only version on google is in French. Anyone has a link for me?

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>>54250773
Alright, to name a few:
T18 (euro war antiques p34)
Stonewall (milspectech p9)
BMV-3 (milspectech2 p9) - alright, that's an APC

Pic related, Aztechnology Lobo, milspectech p11

>>54251198
>Also I am sort of upset at how few blood crystal things I can really put on at once.
gotta keep those blood crystal users from becoming too powerful.

>>54251233
>pathway to power at the expense of the soul
>makes you less powerful the more you have
Now I'm angry about how cool a concept this is and how poorly executed it is

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>>54249855
In other games, I find hit locations just add to the dissonance by trying to add a distinct element to a very abstract system. You end up with situations like: "the boss is still walking towards you after getting hit with 3 critical hit arrows to the head; this is supposed to be a high level encounter so he has a boat load of hp." Shadowrun tends to avoid this because most of your ability to tank comes from dodge or armor, which both make sense from a storytelling perspective.

My biggest concern would be bulk. A successful ranged attack in Shadowrun already consists of 3 separate rolls, and you want to add a fourth?

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>>54251272
>>54249855
The other thing you'll have to consider is armor. As it is, throwing on a +2 helmet, or forearm protection increases your overall tankiness. Obvious holes start to open up in this with hit locations.

>>54249668
The joke is that the CAS was the one that was pissed off about the NAN secession in the first place.

I honestly don't see the purpose in the NAN's existence beyond FASA's Amerindian boner. Corporations fucking love unified governments because that means there's only one pool of idiots to manipulate.

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>>54251321
>>54249855
All in all, I think the called shots from Run and Gun handle hit locations well enough.

>can't have a blood crystal penis which can cum spells
The real tragedy

>>54251221
Yeah, checked them out. No hovercars?

>>54251555
>no option to flourish in the groin
Why live?

>>54250915
>>54250833
I'd use my blood crystal arm to fist a pixie into Eiger's ass while she eats out Hestaby.

>>54251560
Are you kidding, omae? We were talking about hovertanks and these are military stuff sourcebooks. There are civilian hover vehicles in Arsenal and Core, if memory serves, not sure if they qualify as cars.

If you have mentor mask as an adept and use a power while fucking someone, is your mentor spirit fucking them or are you? Or is it a threesome then?

>>54251622
I think it's called Communion.

>>54251622
since you and the mentor spirit are in the same body you both are fucking the other person
but since technically your mentor spirit is in your body while normally he's outside it means that the spirit is also penetrating you
every time you use that power

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>>54251613
The discussion grew out of me asking for hover cars in Shadowrun. To which people responded by posting hovertanks.
I am not very familiar for 4E so I asked for source. Core contains an armored/armed hovercraft and a more traditional passenger/cargo hovercraft: GMC Beachcraft/Everglades.
Not the kind of Bladerunner cars I meant, but technically, yeah - hovercrafts

>>54251881
Thats flying cars
You are looking for flying cars
What you asked for was hovercars which exist and the technology to do so existed since the Euro Wars
What you did not ask was "Cars like the ones in Blade Runner" or "Flying Cars"
So kindly go fuck yourself
not really

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>>54251272
>A successful ranged attack in Shadowrun already consists of 3 separate rolls, and you want to add a fourth?

Well I do have a trick to that. I give each player two blue dice with white dots (since no one else has that color) that they use as the base of any dicepool.
The numbers on these two dice (aside from acting as completely dice, 5 & 6 are hits etc) gives the result on the hit location table.
Still a test though.

>>54251321
>The other thing you'll have to consider is armor.
Well of course no one could add hit locations without tweaking and reworking the armors, but I already have that covered. It also gives back some logic to very specific location armors as you mentioned, or armor in cyberlimbs.
>>54251272
>the boss is still walking towards you after getting hit with 3 critical hit arrows to the head
Bonus damage to the head (not that much) less damage to arms, dealing a DV of 8+ (4e Damage values) is a critical hit. Which can mean anything from whoops there goes your ear to bing bong coma. Inspired from Crit damages in Augmentations.

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>>54252095
Since I have looked at the relevant books and not found any hover cars either, it doesn't matter anyways.
So respectfully go suck a dick
by which I mean have a nice day

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I'm running a SR game for the first time and I thought about giving my players a small homebase in an abandoned warehouse. It would allow for some cool customization, roleplay and basebuilding.
Does that even make sense in the SR5 World or would it get stormed by mercenaries the second the players finish their first run?

