How come tabletop isn't really popular with black people?

>>54223710
Because where would they get exposure to it from?

The kind of people who play TTRPGs are the same kind of people who play fighting games, but you can only do one, not both. Fighting games got most of the blank folks.

>>54223710
Because Yu-Gi-Oh was on TV, and Slayers weren't.

>>54223740
Prison?

>>54223710
I didn't know anyone that was into it back in the mid 90s when I was a laddie. So I just played lots of JRPGs by myself. End of blog.

>>54223791
Oh, but I did like Stratego and Risk a lot. Those were my favorite board games. By tabletop I automatically assumed D&D ttrpg type stuff.

>>54223710
How is Yu-Gi-Oh these days anyways? Last I checked in they added that dumb xyz gimmick.

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>>54223847
You haven't checked in a while.
The nerfed the XYZ gimmick.

There are these new guys called Link Monsters.
Fusion, Synchro, XYZ, and Link monsters only go in one slot.
Which is also exclusive to them. You can have 6 monsters.

Link Monsters let you put those guys in some number of normal slots.
The better Link Monsters let also buff your oppoenent's slots.

>How is Yu-Gi-Oh these days anyways?
Used to be:
T1P1: crap deck
T1P2: crap deck
T2P1: win

Now it's mostly:
T1P1: play half your hand
T1P2: play half your hand
T2P1: crap deck
T2P2: crap deck
T3P1: win

Which I guess is an improvement?
It's still solitaire and, as before, most decks play themselves.

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Every campaign I've been in has involved at least one, usually more black person. One of my longest-running players is a black chick.

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>>54223710
Sure, what the hell, I'll bite.

It's stereotypically full of fat-ish white dudes, and that isn't really a group I'd think most black people would be comfortable in.

I've never been in a group with one, but I have tried to get a couple of black friends into a session or two of D&D and they seemed pretty uncomfortable with the idea.

Then again, I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea in concept, at least most of the people I ask to play.

>In highschool
>Took an art class with a bunch of black kids. They only ever talked about sports
>One day we had a sub and he let us pick a movie to watch that day
>It had been a while since I'd seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it was in the pile to select from
>"Hey guys, let's watch this! It's hilarious."
>"Naw man, that looks old."
>Eventually talk them into it.
>They instantly love it
>Whole class is laughing our ass off at that shit
>Afterwards, learn that all of them were in to really similar stuff as me, but most of them felt like it wasn't cool to talk about
>Started a gaming group with them.

For the next two school years, we played twice a week after school. It was a group that was primarilly all black kids. The game was basically an action anime styled D&D campaign with high flying monks and wizards that through kai-blasts at one another.

Definitely one of the most fun groups I've played with in my 20 years of tabletop gaming.

>>54224273
Do you live in Nigeria or something?

>>54223710
There's not actually THAT many black people compared to everything else.

>>54224639
When I was in high school, it was literally physically dangerous for a black kid to be into tabletop stuff that wasn't Yugioh because it was "too white" and their families would beat them. We had one kid who was openly into it, until one Monday when he came in with a black eye, a dislocated shoulder, and none of his Magic cards or dice were ever seen again.

>>54223710
>woolie
>black

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>>54224753
IT IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL
PUT AWAY THOSE TRINKETS, FALSE IDOLS AND BLACK MAGIC VOODOO CARDS

>>54223750
>blank folks
It's a bunch of no-names?

>>54224787
Just replace devil and witchcraft with white and not gangster.

I don't talk to 'black folks' so I wouldn't know

>>54224758
Well, I mean, he's a thief, he killed that one guy, and likes white women, so...

>>54224829
Unless he comes from one of those ultra-religious black families.

>>54224753
Did that really happen, anon?

>>54224891
Yes, really. It sucked. Don't let anyone tell you that black people can't be racist.

>>54223710
Matt a shit
Pat a best

This is the objective truth

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>>54224946
Woolie is the highest among them, though. Let that be known
If I actually knew someone like Woolie I'd hang out with them whenever I could.

I consider the lack of jabbering sub human apes one of the best parts of gaming.

>>54225046
>jabbering sub human apes
you mean grognards?

>>54224931
"racism" as a concept is a white invention in a way. Hear me out because this isn't polposting.

Go anywhere in the world that isn't NA or Western Europe and just see how much racial discrimination there is. It's not KKK hateful racism, it's "this is just the way it is" matter of fact discrimination. The different cultures in southeast asia have had blood feuds for as long as written history. Russia is Russia. The middle east is in a never-ending religious war over who God's chosen people are. Africa is racially diverse and has enough different skin colors to fill a crayon box, and they have been enslaving each other for centuries.

The west is just abnormal compared to the rest of the world because they have turned anti-racism into an ideology into itself. There is nothing wrong with that in itself, but it's important to note that prejudice and fear are common responses in humans. And frankly, when the west tries to white knight, it can come across as condescending and paternal even to the people that would be affected.

>>54223710
Speak for yourself, I am one of many Nigerians in Simi Valley who play 40k and Warmahordes. We get together Thursdays to play IKRPG, and Saturday is Battletech night.

Too busy raping

>>54225046
You've clearly never been to an MTG tournament

>>54225101

There's absolutely nothing in Simi Valley, so I'm glad you have friends to play cool shit with

>>54224644
I'm similar to him except replace black chick with black Jamaican guy. I live in Missouri.

>>54225298
Libcuck with aids

>>54223710
Cuz KANGS dont play games

>>54224273
>Every
Your FLGS is in a ghetto.

This thread is bait. OP is trying to summon /pol/. Fuck off.

>>54224946
I don't watch a lot of TBFP these days and the main reason is Matt. Dude's an unfunny tool

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Black girls like roleplaying games in my experience. It's usually more about wish fulfillment and socializing.

Black guys prefer vidya, dice, strategy, or card games.

t. Jiggaboo

>>54223750
Related, why do so many black people play fighting games?

>>54225227
Where are you? We have a local GW like 8 minutes from my place and the Simi Valley library lets us play role-playing games.

>>54225473
I've seen women in TT

I've seen a half-black in TT

All the black women I've seen have been serious business middle class otherwise who don't have time for games otherwise.

Maybe it's just my area.

>>54225482
They either grew up around lots of siblings/cousins and had to share their games/consoles, or they didn't have a console period and had to hang out in the arcade to be able to play videogames

I'd say that black people are the most prevalent minority maybe equal to asians in terms of tabletop

My college's board game club was pretty diverse, most of the people were white but any given meeting with 20-30 people would have at least two asians, blacks, and Hispanics. And my school was like 80% white.
The gender ratio was about 12:1 though.

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>>54225012
Goddamn right. He just seems like he'd be a really cool dude to know

>>54225559
As in each of those groups would have at least two people represented at any given meeting

>>54225482
It's notable that fighting games have an inherently different concept from other games.

In WoW, you get a reward from spending X hours because the game gates content behind grinding.

In guiltyblue super turbo , the whole game is right there for you to have as long as you are willing to master it.

The average white guy finds spending five hours grinding for an achievement satisfying, but spending one hour to learn something for an achievement is "too hard." Blacks are less likely to buy into the cognitive dissonance that's required in order to feel a reward for playing something like that.

>>54225578
Too bad his PSA put all those young fan games devs in jail.

>>54224891
>>54224753
Let me second this notion. I've played many IRL games with darkies in my time. and today it isn't *nearly* as bad as when I was a kid BUT it was really bad back then.

Every black kid I knew who played DnD and Battletech made us swear never to tell their friends or family, and we always held on to their cards and miniatures for them.

Three separate times I can recall back in the 90s one of my black gaming buddies got the shit kicked out of them really bad (one was even a girl) when their other black friends found out.

It isn't white antagonizing keeping blacks out of gaming, its other black people who literally threaten their lives for participating.

>>54225559
Bro.
>>54225585
Bro.

Bro.