>>54252250
Unless your players leave cards with "Hey, we live at [Location]! Come visit us!" everywhere they should be too unimportant to easily look that up

Later that might become a problem, but at that point they should have build it up with heavy security measures like sensors, traps and escape tunnels

>>54252229
>respectfully suck a dick

>keep good posture
>maintain eye contact, firm handshake
>bow as deep as a jap in front of his boss's boss
>proceed to suck while saluting

>>54252250
Sounds like a top notch idea in my opinion. Though I wouldn't call it abandoned. Make it in a pretty rundown area where rents are low and required info to rent is essentially non existant. Have your players pitch in a little bit for it (symbolic sum), and just remind them never to go there when they might be chased or traced.

>>54252250
Are they a gang or hobos? Then abandoned is fine. They might even be running the streets. Or are they just runners that rely on locals gangs/corrupt law enforcement to keep the area clean?
As long as you are keeping a low profile (i.e. no F8 astral barriers and R6 jammers) you probably won't attract much attention.

>>54250833
I'd go back in time and donate more to the kickstarter so that her dialogue trees are not so shit.

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>>54252159
Sounds like you've got a cute system figured out. Don't think it would fly with my players, but that's why it's homebrew. Good luck.

>>54252339
>Be some high ranking executive
>Every morning select some low key employee to come into your office
>Order them to suck your dick while you drink your coffee
>Have to show respect and be grateful for the opportunity or be fired and their SIN burned.
> "Thank you for this sir!" Says the ork cutie pie and mother of three with her month full of cum

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This is the ideal decker. You may not like it but this is what peak hacking looks like.

>>54253274
Commlink decker with Agent?

How does the whole "carjacker AI streetsam" thing work?
Are you just, like, all the time stealing vehicles and using them as dispoable weapons, projectiles, distractions, and whatnot?

Do you net drones and re-jigger them on the fly?

What is the action the AI has to take to do this? What stats does it rely upon?
How long would it take to commandeer two cars to ride astride, one leg on each, while I cross my arms and try to keep a straight face?

>>54252935
>promise cute middle managers promotions in return for letting you fuck them
>take their kids as interns and fuck them too
>make their spouses your low level assistants, fuck them too
Fun for the whole family

>>54253746
It's a Logic+Computer [Depth] (DR+Firewall, 1 combat turn) action taken after the AI is already running on the device.

So it requires a little hacking before. Assuming that both cars are owned by different people but the drone by the AI, then it's going to take a turn of setup per car. So you may want some kind of deck so that you don't need to emulate a good Sleaze to start all of this.

But with some good rolls, you can probably get the two cars in four turns off an average person.

>>54253746
Well first you have to be one annon that interprets
the rules wrong
Then chose a drone as your home node and as you increase your DEPTH you magically increase the physical attributes alongside it
Thats the street sam part
The car stealing is use your cheese to change ownership on vehicles you hack

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Question; How would I go about building a Mortal Kombat Ninja as a character in Shadowrun 4e?

Let's keep it simple and start with Sub Zero.

How could I do shit like his Ice Clone?

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>>54251583

>>54253929
imma just sort of recursive hide you.

>>54253746
You have to have a code of honor to be a streetsam

>>54254518
Run: Honor.exe
Bam, honor coded

>>54254518
I don't see how stealing interferes with that.

>>54253715
I mean more making hacking a fun part of gameplay without it taking forever and still feeling powerful.

>>54254536
It's one of /srg/'s finest memes.

>>54250126
There's a book called First Run for 3e that's Food Fight and a few other runs. Nobody seems to have played the others, though, so can't tell you about the quality.

I want a street sam AI with no code of honor to use 4e matrix rules to hack a pixie technomancer into shoving her blood crystal penis into Eiger, who is giving Hestaby a respectful blowjob, all funded by CGL's stolen funds!

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>>54254681

So is a Dryad Ancients member possible, or are they 'true' elves only?

>>54254681
And they're all wearing sleeping tiger suits.

>>54253893
that's how corporate world works, actually.
in for an inch - in for a mile.

>>54253893
I'd play a campaign like that. Can we include Hestaby?

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>>54251881
Actually yes, no hovercars.
More in line of hovertrucks.

Mig-67 and Cascade Scraacha (arsenal p112)
Banshee and Everglades that you mentioned from core.

Though you gotta understand, that everglades is an air-cushion shit that we already have, and others that I mentioned are vectored-thrust, which kinda means they ARE like in Blade Runner, just truck-sized.

Now, fuck you and your dog. Politely. Because in >>54250773 you asked for the source on hovertank, which I provided.

>>54255008
Me and my dog are gonna fuck you pal

>>54255289
I'm not your pal, buddy

>>54255304
I'm not your buddy, dogfucker

>>54255386
I'm not your dogfucker, wyrmfucker

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>>54249108
Damn, that guy has lived a hard life.

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>>54249816
>Also I've got a theory that a lot of people with Native american ancestry (Like couple of generations back or more) who were goblinized would seek themselves acceptance in NAN states rather than just trying to struggle in UCAS.

That's not a theory, that's canon. You never heard of the Cascade Orc tribe? The NAN runs on the 'just one drop' theory, so you had a lot of people who were about as First Nations as Kevin Costner, especially metas, filling out the paperwork and making new tribes.

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>>54255554
Guys

Guise

I've just thought

What if..
You see, "rmyr" is kinda not that far from "wyrm", and "Mount Shasta" kinda starts with "Shas"

So

What if

Srsly guys

What if

THE DEFFWOTCH.

WAS.

RUN.

BY.

HESTABY.

>>54255969
Chummer, what the fuck are you talking about?
What's this DEFFWOTCH and what does the Fanta Queen have to do with it/them?

Better lay off the Manashrooms, omae

>>54236810
>reasons not handled by mechanics such as the body rejecting cybernetics
Non-regenerative Infected have rules for this.

>>54256232
>Non-regenerative Infected have rules for this.
I'm pretty sure regenerative infected have it as well, just worse

>>54253929
>this retard is still around

>>54253746
You just use tue Cars as disposable getaway vehicles or sources for additional Income. Bring a drone is expensive. Read DT, AIs have this Special Action, to Change Ownership

>>54252159
You wouldn't happen to want to share these armour reworks here for those that want to give it a try?

>>54256396
Sure, but that's just a drawback to infection.

>The radical changes made to Infected individuals affects their bioware. Any bioware they possess drops a point of Rating; if it is Rating 1 or has no Rating, it is lost.

>Cyberware is not as severely affected, but there is a chance that any non-deltaware implants may be rejected. For each implant, the character must make a Body + Essence (rounded down) (3) Test. On failure, the character’s body attempts to reject the implant, causing inflammation and pain around the implant. This causes one box of Physical damage per day per rejected implant. The character must either have the implant removed or start a course of immuno-suppressant drugs. These drugs cost 100 nuyen a month and provide a –2 dice pool penalty to any Disease Resistance Tests.

This happens when you get infected in-game.

>>54256486
This information might dissapoint you, but it's 4e based.

>>54257038
>drawback to infection
How did I not say regeneration?

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>>54256030
you've got to read up on classics omae
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deffwotch

and pass me that haven lily joint, will ya?

>>54254592
Except it isn't a meme.

>>54255851

Ooo, that's good to know. Is the splat on Cascade Orc tribe from 3rd?

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>>54258093
They have no specific splat, afaik. They're one of the big tribes in the Salish-Sidhe, so anything on them. The old Findley books on the NAN (one had this picture on the cover) probably are the best bet.

The Cascade Orcs are basically a 'tribe' of refugees from the Night of Rage and earlier persecution that profit by not being hardcore Native supremacists, so they smuggle goods to and from Seattle, sell blankets and moccasins and shit to tourists, and operate mines that are less stringent than those of most tribes in the SSC.

All this pisses off the Cascade Crow, who are super-NANners and live next door.

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Oi, I need opinions on how foci are implemented. Is there anything you'd like to be able to do with them that you can't, weird stuff you've noticed, etc.

Specifically I'm looking at their karma costs right now, which are attached to hidden options. When you buy a focus, we do a lookup based on the name to determine if it's a focus and how much it should then cost to bind and such. Ideally I'd like to convert that system so that it's a bonus-type instead, which makes it more reliable but removes the ability to change binding costs and such on the fly, as you'd need to remove and re-add the gear object.

>>54255851
>that pic

Man, I'm getting Turok flashbacks

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>>54258675
Why are there no straight-up dinosaurs in SR? There's got to be enough parafauna DNA and genemods out there for someone to Jurassic Park this shit.