6-in-30 is 20%
Your club was 80% white

>>54225618
So representative of the university ad a whole, yes

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>>54223710

>How come tabletop isn't really popular with black people?

Who cares?

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i'm black but yes not many black people play tg. none of my black friends have ever shared the interest and none of my tg have shared the blackness

i'm not sure why but it's probably because of the last few hundred years of events that occurred

with all the unpleasantness and stuff

Not really sure. I've gamed with a few black dudes, though the two main ones who stuck around are basically the opposite of each other.

First was a fat retard That Guy who tried to molest any female NPC the party met, and would outright cheat if he thought I wasn't looking. It was middle school though, so everyone was kind of a retarded asshole.

Guy in my current group is a fucking saint. Like legit makes me feel kind of bad about my life. Getting his masters in physics, /fit/ as fuck, and just a really nice dude overall. Really likes Star Wars and any character he plays slowly mutates into a Jedi

>>54225633
Go reread >>54225559. They say their club was diverse, but that their school wasn't.

Don't want to turn this into a blog so I'll just say that from my experience, most of us get into anime or vidya instead. Both are easier to keep on the downlow and for some reason don't get judged for it that much compared to other nerd hobbies.

>>54225656
White suckers who've bought into collective guilt.

>>54223710
My anecdotes state that, in the 90s, black people were over-represented among WOD players.

>>54224636
Why would they be uncomfortable? Do they think whitey is going to get them?

>>54225670
I am both >>54225633 and >>54225559
I am saying that the board game club was as "diverse" as the college in general. I am not arguing that black people like board games more than white people do.

probably has something to do with nerd culture being seen as implicitly white and a lot of black people try to distance themselves from anything enjoyed by the white man.

>>54225682
My anecdotes state that, in the 90s, white goths were over-represented among WOD players. By a wiiiiiiide margin over the next highest demographic.

>>54225446
I used to watch it all the time but it seems like they all hate Pat.

>>54223710
Its funny because that black guy does play tabletop games, he did one with another black guy and two other guys on his personal channel.

I miss Liam

>>54225713
It was drama-club kids in my area. And the biggest WOD group, by far, was Werewolf, with a black ST and 3 black players.

>>54225738
drama club was also full of goth kids.

>>54225736
What happened to Liam?

>>54225608
>
Wait what?

Tabletop gaming has a white male terrorism problem.

>>54225785
(You) tried too hard.

>>54225785
see >>54225612

I'm fucking serious

>>54225298
?

The guy is an orthopaedist. He's been playing for years and does a lot of 40k as well. Politically pretty far from liberal too.

>>54223710
Doesn't Woolie quite like tabletop gaming?

>>54225867
i was telling >>54225785
to read my earlier post where i disagree with him. i was the one taking his bait.

>>54225736
Don't forget that the "another black guy" is a fucking WWE wrestler.

Liam a shit. I want an old fashion Woolie, Matt and Pat play a bad game LP.

>>54225680
this

>>54223710
Black person here. I used to roleplay online with a group of people from my fighting game forum ironically and my friend got me into GURPS back in the day.

I tried to do some stuff in real life with other people but I can never make it past walking into the comic shop because I never feel welcome. And this isn't just in my area, it happened pretty much wherever I go I always feel like eyes are looking at me. Then I had a group explicitly try and dissuade me from playing even after I rolled up the character. But I don't attribute that to any form of racism, I just think they were assholes.

Since I don't really interact with the community at large I Can't Tell You Why you don't see a lot of black people. But they are there and my gaming group in college was pretty much all black for the most part.

>>54223710
Low intelligence, unfortunately, leads to lack of imagination and abstraction.

>>54223710
niggers can't read

also, too busy fucking your women, OP

>>54225482
Arcades meant they could be exposed to fighting games at a far lower cost of entry than any other kind of game. Thus it's easier for people at lower socioeconomic classes to learn fighting games, eventually picking up a console once they can afford it.

>>54226039
Don't worry anon, just try hard at school and you can succeed even without imagination and abstraction skills.

>>54225781
here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwP6uuYOWo

>>54226124
kinda like how anime is also generally cheap.

>>54225612
>>54224753
I believe your cases, and there are likely more, but I think that some, if not many, black people who avoid tabletop games that aren't Chess or Checkers could simply be explained away as "I don't want to associated with physically unfit dorks, white or not, so I'm not going to try to invest myself in this hobby". There could be the threat of making themselves look vulnerable by association, but within that group it could simply be that they don't want to be judged as being weird and don't want to compromise their machismo.

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>>54225608
>woolie is a lich that feeds the prison god innocent souls to keep his own black ass out of it

>>54225482
competitive
good for hotseat stuff (arcade style, though that's obviously a thing of the past)

A single console, game and two controllers can entertain an entire group of people for an evening.

>>54226691
Black people have a higher rate of obesity than whites do in America, which is also where the cultural taboo is most prevalent.
It's the "white nerds" part, not the physically unfit part that gets them to stay out.

>>54226780
I should've specified. I was talking about the lanky and/or weak-looking, not the ones that look tough.

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Tablelords D&D fucking WHEN

>>54224946
Matt's got his moments and I've never actually gone "god shut the fuck up Matt". Woolie's pretty great, and Pat is best. An insane mix of wrong as fuck yet so completely on point about other shit.

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>>54223710
Aggressive social shaming which is almost always a prelude to violence. Also most fantasy/escapist pastimes are associated with being childish, if not outright seen as dangerous due to black superstition.

>>54226879
"YOU FORGOT THE SCUB?!"

I really want them to cover Legend of the Wulin

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>>54225687
>Do they think whitey is going to get them?
No, but given how hostile this community can be, and if you've been on this board for longer than a minute you've seen the /pol/tards posting, then you know why they'd be pensive.

There's a good reason certain people don't want to try this hobby, and it's because a portion of the hobbyists are fucking ghouls.

>>54226124
>>54225587
what is this pseudo bs. Fighting games are competitive and can be played head to head with consoles even today. Same reason fps's an sports games are popular

>>54227318
this in shades sadly, I've never told my black friends about my hobbies but my white and asian friends were almost supportive of it. They wouldn't have beaten me up or anything but i would have definitely gotten joked on

>>54227876
nonsense, we're a cuddly friendly bunch

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>>54227962
I've had a rough night anon, I needed that laugh.

Really though, you aren't wrong, a lot of the people in the hobby are fine people, I and everyone I game with are fairly supportive of whoever wants to play and we're pretty tolerant besides.

But there are those horror stories and the autistic faggots behind them, and I can see why someone who knows about it might be put off.

It's unfortunate and it isn't fair, but I get why a black dude might get to that conclusion.

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>>54227876
Many people don't want to try this hobby because a lot of it involves learning a bunch of shit and spending a ton of money.
Board games don't have that problem because there are multiple varieties of games and the games can be shared. Depending on your LGS you can find people who frequently congregate there to play board games.
TCGs and miniature games are complicated and expensive, which means a high investment. Being black or female means that on average you are less likely to find someone to play these games with than being a white guy, so it becomes even more of an investment.
If you want to get women and minorities into tabletop, find a gateway board game that is simple and fun, but skill based, and then work your way into more complicated games until they develop a strong passion. The passion will hopefully be strong enough so that the one or two unsavory individuals don't drive them off.

>>54227994
Maybe pic related will make things even better.
I've heard of maybe one story that involved someone being "That Guy" to someone for their ethnicity. Most of them are against women.

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>>54223710
I personally think it's due to stereotypes of fa/tg/uys and the hobby as a whole.

Not until rather recently, tabletop RPGs and other TTGs have been associated with awkward white nerds or if you're raised super religiously,
some people still think D&D is satanic to this day.

It's gonna take a lot more than Matt Mercer, an episode of Community, The Big Gang Bang Theory, etc. to change that. But at the same time, the barrier to entry is more difficult than people initially presume as well. People will watch an episode of Critical Role and be like "wow, if only I knew a DM" because they don't want to put forth the effort to run the game themselves.