>>54258631
Having to re-add the object when you rebind is the kind of thing that happens once in a blue moon, but would be really annoying if it came up. What's this reliability boost about?

>>54260394

There probably are, CGL just doesn't want to risk getting sued/put in the work/paying freelancers to put in the work.

Nothing stopping you from making your own, and giving your runners a job to infiltrate a park full of dangerous paracritters to meet up with a disgruntled decker and take the handoff of embryos and paydata.

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>>54260394
My eventual goal for Chummer is to expose as much of the backing math as possible to the end user. You shouldn't need to roll your own version of Chummer if you decide you want to use SR3's stats, for example. Currently that's necessary because a lot of the core logic makes assumptions that it shouldn't. In the specific case I'm looking at, if you make a custom Focus and the name doesn't match up with one of the known focus types, it'll assume that the karma cost for binding it is 2 per rating. If I move the process of creating a focus into the improvement system, I can expose a lot of that logic to the user.
>Why are there no straight-up dinosaurs in SR?
There's old fluff about a cloning facility in Madagascar trying to bring back the dinosaurs, but nobody's done anything with it in forever.

>>54260394
>Why are there no straight-up dinosaurs in SR? There's got to be enough parafauna DNA and genemods out there for someone to Jurassic Park this shit.

You just know some corp is gonna splice them with metahuman DNA and make the Raptoids. Hopefully they at least also have the decency to make a pulse rifle and cerebral bore too.

>>54260492
>You shouldn't need to roll your own version of Chummer if you decide you want to use SR3's stats, for example.
You just use NSRCG instead.

>>54260757
Go home, McGurk

>>54248014
I dont see the connection. Why do hover cars match the ascetic of Shadowrun?

>>54261182
Because anon is confused and thinks that the personal freedom and the symbolism of flight somehow fit in with the dystopian aesthetic of Shadowrun.

They're cool, but only corps and the rich should have them.

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>>54260394
It's not hard to stat and you've got endless potential for runs related to it.

And remember, they spared no expenses. They just hired the wrong people.

>>54260800
I'm guessing that's the guy behind NSRCG.

On a related note, anybody got a copy of SRCG floating about, the one that handles 1e and 2e? runrig.tripod.com

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>>54260492
>Chilling innawoods outside Seattle.
>Hanging out with sammy-bro in my bunker, as we hunt both critters and rowdy natives during our down-time
>Whichever we fancy, really.
>Christy, our Fixer, gives us a ring.
>When I answer, I notice that she's attempting to stop herself from losing her shit.
>"Ya'll ain't ever gonna believe this."
>Go to the meeting with the Johnson and friend.
>Tall black dude dressed in a white suit with an accent so thick you can cut it.
>Other guy is an egghead.
>Informs us that he needs teams of experienced hunters for a per-head D.O.A. bounty.
>I get excited, and started asking questions
>Pirates? Nope.
>Communists? Nope.
>Ghouls? Nope.
>"You will hunt Cretaceous period predators."
>Extreme-confusion.sim
>Sammy-Bro starts laughing in disbelief.
>explains that they brought some dinosaurs back to life and an eco-terrorist group released them into the wild.
>Say no more.
>mfw
>Spend the next two months in Madagascar killing some of the biggest and strangest birds I've ever seen.

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Non-native here. I wonder, how do you pronounce 'omae'? When I start to think about it, I get something suspiciously close to 'homie' with a mute h.

>>54264479
https://forvo.com/word/omae/

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>>54264503
oh. japanese. right.
Thanks!

>>54261250
>>54261182
Because they are goofy retro-cyberpunk that doesn't make a whole lot of sense but looks kind of cool.

>>54262995
You can just imagine some nut job releasing a ship full of velociraptors into the barrens.
> "Be free my Beauties!" wipes tear from eye

>>54264576
a pack of raptors running around feasting on whatever they find, much like cows in India.

sounds like a good worshipping material for some nutjob eco cult.

>>54264607
You just one someone is going to mount a laser to them as well.

>>54264631
*know

>>54264631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84ELb_Zms4

>>54264631
Velociraptor biodrone sounds totally legit.

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>>54264576
Biologists. Not even once.

>>54239582

Because everyone shitposts as their neutral state, even the ones who give good advice when asked.

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So I heard that the American Ork character portrait from Hong Kong is based on some fa/tg/uy's tabletop character?

Can anyone on here explain?

>>54265408
Probably America-san from that one eternally reposted /tg/ circkejerk, excuse me, storytime

>>54265430
can someone please post it?

>>54265457
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Shadowrun+storytime+tg

>>54265492
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Shadowrun+storytime+tg

thanks anon.

>>54236793
The game being all retarded and arguing that getting your legs back ruins your soul, but installing a vagina doesn't because it fits with your inner self or some shit. (Which of course your legs don't)

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>>54265457
Shadowrun Storytime, in the OP for a consolidated and edited PDF.

>>54265430
No, you were right the first time.

Can you turn your blood crystal sword arm into a weapon focus?

Do the Thrown adept powers apply to the blood crystal shard attack?

If your blood crystal arm is a weapon focus, does that extend to the shards too?

>>54266004
Ni since it's already part of your aura.

Maybe, don't see why not.

See above, also i suspect that the shard's stop being in contact with your aura and are jsut pointy pieces of rock. Same reason why you can't use a throwing knive focus while throwing.

>>54266215
Something being part of your aura has no bearing on whether or not it becomes a focus. Scarification foci proved that.

>>54251473
That is some fine looking artwork.

If I take mentor spirit and sensei, can I make my mentor spirit a free spirit to be my sensei?

>>54266795
I'd say yeah, but ask your GM.

>>54265532
The reason it doesn't cost essence is because they explicitly do not cut you open, take your current gonads, put a vagina in and sew you up again

Instead you lie in a tank for a few months while you undergo a second puberty where your current gonads turn into a vagina

And yes, if CGL didn't have a hateboner for ware this might allow you to reduce essence cost for bioware entirely, instead putting you out of commission for a month or two and costing a fuckload of money

>>54237789
I wish there was a way of using stuff from HK in Dragonfall. Monofilament Whip is horrifyingly cool.

>>54241527
Decker, so you don't need to take Whatshername with you on almost every mission or miss out on a lot of cool things.

>>54241527
Face/Decker
Bring Gaichu, Racter, and Duncan for maximum #SQUAD

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>>54266607
By Elijah McNeal. He's got a ton of good shit on artstation.

>>54266939

Essence doen't make sense, nor will it ever. It's a barely concealed balance mechanic.

>>54264479
>>54264503
>>54264538
I would actually advise you try to "Americanize" it, kinda like how other Japanese loan words (Like Kawaii) got changed. So 'Omie' might be a good idea.

Plus "You" for friend is so, so dumb

>>54266939
Why stop at Bioware?
Let's shove a mage into a machine temple.

>>54266795
Mentor Spirits aren't free spirits (or if they are, they are entirely different from free spirits are currently understood).

I'd say no for that reason, and also for trying to combine two individuals into one. If you want multiple influences shaping your life, you better be prepared for those influences to not agree at every stage

>>54267837
>Plus "You" for friend is so, so dumb
What about (You) for friend?

>>54268245
No.

>>54268016
People can make contracts with free spirits that provide boons and drawbacks similar to those of mentor spirits.

>>54268475
Free spirits and mentor spirits share some similarities, though the scope is different; that does not make them one and the same.

>>54268475
Mentor Spirits are on a whole other level. They're implicitly, but not explicitly, the Passions from Earthdawn.

>>54268663
I'm learning Japanese, I know. 'Omae' is very rude, it's essentially one and the same as using "You" in English.

>>54267837
The point is that it's been borrowed from Japanese, usage and all.
In Japanese, pronouns in the way that English uses them are rare (because they're often excluded due to context), so what remains is the exclamatory and the vocative form.
It's also a familiarity marker, which is why it's used in that way - it's used to speak in a more friendly and/or hostile way.
Shadowrun's slang was made in an age where the "Japan takes over the world" scenario looked very real for a while, and the early editions have a lot of fluff on how Japanized the business landscape is (and of course all the really hand-wringing megacorps are Japanese, and somehow there's an Imperial Army despite everything history, culture and politics would say).
It would only make sense to mimic the Japanese pronunciation and usage when your parents work in a Japanese corporation that probably has its employees use Japanese honorifics in English because breaking protocol would cause Management to scream and die.

>>54268739
See
>>54268685
It just doesn't make sense. It was acceptable back in the 80s, but it's not the 80s anymore.