One of my best roleplayers was a black dude, and one of my best strategists was a woman, but they both played D&D because they were huge nerds. If you aren't already a nerd than it's more difficult to sorta 'fall into' the game because your peers are less likely to try it because it's "a game for fat white nerds" and they'll make fun of you and ostracize you for liking it.

>>54225612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipg4EL_JUyE

Two main reasons.
Generally the shit you need is pricey and black people tend to be poorer.
Two it's not socially mainstream in the black community and black people absolutely shit on one another at any deviancy whatsoever.

>>54226066
This.

Whitey has D&D.

Niggers have the BBC.

>>54223710
Anime. Also probably driven off by the disgusting white dudes that sometimes share the table at the LGS.
Back when I played yugioh it was blacks and Asians and half of them were stylish college kids. When I look at other dnd campaigns it's half decent to alright folk, college kids, middle aged dudes, hot topic chicks, and another half are the neckbeardiest fuckers to walk the earth.

>>54223756
Actually RPGs are pretty popular in prison. There isn't a lot to do.

>>54223710
Spergs gonna sperg. The people who play RPGs are as uncomfortable and spergtastic around black people as they are around women.

Around tabletop Blacks, never roll lax.

>>54225482
Arcade cabinets used to be in laundromats, cheap restaurants, and grocery stores, so the barrier of entry was rock bottom. A lot of the time it was the only thing go do in the inner city if you were a nerd/didn't want to cross paths with the bangers on the basketball courts.

Now, there's heavy incentive for getting a console as your cheap multimedia machine, so dropping another 60 (or 30, if you play niche/upgrade) bucks on a game is a drop in the bucket. There's also playing poverty on PC, which is free.

Combine those two things with a lot of black kids being raised by the TV a lot due to various factors (parents work long hours/no after school stuff/bangers and dealers/etc), and you get a lot of black adults who love anime/sentai and fighting games. Black twenty somethings love DBZ and Sailor Moon so much because they were on WB after school. Black teens love Bleach/Naruto/One Piece because they were on Toonami and easily pirated online.

Finally, every /tg/ pursuit is expensive as fuck. Also, there are no FLGS in the hood. Zero. Which means you get your /tg/ stuff from a big box store, which means Magic or YGO/Pokémon, and YGO has better brand recognition due to the TV show.

t. black weeb fighting game head.

Speaking as someone who worked in a black neighborhood for a time, I think I can answer this question.

Blacks, and by extension, hispanics, are VERY superstitious, generally speaking. Anything involving magic, sorcery, witchcraft, divine intervention, or the occult just bugs them the fuck out and makes them do their trademarked "AWWWW HELL NAW."

Most of them come from very, and I mean VERY religious families, and their parents probably fell for the "D&D promotes Satanism" meme from the 80s.

On top of this, even if it's a kitchen sink setting you're playing in, the vast majority of tabletop fantasy RPG settings are based on European(Read: White) mythology and folklore. Knights, wizards, elves, vampires, dwarves, dragons, feudal lords, for the most part a white thing. Yeah dragons and vampires are found in multiple world cultures, but what's presented in monster manuals is based on the European depiction. It just doesn't click with black people.

It's not a bad thing that it's a najority white hobby, just how it naturally came to be, not like we're deliberately trying to exclude anyone. People from every walk of life are allowed to join.

>>54224855
Woolie killed somebody?

>>54225713
>Game about roleplaying vampires
>Overrepresented by goth kids

Color me fucking surprised.

>>54224855
Short haired white women. Theres a distinction, however slight.

>>54223710
Black guy here, I was an anomoly in that I found roleplaying more fun than sports. Never really had many other black friends and the few I did were just as nerdy and isolated from their parent's cultures as I was.

>>54225764
Omikron.

>>54229203
He wasn't even a part of it and it still killed him

>>54229234
Yup, almost did Matt in too but he fled on a boat.

Cyberpunk 2020 was made by a black guy

One of my black friends used to host a D&D podcast with another of his friends.

When we tried to get a campaign started at uni, him, another black friend, and his black girlfriend all played. They enjoyed it just fine.

>>54223710
Black people are way more into video games that's why.

>>54225084
Eh, dunno. I have family from Taiwan that were from the "wrong" subgroup of Sinitic peoples (basically sorted by when they got to Taiwan and which language they spoke) because a different group was in power. They agitated when they could and, sure, some just wanted to turn the tables but there was certainly a pro-equality movement back when "the white man" was just telling everyone to shut up and accept their place in society so that communism wouldn't sneak in.

These things are more universal than you see, to think.

>>54228570
popular in the military for similar reasons.

>>54225084
The difference between the other places and Western Europe was that the relationship was never even sided and were fundamentally not seen as actual people.

The other ingrained racism you are mentioning is something based around centuries of mutual hatred due to warfare and political, economic, idealogical conflicts. The racism basically boils down to hating the competition.

The west's racism was one sided slavery at very short period of time. That's why words like oppression gets thrown around so much in discussing western racism. It's all one sided from the Europeans to the rest of the world. Everyone freaks about the Euro slavery/genocides because it's just a one sided slaughter. Remember that US didn't turn for the Civil Rights movement until photos of police attacking protesters started circulating and no one felt comfortable allowing that kind of thing to happen.

Tabletop and roleplay is generally enjoyed by intelligent or high iq people.

>>54229380
Western European society was the only culture to question itself. Don't imply that racism isn't something long ingrained, and don't lie to me that other countries don't easily ignore suffering.

Because their average IQ and attention span is dismal. And I don't mean "Hurr hurr, tabletop players we are so smart I know right?", but the fact is that these type of games appeals to a certain kind of person, and they do require a cognitive investment many aren't interested and/or capable of putting in.

They don't "get it". On average, it's confusing and frustrating to them, and thus do not appeal to them.

>>54224753
And then everyone stood up in the bus and clapped.

>>54229541
Good idea using "generally" so that you didn't have to explain yourself being on /tg/

>>54224931
>black people can't be racist.
But anon, racism is power + prejudice, and blacks are the minority so they cannot have power by default, due to the normative power structures that privilege whites!
-t. marxist

>>54225084
>"racism" as a concept is a white invention in a way.
Jewish invention, actually.

>>54229070
Back when Woolie played American Football he apparently tackled a guy so hard he injured him (I think he put him in hospital, but I could be wrong). Matt and Pat have since fluffed it out to be that Woolie actually killed him and stole the guy's blooded jersey.

>>54229203
I thought Liam used a Behelit to trade himself for a Neir sequel that would be popular?

>>54225656
B-because.. diversity is our strength!

>>54224644
Florida, been playing tabletop in both SoFlo and the Panhandle.

>>54225420
I don't play at a FLGS, I play with friends.

Black guy here who regularly plays 40K, 40K RPG's, Pathfinder and GURPS

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>>54229662
People on /tg/ have friends?

Well, it's been a good thread, guys. Time to abandon ship.

>>54229380
>Everyone freaks about the Euro slavery/genocides because it's just a one sided slaughter
As opposed to pretty much all other slavery, such as the African slavery of different African groups, or the Arabic slave trade?

The "European slave trade" was almost entirely run by Jews and the Africans themselves, the first slaves in America were Irish, and the first African slaves in America were actually owned by an African, too. The overwhelmingly vast majority of farmers of European descent never ever owned slaves, but a majority of Jewish land-owners did, bought from Jewish slave traders, who in turn had bought into the pre-existing slave trade in Africa.

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>>54229693

Hooray, /pol/ is here

>>54229758

>jews have been heavily involved in literally every lucrative trade market throughout history
>except slavery

It's not fucking hard to understand m8.