>>54265532

Okay imagine looking at your body from the front, standing straight up as a black silouette. Now imagine next to your body an exact copy of this silouette, except it's more transparent/colorful. That's your soul (or in essence, it's your essence).
So you got these two parts of you.

Now lets say someone blasts your leg of below the kneecap. The silouette of your body will be missing that bit, but your soul remains undamaged, its silouette will be unchanged. Your soul is basically enjoying a fresh breeze on your lower leg right now, like his pants just got torn below the knee.

Now you decide to get a cyber replacement for your leg, reasonable in a line of work where you get it shot off once in a while. So you fill in this cool metal looking bit on the silouette of your body, and your body wholeheartedly accepts it. Great!

But your soul isn't quite as enthusiastic. See to him, you're not mending it, you're replacing it. To your soul that's essentially like losing your shoe and trying to replace it with a cinderblock. And he can't comfortably fit his glowy colorful soul leg in this new mechanical monstrosity. If someone were to astrally perceive you now, that glowy silouette of your aura would be faded (if not completely gone) below your kneecap, replaced by your new cyber leg.

So while your body accepts it, your soul doesn't, and the result is a switcheroo;
Instead of your body being damaged and your soul being whole, you now have a whole body and a damaged soul.

A bit of a sloppy explanation, but that's the way I can make sense of it.

>>54266939
Wait, wait, bear with me here, but lets say you get some traumatic internal injury or something.
Instead of going the cyber route, could you abuse this to get your organs replaced naturally? How many times can this procedure be done? I mean I can understand "it's magic I don't gotta explain shit" but now I'm sort of curious.

>>54268757
Just because something is a product of its age doesn't mean it can't have value in the current age. It might still be partially relevant, it might be entertaining or it might be - wait for it - because it's a product of its age.
You see people playing fantasy games all the time, from hack-and-slash to complex roleplaying-heavy wanks, and yet no one is bashing them for not playing in the current day with current technology and ditto themes.
There are many reasons why people would want to play Shadowrun as the game it's written as instead of sperging about cyberpunk being dead.
Literary genres and stylistic movements don't always lose value with time, and I think classic cyberpunk is both a lot too relevant and a lot too influential to be classed as dead yet.
t. someone who writes long-winded post-ironic cyberpunk in a setting based on the modern world

Is Shadowrun Honk Kong and it's Extension any good?

>>54268863
>Shadowrun Honk Kong
I don't want to play that game.

In all seriousness, yes, the game is pretty good and you should play it.

>>54268863
The game itself is nice, the extention is... superfluous.

>>54268850

"abuse" isn't really the right word considering there are rules for just growing your organs in a vat and them having them transplanted into you.

Your body doesn't notice the difference. No essence lost.

>>54268863
Yes. The biggest complaint people have is the massive amount of dialogue, however it's almost all optional.

>>54236810
>the essence loss doesn't come from losing your legs, it comes from grafting something where there should be nothing
What about peg legs? are they fine since you dont cut skin to install them?

>>54268941
Aight. Wonder if works as an anagathic treatment...

>>54269027
Peg leg is covered by primitive limbs
Which I think cost no essence

>>54269041

If you haven't checked it out, go to the 4e Augmentation book, chapter in Genetech. Since you seem interested.

And yeah there's two treatments that is in the same lane as anagathic. Léonization resets your cell life to it's prime, basically regressing your age. The less hardcore one is Life Span Extension that slows down the aging process, giving you aproximately another 10 years.

They take months and a buttload of dosh though.

>>54269041
Doubtful. The thing is Shadowrun has the tech to treat aging by telomere-regeneration. They just don't do it.

>>54269106

How about you don't make stuff up.

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Hoi, chummers. I've got a bizarre character concept from one of my players, and I just wanted to put it up here just to begin to understand if it could even work to begin with.

Could you play a Falconine Shapeshifter with implanted weapons? The first issue seems to be that the augmentations would be lost if they were to ever shift out of avian form. The second issue is how they'd effectively communicate with their fellow runners. I know this was suggested as a joke, but I actually want to know if it could actually possibly work somehow.

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>>54268850
It's in the rules. You can get cloned body parts for 0 ess. It takes a long time, it's pretty expensive, and it's just identical to the original, no bioware.

>>54269126
I ain't making this shit up omae. It's just an issue of SR being written by liberal arts majors who wouldn't know hard science if it went in dry.

>>54269139
Put in a datajack and you can communicte via text, can't you?

>>54269156

You not having read the books about it doens't mean it doesn't exist. The fact that you're too lazy to actually look up your facts is no incentive for making stuff up without anything to back it up.

>>54269139
The third issue is deltaware only, iirc

>>54268852
My point is that Shadowrun is currently still caught in whether or not it wants to be 80s or "With the times". Given the addition of Earthdawn and nanite colonies as early as 3e, I'd argue that it does, and so you shouldn't shackle it in the era of the past, and thus continuously update it for modern times.

>>54269139
>shifter
>implants
everything but deltaware falls out when you shift

>>54269234
Which in turn completely and utterly ignores the original assumptions that the genre was built upon in favor of tacking shit on bit by bit, such as commlinks, wireless Matrix, social justice and memes.
A genre can evolve, yes. It requires an actual literary movement, though, and the Internet is too inclusive a place to have a debate between people who know what they're talking about.
There need to be works and enthusiasm in order to support a genre evolution, but CGL is simply tacking on more and more "modern" elements without considering the impact on the setting.
When you just start slamming on shit as it comes along to keep up with the times, of course the result is going to be a mess.
This applies to CGLrun and "vaporwave cyberpunk" alike - they're both hipster flashes in the pan made by people without actual academic experience or even any interest in neutrality, suitability for play or internal consistency (and, ironically, they're the ones that will become irrelevant the fastest by relying on menes and cheap political commentary instead of literary value to move copy).

>>54269201
Okay, at this point I have to ask what the fuck you're even on about.

>>54269439
I have no idea why you're trying to turn this into a 3eaboo circlejerk when I explicitly called out that yes, even FASArun was getting with the times as of 3e.

>>54269234
I'm with this guy, but more for technical reasons than anything to do with slang (I think most of the slang sounds stupid anyhow). Back when Shadowrun first came out it didn't quite predict how ubiquitous wireless communications would be, or that smartphones would have way more functionality than they could even imagine. Not to mention that you shouldn't really need to lug around a gigantic keyboard strapped to your back everywhere you go to hack into anything. etc.

>>54269587
>Not to mention that you shouldn't really need to lug around a gigantic keyboard strapped to your back everywhere you go to hack into anything. etc.
They did fix that in 5e. They're glorified tablets with a retro name.

>>54269482
Because cyberpunk at the time was too.
Read some Gibson or some Stephenson from around the time, or indeed go out and read some other current cyberpunk - the genre was still well and good around the time because there were still writers having actual interaction who spearheaded FASA putting it into their game.
Also, not even you can deny that FASA's writers were a lot more technically well-informed and better-read (not to mention not as shrill, underpaid and politically loud) than the people who're "updating" Shadowrun right now.

What music would characters in 2075 listen from our current period that would be considered classical of it's respective genre?

>>54269612
>Because cyberpunk at the time was too.
Cyberpunk -still is-.
>the genre was still well and good around the time because there were still writers having actual interaction who spearheaded FASA putting it into their game.
Or maybe it was that they just wanted to update Shadowrun.

>Also, not even you can deny that FASA's writers were a lot more technically well-informed and better-read (not to mention not as shrill, underpaid and politically loud) than the people who're "updating" Shadowrun right now.
I haven't seen anything from CGL that's nearly as embarrassing as the Tir books, not to mention that for all of the shrill tumblrisms it manages to be less leftist drek than the initial environmentalist pro-"noble savage" that comprised a good part of the original Shadowrun, so yes, I can and will contest that.

>>54269450

Revitalizing your cells to reverse aging is LITERALLY in the rulebooks. 4e Augmentations. You'd already have seen it posted if you didn't have selective reading.
No one namedrops telomere-regeneration, but maybe that's because the first paper on it was published in 2009, and augmentations is written in 2008.
But if that little bothers you, I honestly don't know what'll make you happy except whining about liberal arts majors on the internet.

>>54269696
Yeah, but that's not Leonization. Fixing your telomeres shouldn't cost you essence for the same reason replacing lost limbs and organs with cloned bits doesn't.

Perhaps the problem here is you? Do you have a degree in Liberal Arts? Did I trigger you?

>>54240108
>And because the enemy might as well attack your van.

That's why I have Chameleon Coating on my van. And failing that, a LMG/underslung grenade launcher mounted on a turret