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>>54226021
>it happened pretty much wherever I go I always feel like eyes are looking at me
interesting, I've heard other black people say this exact thing
I wonder if it's a paranoid delusion or if it's actually happening. Like, do your parents tell you that all white people are racist devils who hate you, and that's why you think we're all keeping a close eye on you, or is that actually happening?
I used to work as an asset protection guy at a Best Buy. Basically I would check people's receipts as they walked out the door to make sure they weren't stealing stuff. Fairly frequently black people would accuse me of racism for asking to see their receipts, even though I literally had to check every single receipt that went out the door.
How much of the racism perceived by black people is actually real, and how much is just imaginary?

>>54229380
>>54229693

The thing is that nobody gives a shit what the native fauna of Africa does whereas humans pulling them towards enlightenment was kind of a big deal.

>>54229872
About 50/50, which is the problem for a lot of black folks in America. They don't know if you're just being a dick, or being a dick because of their skin color.

>>54229916
That's how it was explained to me by a few friends once in highschool. You're brought up in an environment where you can see racists being racist with no consequence, and your family tells you to be careful because of those people, so when you grow up that sense is ingrained in you pretty heavily. It's pretty fuckin' unfortunate.

>>54224787
I like how playing dnd makes your face age like fifty years

>>54223710
>How come tabletop isn't really popular with black people?
>I mean there's yugioh and that's pretty much it.
>What gives?

Well I grew up in a black neighborhood around black gets and went to heavily black schools (city has 35%+ black population, so more than double the national percentage) and I think I can explain to you why this might be.

Table top is generally expensive. As an adult you might not think about dropping $20 on a player manual or a couple hundred on a War Hammer army, but even 20$ is a lot for a kid. And for the most part, and this goes for poor whites too most of the time, you can't actually have any nice things. If you have a really shitty family your family might take it to pawn it if they know (or think) it's worth money, or they might just destroy it. If you don't have a shitty family but you live around other poor kids then they will take it or destroy it. If you manage to hold onto it then for the most part none of the other kids are going to have it anyway.

Yu Gi Oh is relatively cheap and it's very easy to hide a deck of cards compared to table top miniatures, books etc.

>>54230270

I forgot to add:

If you have a good family, and you save up or scrounge the money for something good, then the non poor kids will shit all over you for having it too.

Not just the other poor kids.

Similar to how poor people get shit all over now for having anything better than rags, a cardboard box, and a fifteen year old Nokia.

>>54223710
I never met a black guy playing TTRPGs in person, but then again there aren't that many black guys in my country to begin with

>>54223710
Abstract thinking is a lot less spread among blacks
>inb4 pol
Many African languages lack words for most simple, abstract concepts

>>54223710
fantasy is european mediaeval thing, in spite of WOTC's 'muh diversity'. that makes a significant part of the hobby less attractive.

>>54225664
>muh centuries of oppression
none of which any of you have personally experienced, GTFO. you only get to claim trauma for stuff you have personally endured. at best, you also get to claim on behalf of other black people who told you about their struggles in person.

>>54225680
>>54225989
well, there is something in for them: they get to set themselves up as distinct as different (better) than muh evil white men.

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>>54224790
No, anon; blank folks.

>>54230653
holy shit is this real

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>>54223710
>How come tabletop isn't really popular with black people?
It's pretty popular

>>54229662
Your friends are in the ghetto.

80% of my group is black. You just live in the wrong place anon

>>54229046
The is no american black mythology. They are effectively white in that department

>>54230970
But there is definetely an american black culture, which tends to push back against anything portrayed as "white"

>>54223710
Math. Also because it doesn't play to their trait of being boistrous enthusiasic players to an audience because they tend to go over the top, and akward tone policing cunts that run games hate that, which sucks because they can build up the hype of a game.

My DM's mom took all his notes because she found them, saw all the tiefling related stuff and freaked out. So that's possibly a factor

>>54230653

spoopy

>>54223710
I never spoke to a black person IRL. I have seen maybe 20 of them live (not counting sports). I don't care.

>>54229872
It's hard to say. The issue many black people face in America, and why so many of them end up flocking towards fairly racist thought processes against white people and similar things, is that growing up, it is always impossible to tell when racism is a real thing.

You have to understand that for almost every black family, at least one person lived through the civil rights movement, where racism was alive, well, and almost universal, in some way or another. While many people moved past that, there are still many, many people who lived through terrible things and haven't let go of the feelings they felt then, and pass down their paranoia and racist beliefs to younger generations.

Until they really know someone, it's impossible to really tell whether they're racist, for a black person, and since every black child is told stories about how careless black people end up getting murdered or beaten due to racism, they end up being on guard whenever something that could be racist comes up.

When a white person says nigger, in any context, unless they actually know them well, the black person is automatically unsure if it's due to racism, or if it's nothing to be afraid of.

That's why black people are commonly seen as sensitive to strangers, while at the same time often letting their friends get away with saying blatantly racist shit, because they know it doesn't come from a dangerous or harmful place.

>>54230916
130% of my group is black. Step it up scrub.

>>54231142
Where do you live?

>>54231196
glorious communist slav yurop

>>54229872
>I wonder if it's a paranoid delusion or if it's actually happening
You can't tell because it very well could be that people look at you because of your skin color or status as a minority in that community (When it applies), or maybe just being a new face in the shop naturally elicits stares.

>>54230627
Thats good ol' virtue signaling.

>>54225587
>The average white guy finds spending five hours grinding for an achievement satisfying
Maybe if you have autism,spending 5 hours killing boar to get the "kill 1000000000 boars" achievement is just a waste of time that demand no actual skill and is something a bot can do so it's not like you need to make any intellectual effort.

>>54223710
Woolie is too busy killing people who eat breakfast and like funkopops then stealing their pies

>>54228939
I can kinda attest to that, it's similar to the PC gaming boom in South America. LAN places were common so if you wanted to play vidya you went there and played it with folks. Same goes for anime.

>>54225587
There are forms of skill outside of training muscle memory and memorizing combos, which is all that fighting games are. They're incredibly simplistic, and require no abstract thought or understanding.

>>54226153
Ooh that burn! oh man i love /tg/. answering /pol/posters with magna carta burns.

>>54229676
What army do you field and why is it necrons?

>>54228570
Imagine how glorious some of those campaigns must have been giving how imaginative some of those inmates can be and given the free time.

>>54229676
Is your gf white?

>>54229676
Why would you even play Pathfinder if you are clearly aware other systems exist?

>>54223710
>Woolie
>Black

pick one.

>>54231448
I'm willing to bet it also devolves into monstergirls and magical realms

>>54228570
Truth, had a friend who I worked with back when I was in fast food, he found out we played D&D, and was super excited. Apparently they weren't allowed to have dice at the prison he was in, so they used rock-paper-scissors with the GM to do rolls. He ended up being a great member of our group until I moved. I don't know if they still play with him back home.

>>54231479
That joke they made about Woolie's blackness last Noire episode was RAW.

>>54231609
Why would it? If I was an inmate playing, say, Pathfinder, I wouldn't want to be reminded that women exist.

>>54230818
Someone needs to shop the BLACKED.com logo on that pic

>>54231836
>stuck in prison
>the only thing you can do to distract yourself is play pathfinder
jesus, that would be a grim existence

>>54231881
Well it's better than being stuck playing 4e...

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>>54231397
This is really ignorant and I hope you'll take some time some day to see that there's more to fighting games than that. Muscle memory and learning combos are the starting point of most games. Once you get over that (admittedly rather steep, too steep perhaps) learning curve the games open up into incredibly deep games that I've seen best described as "rock paper scissors magic the gathering speed chess". At every interval you're given dozens of possible options (even not doing anything is an option) and must choose one. Some options yield great reward, some options yield less reward but are more reliable, others are safer if you've misunderstood opponent, and still others may manipulate the game in ways where "reward" is more difficult to quantify than a lowered health bar such as better position, frustrating the opponent, or even just consuming time to run the clock.

>>54231609
What would an inmate's magical realm even be about?

>>54232037
Oh please, you're making it sound so much more in-depth than it actually is. I played shit loads of street fighter and mortal kombat as a kid, it's just memorizing combos, training muscle memory, and guessing at what your opponent is likely to do next, which becomes obvious when you're playing someone else competent, since optimal combos emerge in the meta of every fighting game, so once you have that memorized, you can pretty easily guess what's about to happen most of the time.
I'd much rather play a game about large scale management and planning to develop a winning strategy, preferably if it's also mixed with some tactical elements.
I have a lot more respect for someone who can beat Hearts of Iron as Brazil than someone who read online which character has the strongest spammable combos in whatever shitty fighting game.

>>54224726

Yeah, we're really only like 10% of the US national population, and fuck knows Canadian. You move out of home and suddenly it just hits you in the face.

>if you're only hanging around 10 people or so paying games regularly, and you just kind of fell in together around a common entertainment interest
>statistics demand that YOU are your black friend

>>54232140
How does it feel being the "object" of this massive push, mostly by well-off white people living in mostly white places, to be included in more tabletop works and settings? Lots of people seemed to be quite upset with Wizards of the Coast doing things to Theros or Amonkhet in that regard.

>>54232037
Actually he's right.

Fighting games are one of the lower tier skill games because they only require tactical thinking, not strategical thinking.

Even Quake as Strategical thinking, and that's on the more "Muscular" end of competitive games.

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>>54232037
>black
>fanatical of fighting games
>likes shitty karate movies
Could you be any stereotypical?

>>54223710
What's a black person?

Is that some sort of Drow?

>>54232130
>>54232284
>>54232318
You're being pretty racist you guys

>>54232411
Why? I'm not saying black people can't play over competitive games.

I'm just saying Fighting Games lack alot of strategical thinking.

I mean most Multiplayer Games would require alot more skill and strategy than fighting games; It's simple fact.

>>54232282

2nd-hand noise, people known by people that aren't me said to give a shit about where other people steal their IP.

>I have faint memories of Mirage, anon.

>>54225664
>everything is because muh slavery

>>54225656
People who like to think about ideas and concepts.

>>54232284
reee quake is the apex of competitive gaming

>>54232472
Sort of.

Quake is the apex of Individual skill gaming, as unlike fighting games you have strategy beyond reacting to your opponent.

Weapon pickups in quake offer a resource you can deny for example.

But team based games automatically require more skill.

>>54232284
>quake
>competitive

>>54232528
Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's not the most competitively complex game.

I mean in reality, yeah, fighting games are pretty fucking low on the list.

>>54232573
super smash bros is a more complex and competitive game than quake

>>54232605
It's time to stop posting.

>>54232605
How?

I explained above, Fighting games lack Strategic planning.

>>54232620
I concur. Come back when have a clue about competitive games.

>>54232620
he's right tho. playing melee at the top levels is like being an olympic rocket scientist.

it's kind of retarded.

>>54232130
>I played shit loads of street fighter and mortal kombat as a kid, it's just memorizing combos, training muscle memory, and guessing at what your opponent is likely to do next, which becomes obvious when you're playing someone else competent, since optimal combos emerge in the meta of every fighting game, so once you have that memorized, you can pretty easily guess what's about to happen most of the time.
This statement could be warped to apply to card games or whatever flavor of game you are talking about. Roguelikes, Character build paths in RPG's, equipment optimization, etc. At some point in anything that relies on numbers there will be an optimal path to choose from. Even the top decks in any CCG are going to emerge and dominate the meta until the rules shift.

I don't care how you personally choose to enjoy fighting games, but don't try and just dismiss any of the decision making that goes on during a game as being meaningless just because it's not the long-term, turn based, strategic thinking you prefer.

>>54232605
>>54232620
Quake and Smash (Specifically Melee) are both essentially "solved" games though. It just took people longer for Smash to be solved than Quake and the result is the same. The same pool of players always win with the same loadouts/characters with no deviation in the last 5 or so years.

>>54232652
But it's still the same skills as any other fighting game.

And there is a quantative amount of set skills you need to master, the list for Quake is longer than the list for Smash.

>>54232657
Quake cannot be "Solved" because of Strategic play above the tactical play.

>>54232639
So? How does that make it less competitive?

>>54232691
Because it lacks an entire area of skill to learn and master?

>>54232284
Where do you get the idea fighting games have no strategy? It's like saying baseball has no movement.

>>54223710
They don't have enough money to play them

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I am Hispanic and have never felt unwanted in a gamestore or by the community at large.

The majority of sensitivity of minorities and tabletop trash is that minorities are very hateful of anything seen as "outside the norm". You know that thing people accuse white people of doing where they fear their child or friends are falling in with the wrong crowd and dilute their shared culture? Well, it's a thousand times stronger with minorities.

My family is OBSESSED with staying as Mexican as possible and it has actually caused a great deal of stress for me when I joined marching band (a very American cultural thing), hung out with only white people, started playing table top etc. My mother was very supportive but the surrounding family structure around it was not. Mexicans can only be Mexicans according to Mexicans. I can assume it's the same for African Americans.

Also the fucking eggshell walking and paranoia from left leaning types and other minorities is asinine. I don't care, minorities who are offended by the "offensive" aren't worth your time just like a guy getting offended by Nazi villains isn't worth your time. Treat them like humans.

Honestly, the most I've ever felt at home is at a gun range because the people there simply don't give a shit. They speak their mind about whatever, including racial politics, and they're honest. Their is this mask people brainwashed by the left wear that is completely offputting.

pic related, it's me when my gangbanging cousins would make fun of me for painting models.

>>54232699
i would argue that fighting games are more competitive. the physical and mental demands of playing quickly under stress eliminate a huge number of people from ever having a chance to compete. strategy games are purely a mental challenge. if you study long enough you can get good regardless of other weaknesses you might have.

>>54232834
Sorry if this was incoherent at parts, I'm fairly drunk as I work night shift and today is my last day of the work week.

>>54230818
Jesus fucking Christ this shit looks so fake. I feel genuinely upset whenever I see this photo.

>>54232680
>Quake cannot be "Solved" because of Strategic play above the tactical play.
You must not actually play or watch quake then. The level of Strategic thought required for Quake is not very high when you look at it. The important factors are item timers and respawn locations. Outside of that it does rely on the tactical thinking to figure out how to manage time between timers.

In the same respect that I know who the top 5 of any Melee tournament will be, I know who is going to win Quakecon every year no matter who shows up because only two people have for the last decade.

I think I am using "solved" wrong but essentially what I am trying to say is that no matter how much you try and prop up the strategic complexity of Quake over fighting games, in the end both Quake and one of the most played fighting games have had any illusion of complexity stripped away thanks to high level play. The same people win with the same characters or strategies every year because at their level there is really only a handful of ways to play. Even smaller in Quake because there is less stage variety to work with.

So while Fighting games may very well lean more towards Tactical thinking, that alone doesn't make them inferior to more strategy focused games like Quake. It just means your preference leans towards the Strategic side of gaming. But even those games have optimal strategies and limited options for less conventional playstyles to succeed I.E. any Card Game ever.

>>54232834
>You know that thing people accuse white people of doing where they fear their child or friends are falling in with the wrong crowd and dilute their shared culture? Well, it's a thousand times stronger with minorities.
this

society puts a lot of pressure on minorities and they contract as a means of defense.

>Their is this mask people brainwashed by the left wear that is completely offputting.

you see peoples sensitivity as weakness. that's just another defense mechanism dude. you're afraid to let your guard down.

>>54232874
Hiding intentions is very off-putting.

I don't see it as weak, I see it as disingenuous. I literally have people at the FLGS who want to hang out with me because I'm Hispanic and refer to me as their "Hispanic" friend and ask if the new Magic set may offend me (it has Central American themes if you don't know about it) and then get in their car with a Bernie sticker still on it.

I don't want to hang out with somebody who fronts like that. It's annoying and a little creepy. They literally have never been honest with me on any level, their sensitivity is not because they care about me but because I need to preserved like a butterfly or something. Like I have no agency. A great example of this is your comment where you literally spoke for another person. Shitskins are humans too.

>>54232441
i bet you mash buttons, scrub. at competitive levels fighting games are more like speed chess.

>>54224787
I've met people who seriously thought DnD was the work of Satan within the past year but I haven't met black people that get beat up for table-top yet

>>54232935
>I literally have people at the FLGS who want to hang out with me because I'm Hispanic and refer to me as their "Hispanic" friend and ask if the new Magic set may offend me
well that just sounds autistic. and there is always a lot of that bullshit at game stores.

>A great example of this is your comment where you literally spoke for another person.
i didn't speak for you. i was calling you out dude. just because you're afraid doesn't mean everybody else should be too. i don't live my life trying to prove shit to other people in my community. people can roll their eyes, i'm over here rolling dice, and it's way better than playing basketball.

>>54232842
So games that require both are hereby more skillful.

Aka Quake.

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>>54232065
Escapism

>>54232985
you don't get beat up. it's just that sometimes the other black kids won't hang out with you if you play d&d and sometimes the other d&d kids won't hang out with you if you're black. if you try and be both things sometimes you end up being a nothing.

>>54232938
>FGC faggot gets supremely butthurt when we logically lay out the options.

There is no Strategic element to fighting games, ergo, there is no fucking comparison to Chess at all.

>>54230618
>>54232452
>being this triggered

>>54232874
>society puts a lot of pressure on minorities and they contract as a means of defense.

No it fucking doesn't. Minorities are put on a pedestal and excused for acting worse than the "Majority"

>>54233033
Why are fighting games, anime and yugioh so diverse though? Not disagreeing with you just curious

>>54233065
Being a Weeb means you're not being "White". Which is the main issue most boonniggers get angry at black people for.

>>54233058
>pretending to be dumb to get replies
here's a (you)

>>54233034
>There is no Strategic element to fighting games,
This is pretty disingenuous. Strategy and fighting games with things like footsies and positioning, not to mention in a tournament setup you have to factor in the losers ability to change characters, certain fighting games offer different stages which changes matchups, and in some cases even another player swapping in.

Tactics and fighting games are the combos you'd be using once you arrive in your position. Or once you get put into a situation. And in that regard I do not deny that fighting games tend to be more inflexible with combo execution if you want optimal damage output. But even within that you have to think that combos have to leave you in a favorable set up so it might be better to end with a knock down rather than spend meter for a super or special move.

>>54233058
This is a very recent phenomenon. Even 10-15 years ago you wouldn't have hade the PC hordes jumping to defend every colored. Most of us did not grow up in this new sjw world

>>54233126
>Like footies and Positioning

Those are tactics, try again.

>>54233034
>what is footsies, frame advantage, cross-ups, counter picking, frame traps, zoning, etc

>>54233151
Tactics.

>>54233126
That and not to mention the choice of what normals to use, whether or not to spend meter, and what block chain to use, fighting games, especially anime fighters are redicoulusly complex

>>54233160
And they're still only fucking tactics.

>>54233170
Tactics are objectively more valuable and harder to implement than strategy because of a much smaller timeframe to implement them.

>>54233155
>Tactics
>an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end.

you have no argument other than "nuh uh"

>>54233144
Specific characters depending on match up have specific strategies they would prefer to employ, fighting games aren't just about choosing the best option in a given moment, you also have to consider the play style that you and your character work best with

>>54233190
>>54233198
>>54233190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactic_(method)

Fuck me, this is why people laugh at the FGC. Fighting games are tactically deep, Strategically shallow. You do not go into a fighting match with a 32-point plan on how to win; you go in with a shallow Meta idea and then follow a basic bitch tactical adjustment.

Fighting games are the reverse to Starcraft, which is Strategically complex but Tactically shallow, so much so the competitive scene tries to make Micro management sound like it's some amazing skill.

Shooters master both of them. This is a fact.

>>54233144
No those are most definitely parts of the strategy of fighting games. Unless you would like to elaborate why positioning his more tactical than strategic.

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>>54225084
I hear what you're saying, and it does seem to make a little sense, but just because it's accepted as fact in third world countries doesn't mean it's alright.

in your example of the middle east, it's commonplace to stone a woman in public. it may be normal for the savages, doesn't make it acceptable.

grats on not being a polposter.

>>54233065
the key term is "barriers to entry". something like magic the gathering or warhammer both have very high barriers to entry.

there are specific hurdles to entering these hobbies. with many hobbies money is obviously a big issue. minorities are and have always been much poorer than average in the united states. the player base for these games has always been predominately white as well, meaning that expose to these games is largely amongst white communities. additionally anybody looking to join these hobbies is going to see a large group of white people, and for some minorities this might not seem like a welcoming group.

>ALL OF THIS TO SAY:
anime (including yugioh) and video games are things that pull people in. you can enjoy them alone, in the comfort of your own home, and for relatively little investment I.E. low barrier to entry.

there is a reason why wotc has talked on multiple occasions about making a magic the gathering cartoon or movie. these things are a great way of grabbing kids and pulling them into a hobby.

>>54233231
It's not planned beforehand; it's done entirely within the match at the time.

Here let me explain it to you using the easiest game that uses both in the most extremely shallow way possible. League of Legends.

Strategy

>We are going to go for a Pushing team that focuses less on teamfights and more going for objectives.

Tactics

>Our team is going to start pushing now because we don't do well in teamfights.

>>54233272
Specific characters have preferred positioning depending on matchup though, if I'm playing a rush down character in guilty gear I generally want to be right in front of my opponent unless I'm playing against Potemkin in which case I want to be just outside the range of Potemkin buster, I know this before the game even begins

>>54233225
>Shooters master both of them. This is a fact.

you had me right up to here, anon

just fucking lol

>>54233248
>just because it's accepted as fact in third world countries doesn't mean it's alright.
this. the foundation of civilization is trying to become more than our base instincts. if you suggest that we give in to our natural tendencies you are basically pushing for barbarism.

>in your example of the middle east, it's commonplace to stone a woman in public
while not completely untrue this is a drastic oversimplification and exaggeration of the reality. it's not common and it's not ubiquitous.

>>54233333
>shooters
sorry i meant to say 'bubble bobble'

>>54233315
That's not exactly strategically deep though. Which is my point.

I'm not saying High end fighting games are not a good competition, I quite like them. But when we walk into a "What's more competitive" discussion you have to admit that you can measure this quite simply from the amount of quantative skills each genre of game requires for you to master.

>>54233333
Multiplayer Quake 3 Arena is objectively the highest level of competitive video games ever. It's got a massive amount of personal tactical skill alongside tons of strategic planning

At the end of the day though, people don't flock to the most competitive, they flock to the most amusing to play/watch WHILE it's competing.

Which is why we see games like LoL being popular.

>>54223750
I play both though.

>>54233315
Also important to note the concept of character counterpicking, which exists in fighting games and MOBAs

If you know who you're going up against, it's often a good idea to pick a character who has a good matchup against their preferred character, either to have an advantage in the game or to force them to pick a character they aren't as good with

>>54233272
>What are assist characters
>What are critical arts
>What are character changes during a set after losing a match
>What are ism-s and grooves
>What are matchups
>What are character combos in 2v2 and 3v3 a la Capcom versus games

>>54233225
>You do not go into a fighting match with a 32-point plan on how to win
But you do anon, you do if you want to win. Your plan needs to have far more than 32 points in fact. You have to consider general objectives such as moving your opponent backwards to the corner, depleting their meters or minimizing their opportunities for gain, and then once you're in your preferred position you need a game plan for which approaches you will use and an order for them so that they flow gracefully while minimizing your vulnerability, and then you have to have contingencies upon contingencies mastered over years because your opponent will also be implementing a plan. And then you need to come up with a different plan for round two because predictability is a massive vulnerability.

You certainly could play these games without that, but you can also play Quake by running around randomly and shooting everything you see. Just because you played them as a child and didn't explore the full depth that they offer doesn't mean that depth isn't there. It's like saying Chess is a simplistic with no strategy because you played as a kid and learned how to do a checkmate in four moves and concluded that's all there was to the game.

>>54233390
They're skills to learn in the game, but they're not fucking strategies.

>>54233272
>It's not planned beforehand
It is planned before hand, you know the roster and you HAVE to know your character matchups before the game starts otherwise you will lose to unknown abilities or strategies.

>Here let me explain it to you
So how is this not the case for fighting games?

Strategy
>I am going to play rushdown and attempt to use my character's disjointed hitboxes to apply safe pressure

Tactics
>My opponent is in a blockstring standing up, time for a high/low mixup.

>>54233428
Congratulations, you showed why Fighting games are strategically shallow.

Your strategy is literally

>Learn X character and it's strengths and weaknesses

Everything else is pure tactical ability.

>>54233364
>the game I play is the game for intellectually superior people. All the other game are for retarded pleb.
Sure anon, I bet you also got 240 IQ on an online test.

>>54233443
>Congratulations, you showed why Fighting games are strategically shallow
Seeing as you ignore any other Merit to what can contribute to the strategic of complexity of fighting games I'm not surprised you arrived at this conclusion. You will just keep dismissing every other point as "muh tactics"

>>54233455
Why do FGC people get so butthurt when they learn their game is more like Boxing and less like chess.

>>54233466
Because that's what they are. They're tactics and learning the game. There are no overly complex strategies in fighting games; it's not a bad thing.

It's only a bad thing because people get butthurt over it, because for some reason people want to think playing a fighting game makes you fucking Caesar or a Chess grand-master.

>>54233493
>There are no overly complex strategies in fighting games
We're not arguing overly complex strategies. We're trying to figure out what elements contribute to the strategic aspect of fighting games in general. Of which you seem to think now only one thing exists which is not the case.

I'm not trying to say that fighting games are more complicated on a strategic level than chess, but I find that your assertions that fighting games are strategically shallow experience to be equally disingenuous. And given how your propping up another game that is very low in terms of strategical content like quake I'm more than certain you're biased in this perspective and not approaching it from an objective standpoint.

>>54233411
>Assist characters are picked before the match, and change how you plan to win
>Critical arts are picked before the match, and change how you plan to win
>Character changes occur between matches and change how you plan to win
>ism-s and grooves are picked before the match and change how you plan to win
>Character combinations in 2v2 and 3v3 games are picked before the match and change how you plan to win
How do none of these things fall into the category you listed of "We're picking this type of LoL team comp which alters our overall strategy of how to play"?

>>54233468
Why do arena shooter people get so butthurt when they realize their game is solved?

>>54233564
Wait.

Are you trying to say Fighting games are not solved?

>>54233538
Simple.

How much of those Assists and whatever are actually changed up in the "metagame"

The answer is usually "not much"

>>54233582
Not universally. However certain fighting games have certainly reach that point much like Quake has.

>>54233614
The ignorance is just painful anon. Seriously. EVO is next weekend. Go watch for a couple hours. Watch any game you like that they are playing.

>>54233618
Are you kidding me?

ALL competitive games are solved. Apart from "Living" games where constant updates swing changes around.

It's why the same winners always fucking win in every fucking competitive game ever, with only a trickle of new talent rising up over the years.

>>54233651
It's literally the nature of competitive anything, even sports bro. The meta runs out most strategic ideas into easy bite size chunks.

It's the exact opposite in Starcraft, where all tactical choices have been so run down all that is left is how people execute their chosen strategy. You can pretty much play Starcraft 2 up to the max level purely by following a flowchart of build counters.

>>54233582
Quake III Arena and UT were released over a decade ago and have had people figure out all the minutia a long time ago. Meanwhile new types of fighting games come out all the time, from newbie friendly Fantasy Strike to complex ArcSys stuff like Guilty Gear Xrd REV 2, all of which are more different from each other than any arena shooter out there in terms of mechanics. The next great thing coming out in terms of arena shooter is Quake Champions, which may actually not be solved for a while because they have different characters this time. There are no updates to Quake III or UT, and as such there is never anything new to process. Meanwhile, even new entries in old Fighting games introduce new mechanics such as Street Fighter 5's v skills and Tekken 7's rage arts, changing the game and preventing it from becoming a solved game due to new features.

>>54233347
I would argue trying to go directly against our natural tendencies will always be doomed to failure. Control is a more reasonable goal

>>54233735
>Gimmicky skills that are just another timed button press make the game not solved.

It's more things like hitboxes and damage quantifiers that are the things that stop new fighting games from being "solved"

But they do get solved. extremely fast.

>>54233614
>Assists and whatever
>and whatever
And here we see the fact of the matter, that you don't know what you're talking about and act like you do because you played friendlies with your local community. Seriously, read up on what those things I listed actually do in terms of both strategy and meta, it'd surprise you.

Exposure and barriers to entry. I didn't even know /tg/ stuff was still an active thing until I noticed people posting 40k memes and Cultist-chan on some forums I browsed back when I was a freshman in high school. Eventually someone on the forums did an introductory Pathfinder session on Roll20, and I was hooked. Yeah, yeah I know Pathfinder.

Prior to that, my only real knowledge of D&D was via nerd stereotypes in movies and references in cartoons like Dexter's Lab.

Yu-Gi-Oh on the other hand had several seasons of shows, toys, video-games, and even a movie in Theater. So even if you didn't play you still recognized Yu-Gi-Oh stuff as relating to a card game.

At best, a young black lad will encounter tabletop stuff at a book store. Since that stuff is usually sequestered by the manga. Even then most stores don't have enough stuff to really play unless it's a set. Like I've seen Rise of the Runelords being sold in stores with no CRB in stock.
>Barriers of Entry
Playing something like Pathfinder, GURPS, Dark Heresy with people on the internet is basically free aside from time investment.

Traditional tabletop is a lot more costly you need
>books, this can range from like 50 to a hundred bucks depending on system
>models, terrain, etc depending on how fancy you want shit to get.
>A tabletop SCENE close by, because what good is this shit if you have no one to play it with?
Most blacks are gonna hit a snag here. Hence why card games seem to be the most popular among them. Just need a deck and a group of people who also have a deck. Cards are generally cheaper than books, figurines, and paints.

>>54233765
>SF5 V skills
>Choose the reliable small benefit over the unreliable large benefit
>Rage arts & Rage skills
>Choose whether to be safe on block or to go for big damage
Seriously, your ignorance is starting to show.

>>54233708
>ALL competitive games are solved. Apart from "Living" games where constant updates swing changes around.

Skullgirls hasn't received an update in several months since the game was finished and the most recent combo breaker tournament saw two solo team players making first and second place which has never been the case in any meta.

For the same reason that Smash Brothers tier list can change without the game receiving a single update across most of its iterations; the landscape of the meta will change as people begin to gain more familiarity with the mechanics. That's why I say fighting games are partially solved, because some fighting games are still at a point where players are still learning what can be done differently. Quake has not received a significant update in a long time and so it seems the same winners when for different reasons.

And if you pay attention to more recent fighting game tournaments you'll notice that a lot of the old heads are finally starting to not place as high as they used to. That's not true for a Smash Brothers Melee but is certainly true for games like Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, and Blazblue. Even in its short lifespan Skullgirls saw its previous top three now fighting for top 8 as some new blood has managed to come in and shift up the playing field.

What you were trying to do is say that an entire genre has been solved which is retarded in this case.

>>54233765
What do you mean by solved? As far as I can tell none of the games you mentioned have a known optimal set of moves, that and depending on the game the meta takes years to stagnate

>>54233778
>>54233803

Jesus christ.

Listen; I understand the FGC are extremely protective of their idea of competition ( so much so you actively try to push out games that are "Not" fighting games" ) but you have to understand that just adding more gimmicks and little abilities to memories are not an increase in strategic depth, they are just a few more bells and whistles to learn. It's not strategic depth, it's being strategically wide.

I've not been in the FGC in forever, but the best way I can explain this is the outcry and butthurt Lucario caused in the Smash Community, because his Aura powers made him hit harder on lower HP.

I mean I think we're just getting to the issue here, FGC people don't know what fucking strategy means.

>>54233804
But it has been solved. It's just new games keep coming out and thus rattle forward new openings for people to fill them.

>>54233614
Actually fairly much. Characters like captain commando, black heart, doctor doom are all assists first in many teams.

>>54233844
It's almost as if every game's win-or-lose choices are almost done in-game, hence both strategy and tactics got smashed together into a single term. The distinction is worthless in context of games because no planning outside of the game changes its' outcome.

You can lose a battle due to bad tactics but win a war because you cut off your enemy's supply lines. You can't win a game because you took away some guy's cheetos.

>>54233857
So you're just going to ignore my points about games with no updates that have changing Metas? This can only happen if the games are still only partially solved in the hands of players. It's just like how Captain Olimar went from being at the bottom of the tier list back in brawl to being topped here after a few years when people figured out what he was fully capable of. Fighting games take time to fully explore like any game and even then they would still only be classified as partially solved given that there are no single strategies that exist across every fighting game that will work 100% of the time.

You can't take an entire genre like this and say that for the same reason I can't take the entire genre of war games and say they are solved. But just so we're clear Quake is 100% solved.

>>54233537
Listen, faggot. I agree with you and disagree with the anon you're arguing with. But stop saying Disingenuous. You use it once a god damn post and it's making you sound like a tool.

It has fucking synonyms, for christ's sakes. Misconception, for one. Maybe Duplicitous if you think the other anon is being wrong on purpose because he's a tiny baby man who can't stand the idea that his precious game of choice might not be the end all be all of everything strategic. Just stop using the same god damn word over and over.

>>54233967
First time I've been called on word repetition in a while. I will pull out my thesaurus just for you.

>>54233967
That was surprising

>>54233803
>Rage arts & Rage skills
This is a Tekken thing right?

>>54232745
He's saying no strategy, a shit ton of tactics. Winning a battle is tactical, winning a war is strategy.

(That said, since Special Bars in Fighting games carry over across rounds in a match nowadays, they're quite a bit more strategic than they've ever been.)

>>54232871
seriously
>having fun
>40k

>>54231827
The three of them's entire friendship is buildt on backtalking eachother behind eachother backs and right in their faces.

>>54234319
Every strategy is just a tactic on a larger scale. Every tactic is just a strategy for a smaller scale. It makes classifying one as superior or more important futile since it could easily be classified as the other by zooming in or out. If you see fighting games as a ladder of matches it's all tactics. If you see individual rounds as a series of skirmishes it's 100% strategy.

>>54224946
Listening to Pat talk about Dark Souls is an exercise in frustration. How can one man be so wrong, so often?

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>>54225012
Woolie is ok, but Pat is best, I wish I could be bros with him.

>>54223710
Tabletop isn't popular with anyone.

>>54230618
>you only get to claim trauma for stuff you have personally endured.

This is absolutely retarded.

Past experiences very much do influence current culture. Look at fucking Poland. Their experiences being occupied by both Germany and then the Soviet Union has certainly influenced how they feel about, for example, immigration. Even Pollacks who weren't born until the fucking 80's.

>>54226039
Then why are all the managers at work white?

>>54232140
>Yeah, we're really only like 10% of the US national population

To be fair, black people tend to "congregate" together in the same residential areas and mostly in larger cities.

It's not impossible for someone born in rural America to never see a black person their entire childhood until they go to college out of state. It's also possible for black people to be over represented in population demographics, sometimes more than double even in small cities.

>>54232528
>Someone was born in 1998.

>>54235244
>how do I use greentext

>>54235256
>It looks like you know how to.

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>>54223710
Yu-Gi-Oh! has a long running anime, cute girls, fun and simple game play, low cost (cards that are 20 bucks on release, get reprinted 2-3 years later and then cost a dollar), and last but not least tons of fan service.

Meanwhile, Wizards of the Coast has been infested with SJW, that think black = diversity. This insane amount of pandering in the We Waz block shows that it wont bring black people to the game, maybe if a deck didn't cost 400+ dollars and had some banging tites, more black teens would like to play.

>>54234812
Pat is the sort of dude who would 100% murder you if he thought he could get away with it and it was of mild benefit to him.

>>54231827
I don't know if he's just playing it up for the LP, but it sounds like Woolie is getting legitimately bothered by some of the shit in Vice.

>>54232318
Kung POW! Enter The Fist was the best movie of its year.

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>>54235286
Serious question.

>>54230653
>That one chick looking back at them
I have no clue why that's so funny.

>>54225381
Presumptuous faggot loser that insists on seeing the worst in everything.

>>54231142
What fucking cave do you live in?

>>54236427
I believe the joke is that blacks are not people.

>>54231475
Because it's the best one there is on the market, to date. Plus it has really quality artwork

>>54230270
>>54230376
Roleplaying games are free. Just pirate the books. Niggas are shit with computers though

>>54236469
>great art
>100% Wayne Reynolds all day every day
I no longer want to live on this world.

>>54223710
Because the graphics aren't good enough

>>54233170
How does it feel to have so insubstantial of an argument that you have to resort to retardly 'Reeee'ing the same tired line in reponse to everthing?
Hey everybody else, we're in the right and we know it--so let's disregard this tool, spouting "tactics" at everything.

>>54230376
I mean look at 8 mile. You had a scene where a white guy mocks a black guy during a rap battle, but they side with the white guy because the black guy went to a private school, has a dweeby name and his parents are still together

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>>54233185
You are correct and the people you are arguing with are wrong.

>>54236455
That isn't really a joke though because there is no humour in that. So, yeah. Shitty sense of comedy.

>>54225656
>>54225680
>>54229623
literal plebians

>>54232466

partician

>>54235693
Pat has gone on record multiple times to say he would sell out humanity to robots/aliens in return for a jet pack

>>54228570
Yep. Got a friend who's an ex-con who is one of the best players I've gamed with. Totally into it, got into it while in prison. That, studying for his degree, and studying the Bible were his mental escapes.

>>54231448
Actually, from what I've been told is they're not terribly imaginative. The primary attraction facet for most of the players in jail was escapism, and that's not a high bar when your reality is incarceration. They also don't have a ton of pop culture access to draw on. Not saying there isn't some amazing living campaign in a prison somewhere, but their goals tend to be a bit different than, say, bored suburban kid's.

>>54231821
Yep. My experience is the same.

>>54232037
Fighting games are the trash tier of video games, which puts them firmly in the trash tier of gaming in general.

But if you want to argue the merits of vidya, >>>/vg/ where they can laugh at you for liking fighting games.

>>54236887
That was Woolie actually, Woolie the Race Traitor

>>54225012
Woolie drives me fucking nuts with how inarticulate he is. Or rather, how he switches into instant "condescension mode" whenever he is summing anything up and he usually does it wildly inaccurately. Last podcast he tried to argue Apples (as seen in Death Note openings but more literature in general) were symbolic of "redemption" as opposed to, say, the exact fucking opposite. He actually seems like he'd be quite frustrating to know and you hear it in Pat's voice sometimes.

>>54235693
Pat says that but is a huge softy at heart, which can be seen when he stream with his girlfriend Paige.

>>54235316
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mikelinnemann-05032017-amonkhet-art-review/

I remember all that bullshit talk about "color-ism" what's fucking next.